College Killer Thinks He's Getting Away With It

[Music] so do you know if I'm going to be able to go home go you aren't going anywhere what you did last night is [ __ ] up you killed somebody just hours prior to this interrogation 20-year-old Isaac Pence brutally stabbed someone to death and fled the scene over 20 college students watched as Isaac viciously took the life of their friend Charles Starner unfortunately for them they were in the middle of the woods staying in a vacation cabin in Ohio help was far away and Isaac was on the run over the course of the next

few days this group of college kids would work with police to hunt down this evil killer together and bring Justice to their friend who was senselessly killed but Isaac thinks he's getting away with it I that most [ __ ] and you think that's funny everyone got way too drunk about 15 of them all wanted to come outside and try and jump me just yeah I woke up and my mom's like hey cops right here for you I was like what the [ __ ] do you mean the cops for me on the night of

April 22nd 2023 23-year-old Dalton flag was celebrating his birthday day with friends and family at a rented cabin in Hawking County Ohio but what should have been the perfect night would quickly turn out to be a tragedy this is the CCTV footage outside the house after a long night of drinking an altercation ensues between a group of teens Isaac stood in the midst of the argument with his girlfriend Sabra watching from afar after a few seconds of back and forth Isaac snaps throwing a punch into the crowd this made them push Isaac back into a

car where he would strike the crowd again before setting off towards his own vehicle however moments later the fist fight quickly turned into a gruesome scene outside of the camera's view Isaac ran back to his car to grab something but before he could exit his car again he was quickly cornered by multiple people trying to force him to leave that's when Isaac pulled out his knife and attacked Charles Starner the college student pushing on Isaac's car door went on to received six brutal stab wounds struck in the neck and the back Panic set in as

everyone realized the horrifying scene unfolding in front of them one of Charles's friends quickly grabbed him and pulled him away from the vicious attack Isaac would then quickly get inside his car and drive off into the woods with his girlfriend Sabra the killer Isaac was now on the loose and would spend the following hours attempting to cover his tracks Charlie on the other hand the student he just stabbed limped over to his friend fading in and out of Consciousness Charlie's friend Hannah was an EMS student but the injuries were too brutal for her to keep

him Alive by the time paramedics arrived on scene it was already too late and Charlie would pass away officers at this point have no idea what led to Charlie's death anyone at the crime scene could be a potential killer so they immediately rally everyone together looking for outliers all right you want to slide them over so I can move my that is detective Summoner right there she's going to start asking question nice to meet you top of the morning yeah great night who saw what happened I saw everything happened why don't you come stand over

here you saw what happened too stay separate but stand over here anyone else the two people who just stepped forward are Hannah and James and they are the only two who are entirely drenched in blood you have a phone um I believe it's okay right to the side of the cor just stand where you're at this you blood on your pants or shoes we're probably going to take your hoodie James's blood stains appear to be those of a witness since they were smooth and smeared if he was the one who stabbed Charlie the blood patterns

would likely be sharp and Scattered across the body as for Hannah all of her arms were covered in blood indicating that she was likely trying to stop Charlie from bleeding out by applying pressure regardless it's clear the two were eyewitnesses to Charlie's murder so detective Summers and her counterpart would immediately conduct an interview with both James and Hannah to get a clear recollection of [Music] events right that's a body cam sitting up there on the dash all right tell me what you saw what happened what led up to all these events so I had been

inside the house once you go in once you go in and you go to the right there's like the whole kitchen family room blah blah blah blah blah well uh there's this one kid the whole party that cuz he knew I had background at EMS was calling me firefighter firefighter firefighter and so I've shown him some pictures from like different like fires I had been on and then somebody got mad at him for talking to me which wasn't even any guy that I really knew well so they started fist fighting inside like right in the

doorway once you go into the right and uh the kid that's covered in blood um Jimmy Jimmy and I were kind of standing off to the side and I told him I was like I don't like this it's like I mean everybody's trying to tear it up and stuff like they were still wrestling they got out into this main Corridor right here in front of the door but I was still sitting like at the kitchen table so uh I could kind of hear what was going on but once again I didn't want to get on

a fire well I heard somebody say gun and that's when I was like I'm definitely going to stay in here they're out here fighting like right in front of my truck the Toyota 4Runner and uh Jimmy the kid that's covered in blood was trying to separate him and I think what happened is he pulled over to his center console pulled a knife out and when he did he went straight for the neck that's how he got the neck wound for his back for his back again and he got him again in the back I want

to say it was like five stab four or five stabs but I mean he did like I mean it was very fast very vigorously the moves Hannah describes are not supposed to be used to protect yourself from the attacker but to kill them one poke or a stab might be enough to deter the attacker but four or five of them to vital parts of the victim's body is a clear indication that Isaac intended to kill so kind of explain this to me a little bit so they were fighting I guess fist fighting over here on

this side yeah they were fighting on this side okay and then what happened that guy I think his name is Isaac he got up came over to his car which was right where got up so he got knocked down I don't know I I was standing on the porch at that time he was over here on the porch yeah okay but I just saw them all go down there he was parked right next to the Forerunner so he went to get in his car and that's when everything happened but I saw him start stabbing Charlie

so that's when I kicked his door to kind of stumble him and then I pulled Charlie away and then on to the other side and that's when I was we were all just holding him did he know he had a knife at that point you think no nobody knew okay and then after that I like I just kept my arm around Charlie to pressure on all of his wounds and then that's why there's blood from this side of the Forerunner over cuz after I drug him there that's where I sat the whole time until you

guys got here it just I trust my gut feeling and tonight was just not right and that was terrifying I understand completely it was just an absolute show and I came out on the porch to make sure like I was honestly kind of scared I was going to get shot because they had said you know there might be a gun but I wanted to be here in case somebody got hurt and had called over the phone and threatened to come back and finish the job further confirming to police that this was not an act of

self-defense while Jimmy and Hannah's interviews provide detectives with a clear picture of what led to the stabbings both Witnesses had never met Isaac before however police still know nothing about the actual person who committed this murder so detective Summers decides to bring in Dalton the party's host who also happens to be sabra's brother and he would reveal some Twisted information crucial to solving this case so walk me through how long have you guys been here um we've been here the whole weekend um yeah we we we got here Friday uh like 4:00 p.m. I think

it was um and literally like all these people I was making sure everybody had like safe rides home I didn't want people driving like if you're driving like there's plenty of room to stay you everybody could stay and I was making sure everyone was leaving and Isaac Pence the one that he was belligerent and I said dude I was like you have a safe ride to go home just leave leave there's no like just no there's no reason for anything you're like everybody's going home half the people are sleeping trying to go to bed like

I was in the in the when this all like went down I was trying I was telling everybody to get like get him out like just get him out of here tell him to leave get him out of here and then start they all started freaking out he stabbed he stabbed some I was like like we all were freaking out like I was like I I was so much in shock like I did not know what to do I was up and there and uh Hannah and Jimmy they were all help like holding like on

him I was like just keep pressure on him like I like I'm I I don't know what to do like and they were all who's him when you're saying that they were holding pressure on him the one that got stabbed Charlie Starner Hannah and Jimmy they were holding pressure on him after like they were like he he stabbed him he stabbed him and like Isaac hopped in the car after like immediately and sped off through up through here okay who was Isaac with who did he flee with he my sister saber flag Isaac's had issues

in the past he's put his hands on my sister and he's just literally went to jail 3 months ago for putting his hands on my mom Isaac Pence was someone that should never have been at this party in the first place he already had a history of being violent as Dalton explained and to make matters worse he was dead be drunk flailing around assaulting everyone that came into view it was only a matter of time before someone got seriously hurt it just so happened that Dalton telling Isaac to leave made him explode more importantly Dalton

explained that Isaac went to prison for assaulting his mother this is very important information as it could prove in court that Isaac had pre-existing Tendencies of assault detective Summers plans to speak to Dalton's mother face to face but before she's able to do so she receives disturbing information that changes the case completely they went to the hotel room where saber's Mom is staying she told him to get their [ __ ] and get out and I don't know she doesn't know if he's coming back to finish what he started or what oh nice cool hope

he does I'll head him to the all right good walk good with god with these claims in mind police would have everyone Evacuate the premises and lock down the cabin fortunately Isaac would never show and the hunt for Isaac Pence would go cold for the night [Music] um I'm Ang this is protective Rand we just need a statement from you about what happened last okay I know I was deed supposed to be at work at 6:00 this morning I was woke up at 3:00 a.m. by my daughter calling me on the phone she was hard

to understand I could tell she was intoxicated and she was very hard for me to understand what she was saying um I could I knew there was a fight she said a fight was breaking out um she said I've lost my GL I don't have my glasses I don't have my purse I don't have a shoe I was trampled on do and Isaac do is my son Isaac is they not B God blood but Isaac's not treated saber very well um I've had we had a court case not too long ago where he across the

room so D was just protective of his s of his sister worried for her safety really um so he told her yesterday he's not to come if he's been drinking well when he got out of the car he had he already had an container on and D said he tried to get him to leave all night several times he tried to get him to leave and Isaac wouldn't leave okay so this is what she told you on the phone yeah and then I said sa where are you going right now where are you are she

said they she first told me they were in Isaac's house I said Sabra okay but I could hear this in the background I could hear Isaac talking to somebody and she was still sitting in the car and I said if you're at your house if you guys are at your house why are you still sitting in the car she was like well I don't know where we are I said Sab ask Isaac where you are so she asked Isaac where they were Isaac said it's okay I stopped at a buddy's house and um I said

okay I don't know what buddy I know they said something on CH chicken C road but then they left there and came to the room they were at my room maybe 20 minutes and I told Isaac he needed to leave he said he was calm when I was talking to sa on the phone much different person when he was there at the room he said well once I go to my house and get what I need I'm going back out there I don't know what he was meaning but he was going out there to finish

finish something off what time was that that was I made they left my room at 19 till 5 500 a.m. yes cuz then I called my mom cuz I said obviously I don't know what's going on it's I can't I'm not I'm not going to work today and I called McDonald I'm manager McDonald's and I called him and said I don't really know what's going on this is all I know but I know my kid I don't know I just feel like something's I'm not being told everything and I just I I still can't believe

this it's frankly terrifying that despite the fact that Sabre just watched her boyfriend stab someone to death all she cares about is getting her belongings back before work the next day this ignorance and complete disregard for their crimes is something that both Isaac and Sabre should be held accountable for police would go on to get written statements from everyone at the house that night adding to the pile of evidence against Isaac however the next day Hannah and James would show up to the station to provide police with the most damning evidence they've received yet obviously

a lot was going on yesterday a lot um so I uh remember how I said I had been on the porch mhm well I think I'm well I flew off the porch so fast and I ended up on the hood of my truck because I thought Isaac was going to hit my car okay so I started recording a video in the circumstance that he hit my car and I captured the entire stabing um I captured um SRA the female that was in the passenger seat you can see her reach in the back seat with her

flashlight on her phone on um soit my car watch it there back and then that's uh him dragging him away honestly if you put the brightness on the video up we might be able to see a little bit better so just go so fast but it's him standing up the door up there they're saf for getting into the back seat she grabs me and she tosses it onto the seat top tosses what something from the back seat onto his car seat that Isaac's on so Isaac's right there in the middle okay he's the one standing

up there that's his arm yelling tell him then he's stabbing right there and that's Jimmy grabbing him and pulling him back unfortunately we have to censor the evidence due to YouTube's guidelines but an uncensored version along with the Extended 3-hour Cut of the video is available on our patreon Linked In the description this video is a crucial step in proving Isaac guilty as it shows clearly that Isaac did in fact stab Charlie additionally saber seems to hand something over to Isaac right before the stabbing occurs meaning she could have potentially given Isaac the knife used

to kill Charlie with this police have more than enough evidence to arrest Isaac and Sabra this would be an easy task as police were able to Ping saber's phone location to Isaac's house they would be detained shortly thereafter however during the investigation they also discovered something peculiar by tracing the car's movements found at Isaac's house officers realized that Sabra and Isaac visited two other locations before arriving at their own home the first was the house of Isaac's friend Justin Sloan at approximately 3:00 a.m. just minutes after the stabbing CCTV cameras captured Sabra and Isaac stopping

at the [Music] [Music] home why exactly they stopped would soon unravel itself as officers called Justin hello hello is this Justin yes hi Justin this is detective mcnight haing County Sheriff's Office I appreciate you talking to uh our captain Robinson earlier um but I've just got a couple follow-up questions real quick okay so the questions that I have is do you know saber uh yes because she knew my little brother and stuff that's how I met her but this is the first time she's been in your house uh this current house that I live in

yes normally we all just kind of meet at our friend's house um was she present during the discussions when he was when Isaac was telling you what was happening what happened last night yes sir okay was she present when he had the knives uh she was in my garage on the phone with her mother and he left the garage to good did he say he was going to go do that yeah I couldn't really tell him no cuz I didn't know what was going on I had no idea if it was true or not okay

do you have any idea who told the police that he was going to come back and finish the job I don't think I didn't hear him say stuff like that when he was drunk and freaking out at my house though it might even be on camera but I don't know he did say stuff like that at your house kind of it was more of like he just wanted to go back and beat up the other people that were trying to jump him okay all right killer couple hid two knives at Justin's home evidently the two

were panicking with a fresh kill on their hands they didn't know what to do and stashed the knives at Justin's home without him knowing once Justin refuses to give them shelter Isaac and Sabra make a second stop sabra's mother's hotel room it's obvious the two are panicking Isaac knew what he did could get him in serious trouble so instead of working with the police to prove his innocence he hid the murder weapons and ran the evidence points to Isaac as a clar killer who murdered an innocent college student for no reason with little to no

evidence proving the statement to be wrong detectives decide it's time to conduct their first formal interrogation with Isaac the goal of this interrogation is to get Isaac to admit to the murder and then slowly break his attempt at claiming self-defense until he has nothing left other than to admit his evil actions why don't you tell me a little bit about yourself um um live on Pickton Road okay how long have you lived there um about 6 seven years now all right um who do you live there with uh my mom my stepdad okay um I

got a little brother a little sister okay and then Sabra and my two kids okay and who's Sabra um my fiance okay all right and how old are your children one is uh one and one is four months okay all right on the surface it might look like Isaac is a proud father but he's hiding more than a few skeletons in his closet when officers arrived to arrest him his home's condition was beyond deplorable the pungent smell of ammonia likely accumulated from urine filled up every single corner of the home but that wasn't even the

worst part Isaac was a well-known abuser and in his girlfriend's mother's words Sabra was his biggest victim this meant that the children he tries to speak so dearly about were the same ones who according to people close to Isaac had to live in a house that stunk of urine all the while seeing their mother be abused on the regular to many it might seem that Isaac's complete disregard and ignorance of anyone but himself is what landed him here in the first place yet in his eyes he seems to think that he's done nothing wrong in

fact as the interview continues it's almost as if he sees himself as the victim right so sounds like you guys came up here for a birthday party is that correct yeah so whose birthday was it um it was her brother's birthday um me and her brother never got alone okay I was sitting there whole time was like I know this is a bad idea I want to make her happy so I was like you know I will try to put my pride aside let's go ahead and go okay we were there everything was good it

was completely when did you get there um as around 8 I think 830 well right everything was completely fine and we having a good time um she end up having a panic attack cuz she want to get into a hot tub and she was way too drunk and she oh he's going to be mad if I get in hot tub I was like hey you're fine go get hot tub she's like well there's other dudes in there I was like listen I'm not getting lots of because I'm wearing work shorts or work pants work shirt

I'm not getting lots of I was like you want to get in there go ahead notice how Isaac completely leaves out the facts that he too was belligerently drunk pay attention to how Isaac cleverly leaves out details that may diminish his story she gets in there everything's fine well later on that night she's outside and we're all standing out in the hallway she's outside so she's out on the P She s okay um and then it was me her brother and I think like two other guys all right what's your brother's name uh Doan Doan

okay U I don't know the other two guys but we were all standing right here in the hallway and someone end like pushing me so I pushed him back well don't thought that I pushed his girlfriend to rise him and so he got all pissed off that's when everyone tried to jump me well I kind of know what I'm doing a little bit so I start throwing them to the side and that's when I was like you know I'm not trying to anybody so just toss to the side I got in my car I tell

saber I was like hey if you want to go then we're going well they came and they got on the faster car um and they took her sunglasses or no her actual glasses and her perks out trying to keep her to stay there oh you're going to stay here and I was like well with everything going on like I'm going to leave because you said you always want to leave yeah it was from 10 to 15 guys okay and they all de said they were going to try to fight me well then this one comes

up to my car door came up and he was kicking my car I mean once they started sitting there trying to bust the glass to get to me that's when I pulled out a knife I was like hey you need to back up and they didn't want no they ended up opening my car door what car door my driver side car door they did okay it was two to three guys were sitting there and they were just yanking on I was trying to hold it as good as I could and there three guys sting there

pulling on it I was like I'm not going to let my door break I was like hey you guys need to back up like this is not going down right here okay and they Len I was like listen just start poking out a little bit immediately Isaac's story contradicts all of the witness statements thus far Isaac claims he was the one trying to leave the party while everyone else claims they were trying to get Isaac to leave unfortunately for Isaac the phone recording CCTV footage and mountains of other evidence go directly against what he's saying

but for now detectives will let Isaac create a detailed narrative without confrontation so that they can use against him in later interrogations like I didn't try to do it to physically hurt anybody really bad but I did it just to like poke like hey I have a knife calm down where where did you get the knife oh it is in my car okay um I use it for work okay because doing construction okay we used to cut plastic and everything okay they wouldn't stop they just kept going so I tried to stab the one guy

in the arm just so they would go well as soon as I stabed him in the arm they left the other two guys took off completely okay and that's when saber got in the car and I took off I left got somewhere safe I called my mom I was like hey I should not be driving right now and a bunch of [ __ ] just popped off I was like I need to figure out something I got to go somewhere but I don't need to be driving so you stabbed the guy in the arm one

time uh I think it was twice twice sure wasn't more than that I don't think so okay so when you left and you said you called Mom right um so did she come get you from there she was not able to gotcha so did did you go where did you go after that I went straight home Isaac is blatantly making lie after lie Every Lie he makes during this interrogation will only come back to haunt him once he's presented with factual evidence the the knife or once location where Mom should still be in my car

should be in the car so if I didn't drop it after got you so it it's either in the car or it's at their house gotcha okay detectives would wrap this interrogation up quickly as they got exactly what he needed Isaac doubled down on his claims of self-defense and lied through his teeth in order to do so now that they have these statements on record Isaac is going to have a really hard time proving his innocence once he's confronted but for now police have another issue to address it's still unclear what saber's role was in

the murder the phone recording could indicate that she handed Isaac the knife so she could be equally as guilty for the crime as Isaac is however their one priority is to convict Isaac and extract the truth of what happened that night so they sit saber down for her one and only interrogation with plans to slowly build the pressure until she breaks down and confesses everything start out at let's say 8:00 last night what time did you get to part so I I was at work and then I got off at 7 um I had work

around 7:30 I had a few people coming in 10 really late so I didn't get down until about 7:30 I went home um he was asleep when I got there iaac was so I woke him off I was like she don't want to go he's like yeah you know we'll just go for a few hours cuz I had I'm supposed to open today well um once we got there my brother was like yeah I want to drink with you like just stay and then we'll make sure you're up in the morning I just decided to

sit on the couch cuz I was like I know I got to get up in the morning you I got to go to work I'm not I don't want to get too like wasted so I was just sitting on the couch and they're still having a good time Isaac's having a good time and all of a sudden I hear this bit like you know arguing and I was like oh my gosh please tell me it's not with Isaac I go out and I hear like a bunch of different stories I Isaac and a few other

people are saying that he accidentally pushed Horizon which is my brother's girlfriend then my brother sitting here saying he intentionally post her I don't think he intentionally post post her he's not the type of person he's not violent especially with girls he because his mom was abused by his dad so he knows what it's life and he's seen his mom go through all that so I know he's not the type that type of person it's awfully odd that saber describes Isaac as nonviolent and doubles down on him not being the aggressor the entire night because

all of the previous Witnesses stated otherwise Isaac has had a thorough history of abuse and everyone besides Sabre clearly remembers him being the aggressor the entire night there is a good chance that the reason why Sabra is defending Isaac is a far more Dee rooted issue trauma bonding occurs when an individual suffers from cycles of abuse followed by positive reinforce ment this causes the victim to develop a strong emotional attachment to the abuser which can result in a rationalization of the abuser's behavior considering the facts that Isaac has abused sabre's mom one might question if

he's really the saint Sabre makes him out to be in their relationship but for now all that saber wants is to defend Isaac because to her it doesn't matter if he's a murderer and they're sitting here arguing I'm trying to talk to Isaac to calm him down because I'm like one of the the only people that comment down I'm like okay let's just you know if anything let's just go in your car sit for like a couple hours and then we can go home then they followed us outside it was like 10 guys um all

of my brother's friends and this guy I think his name is Clay I don't want to be wrong he goes are you really starting problems again and I think he might have thought maybe when I had my panic attack that Isaac was starting some sort of drama but he pushed Isaac Isaac went flying back into a car I tried to intervene just trying to get Isaac away cuz I didn't want to see my brother find Isaac any of that to happen they end up like back behind Isaac's car they end up going down that Hill

I'm following them trying to you know break it up somehow I fall and they're like trampling all over me I have a big bruise on my knee and Isaac um he got in the car and he goes saber come on come on come on I didn't even know someone got stabbed until way after we left and Isaac was like I think I stabbed that dude I think I stabbed him I was like I was like oh my God IAC I was like you literally ran away like that's not what you should do and I think

we stopped at his friends house cuz his friends live live shortly down the street he was flipping out cuz he was like you know he was like oh my God I don't want to get in trouble I don't want to get in trouble then he ended up falling asleep so I had an alarm at 700 so I could try and wake up and get time to call someone and see if they were up at that time and then at that time that's when I hear pounding on our front door and I walk out and Isaac's

mom um was like um Isaac you Isaac needs to get out of here there's a bunch of cops out here um drawing their weapons he's got to go out it's clear Sabra doesn't intend on cracking so detectives decide it's time to put the pressure on Sabra and get her to confess you can't think of anything else that you forgot to tell us or didn't mention not that I know of okay what do you know Justin um I know him not like really well I just know that him and I were friends for a couple years

how long were you at the house talking to him today with Isaac Isaac like 5 minutes 5 to 10 minutes only 5 to 10 minutes as far as I know like I mean I went in pee then we were out there for a little bit and then we laughed I'm sure that somebody's already kind of explained things to you right so mother to Mother you love your children right yes very much okay and you want to see your kids again someday right because today somebody's actions made it so a mother lost her son a father

lost his son somebody lost their boyfriend okay several friends lost another friend who bled out at the hands of someone that you care about and you know something I I I really I don't you were there yeah but I didn't I didn't know he got stabbed I didn't I didn't know that until after he we left if you're trying to protect this man he's going to go down as an accomplice for murder I'm not I promise you know something I I got knocked down and I was on the floor or on the ground and then

I got up and I didn't I didn't see anyone on the floor I didn't see anyone else on the floor I swear I'm not trying to protect him at all so what did he say after he stabbed him cuz you guys drove away together he had to have said something he didn't he really didn't he said um I don't even think he said anything he just got in the car I got in the car and then we left and then shortly after that he said that he stabbed some I'm going to tell you that I

talked to his parents and they said that he's an explosive angry violent drunk he is and I he he is he's never been like like aggressive to me um he just he gets aggressive and he'll like he punches back windshield he he does stupid things when he's drunk I I'll be the first to admit that listen he died he's dead he's gone I know brag my [Music] so your honesty today is imperative about what happened your honesty today is the is the Paramount of what we need done okay you're not telling you're hiding some stuff

because you're protecting right now listen to me I spoken to your mother on a phone so did I you know he's violent against women correct he's been violent before against women cor he was violent against your own Mama talking about Isaac he so yes he did push my mom um he did what he pushed my mom pushed your mom um because he went to court for it um she punched him first and then she he pushed her so I will say that yes but he has never laid a hand on me he's never done anything

like that you told me earlier that he would never do that to a woman correct I totally forgot about my mom I'm so sorry I how it's your mom how can you forget about your mom you're trying to protect him I'm not okay I'm going to tell you right now that my specialty is domestic violence sexual assault and crimes against children and the living conditions that your children are in are a crime a deplorable sickening crime I'm 35 years old and I could barely breathe in that house there's dog feces everywhere there the ammonia in

that house is horrible we've made a referral to have your children emergency room I'm going to tell you that I'm G to tell you you know how I know you're full of [ __ ] you went to your mom's you went to Justin's all before you went back to the house I talked to your mom I did go to my mom's I I totally forgot I am so sorry are you forgetting cuz you were drunk are you forgetting cuz you were high She's forgetting because she doesn't want to tell us the truth then only thing

that I can have and that I can say about you right now is either she was lying and she's or she was scared but she finally told us the truth I was scared okay you knew that he threw the knives at Justin's house correct yes and I apologize I was I was scared who had the gun at the party I and I'm being honest to God I didn't see a gun I didn't know who had a gun I know my brother has a gun registered in his name did your brother have a gun I don't

know I didn't see one okay what did you see about the stabbing um I didn't see and I'm being completely truthful on everything I didn't see anyone get stabbed I didn't see anyone fall to the floor I didn't see anything this is when I was I think this all this stabbing happened when I was on the ground well is there anything else that you think that we should know about anything that you want the prosecutor to know because Now's the Time to make your case if you feel that you have one for about yes unfortunately

it doesn't seem like Sabra is going to crack anytime soon however her lying is just as bad as Isaac's so convincing her shouldn't be much of a challenge additionally her cathartic behavior only strengthened the case against Isaac as she revealed that they did in fact hide the knives at Justin's home giving Detective another lie to confront Isaac with so once and for all using all the evidence they've collected for the last several days detectives sit Isaac down for a final interrogation we're going to REM mirand you since we've had a break in between do you

know what your Miranda Rights are okay I'm going to read them to you after reading Isaac his rights he would recount everything that happened the night of the murder we've heard his story multiple times now so I'll fast forward through that portion of the interrogation so I'm going to tell you the only thing you have left in this world is your integrity you know what Integrity is yeah your honesty and I'm going to tell you that I have found about 40 loopholes already in your story and I know the truth I'm not going to ask

you a question I already don't have the answer to okay that would make me a horrible detective been here since 3:30 this morning the last thing I want is your [ __ ] okay I am giving you honesty and I'm giving you the opportunity to come clean okay if I go to the prosecutor and say he gave me a line of crap you know what they're going to do they're going to throw the book at you come Court time if I go to the prosecutor and I say hey this is a guy who made mistakes

cuz we all make mistakes we do it every single day I'm not a perfect person Dave's not a perfect person we've done and seen some [ __ ] up things okay what you did last night is [ __ ] up you killed somebody what he's dead and I died yeah he died at 8:31 this morning the world lost a father he leaves behind a 9 and a 12month old son named jet okay somebody lost their son this morning a mother and father lost their son a girlfriend lost her boyfriend that she held compression on for

several minutes waiting for a medic to get there to try and save his life he died at Grant this morning and you're facing murder charges that he did cuz you didn't stab him twice you stabbed him multiple times way more than twice and I've interviewed probably 15 or 16 people today that have painted a pretty gruesome picture involving you this is your chance to be honest about it how you try and get them to stop you get one shot at this and one shot only I've talked to your mom I know you are a very

violent explosive person I know you drink almost every weekend you left her in the car and custody of your two children Draco and whan who are 13 months and 4 months old I've been inside your bedroom I've been inside your car I've had a very deep conversation with your girlfriend your girlfriend's mother and everyone that was at that cabin you get one shot at this with me and that's it you want to start over with This brilliant confrontation the detective successfully convinced Isaac to start again with his story just like in saber's interview he already

gave his version of events before this so any mistakes he makes now will seal his fate start at the very beginning how did you end up there ended up because every wanted to go and I told her that I would get with him and so we ended up going but we've never got along me and her brother MH and of course her brother's friends aren't going to like me if he don't like me but he said that he was going to be cool calm collected I said I'll do the same and I was until everything

blew up and once everything blows up then I just blow up and I end up lacking out how much cocaine did you do last night I didn't do any I know there was cocaine there I've already found the cocaine I didn't do any did you smoke weed no how much did you drink last night um I think I drank a 12 pack of Miller uh I took a couple shots of Hennessee and a bottle of uh green uh it's like green sour apple snaps it was like a half mile of that okay so you drank

a lot of alcohol knowing that you have an explosive personality when you're drunk okay was there some jealousy issues at this party last night yeah a little bit what happened um well it's just her brother's friend well her friend and her brother's friend uh Trey I've always not liked him cuz she said there and was always like a brother but then she got mad at me one time and said oh Trey so hot I'll just go him so that's where I don't really trust him anymore and uh so when he came that's kind of where

I get jealous okay so Sabra is talking to Trey right where are they together oh they're in hoto okay and she starts having a panic attack because why uh she thought I was going to be mad if Sabra had panic attacks just thinking that Isaac was going to be mad at her one can question exactly how much abuse she dealt with to behave like this worse yet is the fact that Sabra still believed Isaac to be a saint going as far as to cover up his murder so a scuffle ensues and during this scuffle Sabra

tries to break it up right okay and what happens to Sabra as she's trying to break this up as she says she got trampled who comes to run to her Aid five that's okay so fair to say you probably blacked out where there's bits and pieces missing here yeah so Dalton comes running over because his sister's now on the ground and she has this tattoo that says My Brother's Keeper and they're they're close right and he is screaming at you guys to knock the [ __ ] off because his sister's now on the ground and

Sabra is having some type of panic attack right she goes to get in the car and she's screaming at you at this point right do you remember this no okay is that when we start fighting on the hill mhm and what happens on that Hill um on the hill that's where I got pushed down do you have injuries that would cooperate you saying you got pushed down the scrapes on your side yeah scrapes all over my side and I have a big knot right here where I get hit okay so you get pushed down this

hill and then what then I think we kept on going at it who's we cuz we have about 20 or 22 people now that have been at this cabin I don't even know their names I saw the video somebody clearly shoved you in the front uh which started the you know the scuffle this is the about part I remember is getting pushed and kind of gone from there until I got in my car and when you get in your car what happens that's where I think I grab a knife he was pulling on the door

I think I'll tell you that I have a footprint that tells me they were trying to close the door do you remember any of that okay and where's Sabra she just just sit in the car she get out of the car at any point I don't think so she paying attention to what you're doing there or is she preoccupied with something I think she was watching Tik toks on her phone watching Tik toks on her phone no when her boyfriend just stabs somebody it's pretty normal behavior right I mean hey you went home and took

a nap like it was just another day in the park for you I was too drunk I didn't really remember it when I got home but not too drunk to drive not too drunk to dispose of the murder weapon not to drunk to try and cover up your tracks did you know his name was Charlie yeah you never met Charlie before that did you so you grabbed Charlie by the neck and you didn't stab Charlie two times stabbed Charlie six times the side of his neck right here on his face twice in his side once

in his back and somewhere in between his head and his neck you left you left Charlie to lay there and bleed out on the ground Charlie didn't die right away but Charlie he died he Co it out in a trauma Bay he made it in an airplane to a hospital in Columbus made it through the surgery and then he could put his heart gave out and you know what his kid isn't the only one left without a dad cuz Draco and whan aren't going to have their dad either they're not going to have their mom

either she went to jail today what she going do complicity to murder cuz she knew and she didn't do anything about it and I turned your kids over to the state earlier this afternoon because the living conditions in that house are deplorable as well so they're not going to have a mother or a father does that change things for you yeah does that put some things into perspective but you weren't thinking about that when you threw the knife all right Isaac you're going to stand up put your hands behind your back at this time you're

under arrest for murder at this point Isaac has nothing more to say and the body cam concludes shortly after with so much evidence stacked against him and his girlfriend the two were placed into custody as they awaited their trial a year later on August 26th 20124 Sabra flag pled guilty to obstructing justice this is a fifth degree felony that comes with a maximum of 12 months in prison and a $2,500 fine as for Isaac Pence he was convicted of one count of murder two counts of fonus assault and one count of tampering with evidence a

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