Elon Musk STUNS Jordan Peterson

are you shocked at the fact that you're donating a substantial amount of money to facilitate Trump's election is that something you would have believed in the realm of possibility say 5 years ago what's been reported in the media is is simply not true I'm not donating $45 million a month to Trump and now what I have done is I've I have created a pack or super pack what do you want to call it which simply call it the America pack and the you want to tell everybody who's listening what a pack is because people oh

it's a political action committee it's an organization it's a legal entity that can receive funding that funding can then be used to help with political campaigns yeah okay and how does that differ from a direct donation there are specific limits on Direct donations to candidates and the pack system is the way of putting a a political structure in place that sort of runs parallel with the political with the formal political system and yeah you can donate money directly to candidates that amount is fairly small then the says and you can donate a lot more money

to political action committee or Super PAC there are various rules that govern the operation of packs and super packs but that's it certainly allows for a lot more money in the system than would otherwise be possible and these are used I to be clear on the Democrat and Republican side yes and I I actually think that so it's an open playing field on the pack side yes yeah yeah what are you hoping to accomplish with this and what's the pack called this it's called the America pack America pack okay to remember it's very easy to

remember and it's it's actually it's not meant to be sort of a hyperism fact it's actually the core principles of this American fact are the intent is to promote the principles that made America great in the first place so I wouldn't say that I'm say for example Maga of make America great again I I think America is great I'm I'm more M make America greater and and there's some core pillars core values that have I think made America great um could you elucidate those yeah so one of them is being a meritocracy as as much

yes as much of a meritocracy as possible such that you get ahead as a function of your hard work and your skill and not nothing else yeah which is you know what why I would be opposed to for for example things like Dei Adrian wridge documented the fact that the alternative to meritocracy historically is nepotism and Dynasty absolutely it's not Equity it's not Equity correct it's nepotism and Dynasty so that's very much worth knowing okay Ry has its price because it's a severe judge but the alternative is nepotism and aristocracy or Dynasty okay so meritocracy

clearly America it's not like America's been purely a meritocracy but it has been more of a meritocracy than any other place which is good that's good that's good which I regard as good yeah promoting meritocracy promoting freedom freedom to operate meaning the least amount of government intervention possible we we want and and this is I I think important to fight as because the natural tendency over time almost entropy is that go the hand of government gets heavier every year y the laws and regulations accumulate every year and these laws and regulations are Immortal that's the

evil Uncle of the king a very old story very very old Story the Egyptians were wrestling with that problem 4,000 years ago yeah so you have to have some you have to really have take an active role in reducing the number of laws and regulations otherwise as more and more rules regulations are passed eventually everything becomes illegal and you start getting into these orwellian situations where then everyone's poor and miserable where action a is illegal and action B is illegal and there isn't anything you can do that is is legal take an example of to

give example of some laware that was leveled against SpaceX for example we were told for many years that we could not hire anyone who was not a permanent R they had that so SpaceX develops Advanced rocket technology which is considered an advanced weapons technology because it's a core part of like inter intercontinental ballistic missiles yeah so there are only a handful of things in the sort of highest level of weapon technology and Rocket technology is one of those because we could deliver a payload and basically bomb anywhere on earth right from anywhere on Earth so

we I was told no in certain terms by the government that if we hired anyone who is not a permanent resident of the United States have either green card or a citizen that I would go to prison oh yeah because the presumption if somebody's not a permanent resident is that they will leave the United States and take the rocket technology from SpaceX to to potentially to countries that would cause harm to the United States pretty solid reasoning I think and then a few years ago the Biden Administration decided to sue SpaceX for failing to hire

Asylum Seekers right right yeah I remember that I remember that we are told on the one side that if we hire anyone who's not a permanent residents we we we go to prison now we're told if we don't hire Asylum Seekers who not Asylum not people who have been granted Asylum Seekers Seekers they aspires to Asylum they are therefore not a permanent resident but if we don't hire them we also go to prison the purpose of being damned if you do and damned if you don't is to make damn sure that you're damned correct so

that's a kind of that seemed to be insane and unfair and why did divided administration because they can only process they can only do so many big cases per year there's a finite number they can yeah why would the justice department of all the injustices that occur pick this as one of their biggest cases yeah why why do you think I I think they probably had a I don't know there was some lawfare I think it was a I think relationship to you I don't know all the things but this is before supporting Trump or

anything like that yeah in fact I supported Biden and before that Hillary and before that Obama so that's why I was asking if this comes as a shock I don't know if it it could just be random it could be like they didn't tell us what why pick us why do such a crazy lawsuit random is a bad even if it is random that's still bad that's just a marker of incompetence but if it's not random it seems to highly unlikely to be yes and also why attack B sex and not say Boeing or locky

I think part of it might be that sex is not unionized and the Democratic Party in the US is fundamentally controlled by the unions so that I'm speculating here but since we're not unionized we're I think a very happy Workforce and I'm out there on the out there on the factory floor I don't see a few people are happy it's a good vibe they're engaged in something ridiculously exciting at minimum that's not nothing people can go a long ways if they're part of a project that's aiming at Mars let's say that's definitely aiming up that's

really exciting that's a real opportunity for people what do you think of trump I'm not going to I'm I I I don't subscribe to culture Personality yeah so for me it's really just got a choice of administrations and we have to pick one yeah and I think both there are flaws on both sides what do you think his flaws are he's a complicated person and I've been trying to Suess him out and figure him out because some of the things that look like flaws might be advantages in Disguise he seems to me to be pretty

good at standing up to Psychopathic bullies for example sure and that's a useful skill and it's not easy you have to be a bit of a monster to manage that and it isn't obvious to me how many of the even the divisive idiosyncrasies of trump are the mirror image of his capacity to stand up to bullies right that's a tough call man so you've obviously decided to lay your what lay your efforts down on the side of the Trump Administration in the forthcoming election and so yeah I would it's really I think we need a

change of administration I I think many years ago the I think probably the Democratic party was the party of meritocracy and of personal freedom they used to be the Free Speech party and these days they seem to be the censorship party under the of hate speech so weirdly the in my view the Republican party is actually the party of that's the the meritocracy party because the Democrats are also promoting Dei which is really just another form of racism and sexism it's the most pernicious form I think actually so it's anti- meritocratic di is f fundamentally

anti it insists on dividing people by groups as the primary what would you say conceptual distinction between individuals race ethnicity sex I think Democratic party is stoking Division I think the evidence for that clear all of this group identity nonsense has made things much more I can see it in Toronto when my kids grew up in Toronto downtown I would say they were race they were race ethnicity and gender blind yeah they had a unbelievably diverse range of friends and no one cared sure and even in Toronto that started to shift around with this emphasis

on group division it's a really ugly thing to see so yeah not good not good yeah so my view and it's that at this point in the United States the Republican party uh is more in line with uh Mar am meritocracy and with personal freedom so I've never had a conservative many times with my left-wing friends let's say they'd refuse to talk to someone me included definitely because I've invited prominent Democrats to come on my podcast in great numbers for a very long time and I've got like absolutely nowhere with that they'll talk to me

in private they will not talk to me in public and so that's never happened they're afraid of being shunned absolutely 100% that's what they're afraid of sure definitely and they they they've told me that it's not a secret but that's never happened on the Republican side I found it much easier because I've talked to a lot of Democrats and a lot of Republicans and I found it much much easier to talk to the Republicans and that is somewhat of a shock I wouldn't have necessarily expected that yeah and but I should be clear that I

it's not like I think the republ party is Flawless uh it certainly isn't it's got got its issues U there are extremists within the Republican party that I don't agree with but one has it's a two-party system essentially you got to pick one or the other and so you weigh the the good and the bad and my opinion is that and you flipped the coin we need that the country would be better off with the Republican Administration than a Democrat Trump was pretty good at not having Wars yeah yeah which is actually quite a big

thing it's really a big thing and what he did did with the Abraham Accords that was a miracle I think no absolutely he should have got the Nobel price for that I I think this there's something to be said that America needs a strong leader and with the that you have the perception of strength yeah now you you have to admire Trump after getting shot with blood streaming down his face it could have been a second shooter who knows uh nonetheless was was fist pumping fight f after being shot and this is not he's an

ordinary guy he's funny too yes and he's Brave he has this is instinctual courage it's not calculated it's not some some arranged event it's in the moment you can see that then cuz that was not a time when you're good you see true courage in the moment absolutely and if if you want a leader who's going to deal with some very tough cookies out there who's going to deal with with a PO Kim jongan or China yeah China and they will be in they will be they'll think twice about messing with Trump yeah and poor

Biden can't make it up the stairs and obviously he's stepped out of the race but it's nobody's going to be intimidated by Biden it's it's impossible but I think they will be intimidated by a guy who was pist poping after getting shot we saw that I think in his administration because it was peace did Reign and that was quite that's a bit of empirical evidence can I ask you a little bit about one of the things that you've been relatively vocal about and I understand that there's a personal connection to this as well I am

for what it's worth I'm particularly unhappy with my what my colleagues in the psychological field have done with regards to gender affirming care I think they are a pack of contemptible cowards and I think that everyone who's been involved in this in relationship to minors should go to prison I agree okay why do you agree what what's your orur in the water in this particular this is the worst medical and psychological malpractice I've ever seen anywhere including what I've done what I've studied in reference to historical atrocity Eugenics what do you call those pre labotomy

even the sorts of things that were going on in Nazi Germany at least the bloody Nazis knew it was wrong and tried to hide it yes okay so what's your why are you engaged in this particular battle you said you're going to move a couple of your company headquarters out of California because of the last legislative move that Gavin new pulled with regards to the trans issue so yes there to be clear it was there were many things leading up to that point yeah I just and I was look it's it's not that it's the

one straw it's just the final straw yeah okay so it's a accumulative issue fair enough it's accumulative issue so it's not dramatic grandstanding it's no and moreover I had conversations with Gavin new before where I said if you pass legislation like this if you sign legislation like this in my view puts children in danger I will move my companies out of California he knew that ahead of time okay and okay you've talked to him directly about this what the hell is he doing I I cannot understand I really cannot understand the Democrats he pandering to

the Fallout why did the Democrat moderates constantly Pander to the far left I worked with the Democrats in California for 5 years trying to get them to separate themselves from the farle they wouldn't admit that they existed even and they certainly would never separate them they wouldn't admit for example that antifa even existed sure burning down buildings there's this unbelievable blind spot with regards to the far-left radicals and the moderate Democrats are I think they're useful idiots fundamentally yeah going back to the the so-called gender affirming care which is a terrible euphemism that's for sure

it's it's really a child sterilization is what it should be no there's mutilation too yeah we want to make sure that amalgam is turn it's child mutilation and sterilization yeah under the guise of gender affirming care and compassion right right I can't I literally can't imagine anything worse than that yes it's evil I mean you're taking kids who are obviously often far below the age of consent yep fused miserable yes the reality is that almost every child goes through some kind of identity crisis it's part of puberty exactly it's just part of growing up if

so it's very possible for man for adults to manipulate children into who have are having a natural identity crisis into believing that they are the wrong gender Y ande and that they need to be the other gender or they need to be a boy or boy needs to go be a girl and that the and then that will solve all their problems and that will solve their problems and and then they give them sterilizing drugs which are called also aoma pu puberty blocker these are sterilization drugs so they can never have children again y they

can have m double mastectomies the mutilation have their forearms stripped to build nonfunctioning penises yeah it's maob and we have an age of consent for a reason that the reason you can't get say tattoos below age 18 or drink or drive there are ages at which you can do things because if we allow children to take permanent actions when they're 10 12 14 years old they will do things that they subsequently greatly regret yes I've interviewed a couple of people who've done exactly that and it's damn painful so I think you and doing why are

you willing to make this an issue do you think it happened to one of my it happened to one of my older boys where I was I was essentially red into signing documents for one of my older boys Xavier this is before I had really any understanding of what was going on and we had co co G on and there was a lot of confusion and I was told oh a might commit suicide if he that was a lie right from the outset no reliable clinician ever believed that there was never any evidence for that

and also if there's a higher suicide rate the reason is because of the underlying depression and anxiety not because of the gender dysphoria and every godamn clinician knows that too and they're too cowardly to come out and say it and so that and then we end up in exactly when I saw that lie start to propagate it just made the hair on the back of my neck stand up I see so you're telling parents that unless they agree to this radical transformation that their children are going to die and you think that's moral and you

think that's true that's so P that is so pathological that it's almost incomprehensible I can't imagine anything worse of I can't imagine a therapist doing anything worse than that or sitting by idly and remaining silent while his colleagues are doing it it's incredibly evil and I agree with you that people that have been promoting this should go to prison uh I it won't stop till that happens yeah it'll just go underground there's all puberty blockers are being accessed online by kids all the time through non-medical channels yeah it's not going to stop okay so I

see so that's so I I into doing this um and it wasn't explained to me that puberty blockers are actually just sterilization drugs anyway and I lost my son essentially they they call it dead naming for a reason yeah all right so the reason it's called deadnaming is because your son is dead so my son Xavier is dead killed by the woke mind virus I'm sorry to hear that yeah I can't imagine what that would be like yeah yeah and there's lots of people in that situation now right it's not pretty and lots of demolished

kids yes yeah that's a good that's a good reason to be the final straw all right so let's so I vow to destroy the the woke M virus after that and we're making some progress join the club yeah