What Sam Harris Realized About Palestinians That NO ONE Else Did

one of the greatest challenges that the West is dealing with is that we simply cannot comprehend the mindset of a jihadist now thank God for that however the downside here is that we have jihadists and we have to understand that they are actually committed to death we can't relate to that and if we can't relate to that then we continue to try and negotiate with someone who just wants you de they don't want to negotiate here's a fantastic conversation between danor and Sam Harris understanding the mentality of a jihadis let's watch this together yeah I

we just have to be sober and honest about the difference in the the worldviews here so like that the Hope from the secular left is that if only Hamas and all and and the the other Palestinian who came across the border on October 7th to to rape and kill and if only they understood the character of the people they were victimizing they wouldn't have wanted to do any of that right there's a there's a big there's a misapprehension of the other here at the bottom Here If Only They knew how loving and filled with compassion

the kids at the Nova Music Festival really were they would recognize if you just held that mirror that moral mirror up to to them they would recognize oh my God what are we doing this is these are the wrong targets of our hatred right no right that's just not the case they understand exactly who they were targeting and it doesn't matter that's not that's not the level at which this animus is formed there's a belief system about spreading the one true Faith to the ends of the Earth waging holy war and dying in the process

of killing infidels and Jews and apostates and having your children die under those circumstances that is the best thing that can possibly happen to you it's the only certain way to get straight into Paradise without any math to be done on your account on the day of judgment I mean you just go straight past the Velvet Rope into rivers of milk and honey and the thing that secular people have to get over is their initial doubt and it takes it can take people this can be an ins superable obstacle for people that anyone really believes

this stuff like like you know I have met anthropologists who are absolutely sure that nobody believes in paradise and that it's all just posturing it's all just politics and economics and it doesn't matter how many people when you hear the person's reasons when they State their reasons when you have their martyrdom video when you've bugged their mosque and you know what they were saying in private about paradise and about 72 virgins when when the people who are telling us that we love death more than you infidels you Jews you Israelis you Americans love life right

they are being honest now yes I'm sure you can find the the one case of the person who was forced to say it or the one case of the person who was posturing but the idea that most jihadists most of the time aren't being honest in their view of paradise and their their expectation of paradise um it's just it's it's disconfirmed by an endless number of examples and what's amazing is that that they can do no wrong with respect to the rest of world opinion right or so much of world opinion right that's that's the

thing that is diagnostic of this whole moral delusion again it it does sort of follow Paul burman's brilliant Insight that okay as you make make the violence against the Jews as Extreme as you want the more extreme you make it I'm going to blame the Jews more and more for whatever they did to inspire that violence right like that's the that's the the math going on in the background and that calculation started running on October in our most enlightened institutions apparently and it's just it's B it's based on a fundamental misunderstanding of of what Israel

has faced and what the West faces and what honestly what the the Muslim World faces with a subset of its population I mean that the endgame here is not that America and Israel finally kill enough jihadists though I honestly think near term that has to happen I just think I think military victory without apology over groups like Hamas has to be the the near-term goal and any negotiation with Hamas of the sort you you just described or any other you have to recognize is always them just buying time for the genocide that they are are

going to try to commit when they are strong enough to try to commit it and by the way they don't even they don't even pretend I meaned khed Michelle who's who's one of the two leaders of or was one of the two leaders of of Hamas internationally he was interviewed soon after October 7th by one of the Arab Satellite Channel journalists and she asked him what I mean what's the solution is there is there a way could they give you something where you would say okay we're done they have a state we and he said

one state a caliphate not just from The River To The Sea so basically not just from east to west but from Roshan nikra down to a lot meaning from all the way from the north All the Way South meaning it's all ours it's all ours yeah the endgame can't just be the successful promulgation of a endless war against jihadist I but I I don't I don't think that's avoidable but I think the real success will be something like two billion Muslims recognizing that they want no part of jihadism right and that they anathematize it and

Cordon it off and collaborate in its destruction right like like they have to view jihadism the way non-muslims who are the victims of jihadism view jihadism because the truth is the most common victim of jihadist atrocities are Muslims themselves right if you just look at it you as a global phenomenon there's nobody suffering the consequences of jihadism more than than the Muslim Community worldwide so the the thing that is so toxic and so destabilizing is this reflexive and tribal solidarity we throughout the Muslim World simply because these people are Muslims in in conflict with other

with with non-muslims with with Israelis with Jews with you know westerners you know who who can have a lot to apologize for for colonialism and imperialism etc etc there's some story there's that that aligns them by default with again PE people who are behaving like total Psychopaths who don't if if you actually look Clos at what they want they don't want what most Muslims worldwide want I mean most most Muslims worldwide do not want to live in anything like the caliphate as envisioned by the Islamic State or Hamas right now an uncomfortable number actually do

right I mean that this is the the larger sociological and political problem that we have to face but we again includes some considerable number of secular Muslims liberal Muslims moderate Muslims merely conservative Muslims who still want no part of islamism or jihadism I me you can you can divide this into into an increasingly complicated vent diagram but we have to win a war of ideas with the Muslim World in a hundred countries to draw a bright line around this species of religious fanaticism which is again only it only exists within Islam it's only within Islam

that you're facing this kind of death cult Behavior it's only in Islam where you know you take your life in your hands to criticize the faith as a member of the faith or someone outside the faith I mean it's I mean just look at the experience ofon right I mean like he he spent you know 30 years dodging theocrats and eventually you know got stabbed on stage in in in the the center of the center of the center of secular tolerant American you know peace Ling politics and the meme that's that that is preventing an

honest conversation about the scope of this problem is this notion of islamophobia that it gets trotted out immediately the moment anyone starts making noises of the sort I've just made on this podcast and it has to be seen for what it is it is a it is a conscious effort to conflate any criticism of specific doctrines within Islam doctrines that are leading to a kind of violence we see nowhere else doctrines around martyrdom and Jihad especially and apostasy right and and and it's and it's draw it's trying to draw a specific analogy to antisemitism right

so they you have anti-Semitism on the one hand yeah or racism right it's just not real right I mean so so explain that why isn't it real well for a number of reasons one is you just have to look at the differences between the two religions I mean so so and anti-Semitism hatred of Jews is a real phenomenon because the Jews generally speaking are both conceive of themselves as an as an ethnicity and a race right and you know there's there's some conversion into the faith but not much and they're conceived by their enemies by

the people who hate them as an ethnicity and a race it was certainly racialized by the Nazis and a lot of that thinking has been plowed back into to the Muslim world so there's been there been a lot of you know import from Nazism into the anti-Semitism that's that's exist in the Muslim world so it is true to say that most anti-semites most of the time are people who hate what they imagine the Jews to be as a race as a people it's not that they're worried about specific doctrines within Juda Judaism and what those

doctrines are translating into into politics and into the behavior of extremist Jews you know that no one's getting on a plane worried about you know whe that whether it's a suicidal extremist Jew who might blow the the plane up right it's just not that's just not what's happening right the concern about Islam and the specific ideas within Islam that are producing this death cult Behavior under the the ages of jihadism and producing the the the increasingly bullying Behavior that's at odds with with modern secular pluralistic values under the egis of islamism um that is a

concern about the specific ideas and what they're getting people in a hundred countries to do and and here here the difference between a missionary and a non-m missionary faith is crucial because Islam is an aggressively missionary Faith it's probably the fastest growing religion on Earth to say that someone is Muslim is to say absolutely nothing about their race or their ethnicity or I mean it's like you and I could become Muslim in 5 seconds by converting right on this podcast right which would be a first for the call back podcast um surprising as as that

would be we could do it it's it's Islam is a set of ideas it's not a race it's not a it's not an ethnicity it has nothing to do with with a person's nationality everything I say about Islam that is derogatory applies just as much to a western convert from Marin County like you know John Walker Lind who was fought with the Taliban and it has absolutely no application to people who just happen to come from countries like Pakistan or Somalia or who don't share these ideas right so to call it racism is a complet

logical non-starter and when I talk about Islam being of unique concern as a religion and a set of ideas right the what I get hit with from the apologist for Islam uh whatever their actual other commitments happen to be is he's just an islamophobe and a bigot and a racist right I mean this is why I got hit by you know with Ben Ben Affleck I watched it I mean your abil your ability to trigger people knows no bounds we we've since buried the hatchet but yeah that's that's what happened 10 years ago yeah so

what the thing we have to realize is we don't want more jihadists and islamists in our society and what does that mean it means we don't want people who are coming into our society with no intention at all of sharing the values of our society but in fact are coming in with the conscious project of using the values of Tolerance and pluralism to subvert the the those very values right so like to come in and say you have to tolerate my religious intolerance uh to the breaking point right you have to talk and and that's

what to to a remarkable degree that has happened in Western Europe in a way that is clearly unsustainable right and and it's it's clearly produc producing a backlash of right of of you know right-wing bigotry and intolerance you know this is this is a line from David from and I think it's true like if if if liberals won't police borders fascists will right and and and eventually you know left-wing secular confusion about the character of the of these failures of assimilation bringing in jihadists and islamists into into countries like the UK those failures will produce

a right-wing backlash which will will create support for you know genuine fascists on the on the other side right