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She researched the tomb of Mary in Pakistan She said it's real it's there and that they built - - I think television towers right there right above the grave And they have a fence around it because they didn't want anybody - - fooling around with it But clearly - grave - markers Now let's go to the part of it claiming that Jesus went to Kashmir So this was the most dangerous part of our trip We went to Kashmir I took my crew to Kashmir - It was recommended by The United States government that Americans not

travel in Kashmir It was know it was war there Pakistan - claims Kashmir India claims Kashmir At that time India had control and they had soldiers with rifles every couple blocks - - It was a military zone I'd like to welcome to the show Paul J Davids How you doing Paul I'm doing well Thank you so much for coming on the show my friend I am super excited to talk to you Like I was telling you before we got started I've been looking forward to this conversation for a while - because we're going to talk

about - the missing years of Jesus and - this mystery that's been going around And you made a movie about - this topic called Jesus in India And - we're going to go down the rabbit hole a little bit because you actually traveled to a lot of different places around the world and - - investigated and kind of followed this - author who wrote another book about the same topic around the world and trying to figure out the answers to this First of all what made you want to make this movie - in general Well

the author of the book King of Travelers Jesus has lost years in India Edward T Martin had been suggesting to me for a couple of years - that - we make a film - based upon this - mystery and his book And I was slow to accept the invitation Let's say - I turned him down a couple of times as a devotee of Yogananda - - I look for signs Something - out there suggests to me what I ought to be doing And - I think it was in 2005 I felt that I was -

- receiving - - the suggestion from Yogananda that it was time for me to go to India And - what was going through my mind was as Babaji had sent him to the United States he was now sending me to India - Yogananda was And but how was this going to happen Well this was just something that floated in my mind during a meditation and I didn't know whether to take it seriously But I did begin to look for an excuse to go to India and my university - I'm a graduate of Princeton and -

I received a flyer from them about how they were having an opportunity - to go to India to go to the tiger preserves And I thought well maybe that's the answer So I put in a deposit - - And then friends - talked me out of it They said that's not the way you want to - go to India And then Ed Martin called me again He had asked me multiple times at various conferences about making that film - And he said paul I want you to know I'm going back to India I'm continuing my

research there I really think that what I do and my travels there should be filmed Would you consider once again putting this together I said give me 24 hours So I called up Anil Ermiel who is from India who - was - editor on my film Starry Night and an associate producer on that film And I told him I was thinking about it and would he want to help And he said absolutely - - He said I would forbid you to make this project without me And he had so many contacts in India he was

very capable of setting up the whole And So - after thinking about it and realizing that yellow hat productions my company had enough money in the account to sponsor this trip to India and get the filming underway I told Martin yes yes I've changed my mind We're going to make the movie - Jesus in India And from there the next step was planning - where we were going to go in India and it ended up being 4000 miles of different destinations Good Lord It's so funny that - - you say Yogananda because I think Yogananda

was the first time I heard - of the idea that Jesus was in India And it's a very intriguing idea And you know and I was I'm a recovering Catholic as I've said on the show many times before And to hear I always wondered that too As a child I was like twelve years old - - to 30 pretty much - It's a dead silence There's nothing there There's one sentence What sentence is it One sentence in the Bible covering those 18 years if I can quote it correctly I think it was - And Jesus

grew in knowledge and in wisdom and in favor with God and man - That covered 18 years I mean that's almost as good as the Indians takes the fort Kind of like just one line but it's going to be three weeks of filming In the script So it encompassed a heck of a lot So - the idea of Jesus being in India and after studying Yogananda and going down the yogic philosophies as I have the more I did my own research in it and I came across your film and came across these books and Yogananda

wrote a book about it as well and actually wrote a lot about - Jesus in India The idea started to make more sense - to me - personally - because a lot of the things that Jesus did - in me Jesus did - when he came back - - sounded a lot like yogic - - powers In your experience what are the connections between Jesus's abilities you know the things that he's doing the miracles that he performed - versus the miracles that Yogis performed in Indian traditions Well that's a tough question All right That's a

very tough question because you need to line up all the examples of - the Yogic miracles - Sure Yogananda mentions a lot of them in his book but I'd like to take it from another tack and say That Ed Martin - - had - spent his life researching this - project really - - for writing his book - He was a mountain climber he was a teacher of English - as a second language and he researched Jesus in India He got into - trouble in his - fundamentalist church when he began asking questions about those

missing - 18 years - - And he was told Ed Martin you should be worrying about your own salvation - not what Jesus was doing If God had wanted you to know that it would be in the Bible and that wasn't good enough for him for me the starting point on this Ed pointed out look the Bible takes Jesus up till he was twelve speaking with the wise rabbis in the temple and astonishing them with his knowledge So what would have happened next Well the next year he would have had a bar mitzvah He was

Jewish - He would have been 13 And you know that - once Jewish young man became a man through the bar mitzvah - - he was married off They always - arranged a match He wouldn't have been able to remain - a bachelor if he had stayed And then came the question about - the Silk Road between India and and Judea The story of the three wise men - - in the Bible and the fact that the gifts that were given was - gold incense and myrrh And Ed pointed out to me those - three

gifts are specific gifts - given by Rishis holy men of India All right to holy personages So why why gold incense and myrrh Unless - those three kings - or the three wise men were from India There was the trade route - on the Silk Road And - so the hypothesis was did Jesus return the visit by taking the Silk Road when he was about to reach 13 probably going with a caravan - - and go to India and spend many many years there So - how to investigate this - Well there were - many

ways of course It's like a 2000 year old cold case and - you can't absolutely - - prove it So you go with the adage that where there's smoke there's fire So you look for the smoke Where's the smoke Well one of them is that there's the Jagannath Temple in - Puri I believe it is in India - It's around 2500 years old And nearby a couple of things nearby Yogananda was there for years at the ashram - of his Guru Sri Teswar - - But also nearby is the Shankaracharya That title - is sort

of the equivalent of Pope in Catholicism the Shankaracharya There are actually I think four Shankaracharyas in Hinduism And I think the main one you would say is they are near the Jagannath Temple and - we wanted to have an interview with him And this is where if you want to interrupt for questions please No please no continue I'm sitting here like around a fireplace Please tell me Well - - I was told by - Anil who became a fellow producer of Jesus in India with me that there was - - no chance that I would

be able to get an interview with Shankaracharya Forget it - He said it's very very unlikely that Shankaracharya would even agree to see you and have your picture taken with him He said maybe Maybe I could Being you know native of India But we went there to the headquarters of the Shankaracharya - and - I got to see one of his I don't know whether to call him a helper an assistant or lieutenant And I mentioned to him that I should be considered an honorary - Hindu as a devotee of Yogananda - - because they

weren't going to meet with me as just a white guy from America But - fair enough talking to him about Yogananda he said this is a different story I'll check with the Shankaracharya - And the next thing I knew I was being ushered in to a room where the Shankaracharya was - with my video crew - and sat down there to - have - an interview which was - in Hindi Anil Ermil asked the questions - and - he later - worked on the translation - of it The Shankaracharya insisted - that their tradition is

- solid that Jesus was not only in India but that he was there at the Jagannath temple He practically wanted to tell me Jesus'course of study What becomes really interesting is that you see - many similarities between a lot of these Hindu teachings - and what became Christianity where Christianity differed so much from - Judaism which has a stern God a punishing God a God that - taught - an eye for an eye a tooth for a Tooth angry jealous - revenge secure - revenge Yeah And Of course demanded - worship in many many ways

and animal sacrifices And this was You know prevalent in in Judaism I'm ethnically - Jewish I have - not been practicing of Judaism - again I took an interest in the self realization fellowship and the teachings of Yogananda this is what - really - spoke to me But in Christianity it's not an eye for an eye It's the know - if someone - slaps you turn the other cheek Let him slap the other cheek If he takes your coat give him your shirt You know this is It has something in common with Hinduism and far

Eastern religion but not Judaism - So when according to these theories when Jesus at about age 30 returned and was baptized by his cousin John wasn't it in the Jordan River I think so yes So he was coming back with teachings that would challenge the very heart Of Judaism And you can imagine the Orthodox rabbis in Israel at that time were not going to be friendly to someone that wanted to tamper You know with with Jewish - religion which is - very strict - A lot of rules like Catholicism A lot of rules So the

interview with the Shankaracharya was just one of our - - destinations I also want to mention that Ed Martin who had been rejected by mainstream religious scholars and they didn't want to hear about Jesus in India - But as a graduate of Princeton I was able to obtain a video interview - with Elaine Pegels who is one of the great biblical scholars 1 of the one of the great experts on all of those - scrolls that were found I think the Dead Sea Scrolls Well the other scrolls there were a lot of scrolls found in

an urn Yes you're Did Nadha Mahari Yeah I want to yeah I don't know I think I know you I think I know you And they were They said a lot about Jesus'some lost teachings and Well I mean Yeah they talked about a teacher of wisdom I don't think there was a name attached but it was clear from those that a sect arose in Israel that challenged the prevailing - religious order So Elaine Paigles I got an interview with her and she - - personally didn't believe that Jesus was in India because she found the

concept very difficult That she called him a village rabbi Mm-hmm had gone all the way to India She didn't have any explanation for the missing years However - - as she analyzed it she said the thing is as biblical scholar we can't rule this theory out We can't rule it out As a good - academic would Yeah It's very cute you have new evidence You have to keep things open and fluid because - you're never right - No one's ever Rock star Remember the Earth used to - - the sun used to revolve around the

earth Galileo had a rough time with that situation So But for her it was even more than that In not being able to rule it out suddenly put Ed Martin with his theories on the playing field - as a serious religious - scholar And not a coup let's say And not a coup because Elaine Pegels can't say didn't happen Uh-huh all my authority I could say didn't happen - No that wasn't the tact that she took the film Jesus in India let me say it's streaming online It is It may be a little hard to

get the DVD Now The nice thing about the DVD is it had a lot of bonus features but the movie is streaming for free along with many of my other movies because I've made I think twelve feature films now many of them on controversial topics that I think would be - great interest to your listeners But - I have now set up my website The website is Pauldavids and thenartist com - It has my paintings It has hundreds of my paintings But now when you go to the menu the second category is films streaming and

it has the poster of I think twelve of my movies television series And if you scroll down and you go to Jesus in India you will find a link And I'm having a - problem remembering I think it's on Amazon And do that on It's on Amazon - Can be seen there for free And we worked - for a couple years on and it really tells the whole story with all the evidence that we could put together And there was a lot So let me ask you when Jesus was in - India during those times

- - in your movie it was insinuated that he stepped on a couple of Hindu priestos as well as a quote unquote troublemaker because he was starting to challenge - the ideas of - the caste system and Now this is the injustice within - the Hindu traditions as well It was suggested from our research that he may have needed to flee where he was in Truly troublemaker this Jesus kid Yes Yes And then - the story is that he went to the birthplace of the Buddha I don't know - - maybe Maybe maybe not not

sure It was - really interesting - about the missing scroll way up in Ladakh which is I don't know like 14 000ft elevation up in the Himalayas there is a Buddhist - monastery Hemis - monastery And - - I think going back almost 100 years now we can say it's been reported by many travelers that they had A an ancient document that spoke of Jesus's travels to inDia And there were about four or five - well known explorers - - who saw this when they were at Hemis - through the decades And it was translated

You can find - the document and - it begins after the crucifixion Do I have that right Well I know it's sort of a flashback from after the Crucifixion deals with his travels as a young man - in India And - the whole story is mapped out there about taking the trade routes and who he met with and how Christianity evolved from his travels and his exposure to Hinduism and Budhism We of course really wanted to see that - manuscript confirm that it really existed One of the people see this is where I don't have

all the names to the tip of my That's fine There was the Russian explorer - - Nicholas - something or other Yeah I forgot his last name but I think he was the first He was up there and - he broke a leg while he was there and had to spend weeks recovering there He was shown - document And then there was the great Russian painter Again the name begins with Nicholas and I apologize to your listeners - right at the tip of my tongue But he claimed to have seen the document also and confirmed

that it was there And a couple of other needed - noted people did as well Well when we went there we were shown the area where the document would be if it was there - without them confirming it was there I said these are our ancient - documents and they're locked here - They're locked You can't see any of them - And I looked at the cupboards the shelves - and the doors with just glass and - there were no locks on those doors What there was was a strip of yarn - just - tied

closed Anybody could have taken a scissors in it And no because the - head of the monastery had left - years ago with instructions that nobody was to open And there you go And they said until he returns Well believe me with the problems in Tibet - and the Chinese communists they didn't even know if he's still alive Was he ever going to return Well we had an interview with one of the monks there who said listen - - he's heard the story Out Eeeeee many times through the years And he said one of the

problems were if we were to confirm this this ancient document Christianity would be very upset - The Pope would not like that He made it clear that there was pressure on them You know so At some point something was exerted on them that they were not to reveal - this document anymore Politics Politics if you will But in his wording it was very clear that they had the document - but - he danced around it how he was talking about it It's really interesting because I mean I I just recently came back from a trip

to the Vatican and - I was over there so I know you've been there as well and - walking around the Vatican and going through the museum and going through St Peter's Basilica - And at least for me I just looked around I'm like my God this has nothing to do with has absolutely nothing to do with his teachings This is all about the power of maintaining power maintaining control And the And the one thing I did notice is and I don't know if you went through I'm sure you went through the museum as well

The embarrassments of riches That the By the way can I interrupt to say I just remembered Nicholas Notovich was The name of There it is Yeah there it is There it is the first Russian I still haven't got the name of - the - you It'll come to you But as I'm going through But as I'm going through that museum I'm just going my God this is just How much did they - pillage - over the centuries Because they had things from all sorts of cultures I'm like how the heck did they get this How

did they all get that And then like oh there's Raphael's frescoes and Michelangelo did this on the - Like it's so much And I'm like that's only what they show So then let's not even talk about the archives and what lives in the library underneath - the Vatican How much knowledge have they - taken over the years and possibly suppressed Who knows - Well there's a lot of claims that they have documents proving that Jesus but it doesn't go with the official story so - - it's not going to be I want to say -

I was at the Vatican and I had an interview with Monsignor Carrado Balducci - Yes Who was the lead exorcist for John Paul II And actually I didn't get to interview him there Where I got to interview him he had come to a UFO conference in Italy Amazingly Monsignor Carrado Balducci - was Vatican's spokesman - - to say yes there are aliens Yes there are visitors from space It's true - These are not angels They're not demons they're devils - They're not devils God created a lot of real estate Would God have wasted all that

real estate with all the other planets and stars And he said we should accept this We should greet them We may have a role in converting them Obviously - Obviously you have to convert them But he would - know that they're real - Well - the lady that had invited me to the conference Paula Harris - - she's Italian Harris is her married name She I said to know I'm making this film Jesus in India Do you think I could get an interview with Carrado Balducci about Jesus in India And she said oh my God

absolutely - not - Don't Don't go there Paul She said don't you dare bring it up - with him He'll never talk to you again He never talked to me again He doesn't want to hear about that because he thinks it's just nonsense So I said but would he let me have an interview with him about UFOs - and she said of course go have an interview with him about UFOs He won't object to that - - So being very clever obviously I could See where this is going Yeah I had the interview with him

about UFOs And Know you know Monsignor while I was - doing research about UFOs in India I heard from some people in India a very strange - story that I didn't know what to do with And I just wonder if you had ever heard of it because I see there are people in India that believe that Jesus was there in India Did you ever hear anything about that Well that opened up the door and he did begin talking about it - and he absolutely insisted it never happened He said the whole story of Jesus is

contained in Matthew Mark Luke and John of course and acts when I - asked him but what about - the missing 18 years - that are not covered What missing 18 years I've never heard of this I never heard of this No the whole story it's there And then I had a translator there that asked him again but Monsignor no it jumps in the Bible from age twelve to - And he just - played them and just said no This I've never heard of No - - And then he said this Jesus in India story

He said it's false false false Yeah You say it in Italian And when I put the film together I had the interview with the Shankaracharya who say absolutely it's true We know it's true Yeah he's very dumb about it And then we have - cutting back and forth with months and years saying false false false - So you get the divergence - of the points of view But I want to say by the time I came away from India I was pretty convinced of all the things we came across and that we found And not

only that the other part of the story if you will the dangerous part of the story as far as Orthodox Christianity is concerned is the theory the conjecture that Jesus survived the crucifixion that wasn't the end of his physical life in the human body Before we go Before we go down that road I just want to dive a little bit back in a little bit to Because I definitely want to ask you about that as well - Going back into his time in India I'm going to play devil's advocate no pun intended And - a

lot of people thinking like well what's the point Why did this little 13 year old Jewish boy decide to jump on a caravan - and go as a tourist or something over to India So what is the purpose of it I kind of know the answer because I've studied Yogananda But what did Yogananda have to say about that in your travels What did he have to say about that I'm not sure Remember what I I know that Yogananda emphasized the return visit of the three - wise men And I don't know whether - the claim

was that they - back and then he went with them I don't got it Well I mean if you look at But I do think if they were getting ready to marry him off He's like I got He left it He didn't want that So because it's And again from looking at it from the eyes of a - - spiritual master in the - yogic philosophies and the yogic traditions and the Hindu traditions those kind of things like oh you have a mission in this life You need to be trained Here's your master - You

need to be trained in this this and this because - this is what you came here and it's kind of revealed to them Just like it was for Yogananda just like it was for Yukteshwa Lahira Mahashai Babaji And this lineage that we're talking about in that one just very small lineage very powerful but small lineage And there's so many lineages of yogic - - of Yogis and masters who eventually become ascended masters But that again because of that knowledge that I had when I heard the story of like oh yeah the Three Kings or the

Three wise men came back hey it's time for your training Let's go And they take them to India And then I heard and I don't know about you I heard he went - to Egypt as well and he went to Nepal in the Tibetan Himalayas as well Have you heard anything about that Not Egypt just Egypt as a child - It's in the Bible - But - Nepal Tibet There's a very interesting ancient painting showing Jesus in Tibet With the I mean it was clearly in Tibet Of course I don't know that it was thousands

of years old It could have been hundreds of years It'd just been based upon the legends But one thing we haven't touched on that's very compelling about all of this the connection between - Christianity and - India Mm-hmm All right through St Thomas So Interesting after - the Crucifixion at some point Thomas - did go to India - It's absolutely a fact - - there are Thomas Christians - in India As a matter of fact my assistant director on the film was Thomas a devout - Thomas Christian And - in - Chennai was called Madras

and - - now I think it's called Chennai or Vice versa Not only do they have - St Thomas's original Christian Church there which it was rebuilt I mean it had to be restored but that's where it was The foundation is still there It has incredible artifacts we filmed in there and there is a Grandiose basilica - HoNORING ST THOMAS THE BaSILiCA OF THOMAS THERE in ChEnNAI And - why Why Jesus sent him - to India - - why - - To spread - the good word to spread the teachings in India And it worked

I mean his presence there did become the foundation - - of Christianity - in India It's incredible But this - connection between Jesus and India is there - proven historically through Thomas And the Catholic Church acknowledges this because John Paul II went to the Basilica of St Thomas - - in India to honor Thomas This is the Thomas the doubting Thomas who know unless I can put my hand in the You know I'm doubting Thomas did go to India The Catholic Church accepts that So - for those who are the skeptics or scoffers or -

dismiss this why - did that happen That's historic fact There was this connection between - Jesus and India It was important to him It's also well that gets us to that second part of the story you didn't want to get to yet go for No let's get there now ALl rigHt - And - let me just say that let's bifurcate the story It's two different - theories One is the theory between the ages of 18 and 30 And - there's a lot of where there's fire there's smoke There's a lot of smoke for that You

see it in the movie The other is the claim that Jesus - didn't die on the cross - that he was taken down that he was still alive - They had to take him down because - by the end of the day it was Sabbath - They weren't going to have them up there on ON the CroSs at THat point But he was on the cross they say what five or 6 hours And usually - it took people - who were crucified a lot longer than that - to die And then The the lance -

piercing his side was that the blood and water came out Well if he was deceased the heart wouldn't be pumping to pump the fluids out of a wound You have a question there So the thought is of some people that when Jesus appeared afterwards to the disciples it was really him the one who had been crucified And when he said to Thomas feel my wound put your hand in This is where I was pierced That was That was Jesus in the body - They say according to this theory it was also described that not only

he ate with the - - mean why would a discarnate spirit who had come to appear before his disciples to eat - It's not consistent It's only appropriate for a physical body And then he walked ahead of them - to was it Galilee And then that's a very human - thing to do It doesn't sound like a spirit the way it's described - in the New Testament at that point And - there came the feeling that he had to get out of town because if he was supposed to have been executed and they didn't finish

it he didn't want to be found there So the theory was that he with his mother Mary departed to go back to India there's a twist in this that became the very basis for why - author Ed Martin spent so many years of his life even investigating this He was in the Peace Corps - in Afghanistan before the wars before Russia - came in and had the war before the United States - Before that he was a Peace Corps worker in Afghanistan - - And he said one day he liked to drink beer and he

went into wherever you could get a beer there I guess it must have been an American embassy because the alcohol may have been forbidden otherwise And there was a beer there that he'd never seen before called Murray Beer and it was spelled M-U-R-R-E-E-I think - And he said I've never heard of this What beer is this And - the Afghani serving him said well that is from Mother Mary That is from Mother Mary because she died in the town in Pakistan that we call said what You know there is a tomb for her there There

is a grave for there sir What How is this Oh yes yes When she was coming back to India with Jesus - she died en route in Pakistan and they named the town Murray - That's why we have Murray Beer The first time Ed heard this story and you got to realize Ed was very much a fundamentalist I mean he was raised that way He went to church three times a week - For him his life was about Jesus and understanding Jesus'life When he heard this it just put his head into a spin and he

thought what they're claiming Jesus was in India So that began - his quest And then another researcher who passed away recently and again sorry I've forgotten her name but she wrote a book about Jesus in Kashmir His claim was his final destination was - Kashmir And she researched the tomb of Mary in Pakistan She said it's real It's there - - And that they built - - I think television towers right there right above the grave And they have a fence around it because they didn't want anybody fooling around with it - But clearly grave

- markers Now let's go to the part of it claiming that Jesus went to Kashmir So this was the most dangerous part of our trip We went to Kashmir I took my crew to Kashmir It was recommended by United States government that Americans not travel in Kashmir It was know it was war there Pakistan - claims Kashmir India claims Kashmir At that time India had control They had soldiers with rifles every couple blocks - - It was a military zone And when I got there with my crew my crew - - well our objective was

to go to the tomb there That is said by some - to be the tomb of Jesus to be the real - - actual - tomb of Jesus And - they rattle off all the reasons why it's acknowledged by the Muslims - there that this is of a holy personage - - Wasn't cremated as Hindu would have been And the positioning of - the casket is - east to west in the Jewish tradition not - the Muslim - tradition And there is a stone carving there of the Prophet's - feet - showing the crucifixion scar

on the foot So you start adding all this together Well when I got there - - I was cautioned Paul you and Ed Martin you cannot go to the tomb - It's in a Muslim district They might kill you - - So my friend - and co producer Anil he led the Hindus on - my team there to the tomb And it was forbidden to film in the tomb at that point in time - because the Muslims were so upset They say it's a prophet from Egypt all right who had been persecuted in his homeland

and - he came here - where he was treated Well You know they are no friends of JudaIsm - They wouldn't have said it's a prophet from Israel - He lived his early years in Egypt so they say he's a prophet from Egypt But - - they didn't like the speculation - about that because in - Islam - - there's a tradition about Jesus I think ascending to heaven And it's - blasphemy - to claim that - Well my - crew - - snuck into - the structure - that houses - the tomb - and

filmed there They didn't get a lot of film They didn't get as much as I would have liked but they did get some film - And as they were - climbing out a crowd of Muslims had gathered A policeman had come over Oh good They were getting ready to arrest them And this is all on film because they kept the cameras rolling And there were Muslims there screaming what have you done This is blasphemy - - And The police there was a policeman there was getting ready to arrest - Anil But Neil said look I'd

like to talk to you about this a little Said I'm he said you know I'm I'm a fan I'm from India - - Goa I think And the policeman He said he says I have a nephew who's playing in a soccer match - - this weekend in Goa And - Neil said oh really I have a relative who He plays soccer in Goa Maybe they're playing They began a friendly conversation you see over soccer - and the policeman said go just go And - - that was the end of the arrest - - Was that

lucky That's amazing So you see Alex before we - conclude because - going almost an hour now and I know we can go a little bit over but I do really want your listeners to know about some of my other films as well Absolutely And I definitely want to get to that So I just have one more question in regards to To Jesus From your - research into the whole story of Jesus and what is your ideas or what are your thoughts about The Council of the Council of - Nicaea Nicaea - and removing certain

books - and basically structuring the story narrative of Jesus By the To my understanding the Roman emperor Constantine did this Yes because the Christians were just getting out of hand and we need to control the situation So - let's say hey I'm a Christian now too and here's the book And kind of like if you can't beat them Join them but control it what is your understanding from your research about what happened at the Council of Well that is what happened You've described it very well They got rid of whatever books there were in the

Bible at that time that didn't fit with the story I think I've heard that reincarnation was in some of those books Mm-hmm I think it probably included the Gospel of Thomas which - Lane Pegels of Princeton is an expert on And - it was at that time I think that they decided which were going to be the holy books of the Bible and what was going to be excluded And it was a political decision Shocking it would seem I'm sure there are many believers who feel though it wasn't political it was inspired by God He

was instructed Obviously we can't say we don't know There's so much we don't know about all of this and it'll never be a solved story But what makes it so interesting - that it's a mystery with so much evidence that goes against - the traditional - beliefs of Christianity and doesn't detract in any way from the world significance of Christianity It changed the world as we know it Look how many billions of Christians there are today - and - how many people - believe they find their salvation through that How many miracles are reported And

- believe me I'm a believer in miracles and - many of those reports One of my films before we say goodbye deals heavily with Our lady of Guadalupe Mm-hmm the Hispanic American emblem if you will for Mother Mary based on a miracle that happened in 1531 with an encounter between a peasant and - a Holy mother who imprinted her image on his cactus cloth - that should have faded away and - - dissolved and been decrepit in 50 years And here it is - about 500 years later And the image - of - the Holy

lady is still on that cloth that never deteriorated Never deteriorated It's still on display in Mexico City - at the Basilica of Lady of Guadalupe And we filmed there with the movie Before we say goodbye but - - I want to mention - - what has been really I think it has become well my chief worK I've done a lot of work about UFOs I was the executive producer of Showtime's movie Roswell - Some major stars Kyle McLaughlin Martin Dwight Yokem That was 1994 Recently in April a film I was executive producer of called Accidental

Truth UFO Revelations - came out and this really brings the UFO story - right up to date Many of the people who were in the latest of the congressional hearings - are in the film including Congressman Tim Burchette I'm very proud of it It's a must see - But apart from the interest in UFOs and special effects my film the Sci-Fi Boys I have made three films that all have the title the Life After Death Project the Life After Death Project One the Life After Death Project two Personal Encounters the Life After Death Project Three

Seance Encounters - And again if you go to my website I'll say it again pauldavids com and you - go to the menu and then click on films streaming You find access to all of my films including these three about life After Death This became of absolute supreme importance to me - - in 2009 This whole question about can we prove that there's life after death And - is spirit communication in some cases real between someone who's deceased and a loved one who's still alive strange strange things began happening in my life my great mentor

in film Passed away Forrest J Ackerman He was an atheist He didn't believe in life after death He was also a futurist though he invented the term Sci-Fi - he was very very - interested in science fiction and how it projects the future that we might have He said to me Paul - - he was about 92 at this point He said I don't think there's any life after death I think it's like - an old computer When the motherboard goes throw it away that's the end of it - He said but just in case

it turns out that I'm wrong he says if I wake up after I die to some great science fiction convention in the sky he said maybe I'll drop you a line - If I could I'd drop you a line So now I've I've I've I'd try He said don't count on it - for God's sake for God's sake No he wouldn't say that He didn't believe in God either - at that point He didn't I think he's changed his mind now that he's passed away But - what happened was see he was an editor An

editor So what does it mean to drop someone a line - In my case it happened - with a piece of text with - a document I printed out of the computer I went out - The ink had been drying for a couple of hours I knew the ink was dry I was alone in the house When I came back I picked up the document It was normal and ordinary I was out of the room for five minutes - And when I came back the document had been strategically - targeted physically changed Four words had

now been blacked out by some kind of ink or something that was still moist What happened There was no moisture when I left the room - And it was so neatly done it was clear those forwards had been chosen - I was alone in the house What do you get from that I get a ghost - I was scared I was scared really - at first because I wasn't thinking You know about Fory - Forrest J Ackerman we called him Fori - and that this could be the line He said he was going to drop

me Well if you see the movie the Life after Death Project One you'll see what happened in my life because of that - blackout Of those four words that went to the head of the chemistry department Purdue University Mm-hmm Jay Siegel who's now deceased and then the document went to the College of New Jersey to a chemist there I had scientists working on this - for years who came away Not only did weird things related to Fari start happening in their lives - just from investigating this but they're on record as saying science can't explain

this And you'll see it in the Life after Death Project One - also involves fabulous scientist Dr Gary Schwartz University of Arizona Tucson Written many books He has studied mediums for about 15 years - - separating the wannabes from the ones that really do have a gift And we filmed a couple of those who have a gift in life after death Project one And you will sEe it's absolutely extraordinary what they're bringing across from Mm-hmm Forrest J Ackerman who died at the age of 92 I was his friend for - - most of my life

I met him when I was 13 years old I won a contest in his magazine I was a teenage filmmaker and - when I got to Hollywood studying at the American Film Institute center for Advanced Film Studies I spent a lot of time with Fari whose house was a great museum So I'm telling your listeners - you can see that for free It's a must if you want to - see an extraordinary array of evidence - that personality life - survives the end of the body that wherever it is whatever form it takes can reach

out and still communicate with us It's real Most of my life I never would have believed in it but it happened to me Then there's the Life After Death Project two - personal encounters in which I have talked to around 20 different people from all walks of life You know librarians archaeologists nurses doctors people who can confirm that - they've had - contact - from deceased friends and loved ones It's real - by the time you've seen number two this incredible wealth of evidence And then number three - - is the Life after Death Project

Three - seance encounters The others are on Amazon This one is on Tubi - - and seance encounters We were actually given permission to film - seance and do research paranormal research at the - home of the late Forrest J Ackerman the home that he had owned We were there with a team of scientists for four days and three nights and - that was all filmed - live That's what you'll see in number three So - I encourage your listeners those who are watching to explore that I want to mention just one or two others

of the projects I have a project - that's done completely in fun It's maybe sort of a cross between Monty Python and weird Al but it's called Professor Hack hard drive hacks the universe - That's on Tubi You go to my website you can have a link to it on the Tubi channel And this is me having fun where my father was a professor Georgetown University And I created the character of a funny professor I called Professor Hack Hard Drive Who speaks in rhyme - about all kinds of controversial things about the crazy modern world

that we live in today So that subjects tattoos is one of the subjects - WikiLeaks - airport security marriage and divorce It's yeah It's well worth seeing when you have the time And since it's 19 separate skits each one about four or five minutes particularly the one on tattoos - and one on the Big Bang those are early in the movie It's called Professor Hack Hard Drive hacks the universe Well I appreciate that I appreciate that I'll put a link to all of this stuff in the show notes to make sure people can go check

out your other work Now I'm going to ask you a few questions to ask all my guests - Yes What is your definition of living a fulfilled life Well I think I've lived a fulfilled life - because I felt - driven to create projects - that would open people's minds - to - things that they may have just outright rejected or never considered but things that I think have merit - and are probably - real Some of these things are scoffed as - conspiracy theories - whatever that means I mean the point is - -

when you look at the topics that I've chosen I've chosen topics that broaden the mind as to what reality really might be as opposed to just what conventional thinking makes us think The other aspect is not just this opening of the minds through the topics but - painting I'm a painter I have Vincent's I'm a child One of my films is about Vincent Van Gogh called Starry Night I've painted now hundreds of I just I know I've always had a gift for it - But Thanks you talk about what's a fulfilled life It's been very

fulfilling - to me - - to leave these - artworks of beauty which will be - one of my legacies So there's been that There's been books I've just - - lived a fulfilled life in every way And family too because I've been married 51 years to the same Congratulations There you are How do you define God Well I don't think we should try to define God I think God is beyond all definition Fair enough - But The the aspect of God what I think that the - word implies is the prime mover the prime

creative force by which all of this that we experience - - exists And some people don't believe there is a prime moving force behind all of it I look at the intricacy the structure the design - of everything - around us how it all interconnects and I say to think that there isn't a vast intelligence behind all of this - is nonsense I couldn't agree with you more - And finally what is the ultimate purpose of life I don't think any of us knows the answer to that question The ultimate purpose I think I think

there are all different kinds of ways that you can live your life There are certain ways that are - more constructive to helping the human family and there are ways that are really - destructive And there are a lot of people out there that are driven by terrible destructive even murderous impulses and lack of honesty and willingness to steal and - losing all self control and devoting themselves entirely to drugs or whatever it may be they've lost their way - So when we're saying does life have a purpose If it has a purpose it's not

any of that You know it's too It's to try to live - life in a way that we can - fully appreciate the - extraordinary mystery of creation That's what it is for me And last question do you think that Any of it anytime in the future - will people accept this idea of Jesus in India Will the mainstream eventually check 100 years 200 500 from now Well I hate to be a pessimist but the fact is since we can't prove Jesus in India without - documents that are a couple thousand years old in our

hands to be examined I mean we're having enough trouble proving the Shroud of Turin right There's a lot of things about the Shroud of Turin that would make you think this must be the burial shroud of Jesus And then they come up with a carbon dating - that contradicts it Well there are people that are challenging the whole nature of the way that carbon dating was done and still insist there's no agreemenT I don't think there'll ever be agreement about whether - Jesus was in India just as like there won't be agreement throughout all of

mankind whether Jesus was the Messiah But - some people will accept it And it's wonderful to contemplate but maybe it's more important to contemplate Jesus's words and the message of his life that we know about already - and that this about the India origins of some of Christianity It's a know it's a historical - curiosity But what Christianity is trying to say is look at Jesus's life as we know it - - Look at what he taught Don't go away from what he taught It's of value to everyone regardless of what your native religion is

- I think that's important because I was not raised a Christian Yeah but - - there you go Paul it has been a pleasure sir talking to you Thank you so much for not only having this conversation but the work you've done to enlighten the world I appreciate you my friend Thank you again Thank you for having me Thanks for watching Click on one of the videos below to continue your journey And don't forget to subscribe