Mark Cuban on Running for Prez, Diddy Parties, & Destroying Big Pharma

do you want to be president no I just don't want to put my kiss through that [ __ ] you don't think Baron Trump and NYU is just mopping up strange that's what his form room sounds like just I'm just saying your kids are going to be good I hear you no but they don't want to have secret service around them all the time so bar may be K it right but there's some dude back there going I'm not saying KLA is the strongest leader so there's a lot of things I disagree with her on

but I think her heart's in the right place young entrepreneurs or business owners what advice would you give them to either scale or look for investors don't what do you think the general feeling of Americans is pissed off about everything because everything's a fight there's no facts we agree on how do we fix inflation inflation is fixed the problem is the prices that are already up are already up Donald Trump's going to put himself first you talk about what happened before every single thing he's done those 44 cabinet members who came out against him they

didn't say we disagreed they said he was unfit for office because he did [ __ ] for himself Luca or Dirk well what's up everybody Welcome to flagrant today we are joined by uh an incredibly illustrious guest I'm very excited I know the boys are very excited uh we got we got Big B billionaire Big B billionaire NBA champion created the internet okay created streaming created messages to go away created the baby oil at the Diddy party it's it's Mark Cuban okay Mark okay okay okay so first question is have you been to any ddy

parties we need to ask all our billionaire friends absolutely not EP alen no that was a no because I I didn't put if no absolutely not right so it's so funny when all that [ __ ] happened with Epstein like because I do email everything so I do everything via email right so I'm putting in Jeffrey Epstein Jeff Epstein and you respond to every email I respond to all of them but when he em no he didn't email me but some dude that was kind of sketchy said hey I got this guy I want to

introduce you to Jeffrey Epstein he does all this money management and stuff I'm like nah you know smart move thank God this he said I've got a 17-year-old Eastern European you'd be like is his name Luca oh yeah like I know dire you were going male or female or female they play with balls don't they yeah so but didd he did um I did do business with him in 2002 I think it was where um somebody that knew him connected him to me and said hey would you be interested in having him design a Mavs

Jersey I remember thee so I was like cool and and um you know he didn't do the actual work but we had the jersey and that was it but this is when we all love Diddy though everybody loved Diddy until like about two months ago yeah and like this is sha JN this is different different Sil Jersey something right um no those are it was Green it was like straight up green but it was they were badass um but I like made them twice so I so you're clean I'm I'm I'm clean right I I

never saw him on the like the illegal like baby oil Market or nothing illegal baby oil Market yeah nothing so here's the thing that like I'm so interested about you right is because I feel like and I don't know what it's like in your position but I feel like up until election time you are everybody's favorite bilon successful I don't want to say rag riches but like really self-made and you are smart enough to know that if you get political going half the country it goes you know what [ __ ] that guy yeah right

yeah for sure why put yourself through you you made all the money you did everything everybody is basically up until a few months ago I don't want to say everybody but a lot of people are like conservatives are like I like he's a businessman he's smart he'd be a good president Liberals are like he seems to care about people all his employees tend to be like [ __ ] Millionaires and [ __ ] like I think he I think he'd be a good president and then you go in on Trump and Elon why I mean

because I care what happens to this country you know I've known Donald Trump for 25 years and like if he were sitting here I'd cut it up with him I don't care right I wouldn't want to do business with him again but I don't have a problem with him as a guy but um like I know how he does business he did piss you off many years ago I watched I watched you on Letterman yeah well I like to [ __ ] with him right it's just like it's like Elon it's not like I have

anything personal against them but if somebody's at a certain level if they're going to [ __ ] with me cuz he would tweet at me do I'm going to [ __ ] with them right back right why would I not and so um and it's the same with Elon but like but the bigger picture is I just don't think he was a very good president then I don't think he'll be a very good president again and that's it in the nutshell like if he didn't run and like okay so backstory right like I did this

movie um shark NATO 3 yeah and I played the president in shark NATO 3 but they offered it to Donald Trump first and he couldn't schedule it if he had scheduled that the world would be a different place would be able to be Pres he wouldn't be doing all that [ __ ] right because we filmed it no we already we filmed it right around the same time that he was doing all the stuff to come down the stairs and everything and so who knows what would happened but um I just to me Character Matters

right the type of person they are and I know people he's ripped off I mean Trump University Trump Soho that that [ __ ] matters to me yeah and you know it's not just about policies it's about who the person is um and so again like if he was here and we were just shooting the [ __ ] telling stories yeah you know we'd cut it up but not as president and can you break down for some people who might not know Trump Soho maybe just one of the scandals yeah I mean so so so

like Trump Hotel can you let him do it I don't understand what you're yeah I don't even know what they changed it to right the Dominic yeah yeah and so I know I love that place and so he was he he lied about the value of condos in that building and people bottom and so he does that he does that right Trump University he said give me these thousands of dollars and come to do show up to these um not even classes but um seminars or whatever yeah yeah and you'll learn all about re real

estate and you'll meet Donald Trump well the Donald Trump you met was a big cutout they got to take pictures with right you know and so what's more valuable that or like a feminism major at Berkeley Barnard I might go for the Trump University there might be some information that we could learn from so to his point the real estate thing that seems like we are told that's just something rich people kind of do inflate the value can you explain why you have an issue with that why there might be a problem look like if

I have to if if I'm doing a deal I'm telling you the truth why what do I have to gain by lying you could be so much more wealthy dude it sucks you only with a few billion so ethical no that was back in the day it's more oh you got it okay Mark now okay y prove it give him 50 million I don't care [ __ ] that small okay you give me more F running you get you get it you ever want to do that though isn't that kind of funny like you ever

see like a guy on the street like pushing a stroller and you're like man you need to be a millionaire like yeah I so but do you ever do that you go like all I'm gonna give that a million dollars CH I I've done [ __ ] for people and like yeah there's like a couple of my guys that I grew up with or that I got to be close with that down or luck and like you would do it as the loan right just to set it up but um you know they pay me

back 100 bucks a month or whatever but yeah over a million dollars to some of them because those are my guys yeah wow yeah yeah so yeah you you didn't just give them the money you they still got to pay you back yeah I said you got to pay me back you don't get rich M you know what happens you know what happens just this one time right just this one time right cuz I think they're going to pay you back and then gets uncomfortable then it's like [ __ ] it no really 50 million

just this one time just one time ask just tip yeah I know you have been a okay all right so this is something I this is something I think I I I was caught up in narrative I think a lot of times when when you you're just looking at like headlines on internet you're just looking at Twitter right when things got political around the election especially with you you started going at like Trump and Elon my inter I'll be honest with you I was like did he become like some like Democratic operative like what cuz

I always knew you as the rebellious guy like disruptor you're like I'm you're the most fined owner in NBA history you come in you're going to do whatever you want it's going to end up working out you create these companies that disrupt you start streaming literally I don't even think people realize that I know until I research this and then I see you going after Trump and and Elon and I interpret it like uh I guess he kind of folded I guess hect OPP traditional billiona the exact opposite right you got a former president who

lies his ass off and talks [ __ ] right like someone said gangster right he's just going to do his thing then you got the richest [ __ ] in the world I mean what's more anti-establishment than [ __ ] with those two right that's interesting so when you're a billionaire the only other people you can be rebellious towards powerful or more Rich who else am I going to [ __ ] with right I'm not going to pick on because right what's the point of picking up people just to pick them oh you're just bored

no it's not that right it's the right thing I mean it's like on Trump I just don't think he's a good president yeah like if he didn't run for president I wouldn't [ __ ] with him I wouldn't care right now we did have this back and forth like on Twitter like I don't golf right I've golfed once in my entire life um it was customer Golf and I was like throwing clubs all the [ __ ] right I'm like that's a bad idea and so he like Tweet [ __ ] like I saw him

golf he see hits like a girl I'm like I don't [ __ ] golf right you know it just he does [ __ ] stuff and just lies his ass off and so it's just easy to [ __ ] with him and it's just fun to [ __ ] with him and the fact that he's running for president doesn't change any of that I mean that's just who he is he lies his ass off all the time do you want to be president no I'm dying for you to be president 2028 your kids are grown

let's do it what are we talking about never man question do you have too many skeletons in your closet to be no I just don't want to put my kids through that [ __ ] you know I just I mean they're 15 18 and 21 now and you see all the [ __ ] that people get years they'll yeah they're they're grown but you still don't want to put your kids through all that you don't think Baron Trump and NYU is just mopping up strange probing deal that's what his G room sounds like just going

to be I'm just saying your kids are going to be good I hear no but we had a family vote for real really there was four to one I was the one yeah wait they said yes and said no they said no okay so you you did have aspirations at one point I was curious right we had the conversation at the dinner table like they don't want to have secret service around them all the time and all that stuff right that's not a life you know they don't want to have to deal with you know

having somebody there all the time so bar may be getting it right but there's some dude back there going some got listen to Bar he's reporting back now he's still going [Laughter] [Music] K oh that's okay that's fair I do think that that is that is the selfless decision of course to look out for the plus like I I just wouldn't be good at that [ __ ] right just like all the ceremonial stuff you have to go through and just I I just that's just not me I just like [ __ ] it we're

doing it this when no you got to go through Congress you yeah it's just that's the thing where I feel it's difficult for business owners cuz it is a different skill totally different totally different now your goal is to kind her to eliminate bureaucracy and government is nothing but bureaucracy yeah I mean look you can say okay I'm going to cut back like elon's Done Right talks about and that's cool right I'm all for that but you still got to follow all the rules you can talk all you want about oh we're just going to

cut this and cut that but it don't work that way you know once you own a team though and then once you're in real estate aren't you like a politician like in order to get things done don't you have to do the schmoo a little don't you I never did that [ __ ] that's why I got fined all the time I didn't give a [ __ ] but what about from the city or when you're when you're trying to get a new Stadium built when you're trying to they they built it before and I

sold to a guy who will do it right that's one of the reason I sold most of the team because why did you sell it because I'm just not good at that [ __ ] to to to compete now with the new collective bargaining agreement you see all these teams building real estate and casinos and all these big real estate Empires I'm like that's not me I'm not into real estate like when it was Tech and media golden right that that's my that's my um competency yeah but to go build [ __ ] and put

up you know a billion dollars or two billion or have to borrow no man that's not me and that just doesn't fit me and then then going back to my kids like imagine you're 15 18 and 21 now and like in 10 years it's like okay do I have to take over the family business it's a lot of pressure it's a lot of pressure and you see different you know different teams where the kids just take over it don't always work out those kids aren't always real happy and then and particularly like when you're my

kid I mean you know what it's like right people know who you are and they know your kids and you know they just have certain expectations I want them to be themselves and do their own thing and it's not like if I don't do it I'm not going to have fun or do [ __ ] I like to do right I get to do more of it yeah yeah yeah that makes sense you said something interesting about like the teams are building like casinos is I didn't know that like I understood that that was part

of the idea behind the sale to who was it the yeah the yeah and they are they own the Sands yeah they run bleys and they own Sands I me they own sand run Sands corporations okay so but is that other teams are doing and this is just like a way to monetize the team in different yeah I mean you know you've got Boston who's building a whole real estate thing Sacramento did um San um golden state did so the idea is you buy the area you buy all the land around yeah you build all

the real estate up around it and you make more money off the real estate than you do off the team oh wow because McDonald's model with the yeah but what's interesting is you can really develop an area like any place where cuz you know there's going to be a ton of people going all the time so you put stuff all around you have restaurants around there you have bars around there that's okay and is that because is that just because they're trying to squeeze more money or is that because with the new CBA you have

to the owners have to pay out so much yeah it just costs more right there's there there's a new TV deal that'll pay a bunch of it right but in order to it's like an arms race right cuz there's always new technology there's always new stuff contracts are going up you don't know what's going to happen to ticket prices if something happens to Media right cuz media is all ups and up and down um so even with the new TV deal 10 years from now five years from now whatever things could be upside down and

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weeks let's get back to the show So to that point you got out of Y you made your money getting out of Yahoo before the bubble burst is that part of the B Al behind selling the team now the bubble no I promise you no done done s s no I mean how much higher can the TV money go that's like a question I have that's the there's that I'm sure this is a fabricated story but the uh was it JP Morgan or something um people have described it to a bunch of different people but

like the guy who was shining his shoes was telling him what stocks he was buying and then this was in like 1929 and he went back to the office he's like sell everything there's nobody left to buy right cuz the the shoe Shiner yeah that was like in 2000 that was my that was the thing right but no not now no no it's just like if I was 20 years younger it' be a different story because then I'd have time to learn and I didn't have the kids and all that stuff it's just you know

I want to spend time with my [ __ ] kids right they're at that age now where it's why I left Shark Tank because we choose Shark Tank in June and September and that's right when they're getting out of school and going back to school I you know two my kids birthdays are in September and so it's like I was missing that [ __ ] and so you know now it's just like leave us alone Dad we know we know my son 15 he goes I need to breathe Dad I need I need breathe you

know you know it's fascinating no matter how cool or Rich you are your kids are still going to be like D [ __ ] you Dad yeah so that's just like I you can't get that back you cannot get that back yeah the rection yeah it is yeah re what about the um yeah this is a random question but like how many of the deals on Shark Tank do you guys actually like end up going in business with probably for me for the first 12 years for me it was like 70% right wow so after

after they present you offer them whatever and they say yes then we do do diligence right so you get to go through to make sure that they're telling the truth right so like 30 40% give or take are full of [ __ ] ah right we don't have any debt you have 200,000 on your credit card it's credit card it's not real debt right just [ __ ] stuff it cost us you know it cost us a buck to make this widget then you go to look wait it cost you five bucks well if we

make a million of them because we think you know it's just [ __ ] you know and so they don't close for that reason but now the show's gotten so big people have like watched all the episodes and figured it all out so they figured the game out and so now they go in and say all the right things and then they don't even do the due diligence right they're like [ __ ] it I don't care you know I don't need the investment they're going on for the promo of it's an advertisement there's multiple

products I've looked up people didn't no none of you guys invested but that looks good I'm going to look that up for sure for sure is there anything that you made insane money on from Shark Tank yeah have you all heard of dude wipes yeah we had here yeah yeah dude wipes killed that was your biggest no have you heard of Beatbox beverages that's bigly yeah no it's big on college campuses and killing it right so I gave them a million dollars for 33% of the company and I've been deluded now but they just did

a fundraising at $200 million wow beatbox beverage I mean um dude wipes will do 150 million in Revenue this year I think I gave him 250 grand for 20% of the company and they're worth you know a couple hundred million now so no I'm good I'm straight now I haven't turned that into cash but yeah on a valuation basis I'm I'm good what what is the most money you've lost on something cuz everybody knows your success is i that's a great question um I think I lost like I had this company motion Loft and the

guy like stole money from it um and end up going to jail and I think I lost 15 mil on that too wow you put 15 mil cash yeah it was over a period of time yeah 15 and that's the most you've ever lost yeah pretty much yeah why am I like that's not that much compared to no but like I'm saying for for me someone's dying yeah right no but for you no it's it's a lot but that's probably the most no it's probably like I had one for eight million the ones where I've

really gotten killed somebody [ __ ] up bad some some stole there was corruption within the company yeah was there ever something where you because I think you've been good in terms of like there's two um time periods of tech I feel maybe there's multiple and I'm not being hon enough but there's the initial one right which you cashed in on right before the bubble the internet and then there is the app yeah then internet apps um AI oh Ai and AI is the third yeah your first wave mhm are you and your other cohorts

that are first wave do you look at these next people as like the young Rugrats trying to make it is that do they see you as like the ogs or is there the time yeah no you know but to me that's motivation so if you know the businesses I'm in is like like cplus drugs.com whatever I'm like okay used to be the young dude walking in the room now I'm the old dude walking in the room I'm going to prove to you I'm going to kick your ass is there anything about this young group of

Silicon Valley people that you're frustrated with there was a guy on shank I forget name I never really cared about Silicon Valley right you know a lot of [ __ ] got done there don't get me wrong but like that was never where I like to work to me you know the tech Bros and everything they had their own drill I like you know silicon alley right that here in New York that was better um what was going on in Dallas was better Chicago I just cuz there's normal people you know the people in the

valley just have this you know like we're the [ __ ] you know like we're you didn't need the developers you didn't need the brains no no there's plenty of brains elsewhere and it was cheaper and easier and better like we did you know cost every company I've done has been out of Dallas really this is the pharmaceutical one from broadcast. broadcast.com to hdnet to you know Cost Plus drugs.com you name the Cost Plus drugs thing is interesting cuz like you'd figure that like they you would have been like suicided by now for trying to

go at the pharmaceutical companies why is that not happen don't give them idea list you don't think really high profile right I'm not some dude that just hid in they kill you then it's obvious yeah everybody knows what's going on on right you know and they'll talk [ __ ] about me and that's cool but you know if a company that does hundred billion dollar in sales is talking about me and my little company that just started two years ago basically yeah you know you're [ __ ] with them and and you know they're [

__ ] up and that's what's been happening so what's the idea of the company so it's really simple so if if you ever got a prescription right the doctor says okay you need x m what pharmacy do you use they don't say can you afford it here's the cost no nothing right you find out at the pharmacy you find out at the pharmacy or your insurance company or whoever pays um your co-pay or whatever and so we said look that's an in it's it's an opeg Market there's no transparency whatsoever and because of that people

get ripped off patients get ripped off insurance companies rip off companies I mean it's just really [ __ ] up so we said okay we're g to create this website costus drugs.com you go in there and you put in the name of the drug toil aill right um and I wanted to see if you guys I know that out there so now I know what we're talking about wait which one is the one that it pops up whenever that s s ail no slil Selena right one is the boner like whenever you need it and

the other is boner now one is Calis and one is Viagra yes which one is seis seis is tadil tadil right and the that's your thing cuz you don't know when you're going to [ __ ] but you want let me just tell you this right let me just tell you this if you want if you go to cplus drugs.com cplus drugs.com y um and you put in toilla fill right Tad whatever and it comes up you does come up doesn't you can get 90 of them 90 of them for about $99.90 wow 10 C

a bonus less than M&M's right that is crazy crazy crazy so you I mean so you have a choice you could put a little jar of M&M's next to your bed or you can put a little jar of wow toilla fil yeah sleno whatever it is next to your bed too right yeah the dud abides yes seems like a Nob brain this is I guess you can only do this with drugs that are uh what is it called when they're now in the open market when generics generics you we've got a bunch of generics we've

got Brands too but more generics right but we can get the price really low on the gener because drugs have like a time yeah you get them for 20 years and there's okay and that 20 years includes all the research too right right yeah so you research and develop the drug maybe you have like a fiveyear window where you can really make your money and then after that it generics pop up opens up right so it goes from 40 bucks a pill down to 10 cents a pill or whatever now wow yeah and so clean

up when windows up for sure for sure for sure but even like we have like 10% of the market we've only been shipping for 2 and a half years and for the boner bill is massive I feel I feel like it's not as big as this should be oh no because that's why I'm out there talking about cuz remember we've only been around 2 and a/2 years and you get hymns and all that stuff promoting but they're just's expensive compared to ours so you just go to the doctor and you say send the prescription to

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got take CID croid for a thyroid okay you got talk about that on wait what else are you on you got to be on some longevity [ __ ] you're always billionaires want to live forever man there's no longevity things you do cap come on [ __ ] so like I take the Synthroid and I take a baby aspirin in the morning drink some water with it yeah you know when you get up to pee that's when I take it and then we didn't e all that and then you know I try to go work

out and so I take this um cardio Fitness class right and then you know I'll drink um this element that's got some sodium in it and I put a little honey in that and that gives you know so you're not on the peptides you're not doing any of this good stuff that all these I saw some studies that said they worked what about AA that guy uh yeah I subscribed to his stuff and he like but at the end of the day he just busts his ass and works out a lot and watches what he

eats and you know so like I use this app called My Fitness Pal so I write down everything I eat you know so I had um some caramel popcorn cuz I was starving on the way open and so I say 120 calories caramel popcorn put it in there so as long as I just like watch what I eat and just work out then I'm cool H yeah you work out a lot though right like an hour a day yeah I try to get my hour in damn man I thought you were going to have like

some cool I wish I did [ __ ] I did like I tried like I've tried creatine but then I look like a Pillsbury Doughboy because oh really change your head yeah because you just hold water right and then you just get bigger I get stronger right but you just blows up like everything blows up and so I was just what else have I tried you on a test what about test yeah what about testosterone no no no like I would do HGH if there was something that said it was legal and it worked but

I would do that [ __ ] in a heartbe heartbeat heart cuz it seems like really good when you look at the fighters that use it at the Mavs I need 13 I'd be 59 at least I think be 59 at least no I need it now more than ever he he really did they put him on that yeah yeah yeah they created like a super athlete yeah right is that why you got the Euros cuz you can start pumping them full of it shoot them up dude oh here's a here's a good one you

guys could have got and there's so many of these kudas with the NBA teams but you could have got young don't bring that up don't bring that is that a hard one yeah yes and no right so um this was 2013 I think when he came out was it 12 or 13 2012 or 13 okay yeah okay so and you had the what what pick was it you had no we had like number 13 like right outside the lottery but we also had cap room and we had Dirk and Dirk was 34 give or tape

and we're like okay this is like Dirk's end end games right Y and so I wanted to try to get a free agent so that we could cook you know we one more shot yeah yeah at least right and so I remember like looking at the tapes of Giannis and all we had were two VHS tapes of him playing in the shitty Little Greek League yeah you know he got drafted what 13 14 15 but the GM at the time was high on him right no very yeah very much so um but Carla was a

Virginia boy so he liked Lin and there was something no it wasn't even that it was a Shane was cool um and we all liked him but we just traded down just to save money for cap room yeah last it to that pick they Pi yeah we would have picked him I thought I thought JIS went 15 well they had 13 traded back to save money and so there's 14 other teams that passed on them too of course but they're not sitting right here yeah that's true you know what I mean but I mean listen

you guys did you got did okay it turned out all right but if we had got Yiannis we wouldn't have gotten Luca Luca's now younger the okay let's rile up uh MBA Twitter Luca or Dirk well Luca's a better player yeah damn like his rookie year Derk is like this kid's better than I'll ever be Dirk is amazing he's the all-time best MAV yeah just because we've won a championship with him and who he is and what he did for the organization but Luca can bring the ball up Dirk you needed to get him the

ball yeah you know and then he could go and do what he needed to do yeah with Luca you just inbound the ball to him and he just does the rest he's insane yeah he is insane but if you had to pick one I like if I had to start a team I'd start it with Luka my second pick would be Dirk of course but yeah damn yeah yeah and I've said that to Dirk what does he say he punched me I mean y Derk is just DK is a badass dude dude he is such

a good guy such a good guy but I am one and0 against him in one-on-one wait how did you beat him in one-on-one contract year no it was at my first year when I first bought the scene you popped a couple till dance to the wall post up on this okay um no literally so we were like I just bought the team and I was out there shooting with the guys and um I was like let's play one-onone and so I get the ball out first and he's not really guarding me but he's just you

know and like hit a jumper boom okay and you like fake layup next one blocks the [ __ ] out of it his ball I'm up 20 yeah Goes By Me bam on my head I'm like I quit so 21 I win okay I have a can ask you so many uh questions about basketball I remember being in Dallas when you bought the team we didn't really know who you were this billionaire is buying the team there weren't that many billionaires back then and the Mavs were historically bad in the '90s as soon as you

buy them within a month they almost made the playoffs next year they made the playoffs made the playoffs what 12 15 straight years whatever it was did you do anything right when you got there what was it about your arrival I just walked in the door and I said shit's going to change you know we're going to try to win or you're gone if you're not into just working your ass off and winning you're not going to stick around so tell me now and um and I upgraded stuff like I remember all this the first

the first meeting I have with the team there's a guy on the team um named Gary Trent and Gary Trent Jr is his son and um he goes Mark we go to places like Oakland California we get there 2 in the morning and we stay at these shitty hotels that don't have room service so now we're walking through Oakland California looking for a 7-Eleven to get something to eat I'm like no that that's not right so we upgraded the Four Seasons upgraded the plane did all this [ __ ] I we upgraded the locker room

lock room yeah and so it was okay I'm doing my part so you guys better step up yeah and so we brought in like train um coaches um Player Development coaches like back then there were four coaches there was a head coach few assistant coaches and when the guys wanted to work on their skills you brought in one of the assistant coaches and I'm like this is ridiculous we literally spent more money on training on PCS than we did for play development so I'm like I told our coach Nelly I'm like go find some former

Mavs get 15 of them one for everybody and literally that's what we did and so now every team has got Player Development coaches out the ass and that was all because back then we suck so bad and I had to send the message we're going to play to win speaking of the NBA obviously you know this NBA season Nick's guaranteed guaranteed to win a championship uh with the new addition big purr now you actually look good yeah I think it's a good tra I'm saying good good shout out A-Rod still working for us yeah yeah

yeah once a Yankee always a Yankee so A-Rod owns the Timberwolves Timberwolves and he made sure that trade went through I know you know I mean shout out to Timberwolves for being broke we appreciate y'all you know for not having enough money to keep your players and uh no we got a nice little situation going you do you do I hate to admit it I like it I like it a lot anyway um if you're gambling obviously you're going to do it with steak steak is steak has got your back they are the sponsor of

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what are you thinking what are you thinking this season are we going to are we just going to go with who's going to win the NBA championship right now okay I'm down for that okay what would you say the Celtics still look [ __ ] good but the team that's Best Built to beat them is probably the Knicks I don't if theck could win at all I don't think the Celtics could win with um uh what's it called Jaylen Brown's new sneakers like he started his own sneaker company oh yeah that's never is never a

good move it's never a winning move yeah and you know shout out to Jaylen Brown he incredibly talented player I I think y' can make it out of the East very easily yeah I think we're definitely making out of the East Chris Middleton is hurt so the Bucks are done yeah I wasn't even worried about the Bucks in the first place Boston that's the only real threat Miami you can't start your own sneaker company it's never it's can we gamble on that how do we gamble on that if the sneaker company sne going to blow

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political events use the promo code flagrant for your welcome bonus now we got to get back to the show is there like ever a PR machine behind what you do or do you just try to make make the splash as big as possible and then the right because like because like back then particularly there was just bunch of old [ __ ] that own teams you know they inherited them or want them in a poker game and anytime I spent money they would be pissed at me I remember one time I was in a board

of Governor's meeting and the owner of one of the teams I won't I won't name drop guess yeah yeah he's dead now but um yeah that's um we want to hear about that com correct but anyway this guy said you let them take pictures with your wife Shelly um no um but anyways this dude says to me you [ __ ] sit down and shut the [ __ ] up we're sick of hearing about you until you do something in the NBA just sit down and shut the [ __ ] up and then I'm like

okay Abe his name wasn't Abe I got the name wrong but you know um yeah so I mean they just [ __ ] with me the whole time but Dave Stern to his credit even though he would find me all the time it was okay you're helping the league you're doing stuff you're getting things rolling I was kind of like The Tech Guy you were very much a disruptor oh for sure I just didn't care I just wanted to do what I thought was right like now yeah Democratic shill dude I knew it I'm not

even a Democrat I don't know why people say that [ __ ] yeah boy talk that no who would you so I heard you say this I think I I like to think I'm independent I believe you're truly independent you said if there was a non-m republican in 2020 you would have voted for who do you see on that side that you're like I would like for to beid um I like Nikki Haley I voted for her in the primary um I like Chris Christie um because he talks [ __ ] and doesn't give a

[ __ ] um I wasn't into D santis and I know vivec now but I think he's great yeah I think he's just a trump with a better vocabulary um he's got a great vocabul he's got a great vocabul he really hates bureaucracy he's very smart yeah and uh what I what I appreciate about Vic is that he knows what he's suggesting is radical and he's like that this is a government of the people and we deserve the put ourselves so like I did a podcast with him and went back and forth and when he

suggests it it's one thing to suggest it but it's not problem solving you can say I'm going to cut out the Department of Education yeah that sounds really good well we didn't have a Department of Education in 1817 and you know it wasn't meant to be this big but we are where we are yeah know and if you're going to fix something if you want a better you have to be able to go from where you are to where you want to get to and so if you want to change education where you are okay

let's talk about how you're going to get there you want to cut the size of government great I want to cut the size of government and make it more efficient let's talk about AI as a service how can we use AI to speed up um different functions that the government does now so it's not just a bunch of people sitting at desk there's a million ways to do it and that's a [ __ ] I can talk to the Harris campaign about when I talk to you know VC or whoever Republicans they're not talking about

that [ __ ] so I can you explain to just a regular person like myself when when people talk about how bloated government is how does that happen and then what would you do to you know contract it so it's a great question so it happens a couple different ways Congress passes different programs and they put together these programs and then you have they assign money to it and then they get implemented well-intentioned programs they being lobed to all the above so maybe not all you know some might be a bridge to nowhere type thing

but for the most part they're well-intentioned they they had a program in mind they had somebody they were a constituency they were trying to help and then they Implement them and then that's one program and then there's another program over here and there's another program over there they're defined by how many of these things they have not that it's just they all had good intentions but over 40 years they don't go away there's 40 different programs and so then you have to have people who manage the people that interconnect them that deal with the output

of them and then and so so rather than there's just you can't just say cut them all because the more programs you have the more people it takes to make sure that they're work together track all the money and do all the stuff and get the money there get the money out pay for it talk about it do the budget for it but you can't just say you're gone because there contracts and [ __ ] and there's companies that literally are run by hardworking American entrepreneurs that have contracts with those organization those those projects and

so when you're just saying okay I'm just cutting the entire Department of Education yeah it's but if you say okay as these we're going to walk in and we're going to use technology and we're going to say this program here we're going to make you more efficient so when someone retires or dies or what you don't have to replace that position ah but at the goal is to help kids it's it's a school school lunch program and it to help kids we don't want the kids to get less because this whole thing gets cut because

what VC would say is we're just going to cut it and send the money to the States but then the states do the same [ __ ] they also have their program yeah they do the exact same the same the same problem the same but it's then it's on them what I say is okay the goal is to get the kids fed if we can find a better way to you know sunset this program but make sure those kids are in a better position because it may even be better just to write them all check

you or give the parents check and make it cheaper you don't know but the goal is find a solution fix a problem here it it seems like what you're describing could be like a 10 or 20 year turnaround for a lot of these programs how do you make sure that five administrations potentially continue it that's the problem that's that's part of the issue the Democrats have their programs the Republicans have their programs and that's where you hope like an independent who's not part of that like if it were up to me I would love both

parties to just get the [ __ ] out what the [ __ ] do we need them for they're there to raise money and to create problems and now Trump there is no real Republican party that's like the family business Trump runs it and KLA is doing the same thing on the Democratic sides it's not like you hear anything from Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren anymore they're out in the [ __ ] you know and and KLA learned from Trump literally she'd learned from Trump she's like Donald took over this program I'm going to do

the same thing with the um Democrats and this is what I care about this is what I'm going to do doesn't matter what Ernie or Elizabeth or those guys want to so you're not seeing her there's not Des sending voices even within the party no just like you don't on Trump right you don't somebody Falls in line on both sides because that's what it takes now it's more about the personality and who's going out there getting votes than it is about the programs yeah that popularity contest we fall in love with these like demigods and

we're voting for their yeah yeah yeah we're not voting for the substance of their platform or anything we're just voting for the last name of you talked to Donald Trump what substance have you ever heard from him he fun he's fun that's what everybody he tell me like like what is one thing give me but Clinton was fun too he played saxophone that's cool know how to use his office Lincoln was fun he knew how to make room under his desk no one did have you met Bill great guy great guy you get why they

were sucking on him my God I watched a basketball game I watched an NBA Finals game me my buddy and Bill Clinton and some of his friends and the dude like I like a M's game I'll yell at the TV other games I don't care um I'll just watch and enjoy he was smoking a cigar yelling at the TV the entire game I'm like let's go he was Hillary right oh anyways a good guy right yeah he's a good guy he's a really good guy loves bill bill is a beast yeah he'd be smart as

[ __ ] too right when you talk to him about any topic yeah he knows what he's talking about yeah great communicator I've noticed like a lot of times he communicates through story you know like it's effortless like what do you think about the environment one time in Arkansas and all of a sudden you're kind of caught up in this thing that that at the end of the story kind of proves his point about how we get there and you know for better or worth I mean even KLA doesn't do a good job of that

she she needs yeah she needs a wind up to get into our stories Trump just you know talks whatever's whatever right he has he has his go to Saints you know I was the biggest the best the this this is the best ever whatever he just always goes and that's kind of his U protected place so he goes into his catchphrases and that's where he just builds off of do you want a catchphrase be honest do you want one from him from him yeah yeah yeah like what would I don't know but would it be

like a flattering thing that you got a catchphrase from from Trump he's [ __ ] with me yeah but no what did he say um oh he did say like oh my god when we did this MMA thing um and I couldn't find it someone had sent it to me and I couldn't find it um we did this MMA thing back in 20077 where I had a TV network hdnet and we put on MMA fights and he did something with a the the Russians this guy named um um Fedor and yeah ell meno who the

time was like oh badass right oh I did vodka shots with the dude man he put it away and um and then Josh um not lamber um what the [ __ ] was it Barrett um but in any event so the fight for a lot of reasons didn't ever happen but he said I'm doing this with Mark cumin because everything he touches turns to gold and so so he gave it he gave it to me and I said nice things about him because there was no why not right um but [ __ ] changes over

time as you got to know him you felt he was I just I don't have a problem with him as a person just he like you just talking about Bill Clinton tell the story get to the point and you knew what the point was have you ever seen that happen with Donald Trump when when he starts a story he gets to the end of it where you understand he said that was nuanced that really he had some in-depth understanding no but like there are some people that are funny when they're not trying to be funny

and he is one of them and that's exactly what we want for President right here that that you're assuming that we make we're assuming we make the best decisions when it comes to electing people right and I think we elect people emotionally and I know it's absurd to be like this guy's fun not disagree with you at all it it's absurd that we we saw Bill Clinton play saxophone shitty on Arenal Hall and we were like this guy's cool right like that's also an abur thing but it it worked you know and so I think

that I think most Americans really kind of know nothing about the laws that are being passed they're worried about obviously their communities and they want to vote for someone who makes them feel like their you know um concerns are going to be considered or it's just a [ __ ] you dude yeah I think the you might the majority of people vote as a [ __ ] you to the other party yeah for sure like if you just sit right here and you go I'm a Democrat half of the country goes that guy's [ __

] on it and the other half goes [ __ ] [ __ ] you yeah yeah you're out and which is interesting because I imagine it's kind of vulnerable as a politician when you want to speak the truth but you know that people don't really like you they like you as a representative of the party you're almost like an actor who plays a popular character on a show they don't really like I had someone say that to me yesterday look he's an idiot but I'm a republican wait wait me and Trump is an idiot I

got to vote fory to your earlier point I think there were people in 2016 that was like I don't care about him but I love how much Democrats hate him yeah yeah for sure like you'd spoken about this before they had felt so like maligned for years yeah like you know they felt made fun of and teased they're like finally somebody is punching back back to them [ __ ] them and I get that I get that for sure for sure right but you know and I can see how you picked Donald Trump to be

that but oh my God he's we're talking about the presidency yeah yeah so giving you an opportunity to speak on some stuff you mentioned what would you say to a trump supporter who's like the country was better off under Trump than it was under Biden those four years with Biden everything got worse four years Trump had things stayed the same or got better even if he inherited something good from Obama it's not the truth but I understand why they say that I would I want you to dispel these things I mean I can tell you

no Wars there was a war in Yemen where hundreds of thousands of people died or at least 100 thousand plus people died and he had a chance to say no we're going to get out he said yes we're going to keep on selling them selling um weapons to Saudi Arabia so when he says no Wars that's [ __ ] you know when he says he's pro-military there were 200 soldiers that got bombed the [ __ ] and I forget if it was Iraq or Syria and a bunch of them had traumatic brain injuries he came

out and said there were headaches you know when Puerto Rico got hit with a hurricane mhm he held back that was funny with the toilet paper oh no no that it was funny when he finally got down there but still he held money he withheld Aid when the hurricane was sweeping through the southeast he redrew a [ __ ] map to make it look like it was going to go through Alabama you know the so and inflation so there was a point in time because I was just reading about this in 2020 right as the

pandemic was starting and because there was a lot of the demand for oil and gas gas was falling um Russia and Saudi Arabia got into a price war on oil and the price of gas just plummeted and a bunch of the people in the oil industry went to Donald Trump and said you know MBS at Saudi Arabia yeah you know Putin For Better or Worse get them together and let's make this and let's reduce production so the price of oil goes up now here's the bargain do you save the oil companies or do you [

__ ] save all the people who are suffering from the pandemic and want to pay less for gas yeah and so and if you track it the reduction and um production of oil they pulled back so much so that the price went up and then over time over the following two years so that was from early 2020 to you know late 2022 they increased production and when you increase production the price of gas goes back down some so when they were reducing production the price of gas went like this and that was the start of

inflation because just like he says all the time you know drill drill drill because that'll reduce the prices of everything else well he literally caused the prices of everything else to start going up so by the time he the price of oil is expensive the you know the shipping is more expensive everything trickle down effect from oil right and so it went from he made the choice I pay my boys that run these oil companies or I keep the price of oil and gas low so our gas pric is for everybody else now question about

I keep on going this is this is why I'm asking you for specifics because I'm listening to all these we're doing research I'm listening to all these things and you just keep having great answers for everything but then I start to go is he right or is he just really [ __ ] good at debating and that's why I'm asking you for specifics CU I think a lot of people might be like yeah he sounds right but he's just so smart I don't know if he's actually right who Trump you oh me when you're talking

about anti-trump this antitrump that oh no I'm just giving you look I'm not the expert in all this [ __ ] and somebody can tell me I'm wrong that's fine I've learned from it but you don't see Donald Trump admitting to anything nothing when was when was the one time he ever said I'm wrong when was the one time he said okay let me figure this out let me give you some details maybe that's why I like him cuz he's like my wife Bingo there you go right the [Laughter] break down tariffs because from his

side he says oh I'm just hard on China hard the dumbest [ __ ] ever okay all right so let me let's talk tff right there's two types of tariffs there's strategic tariffs and there's across theboard tariffs right strategic tariffs are you're Japan or you're China and you own part of the steel company in your country China is an owner it's a nationalized company it's a nationalized company so they can say we're going to undercut the price of steel made by us Steel in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania so we're going to ship it in at a really

reduced price so that we could take business away from us steel their business shrinks and now if the United States a loss to the company that's in China but because it's nationalized it's at a loss to the government they don't care they take away our market share now we're [ __ ] up you put a tariff on them so that they don't attack that's like a that's that's Warfare well it's that way you put a tariff on them then us companies it's still more expensive them has to be strategic because us still if we can't

make steal in this comp country if something happens with the military yeah then we're [ __ ] so it makes perfect sense those are the tariffs that Biden kept in place those types of strategic they protect us geopolitically they also protect the businesses but they don't allow another country to get a some sort of Advantage us on us in an incredibly important Marketplace for our protection got it okay now the other the other are cross theboard tffs where Trump says [ __ ] you China I'm adding 10% or 20% or 60% tariffs he never says

which is which right he just says I'm adding tariffs so Walmart Walmart imports 80% of their products and so Walmart is buying from China paying in dollars and saying I'm paying a dollar for that widget sure and that dollar comes in and it's a dollar right now and that's it Walmart marks it up and and sells the widget at Walmart tariff comes in it gets to the United States when it comes across the border there's a 10% tariffs the custom the border of Patrol says Ah there's a 10% tariff on it Walmart you have to

pay 10% of that dollar you have to pay me a dime for every one of these widgets to come in Walmart has a choice they can either eat that dime or pass it on now imagine then he goes to John Deere and he says if you're thinking about moving any of your manufactur to Mexico even though he signed this thing called the usmca which allows you to move some of your manufacturing to Mexico he signed it he created it but put that aside he says to them okay we're going to give you a 200% tariff

for anything that you make that you then import tractors let's say so think about it that's if John Deere moved their factories to another country even just a portion of them got right so he's basically saying don't leave us don't leave but it's not that easy because now can I ask you a real quick question about that so when when let's say China tried to undercut our Market they would sell the steel here the who would buy that steel like a Home Depot or something I'm just trying yeah someone who's building a building someone who's

building so that company would have to pay that increased price they would have to pay the Tariff and basically the Tariff would be in place so the company goes well I'd just rather buy the American Steel because it's the same press correct 100% so that's on the Strategic side so it's always on the consumer of the the business that's consuming the foreign Goods here to pay the Tariff they will then well directly or indirectly right yeah so whoever Imports it has to write the check got it got it got it got it got it so

when Trump says China is paying for it no he's not he's not paying for it got it ah well China could in an effort to undercut the US steel Market make it so low on strategic on strategic stuff yes but but they're still they're not the on paying for it whoever does the importing we do pay for it but essentially they would their government would be paying they would be sub but if it's just like a Walmart product so if it's strategic that's one thing yeah because you want to protect us steel and other steel

companies because you need that it to protect for military reasons and other reasons if it's you know what's if it's a shoe real quick s interrupt like I'm just trying to think of of a what's it called a strongman argument for this or Steelman argument yeah uh if a tariff was placed and China still wanted to gain market share and steel in America but if the Tariff was significant enough that we could buy up all their steel while still manufacturing steel here then we might even have a strategic advantage on China this is a hypothetical

where they would not be producing enough steel to support their own Army and we you like yeah but then they would just say we don't need to send it to America and then they would stop the they would stop but there is a number that you could dial so the real question is what does it take why can't am American manufacturers make it cheap enough that you don't import it from China why is it that John Deere is considering moving manufacturing to Mexico rather than just doing cheaper labor I assume well it's not just cheaper

labor there's technology and there's other things but the so Trump says well if we have these tariffs then those companies will just manufacture here yeah but think that through if you could today manufacture it cheap enough so that you didn't have to import anything would you do it can't be doing it already the problem is that even if you said you know what it's made in America and would you would Americans pay a little bit of a premium to be able to buy American made no they don't they don't it's unfortunate but they don't they

don't I have a company cultivate us and that's all they do is help you look up it's a a browser extension and it tells you if something was made in America or not yeah um I have two companies I got Guardian bikes and Cost Plus where we have a manufacturing Guardian bikes we literally move their manufacturing from China here um Cost Plus drugs instead of doing anything overseas we build our manufacturing plant in Dallas and the reason we were able to do that is because we used robotics the only way that we're going to beat

them is because we're smarter than the [ __ ] and we've got better technology but when Trump says tariffs he doesn't say look let me help you invest in more robotics so we can kick their ass he that you would agree with yeah that I would agree with that's what Harris is saying that's why she said the other day when in Pittsburgh we are going to invest in new technologies AI is critical for us being able to compete militarily and otherwise but Donald says if you move anything at all even if it's best for your

business punitive managers there'll be punitive managers but I understand the concern and why that is an effective strategy for American voters cuz if you're somebody from like Detroit and you watch the audio industry Le Detroit right you probably heard of those stories if you work at the John Deere factory and you're like with whether it's logical or not you start going well he's the guy is going to keep my job here even if it's not but they already know because they've already lost those jobs that's already happened right there's no plants that left like it's

like he said the same thing to a carrier plant in Indianapolis in 2017 2018 whatever it was where they were going to move to Mexico [ __ ] carrier just played him like a [ __ ] fiddle and so he got Mike Pence to go to the state of indan IND to give carrier money in order to keep those jobs there but what carrier did was okay we won't send those jobs to Mexico we'll cut other jobs but the jobs that you wanted us not to send to Mexico cool and when it was all said

and done they ended up moving to Mexico anyways wow there were supposedly there was a plant in um Wisconsin um that was going to be built by this company called foxcon and it was going to be this big I don't manufacturing of I don't even remember what yeah they got all this money from Paul Ryan or whoever the governor was back then in Wisconsin they didn't build [ __ ] so the theory would be CU I'm listening to Trump talk about it I'm like oh theoretically if tis are high enough manufacturing will build back up

in America because we there's a demand and we need Manufacturing in America what you're saying is people are just going to buy the cheaper product always they don't give a [ __ ] where it's unfortunately because I like I've tried other other people have tried but if you just look just think of it from com as an entrepreneur as an entrepreneur if I know that Walmart's buying widgets for a dollar each and I can put something together to make them for 98 cents each people will buy for 98 [ __ ] yeah I'm going to

put it together and so was every other entrepreneur in the United States of America try trying to say don't import it like if you could do it cheaper you would be doing it but so here's the question like we have to invest in robotics you said right but isn't that on the business like is it on the government to develop these Robotics and then go by the way businesses don't you want to use them I part of those programs we talked about before you know because you have to do robotics for the military and so

the the Department of Defense and does a duct tape was invented by NASA all that stuff it trickles out so it's it's developed at the highest level Boston Dynamics is first going to develop something for the military and eventually it's going to be in the some kids iPad yeah and and just some some projects are just too big and so it just takes too much money like AI right now the AI [ __ ] did you see Microsoft bought the island um yeah for over a billion dollars this is kind of crazy maybe explain to

them this a AI uses a [ __ ] ton of electricity [ __ ] T and by the way just a little aside when people talk about AI taking jobs because it uses so much electricity [ __ ] plumbers um electricians Power Engineers all these people the jobs are going to Sky oh and they Blue Collar jobs too those are all facility to generate all this electricity that's interesting and so they require so much power why you know solar farms and everything I mean there's programs now um where if you have solar energy on your

home and you have excess the time of day you could sell it to the local um utility plan and so there's going to be all these ways to generate power that we need and so Microsoft did a deal and bought Three Mile Island so give a little background to what Three Mile Island is three M I mean I don't know the whole strip but nuclear it's like a nulear nuclear plant that burned down basically one of them I think they had multiple plants I think one of them one of the reactors yeah one of the

reactors had something happen and it had a nuclear meltdown but it's still functioning the others are still functioning and they basically bought it because they needed nuclear energy it just requires so much electricity to to run all the simulations right cuz you're synthesizing data yeah they're just training all these models it just takes so much more and the power called a nuclear reactor Island like that's something out of like a Bond movie it's insane it's insane but you know it comes down to do you want to give incentives to companies to work with the government

and do these projects or do you want to take a hammer and just say [ __ ] you [ __ ] you will do it this way that's the difference and I think that's what people don't get but to your point Andrew he he's a great salesperson yeah he sells it the and he says it the way people want to hear it and if you're not looking to get into the details like I might then it's just like [ __ ] that makes sense well I think yeah people are emotional right and I think we

make decisions of emotion what I would will say is like the first term that he ran I think he was spoton to what people were feeling that wasn't being spoken about he was like it was a laser point and I think every election since he's been a few like standard deviations away from that mean and I don't think KL is on it either I don't think either one are like hitting the Ze guys AG what do you think the zeist is right now what what do you think the general feeling of Americans is pissed off

about everything because everything's a fight everything's a battle there's nothing that's easy anymore everybody is just [ __ ] with everybody yelling at everybody worried about everything and it's like and nobody there's no facts we agree on dude it is for all the amazing things that the internet have given us it has also eroded our confidence in everything everything yeah there is just as much proof that vaccines are good that they are I don't know if it's just as much but there's a doctor out there who will tell you these vacines are horrible there's a

doctor that will say there's like six of them but when you talk when you there's one million doctors because I did this project right where talked about making going to med school for free so that we have more doctors get them into different places um like 95% of doctors have been fully vaccinated so the five doctors that are like but we don't need to get into that vaccin the point is more like if there's one that is a doctor hey I don't know it makes you% 100% just went to college you're like I don't [

__ ] know that guy got the AL on he must be right about and he validates what I'm feeling so I'm good all the way through there's it's hard there's no institution that I think we feel confident in right now because there's no leadership and there's no trust when there's no leadership there's no trust there's no control of information I'm not saying the government should control information I love the freedom of it but when they did control the information they could Cate narratives that we all kind of fell in line with fell in line with

and we started to believe and these narratives had like built in confidence like the idea of America was this like this like romanticized version of it and then you get open source information you start learning like wow there's some kind of [ __ ] up things and you see there's other people who believe the same thing so it used to be you were the only one you know at at the gym that would talk about this [ __ ] and now you can find a million people especially like you go from 150 million people 30

years ago whatever in the country to 330 million now in grow H yeah it was just like 1% of 1% of people are really [ __ ] up that's a whole lot of [ __ ] up people 3.3 mil million [ __ ] up people wow so that [ __ ] like just grows but it just if we had a strong leader I'm not saying KLA is the strongest leader there's things I don't agree with her at all I think she doesn't she winds up when she answers questions I'm not a fan of ending the

filibuster which I think is a huge mistake so there's a lot of things I disagree with her on but I think her hearts in right place you know if if you believe like I do that we want people to trust that we want someone who tries to bring people together that isn't negative towards people you've heard her pick on Trump and JD Vance but she hasn't said anything about Trump supporters she said she's she'll talk to Republicans she'll talk to Independents she'll get ideas from anybody and and she truly will and to me that's important

because the one certainty you have about the presidency and life in general you don't know what the [ __ ] going to happen tomorrow M you just don't and you want somebody you know there's this old old old sing that says character is Destiny the the type of person that you are guides how you make decisions and while she's far from perfect I just think her character will guide her in the right direction to put American people first and I just think Donald Trump's going to put himself first I just don't think he's going to

put anybody else in front of him and you talk about what happened before every single thing he's done those 40 44 cabinet members who came out against him they didn't say we disagreed they said he was unfit for office because he did [ __ ] for himself first literally like during 2020 when we had the black Liv matters riots and protests the [ __ ] didn't say calm down let's bring people together he goes when the Looting starts the shooting starts that's not bars this guy that his bars though like if you were going to

loot that day you'd be like Maybe not today unless it was Washington DC in the capital then it's like we don't need those magers the the things to check for guns and everything we don't care right let them in it was it was just a vacation yeah feel about the uh laps side at Supreme Court I mean I'm not happy about it but you know I'm not surprised about it but I'm not a fan of trying to expand the Supreme Court at all now I'm all for term limits so that instead of doing it saying

that you just get to die how seile you are you just can hold on so I think that's wrong but I don't think you expand it to 17 cuz then the next president who disagrees with you just does the same thing and it's just a cluster [ __ ] um so I think when the Democrats talk about that they're full of [ __ ] against the Buster um because I think that requiring 60 votes to get something changed means you have to convince people who disagree with you and I think that's important and I think

to get if we're going to have any chance of bringing people together you've got to have incentives to bring people together politicians parties you know citizens voters non-voters you you've got to go through that process and having the filibuster protects that and so I think she's wrong in saying no filibuster but I'm pro-choice right so I understand why she wants to do it yeah um I got two daughters I don't want anybody making a decision for them um but I don't think the changing the filibuster is the way to do it at all it is

it is um unfortunate to State the the Supreme Court because in its Inception you're like okay these are the greatest constitutional Minds that the country has they are not partisan they look at the document and this is how they feel and they look at the voting records and they're absolutely partisan so it's almost like elected officials that just have this if you're going to be an elected official okay let's get you out of here you know every six years it could be 10 year whatever it is if we feel like you are too biased agree

but the idea behind it the idea behind it is like Hey listen everybody's bias except this person we think is really smart and really fair get him in there for life and let's keep them around and yeah this person that gets appointed by the president who has his own bias but yeah exactly and can we realistically get term limits or is that there's some things where you're like I just don't know how you get that done it' be very difficult I don't know because I mean this is a branch of government that has existed from

you know the Inception and you have to convince the people who have the power to let go of the power they're not going to do that they probably won't do it I guess you just hope that they uphold the law like they have some integ and now it's just you just don't know again it's just you don't trust all right guys we're going to take a break real quick because I got to tell you where to go if you want Delta 8 or Delta 9 products you need to go to delt clouds.com they have all

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should say it anyway for legal reasons and deltaac clouds.com only sells Delta products to legal states sorry other states your [ __ ] out of luck but that's your Governor's fault really let's get back to the show I know you said strong leadership but like I do think that there is a for a for a country like America that thrives off self-esteem right American Excellence is really important to us right it's part of our DNA it's baked into our identity every movie that we watch exemplifies and I feel like our confidence is at an all-time

low I agree and how do we how do you build the confidence of a nation that feels like it's eroding a little bit you go door too you know you really have got to go where people don't expect you to be seen and talk to people what do you tell like what do you give them to believe and like the Olympics came around and and I felt like for a few weeks we cared about the sports we don't give a [ __ ] about and we're winning and we're like ah we're back American Excellence is

great and then it stops and everybody goes back to the government is corrupt the pharmaceutical Industries are corrupt the military industrial complex corrup what is the thing that we get to sit down and go you know what I'm proud to be an American because of this I mean I'd like to think the American dream the the one thing that makes us different than every other country is everybody in this room everybody watching they either have had or think they'll have some idea that they can start a business around that or somebody will invest in them

for who they are and what they believe in and that's what makes this country different you know I go talk to kids all the time and I'll say look around see that light see that picture see that screen see that camera see that one day it didn't exist and somebody could look like you could be like you said I have this idea and followed through and now that table you know that drink that light that was because somebody came up with this idea and I say to these kids why not you why can't you be

that one to come up with this idea and there's nobody that can stop you but you but you got to do the work and I think when we give people a reason to believe in themselves and show them that there's a future for themselves that they can come up with that idea they can get that job they can learn that learning is actually a skill that can take you places then I think we'll start to respect each other because if I think you were going to do something that you believe in okay I respect you

for that if I think you going to do or anybody's going to do so entrepreneurship and education are still I think core that's who we've been our entire history and that's I would still education I think has taken a little bit of a hit if you look in the traditional sense but education in terms of there's information out there that can help me achieve my dream I think still exists and Entrepreneurship absolutely does and then if you add to it like chat PT or you know gemini or any of the AI now you see kids

that are we're all using it right it just just because it's a shortcut and so you can teach yourself anything even be you know before the large language models from AI you even if you went online and started searching you had to decide what was good content or bad content and I'm not saying these these AI large language models are all right but between three or four of them you can you can set up a a syllabus you can set up a program to teach yourself anything it's pretty amazing anything and so I think you

nailed it when you said the internet went from this beautiful thing back in the day where we were going to have access to information to it being a sh you know a [ __ ] hole in a lot of respects particularly with social media but now I'm hoping with AI and the the chat PT and the Geminis Etc that can give everybody a chance to learn the analogy I use is you remember when like um those like uh Nigerian credit card scams popped up right like in early internet days you get an email and they're

like hey if you give me $50,000 you're going to be a millionaire people fell for that [ __ ] because you were so excited and you didn't believe that somebody could dup you on the internet and I feel like that's what we're going through with information on and I think in like maybe 5 years or 10 years these large language models he have agree something will change right it's not going to be like like I remember back in the day when we were starting broadcast audet before broadcast.com people talking about you cannot give your credit

card to anybody on the internet Amazon Amazon will not succeed Amazon will fail because still saying that to checks to pay us direct but Amazon Amazon will fail because no one's going to give him a [ __ ] credit card I remember being skeptical of PayPal like well I'm just they're just going to the same way the same way interesting and now it's yeah it's no no it's nothing AI question what do you think is the ultimate Destiny of AI how it everything do you think it everything destroys Humanity or do you think it so

here's kind of the reference point that I think protects us um like I have a Min Australian Shepherd y do you guys have dogs at all they're smart dogs and dumb dogs right you take a smart dog you can put it almost anywhere if you put a smart dog in the middle of the street in the middle of nowhere where they've never been before they're going to figure out where the danger is and all that they're going get across the street and take you across the street and so if you had a choice of going

in a full service and I'm trying not trying to rip on Tesla and just using this as an example full service full self-service driving car MH if it hasn't seen something in front of it before because if it hasn't been trained on it it's going to [ __ ] up it's going to run into that so if there's like a blob that's just sitting there that's never seen before it's not going to know what to do and it can run into a pedestrian or whatever you put my mini Australian Shepherd there and it sees a

blob it's going to bark a few times but then go around it and realize there's no other risk until AI is a smart as a puppy it's not going to be all that great a risk um I don't think now it doesn't mean like I can give you tons of scary [ __ ] too like I can tell you about little you know fly size or maybe bigger drones that are all controlled by AI that you know you're going to see these drone attacks of a million little insect drones and they're all controlled by Ai

and self-thinking and da d d d That's just going to be scary as [ __ ] um when that happens I don't know but it's going to happen but in terms of you know like the movie AI and you know robotics taking over and robots taking over no not for not for a while not for a long long time because life will get better before it get worse yeah because if if it's not going to be as smart as a puppy or even a cat like cats are dumb as [ __ ] and they figure

out you know how to fall and land on their feet do are so do you not subscribe to and I'm not trying to say this so that you like beat up on Elon but like are are you you wouldn't trust the the Tesla auto drive not with my eyes closed the whole time interesting no um he sleeps in it yeah guy goes to bed oh while you're driving I was an early adopter I love it yeah look I have it too and I play with it but it still scares the [ __ ] out of

me um when I want my family to just close their eyes and let it drive itself no no um but do I see the value absolutely now if it were up to me um and I said this to the city of Dallas you know like when you go to Vegas you can't cross the strip you have to go up over the you got to walk I would be pushed if I Milan I'm pushing to put those in every downtown that you possibly can even you know working out deals so there's no pedestrians to hit and

then unsightly yeah but put that aside like now you yeah okay been in the hampt what [ __ ] so we'll let you decorate it look at like some lady turned to jelly every once in a while then a bridge over every well you get to look up right you well get yeah you know you put out you know opens the window what a simple idea to just make no more accidents and I'm just like but the bridge you have to look at the bridge you see what I'm saying though right you just put those

crosswalk over top you put them underground you could put them underground a lot of cities have them underground and you know Elon uses the boring company and just you know yeah you know but you put it underground but you would never do that in New York City like imagine a bridge on every single Street that's crazy you get 18 wheelers it looks nice it'll be fine yeah really yeah yeah because think of think of the value proposition yeah you got to walk up and walk over but still like every car can be self-driving every delivery

can be self-driving you can then start building buildings where Elon has one of his trucks and they just back in and there's no human involved and it's just you um Costco I think was is building um a new Costco in but it's going to be in the middle of all these apartments and you can automate all that [ __ ] you know you put your freezer so it just backs up holy [ __ ] wait wait wait just just so everybody understands what just happened so the unit your refrigerator backs up to a Costco potentially

that's on the inside so it's got like a little delivery door it just refills you with ice cream like convenience store you know the fridges they load from the back yeah yeah exactly right exactly right I think Diddy has that for the baby oil because he can Bott great yeah that is what a crazy idea give me some more of these like Innovations you think we I think about all yeah this is exciting to me like I mean give us your designs for City for business for whatever these are I give away IP for free

man are are you trying to develop some of this stuff no no no my mission is to [ __ ] up the healthcare industry so that's that's my focus but okay so then [ __ ] up the other while you focus on this give us give us the details for that no I mean but seriously that's just something I always thought about when it came to self driving cars because I want them to work I wanted to work for Elon I think that's important for the country you know for civilization I I think he's doing

an look I I [ __ ] with Elon on Twitter because he [ __ ] with everybody on Twitter but he's the the best entrepreneur of Our Generation by far it's not even close the [ __ ] he does is just insanely yeah it's wild I mean the dude before Twitter was the man I loved him post Twitter but then he he he became politicized and I knew it the second it happened [ __ ] it up but that is the thing that you have to that you should be concerned about too like I understand

that you're doing this because you think once the election's over it's over you're back to and here's what I also give you credit for Elon is very transparently pro-republican and pretends he cares about it for the sake of the country and it's very obvious you don't really give a [ __ ] about the country you have some ulterior motive you never say Democrat Republican a fck he's rescuing astronauts don't get me wrong does amazing [ __ ] I think he I don't think that drives his politic but I think he does it the wrong way

that's not why he's Republican all of a sudden it's not about the welfare of America he didn't buy Twitter because he's concerned about free speech he bought Twitter because he wants to sway the election the way he he wants to control I I disagree I don't think that it's I don't know if I don't know the level of altruism but I do think he believes that this will be the most beneficial um form of government representation for America I don't what do you think it is oh I think he wants to be Twitter is impactful

in a lot of countries a lot of big countries and when you have control of the algorithm and what people see effectively the influence you have to you know carry Curry f from every head of state so it's power it's power it's 100% power can you elaborate on that a little bit more I think yeah that's an argument that I haven't heard you can Curry favor from heads of state because brail look at the fight yeah look what happened to Brazil explain that little please break that down yeah so again I'm not expert on this

did not Brazil said that youold there was a judge in Brazil that said Twitter is putting out misinformation in the country of Brazil and they told him that he has to shut down and he or get fined and he said [ __ ] you I'm not going to do it and then they shut him down and then time went on where he wasn't there and us just started going elsewhere um and so he acquiesced and paid his fine and now they're back but he got to talk to the head of state of Brazil he had

dinner with the prime minister of Italy there's not anybody who's not going to take his [ __ ] call I thought it was brilliant right for you know to from a net worth perspective to spend 404 and it wasn't all his money I think he put in 11 or 20 or whatever he put in right stole [ __ ] ton of money but he bought access to everybody and anybody he also brought up a point on another podcast if you have if you reply to someone on Twitter everybody who follows you sees the tweet that

you replied to elon's the most followed person on Twitter it's not a coincidence that he always responds to random Republican tweets everybody sees it politics are very clear and I think a lot of people are kind of let down by it I'm not like in love with his online personality but I do I really respect him as an entrepreneur separate the online personality from the entrepreneur there's no way you can't just think Elon is amazing he's a genius every which way there's no the world what do you think like because you're someone who's who's had

successes at the highest level what do you think separates him like is it is it his ability to hire his ability to like organize like what are the things that you look at I think it's Vision I think it's vision and execution lots of people can have a vision I can talk about putting you know things over the streets but I ain't going to do [ __ ] so so it's the idea idea and follow through and then what is follow through is it is it is it specifically like coming up with the plan is

it hiring the right will to put it all in the line because he went into debt he didn't care he put up the money he's like I'm I'm all in I don't give a [ __ ] about the rest like I grew up the way I grew up like still cheap to a certain extent because that's the way I was raised like my dad did upholstery on cars his you know his dad you know was a waiter my mom did odd jobs her dad just sold clothing door too literally and um from car shop to

car shop so you know and they grew up in the depression and all that and so it was my mom still till the day she died but like the cheapest stress from TJ Maxx I couldn't get her to buy anything nice it was TJ Maxx it's just that was the way I was born so I'm always like safe safe safe safe safe elon's like [ __ ] it go for it that's that's a skill and that mentality allows you to take those big swings big swings and so like when I had nothing to lose I

could take a big swing because I had nothing to [ __ ] lose right I'm sleeping on the floor I'm starving didn't matter um and now I can take bigger swings but you're still thinking about it I'm still thinking about it yeah I'm still like how am I going to protect myself in case the [ __ ] hits the fan you know so when I started Cost Plus cost a lot of money but Elon Blake puts it all out he last uh piece of budget for the rocket launch for SpaceX Tesla was his Paypal money

like yeah put it all on the line so that's an interesting way of looking at it it's that it's it's not like you're it's not like you're trying to avoid risk but it's almost like he has zero concern about risk not worry where that next hamburger is coming from at all yeah interesting and what do you think that is I don't think you know he never I mean he also had some money growing up but there might be a little bit more comfort with it I don't I I don't know I don't want to discredit

him don't want to discredit them all like online Elon is a prick yeah but in the business World he's the best he's the best he's going to change the future is that like when you're speaking amongst your peers the conversations you're have I'm sure you guys have your version of Mount Rushmore whatever it is and the people that you probably think are like overrated and and I'm actually curious what that is you can we can even cut them out if if if I don't really pay attention enough like my boys are my boys right but

are there any people that are in the entrepreneurship world that you look at you're like he gets all his credit but he's fine no because if you get to where you if you get to where people know who you are got you did something right yeah I'm not I'm not going to nail on somebody that you know except for Donald Trump yeah literally that's the example interesting why and why because he didn't I mean go through his list yeah of where he got his money and tell me where he actually made it did he not

earn it through real estate I think his dad built all those buildings for him until he died like after 1999 his biggest hit came came from these three buildings that he defaulted on and in he did a deal that was turns out to be right but he said if the value goes over a billion dollar I'm losing these buildings but to keep me from suing you and just making a big stink in the media if these business if these buildings um if you sell them for more than a billion dollars I want 30% and the

buildings were worth like 200 million and they were like [ __ ] it whatever we never thought they would be they went over real estate in New York goes nuts went over that's where he got his next trch of money and then the other thing he did that was smart and I'll give him credit for is you know in a golf club like I said I'm not a golfer you put down a deposit to join the club and that deposit is supposed to be there so that when somebody leaves the club you get your money

back yeah you know do you belong to any golf club no but I'm familiar with this so what he did that was it's not a payment a lot of people think that is a payment but they essentially are holding that money it's a deposit it's a deposit you're supposed to get back when you leave the club well what he did was a little janky but he did it and they got sued and it got approved in the courts he said I'm just going to use that money for whatever I operate like a bank well he

didn't L it out he used it for himself oh okay so he said I'm taking the which was smart in so many respects um JY but smart he said I want to buy this golf course it has a 100 million in deposits if I could just get control of the golf course for whatever amount even if I have to borrow then I take the deposits and I make use of it now that's my money to use for whatever I want and if Andrew leaves the golf course I'll just give him the 250 Grand from his

deposit and it don't matter so loan because oh [ __ ] because not everybody's going to leave at the same time and it's I make the golf course am look that up look that [ __ ] up and see what so if he invest it's smart in the [ __ ] money market he's making money on 100 million how do you how you get caught with that did he not pay somebody out or no it's not that he got caught it's just the um the members of the club he did it to First said I

want that deposit there I don't want to trust you to find the money to give me my deposit back know that he was investing it well he was taking over the club so when he took over the club he didn't say by the way I'm going to take over all your deposits what he had to right because the money the people Bo there's a Bo so they found out one end it was smart as [ __ ] like I said settle suit from former members sinking refunds W what year was that I can't see that

2018 okay that's when the suit settled so yeah so if you buy a golf and I'm not saying you can but if you bought a golf course for $50 million but it had 100 million that are just sitting there you got paid 50 million to buy the golf course that's a smart [ __ ] move he found a little what I just say right janky but smart yeah but you said where's he getting his money yeah any other entrepreneurs coming up that you you're looking at you're like I think this guy's really got it um

there's I mean there's a lot of of them it's just like with AI right now every Kevin maybe no I love Kevin but then no I'm not going to him for entrepreneur I mean Sam Alman is doing some interesting things but he's he's like getting into like all kinds of [ __ ] which you don't want to necessarily get into um yeah can you break that down how they're I don't the detail here's a question what's your superpower why why is it you come from modest means not poor but modest and then you're a billionaire

multiple times over how what's what do you think your greatest strength this so I love to learn so when it comes to business I'll I'll read learn anybody like I'll read everything everything um and then I'm good at saying okay here's what I know Steve Jobs said everything is a remix and I take that to heart you just said here's where we are here's everything I know what's next so it's like the the overpass on the roads okay if how what's a way to solve this problem it's like cplus drugs.com it's an opaque industry everybody

said you can't fix um drug pricing I'm like What's missing no transparency so I'm going to make all of our prices transparent I'm going to publish our price list so everybody can see it and it's been the easiest industry to disrupt I've ever been involved with and so my superpower is being able to look at something and say here's what I know here's what I think we can do can we do it yes or no and then just going for it um and I think other than that I can sell like a [ __ ]

um I work my ass off and I'm not afraid to fail that's great I mean it scares me but I I'll work my ass off so that I mean you guys you guys started this it takes takes balls to to do this everybody says no it can't work and yeah it's scary as [ __ ] but that makes you work harder 100% sorry follow up about the C plus drugs health insurance do you have any ideas on how you could disrupt that industry oh yeah we just stay tuned okay I love that I'm very excited

about why haven't you made deals with the insurance companies so they just start CU they're [ __ ] they're [ __ ] so insurance companies most people who have health insurance have it through an employer who self- insures yeah yeah and so you know what Self insurance is right where the employer pays the bills yeah but that's not traditional Insurance the idea of insurance like your car insurance right if you get in a wreck your car insurance gives you money but with health insurance for most people their their employer self-insurers and so that means what

the [ __ ] does an insurance company do if they're not insuring SS like they're not taking any risk at all none whatsoever it's a pretty sweet business to be in h yes and so all they do is they process the paperwork and they take nickels and dimes here and there some from the hospital some from the employer some from the patient with a deductible or a copay and that that all adds up to a [ __ ] ton of money we're saying just like we did with drugs we'll get to this point where we're

going to publish all of our contracts so everybody knows what to do and we're going to cut out the insurance company completely and just go to the provider whoever provides the healthcare and I'll just do a contract with you because the providers hate the [ __ ] insurance companies as much as we do you know what's funny the insurance company is almost like a money manager in that like they're just taking a scrape they're commission sales is all they are they're commission sales we're going to go sign up this company this company this company and

hospital if you want access to their employees for their [ __ ] right here's what we're going to pay you and we're going to be a sales funnel they're just commission sales is that [ __ ] it it's totally [ __ ] I still don't I still don't get why wouldn't they be incentivized to buy meds from you if they get me from you for cheaper you think because they make more money buying the cheapest is not how they make their most money they make their most money by saying that we're saving you money and

we're doing all these things but we're not showing you the actual information okay so if you think that like if they came to Cost Plus drugs and something cost a hundred bucks but you don't know what the price of it really is and they charge you 300 because you don't know what the price is they make more money in other words like they're getting the drugs for the same price he is well they may even be paying more they may even pay more than what we pay but they don't care their Delta is crazy what

they care yeah because what they care about people don't know the real price of the drug that's all they care about they care about money they could still even make a little bit more by could be a little bit more but they they don't want anybody to know what they're doing so they let the drug companies take a little bit higher amount that's actually brilliant hey none of these people know it's 10 cents I'll give you a dollar actually these places called pbms Pharmacy benefit managers who act as the middleman who do that so they

say Okay manufacturer I'm going to give you um 200 bucks but you're going to give me a rebate of 150 and then I'm going to tell everybody I paid 200 bucks and then this is so there's like four different middlemen that are eating off the same thing so [ __ ] up it is so [ __ ] up but that's opportunity that's like where Elon is going you really need security bro yeah you that's a Honeypot that's a giant but but that is Jesus Christ wow what an absolute mind it's a scan it's scan but

now like how many people do you think actually knows Americans understand how the insurance industry the medical insance more now because just recently um the FTC started going after the [ __ ] and just start who inspired that um I think we did because we put out the first price list where like there's researchers that are saying look if Medicare um insurance companies that work with Medicare bought through Cost Plus these nine drugs would save taxpayers $3.6 billion and then they just did a report from the FTC where they used our pricing to say these

pbms the middlemen they're ripping off people left and right and so I mean we [ __ ] no doubt absolutely no doubt that we were right there because it all started when we started releasing our price list so what happens when all those companies just adjust their prices to yours they're toast why because then all of a sudden these public companies that have hundred billion dollars in sales have a fourth of those that should weting should we be shorter than those companies right now is that it's worth taking a look now I'm not saying you're

doing this I'm not but [Music] you this is brilliant no I'm not saying you're doing this but you know how uh the NBA teams they want to uh build a new Arena but they'll own all the real estate around it so they could benefit from developing thata right it would be genius if there was a person that saw a white space or saw a super inflated or bureaucratic market like you know the insurance business and shorted all the companies and then developed something that would cause them to tank it's not I didn't think of it

it's not that I didn't think of it right the problem isn't the I'm doing it no I used to make a [ __ ] ton of money shorting companies like oh you have no idea I started this company called shares.com and it's still in business today but it's a lot smaller and I hired this guy to just go out and find public information only public information about [ __ ] companies because there's all these [ __ ] companies not you know the ones that have 10020 $500 million do market caps and like he would find

companies that were putting out press releases about this new Warehouse they opened and so he would send somebody to the warehouse no utilities nobody there all that [ __ ] and so oh my God I just killed it just killed it and I would tell them like I'm shorting they would publish the article and it was said this is Mark Cuban's short position and yeah just killed it because they were fraudulent companies fraud books and he just called it out and just waited wow now with this insurance thing you'd have to make sure you can

take down the insurance companies well because they're big and they're not stupid and so they're going to they're going to react and come up with different ideas [ __ ] are there any other sectors that you'd like to get actually let me ask a better question what else do you think that you could be instrumental in fixing on a government level oh I mean just like Trump was talking about with Elon it's just common sense to fix a lot of that [ __ ] but I think I think what's being missed is you don't just

cut like we talked about the but V says you just cut out the Department of Education give it to the States you can't do that for all the reasons I mentioned you got to say I look at it and say what's the problem we're trying to solve we're trying to get more results to the people who need them but like give me another one like do you look at education go okay I can fix that I mean okay so education I would love to start a [ __ ] College I just don't have the time

to do it where you set it up like colleges today they have they're paying administrators $200,000 and up and they're paying professors less than that and they're paying the Tas that actually teach the classes the teaching assistants minimum wage yeah and they [ __ ] have they spend more money on Sports they spend more money on the [ __ ] um cafeteras and all this other [ __ ] amenties yeah and kids pick schools because the tailgating and the football games are better I'm like how cool would it be if I had the time to

start a business school where I set all the curriculum and all this but the problem the challenge is um you have to go through this accreditation Pro process and that's all the old school [ __ ] you type guys that are just going to say we ain't going to do that for you CU I checked um and so there's like a boy club you're say saying getting accreditation is a beast and so and you don't like to Shmo with the politicians I'm not going to do that [ __ ] no now the question then becomes

you just start it and go to companies and say it's not accredited but it's a degree it's not Trump University but it's you know a real degree real thought real smarts and you make it so that kids really learn and are prepared to go out and do stuff but most importantly you price it at a Cost Plus basis I think this is I think this is happening already organically on the internet not as an education system because you get all the videos and yeah that's why diyi diyi DIY DIY projects like people are like developing

H oh YouTube University is a thing it really is so I think the next step of that would be an organized version of it pull it all together um but make it so they cover all the bases and you have a curriculum and they have to graduate but it's $1,000 a year and then I literally thought about and I even talked to people in Dallas I'm like okay what if I took over Community College made it free did all the curriculum and you know made it two years but it'd be a badass two years okay

okay you could change [ __ ] like that you can take Brook Haven that's not do that's what I'm saying right I talk you know um that's cool yeah you know and so you could do that and then the other thing is like how do you reduce the cost of colleges and so they're like you know the Democrats are like we're going to make college free [ __ ] you don't do that because then it's just like when people can borrow all the money they want to pay for school because they'll give you all you

want because you can't bankruptcy your way out of it so when you have all that money coming in tuition goes up yeah you're incentivizing schools to charge more a lot way because there's no downside to them they don't have to deal with it if someone goes broke or can't pay for it but but if you said okay I'm all for having free college for people who can't afford it but what I would say is you put out to bid in every city area right every um like DFW the New York tri state area and you

say one college is going to be free just one the rest of you you know you all can bid but I'm going to pick one that's and we're going to do a 10-year or 20-year contract and it's free and there's going to be limited number of students because of the sky size now the people who really need to go to the free school can go to it and get free college but the more important thing is by having a free college it limits what everybody else is going to charge in the tri-state area because they

know they're competing with free so they have to be better and they can't be too expensive but if there's a limited amount of people can go to that school and we want everybody to go to college you can always add second one third at least start so you have something to keep cost down you have a a competitor essentially that's affordable which is the idea of the city or state college system yeah and and it's not bad like New York and LA are not bad as States yeah California has a good state school and New

York has a good State School System yeah that is that is but not you're basically saying not every state has that no so you end up going to one of these Behemoth universities that's got you know 40 different pools for you to go swim at you're spending 50 Grand a year you're not really you know I'm going to Alabama cu the football is great I'm going to Georgia because the foot maybe the education's great there I don't know but it's still expensive and you're still paying for all those amenities and the price just keeps inflating

because they know you'll pay it you can get loans yeah how how that's a good question how do we fix inflation there's so much conversation about inflation right now like what is inflation is fixed the problem is the prices that are already up are already up okay and so what you have to do there's only a couple things you can do what do what do you mean by it's fixed in other words the inflation rate is is like two point whatever so it's readjusted so popped up 12% or whatever % and it's come right back

down and how do we tell that like what is the indicator by the Consumer Price um index and so the increase from one year in the Consumer Price Index it goes if it goes up 9% year-over-year inflation's 9% if it goes up 2.3% year-over-year inflation's 2.3% but you know it's going back to what I talked about when the decision on um the pricing of oil and gas remember when I said Trump talked convinced them to reduce um production that pushed up the price of gas which made everything else expensive which then pushed up the prices

of things but now we are where we are right so it's not about what happened before and in order to to overcome that you can't all of a sudden say Okay sell those tomatoes for Less you can't say all right I'm goingon to reduce the cost of energy or gas and it's going down because people aren't you know Trump says drill drill drill well we've already been through that before where if there's too much drilling the price craters and if the price craters they're going to stop drilling now question so let me let me let

me go back let me go before I lose this train no please go so you're not going to all of a sudden say here's how we're going to reduce the price of tomatoes eggs or whatever so what you have to do is say how are people going to make more money because if when it was like this everybody's in pain because prices went up too fast and you go to the grocery store and you're freaked out by what you see and then you look and you look at your paycheck and you're like [ __ ]

it's not keeping up and so the only way to change that is when you look at that paycheck and say inflate salary as well yeah and so are you giving those raises so if you know if you were making um a th000 bucks a week and your grocery bill went from 500 to 600 that's pain if you're making $1,000 a week and it goes to 1,200 and your grocery bill goes from 500 to 600 a month or whatever right now you're good you're good and so you got to get those earnings up be so just

okay so so basic basically what we have to do is accept that this is where the dollar is in other words we're not going to bring down the buying power of the dollar bring I guess up the buying power so much of buying power the dollar because it's domestic right and so um in in inflation yes so it's not 100% true I'm wrong a little bit so with inflation when inflation goes up your buying power relative to the past is has declined yeah um and so you're not going to really change that Dynamic but you

get more dollars so it's basically easier to adjust wages than it is to bring down the price if you're a manufacturer of Widgets or whatever like I'm not going to start charging less like everybody accept it it's eight bucks now right now maybe like if no one's buying it like Wednesday's reduced their price McDonald's came out ah but that so this is an this is why you know you got to talk to like Economist about this because the fact that people are not buying as many Widgets or whatever they is because they're not making as

much money is going to force them to reduce those prices again on certain things certain things you can't grocery you you got to have eggs well well I so what he was saying is that now basically there's a there's a Delta that has happened since inflation now that that inflation has been reduced we haven't reduced those prices therefore they're just making more money well it's not that they're their cost probably went up too and so their cost to do everything probably went up and so when there's inflation it's not just the things that consumers buy

it's the inputs that go into making those all goes up so some companies like I've had I've been in these conversations hey inflation's up we can charge more even if our costs didn't go up and that's the gouging it's not even it's not so much as just what companies do that's just what's the dance with the FED interest rate that affects um so when when fed interest rates go up high enough then it's harder to borrow money to invest in things less liquidity with less investment right and then like but when investment when interest rates

are really low like they were for one or two% then anybody can say [ __ ] I can make more than one or two% yeah and so I'll borrow borrow borrow bill bill bill bill bill essentially money was free money was free so why do they if inflation was so high why did they wait so long to bring because they had to wait till things slowed down because the reason inflation went down is because it was harder for people to get money for people to borrow money in that case um and Banks were less likely

to lend money than less money got down to the consumers and when less money got down to the consumers they spent less so people had less ability to raise prices companies had less ability When there's less spending they're buying less than sudden the stores start going we got to reduce prices cuz nobody's buying what causes essentially inflation is not this is the cause but there's more money than there are things to buy and that's when the currency just supply and demand supply and demand that's interesting way to do it like when you make money essentially

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or pound law pound 529 from your cell phone and uh you already know this but this is a paid advertisement let's get back the show question about increasing wages is that that seems like a very easy solution is that something you can just do you can just increase wages cuz if you're to your point though if it costs these guys more to make the goods because of inflation then you're asking them to also pay extra wages does it not put strain on them as the employer depends if you're selling enough right but it comes down

to like anybody here if they're good and you want to keep them and they want to stay ahead of inflation they're coming cut this off they're coming in and saying you but like to KLA Harris's credit she's saying we're going to increase minimum wage because if you're on you know the national national minimum wage it's different here in New York national minimum wage $75 there ain't nobody you know out if you're just a kid maybe whatever but if you're 16 and working in um fast food okay but like that's how you do it and if

you index the minimum wage to inflation then everybody has a chance to keep up and so you can't I think she's made a mistake by talking about gouging price gouging is the thing like right now with hurricane Helen somebody's price gouging somewhere and that's what it was all about where there's a crisis you know you want to stop price gouging and 37 states have laws against price gouging so she's just saying we'll make it national but it's not really a counter to that the real counter she you know and I think they'll end up talking

about this the real counter is we're going to help increase wages and the reality is they call it um real wages when the amount of money that you're earning is higher than the amount of inflation the real wages are you know significantly up over the last year because inflation has gone down but people have kept on getting their their increases so they're catching up on that inflation already so that that's been critically important and then you know you increase the minimum wage you increase the other way is to increase productivity so you know she's talked

about using um AI to improve the military a invest in AI as a country that's how you improve productivity and actually productivity has started to go up and if you look like in manufacturing there's twice as all this [ __ ] that I've been just geeking out on right I guarantee you once the election is over I'm not remembering this [ __ ] but like there are 55,000 unfailed manufacturing jobs and so when you talk about how do you improve productivity would you know you got to First have the people and when you there's demand

for people that also pushes up wages because when there's more jobs than there are people you got to pay more to get more so we're on the right track the bigger problem honestly talk politics Joe Biden can't sell [ __ ] he's the worst salesman just going to say that I'm like if things have gotten better during this Administration why does everybody still say so bad interesting how you've been positioned online and I think I felt guilty to it like you come out here you're kind of like you saying come Kama wants to do some

good stuff but you're also saying that she's not good at communting this obviously you're [ __ ] on Trump you're saying elon's the greatest on ever but you know like like I think you're actually quite fair I'm glad that you're sitting here because I think I think the positioning of you yeah and I'm sure that there's you know money maybe behind this but the positioning of you is you're I'm sure there's political benefit in positioning you as a radioactive uh operative by somebody else me yeah yeah no no I I think it basically benefiting I

get [ __ ] out of no you're just getting hated online I I guess what I'm saying is like if you have legitimate criticisms of the opposition they have to make you radioactive so because if a guy like you is coming out and speaking some good I think powerful truth all of a sudden they got to go we got to [ __ ] react to this can't just go oh he hates me right that's the easiest exactly I don't know I'm just trying to say I think it was helpful to hear hear you hear you

out but I interrupted you go what was I talking about oh sales sales right yeah Biden so oh my God it drove me crazy so like put aside him like kind of losing by the way having talked to him multiple times I think it really just accelerated over that period of time he wasn't like but put side that's that's already in in the past but like you know how they say sell the sizzle not the steak uh I've never heard that term but you never have that's great yeah you sell the Siz you don't sell

the [ __ ] [ __ ] Biden sells the steak he's going to tell you where the cow was born what the [ __ ] cow's name was you know and you know how you know whatever and he's going to talk about everything but the sizzle he just couldn't sell and they were pissed because I've said that I said that one time before and they were pissed at me just somebody I knew but that's the truth he can't sell [ __ ] and if they could sell then we'd be having completely different conversations now KLA

has been doing this 50 days now you know when she stepped in there's a process where she's got to learn to do it you know it's just you know when you went to working for yourself doing a podcast is different than a comedy tour absolutely and you you have different things and you have to learn yeah it was just peculiar to see y the it's it's just just peculiar to see this immense support for her out of nowhere like when she hadn't even said anything I think a lot of people were like finally she's here

she's our hero and I think the knee-jerk reaction to anybody who at least tries to be like unbiased when it comes to election is why the [ __ ] are you excited she hasn't even said anything she isn't Biden and I think there was some relief with that 100% yeah and I think if I viewed it as relief and not she's the one true Savior for us all I think I could have accepted it way more yeah yeah I was bothered that there was no platforms on her website for what a month two months whatever

no like beliefs nothing on just hey well okay so two things there okay so one she did come out and she was the anti-trump not in terms of what she said about him but just as opposed to I hate Taylor Swift Joy right you know positivity which I think is important if you're going to try to bring people together that's what you have to do you know um and I forgot the second one I part I was going to say um but DNC maybe the speed oh no no no no okay you're right you're right

so um so the second part of that is if you all of a sudden just take over a company yeah well first of all let me take one step back everybody who's ever worked for a company thinks they're smarter than the boss and would do it differently than the boss so when people say well why isn't she the same as as Biden like everybody else you know you're going to do things different than your boss if you take over but like now you take over and you can't just have everything in place it wasn't like

she was planning on running for president all of a sudden it was just like bam you're the one you got to go out there and she you know fell back on what she does best she gives the speeches she gets everybody happy she gets everybody fired up and then she start putting the pieces together which makes sense you what's interesting about like taking over a company or even like getting a new player on your team like I'm an xfan my whole life right any new guy we get the whole city is nah he's the truth

he's actually underrated he's going to take everybody's about their team Here Comes cat right exactly exactly shout out cat we love you you're the greatest I think that was a good move by the way great move great move but there's a but there is that excitement when you've already committed to the team I guess because I haven't committed to a team I don't consider myself either one so there's no reason for me to be excited but if you are someone who's like I identify as a Democrat I'm voting Democrat every single time that's a huge

plus she's cat she's cat she's cat I we had this person we had this person that was that we had this person that was not inspiring at all and all of a sudden there's new leadership our team is going to be successful again right 100% and now she's starting to talk and they're like it's going to be great I'm going to come in and we're going to do things right we're going to figure it out I'm going to learn the Playbook and so she's the new coach coming in yeah it was like low expectations and

she overd delivered she did great in that first debate and now all of a sudden people are like wait a minute I was excited and now I'm not let down oh wow this could work out and look she still got more things to do before Biden had that bad debate like she did not know she was running so I think if she would have just like jumped out there with policy and doing a whole bunch of interviews she would had way more missteps than if she probably would have taken it from Biden and the one

thing she should not have been and isn't is [ __ ] Biden yeah but she has a tough time going I disagree with him on that well because it's your boss yeah and he's still in office that oh that is another thing she can't say yeah he's [ __ ] up because you're there co-signing it so you got to coign the boss even though you're about to come in and kind of flip it so that is a delicate balance she's [ __ ] changing everything on the really say yeah what is she yeah you're right

there you're letting them in yeah I'm letting them in someone's got to build a stadium right he's like you you Lucas's Brothers do that over 7et you know can you play I don't care where you from can you play oh my Lord no why is she being harder on the border yeah CU like it Biden [ __ ] up there again yeah you know he went and I think a lot of this had to do with Bernie and Elizabeth Warren where they were kind of like the trifecta together and they [ __ ] up opening

up the borders they was just too open yeah and I I actually here's my take on Elon Musk on this right I think Elon Musk comes across online as an immigration troll yeah but I think what he really thinks I'm guessing is that because he's an immigrant he thinks when just people are flooding across the border and people hate those people it brings on hate to all immigrants and I think that really is what is underneath his hate for them that he doesn't really hate them but it's like you're bringing on hate all this [

__ ] is bringing on hate for me and my family and who I am so there're people who worked hard to legally immigrate here and they're getting a lot of this hate look bad yeah and I think that's part of why you know some Latinos and um you know other um foreign nationalities right that are here legally are looking of it because they like I'm getting all this backlash backlash right and I think that's kind of elon's way and I think KLA recognized that I really really do now I haven't had this conversation with her

her team on it but I think you know and I think Biden was late to the party to figure it out and so he let he opened the gates too much and she had to play along um because that's the boss and that's supp why would they open the gates and I understand there are some certain they didn't open open them right but they you know they were looking yeah yeah just just didn't do as good a job as they could yeah and I really nobody thinks they did a great job but you hear all

these conspiracies about and this could be like absolute nonsense but you hear these like oh they want to let in all these people so they can eventually vote I've looked it up they cannot vote they cannot vote that's elon's trolling so that is obviously trolling is it that like one day their children will have more empathy uh with the party that allowed them to be here and maybe they would voted didn't work for Obama if all these people now are not voting for her right you know it's just so what would be the justification for

it what is it just so think about why somebody leaves their country yeah they don't leave because every day is a holiday in [ __ ] Paradise they leave because something's [ __ ] up for some reason and I don't care who you are there's got to be a part in your heart that says if you know you're in Haiti and there are gang wars and people you know are getting macheted to [ __ ] death yeah I'm okay if you figure out how to get over here and so I think that was the sentiment

but then it went too far there's a point of in returns where you have to say yes you know I feel for them and I want to help them but this is not the right approach to do and there may have also been some people taking advantage of that empathy people who are not in dire situations who like hey I'm going to catch a lick right here yeah yeah for sure it's easier to get a job in America than it would be here or just yeah whatever it is right yeah of course people are going

to game the system one way or the other yes always going to happen don't matter this is a perfect example of what we were talking about earlier where like the you know bureaucracy just gets kind of uh what was it like runaway bureaucracy where you don't want to be the senator that comes out and closes it because you're where your constituents would be upset so you don't say anything it just continues to grow and now you have a problem all these people are hurt nobody's speaking for them it just blew up and now it's blown

up in your face okay so we can all at least recognize that there is an issue at a border because some people act like there isn't I think KL a little bit has been like what are you talking about we've deported the most people well yeah she's like doing protection for Biden when you almost want her to be like we needed to be stronger well see what pay attention to what she's doing and so she said she'd pass she'd signed that bipartisan bill that Trump said don't do it that would add 1500 border patrol agents

and add all these other features and Biden actually did this executive order that said we're going to basically we're going to get the number of um people crossing the border down to 1500 and said that just because you step foot on American soil which used to be the rule doesn't give you the right to apply for Asylum which is the 180° from where it used to be and to me that's making a successful move that's doing the right thing it's and now when you look at the actual numbers and you guys can actually look up

the numbers the number of U border um encounters is what they call it now is the same as when Trump left office pre pandemic so it's not like what he was doing had would had better impact but the question and here's the zillion dollar question what do you do with the people who are already in here right so you saw some of these numbers that Fox News put out that came from you know 13,000 murderers and you know 16,000 rapists true factual information what they didn't say though was they didn't just come across the last

couple years those some of those people that are in the country are in prison are under indictment or have and have been here 10 five 10 15 20 30 40 years they're trying to make it sound like this all happened under Biden didn't it didn't you know that's part of the [ __ ] that comes from like you said you know if somebody disagrees with you they're going to find something to throw at you easier to make you radioactive radioactive than to have like a discussion ideas great they are great both sides are great at

that like the Democrats just call you racist or you sexist or whatever it is and then the Republicans call you a cuck right you're a [ __ ] one come one comes from the candidate right and that's the difference so but now we are where we are so the question is whether is 11 million 13 million Trump says 21 million people who are not American citizens and aren't supposed to be here what do you do Trump says you just Deport him but he doesn't say how and how he does it is everything because you know

can you imagine is so and so here ah hide what again yeah remember that probably before your time there was a little kid Elon Gonzalez Gonzalez course yeah yeah like guns in his face was what yes yeah Elon Gonzalez do you want every Hispanic neighborhood every Haitian neighborhood to have 10 Elon Gonzalez's yeah he went back right end going back because he couldn't throw I think they tested his he was he said he was 12 and he was 22 we're like the kid is throwing 74 12 years old with location we're like we got to

keep him we find out he's 32ye oldan he's not even from cubaan doesn't matter you if they find you on a boat off the coast of Florida just say I am Cuban right they're bringing you Mark's my uncle but but think about okay Elon go up that's a bad look to be knocking every door and sending it back so they're yeah you're basically looking at is there a tasteful way to do it or do you find a way to uh not repatriate but do you find a way to give these people some form of what

Harris is saying is if they're a criminal you gone you gone you know all these you out if you're not a criminal that Asylum process you have to go through the paperwork and fill out and we're going to track you on it to make sure it works now she gets a little vague from there at least as far as what I know and so but Trump on the other hand just says you gone and I think I think that that Taps into the emotional reaction a lot of people have maybe they don't have a job

they've seen their job get passed on to somebody who's not you know legally here they have a lot of issues with it so they're like you know what [ __ ] you my job I'm not arguing with the sentiment not at all but you have to think through if you're an informed voter you have to think through what if he Elan Gonzalez is everybody if that's your family what the [ __ ] are you doing what's uh Trump's approach how is it different from Obama's approach was the deporter and- chief yeah he was and I

remember hearing some of those stories but he didn't just he didn't just yank him out but he sent you the paperwork first you know and he there was a process mom didn't even let his dad come send his dad back go back to Kenya bro you can't hoop go but no that is yeah I I don't think that we should necessarily like ascribe the term like racist or xenophobic to people who want there to be a strong border I think we got to get away from 100% so there are Democrats that do that particularly online

right they're going to call you names online just like they call me names you names all that [ __ ] um but from the presidential candidate yeah you're only hearing that [ __ ] from one side yeah you're not hearing it from both talk noted JD or Donald yeah yeah but I do think it is up to her to not let those extreme constituents sway her messaging because no agree agree age most Americans want I think a strong border 100% And they don't it's kind of peculiar you're like well why wouldn't you want a strong

border you know again if if you think that you're [ __ ] going to get macheted if you don't come but immigrant kids here we believe in Immigration we wouldn't be here if it wasn't IM second generation but you're allowed to have there's rules only white people do yeah white people jobs right no no no I think that's good okay okay okay I listen I know that you're a busy guy we don't have I'm loving this [ __ ] man I'm loving it we just have a lot of questions for you got how do you

feel about the climate of this election Trump two assassination attempts like do you feel the fault of the [ __ ] up right nobody's fault like I said there's 330 million people in this country you're you're not going to be shocked if it's two two idiots that do something now would have been crazy if it was Haitian dude that did something you know then you can like maybe point a direct line but you how can you account that dude that the second one who fortunately didn't get a shot off like he was insane but it's

still different it's not like this is happening every time Obama did you read that story about someone walked up to Obama's car and had a gun oh I did hear that there assination attempts on every President we just haven't seen them this close the one Trump yeah the one Trump was I mean Ronald Reagan Gerald Ford got shot at then they missed I think a quarter of all presidents there's an assassin that's what he said that's Trump said that yeah they're like gas station attendant it's a dangerous [ __ ] job it's like GTA did

you think about that [ __ ] like when you're considering running you got to go there's a 25% chance I take a bullet yeah yeah that that doesn't make me happy no yes like I get the V in your family it's a yeah it's an insane Endeavor are you going to ask your family every four years to see if they change their vote I'm one time yeah that that idea yeah I mean yeah but it does seem like you can make a lot of change without having to like if you can change the way health

insurance is done that's no exactly right and that was that's been part of the conversation with myself and you know that's my ego right that's my arrogance it's just like [ __ ] like when I'm said and done and I'm and I'm 6 feet under if they put he [ __ ] up Healthcare fire people are like done yeah that's yeah sign me up for that [ __ ] as opposed to he was president and [ __ ] unemployment was 4.7% yeah yeah I assume great you're like a a guy who's accomplished a lot of

great things you probably think about Legacy a lot is this the thing that you're aot no just until this just until this so This you want to be the the Hallmark of your legacy is I disrupted the entire Healthcare yeah cuz if I cared about Legacy I like put my name on buildings and dumb [ __ ] like that or you know buy a sports team you buy sports sports team doesn't give you a legacy typically not like a good Legacy like we're in New York um and so and I like and I like Jimmy

Dolan I was one of the owners that really like Jimmy he's a good dude shout out Jimmy great job with the sphere sphere is [ __ ] remarkable you guys might need one in Dallas man I mean that sincerely for real it was breathtaking no I remember going there when it was just being Jerry Jones assassination attempt that's what we need that don't even say that don't I like Jerry I actually like Jerry a lot yeah cuz you can never look bad with Jerry [ __ ] that come on you're the best owner in the

world [ __ ] guy yeah you're the Salvation to everybody in Dallas W you weren't a Cowboy fan born you moved to Dallas if you were born Dallas Cowboy fan you would know and Pittsburgh and we got the Pirates and every time I went to Pittsburgh um last week and saw some of my guys I can't go 5 feet without but Pirates Come onion guys bu the Pirates Come onion guys bu the Pirates and would you no you're done with sports teams yeah no more Sports I mean damn it if my kids get older and

decide that that's really something they want to do do it together yeah then I can see doing it together what about um there's a there's a thing feeling but I I have a question about there's a thing with buying a sports team right where you get to depreciate the value of I don't know if it's still the case when I first can you break down that tax loophole so it was you get to appreciate the value of your player contracts I thought it was the value of the entire team I think it was just a

player I don't remember it's been 20 some years um but I think it was just the player contracts that you could yeah you can look that up I I don't remember um but now that it's just so [ __ ] expensive to buy a team like you got to be richer than me to be able to buy an NFL team or you know even an NBA team by yourself those days are like long on like I walked in it was funny as [ __ ] like this is right when we sold broadcast.com and I was

just getting paid and I still had Yahoo stock and literally one day someone would say how could you pay 285 million which is that time was the highest I remember that they were like you're an idiot you're [ __ ] but that very day the stock price of Yahoo went up like a hundred bucks which paid for the whole team right it just paid for the whole team and I was like it's funny money it's all good now you moved to Dallas in like 82 yeah what brought you to Dallas and then was that the

team you always wanted to buy or so first of all I went to Indiana University and I had a bunch of buddies that were down in Dallas and they're like you got to come down here you got to come down here what was the reasoning they said it's fun weather's a whole lot better than Pittsburgh or Indiana and the economy is good and the women are hot as [ __ ] I'm like let's go so you know I had a Fiat 77 Fiat x19 and it had a hole in the floorboard it was just a

junker and you one of you had to put oil in and I got there and there were Five Guys living in a three-bedroom apartment and I'm like let me just stay for a couple days till I find a place to work stayed there 8 months N9 months got a job first working as a bartender barback um place called alons on Greenville Avenue in Dallas then got a job working in sophomore and that was my first real Tech job and that's what kind of set me off and then I got at nine months in I got

fired and um I'm said [ __ ] it I'm a lousy employee and started a company called micro Solutions and that was my first real business built that up to like 30 million plus in sales sold it to for 6 million bucks I got two um another guy brought in got um two and then all the employees we had eight employees split a million and um sold that I was 2930 bought a lifetime pass in American Airlines like you're one of those oh parted like a [ __ ] Rockstar so wait you still have the

lifetime pass you I gave it to a friend I gave it to my dad my dad passed and then I gave it to um a guy that I work with saves me money on and all that wait you can gift the let you do it one time one time yeah one time they gave me a second text Cu I stop using it cuz I got a plane so they cut me some slack and and let me give it to somebody you got a problem with that what an assho guy I'm hyped that he gets free

snacks I'm like there unlimited pretzels on the American Airlines flight wait so what is the what is the pat it's anywhere you want 125,000 one time look at doing your homework yeah yeah paid so I what's that you and a companion yeah me and a companion oh yeah a friend I um feel was where is it I sold my company got the check selling went out I don't know if you like they have them here oldtime steakhouses where they have the plugs for the phones and you can like call I'm [ __ ] up just

[ __ ] up out of my mind and my buddies going I mean like like barely speak and bang my head on the table and um my buddy's like what are you going to get like another car I'm not in car another house I got a house you know what I want I want to see if they have a lifetime pass in American Airlines and you know how like when you travel enough you remember the number so it's like 1 1800 43364 64 bam do you guys sell lifetime passes and they were like let me

put you in touch with the air pass Department I'm like hello here we go and so they sent me an application 125 grand for me and anybody else for the rest of my life to be fair it's 125 Grand like the early 90 so it's more than it is now so [ __ ] was but also American is the Hub in Dallas that's their [ __ ] Hub American Allies Arena too yeah I figured out 12 12 cents a mile 12 cents a mile like and so I moved to LA um because I broke up

my girlfriend moved to LA and I was living in Manhattan Beach and no lie like I'd go out to a club wow you've been to Vegas let's go to Vegas let's go to Vegas one of my buddies um what a dream let's let's go to Madrid okay let's let's go to Madrid first place want to go to Moscow okay let's go to Moscow oh it was insane it was insane insane you don't have to be the taxes nothing you just done if I did the Statue limitations is long on yeah did American Airlines not think

they were going to be around for a while like no no no they like was it like a million dollars today yeah probably like a million dollars today that's a lot of they stopped them because there were some dudes that would just like fly fly fly fly fly cuz I also got my air miles right they're literally like a guy I remember reading about it when they they talked about they closed it and I remember reading why cuz like a dude would fly from Dallas to Oklahoma City and back Dallas to you know Arkansas and

back back and back and back and back and back do the double miles triple miles and and so he just had like a zillion miles he was giving out and that was costing him a fortune oh he he would fly and then give his miles to homies what a guy dud what a mench yeah yo do you know the guy Andy Beal yeah the banker yeah okay there's a book that I read randomly about poker yeah yeah I didn't read the book but I know that the story so okay and he's actually a good dude

I like him his his kids are really cool so so there's this Banker in De if I'm not mistaken and he got into poker and he really got obsessed with it and he thought that he could take on the best poker players in the world if he raised the stakes enough to make them uncomfortable right so the idea was if they're just playing for like lower Stakes that he's going to get washed but once you get those those professional guys thinking about a million dollars a hand they'll start freaking out and they'll freeze up and

he can handle the losses yeah because he's really good at math math genius Math Genius but there's another thing that impressed me about him he tried to basically start SpaceX before SpaceX it wasn't SpaceX but it was a private satellite positioning company he was that I didn't really know much about so he was sending Rockets into the sky and the idea was he could do it for cheaper than NASA and the US government undercut him and they started doing it at a loss just to [ __ ] him up because and I understand you want

to control information I there's still [ __ ] up this is a different time but uh it just goes to show like like no one really talks about this guy I'm not saying he likes it that way he likes it that way yeah he seems to be private but like Elon figured out a way to do it and now it seems like the government works seamlessly with Elon not so much yeah they still [ __ ] with him but still but it's a better they straight up undercut like he found a way to do it

cheaper he could get the things up in the sky and you and NASA just came in was like H well we'll do he's not a fan of the government that I know yeah he's definitely not but he's a good dude man I like him he's just like loud and just like not real social but social you know like somebody you can't just sit and chitchat normally but he just loud and fun let's go you know type guy so I like him he comes to Mavs games a chill with him his kids come good dude interesting

like disposition to go after something like that like you interface and you are one of these people you you interface with a lot of these guys that that uh I guess are big dreamers and they can execute these big things do you find that there's a similar trait that you all have oh good question yeah you know that is a good question um I think there is I think like Andy's a good example um you just got to be a learner because you can't just [ __ ] wing it if you're trying to build something

either you can build it or you can't and you got to learn the [ __ ] required to build it if you're going to run a business you got to you you had to learn the podcast business you had to learn the tour business you had to learn the comedy business and if you didn't people are going to [ __ ] with you and if you can't do it then you're not going to build anything yeah information is the gap really a lot of people don't want to put in that int put in the time

man it's just you got to do the work like I can't even tell you how many hours a day like some of the numbers I would like I don't even know how to remember that [ __ ] but why the [ __ ] was I even reading that [ __ ] in the first place right because I just read and learn because to me like before the internet I used to walk through book stores and just like sit on the floor and read books I couldn't afford yeah and I'd be like one idea just give

me that one idea that that propels me and one piece here one piece there one piece there so I learned a lot about business now like on Shark Tank any type of business can walk in and before the other sharks even figure what the [ __ ] going on I know what their business is I know exactly what's going on and how it's going to work sometimes you tell them what kind of business you are yeah and you don't even know right they don't even know you got to know what business you're in but you

got to learn like what are the skills you got to be curious you got to be agile because [ __ ] changes and you got to be able to sell you got to be able to sell your tour you got to be able to sell your sponsors you got to be agile cuz shit's changing every day technology Chang sponsors changing how how much do you attribute to your uh Killer Instinct as the CEO when you're looking at other people that are running companies like are you comparing them to yourself are you um not really at

all I mean honestly like there's Investments I've made where I still haven't met the people really yeah yeah because I like I do a lot by email and you I'll just barrage you with questions via email and I and I can tell by how you answer whether you know your [ __ ] or not oh so you are assessing their personality not NE personality but their knowledge got it because if you don't have the knowledge your personality don't mean [ __ ] there's I just ask that CU like we had Dana on the podcast Dana

White runs UFC and uh he is so relentless yeah and it was one of those things where obviously I'm nowhere close to position to hire a Dana but I would understand why somebody would invest in him oh for sure he's a beast he's a [ __ ] beast and I respect the [ __ ] out of him we agree disagreeing some [ __ ] we almost got into a fight one time in a [ __ ] bar Dana tells the story cuz I was too [ __ ] up to remember he used to box back

in the day too yeah he would have kicked my ass for real I would have got my my choms in but he would have kicked my ass um but um we were at a club in Vegas and just started talking [ __ ] to each other for whatever reason because remember like I told you with Trump I was doing the MMA stuff and it kind of competed and so there were a lot of Fighters like Fedor who didn't fight for d because um he didn't think that he paid enough and this and that so they

were coming to me and we were starting to put together some fights and for whatever reason we got into it I again I don't remember all the details and Dana told me more than I remember I kind of remember it and it was just like you know more drunk ship but yeah he said it almost happened we and we it's funny because we did an interview together we both got interviewed at the same time and he was talking about it and I was like what oh yeah oh yeah yeah but he's one of those guys

he's like he is just going to walk through the wall like he [ __ ] beast and and I imagine when you're I I thought at least when you're looking at people that are running businesses and I wonder if that's also how he thinks about it you have a certain personality a certain disposition that you're looking for to lead a company there are certain people you know will just they're going to let they're going to let see that kind of personality like me or Dana or even Elon you're not working for somebody else uh so

that's the other thing it's like do you see that in some people and go this is going to be a problem uh ah for sure like you know you wouldn't just blindly write him a check though and be like you you got even like to h no I've written checks to people I've never met before like millions of dollars of people I have and I've done really well on it um but in terms of hiring people and I really suck at hiring I just I admit it I know it so I always try to give

like but if somebody's like that you're not going to be an employee for long but what if you make him the head of the company you give him a piece of the company still he's not like it's still my company and if it's what I want then he like he'll be telling me [ __ ] you so with that type of personality you need to just invest in them like it's okay to get a job to learn yeah you know and get your [ __ ] together because you know you can be 21 22 out

of college and you might have that personality but you don't have you have information you don't have the knowledge um and then sometimes not having the knowledge is to your benefit because you don't know what you don't know and you don't you're not afraid of anything and and you know that's the way I was when I first got started and I was the youngest guy in the room it's like oh you're an idiot I'm like okay right whatever right but you ain't going to stop me and and so um you know if somebody is that

type has that type of attitude they just got to figure it out on their own yeah and it may not even be you want to give them an investment because they might zigzag and you know and pivot 50 times was that was that you though like no I never for people oh yeah to work for people oh I was the worst you need to do it your way yes I mean like I got a job at Mel and right out of college and um P ass Pittsburgh yeah yeah and so I wasn't there a long

time and so I got this job and I'm reading this stuff and I see this thing I thought oh yeah the CEO of melon Bank who had tens of thousands of employees one of the biggest TW top 20 bank at the time and I just sent him a note to the CEO saying hey this could help you and he sent me a thank you note back and I'm thinking okay you know I just want to help my company make money and so then I did this thing called The Rookie Club where I got a bunch

of people who started right around me and I went and found some VPS to go out to a bar have a drink with us and talk to us about the company my [ __ ] boss went nuts just nuts because he was like you didn't do this through me and you didn't you know work it all out direct report boss yeah the guy I reported directly too not the big boss of the no no no my direct report and just went nuts on me and I literally started to cry I was such a oh it

was bad I was like I mean I was just so emotional cuz I'm just thought I was doing the same thing when I say cry I wasn't sobbing but I'm like Oh my contacts hurt you know how sometimes you just there your emotional and that tear comes and it's like you're not sobbing but can't wait to Trum Trump's next video is he's a cry CB he cried like a girl look Donald um but yeah so like I get the little tear go of my [ __ ] contacts you know um but yeah I was not

a good employee and then like I told you got the software job I got your business software got fired there interesting yeah yeah I just wasn't but at that point you know when I started that company micro Solutions after I got fired from your business software I'm sleeping six guys in a three-bedroom apartment I'm sleeping on the floor I was the last one in so like I didn't even have a drawer I had nothing so I had [ __ ] nothing to lose you know and literally my car had broken down that Fiat dusted and

the way I got a car this is I'm with my buddies we're driving up by Richland College oh yeah I went we're driving by Richland College and there's a [ __ ] old school Trans Am on the side of the road and it's just sitting there doesn't look it's not wrecked it's just I'm like I know for a fact because of my experience is somebody didn't pay the note on that car it's just sitting there so I opened the door and right there was the pink slip and all the loan information right there on the

the seat of the car I call at the bank I said my credits for [ __ ] right but I found this car for you would you let me take over the payments wow I got a car now I don't make these arguments a lot but like if a black guy did that he would be shot immediately I'm not to say like you just open up somebody's car what the [ __ ] well there was nobody around it wasn't like there people there was like it was in a lot it was literally on the side

of the road with nothing around nothing WR no I'm not going to just like even me right I'm not going to do that no it was on the side of the road there was nobody around be honest you were about to steal the car and then you got lucky you know I mean that's what that's what really happened you saw a nice Trans Am on the side of the road my hot wiring skills were pretty good now imagine I'm curious to uh young entrepreneurs or business owners what advice would you give them to either scale

or look for investors don't don't don't scale or don't look for investors don't worry about you grow your business at the business at the rate your business grows if you're worried but everybody wants their business to grow bigger you know and and you want to make more money one of the biggest mistakes entrepreneurs make is they worry about the Top Line more than the bottom line you know if I can get you know getting to a million dollars that feels good if you're spending a million or yeah if you're losing money or if you're hardly

making any money would you rather you know hit a million and 5 million and 10 million and then be losing money because you're spending it on growth or would you rather do 800,000 and put 200,000 in your pocket and then use that money to figure out how to grow more more profitably and so the biggest mistake they make is focusing on sales over profits and if and they also in terms of raising money man unless you are absolutely positive you don't want to borrow money to start a business because it goes from being your business

to the bank's business and the bank wants that payment back and if you don't pay them back you're done and it's over and in terms of raising money like if if you invested in any of your friends companies or invested in any companies no okay like own but I'm just I'm asking you but if somebody gives you money or if you give somebody money yeah the expectation changes yeah I would rather tell somebody get a second job and save your money until you got enough now if it's too expensive it's too much Start smaller if

you need some equipment like you need you know a mold that you have to pay for and it's 60 Grand to make the product that you want to make and and send it out then you know maybe but the richest richest richest [ __ ] are the ones that own a big percentage of companies yeah yeah okay that makes sense yeah and at the end of the day all that Blood Sweat and Tears that goes into it you don't want to be coughing up 80% of it because other people you some money keep it you

keep it because to be a billionaire there's one thing every billionaire has in common luck there's something that happened that made him lucky for me like when we started the streaming business is audionet like we had no idea where it was going and then all of a sudden the internet stop Market just blew up if the Internet stock market hadn't blown up I wouldn't be sitting here it'd be like one of those sliding door movies right you know and I wouldn't be there so you're saying it was the timing of the idea yeah yeah yeah

timing and the fact that the Internet stock market BL up like oh because that purchase from Yahoo right because we went public like we went public and and um we had the largest first day jump in stock price of any company in the history of the stock market when we went public and that all of a sudden I was worth $350 million and then the stock market just kept on going up and up and up and up and up and we were like oh [ __ ] me and my partner talk we could be billionaires

like for real and I'll never forget never ever ever forget so back in the day on a PC like you use Yahoo finance and you know how you hit the F5 ke to refresh I'm getting up I'm naked I'm sitting in front of standing in front of my PC because I know I'm close hit a billion did my little naked billionaire dance went back to work but it takes takes luck and I'll never forget that you know that moment what was the expectation going into it did did anybody say you guys could get the be

okay okay okay we knew that was possible because I remember having a meeting with our employees and saying look either this thing is going to be worth five billion or more dollars or we [ __ ] it up because the idea of taking audio and video and putting it on the internet nobody was doing it at the time and it wasn't like no one was going to think of it but nobody was doing it and we just went full bore just balls to the wall and um you know we were I mean we were YouTube

before long before YouTube like 10 years before YouTube even 11 years before YouTube even started and like we dominated literally dominated all things multimedia on the internet um the first anything that's ever streamed we did it no doubt about it yeah it was insane so we knew we we were killing it and um but then when Yahoo comes along and offers us you know 5.7 billion doll in stock .7 billion so they offered you $5.7 billion in Yahoo stock Yahoo stock you get the Yahoo stock do you liquidate I couldn't for how long six months

and so what I did was I took every penny that I had and I chucked with my lawyers and I shorted the um internet index and because it only oh as a protection for your five points7 it's like taking Insurance out on your on your NBA contract yeah exactly oh boy so just in case the internet bub pops you're protected on the opposite side did it pop in that time well not that time right so I lost that money but what I did immediately when I was allowed to to sell it um because I couldn't

sell it all at once it was just crater the market whatever um I did something called a hedge okay and what the Hedge is you can sell options so I sold call options which gives somebody else somebody paid me for the right to buy my shares of stock at a higher price at some point in the future and I took that money and I used it to buy puts which protected me in case the price of my stock went down and so this is like yeah and it was called so when it popped when it

popped I actually made more money it was called one of the top 10 trades on Wall Street in Wall Street history so you made 5.7 billion yeah 5.7 wasn't all mine so I made like a third of it okay so you're at about 1 1.9 minus taxes and [ __ ] boom um but it's you not being taxed yet right because not yet because I hadn't sold it but yeah so of that 1.9 how much do you make when you short it um so when I when I short it I lost the 20 some million

dollars when I shorted the index which was the first protection I lost all that money that's fine doesn't matter I was happy about that it's your it's good you rather keep the rather keep the stock and then because then like the next day I could put on the Hedge which is the sell the calls and buy the puts and that um worked out over three years CU I didn't want it all coming in so it was all planned out over three years and r tax I probably made an extra $3 30 $40 million just because

of that so you got your 1.9 out plus the next yeah 30 or 40 yeah plus little Vig and then you know it wasn't all at once it was like over three years and then I had to pay the taxes and all that stuff which I was glad to do you know so you pay the taxes let's say you let me just tell you right in a whatever it was $250 million check yeah isn't it oh no because it's what 20% the corporate tax back then it was even more it was back then it was

even more and which is I didn't care I had [ __ ] yeah I was like you got the [ __ ] you money hey this I got the [ __ ] you money yeah do you uh and I know we got to we got to wrap this up soon but but do you when you make all the money that you ever needed did you go through a time where like you were concerned about motivation where you were concerned about like what you want to do with the rest of your life like was there ever

like a sadness that came over you no not really because I mean I'm just I'm competitive I like to compete so you knew that you had to channel that into something else you like I'm going to retire if anything like like everybody gets impostor syndrome at some level you know and including me and so it was like okay can I do it again can I you know so interesting even doing it once you're like did I just get lucky can I do it again you win the NBA championship that's still not enough you got to

keep going so at a certain point when you have [ __ ] you money your family's good everyone around you is good you still have to keep on getting back on the bike if to be a human being meaning like you can't just sit back relax cuz that's what anyways not me different people are different mean I guess some people could write a book or do other [ __ ] but to me business is a sport you enjoy the act of I love like I tell people if you're going to comp with compete with me

I'm going to [ __ ] you up you know that's just you know it's like I'll still go out there and pretend to play basketball can't do what I used to but at the same time I still want to compete and if someone wants to bang with me in the pain I'll bang I don't care if you're 20 years old let's get after let's compete you know that's interesting and I think that's a good mentality cuz I think there are people that reach certain levels of success and then they retire and I think they're kind

of miserable I I don't get that at all experience that I've talk to other people I'm retired like some of my friends that I grew up with it's not like they made a lot of money but you know they worked a job the whole time and now they're retiring I'm like what the [ __ ] is that yeah what are you g to do they didn't love the job you love what do yeah I love what I do you know what are you g do jerk off all day's my tadil for you know 9 you

know that is yeah that is interesting falling in love with the the process and then just transferring that process to a sports you guys play sports you just get into it you know why do you go and play pickup all the time you know couple reasons that sound and that feel the ball going through the the hoop right and then just the competition like talk trash you're out there like that's the beauty of pickup you can go anywhere in the world and like I've been and hoop and play and people all know the same rules

you know and you you talk some trash but not too much and [ __ ] but you know if you win it feels good the weekend has made yeah and it's just like business is the same way to me yeah yeah that's a good advice that's a good advice I think a lot of us like especially in entertainment you're like okay I'm going to get to this point and then once I do that I don't have to do anything else and it's like no The Joy has always been the craft yeah and plus like as

you get older it's harder in entertainment right because it's harder to connect and relate the audience changes your audience matures and everybody goes through that yeah do you know I've been nominated for six Oscars what in one and Emy smartest guys in the room yeah yeah for what first movie I ever greenl so I got an email from um this dude named Alex Gibney a director okay he goes I have this video from this company called Enron I'm like I know who Enron is and he's like yeah show some shady [ __ ] and I'm

like do you own the video he's like yeah and I'm like what's the budget for this documentary he goes 770,000 I'm like I'll do that and so I literally green lit it in 12 minutes and he creates this documentary called Enron the smartest guys in the room which is insanely good it's great great and back then it was a top 10 documentary in um in revenues it's not close now but got nominated for an Academy Award then the next [ __ ] year right my partner Todd says we're going to invest in this movie are

you in I'm like sure it's about um the McCarthy trials and it's in black and white and it's got George Clooney and all these other folks and it's called good night and good luck good night and good luck get Nom gets nominated for six Academy Awards we didn't [ __ ] win any of them but we had an Academy Awards party at ananas and I swear I was doing body shots on Cindy Crawford sitting next to sitting next to Madonna trying to get her to do shots with me she wouldn't do it um it it

was and my pregnant wife is sitting right there Trooper Trooper yeah it was it was insane I remember that time I remember just you had like a real Midas Touch everything was just boom boom boom boom boom boom boom yeah but then you haven't heard of any of the other movies we've done since then shark NATO 3 shark Nat 3 thing ever the best thing about that movie right I told him you couldn't kill me you could not kill me because if there's going to be another one I want to be able to for cannot

be sh for watching them kill everybody else so like L fno the Hulk right he's like a security guardan and he die or protection for the president and he dies and so you have to they have to go through this whole thing to die before they put the special effects and so there's [ __ ] L fno and um oh Rick Fox and all these other and they're laying on the floor that's the funniest [ __ ] ever so yeah shark 03 was a moment in in history the the happiest moment outside of family kids

Etc is it the NBA Championship yeah yeah um no I'd say the picture of you at the urinal holding the lar amazing I knew knew no you know what I would say getting the money from broadcast.com was number one the NBA was number two yeah um CU that opened the door to everybody everything else but yeah I remember so I I had to piss we were just drinking beer and um I walk in to take a piss and I have the trophy and I'm think and all there's cameras behind me and I'm thinking if someone

gets a picture of this it's going to be iconic the best picture ever and there's literally a picture of me like yep I to get mil can you get it up Jo on oh he got it the greatest picture of all time okay so that's so the the first big sale is the best feeling but the championship was amazing cuz there're it was almost let me just tell you it was also antil climatic because you know it was like it happens and oh you guys did it in Miami didn't you oh that's right it wasn't

at home dude I watched that game with you at a friend's house yeah yeah was just unbelievable and he just carried the it was but there we go now he he started what one of 11 in game six and I'm so used to heartbreak as a Dallas sports fan that I'm like are we [ __ ] what's going on but then back the second half but like I'll never forget so the worst part like I'm super stupid stitious like beyond belief and so if you ever watched any highlights and they show me um from that

series I'm sitting there like this I've got a dyed Coke right here and every time we have the ball I have to take a sip of the Diet Coke and put it down and straighten out the straw because if I don't we won't make the hoop right I love it and so my face at the beginning of the game is like this by the end of the game my face to P at the for sure for sure for sure but but but so we get there and um we make a bucket yeah there we go

that is a [ __ ] fire picture dude yep and so we get this bucket to go up 10 by like with like 31 seconds to go yeah and I'm like oh it was the Leaning I think yeah Dirk shot over oh my God we're going to win and I and Brendan Haywood was here Brian Grant a guy who Works was there um Deshaun Stevenson was right there and I've got my arms around and they're just holding me up and I'm just screaming at the top of my lungs because the best part about about it

was the stress release because the uncertainty of whether or not you're going to win like we had [ __ ] up in 2006 and you just don't know and just that release that that moment of screaming at the top of my lungs was the best part of you scre before the game was over it it was over 30 it was over ack fan 30 seconds is a life that's regie Miller right not only did it lose 2006 2007 I don't know if youall remember you remember there were 67 and 15 best team in the league

everybody thought okay this is the year they got it first round I'm watching the whole thing dude I'm a Mavs fan we're losing to Golden State just getting dominated and that's when I was like it was a foregone conclusion to me we're going to win this year what the [ __ ] think D won the MVP because the team we played was our former coach he had all the every we yeah yeah but when when you win like I remember going on the court hugging everybody and just screaming and then it was like let's party

yeah but and the party was good but you know but it wasn't like it wasn't like World change it wasn't like the clouds opened up the Angels yeah it was more stress released than every than anything else it was almost anti-climatic once once we won once it Happ dude I I was the happiest I've been as a sports fan my entire life cuz when the Cowboys won Super Bowls I was too young to know how I was like oh that's what you do the Cowboys go to the Super Bowl I've seen every heartache I've seen

them be shitty in the 90s before he bought them so I remember being like oh this is this could never happen again I'd be happy was there was there like a player on the team you were really happy for was there someone who you yeah and Dirk yeah those two guys cuz they J kid was 38 and Dirk was 32 yeah and so like it come so close come so close come so close and so for both of them I was really happy that's why we built a [ __ ] statue for dirk yeah that

was awesome is there a really like a behind the-scenes story that nobody knows from that Championship run or maybe just even the craziest thing you've seen as an owner that you feel comfortable talking about [ __ ] um you there's so many things um but just from that run one of the things it wasn't crazy but it was just cool that everybody got together and said we're wearing black on game before game six yeah before game six because you wear black to a funeral and I was like oh yeah okay let that's that's a confidence

thing it's a like CU that backfires it really because I've seen it back since then I don't know if we were the first but we were one of the first and since then I've seen it backfired yeah yeah and if that backfires it could break you for game seven even right there public embarrassment whose idea was the uh I don't even know I don't even know but then I would assume Tyson Chandler out to TC like cuz I was doing interviews and walking by the locker room and you know they were they just started the

champagne and everything and I didn't know and I don't want to miss it but Ty I had no idea so Tyson saw me goes Cube get your ass in it drags me drags me in there and that yeah that was that also was one of the best moments when you're like doing the you know what you see on TV everywhere the champagne and screaming and the goggles or whatever oh everybody getting soaking wet I remember I knew how euphoric it was for you a postgame interview you just go shout outs to the Dallas fans we

pump Miami can't it was live I watch every minute of the post game I I'm a I was drunk as [ __ ] I was drunk I was drunk as [ __ ] because I we had the champagne and the beer and I was just pour storm was so confused dude was like all right and I told her I even said I might curse cuz I'm a little bit and she's like what ever it's live yeah you got to let that rip NBA champion man okay followup what is what what do you need to do

that again for this team Klay Thompson you think that's that's it I think that's a big diff look the West is so tough but we'll be better than we were last year Derek Lively had an incredible rookie season he's going to be better um PJ Washington and Gaff we got midseason they'll have more time with us they'll be better Kyrie and Luca will be Kyrie and Luca and then you know Jane har would be better but you add um Klay Thompson yeah and you know in Golden State they had to have him on the run

right he had to be motion all the time with us because Luca and Kai can create for other people you just need to stay in the corner just stand in the corner just stay in an open spot where you're most comfortable it's not like Steph couldn't do it but you you know it's just not their offense yeah yeah um and so I think that's really going to and also luuk and Kai just demands so much attention so much and then defensively like where our season really turned around last year is when we went went made

the decision to always have either Gaff or um drik Lively on the court so we always had a shot Walker that changed everything everything um because we went from 26 and 23 to like getting to the playoffs and doing some damage um and so that was I think you bring that back we get a little bit more cohesion because like even though it was the playoffs you don't have a lot of time to practice so we'll be better the problem is the entire western conference is going to be they're [ __ ] good I'm really

astonished y all recovered from the Jaylen Brunson departure the way yeah I mean Jaylen to his credit just got a lot better you know I did I did hit their podcast just because Jaylen asked me and um he wasn't as good nearly as good yeah if he was the same player he is today we would have maxed him out I mean we saw a little Glimpse I think in that that playoff run he dropped like 4 against Utah he had good games against Phoenix uh and then we lost to Golden State but I I remember

thinking I didn't think it'd be this but but it seemed like he just wanted to go to he wanted his own team for sure he wanted his own team he was always going to be second to just give a up we'll take something I'm Anno he took that pay I'm telling you what we would have paid him more but that's you know explain this the because my understanding is one it's amazing that he's even willing to do it but is he also basically Holding Out for the new CBA where he'll be able to get like

Max yeah what half billion he hasn't told me this I'm just guessing but he's like 28 now MH and so he did a three-year deal I think uh two or three two in an option so he'll probably opt out so he's 30 which is he's young enough the new CBA kicks in and then the daughter is going to be insane you don't want to have the five-year deal boy now you're 33 and asking for another 5 years you're a small exactly and I'm sure you could buy that insurance thing I don't know if players always

did this but the idea that you could insure against no you can and you do team like the teams pretty much have to ensure their top four players well the teams ensure for themselves but the players are starting to ensure no and they know that yeah they get that for sure what a smart thing especially if you're if you're going you know what I'm going to take a one-year deal because I'm waiting to see what else is in the market you can ensure against a future Max contract yeah whatever you want yeah but it cost

you more but yeah it cost you more but still like comedians should do that nobody wants us we don't have that for tour you know the weather the you know actually they you do they they do you do the weather for sure for weather for for cancellations like that 100% no no even for like getting sick or anything when you have a tour like any what is it called like outside factor that could stop the show but you can't you can't uh ensure for uh I don't want to go on tour next year right I'm

tired of that [ __ ] that be a grind how much of a grind going around the world like that it's the it's we're the luckiest people on the planet no but I know okay but how much of a grind it's honestly it's not that crazy like CU I couldn't imagine like all that travel all I get tired I do my body breaking down but you you you the elements [ __ ] with you a little bit you get sick easier and [ __ ] you got got insomnia he can't sleep [ __ ] with

you n he he's I don't know I don't mind it it's more this is what it is if you were just traveling the weekends and then during the week we got to hang out that'd be fine of course I got a you know eight-month old baby I got you know there's a lot of I'm come we're doing pods all week you come back that's when it gets crazy that's brutal but if you just weekend warrior comedian like I was early in my career like you're just you're playing pickup all week and then you go on

the road and tell jokes it's like what's wrong with that you in the nose exactly now they all think you're talking about me but we're talking about Brian dearis Bri when I've been spoken about with someone else have they referred to the other person we've been call nose nose for 20 years yeah shout out to Maris man A guy got you Brian he would open he works for he worked for you you said and now he's an on air reporter for the the oh dude he's the guy that cooked James Harden uh viral R anyway

he would open for me randomly at uh when I would perform in hyenas when I was in Dallas he actually took me to the practice facility once oh yeah yeah it was sick great practice this is like you guys had like ice baths and [ __ ] before it was popular we got it done early yeah it was uh it was cool stuff anyway dude thank you so much we can talk love to have you back onate than so much this is great man best podcast I've ever done it was