Parents Discover Teen Son's Horrifying Secret

it's right here oh you see it yeah cuz there's an arm there's an arm there's another arm there's another one parents have some concerns of some stuff they may have found in your room yeah I believe so and what would it be a human head and hands now11 is John with address emergency hi there is an emergency I found found something in my son's carpet wrapped in a plastic bag okay what was it I think it's a human Hood it's a what I think it's a human hood on March 1st 2021 police at Grand Junction

Colorado received this chilling 911 call a mother has just discovered a disturbing secret hidden within her son's closet even more terrifying he's currently just outside the house while she makes this call for help why do you think it's that because it looks like it's a saw an ear is it all is it a bloody or does it like anything like that just told you to come do I have to take a picture and send it to you come the dispatcher tries to get as much information as possible to make sense of this shocking call and

give officers an idea of what they might be walking into did your something I know he just pulled up we wanted to make sure he was here before we called how old is he 19 he he's had a little bit of a fascination with The Morbid but he was channeling it I thought into becoming a crime scene investigator but not to much do you think he's going to be cooperative with us I don't know I don't think he'll be violent just came back from his friend's house does he have any weapons in his room or

do you guys have any in the house I don't know I think that he has a shotgun but we can certainly remove it immediately before he gets in this room he h by the car now so is the bag still in the closet now it's in my kitchen sink and there's a secondary bag that I have not opened it's currently covered with a towel taking yeah there's a second bag though I don't know what's in it I didn't open it I'm sorry did he take he took the second bag out of the closet I took

the second bag out of the closet and put it in the sink where's Brian now I think he's still outside and you're in the backyard now I am yes cuz I don't want him to hear me despite the horrifying nature of this call police could not have anticipated The Twisted Tail of violence they were about to embark on nor did they have any idea just how shocking the motive behind the inexplicable horror would be one day prior to responding to this harrowing incident the Emergency Services had attended to a rather unusual call at 2: a.m.

on Sunday February 28th 2021 19-year-old Brian kohi Jr is having a bad night as officers arrive at the blueair and boat ramp they can scarcely believe their eyes eyes the majority of the following footage has never been seen before it's been analyzed by a qualified team including a licensed professional counselor a licensed clinical psychologist and a former detective former licensed polygraph examiner and former hostage negotiation commander and instructor how do we call it toe for that I don't know cuz he'd have to get in the freaking water yeah I called blacks Towing they want me

to text them a photo of the car because they think they might be able to pull it out okay um so you already have you're already in contact with them yeah but I have I only have like 10% battery left on my phone and now he wants me to text him a photo of the car and I'm like oh good lord um I can take one and text it to him for you if you'd like oh that would be fantastic thank you it's not every day that police officers see a car floating in the Colorado

River to try and make sense of what they're observing the officers speak to Brian's mother uh is it inexperienced driver okay put his car here on the angle got out and and when he went to get back in he wasn't able because of the angle to pull it out I don't know he he's right there we'll talk to him real quick sounds good officers decide it's best to get the story straight from the horse's mouth and 19-year-old Brian has no choice but to own up to his mistake little do these officers know there's a sinister

secret lurking in the background of this crazy story is your son right here y hey partner you want to come out talk to me real quick sure I mean appreciate I'm really cold is it okay if it's in here he that's fine I I did not know that no that's please please stay in the car all right nobody else in the car no no no just us I'm the father that's the mother this is our son he 20 minutes ago and said dad I parked at the boat ramp and I messed up I tried to

get out of the car and slid down well you're not hurt right you're okay no just a little cold as all just side your pride a little bit and probably $7,000 okay all right man um you have your ID with you driver's license by any chance thankfully what were you doing down here bud well I felt like I needed to get out like and I figured why not Park here and just just relax a little bit relax and think and I parked on the boat ramp and I thought it would be easy to get out

but when I tried to where did you park exactly were you down the hill a little bit yeah just a little bit and then when he got back yeah go ahead when I got back in I tried to put it in drive and it didn't go up so then I tried putting it in low gear shimming it a bit that didn't work were you facing down no I was facing I was facing up you we you back down yeah that's a really good idea it's a predicament so ridiculous that the responding officers can't help but

laugh how we're going to handle this man do I get a toe going for a car in the river and see if anybody will take this I'm going to work on that I don't know man so I'm kind of glad you were coming down here cuz I was like uh it's not a crash he just dude it's like out in the water he parked it and basically couldn't get it up it just lost traction looks like and then he he actually went in it down in the water he's not hurt at all so I'm like

are you going to get this car out if possible I don't know the officers are convinced that this is a teenager's mishap it will be some time before they begin to suspect that there's anything more to this story than what they've been told we're going to get some options for you here man I'm not sure exactly if we're going to we're going to see if we can go through the list if anybody's got say ideas on getting this car out of here okay or not I don't know I don't seen a whole lot of uh

cars that have put themselves in that situation so we're gonna know see what we can do and I'm I'm actually the owner of the of the life jacket program on on the boat ramp here I do all the life jackets Grand Junction Colorado so it's like oh my God this is not it happens it happens faced with embarrassment over the whole ordeal Brian's mother talks with the officers yeah we made him wait till he was almost 18 before he got his driver's license because we didn't want to M any accidents like they do when they're

16 and 17 stupid things but stupid he doesn't have any I guess yeah not going to lie this is my first time too really it's a new one for me what's that so I've never seen one of these either so it's a new one for me on my on my like backing up when people back up their boats I see accidents where when the truck goes Accidentally In The Water next you know the boat and the truck's in the water lost them just let me know if he does that way if not we can try

and get hold of a tow truck then go from there no it's at an angle it's heading up River it's facing up River yeah yes the for the front of it is facing up River damn it I'm sorry it keeps losing the call and he's like I don't want to get wet I don't have the proper clothing to go into the water and get wet yeah hey Robert well you know I just I was just talking to the patrolman and they're suggesting that we just adjust this in daylight hours that's why they make the big

bucks they're smart nobody nobody wants to get in the water I hear you at long last the officers make contact with the towing company willing to come out to the river in the middle of the night and risk The Frigid Waters with help on the way they finish things up with the cohes if you guys want to stay warm more than welcome to jump in that car and say where it's does he need to stay here is he free to go he would I'm sure he'd like to go home and get warm I'm sure he'd

like to get some fants on yeah right yeah it's not a crash it's mistake this a stupid all right I'm gonna take him home then and then we'll come back here and figure out what's what with Terry and and Brian senior take Brian home but they soon return without their son to the boat ramp nearly an hour later the tow company is making progress but as the car nears the shore the officers make a disconcerting Discovery hey quick question for you so the back bumper I don't know you can probably see it from here a

lot of red on the back of that dripping down it all a little bit but underneath the license plate little area right there okay okay red which means looks like blood blood yeah I don't know if did your son hurt himself on his way out at all he might have he just didn't know it I don't know that's a good that's what I'm asking it's a good question he's at home is he make sure he's not got a cut or he just said he's going to bed something out on him somewhere that he's not aware

of maybe because his adrenaline was a little high maybe you just have him to do like a self check make sure he's okay well Brian are you okay they see blood on the back bumper of the vehicle really yeah did you get hurt no what are you sure you don't have any injuries no I'm fine there's blood on it we're not sure we're not sure it's a red something red underneath the license plate similar blood stain oh no all right but you're not injured you don't have any cuts no I don't know what would cause

blood or whatever it is on the bum but you're not injured no I'm not injured officers may have some concerns about the mysterious red substance on the bumper but they released the car into the koh's custody however on March 1st the next day the police once again find themselves at the Blue Heron boat ramp a homeless man by the name of Warren Barnes has been reported missing officers speak to the woman who called in the report how how do you know Warren I'm I own Monique's Bridal downtown and I give him a chair to sit

and read his books when was the last time you saw him Saturday 5:00 I said I'll see you tomorrow Warren and he was like okay meaning he planned on coming down on Sunday and then he did not show up so I'm thinking if they saw him Saturday maybe it happened more up there because it's weird he would never come down here he would never come all the way down here Hees have a camp down here anything no he worked for people ready and someone found the wallet and called people ready this morning and they said

that everything looked like it was in there cuz he doesn't have much and I just gave him $20 for beer so I know that he had maybe a couple bucks so they his wallet just down here at the boat ramp Monique lenat has forged a special friendship with Warren over the years so why did you what a raised concern with you today to report him missing because the place people ready called to see if I had seen him because he didn't show up for work and he's never once not shown up for work in the

four years he's been working for them so I said no and that I hadn't seen him since Saturday he camping down here no no she's never seen or heard of him being down here that's why I'm freaked out because there's no way he walked all the way down here and his wallet just so in how many years four years yeah that's as long as I've known him officers soon find that Mo'Nique is not alone in her concerns about the missing Warren Barnes and he literally shows up every morning every day without fail like at 6:00

sometimes a little sooner and we always let him in before the customers we give him free coffee he's the nicest old man ever do you talk to him at all all the time so every morning at around 6 yeah without fail without fail and he's the nicest guy ever rough looking but he is the nicest guy monate gives officers a photograph of Warren and the hopes that it'll help with their search so that's the only picture you have of him that's the only one I have and that's from June of 2019 so he's a little

bit thinner okay so who found his wallet down there um the lady from the place said that it was whoever runs the life jacket thingy I'm I'm actually the owner of the of the life jacket program when when the boat R beer okay well thank you of course I hope you guys find him I hope he's okay if anything I just hope you find him so that we can start the next process of whatever cuz I don't I don't know I just have a really bad feeling Monique's tone doesn't convey much hope and with only

an old photograph police have very little to go on however things are transpiring across town as it turns out it was indeed Brian koh's father who called about the wallet he found it in the most unlikely place the now recovered Ford 500 that his son accidentally sank in the river with her suspicions raised Brian's mother goes into his bedroom to investigate it's March 1st 2021 the day after the car incident at the boat ramp and Terry kohi is about to make a horrifying Discovery as she opens her son's closet I think it's a human Hood

it's a what I think it's a human Hood why do you think it's that because it looks like it a saw an ear shocked and terrified by what she's found in her son's closet Terry kohi nonetheless has the presence of mind to keep Brian in the dark while she gets police to her address deputies from the Mesa County Sheriff's Office arrive at Brian's address wisely leaving their Sirens off as they approach this could have frightened the young suspect and it's important to keep him calm for the initial interaction what's going on man the deputy makes

contact with Bri using a friendly disarming greeting which goes further to establish an atmosphere of calm of course at the same time the deputy is certainly scanning the area for any potential threats as well as making sure that Brian has his hands where he can see them how cooperate I am going to cooperate okay so parents have some concerns of some stuff they may have found in your room um yeah I believe so and what would it be a human head and hands you have anything on you he's going to cut poke hurts stick me

anything without reaching for nothing don't reach for nothing my phone and my wallet that's it well I'm going to have you face that way put your hands on top of your head for me real quick I just want to make sure you interlace your fingers for me real quick all right it's important that the deputy only ask enough questions to figure out exactly what is going on at the scene and while this is not the kind of encounter that even a veteran police officer would be accustomed to it's Brian's parents who must slowly absorb the

shock of their 's admission I'm going to have you walk over here you're going to sit in the back of my partner's patrol car for a minute okay not yet okay just sit back there and hang out for me okay can you walk me inside happen begin okay let me do it you go inside well let's stay out here with me for a minute sit down come on sit down bab can can I go in there and verify here first we haven't seen it yeah we haven't looked at it it's under the towel in the

and sh with you mother give just make sure that guy goes in the car first you can go in the sink house empty okay had a bag you about what happened this weekend and she said there's a bag in this closet and she opened it up and she called me and said get over here right now the deputy correctly asks for permission to enter the house so that he can confirm the Grim contents of the kitchen sing I cover okay him to see it CU we didn't want him to run I don't want to look

at it yep just sit back there and hang out with me okay how are you I'm good sir how are you you said your name is Brian yeah I'm not feeling too well you're not feeling too well all right H these past few days I've been very very anxious that's understandable so what we're going to have you do here is I'm just going to have you sit in the back here okay I'm going to turn on the air for you in a second that way not too hot are you a hot blooded or a cold

blooded kind of guy I am very cold blooded I prefer cold well no actually sorry Hot Blooded hot so you prefer the cold okay fantastic all right so hop in here I know you're tall so it's a little bit of a tight squeeze but like I said I'll get that air on for you sorry about that all right redemption's been quite violent lately the officer has no response to this observation how you holding up Brian okay A bit thirsty you guys have any water in your home I can't make any guarantees we're going to be

able to go in and get some but I will get some water to you as soon as I can okay all right Brian we're headed to the Sheriff's Office and your family's going to go with us okay she also doesn't respond on the way to the Sheriff's Office when Brian casually makes another chilling remark was under this bridge okay bran thank you problem sir so walk with me we're going to walk right this way okay you're fine with me not being cuffs I'm fine with you not being cuffs okay thank you all right Brian open

this door for me please just walk from Bri I should have a mask you're okay don't worry about it okay keep on walking keep going take another left hard left right here right here sorry all right so have a seat and we'll be with you in a moment okay thanks Brian with Brian situated in the interrogation room investigators speak with his parents to find out what happened that harrowing morning right here just take your time take as much time as you need okay so I know very little about what's going on today so um what

started all of what's going on Terry relays the incident at the boat ramp so we had the car towed back to address and of course with the battery being wet and nothing was operating and so my husband was cleaning out the car cuz he was going to take it into Scotty to see if they could be Salvage it okay and um he found a wallet so he called me this morning and he said found a wallet Brian's car oh and the officer thought that there was blood on his car the night that was in the

river the scene and you know he had just had a procedure done on his armpit a few days before so I thought maybe the adrenaline opened that back up and that's where it came from I don't know and he said I don't know where came from and he took special effects class last summer which invol fake blood okay and he's like you know one of those fake blood containers first in my trunk it's probably that and I was like okay that makes perfect s however his father Brian kohi senior found something even grizzli in the

car's glove box and decided to confront his son went back out there this morning just to continue and I opened the glove box and there was a knife in the glove box underwater the glove box is full work very large knife and then as I go around the pass to I open the pass and there's a wallet in between the store and open up that's not Brian's wallet it's frozen solid God that's not Brian's wallet so I take him inside I end up getting one of the rods of cards out there a Labor Ready I

read that so I called Labor Ready and then another another one there was a social security card I was like hey this is a weird call but I've got a wild here with so and so's name and I'm I'm hoping he works for you all or he's an he you sub him out or whatever oh yeah my one we've been missing him yes he didn't show up today like oh my God now we got to miss first okay well I found this wallet at Blue boat ramp so here's my name here's all my information if

you get a hold of him tell him I've got his wallet here at my house okay so I left that like that called Brian Brian what's going on why is that W car oh I got it down the book when I was down there walking around okay and and he was so sincere I I I I took it all I want to believe him because he's my son sure we found fin happened and all this going on in the last two days how come you didn't tell us about the wallet dad I was just so

excited with all the going on my car getting total because it's wet now I won't start I I didn't think about it I didn't think it was important Dad I'm like Brian who is one who is this one Whatever guy dad I swear to you B I only know one one he's my school friend it's not him I I believe him Blood on the that on the bumper and I'm like like a smear of blood and I'm like that didn't come from that cut asked him right you tell this the truth I knew I didn't

want to believe going that got feeling despite the red flags the family put the strange accident at the boat ramp behind them but no one was prepared for the spine chilling Discovery Terry made the next morning I was in his room cleaning up putting some things away and he has a rubber made container in his closet and so I just kind of started digging through going you know what's what is this mess you know mom's do and I saw a plastic bag a white plastic trash bag and I was like what in the world does

he have in here and I picked it up and it was heavy and I held it in my hands and I was like what in the world is this what the world is not like maggots covering something I don't know I better take it in the sink so I carried it out to the sink and it was double bags so I ripped up in one bag and I saw my old BL and in the second I didn't open we second his bag okay I called my husband I I said Bri junor had already G over

his friend's house he said Mom I want to go over to Kai's house and I said okay but you know don't be over there too long he goes yeah I should only be over there maybe 3 or 4 hours it's going hang out with her and I said okay this friend was kylin unlike and police would speak with her shortly so I called his father he said hi just speaking Andy up from SCH at 12:30 1230 whatever I don't know what time it was I just said you need to come over here right now and

he said okay well I got handy with me and I said you need to come over here right now he said okay I'll be there in a few minutes H up kylin like's mother Heather Gail recalled what she saw after Brian ended the call and my only memory of that was the way he peeled out of the driveway I actually have a picture somewhere on my phone of the marks when he left to go cuz his brother called in my guest and said I need my car back we know of course that this was a

ruse on the part of Brian's parents to get him back to the house after their horrifying Discovery Brian my husband was already there by that point and he put a towel that b me a b we fed a plan to call CI and tell him that his brother needed the Mustang for a driving lesson cuz he's a new Learners just as he pulled up I call and he kind of knew something was up Dad you ever feel like the day is going to change he started saying things I'm like yeah we just being really vague

me and Andy was sitting here Mom was on the phone over there talking to 91 and it just seemed like it took forever as his parents continued to speak with the detectives investigators Pete Berg and Lisa norc cross join Brian in his room over the next 2 hours they will hear a shocking story of blood curdling evil and before the interview is over they will even learn the Dreadful truth about Brian's ill-fated trip to the boat ramp thank you Mrs Lisa she would show hiy how are you okay you good thanks never really good seats

uh sure a special chair special chair It's s I'm Brian is as cooperative and pleasant with the investigators as he was with the deputy who escorted him to the Sheriff's Office but his nervous shaking and insatiable thirst indicate he is perhaps not as calm as he's trying to appear the question is whether he's anxious about his fate or excited about his moment in the spotlight one thing to keep in mind is that according to his mother Brian is diagnosed with ADHD and autism and leg shaking can be a normal stimulating behavior for people with these

diagnoses they read Brian his Miranda writes and he agrees to speak with the officers Brian from here yeah where did you go to school I've uh went to Broadway Elementary School just across from my dad's house then I went to rein Middle School right graduated last year good for you okay do you work yeah where do you work at not even parttime I was going to say part time not even as a bagger SL courtesy C for Safe Way I work anywhere from two to 4 days it may seem at first glance that the detectives

are engaging in idle chitchat to set Brian at ease but this is part of Rapport building and it's also crucial for them to establish early on that Brian has been handling responsibilities such as school in work and is perfectly capable of carrying on a normal conversation this will make it much harder for Brian to claim before a jury that he was unable to tell right from wrong and how did you get here I murdered someone okay it seems that investigator Berg was merely asking how Brian physically arrived at the sheriff's office but Brian doesn't stand

on ceremony with a tone and head tilt that suggests he's bragging Brian makes the ultimate confession in fact he's all too willing to discuss this horrific crime with detectives to start back to the beginning and go slow and tell me many details as you can remember so because I mean Mar going to jail for the 15 years probably I have no idea because we're at the beginning it's it's murder I mean I'm going to jail for okay 20 probably but um so I figured I fighted okay um so what's important to me is to learn

as much about you and what you did and as I can well many details as you can give me the better Brian's polite exterior only adds to The Surreal depravity of his confession he's somewhat of a unique suspect yeah it was the night of February 27th it was a full moon and I figured I could see so well why not try it out I am in a bad State of Mind at that time I have major depressive disorder so I'm not thinking something positively okay and I'm cruising around for an hour an hour and a

half um I fill up on gas halfway through and I'm eventually driving underneath the bridge near the sheriff's [Music] office I'm bad with I'm bad with words I'm just by the way I'm a habitual L shaker I have a question mhm do you some people who have committed crimes like me do we stay in this County jail or are we moved it all depends on what the judge says Brian maintains his Spirit of cooperation but he's clearly concerned about what happens after this interview is over it's interesting to note how he Compares himself to others

with the phrase people who have committed crimes like me almost as if he has joined an exclusive Club so we were at the bridge yes I have the bridge I was Cruis yeah there's a road underneath right uh under the overath and I was driving along and I see a shape here on the railway track so I'm like oh interesting so I go up and as I'm looking I see a large thing wrapped in a canvas okay and I'm like that's a homeless person so I grabbed my knife I put on three layers of gloves

because plastic gloves can betray their users because they're so thin those viny gloves by printing your fingerprints througho so I put on two three on one hand I took the knife I pulled back the canvas and I stabbed his neck okay he was panicking at first in his old man voice he was in his 50s I'm not Li I know why I calling old man he was saying what are you doing what are you doing why why and I just kept on stabbing his neck I was this is okay if I do a demonstration oh

yeah this is him I was stred on top of him like this okay and he couldn't fight back it was actually spreading easy I was barely breaking the sweat I thought oh this guy he's going to be tough but no it was actually surprisingly easy and during the time I was growling and making animalistic noises at this point there can be no doubt that Brian is excited to tell the investigators all about his horrific deed not only is he pleased to be holding Court he's actually reliving the murder and relishing the memory demonstrated by A

Smile as for any question of this crime being premeditated Brian admits to having put on three layers of gloves which he already had with him the whole idea last about a minute minute and a half okay and when I was finished stabbing him he took out his last breath a grunt and his head was halfway cut off and SATs all the while no actually after I killed him I just couldn't stop saying stinky dirty dirty sticky sticky wasn't I wasn't selling anything but in an eerie coincidence on one of his social media accounts Brian identifies

himself as that stinky boy registered under his email ID why were you saying that I don't know okay but you remember doing it so yeah I suppose it was just me speaking out my mind at that moment it was a pouring out of mind were you worried about I mean this looks like it's pretty close to the road and stuff somebody seeing it or catching it was 11:00 p.m. so not many were driving by well it was behind the pillar so like here's the road uhhuh it was here so people would only see a brief

thing here and here so were you worried about him seeing you I was worried about one of them stopping what you think it happen if somebody well they looked well it was quite dark under there so they wouldn't have seen the guy unless they look um they would have seen me holding a bloody 12in knife wearing gloves and wearing a mask to conceal my identity face mask okay so you weren't doing it for Co you were doing it you um partially social dist right um yeah but no one stopped and I'm just like H proves

the bystander effect his laughter and off-hand comments speak to his mindset which is that nothing is wrong Brian mentions the bystander effect here which is the idea that the more people there are watching a crime the less likely that anyone will stand up and do anything about it there are a few different reasons behind this but we know that it often occurs because people may be afraid that they'll be judged by the rest of the crowd if they step in first to do something ultimately people are social creatures and the vast majority of people chose

to do whatever the rest of the crowd does it's a rare person that steps forward alone I notice you got a cut on your hand is that from oh that was when I was doing gas when I filled up what happened was because I don't want to be seen in a gas station with a knife poking out of my pocket I put it in the car at the back seat floor when I'm done with it I tryy grab it but my hand flips and grabs the blade and as I pick it up it slices these

two fingers okay and then let's see yeah and then after that I stripped his clothes I cut open his belly to see his guts they're really pinky sorry that was moreid one of the exceptional aspects of Brian's confession is the level of detail he provides together with his casual commentary and jokes these details convey to investigators that Brian is being fully truthful about what he did it's also worth noting that morbid humor has long been one of Brian's trademarks what about other kids in the neighborhood Ora he didn't really you know he had a couple

of friends that he's had since shoot since elementary but you know he had a morbid he had a morbid sense of humor would make jokes and i' say Brian that is not funny he'd go yeah it is mom you just don't get my sense of humor in an interview with prosecutors kylin L who's known Brian since the ninth grade and whose house Brian was visiting just before his arrest says that being provocative is a Hallmark of his personality when I first met him he was very edgy is the best way I can describe it he

loved to get a reaction out of people and say things that would make people have a double take he wanted to go against the flow his jokes were always in the realm of dark humor very rarely did he make jokes that weren't somehow relating to death or violence or destruction or breaking the law or just basically just humor that is considered dark humor and I I know a couple of people personally who just hated him because that's kind of how he is you either think it's hilarious or you hate it and that's the people who

think it was hilarious was the small percentage of people that unfortunately and embarrassingly included myself and my very best friend of School Emily was someone who hated him and you know she's a bigger girl and he would call her fat and call her Pig and call anybody who looked like that things along the same line like just spiteful I guess just trying to like like I said get a rise out of people kylin like is not the only one who noticed Brian's love of sick humor while in a youth diversion program two years earlier Brian

asked the other teens if they enjoyed a snack known as crispy meat bites he joked that the recipe involved running your cat or dog through a meat grinder and then frying them up despite Brian's predilection for dark humor kylin's mom tells investigators that she never worried about her daughter being friends with them he didn't seem scary to me at the time he just seemed unusual like in the way that my nephew and other people I know that are on the Spectrum are just a little unusual like not a lot of eye contact you know things

like that but he never struck me as scary like I said I actually let my daughter and her friends not that I was in charge of her friends but I let her sleep over at his house like a month two months whatever New Year and his mom as far as I know she ran a daycare so I thought you know good with kids whatever you know okay not only does Brian's mom run a daycare she runs it out of her home upon discovering the severed head in her son's closet that afternoon she had to scramble

to get parents to pick up their children before calling police and I sent home all the children I had a few little kids over that I was watching so I called their parents and they they a family emergency please come pick up your children away they're safe they're not hurt parents came hope everything's okay and they took their kids home back in the interrogation room Brian goes into further nauseating detail about the postmortem mutilation of Warren Barnes destroyed his eyes by stabbing them okay and then I cut off his hands I put those in plastic

Ziplock bags and then I cut off his right arm at this joint okay and at this joint and then at this arm I tried cutting it here and then I tried cutting it here but what happened was I accidentally broke his bone this one it was poking out and so I left that one here partially cut dismembered here bone sticking out and then I left his body there and then I took head put it in a leftover pizza box from the dinner a few nights ago and then I took the hands put them in the

back drove home hid the hand and head in my room cleaned the knife threw away the garbage with with the blood on it and then put the Blood Stained wasn't stained it had splatters on it I put it in the dish in the um the washing machine what what did you put in there I put the outfit I murder him in yeah I in in our washing machine put on high speed so it would effectively remove the blood it twice you'll notice again that not only is Brian's level of detail remarkable and disturbing he talks

about the steps he took to avoid getting caught these will undoubtedly be important elements to any eventual prosecution as it goes to establishing his State of Mind back up just so I don't lose track of where my mind is so you cut him open did you cut his arms off his hands off all that before you went home yeah before I went home I toss the arm bits around like I took the right arm bit threw it out okay took the left arm bit threw it out somewhere around that bridge yeah but look in a

cuz I know crime scenes can be a very wide area you're going to want to look in a five in a 10t area uh like this is a zoom in so here's the road and here's where my car was parked you're going his corpses here the interview continues to get more and more bizarre in addition to reliving the mutilation in full pantomime Brian enthusiastically goes over the dimensions and location of the crime scene as if he's a police police Lieutenant giving a briefing to his officers I hope I'm being cooperative oh you're doing great so

you could have just walked over here I could have it's no use trying to deceive so that's North and you threw what all did you throw while you were there I how many there are two pieces of arm this section and this SE okay just in this general area I I couldn't say where they are armed Within information they've been fed from the interrogation police officers descend on the area there they find a scene that will no doubt haunt them for the rest of their lives it's right here you see it yeah cuz there's an

arm hey the female cop starts to laugh when she sees an arm it's unfortunate that the family and the court will hear this there's an arm there's another arm [Applause] some pictures there's another one I don't have a CB this is like something out of TV yeah discussion with the deputy chief about how people how these kids don't have any uh right here's a leg could be the upper arm or a leg well there's three there there and there pieces down there I mean if we can get the lab out here that would be the

best thing foric s Che that other Camp there holy hell as police officers less than half a mile away take measure of the Bleak crime scene under the bridge detective Norcross probes more deeply into the whereabouts of the rest of Warren Barnes remains you took was it the head in the hand and what did you put that well there's a three rule for bodies I like to call the three rule tell me about that 3 days the body starts in stin No 3 hours R Mor sets in the body stiffens 3 days the body starts

to stink because of deep composition three weeks the body is starting to seriously decompose right 3 months the body is unrecognizable 3 years it turns into a skeleton and may ask how you know that I just I've always had a fascination with forensics and with anatomy and physiology that's something I made up so that's something I I don't want to sound like I'm defending something that's that's why I coin you kind of remember it that way that's your way of remembering is it accurate well somewhat somewhat so this segment is fascinating for a number of

reasons not the least of which is the remarkable display of skill on the part of detective Norcross who makes Brian feel as though she's mesmerized Ed by his account of the three rule she gives him a moment of validation at the end and Brian's satisfaction is obvious his ego is stroked and he feels that he's earned the approval of the detectives yeah so what did you you have the head and the hand and house the head I because it was starting to stink I was planning on throwing the head and hands away on the trash

bag not in the kitchen trash but they were both in trash bags the head was in a trash bag I hide the trash bag pans I put in a trash bag as well they were in dip block bags and I was go I was planning do they sell empty paint buckets I was planning to buy an empty paint bucket put the head in it seal it and then I was going to throw it off in some ditch hands I would throw in a different spot forever I'm sorry I just want to make sure I have

it right the head is inside of a trash bag it was well where is it now in the kitchen sink my parents searched through my room and they found the head and hands okay and so are the head and the hands in the kitchen sink now last time I checked okay so they're in the kitchen sink now did your parents put them there but they were in my closet as of now investigators have only found a head hands and several pieces of arm that leaves the mystery of where the rest of Warren Barnes is what

exact kind of trash pag white white like a kitchen one or what like a kitchen okay white kitchen that you put in a trash can yeah and then what about the hands they were inside ziplock you said both in it's in the same both in a different trash bag okay the white kitchen trash bag yes but now they're in the kitchen thing yes and you talked about cutting the I used to be a me cutter I know it's not easy just cut off hands oh yeah it was it was with the knife I was just

CU you practice on anything else how did you know how to do it um no I I just went along as the process the bones I just pressed the blade down went cever them at the LI okay and how hard was it to do that to get them actually not particularly hard I was just more frustrated that I [Music] broke so if you hadn't got frustrated what was your I mean it sounds like what you did we know did you have a different plan um the original because I always wanted to know what it felt

like to cut up someone okay so the arms just so why did you stop you stop the arms were that's it and that's all I wanted to know was was like cutting off a lens and I'm just like okay again the Mind reels when confronted with the nonchalant attitude Brian has toward discussing the murder and dismemberment of a human being and you said you studying criminology and forensics and all that I not not College study or school it's like a packing interest I understand but what were you worried about like leaving evidence behind or caught

totally toally tell me about that and what you did well I was figuring the police don't this is not to be taken offense but police they don't seem to care as much about high-risk individuals homeless people prostitutes Etc so I was deliberately looking for someone who lived that type of life okay and I found a homeless person and the original goal was just e in there but I was worried about the fibers on the outfit I was wearing that would be on his his clothes and stuff so I deliberately messed up the clothes this is

an outstanding amount of premeditation for a youth offender it's a shocking amount for anyone but particularly because of his age his executive functioning is years from being developed and yet he's thought so much of this through it's chilling to think what he may have been capable of had he not been caught Brian remains engaged casual and even jovial as he describes his mindset on the night of the murder his detailed concerns about getting caught will make it very difficult for his lawyers to mount an effective Insanity defense according to kylin L's mother Heather gaale this

isn't the first time that Brian talked about choosing a victim on the outskirts of society anything else you've even things you've heard from kylin come to mind she told me that he had mentioned that he would that he was going to kill a homeless person because nobody would miss them and he could get away with it yet once in an interview kylin tells a different story he never talked to me about wanting to kill homeless person specifically but he definitely talked to me a lot about like killing and I was actually surprised because I figured

that if he was going to do something like this that it would be on a larger scale like I thought he would I don't want to sound vulgar but I figured if he was going to snap it would be like shooting up a store or something similar like that and he had mentioned like not liking his neighbors so I thought maybe something would happen there so I was actually really I was surprised that he had killed someone but I was also surprised that it had only been one person so how long have you been planning

or looking for someone to do this with before you found this guy about a year about a year so 6 months Brian's internet search history adds an interesting element to this as he looked up homicidal thoughts every day and how to cope with murderous thoughts so you come close or seen somebody or chicken out or anything in the past no I mean I was looking for a deliberately secluded place like that one I wouldn't just go up in clion and find someone walking down the street and stab them no that's that's too public everyone sees

that well if you looked like at the homeless place with in the past I have yes I'll go on night drives often maybe once every two weeks now just for the streets so before this guy how close have you come in the past not at all all you just drive around yeah look just try and find anybody interesting no in your mind thought of a plan well occasionally when you see girls walking down the street uh I take a glance at them because um it really is like Ed keer where half of me says well

I'm quite a NE with women I'm being honest I'm no Casanova but half of me says I want to take that girl home and make her feel nice and the other half of me it's just like what Ed said is I want to see what her head looks like on her stick Brian is describing a mindset that's detestable yet he delivers it with a smile and a laugh his obvious excitement in describing both his mindset and the murder raises questions about his psychological history as well another internet search Brian made reveals that he may have

considered other sickening plans as well as he searched for how do people react to a home invasion however Grizzly Brian sense of humor might seem it's again worth noting that it's a trait his friends are familiar with one of Brian's friends Patrick raor spoke with police our our whole friend group was like really weird we were like all those we just the group people like didn't really fit anywhere else and end up like finding each other at different points throughout school we were just all kind of weird together and so like the offill stuff and

like anything that like seemed weird I just kind of like took for Brian being Brian and just kind of tried to accept it however even his friend must admit that Brian was different our friend group would joke about if there was one of us that would like be a killer it would be him but it was like meant to as a joke and only as a joke I don't think any of us actually thought that something like that would or could happen if this friends thought this was there a chance that his parents did too

tell me about Brian does he have any kind of mental um issues or disabilities why we we were told had ADHD so we put him on ADHD medicine he didn't get it during the summer or weekends went middle school he started exiting antisocial Behavior just saying things to get kids WRA up and thinking this same and then when we switched to Fuda high school he did okay in ninth grade 10th grade he got in a lot of trouble lot of behavior issues 11th grade we had a big meeting and they said kids don't P so

we put him in r five we took them and did some some testing for ADHD what not through division OFA and the doctor had said yes he's ADHD yes he's autistic yes he's this oh and there's some indications that that he should get further testing because of potential psychosis and I asked about referrals and calls and nobody in town okay well he seems to be doing good you know he graduated high school he works a safe way and he's been working there for here in August and he's there time and he said he's not taking

his Medic or is he on medications now he's on ADHD medicine okay that he takes before work on his part-time job and he takes um sear Trine which is an anti-anxiety anti-depressant so he's been diagnosed and to the best of your knowledge is he actually taking them like do you watch him take them I don't watch him take them but I have the alarm set and every night at 10 p.m. I say ran take your medicine and he says I know I am and as I looked in his pill container I mean it's going you

know seems to seems to be going down okay so I assume he was okay about I'm thinking three years ago I'm guessing I don't know because we had him going to counseling he was going to counseling and he just thought about he it just came across his head it was just but then I think everybody thinks about it but that's just why I remember one of the times when he was really lonely and that was an issue you know kind of concerned about that he make jokes about making newes or doing that and doing that

okay but I don't know I just played it off as normal talk but I'm like you know Brian we wouldn't you know but I I didn't know the depth of the water I don't I don't understand he's obviously sick he's obviously very sick because he we've noticed weird things about him just he gets cold just just he looks at me and he has this cold look on his face just like he's been so far Brian makes no qualms about admitting his battles with mental health you say you have a danger depressive disorder I'm just curious

what those are well actually I have several I have high functioning aspirat I have ADHD and major depressive disorder okay major depressive you wonder that last one is yeah I know what they are I was curious yeah if you what the exact diagnosis was and and who diagnosed them they tested me for autism for formal diagnosis atis which is high function autism Y and they also said I was skizo something that isn't me misremembering they just said you have your schizo something whether that be schizophrenia schizo affective schizotypal or schizoid disorder they said I was

I had something that was skizo the detectives are once again trying to delve into Brian's psychology attempting to prove that he knew right from wrong at the time of the murder his search history adds another layer to his story as he looked up extreme paranoia schizoid and paranoid personality disorder and avoidant personality I've never formally diagnoses anything like that do you feel like you have that I don't know Poss tell s diagnosing it's foolish yeah but do you you know EXC the FR is pretty clear because people recognize they have a different personality in them

I don't have any hallucinations I have I had have delusions I guess okay like years ago I thought I was obsessed with people staring at me I felt people watching me from every window the birds were looking at me watching me create a purpose that was a delusion I suppose right but you don't have times where you feel like another personality is in your body you remember all this that's no that's that's the soci of identity disorder right schizophrenia is but you you have multiple people talking to you at the same time kind of a

thing um no no one was talking to me okay there's a very good reason they're asking these questions because Brian said he has some kind of skitso diagnosis they're trying to determine if he committed the crime under some kind of command hallucination which may mean he could be deemed Not Guilty by reason of insanity however Brian denies having voices in his head as well his search history goes far in showing exactly what he was thinking about in the leadup to the murder one day before and again on the day of the murder Brian pulled up

Wikipedia articles for several notorious Killers including James Dale Richie Joseph Christopher and Andrea Yates in the month leading up to the murder he also looked up topics such as how do people react to being held at knife Point how deadly is a neck Stab Wound and he read an article about the killing of a homeless man in Baton Rouge what did you think it happen if you got caught well I figured my mother would have confronted me about it but no she was she didn't even say it do you know who the person was that

you killed no I took his wallet I didn't look at it I just picked it up briefly scanned over it and put it in my car apparently it was waren my mom told me this before she found out that the missing person was Warren Brown born in 63 Brian doesn't seem particularly interested in knowing more about his victim and the detectives turn Brian back to the subject of the evidence so we talked about the stuff there we're going to go look for J mom's he in the sink apparently the knife is where my dad found

it in the gun box I don't know where it is what did the knife look like that you found in the you know when you buy Like a 10piece Knife Set the biggest one in there okay I think when when we moved Terry into the daycare we we bought all new kitchens and I think he just took it out of the kitchen cuz we found it in his car before B you don't need this Dad I do I don't trust anybody okay you don't find any blood or anything on it I cleaned it all his

prolonging except for his wallet are right here and it's head in his hands it's heading his hand at the house any reason you were wearing dark blue one piece jump you know the movie Hall Michael Myers you were one of those and for Halloween last year I bought that as a costume find the mask in my room okay and uh yeah I just Associated that piece of article of clothing with violence that's what I was wearing it that night yes as horrifying as all of this is nothing they've heard so far can prepare investigators for

the rest of the seismic Revelations to come first however detectives have a simple question for the killer sitting before them have you ever died before no no okay you got to ask right yeah how about animals have you practiced on anything yes it's pretty big stuff tell it was 2018 Halloween a stray black cat had been coming around our house this was before I moved into my mom's this was at my dad's and I was thinking about killing him the video is redacted in this part but the transcript from the Sheriff's Office says that Brian

told detectives that he hurted the cat into a sleeping bag and beat it strangled it and snapped its neck he then decapitated the cat hid the body in a shoe box and hid the head in a wine cork box it seems clear that Brian has a sick interest in decapitation there are chilling parallels between what he did to the cat and to Warren including decapitation and keeping the heads in boxes both times he prayed on those he knew were vulnerable and that he believed no one would notice and then I disposed in the trash and

got away with it that did you keep him for a while like you get this guy or I kept it for 3 days then it started to stink that you got the three days and it stinks also because bacteria starts to float the body after a day to 3 days so the story that Brian might have killed a cat is actually a widespread rumor in Grand Junction did you ever hear about Brian either from him or anybody else about him killing a cat yes I remember hearing about it but it also just sounded like made

up rumor so I didn't really like think anything about it did you ever talk to him directly about it like ask him if it was true I don't really remember do you ever remember him saying yes I did that or no I didn't anything like that okay but you had heard rumors that possibly had happened but never really got to the bottom of it Patrick is not the only one to hear rumors of this type and ignore them saying it was some kind of a sick joke I know that there was another girl in that

class who told me that she lived near him in that neighborhood and that they were always missing cats and she felt like he was stealing cats in the neighborhood and honestly I don't remember if I found that out through him or through friends but yeah I definitely know about the cat did you believe that or did you think it was just Brian saying something outrageous honestly I don't know I think I believed it but that I didn't want to because I am a big animal lover and that's just I didn't want to see my friend

in that kind of light I remember my friends just talking about how messed up it was and my friend Sean said that he knew the person whose cat it was and he was super upset because the cat was like super friendly or whatever but I don't think I ever heard it around Brian himself in a redacted portion of the interrogation video Brian admits to finding a dead groundhog by the side of the road which he skinned and attempted to make leather out of approximately a year before the murder it sounds like you killed the cat

well actually I was thinking of killing people during the cat but I wasn't acting on it um but I started seriously thinking about killing people a year ago how about when you were 12 did you think about kill no so what in your life has changed or what in your mind has changed to make you know was it like something all of a sudden one day you woke up and thought I'll kill someone or was it a gradual it was gradual I think so tell me about when those thoughts were start happening well High School

the interrogation is again redacted here but Brian says quote called weird but I think everyone has had thoughts of shooting up their school I suppose I just don't really like people um but he wanted to read really bizarre things and things that we didn't have in the library um I remember he actually checked out a book about Son of Sam and then the next quarter he wanted to read about the Coline shootings he was very obsessed with just that kind of Darker stuff you mentioned a writing assignment I can't remember anything specific just because it's

been so long but it does seem like there was at some point something he wrote an idea about Coline or something like that and I can't remember really the specifics it's more of a sense that you had an unhealthy Fascination school shootings back in the interrogation Brian tells the detectives that this isn't the first time his family has found something unsettling in his room last year my parents found a kit I had been assembling it had hammers shovels knives large zip ties duct tape saw that was meant for hurting people they found it though and

I had convinced them it was for other method for other things and it was an ultimatum where if I didn't throw it away all that they would call the police and then I would have been arrested on charges of conspiracy that was last year before mod so what made you put that kit together that was for night like that so back then you were thinking about doing that yes that was $100 turn right in an interview Brian's High School teacher recalls that his parents didn't seem overly interested in his Disturbing Behavior we weren't obviously the

only class that was having issues with him and I remember said that they had met with Mom and she kind of I think they said like didn't really understand like what kind of like what's the big deal sort of thing like she wasn't really like yeah this is serious or we need to get ahead of it it sounded like they didn't get anywhere with her from what I remember indeed a friend of Brian's mom notes that Terry felt that school authorities were unfairly singling out her son Terry had like a binder I remember of information

that she had conflicts with with district 51 okay um I know growing up as a kid he was really teased in school that they would call him fory GE loser dork all that stuff but the detectives in the interrogation room are more interested about his murderous intentions in the preceding months I'm really curious when you talked about the hammer and the shovels and the knives and like the zip tipes I mean what was kind of your plan then that's a little bit different than you did this time oh yeah so what was the plan back

then the plan was to go find because there's no prostitutes in Grand Junction I don't think have you ever had any sex crimes yeah there's not prostitutes like five of them standing along side the RO but there's Pro Junction yeah the plan was to go with one of them and have them come with me and then the plan was to subdue them and tie them up and then torture her so what made you not go back to the same plan and yet you know if you kind of had that as a plan would I have

C well I don't know my point is if your your folks your mom found your stuff right yes and got rid of it why didn't you go back to that plan why change plan too much risky first time in a row they'll be like okay that's really suspicious but okay we forgive you don't do it again second time in a row we're calling the police on you oh I didn't want to do that again okay fair enough and so they didn't call the police uh no because they gave me an ultimatum have them throw it

all away or call the police so I Che it all way detective Norcross does an excellent job showing great interest in Brian's kits and his previous plans all of which encourages the suspect to keep talking and helps build a strong case against him at this point the video is redacted but according to the transcript the detectives ask Brian if he ever expressed any of his dark thoughts to his parents he tells them yes but only disguised as jokes for instance he once said quote wouldn't it it be funny if you sold a lipstick with Mercury

on it to those beauty pageant queens and they got poisoned because of their pride Brian was making these kinds of comments while in high school as his teacher shares then he would just say some bizarre things like to get a rise out of class kind of to try and get attention on him like just say a racial slur or you know just kind of be loud and obnoxious to try and get attention were those outbursts like pretty random just in the middle of class or well like one was watching a video I think it's about

like genas Khan or something he said something like an Asian racial slur I think it was oh he got that or something of course the matter before investigators today isn't Brian's inappropriate humor but his actions on the night of the murder and the revelations from that night are far from over Brian finally reveals the Twisted true story behind his mishap with his car and the river two nights ago what were you doing down here bud well I felt like I needed to get out and I figured why not Park here and just just a little

bit relax and think as it turns out Brian's road trip to the Blue heren Boat Ramp had absolutely nothing to do with relaxation he explains to the detectives that after he murdered Warren Barnes he returned home to try and sleep but I was worried that because there was a hole in my glov right here I was worried that they would be able to obtain a partial print so I figured why not go out the way I drove back in a different outfit picked up his body surprisingly heavy put in my trunk and drove to the

blue her and drop off station I parked so it's like this right so let's say this is ground the ramp is quite Steep and you need to have four-wheel drive to pull out of it okay and U my car didn't so I pull in I thought that I could drive out because I put I put it in reverse a that it's easier to pull the body out and B because the back tires would provide propulsion to push up right and I open the trunk I take his body out I put it in the water and

because I don't want fingerprints on a body so I just try moving it with my shoes um that works successfully he goes out some part in the river and floats off okay God knows where he is now it be a heat dead still okay yeah God knows where he is now I think my guess was that it would be discovered this morning or next morning so keep an eye out for any River activity to inevita drive out yeah my car didn't come out from Blue herin yeah from Blue her my car was stuck I tried

putting it Full Throttle yeah that doesn't work my car doesn't have four-wheel drive me okay and so then I tried putting it in low gear I'm Tred everything right right and it's build up and come out and then it slides into the river oh my car slides into the river me inside and so I'm there in a car quickly being flooded with water okay it is the middle of February it's cold at night yeah in the river that's almost freezing yeah I'm drenched I almost die so I'm able to climb out um I don't see

the body so I assume it's a travel with bit okay I come up and I'm sitting there I need to act fast or else I'll die of hypothermia I'm I'm panicking a bit at this point I'm going to be like this is what I'm to be remembered for dying and a b attempt at hiding a body and I'm just like once again we see Brian in good spirits while sharing what could pass as an amusing anecdote if it were not for the horrifying truth behind what he's describing his story also shows that he has a

preoccupation with how he'll be remembered and what' you tell your parents I mean you obviously you know got to tell them something the car's in the room yeah so what I say is I feel like I need to get out I often do I feel like I need to get out have you ever felt absolutely so let's say that I drive down to the blue her and point and just park and just turn off the car and think and uh I tell them I'm stupid and I park too low and then my car flies in

the river okay did they believe you yes and then the police came I didn't do a breath lier test because I wasn't drinking when did the police or the sheriff it was the police okay in addition to the rest of the damning evidence Brian relays to the detectives he now reveals that he was not in intoxicated on the night of the murder closing off another potential defense in court however what immediately caught the police's attention is the blood from the body was on the reverse bumper see I was so see I forgot to wipe it

off and I was so panicked that I wasn't thinking and so when they pull it out they immediately see blood on the bumper and they're all thinking we really like to get in this trunk fools there is nothing in the trunk ah okay and that happened this morning no they noticed it last they noticed it after i' had been sent home at 3:00 a.m. okay they noticed the blood but yeah this morning they noticed more blood on the door handle the other door handle passenger one and also the multi-layer gloves in the car I took

them out and obviously my car went murder before I was able to throw them away sure so did the cops talk to you guys about that this morning did the cops from the police department did they you about that this morning no I was not contact oh Brian's car was pulled out of the river in the early morning hours of February 28th and this interrogation takes place the next day all they were planning to do with me today is get my insurance information sure and they were still curious about the blood did they ask you

about that no cuz they did not notice it why I was still there so when you say they were curious about the blood how do you know that they were curious about CU my parents told me oh they saw the blood too and they were curious but I was I said I don't know where the blood came from they thought maybe it was this cut but obviously a cut doesn't produce that much blood and they said maybe it was be recovering abets under my arm but that's scabbed up so they didn't know what to believe

this day because it's blood it's sticky it's seny but I can't name a source so they were just a tiny bit curious not tiny bit yeah this is another spot of his oddly placed laughter showing that he really enjoys talking about the sick details however his position of superiority didn't last long police do indeed find more blood in and on the car confirming Brian's tale and I was worried about just um how long it would take to find him because it's a somewhat travel Road police have a nose for that type of thing they're trained

to be able to identify the S of corse and um obviously that was boted the true story of what happened at the boat ramp will come as news to his friend kylin like with whom Brian shared a very different account first though on the very same night that he dumped Warren's body into the river Brian messaged a group on Discord which kylin was part of he wrote so uh I tot my car it's in the river one of his friends replied what you okay Brian wrote back yeah I okay okay my car aren't though so

I said hey are you okay I don't have Discord RN but I heard the news and he said yeah I'm fine almost died LOL sorry for the late response my phone was off I said it's okay what happened he said I was out driving needed to clear my thoughts so I park at the boat ramp drop off at the river but my dumb parks on the dirt and mud ramp so when I try and leave it gets stuck I don't have my phone on me because it's dead I try shimmying it low gearing it nothing

works then it slides into the river me inside I'm able to get out drenched in cold water 1:00 a.m. I responded oh my God he said it's freezing out in February at night I know I'll die of hypothermia if I don't act fast so I make my way onto the road and wait for a car that takes five minutes I Flack him down and the Samaritans helped me by letting me use their phone to call my parents and to heat up in their car I said Jesus Christ dude he said they arrived the police are

called and we collectively decide to wait until tomorrow to tow it out so in summary I nearly died and am out of a car it was towed out this morning but I'm fine sorry for the wall of text that was my Saturday night the Samaritans Brian mentioned are durwood Piper and his grandson Kellen who stopped to help him that night in an interview Kellen describes Brian's Behavior at the boat ramp during the encounter before his family got there he uh kept kind of pacing around saying I'm effed you know exped and uh try to calm

down a little bit cuz I thought he was kind of concerned about his family finding out he crashed his car in the river or something and I was like hey it's going to be okay you know it seem to come down a little bit but I just remember it was a little offputting how I just kept on pacing saying I'm effed I'm effed I'm effed this over and over and over again so with his attempts to dispose of the body and cover his tracks Brian is showing clearly that he knows right from wrong his mindset

is further demonstrated by his search history on the day after the murder when he looked up how to wipe data from Android phone does a river wash away evidence how to dispose of organic refuges his history also contains numerous searches for information on serial killers a subject Brian has great interest in I read books I have a book on forensics okay did you read the book The Ted Bundy book no on the internet yeah okay all right and Pete had studied him too you know you know who G no in California yeah him I know

of him he was he W to play he was a quiet he was 6'9 300 lb so can I ask a question almost all those people did this for some sort of whether they had sex with the body or was some sexual gratification in their mind criminology there's different types of I'm not a serial killer by no means but to serial killers there's different types of them there's organized disorganized Visionary missionary I'm just wondering what what gets you excited about doing it well I'm not really sexually attracted to it I was just asking Brian's statement

that he found no attraction to the concept of murder is doubtful given his excitement at the chance to relive The Killing by telling the officers every little detail of the crime still the detectives are determined to figure out the why behind Brian's gruesome actions so I'm curious about the cutting him taken parts of him home have you ever thought about something like You' had like tund sex type stuff Ed keer just kill people because you want to kill somebody plus the sex stuff how about Jeffrey da really wasn't really inspired by it it was just

more I'm just trying to think people like these people can do it so Brian's claim that he's not inspired by serial killers is somewhat undermined by that last remark The Following part of the video is redacted but we know from the transcript that Brian tells the detectives that his nickname in high school was Jeffrey D he says he had a reputation that he would become a serial killer when we would do different group activities sometimes we would have like different personas or whatever he'll be like I'll be Jeffrey I'm like no you're not I do

remember that specifically he was very obsessed with Jeffrey dmer and is that Dylan cold the Coline shoter was obsessed with him I remember actually talking to my mom and saying take this name to your prayer group I mean and I remember talking to another teacher and saying if any kid's going to shoot at fruit a monument it's this kid in an interview Brian's high school friend Patrick raor recalls the Halloween party they both attended you remember a costume that he wore yeah he wor a Jeffrey dmer costume okay um and I heard he was Al

he was Mike Myers one year was that he was actually Jeffrey dmer does that I might have been mixing up the years because there was we had a couple CH parties but or sorry Halloween parties but yeah I think he like dress up serial killer a couple times when he was I guess Jeffrey dmer How would how did that look I guess how how did his costume look I mean was like jeans a plaid shirt and like big glasses which honestly was like not too entirely different from what he normally wore his obsession with crime

serial killers and all things morbid was something that his parents had noticed too a lot of P Separation on crime and crime scene and so he's talking about going into the military in the fall and when he gets out having your job and so I had purchased online a crime scene investigation book for him you know it's like ones that the ks you probably read it when you first started out in college and so I gave that to him and I was like so here Brian you know let's channel that Curiosity into something positive that

you can affect a good change in the world and he's like yeah that's my plan Mom I'm not going to say always had a Fascination you know I'm going to say in the last few years and is it like shows that he watches or like tries to do things just to create a scene you know what I mean like whether it's like animal stuff or nothing now we lost our dogs you know I mean he's very affectionate with our animals and you know he would watch you know like just just last week he watched silence

and the Lambs but I was like well he's 19 what you know probably all watch I've watched it it doesn't make me a serial killer you know right and he watched this zc killer over the summer a couple of times Brian's affinity for Jeffrey dmer wasn't the only warning sign observed by his teachers like the first week of school we had a meeting with all of his teachers and his case manager expressing the concerns that they had with him and also explaining some of his behavioral issues did anybody um Express that they had concerns he

could be a serious safety issue or anything like that yes I believe so we were to keep a very close eye on him and it's certainly very parents early on that he was a very troubled person in the 2019 school year one of Brian's teachers found a notebook filled with a number of disturbing elements I remember we I don't even remember who found there was like a notebook I don't know if it's part of a notebook check my student teacher another student or somehow it got brought we had a meeting with officer buar and the

administration out at fra just because it had some obviously concerning stuff talking about like serial killer statistics and stuff like you seem to be kind of kind of enamored with that so that was kind of the and they asked us did we think he was like a threat to us or other students and in my student teacher didn't feel like he was going to do any harm to anyone on the school so famous serial killer some information about yeah like kill counts and just stuff like that like that's not entirely normal the disturbing contents of

the book discussed by Brian's teacher far exceed his initial portrayal within its Pages lie numerous troubling entries detailing Brian's fixation on serial killers and other disturbing topics among these Brian has devised his own cryptic code or alphabet furthermore Brian's brief profiles of his favorite Killers paint a grim picture of his unhealthy obsession with destruction and depravity additionally he outlined plans for Taking Lives and holding strong opinions about his own purpose and actions the book was also filled with quotes about his beliefs in neutral evil one such quote read a neutral evil villain does whatever she

can to get away with she's out for herself pure and simple she sheds no tears for those she kills whether for profits sports or convenience this is far from the only warning sign that emerged during his time at school in December of 2018 Brian was arrested on assault charges when he hit another student with a homemade mace when I had kids give speeches I always told them to get do attention get and so it was the day of his speech and he wanted to go first and he pulled out this Indiana Jones like whip that

he fashioned out of masking tape so to start the speech he kind kept hitting the podium of course everyone looked and then he gave his speech then later that day you know he ended up beating or whipping one of our side bys side developmentally disabled students at the bus stop in early 2019 he was suspended after intentionally causing a student with PTSD to suffer a panic attack in a subsequent meeting School administrators conclude that Brian has a high potential for violence and presents a high risk for the school however despite being apprehended for his behavior

and his several run-ins with the management at school Brian's mother Terry kohi has a strikingly different opinion about the incidents when you talked about the school stuff and having lots of issues what were the issues that they were having that made other kids not feel safe he would make jokes that were not appropriate he got suspended few times like for behavior that wasn't acceptable like this one girl that he knows very well he knows that she has a lot of issues and that loud noises frighten her and so you know one of his school suspensions

was when he came up to her in the hallway and clapped really loud next door her you know knowing that it would put her in a panic and she cried and were like yep no you knew not would upset her and you did it anyway and he got suspended for a weapons but it was there was another boy who brought in numchucks to school on the school bus and Brian was like Wow cool and I think this was in 11th grade and so Brian was like I think Bri gave out some candy to some kids

on the bus and so Bri was like can I check that out he's like I'll bring you in if could give me some candy so Brian gave the kid candy and the next day the kid comes on the bus with two sets of n Chucks one are glass and the other one I guess they're like rubber I don't know I don't I've never actually saw them he's like I know I can't take the glass ones because I'd be in trouble for that so he took the rubber ones and he put them in his backpack I

don't know if it was in his backpack or in his jacket there was some differentiating stories so the teacher saw them and they said what's that Brian and he was like ah nothing you know and so B Omar you know he was like you know we have a prohibited weapon on school grounds and I'm like okay well what about the other kid that brought them in and they said that kid doesn't have the behavior issues that Brian has and I'm like oh so you're punishing Brian because he has behavior issues I see so Brian went

through probation and he completed it successfully in fact his father Brian kohi senior believed that his son was incapable of such violence you have friends he hangs around with you know respectable friends not friends that would ever not those kind of friends sure clean good friends okay you know the worst they have is they play video games they drink too much Pepsi so we we thinking we're doing good our kids are both doing good they're okay school they don't drink of smoke so I didn't really have any no warnings that this was going to happen

now you know he he may say a custle with Once in no he's never never hit anybody ever okay he got in trouble for throwing tapeball at school three or four years ago okay and they I think they they wrote him up for it because it hit somebody but the football players can nail a g with the football but Brian he just and got in trouble for that he's never hit anybody he's just like his dad I mean I've never been in fight man I I thought just so going to be a spin-off of me

because he's nonviolent but he's not I don't know what's going on now but Brian often resorted to social media as an outlet to share his ideas his dark thoughts were further reinforced by his posts on various social media accounts pictures and comments about his beliefs and mental health his comments on Reddit were often on post depicting mutilations and injuries and then ask me anything on Reddit Brian wrote I'm a 17-year-old nobody who is failing his classes when someone posted asking about him Brian answered I have a counselor but he assigned me to someone else because

I was beyond his skill set I'm also going to get a neuropsychological evaluation because of my irresponsibility I can't really use any of my friends for support because they'd make fun of me then we did have that that meeting with the SRO and Jeremy and I went in there and we briefed him on it and I reiterated to him I was like look this kid is really going to need some help and counseling right now he's like all the flags are up in fact even the Samaritan who helped him at the boat ramp on the

evening he was dumping Warren's body Kellen Piper was at school with him and had a few things to say about Brian's Behavior I remember my friends kind of complained and one of my friends Isaac just did not like being in the same bus as him he found him very obnoxious and he complained with him a few times to me I never really took too much notice at the time and he was like dude this kid won't shut up on the bus and he says the most inappropriate stuff and I'm just like yeah and he was

like I just hate the kid and uh I never really like I said took much of a note cuz it's was kind of like at that point like oh yeah people are like that you know some people are just annoying so given your what you've been thinking about all the other things people thought you wanted to be a only if it brought me for a while I was willing to you anything good or bad years ago school I was willing to do anything whether it be good or bad just G notoriety Fame inflence Brian's comments

about Fame hinted a possible motive but we still don't know the ultimate reason behind his horrific actions in the hopes of drawing that reason out of him detectives now take him one more time through the story of the gruesome killing in this time we get details that are even more monstrous than what we've learned thus far he see you no he was not woken up until I pulled the sheets back I know this fast you pulled the sheets back and before you stab him did he see you no and I pull the sheets back I

get on him like a need and then stab him and he wakes up he what are you doing right you think you stabbed him anywhere besides I know you said the neck a lot of times how many times do you think did you count him no I was going until he stopped okay how many just your best how many times 30 or 40 okay you said the neck you besides cutting his arms off well actually it was a general assault I was mainly targeting his neck cuz that was the most vulnerable area I was stabbing

his head anywhere in that general area I stabbed his head multiple times how about his chest his stomach his chest I stabbed once through the ribs which hand were you using right hand it was his right ribs and I just went I sliced open his belly carved up his leg not like I I just made several slices out of his leg why did you do that I was just doing everything I thought of at the moment then I cut off his head I gave him a glassco smile a joker smile but why were you doing

that I suppose it was a frenzy I was so excited so rushed up on adrenaline there okay just W and um I paused and he said why are you doing this and I said I've been wanting to do this for a long time Brian has used very little vulgar language up to this point in the conversation between that and the exactness of his quote it's easy to believe that this is an accurate recollection let's talk about before you were sure he was dead where did you stab him before he was dead nowhere about the head

and neck okay when did you stab him in the chest after he perished okay and how did you know he perished he let out a final gasp okay okay and he um he wasn't fighting later on he was losing too much energy blood loss and he just finally gasped and I needed to make sure peace of mind so I decapitated him partially as for the hell of it so let's try to go step by step he said you st him in the neck and the head while he's alive yes I paused we had a conversation

where he said why are you doing this and I said I felt like you're do this room of time I continued he he died deceased whatever you want to call it and then I stabbed his ribs opened up his belly sliced his leg multiple times okay deed him and then decapitated him removed his hands his joints did you der him before or after you opened the after I opened his belly so you cut through his clothes no I lifted up his shirt and which way did you go like do this way or like this way

this way AC cross okay if what Brian has admitted to so far has not put a sick feeling in your stomach the Gory details to come will surely do so didn't see his hard or anything no he was very thin I thought about taking what all do you think you saw his what do you I think what do I internally what did you see I saw his liver it's large and small intestine and that's it some of it was yellow I was thinking about taking out his heart I was thinking about crushing the ribs and

disemboweling him entirely okay did you disembowel all or just cut him open I cut him open but his organs Spilled Out by themselves when I was dumping him anything did you take anything besides his head like anything internally no and how did you know it was his liver I mean you ever go hunting or how do you know it's somebody's liver when you open up it's dark purple brownish it's large up here I just knew it was I've taken anatomy and physiology so I knew it was that makes sense I was just curious you ever

seen one before you're just guessing or how know I've seen something these nauseating details are quickly followed by another shocking piece of information about the night in question did you take any pictures that night yes but I deleted that okay entirely where did you take a picture of um after I killed him I took a picture of him his hands but I deleted all those cuz those are evidence I don't know if you can find them but when you say you deleted them entirely that's an interesting statement what do you mean by that I removed

them from my phone Del the pictures okay with some assistance from the US Secret Service investigators are able to extract the deleted photos from Brian's phone nonetheless Brian's care in deleting the pictures once again show that he was highly interested in covering his tracks showing us everything we need to know about his State of Mind in the wake of this awful murder did you tell anybody about what you did before today no I haven't told anyone I committed murder yet that very morning Brian texted his friend kylin like asking if he can come over to

talk once at the house Brian concocted a story that kylin's husband James Bailey thought was ridiculous what I remember he came over he was acting super weird and he was like I got to tell you guys something I think the police are trying to frame me for a murder I found a body I was like messing with it and I got my car stuck in the river and I had wiped blood that I had on my hand onto the car and the tow truck guy saw it and like I think they're going to try to

frame me I thought that he was I thought that like I said at most he had found one and was just trying to be edgy cuz he found one or something like that or even to the point where he could have just been making it all up just cuz again I didn't know him personally I was planing to maybe keep a finger you haven't got that far yet no why a finger that's small not that much space it w smell that [Music] much Brian has provided the detectives with everything they could possibly want to know

about the murder he's detailed The Killing not once but twice and he's even revealed stomach churning details about the disposal of the body the one question that remains however is an enormous one why and Brian's reason why is perhaps the most Twisted aspect of all you know Brian I have to ask a lot of people that we have talked with or they're just not has well spoken this you are to be honest with you you're very articulate you're very articulate I think I'm bad with words no I actually think you're really articulate and you you

talked about you were just kind of in a bad space that night it was yes okay why were you in a bad space I didn't take my medicine and plus for years I was wondering what murder would feel like because Bundy and the Zodiac they all say murder is the best human in the world so I'm like I'm going to try that so for some time i' had been wondering when it would happen I always knew I would be in this building whether it was as a criminal or police officer as shocking as it is

that Brian's motivation comes down to a simple matter of sick curiosity his last remark is almost more unbelievable as mundane and evil as Brian's motive may seem it's not one he made any attempt to hide even as he first talked to police in front of his house the young killer was fully upfront about his curiosity like for real human head and hands yes from that fellow who went missing recently which fellow was that Warren Brown Warren Brown when did he go missing the night of the 27th okay and how did you end up with him

I murdered him with what a knife why would you have done that I've always wondered what murder felt like Brian's teachers were all asked an identical question um when he when Brian was arrested were you surprised to hear that no I was not on you I remember when I saw the story on the news and you know you're like that name sounds so familiar and then you're like I guess I wasn't surprised if that makes sense I mean I've been doing this for 23 years and I know you can't really go off gut feelings but

it just I just always felt uneasy around Ryan like there was you know and just like he needed much more help than we could offer him in a public school setting and so when I saw that I hated to see I wasn't necessarily surprised that his path could have led to that point were you surprised to hear about what happened on the news no I wasn't I I was more let down by the system cuz like we had called it out that he needed help like with all those kind of flags were going off and

it still happen back in the interrogation the detectives try to find out if Brian's curiosity was Satisfied by the murder so to see what it felt like what did it feel like it was intense to it's Rush him adrenaline my whole body was shaking not like out of fear it was like it wasn't yeah it wasn't fear it was just pure what the word um excitement I suppose not excitement as in Joy just excitement as in increased heartbeat sweating that type of thing yeah although I wasn't breaking the sweat killing the guy it was quite

easy did you enjoy it or not enjoy it um did I enjoy it I don't know just neutral of the whole thing I didn't enjoy it but I didn't hate it I go back that night probably wouldn't have done it knowing what's it felt like knowing how this W turn out I wouldn't have done it what did you think it was going to feel like I thought it would be the best feeling in the world you said you didn't feel much of anything um excitment oh that's right okay but other than that no well let

us step out and figure out what what we going next okay okay the interrogation is over and Brian seems highly satisfied with how he's cooperated with the detectives he's enjoyed every minute of this conversation and it seems that he at least partially achieved what he set out to do he seems to see himself in the same league as Infamous Killers such as Ted Bundy Brian may be done talking on camera but he still has one last comment to make according to detective Berg's official report when he walked Brian to the booking department Brian smiled and

said I feel like Hannibal Lecter right now Brian kohi Jr plad Not Guilty by reason of insanity in January 2022 this plea triggered a psychological evaluation noting the matter of fact way he presented the details of the murder the doctors asked him how he felt about the killing in retrospect Brian said quote Yeah it's just kind of a thing that happened it sucks but it happened when asked what about it sucks Brian mentioned that he was now locked up couldn't see his friends and emphasized that he really missed video games and the internet he did

not however express any remorse for the victim so I don't know what's going to happen now I don't know how we got to get some kind of advice or find out what to do or CU she has her own business here and I have my own business and I carry the same man his name is my son and and now it's going to be all paper Brian Cody killed somebody right now we can't do anything we can't go anywhere we can't I'm not working anymore she can't have any more kids anymore it's all everything's over

it's all done now it's over our lives are totally over a jury ultimately rejected the insanity defense and found Brian coh junor guilty on one count of evidence tampering two counts of tampering with a deceased human body and one count of Murder in the First Degree because I mean Mar going to jail for this 15 years probably contrary to Brian's estimations he was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole he's currently serving out his sentence at wav Vista Correctional Complex in Colorado Springs Monique lenat reflected on how she would want her friend

to be remembered if I had to say one word about Lauren he was amazing a permanent metal art Memorial was installed next to Monique's Bridal downtown carefully crafted to reflect Warren Barn's favorite a Pastime reading books