World's #1 Interrogation Expert: How To Spot a LIAR & Make Them Confess IMMEDIATELY - Chase Hughes

when you're working intelligence operations you get to this point where you're like any day might be the last day if we don't do something drastic right in the world all day today I sit down with an ex Black Beret we go through some serious crazy training and it's the most stressful thing you can imagine we should not be seen we should be forgotten the next day this guy spent over 20 years on a secret ship doing very secret things learning how to interrogate people from all around the world to literally get them to give up

secrets of intelligence if you look at anyone who's successful they've mashed these three things you look at anyone who's failed they failed at one of these three things and that's uh observation communication and then self-mastery we talked about how to spot if someone's lying to you and the exact things that you need to look for and the things that most people think give off information that someone's lying but they get it completely wrong what's really important is being good at detecting change so if I see a big pile of changes I can be almost certain

that this person is being deceptive we talked about how to then get people to voluntarily confess and to get them to give up information if you're ever talking to somebody and you want sensitive information the less questions you ask the better so using statements is a really effective way to do this and this one is called triggering a need to correct the record studyed Neuroscience medical neuroscience and then neuroendocrinology I found out I had epilepsy and it was temporal of epilepsy so it hits you right in the hippoc where your memories are and it is

soul shaking my seizures were about 60 seconds long it's it's a it's a horror movie by the end of this interview you're going to learn exactly how to spot liar you're going to learn how to make them confess to you but most importantly you're going to learn how to read people like you've never learned how to read them before you're going to learn what really drives people at a deep unconscious level why all people are wearing masks and how to use this to your advantage to get them to give up information that they have never

told anybody and if you're brand new to this channel welcome to the Dream Out Loud podcast make sure you subscribed wherever you're listening or watching this because we put out interviews and episodes every single week to help you learn the skill set and the mindset to create your dream life so without further Ado please help me and welcome multiple bestselling author world's number one body language expert Chase Hughes Chase Hughes welcome to the podcast good to be here man well you're be at at my I've come all the way to the middle of nowhere literally

but I'm I'm very very excited for this conversation I've watched a lot of good stuff online um when it comes to this topic I'm really curious about it and you're someone who's done it for it to like a whole new extreme you're like one of the top in the world Educators when it comes to finding deception influence and all these sorts of things thing so I want to get right into it and I want to ask you are you better at influence and persuasion or spotting liars and getting them to confess I think getting a

confession is influence of persuasion but I would say much better at uh influencer persuation where else have that so you spent 20 years R Le ship do secret stuff or we we can dive into a little bit later outside of the professional career how have you found it useful in the everyday life and business and the sales and I think what people tend to think is that if I just get this script or if I just get this thing of what to say I would be better so when I go train sales departments or companies

they like oh we need a we need more scripts for our sales team because these scripts are converting I always tell them it's not I discovered I spent 10 years in search of the perfect script and getting into regular life you see that everything is about human skills and who you are as a person is 80% of influence and I think it matters what the biggest thing that I've ever learned in my life was that when it comes to influence that and that's parenting leadership management whatever you're doing in your life 80% of that is

who you are 10% is what you say and do and 10% is who the other person is so our Character Matters more than anything else and that's that's been replicated in a bazilian studies 10% reading other people what do you mean by that well 10% is what you say when it comes to persuasion that's only about 10% and everyone tends to focus on this 10% this is everybody from the CIA all the way down to A A Car Sales company that does used cars they're focused on like how do I say the right things instead

of how do I change who I am so the question should always now be who do I have to be to make this person do X Y and Z the scripts are great but the scripts are great to have once you've got the human element mastered you've got some a level of self-mastery there and some confidence that makes a difference and one thing I always say like I can give you the perfect script if I give you a flight checklist for a Boeing 737 it does not make you a pilot like there's there's time and

energy it goes into that so it who you are being a pilot matters more than I possess a checklist on how to take this plane off okay so when it comes to actually before I move on then I want to understand this a little bit more for the people the people who might have got their heartbroken thinking but I've been doing the scripts they're still important yeah so what is the obviously if you say it's only 10% then there's the 80% what is it that we've got to sort of Master within or be more aware

of within when it comes to influence this is our level of Authority and a good example of this is the mgrm experiment where they got a a person to shock or they thought they were shocking a total stranger in another room to death they made them shock them to death 67% of the people complied all the way to the end this high voltage but didn't 100% go past the point where they would have killed them yeah 100% went past 200 volts yeah uh and that was because of authority like there was no script so you

think selling cars is hard or selling pharmaceutical products is hard and then you see this like talking someone into murder I would argue is harder than say uh and they didn't have any scripts they didn't have some perfect thing written down it was Authority and it in what I teach Authority is comprised of five elements and that is confidence discipline leadership gratitude and enjoyment those five things make you an authority figure and if I might uh extend this answer a little bit the number one mistake the number one thing that people mentally make uh that

that ruins their success is thinking that confidence or authority has anything to do with anybody else because when somebody says the word I have authority here or I have authority they're thinking in terms of some social hierarchy like I'm above this person or I'm I'm over these people and hierarchy is in status are not related in any way to Authority and self-confidence so that's the biggest mistake so getting out of your head to the point where you never ever for the rest of your life if I'm talking to one of your viewers right now never

for the rest of your life think about hierarchy pecking order and Status ever again because that's the number one thing that destroys you that's so interesting because I've always thought about that so Authority you're saying is the one of the biggest things then when it comes to influence so you mentioned the five things so can we touch a bit more on this like how do we really develop more Authority in our everyday life yeah one thing I'll do I have a a document that took me 20 years to build and it's a survey to measure

your level of authority and tell you exactly where you're lacking it and I'll give you can put it in your show notes to you as soon as we're done um so when it comes to Authority we have confidence first and confidence is just Comfort if you just think of it as I'm being comfortable so if you were the type of person and I'll say this to you if you've ever struggled with I compare myself where am I on this pecking order how am I doing on this hierarchy the only way that I compare myself to

other people and this is what I would recommend for everybody watching this is am I more comfortable than that that am I more comfortable than that other person so the challenge would not be to be better or higher than the person it is to be more comfortable and the fastest way to do that is is I train my body to move slower than everybody else in the room I'm slower that's it I'm speaking more confidently more securely I'm speaking more slowly That's The Challenge from here on if you're trying to do confidence and confidence is

all about permission 100% it's about permission do I feel permission to behave a certain way in this context and most people think that there is something that will tell me what I can do but actual confidence means I'm going to do everything I want to do I don't need a permission slip to feel confident and we could go into that for a whole hour by itself yeah then we have discipline and I just Define discipline as your ability to prioritize your future self ahead of your presentent self that's it and the simplest way to start

hacking into discipline is to get dopamine from discipline so like the night before you go to bed um you were just standing in my kitchen a few minutes ago go I've got a little CU coffee maker there so before I go to bed I'm putting the coffee in there lifting the lid making sure there's water there putting my coffee mug they're ready to go so when I wake up I go flip and I push a button so I'm setting things up for my future self to where I'm developing a relationship with my future self so

I'm I'm no longer looking backwards with regret I'm looking backwards with gratitude thankful for everything that I did in uh just a few months ago I did this uh since summertime is coming around we're filming this in the summer uh in the spring I'll put like $50 or $100 bills in some of my winter coats just as like because I'll find that later I'll forget about it but I'll find it later in the year and that's a gift to myself and I'm getting dopamine from me I become my source of dopamine so the best way

to do that and people see like oh that gu you somebody's going to the gym all the time he's got so much discipline that's not discipline that's a habit that took like a tablespoon of discipline to get started that's all you're seeing so somebody's eating healthy they're discipline that's they're not they just have a habit so the fastest way to get a habit is to figure out how can I get dopamine from me doing this so those little things what can I do today not just for myself 20 years from now how can I how

can I get myself quick rewards tomorrow I'm going to lay my clothes out everything's set up I've got everything like I wake up but it's like I had a butler overnight like set all this stuff up for me when I wake up I'm like wow so I'm like thankful to myself and how is that something that plays a role in being more authoritative just having discipline I I'll give you an example if you and I were sitting in an airport you're going to be going down to Raleigh Duran airport here in a few hours if

you and I were hanging out there in the airport and I said Moran look around the room right here you're not a professional Bader profiler but can you find somebody that's disciplined we can see it we feel discipline on people because they behave differently they act differently and if I say look around and find somebody that's confident your brain knows how to spot that your brain knows how to do that it's been doing it for a million years since we've been kind of evolving and all of these things trigger the human brain to say this

person is more followable than that person so when we see authority figures it's our mamalian animal brain saying that looks more easy to follow so just having that and then leadership is being more followable am I communicating clearly do I complete my movements so you'll see people that do half movements so they want I reach for a water glass and you'll see that like they don't want kind of do it all the way or like they'll they like oh yeah yeah that makes sense so they don't complete movements that makes then automatically you become less

followable which makes you less of a leader wow and you think they may be doing that out of like a nervousness like don't know what to do in that moment or yeah I'm thinking back like I've definitely done that and like if this sometimes I'm like oh what happen yeah and so so what happens is our brain starts doing these calculations and says what am I am I going to pick up that water do I'm going to pick this up and I'm going to look comfortable I'm going to look cool so that means we're living

behind our eyes our experience is back here behind my eyes so I want to focus on in conversations all of my presence my focus if I'm confident and comfortable I'm not behind my eyes I want to be in front of my eyes on the conversation so that just the confidence and being comfortable and having permission to act puts you in front of your eyes so that's the experience of like I'm going to stop doing behaviors because I'm overthinking those behaviors instead of should I get a drink of water it's I want water and I'm going

to I'm going to do that and complete that that behavior Okay so covered what do we cover discipline leadership yes gratitude and you're like well well how would gratitude have an effect but if we were still sitting in that airport and I said find somebody that's grateful and you see somebody with those wrinkles right here and you see them like and just enjoying the mundane Act of walking through an airport and you see just a very slight smile on their face so gratitude is kind of a waterfall into that enjoyment so a person who's enjoying

himself they don't have to be partying all the time this is not like you're it's not about energy level it's about mindset in the moment so it's not enjoyment doesn't mean I'm in the middle of some party and everybody's I'm I bring the party everywhere I go that's not what that is that's excitement so what we're talking about is enjoyment so if I'm in a good mood and I'm quietly calmly enjoying things that I'm doing that automatically makes me more magnetic and the moment you become more magnetic you're automatically more followable so those are the

five traits that make a person more followable confidence discipline leadership gratitude and enjoyment and that's one of the main things right because what I want to talk about next it's what do we need to understand about people in the brain when it comes to like what do we need to know first in our to influence and from what you just said that is cu I know like part of our brain is one of the most important things is we want to stay alive so millions of years ago we're safer in a clan we're with the

tribe so I guess that's probably why if we find someone who's oh they're the The Authority person I feel safe to follow them that's probably why it's a a thing right so what do we need to understand about the brain before we dive into depths of influence and spotting lies and all this yeah so let's let's do a little hierarchy of the brain so the brain kind of let's start at the bottom if you ask most people and I do this when I speak at Big seminars and stuff I tell everybody like pick up your

finger and then point to the base of your brain and everybody points right here like your brain is the end of your brain is down here the of your spinal like the Vegas nove yeah so at the end of your spinal cord the end of our spinal cord is called the Cina which is Latin for horse tail because it looks like a horse tail of nervs coming right yeah I've seen that so that's the actual base of our brain so spinal cord brain stem then this mamalian brain and then the human brain on top of

it which is the neocortex which which is Latin for new cover it's just a new covering on top of the other brain and you got to think of that in terms of like the way that I persuade somebody the lower I can get my persuasion to work on that person's brain 100% more effective this so the deeper so yeah okay so one one of them would be like impulse and Instinct down here then emotions and behavioral patterns then up here would be thoughts and ideas and most people I'm going to study how to change people's

thoughts and ideas that's what they study they don't understand how to change that mamalian brain of other people how do I capitalize how do I kind of capture and lead the attention of that Maman brain then how do we do that like what what's the Mamon brain looking for this is like you talk about scripts and these things this where this is it so the mamia braid looks for four things and we have an acronym for this called fate f a t because that determines Our Fate so it's super easy to remember and accidentally spelled

that fate and I was so excited like when I was like coming up with how this model works it spelled Fate on accident when it was the most exciting thing I so fate stands for Focus Authority tribe and emotion those are what influenced our ancestors in that order in that order interesting because we need to get focused first so let's go back to like two let's go back 10,000 years in tribal communities let's say that you go out and you're hunting Buffalo every day so you take your spear you walk down this path and then

one day you're walking back to the Village sun setting you're walking back this path and right behind a bush a stick snaps where is your focus yeah in the right on that right on that bush it's are you not thinking about your kids you're not thinking about your tribe you're not thinking about anything else except for that stick so that's where novelty something that's new or unusual or unexpected capitalizes focus in the animal brain then we have authority take that same guy the stick snapping behind the bush was just a rabbit or something like that

uh so the stick snapping doesn't have to be a threat it's a potential value as well right so you see a rabbit back there that's food but you see a sandwich is tire back there that's also a big deal that's why we evolved to default to negative thought patterns because if you go to our ancestors the ancestors that lived were more likely to mistake a rock for a bear and not mistake a bear for a rock that's so true so like if I'm in a certain mindset let's say I have uh social anxiety or I'm

I I'm lacking in confidence just walking through a grocery store a neutral face looks judgmental it looks angry it looks threatening so our brain will perceive it based on our mindset so once you start becoming a lot more confident you're going to see happier faces it's the exact same face you're going to see more faces that are open and welcoming and happy not because their faces change but it's because your perception changed but we get a lot safer if we default to negative I see a neutral facial expression in front of me if I just

naturally default to that's potentially threatening that that saves my life so you know you know what um happened to me the other day at my house I was thinking about this I was so pissed off at myself after it um because I'm fully aware of like this influence and all these things and and it scares me how easily we can be influenced and persuaded and you know yeah and because I live in an apartment building okay so this is probably I I reverse engineer after I'm like how the did that happen I'm sitting in my

office usually if somebody comes up you know they ring the doorbell so have they ring ring the intercom and then I go over who's I have a camera and if I want you to ever come up to my house I'll let you up otherwise I'm like I'm I'm busy like Drop The parcel off or whatever yeah I'm sitting there in my office and I hear a knock on the door novelty like different who knocks on my you have to be on my level you know what I mean you have to buzz up to the level

so I'm like that's weird so okay it's probably important and I go out there I open the door and I just see a guy and the first thing he said to me was hey I just see you coming I need to check this thing out the back and I said yeah come and he just he walked in and um then he walked in he walked out the back and I sat back down my computer and I just go what the I'm like who is this guy actually this guy and then I walked back out and

looked at him I'm like what are you doing and he's like oh I just going to check these lights or blah blah blah and uh he wasn't in a uniform but you could see it was some type of uh he wasn't just like a casual it was some in between it wasn't High VI or nothing like that but it was just like a KH key sort of you know like maybe maintenance or something yeah but it played out it was about 30 seconds where I was completely he just got he just went into my home

he didn't say hello this is me nothing just knock knock knock yeah I see saying yeah sure come in and then I was just casual about it I got so pissed off I'm like I legit just met let some random dude into my house he didn't explain it and then I broke it down I'm like the reason he literally because he would have been some sort of authority it was new and novel for me cuz I'm like this is different no one knocks on the door and it was just super quick like and he's on

your floor so he's a member of your tribe uhhuh like makes sense okay yeah Focus Authority tribe motion that's so true and they've even done studies where just holding a slit board uh will make people more compliant wow and they did this there's a great one on YouTube and I hope you can put uh uh or your Ed your video editors can put a link in the in the description uhu but it's it's where the skyress is up as a police officer and walks around this open public area and tells people to break the law

he's like can you litter can you find something in your pocket and just throw it on the ground uh and he sees this person carrying shopping bag he's like can you switch that back to your other hand and just they put it in their other hand can I I need to sample that corn that you've got from the grocery store and he takes a bite of somebody's corn uh it's it's fascinating just how once we perceive Authority this filter in our brain that that I call the security guard in my training our brain has two

things a security guard and a file clerk so one of them goes and gets memorate so if I'm if I say roller coaster your brain just pulled up 10 images of roller coasters from your past from YouTube videos whatever uh but the security guard in the presence of authority takes a break so like he's saying like security guard is sitting there like should I let this information in let me be very cautious about what coming in and all this and the security guard is like oh there's Authority here I don't I don't I don't need

be um have you seen you familiar with Darren Brown oh yeah yeah I think I started watching his stuff a long time ago and um it's the have you see him do the push experiment he did the same thing it was on Netflix actually yeah in the space of about an hour could he and he didn't even do it he had an earpiece in someone's ear and it was all through Authority and compliance and within an hour they got I'm making a number up here but it it was the majority of maybe 70% of people

to kill someone yeah through through peer pressure tribe the authority and just micro compliance hey just do this and what they were showing was if he could get someone to do something morally a little bit wrong in the beginning he would keep on it so it started with he's like okay we're getting ready for this dinner uh these ones are the vegan options these are the meat ones like oh we run out of vegan just just put a meat one there he's like don't worry he goes oh but it's vegan that won't worry just put

one just put one meat one there and you got to do it and what they notice is every single person that went all the way they were started to do little things like this and then it just one more thing another thing and then someone died and he helped him move the fake body have you seen this thing yeah yeah it's freaking insane unbelievable and then they get all the way to the end through nothing but compliance and I'm like that's how I used to peer pressure my friends to do stupid just peer pressure but

they it's it's this is what scares me about the human brain that we could very easily say or do something that probably we wouldn't do if someone really knows how to use our head better than we know how yeah and if you think about that Darren Brown thing what was what was new to that person throughout the experiment everything was brand new so novelty that generated a tremendous amount of focus and focus is that doorway to the authority tribe and emotion so once it's novel it's brand new if you think of the milgrim experiment they're

in a building they' never been in doing an experiment they've never done with a guy they've never met and on and on and on and on they could go into the novelty of it and that's one of the things that they completely ignored in the milgrim experiment they said it's all about Authority well it's all about focus and tribe and because other people do this and I've done it so far and it was little by little the same way Darren Brown did it little compliance at a time and that's how Cults do indoctrinations that's how

I get confessions and an interrogation uh is that leveled up compliance over time so you spent 20 years as a Blackberry you're a captain Navy ship doing crazy secret stuff that you can't even talk about um and you can tell me to shut up at any point um how the things you do know how did you use them in is there anything that you can explain or can talk about for your times in your professional career on how you've leveraged these things to interrogate or get information or persuade or yeah I think the with the

the things that I teach are all about three things so if you look at anyone who's successful they've mastered these three things you look at anyone who's failed they've failed at one of these three things doesn't matter how much AI comes out everybody's talking about the economy going down AI is going to take over the world world uh the people who are successful have these three things in common and that's uh observation which means I can read the room I can read somebody that I'm talking to communication they know how to communicate and persuade and

influence people they know how to use language well and then self-mastery those three things that's it so if you just look at successful people those are the three things they all have in common so those are the three things that we brought forward to train intelligence operatives can I get information faster out of a person and you're talking about getting someone in deviate the stuff that we were teaching and the programs that I was developing is all kind of rooted in how can an intelligence officer talk a foreign National into committing treason against their own

country in the shortest amount of time so I meet someone at a bar and then within an hour and a half can I get them to agree to potentially face the death penalty for me and so that was the the problem that we had is like on a two AIS chart so here's like the deviation from their normal behavior and here's the time so I'm doing this backwards for you you so how far can I get them to deviate from what they would normally do and how long does it take me and I needed to

be no time high deviation yeah so most people are like oh yeah I could talk somebody to do that if I had them captive and locked up for 60 days and I can sleep deprivation and all that well we don't have that luxury uh so this started when my friend died in the terrorist attack on the USS cult in Yemen and he was one of my best friends and all these reports came out and if you have a top secret or secret clearance in the military you get these little one-page news reports about the global

politics and stuff it's called the early bird so I'm reading the early bird and I saw like all of these things intelligence failures operatives couldn't connect with people on the ground we didn't we didn't get good intelligence we we didn't have good relationships established so I thought well I'm going to use what I've been learning to enhance all these programs and scary enough the training that intelligence operatives had at that time was like how to win friends and influence people that's it period here's the name yeah it was like firm handshake make eye contact here's

their name touch on the shoulder thanks for coming that's everything so that's what they had so they the intelligence agencies were relying on making people that were highly charismatic and highly confident and just pushing them to the top because they didn't have the techniques to add on to that convoluted answer to your question is it the whole like like I I'm everything we talk about it's just it's just so interesting to think about um cuz it's like stuff you hear about you see in movies you know and the same like when I sat down with

Andy um Bustamante I'm like is it the same stuff like on and off camera I'm like this is crazy I'm like you're literally like Tom Gus um has there been times when you've been on missions or operations where you've genuinely feared for your life and not in a theoretical thing like this could go wrong but in actual we're right now many many times and the my first time that ever happened I was 19 years old off the coast of Somalia I think that's all I can say but it was we had to turn over a

boat of refugees to the Somali government there is no yeah so it's like these 16y olds in a rusted out tobat and that turned bad really Fist and that was the moment where you kind of get I I can't speak for anybody else in the military but I think you get to this point where you're like any day might be maybe the last day and you kind of get I uh kind of got okay with it where it was just like that's just part of doing this and that's part of just this line of work

and many times we've been in that kind of situation where like if if we don't do something drastic right in the world that we're going to die would would people not be more fearful to try to attack you guys knowing your us like if if an attack happened wouldn't it just be bring absolute chaos to that I think when you're working intelligence operations you're not really saying hey yeah we call it it's a it's a non-flagged operation so they know it's a nation state or they know that it's somebody from NATO but they don't know

specifically that it might be us because like our if we're doing Naval intelligence especially on in my line of work a lot of it is just I'm being very quiet um either maybe grabbing somebody searching something or I'm holding up an antenna and letting some 22-year-old MIT graduate in lamely Virginia like tell me how to turn the antenna and stuff like that so it's always like I we should not be seen like we should be forgotten the next day but when it comes to like the army dudes like Rangers GRE Beret those dudes are out

there running operations that are far more dangerous in my opinion that or like they're like laying it down like in apartment buildings the flags right on the shoulder they identify themselves immediately uh so it's a whole different gamut like a a dude that's running pure spec ops uh Army level how do you how do you stay calm like I imagine if I'm in a situation like that or even as and like I think everyone can relate to being in a situation where it's like this is a little bit nervous whether it be their first sale

I a girl out on a DAT having to fire someone or you know this like I know for one like if I have hard conversations sometimes I was talking about this with Andrew I'm like I'll talk down here and it's harder to I'm like I notic my whole my whole body starts to as you say uh compose right compose OB coll collapse I know starts to this so how how do you stay calm in situations when you're like I know I could be if I got caught right now or someone you know found out what

I was doing or it's gone how do you how do you stay chill uh there's two two answers to that and I'm just giving you my opinion somebody else may give you something else but we go through some serious crazy training and it's the most stressful thing you can imagine most of it's uh a a little Hush Hush but I'll show you a video after we're done of me going through that okay uh the second part is you learn that's drilled into your psyche of this thing called combat mindset and the combat mindset is offensive

a aggression uh and it's not being violent but choosing violence and being better at violence than the other person so that if if I feel like someone is about to spot us I'm angry at them for making me kill them so it it's that's the that's the huge shift in mindset is there's nothing defensive yes about this about this mindset that they that they teach to where the as as soon as a threat comes in I have aggression there's nothing like am I going to die so on one side it's like am I going to

get hurt and the other side is am I willing to destroy this human being so it's a yes or no and if it's yes then violence and aggression get turned on and I know for a fact I'm better at violence I may not be more violent but I'm better at violence than that other person is so it's a confidence thing of confidence and training I think it is and the training that you go through is is unbelievable especially when you get into that kind of line of work I was an expeditionary Warfare and that is

just kind of expedited rapid operation kind of a stuff and they put you through some amazing gunfighting schools one of them is like 30 minutes north of here where I went through gunfighting School uh a army base that's real close to here so let's talk about spotting liers so let's start from Ground Zero as if no one even knows even though I I think when like you're you're you always have a sense of like that person's lying and I think most people who are uneducated they just don't know how they know that but everyone has

a feeling right they're like there's something off about that person and you've obviously psych analyzed and you've put together this thing over the last 10 or so years so what are some things we need to look for to spot people who are lying uh so there are some indicators that are pretty well known and I'll give you a couple of those but I think it's the biggest mistake I ever made in my life was spending a 10 Years Learning all of those indicators I built a periodic table of this stuff uh which you've seen I've

seen it and so when it comes to these ators those are important what's really important is being good at detecting change so the conversation starts normally where are you from when are you some basic information I'm getting out of this person and then we get to the harder questions and I'm looking for changes to their behavior are they answering questions the same way that they were a few minutes ago are their eyes moving the same way are their fingers doing the same fate are they breathing the at the same speed so looking for changes is

more important than knowing what behaviors to look for so if I see a big pile of changes I can be almost certain that this person is being decept it without even knowing what I'm really seeing so getting good at changes is the first and most important thing then understanding contexts and clusters so context meaning like well this person uh is crossing their arms they must be defensive well well what if it's 50° outside and they're freezing cold so there's context that that plays in so then understanding context and then clusters I'm going to look for

not just one behavior when somebody says oh somebody scratched their nose or they touch their face they're lying or they looked away for a minute they're lying one Behavior never indicates deception by itself it never should you should always see a cluster of behavior and sometimes someone's lying and those behaviors aren't there they're just not there m and that has to go that goes into Stakes are you good enough to ask questions to raise the stakes so if I give you a picture of a duck right now and tell you convince this person over here

that you are looking at a picture of a horse you're not going to show a lot of deception in the CES but if I do the exact same thing and I say if you don't do this I'm going to put a bullet in your head you're doing the exact same lie the exact same situation now the stakes are higher m so that your deception indicators are are increased so like one of the ways that we might increase Stakes is something as simple as me saying Morgan I like you as a person and I don't want

you to get tripped up so I want you to think very carefully before you answer this question you understand that so now the stakes go up so I've I've just pumped up your body language with just a little paragraph there yeah so then it's going to make it me more sensitive to any sort of deceptive pattern yeah absolutely wraping up your brain yeah uh before the question comes so that and if you're innocent your brain's not going to get ramped up yeah so if a murder took place and you know you're not the killer you're

going to be like yeah okay fine that question won't cause you any stress just it's just like this other question we talking about detecting deception it's not just about Behavior it's about can you ask good questions and one of the best questions in the world is called a bit question and this is where let's say a crime happened let's say some $10,000 was stolen from a grocery store or something and I've got you in here as a suspect uh and you did it let's say you did it and I might say more is there any

reason that you can think of that a video would have showed up from a black and white camera maybe a a security camera that showed that you took the money and if you knew there were no video cameras you'd say no you'd be comfortable right so then I make it more vague and I say more is there any reason that somebody would have say that they saw your car parked outside that store that evening and you don't know how many people I've talked to and the only time that you will get nervous is if you

were there true and you don't and and you know that if you're going to commit to lying and I'm about to slam you in the face with evidence you don't know if I'm about to do that that's one of the B questions so important it works with kids and the second way to do the way to do the B question is is there any reason blah blah blah might have happened so you never are leading them you're not saying I have this evidence ever hypothetical is there any reason somebody would have told one of our

officers or one of our investigators that they saw saw you parked outside of that house or they saw you at around 9:15 p.m. um it's so the more vague the better it is so how would you use that you said with kids so how would you use that with with say your children in completely different context in like an everyday life yeah give me a lie I'll tell you good question well you have kids what what lies the kids say well well things what I used to say was I gave my parents heart attacks from

growing up man of times the police came to the door um I don't know it was just always the it wasn't me I do it I wasn't there yeah so one thing uh is there any reason somebody would have seen you or is there any reason someone would say that you might be there uh is great for kids the best one for kids is is called the punishment question and this is what do you think should happen to the person that did this and so this has been used uh in my life uh talking to

predators and these are people that pray on children and I would say well what do you think should happen to the person that did this and the answer is always something like well definitely they should apologize to the Fang week they didn't need some kind of counseling something like really low yeah ridiculous and they'll they'll say things like obviously that person's sick and they need help and they need some kind of counseling and therapy uh and at on my kids I used this before so when I was in the military I come home in my

uniform one day like the little camo uniform walking in and there's little box of chocolate milk right it's opened and it's just laying on ins side all this chocolate milk is just we had a white rad like an idiot it was kids and my two kids Charlotte and William are in there they're probably five and six somewhere around there and I was like who brought this milk here in the Liv we not supposed to have milk here just water and they like no no I look at my son I don't know I'm like all right

Charlotte living room Willi you cchen sephar yeah uh I went to uh Charlotte and I or no I went to William first no I went to Charlotte first I said Charlotte what should the person that spilled this milk on the floor She said uh spankin no more Xbox no electronics can't go outside can't play with friends grounded I'm like okay all right I over to William I said William what should happen to the person that spilled that chocolate milk on the floor and he goes um no more chocolate milk in the living room so and

what's funny is like it's funny that kids do this but adults react to the same way to that question cuz it's emotional rather that be imagine I'm trying to play in my head I'm like what would be happening cuz if I did it I have images of it happening like so I'm visually I'm I'm playing it it out of my head and if I'm focusing I'm going to feel it yeah and now if you're raising the stakes being like what should happen now I'm visualizing if I get caught It's My Punishment it's going to make

me right I'm freaking out yeah I'm like oh well what if they do what they say that they're going to do what if I do what if they do what I say and so that's the the the bait question and the punishment question those are really good killer and really getting to the truth is when we get down into like the the ways to get a confession yes so we've suspective that people are lying to us we've got a few things we've seen we've asked some questions we raised mistakes we're seeing it but it still

doesn't mean anything until they confess so right I've even heard didn't don't don't don't you have like a record of something for the fastest confession or something I swe maybe something like that you did you did in like 20 something minutes or something I could be wrong yeah yeah so how how do we get confessions out of people now what's up dream Nation have you ever wondered how far ahead your life would have already been if you hadn't got access to this type of content at a younger age look this is why I need your

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let's get back into this episode well if you're ever talking to somebody and you want sensitive information the less questions you ask the better so I'm assuming that most of your listeners are not interrogators so they're in conversation entrepreneurs yeah so we're in conversations all the time so let's say I give you a challenge and I say your CH well say we're standing in a grocery store we're in the produce section and I said Moran here's your challenge you need to go over to this woman over there who's an employee at the store uh within

60 seconds you need to find out how much she makes for a living and you're not allowed to ask any questions you have 60 seconds it's going to be tough right uh so using statements makes people like 10x more likely to reveal information and this is um in a book called uh business confidential and I think that's what it was the guy's name is John I can't remember his last name um but he's the kind of the grandfather of all of this but if you imagine I walked over to that person who's stocking the stuff

in the grocery store and I said you know what oh can you help me find the baby carrots or oranges or whatever and as we're walking together 15 seconds have elapsed so now my time is running out and I say you know what I just read this article that you guys bumped up to $25 an hour that's fantastic congratulations and they look at me like what we only make $16 an hour everybody does who works in this department so I got her to correct me so using statements is a really effective way to do this

I write about it a lot of my books and stuff there's like seven types of statements and this one is called triggering a need to correct the record and people respond heavily to that what would be another in terms of like let's let's raise the stakes a little bit somewhere between getting the grocery store ladies hourly rate and what you do with people or have done with people in the middle like let's say if we're wanting to get information of how other people doing business perhaps their strategies or and we're talking to like a VP

sales and another company a CEO or something where they're like i't going to have what's the different strategy so uh disbelief is a great one so you use an elicitation statement it's what's called a provocative statement first like yeah I heard you guys are doing X Y and Z in business and they say yeah we did X this month and X the other month like no there's no way no one in this industry makes that much money and have they're going to respond by saying what we actually did we hired this company we did that

they said God that had to be the most stressful thing of all time man managing all that stuff because actually no it's pretty easy we hired this firm and we did this we did that so no one feels like they're being interrogated if they're not being asked questions so our brain has this loophole to where if someone's just using statements we don't feel like anyone's being uh intrusive into into our information so we're way more likely to give up confidential information so a provocative statements or sound like so basically you guys just blank blank and

blank or I heard that or read an article that or somebody told me that you guys are doing X or if I'm using a pboc statement and then getting you to correct the record I would say you know what I heard somebody just told me you guys are moving your whole headquarters to Singapore in July they said no it's actually September we're going to be moving this fall so always remember that and then when it comes to get a confessions we can jump into that now if you want to yeah yeah what's the thing yeah

you lead the way okay so when it comes to getting a confession uh being non-confrontational is very important and it's never I have never behaved in my lifetime the way that you see these interrogators behave on television on like the the legal TV shows and stuff it's intense yeah it's very intense angry and confrontational so you want to be non-confrontational and the ways you get a confession is just remember these four words socialize rationalize minim minimize and project socialize rationalize minimize and project socialize you're saying give me a cron and I'll I'll tell you how

the confession would work like one I've done um let's say let's say someone's committed murder okay okay um let's say they murdered Sally who works at the she's the babysitter okay that that person's babysitter and it's a man sure okay so socialize you know what man I think once all this comes out people are going to understand why you did this and I think it makes sense rationalize she's been a to you since day one and I don't know if you found her stealing money from you or she was threatening you she may have even

had a weapon and that would make absolute sense that you took the action that you did what's the next one socialize minimize project minimize project and you know what with all this on TV and the stuff that's going on in your life I don't think this is your fault at all I think you made a mistake and I think that this is something that happens as a result of how you've lived and what you've been exposed to over and over they just put violence on TV all the time and I don't think it's your fault

she was egging you on and egging you on and egging you on into this and it was just this huge Avalanche of bitchiness and scream aing at you and probably I don't know for a fact I'm willing to bet she's probably abusive towards you what's the final one project out socialize rationalize minimize minimize and project so we just did projection so minimizing would be and you know Morgan I I've talked to people all the time who do bad things and this is not a huge deal I've seen a thousand times worse and those people who

might have done way worse things got through this this is something we can absolutely get over this is not a big deal so that's kind of how that whole monologue would work and skill comes into when you try to interrupt me so the skill once I'm saying like I can understand why you did this that's like in your head you're going to like try to object a little bit right yeah uh so is that what you're looking for if I was to like cut in be like no is that a sign of I Didn't Do

It Or is no it's neither one okay it's depend depending on the context but so we'll do a role play here um let's say there's $10,000 missing and I'll say something like and you can interrupt me just one time anywhere in here and I'll show you what that might look like but I'll start to mon load man okay so Morgan we've got this 10,000 that we missing and I'm just glad it's something so tiny because it's they're they only worried about 100K or more based on their insurance and stuff like that so this is absolutely

not that's good so it doesn't me why anyway I know that's very important to you and I promise we're going to get to that I promise you so I know your aunt was sick and I know she had medical bills that needed to be paid and I'm willing to bet that you you did this for the same reason that I wanted to come down you think I did we're going to get to your side of the story I promise you I didn't do it I think you should be talking to the people out there I

do think you're a good person and I think that you did this because you're a good person and I don't think that you're like these people say that you are that's why I wanted to come down here and talk to you supposed to have the day off today and I think that once people hear why this happened that you did this for good reasons and that you're trying to be a good person that they're going to understand and I got to tell you that if I walk out that door there is no help no one's

coming in after me and this is our last chats to get this on record and this is not a big deal people get get through this every day I deal with crazy stuff all the time and I don't think you're a bad person you're wasting your time you're wasting your time here re that's what a monbo Would S like I'm nervous I'm I'm literally like did I steal the money yeah I didn't even feel my my body I my my my foot start to tap just in I don't know if you noticed yeah but I'm

like cuz I'm paying attention to everything I'm wanting to do I'm like I'm uncomfortable well the way that probably if I did it it would have been 10 times more yeah yeah so I can feel the uncomfortableness if you're a good interrogator you could you could kind of Riff on that for like half an hour that's insane and just go into all the ways and the reasons that this might have been acceptable and even getting in like there's interrogators out there that you have to deal with really nasty people and they've got to say things

that they don't mean like I think that she probably grabbed your hand and pushed it under under her skirt and I don't think I don't think you intended that but I think she probably egged you on and like even put your hand up there and that's that's all that stuff in a Big Burrito all that socialized minimize rationalized project and that's a lot of um is even like a lot of hypnotic stuff in there as well it's like mind reading and cause an effect and actually this is why it's also I think I think I

was reading the book presion I'm sure you've read persuasion yeah and one of the things he said there he's like if for whatever reason yeah you ever do find yourself being interviewed by a police officer or a detective say I'm not talking to anyone without a lawyer um even if you didn't do it because they have especially if you didn't do it yeah because they have very good ways of getting you to say things or yeah and this is one tiny example of me making a fake with doing no I already feel like I stole

money yeah it's very powerful and I would say like especially if you didn't do it you should have an attorney there M and the techniques especially if there is a law enforcement officer in the room you're locked up you haven't eaten in a while it makes you about five times more suggestible if you haven't eaten food and they call this interrogative suggestibility and this factor is called a glucose deficit so if your body is in a glucose deficit you're way more likely to falsely confess to a crime or to confess to a crime that you

did so why would somebody falsely confess cuz I've I've seen lots of you know my my girlfriend I think a lot of females they love to watch these documentaries of murder and True Crime and she she studied law so she loves to like psych analyze the the person who did it be like why you know and we've watched tapes of people literally and back in the day when cops were a lot more I corrupt I guess and getting confessions on people that they didn't actually commit the crime and but they still confess yep what would

make somebody confess something they didn't do it's the same thing that would make them shock another person to death it's the same thing that would make a totally rational person join a cult so in the interrogation room I as an interrogator I'm targeting Focus I'm leveraging Authority I'm leveraging the tribe and I'm completely layering down your emotions and I'm I'm controlling your emot with language and movement M so it's the same exact things that that make these crazy psychological experiments work we just weaponizing it you're isolated uh and you're captive and a lot changes in

Psychology when you're captive there's a guy that's on the behavior panel with me his name's Greg Hardley he taught the Army resistance to interrogation school for a long time and would actually capture Americans and we all have to go through this is called sear you have to get interrogated to get captured and put into a dog kennel and all go through all kinds of crazy stuff and he taught this school and he teaches that that's the way like the the your psychology absolutely shifts the moment you become a captive and in that environment unless somebody's

extremely familiar with it so that's why you see some guy that did time before like he's he did four or five years in jail and and then he gets he does another crime they call him into the interogation room try to get him to confess doesn't work doesn't work he's comfortable he's familiar in the environment which makes the novelty disappear so the novelty the newness of the situation isn't there how would you cck someone like that walk on the beach it's very it's very tough so typically the way that you crack somebody like that is

ego up and then ego down so I'm going to pump the and then destroy it and then I'm going to make him feel proud of something and then Pride down and this is from also from Greg Harley but it's I think it's from interrogation training in general and how how many times can I get you up and then back down again and like in the uh what's it like the pickup artist Community they talk about this and in the hypnosis community in Psychotherapy they talk oh yeah this fractionation fractionation they kind of going up and

down makes you way way more V vulnerable so the more I can get you to go up and down the more vulnerable I can get you and now look at what social media does when you're scrolling down your feet the algorithms are programmed to fractionate your brain to make you more suggestible how are they fractionating through social media like cuz I in my opinion I think it's all dopamine I guess if you get like a sad one it's bit of oxytocin and is that what you're saying like different chemicals like that y up and then

down so anything up and down if I can get anger or whatever so like that's why you'll see like on most people's feed it'll be different content it'll see heartwarming rescued baby raccoon and raised as a pet and it's really heartwarming and stuff and the next one is uh this the war that's going on the Ukraine just did this against Russia Russia's doing this now next one is like baby panda baby animal baby animal Israel Gaza Strip dead bodies baby an so and it's every feed and I've checked like if you pull your Instagram out

right now we're filming on your phone but if if we look through anybody's Instagram right now it's the exact same thing it's up and down and up and down yeah it is the most somebody says well that didn't affect me if you think that you're an idiot I'm maybe the number one brainwashing guy in the world right now and I am terrified of social media I'm terrified I have an app limit of 60 seconds online and when you see me posting on social media that's a social media manager uh I'm I just want to issue

that dire warning like if you've got kids a lot more dangerous than you think the human brain is no match for a one trillion doll computer so you're suggesting that they're using vacination to just have more control and I guess teach and program what they want to put put in more control and the app gets there's two things that happen the app gets more sticky so you're more likely to spend more time on the app the second thing is you're more likely to buy the products that are being sold and make their uh a add

revenue and all that kind of stuff is how they generate income so back back to the getting confessions right what if what if you got a confession out somebody and you were wrong like what if you were so good at all this and you got them to confess like what it but then and they didn't do it yeah that's a whole entire it's going to be really difficult to get a false confession without following a few steps to do it and in my interrogation course I have five or seven slides that we go through called

and the literal title is how to obtain a false confession and I teach you every single step in how to manufacture a false confession so that when anybody ER comes back on me and say oh you taught them this and they didn't know it would lead to a false confession absolutely not not only did you learn this technique and know that it did a false confession you did it in this room to this person and here are the behavioral indicators of how to spot like here's a person that's about to falsely confess here are the

things that um that show you a person's falsely confess and do a crime you should be able to identify that especially people in law enforcement they should be able to within 45 seconds you should be be able to see a false confession coming out one thing you've taught me is you've said that everyone's wearing a mask and everyone is actually suffering yeah can you explain this a little bit cu cu I I teach I guess like some of our iral personal development programs back home and a big thing is actually helping people remove all their

masks and become more authentic and just be an authentic person and um and then you're like everyone's really M like I'd like to think that uh you I've got pretty good at remov in mine so can you explain this a little bit we have uh so we all have a Persona the way that we come across we to the world and we have that which is a metaphor the mask is a metaphor for them it's like I I want to be perceived a certain way and that's a mask and typically the mask is just like

I want to be perceived this exact way and most of the time 80% of the time a mask is made up of the opp opposite so I'm displaying the opposite of what I'm most ashamed of so somebody that's secretly ashamed of feeling gay they become like this anti- gay homophobic person so their their mask is made up of the opposite of their shame and insecurities you're right so somebody who's like over the top Alpha like not Alpha but like loud a great aggressive posturing that kind of person is covering up internal shame of feeling weak

and vulnerable being worried about being hurt oh so when you're able if you get good a bab your profiling if you spot a person's mask you're going to spot more hidden fears and insecurities than their best friends know about them so getting good at spotting masks is the first thing that I teach people in my books and courses cuz you sometimes I want to sell if I'm a car salesman I might want to sell that car to your mask yeah and if I'm selling a different type of product I want might want to sell to

the person behind it CU cuz that's what they're insecure about right they want to fix that otherwise the mask would be to their ego right yeah so if I'm thinking back I what would be this one on me then I Growing Up So how I've identified this to me is growing up I'd always be the worker like my report cards at school was always Morgan has a lot of potential he's always getting distracted he's always the class clown getting kicked out so I would always have the mask of being the Joker I'd always be cracking

the jokes and being the funny one and but through understanding myself a lot more I understand actually like that's my stress response mechanism so when I teach through leadership there's different I guess you can call mask CU like self-defeating behaviors and my one is the Joker so so when Co happened and it was all this uncertainty I was like I could have created like a prank page Instagram I was just like that was the funny on like this is hilarious like yeah we might all die like you know I was just and I noticed it

myself I'm like wow I'm so unsure right now I'm stressing so my response is I'm going to crack a joke be funny I'm the funny one all the time so what do you think so my understanding of that is that's why I do it cuz I'm like oh I'm a little bit uncomfortable here so I'll be the funny guy so that would be a mask right so what do you think is behind that that would be an insecurity about getting reactions out of people and connecting with people so typically when you see an exaggerated humor

is a lack of intimacy like I can't genuinely connect but I can make them laugh and I can get an emot I can pull an emotion out without connecting with that's true yeah so what do you do about that it's funny cuz lately I've been like like I I can connect very well with people but then yeah sometimes on like a super deep level I'm more like yeah yeah yeah I think that's interesting the way to get rid of most of our masks is increasing our comfort with receiving social injury am I willing to be

socially injured by doing this give me an example so I'm let's say I'm the the alpha a guy right and I want to get rid of that mask is I need to understand what am I really ashamed of and am I willing to be injured for it am I willing to put it out there and be injured for it so like go and gets humiliated no am I willing to uh actually go out in a conversation and actually just say man I'm just I'm terrified that you know somebody's going to hurt me be vulnerable yeah

I'm I'm doing the opposite of what my mask is yeah and people are like whoa I can't do that I can't do what I'm insecure about I can't just be open about all these insecurities people are starving for that kind of behavior right now that's why Joe Rogan has 10 times the viewers at CNN so like we know like fake versus real we're starving for real stuff there's fake Instagram fake people on social media there's so much fake everywhere that we want like please give me one thing that has a feeling of being real to

it so I think now is the best time ever to start letting go of social mask letting go of insecurities and especially shame and stuff like that be open to social injury so we were talking before we recorded I looked at all your KL Yung books I didn't even know the guy has so many books and uh I asked you like what's the best thing you've learned from him you said Collective Consciousness and one of the other things I know like Kong's really known for is Shadows integrating Shadows would this be another way of sort

of saying that like cuz once you sort of bring the thing that's unaware what what's he say once you make the unconscious conscious yeah it's it's no longer a problem or something anymore so it's sort of like his whole thing was becoming aware of the things that were hiding and bring them to light so I can see why bringing that out in someone would make it sort of dissolved CU now they're more aware of it um is that what you've kind of found yeah like with the Shadow and just bringing anything everything decays in the

sunlight so just kind of bringing all that stuff that's hiding in the dark pulling it all out and just putting it out in the light where you can see it like clear as dead and one of the things I do with my clients is when they have these like limiting beliefs is a a phrase that gets thrown around but it's a belief like uh if I'm not funny no one's going to enjoy my company right would be maybe one of the limiting beliefs that that you might have had m so I take a client's limiting

beliefs and make them ridiculous like everyone's going to hate me if I don't make them laugh which is stupid your brain automatically rejects that right so then I take that phrase and I put it on like a beautiful wallpaper and I make the clients put set it as their desktop on their computer to having to stare in and fully rejects that limiting belief or print it out make it into a poster so it looks like a motivational poster but it's your stupid ridiculous limiting belief right in your face uh and it's in the sunlight so

much that your brain starts rejecting it you don't have to set up like there's no seven-step goal setting plan just put it right right up there your brain's automatically going to start rejecting it because it's bizarre and and ridiculous I'm very curious to talk about and I don't know if you want to talk about this I forgot to even ask you so but you made a video about it so I'm assuming you're okay um to talk about what's happening with your brain at the moment yeah and cuz you're a neuroscientist as well and we're talking

about about um the blue dye you've been taken so can you give a little bit of context of what is happening with your brain what have you noticed and what are some things you're doing from a neuroscience level that everyone can be doing to really improve their new I can't even think of the word neurons neuro my brain's gone not much sleep last night but yeah how we can sort of improve our cognitive function and uh yeah make our neurology super healthy yes uh so I uh studied Neuroscience medical neuroscience and the neuroendocrinology as postgraduate

uh certifications and stuff and I found out I had epilepsy four years ago probably and it was temporal epilepsy so it hits you right in the hippocampus where your memories are oh and it is like Soul shaking uh when you have a seizure your body doesn't shake you're not not doing all the crazy stuff you see on TV like but you just like your head Falls and you're gone my seizures were about 60 seconds long uh and they felt like around 6 to n months of time inside of that 60 seconds it's it's a it's

a horror movie what are you thinking like are you seeing things images you're you're not really conscious of yourself being present you're kind of dreaming like 50 dreams all at one time time that are bizarre and weird and and almost all of them are mocking you uh it's bizarre and then the moment you come out of the seizure it takes four or five days because all those dreams are now stored in where my normal memories are in the same file cabinets and the same storage area so it's days and days of having to kind of

repair that and mentally think like I would have times like my dog would come here into my office and I would look at my dog and think is my dog real is is this real like is she real uh and then taking my wife into labor and delivery we have a six-month-old baby now uh she was born with Christmas eat and we drove to the hospital I helped her out of the passing your seat walked her all the way into the delivery War I had no idea who she was no idea and I just knew

like I'm driving her to a hospital she's pregnant if I just play along maybe you know it's I'm going to pop back into reality and it it's terrifying and then uh about 6 months ago right after that I started taking this stuff called methylene blue and that reversed my entire life and really I'm above 100% now I'm better than I was before is this like are you tracking this somehow is this just how you feel feel and think I'm tracking it with pressure heart rate variability pulse oxygen levels cognitive tests on on a weekly basis

not every day but I'm tracking this meticulously and methylene blue I've given to my family my grandmother's on it my mom is on it U but my daughter is taking it what have you no with your grandmother I'd be curious on not like someone who's older saved her life and so many people uh can benefit from it it's not just ology how do you get it if you want to go into the science of methylene blue we can I'd be curious on it yeah cuz like has there been cuz you told me like it's blue

D I'm like if you're telling me it's good I'm like okay but blue dye yeah let me give you the Sal pitch yeah so yeah they came out with methylene blue in the 1890s and this is when textile mills were being built and they had these huge looms and we needed to dye lotss of fabric all all at one time so it came out this methylene blue and the doctor who discovered it uh started using it to stain bacteria and stuff on microscope slides and this is 1890 so then they starts injecting a rat with

it and then you do an autopsy on the rat and every single neuron in this rat was bright blue it soaked up the Blue Dot and they're like they couldn't figure this out then they started giving it to animals and they figured out this is in the 19 1900s 1901 this got one of Nobel PRS for this really and the first time in human history the words Magic Bullet were ever used was the doctor describing methylene blue they figured out that it would treat viruses and bacterial infections urinary tract infections all kinds of stuff going

wrong in the body could be treated with methylin so so it's it's a healing it's a healing thing yeah I could poison you right now with Cyanide and let it sit in your body and infiltrate every one of your organs and then give you methylene bluing get out you be okay yeah and and how long doesn't cide kill you fast it's pretty quick and so how long does this get to work it's pretty fast it's intravenous it's it's fast so every every emergency room in at least in America carries methylene blue for that exact uh

methemoglobin if they've been poisoned yeah or or if someone like a kid at a baseball game eats like 10 hot dogs in a row which is so high in nitrites that the the overc concentration in nitrites now starts acting like uh poison and the kid turns blue and this dad's looking at his son is like my little kid's blue he six years old his whole body's blue he's not getting any Oxygen takes him to the hospital boom they give him methylene blue and he's good to go so how much are you taking take it daily

yeah uh the dosage I do uh around 2 milligrams per kilogram of body how do you is it how do you take it they they make different ones the one I take is from this company called Mido Zen uh this guy named Dr John Lun runs the company and he's now a friend of mine um and I take it it's kind of the consistency of like a starburst like it's a odd side that you eat it you don't want to eat it it's die it's like it's industrial braid die so if it sits on your

tongue for longer than like three seconds your mouth is going to be B so how do you think it just quickly swallow yeah put it in there and and take it down really quick and it turns your urine break and it's strong enough that your toilet bowls will be stained in your house I don't know if you went to the bathroom in here yet in my bathroom if you saw that it was blue uh yeah that's methylene so you'll see it holy doly so let me tell you the the science side of methylene blue so

methylene blue has an affinity or is attracted to mitochondria which is the the little energy thing about our our cells we have the most amount of mitochondria in our nervous system so our neurons and all that have the most mitochondria we have a a lot of mitochondria just mitochondria in your body make up around 6% of your body weight that's how much mitochondria we have so methylene blue has an affinity for mitochondria so it works it gets rid of things in your body called reactive oxygen species so this is an oxygen molecule that should have

two hydrogen on it and become water so your body your body's job is I've got something coming in I'm going to convert that to water and get rid of it so if it's got extra hydrogen or one less hydrogen on it your body could process it so that's called a free radical people said that a lot so free radical is a reactive oxygen species so methylene blue goes in and starts getting into this and correcting all of these oxygen molecules getting them to turning them into water and free radicals is a root of like everything

all all the illnesses that you could probably name off if I gave you three hours to name off illnesses they would have something to do with reactive oxygen species so methylene blue gets rid of reactive oxygen species but from that process it acts as a recipient of an electron it me it can receive multiple electrons but then it goes into these little mitochondria and acts as an electron donor and donates extra electrons to mitochondria which helps all of your cells all of your healthy cells in your body start producing more ATP adenosine triphosphate which is

energy so everything healthy throughout your entire body and brain is now has more energy and is healthier and has a less reactive opgen species to deal with there are a thousand benefits there's even a report that came out I don't know 9 months ago uh there's there's over a hundred now but there's reports that say methylene blue will treat covid and stop stop covid not like once you get it you take it it will stop co uh and this these are open research now of course I'm not giving anybody medical advice uh I'm not a

doctor but uh it's very well researched and it's one of the most life-changing things that I've ever done in my entire life is taking methylene blue wow and it's really fun if it's snowing outside but you can go outside and make blue snow ah so when when I when I look at all injuries or um not so much injuries but pain disease I also I always like to look at it from you know science but then also like a metaphysical thing as well from like doing or NLP and Quantum healing and stuff like that I'm

curious to know if you've looked at or if you believe in outside or if you looked outside when it came to that specifically cuz when I first heard about that I'm like I wonder what would cause iy like what emotional like do you think it's any sort of like suppressed emotion unconsciously like you've probably done some gly in your life um what I'm there's a medical name for that it's called a conversion disorder okay so when something happens in our life and then it manifests itself in our bodies as some kind of physical disease you

could see this with uh a kid goes into the he's 19 goes into the doctor's office and his hand is like permanently curled up into this little fist ball and so they say oh he needs to go see a neurologist and the neurologist said well we can't figure out the signals are misprocessing maybe he's got Parkinsons myia gravas or all these weird things they start kind of rattling off and they found out this is just like since I think the 1930s that this kid's hand just did this because he watched his dad abuse his mom

for 10 years and never could do anything about it and he's still suppressing all this stuff in his hand story Chon so we can manifest physical illness all the that's proven science um and you can't study Neuroscience without hearing Quantum stuff they'll always talk about you can't understand Neuroscience without quantum theory being heavily involved and every other paragraph in every Neurology textbook in the world is like as far as we know or as we think or the leading theory is we don't even know where memories are stored yeah we have no idea uh so it's

funny that like people around like Oh I'm a neuroscientist I'm an expert in something that we don't even understand one tenth of a percent of we have no real clue how everything works so it's when it comes to all of this healing stuff if you we go back to the methylene blue for one second methylene blue is blue because it absorbs red and it reflects blue that's what makes anything blue right so if you are in methylene blue blue and then you're doing red light therapy methylene blue converts your mitochondria and I think I I

think I have this right converts the mitochondria to also run on photons in a good red light machine I don't know if you saw mine downstairs when I'm using yeah a good red light therapy machine can penetrate up to 4 in and if methylene blue is in your system it's like 1,000x returned on your investment because it all that blue soaks that red up completely yeah so the reason I asked is because I have a friend back in Australia and he's had two well three strokes and last time I interviewed him I'm like cuz he's

he's a big big performance coach studied you know everything forever I'm like stroke that's the manifestation of anger he's like yes anger right so it's like that emotion so I understand it is like conflict will create cancer or like not will but you know what I mean like if I ever got cancer first thing I've been doing is going where's the conflict yeah and I'm just wondering if have you looked on that side of things when it comes to your epilepsy could uh but most most times if somebody's got epilepsy you can draw it back

to physiological okay or a genetic predisposition so I have a genetic predisposition for epilepsy and then I've gotten lost and lots of copious head injuries in the military from explosions and all kinds of crazy stuff uh so it's definitely a result of some kind of physical trauma and scarring or or what we call like just some kind of tissue in the brain receiving uh scarring and uh Aion on a certain part of your brain and that tends to uh that can sometimes develop into something called mesial temporal sclerosis where the Scara or scar tissue is

kind of spreading so your cell dies a neuron dies it releases something into The Ether around it that tells the other neurons that they might also consider dying uh so it's kind of a spreading uh process to where you kind of lose it all and methylene blue is so far I think reversed like not just stopped the symptoms but it's turn the it's rotating the clock backwards for me I'm Keen to check it out stop paints some blue um and you can post a photo of my protocol that I follow yeah yeah I'll share that

um whatever links and stuff you go we can drop everything below as well um but to kind of wrap this up like like I said to you before I'm like I could I'll talk to you as I'll talk to you until you kick me out of your H um but when it comes to detecting lies getting confessions um influencing people selling and really just being the person who controls the conversation the communication and getting what they want what's the one thing I haven't asked that people need to know to be the best they can at

that skill you need to be off camera the same way you want people to see you when nobody's looking are you still that same person so like if you put hidden cameras in my home am I still disciplined do I still practice the stuff that I preach if you sat down and interviewed my wife for four hours and trying to interrogate her to figure out am I the same person on camera that I am off camera because everybody's been had the experience of like I'm going to a fancy dinner and I'm going to put on

my really really nice clothes but I've got like a 7ot pile of laundry my sink's full of freaking dishes and all that kind of like your house look like yeah and then you go to this party and there's a secret part of our brain all of our brains that's dedicated to remembering that I am not who I'm presenting myself in congruence yeah and it's not the in congruence that other people are seeing per se it's what incongruence that other people are feeling they're feeling your internal in congruence so if I speak to you from a

place of in congruence I'm speaking to a place of in congruent in you and then the result is you're like wow Chase had great body language he read all those articles on how to look confident and how to have the symptoms of confidence here's how confident people act but something's off like something was off about that conversation so that's the number one thing is am I living with congruence if I'm trying to present myself as a not like a rich or anything like that but am I just like am I living like I'm I going

to a job interview do I want to look disciplined will you better be and Now's the Time to start so like if you haven't started now this is the time like I need to be disciplined now you start living off camera like Oh I'm a leader when I go to work leader shouldn't be something you do it's something you are so I'm am I a leader at home am I waking up when I saying I'm waking up am I waking up am I doing all the things off camera when no one's looking because that changes

who I am when I'm on camera I love that I a mentor once said to me um it was it was quite similar stuff where he said cuz cuz I was doing all the things and then when I was not on I'd be somewhat different not like bad but just not I would more party or whatever yeah and he's like your self-esteem comes down to your level of self-esteem comes down to who you are when you're by yourself and the things you do when no one's watching cuz you're always watching and I'm like and that

changed the game for me it changed a lot because it's like last scene in 8 Mile I don't know if you've seen it or watch it is but it pretty much is like the rap battle in the last scene is he goes first this is Eminem and he goes first and he literally destroys himself he says here's all the bad things about me he's like he's just saying all this he's like now come on now you go tell them something that they don't know about me and he destroyed him he's like well how do he

beat that it's like completely owning be like this is I know exactly who I am I'm not trying to be anyone else I'm authentical injury yeah and it's like and when I start doing that I started Living completely differently so I'm like there's not one thing you could say to me publicly that be like come believe someone knows I'm like I don't give a it's like yeah totally agree yeah and that's that's what Eminem did he like he injured himself socially nobody else could do that yeah man this has been amazing um where can everybody

find you on social media you've got massive YouTube channels um so tell everybody where they can find you get access to all the incredible stuff you teach and how they can even work with you yeah if you want to follow the behavior panel on YouTube that's the best place to go for learning people reading you just type my name into Google or you could just go to my name chase.com I love it all right Chase I ask everyone a question to wrap it up and the question is if you to go back to your 18-year-old

self and give him 30 seconds of advice what would it be practice calm enjoyment when you have the temptation to hit the fast board button on little things that you're doing and common everyday things like mowing the lawn washing dishes those are the moments that determine who you become as an adult