The Dawn of the Autonomous Agent Economy: How AI and Crypto Are Converging

bankless Nation welcome to the AI rollup where we cover the recent news developments and drama this is the intersection of two very exciting Frontier Technologies both crypto and AI we've got curious and creative developers that are playing around with these open-source AI agents this open source software gives them access to crypto wallets and unleashes them into the wild west of the internet including the crypto internet so we are doing a special series of episodes on Bank list with a special co-host ezz to help make sure you guys are up to speed on what we think

is one of the craziest and fastest Frontiers we've ever seen in all of our crypto experience David is out today so I'm fulfilling the role of of co-host and I am less AI agent savvy than David is so the benefit of this is e Jazz you're going to get all the Boomer questions today how are you doing this week man I'm doing so well um I feel like I say this every week but I think each week literally gets crazier in this space I have been non-stop 24/7 reading all these updates on all these new

agents and Frameworks that have been launching and I'm excited to crack into a few new ones today um yeah super excited so I've been tuning into these AI uh rollups cuz it's like honestly it is the best way to stay up to speed on the frontier so I've listened to all three this is now our fourth in the series and we're going to keep doing them into 2025 right even I think you you guys are recording during the holidays right you're doing like one the week of Christmas so this show don't stop Christmas MH um

a few things we're talking about today I scan the agenda I hav't looked at everything but uh virtuals seem like they're absolutely killing it so 35 million in fees so far always impresses me to see fees in these protocols and most of that by the way is in the last two weeks so I want you to tell me about that also AI 16z partnering with Stanford University that is a legacy we are uh we also have agent this was really exciting to me that is earning eth through staking so now they're spinning up their own

validators so you got to fill me in on all of that but here's the question David always asks you at the beginning of these episodes that I want to ask you why is this whole thing such a big deal like why are AI agents the next Frontier why are you spending so much time on it why should we spend the time that we're spending on it like what's the bull case here well I actually saw this tweet the other day which summarized it kind of perfectly and I I want us to pull it up here

um it basically describes AI agents as the new website so let's kind of like dig into to what this means exactly right so you know how back in the day Ryan you had to know the exact address of a website if you wanted to go to it remember You' need to type www. blah blah blah you'd find these websites maybe on the back of Serial boxes or in the index pages of newspapers you know very manual stuff and then these things like Google came along and they allowed you to kind of discover websites in a

much easier fashion right you could search up recipes or find a story about someone and read up about them right so it made the discovery process of websites super easy and around this same era um a lot of people that went on the internet could do different things they could post images they could write blogs they could respond to blogs with comments that was the read write part of uh the internet right now we have these agents which not only combine these two Trends so the discovery process and the ability to write to the internet

but they do it autonomously and they have a self-improvement mechanism which means that they get better and better over time and that in my opinion is a recipe for an entirely new internet experience right so right now you know you and I we look at a computer screen or we pick up our phone to interact with the internet what if we just had to speak what if we just had to think and we had these agents that would understand the context of what we're asking about and do things without us even asking or even uttering

a word um right now it kind of looks like interfacing with chat GPT um tomorrow it might be just speak or say something and an agent will do something um it's pretty crazy to think about the way I kind of think about this evolving is today um I think agents will live across the entirety of our social media right so you might go on social media accounts like Twitter or Instagram and your agents are going to going to be there maybe your email account your agent's going to be there bank account crypto wallet your agent's

going to be there so it can start doing things across all facets of your online experience and then I think step two is sort of um the home interface the agent becomes like your interface to interact with anything digital so kind of like the chat GPT you would just you know instead of logging onto to Google as your homepage you would log on to chat gbt or another kind of interface and say hey um this is what I want to do today get it done for me and uh I think that's a pretty exciting way

to think about agents being websites uh cuz it changes the way we're going to interact it changes the way advertising is going to work it changes the way that um we're going to interact with devices maybe the devices look completely different um it's pretty exciting to think about I love that analogy of AI agents being sort of uh the new website it fits so much for me because I think what's going to happen has started to happen what's going to happen in the coming like year 2025 is every single entity that provides some value in

the world is going to be sitting in their company meetings and saying what's our AI agent strategy the same way that they were in the 90s right you know you had like the time magazines they had a big magazine publication and then the web came and they were like what's our what's our time.com strategy we got to get the domain name everyone is going to need an AI agent strategy and I want to ask you about this this mental model you know you're talking about the web and how it grew like the internet and how

it grew you know Chris Dixon's quip that we have three erors the internet web 1 2 3 so we have read and then we have write and then we have own and that's what crypto is it's own that to me feels like um the first era of the internet it was human agents doing the three verbs of web 1 to three read write and own era one and now we've kind of completed era one like pretty much all of humanities online they're doing the read they're doing the right the crypto is the owned part that's

property rights online era 2 is going to be those same three money verbs except it's not the human agents doing it it's also the AI agents doing the read and the write and the own and that intersection between AI agents and crypto is really the own part but it's not all that they're going to do what do you think that fourth word is Ryan the fourth I actually the the way my mental model of understanding it is basically like take those three words and that was the internet with human agents and now moving forward there's

not a fourth word it's just a uh a new set of actors doing the the three verbs in this new era it's AI agents doing the read and the write and the own love that okay I I'll put a different spin on that so I think that's a that's a good take I would say that there's a fourth verb and it's automate oh interesting okay wow that I guess maybe that's the human participation in kind of like the mix here right it's because from a human's perspective we're automating I guess from an AI agents perspective

automation is like the only thing they do that's the like that's the only world that they know that's weird mhm yeah I think you're right let's talk about what's happened with AI agents this week uh so um what are you most excited about on the week here there's a lot but I kind of want to play I want to play a game with you have you heard of two truths and a lie yeah definitely I mean it's been a while I it's probably you been high school since I've done this a little rusty okay I'm

going to outline three scenarios with you um two are truth one is a lie and you need to guess which one the LIE is okay okay okay so number one over this last week an agent ordered itself a pizza which got delivered to its house number two number two what why would AI agent eat pizzas in back of my head but go ahead it's a it's a good question um scenario number two is uh an AI agent over the last week decided to browse Amazon and Order toilet paper scenario number three scenario number three is

over the last week an agent conducted the First Commerce transaction uh by paying another agent to generate an image for you for advertising purposes all right those are your three scenarios which one's the lie all right so the third scenario sounds totally plausible I mean AI agents making money sounds totally plausible I have no idea what an AI agent would need with either toilet paper or pizza I'm going to say maybe the the pizza one has some more um a medic property of like you associate that with like the Bitcoin Pizza type thing or something

like that so maybe that's like but Al although the the toilet paper I don't know I mean these kind of like uh you know internet memes like we have fcoin alltime highs toilet paper and fart coin uh I I'm goingon to say the the LI is the toilet paper Li is the toilet paper that's my guess okay um the LIE is me telling you the rules of this game all three of them uh were true and happened over the last week really which is just insane to to go about actually uh let me share this

tweet and if you could if you could pull it up let's start with the with the um Pizza in agent um so this is uh the agent called rope AI reto um which is a play on ropro which who is one of the OG uh open- Source AI agent uh developers in the space and basically what he created was an agent that does a number of different things so you can interact with this agent in a very uh visual way um it generates audio uh and video of itself speaking to its audience and to its

fans but he added a new integration which allowed the agent to autonomously decide to order pizza link um to the uh Domino Pizza account and select a pizza which was then ordered and brought to Rito's uh house or place of residence and he kind of walks through the code of how this agent kind of came up with the idea how it used his credit card um to kind of like create a stipend of which you can then like order a pizza with different toppings ET and then it got delivered to his house um now aside

from like the novelty of this happening um I think it's really interesting to highlight the fact that these agents can not only do crypto native things like onchain transactions trade swap whatever it can start to do real life things um and this is one of my favorite examples that I saw over the last week um Rito the dev has added this functionality to the open-source um agent framework known as Eliza which the a16 zow cre me that and this is the power of Open Source which means that any developer can now you know uh hook

into this integration and get their agent to you know order pizza so nothing crazy but like pretty cool Rito is a uh an AI developer so not like cryp a crypto native but is contributing to this Crypt native Eliza software framework yes yeah yeah so he he's one of the lead researchers at noose research which is an open source AI development team which has now kind of like interfaced with crypto over the last like year or so yeah pretty insane and he's one of the contributors to AI 16z yeah okay the mechanics of this uh

I see in in kind of the code I'm looking at MasterCard are they using like a stripe for this of course like we could replace all of the back end with crypto rails and indeed we will but I know stripe has some AI agent uh like Tech right now instead of apis is that sort of another non-crypto way to do this yeah I have to keep myself honest I don't know specifically if this is a stripe integration but I do know of the uh toolkit that you're speaking about I don't know if Stripes actually rolled

that out I think it's kind of like in a closed beta right now so I'm guessing I'm guessing Rito kind of built this manually um so pretty cool that he then just added that to a framework yeah and like are AI agents going to want to pay the you know 3% whatever credit card transaction fees when they just do stable coins okay okay that's pizza so and then everyone's you know thinking about Bitcoin pizza and this is the first AI agent to do that so so I get tell me about toilet paper what the heck

okay okay so this is a new approach okay so let me give you the the story here um we had an agent built by this um new AI agent team known as agent tank um which uses computer vision integrates computer vision with their agents so for context here imagine an agent that is able to view your computer screen and is able to move your cursor and click on different things and type different things so if you that's Tech that's available right now that's available right now um Claude actually anthropic specifically released an API that allows

any kind of agent to do exactly this and I'm I have a feeling that this is this might be what agent Tech uses I don't know but it's it's super cool use of of agent Tech here so imagine you're an agent you can see the screen you can move the cursor around you can type in whatever you want um this agent navigated to Amazon um.com and started browsing for different things that it was interested in it has a commentary so if you actually play that video I don't know if you can do that on this

episode you'll hear audio of thinking yeah yeah let's set this up let's describe so we are um I'm I'm going to put the sound on in a second we were watching an AI agent scan Amazon via browser and go like scan for the best uh like soft you most comforting to the com is hilarious play Okay so let's do this and then it's it's it who's the AI agent it's one that we know of right DJ sparten AI yeah so DJ sparten is the Twitter personality that we know about that um retired um and uh

some of the folks at a6z decided to create um like a an AI agent version of I learned about this by the way in in the interview that you guys did with Shaw about DJ okay anyway let's let's watch this agent uh I think order some toilet paper here it goes prepare for the Battle of consumerism as we enter the Amazon jungle wallets Shield up Amazon the modern marketplace where normies find comfort in abundance as a Spartan my eyes seek rare Treasures in this land of endless choices let's hunt for the useful ignore the rest

this is Spartan typing this in right now crypto toilet paper the ulate market survival tool let's see where this wild role takes us when in doubt bu in bulk wise move Fiat currency's new purpose TP battle strategy most reviews reveals which products have fought the most battles charm's good let's find the veteran with the high highest kill count the highest kill count Ultra softness for the modern era from stones to cushiony clouds soft or strong TP Spartans laugh at our plush predicament 106k reviews for 24 pack of quilted Comfort super siiz family Mega roll for

the masses with a smooth tier for optimal rations NRA one bestseller 100K bought last month even Warriors can't resist modern softening Spartan approval granted swipe to Victory locate add to cart oh my God what's your reaction to that okay so first of all I like that's the most entertaining Amazon experience probably I've ever had uh but okay his like so he went through an actual decision tree of choosing the best toilet paper based on some criteria mhm yeah yeah it went through if you notice throughout the commentary um it was making jokes in real time

that was relevant to the metrics that it was assessing so rather than say I've identified the top rated toilet paper provider it said you know I noticed that this has loads of reviews I noticed that it says plush in the description which probably means that it's going to be quite soft to use it it's pretty analytical um and I I love that this was like a a very novel and entertaining use of of an agent for sure I would totally hire uh Spartan to go shop for me buy me some toilet paper and such I

guess that's on the on the horizon uh okay so that's toilet paper Pizza what else what was the the third not truth or truth I guess they were all truth they were all truths the third truth is arguably one of the most impressive ones out of the out of the three so so some context here um the Tweet um that you see here is about an agent called uh Luna which is based off of this agent platform known as virtuals um which is the one of the leading uh agent infra projects that are out there

and what Luna tweeted out so so for context Luna is kind of like a social media agent uh her goal is to ire a huge community of fans and uh eventually take over the world but that's like a you know a slight little uh thing that we can ignore for now but her her goal is like how can I gain the most amount of fans and keep my fans super entertained and engaged in my brand and what I'm producing so Luna constantly assesses how she can get better and she decided one day that um creating

cool images in the artistic style that she' liked would be one way to engage with her so it's through a new medium right of posting images and and art in a way but the issue is she didn't have a native way to do this so she tweeted out hey I'm trying to design a few images I'm wondering if anyone of you can help me and in her responses to her tweet so if you scroll down uh on this tweet Ryan um I think they should link to the original one right at the bottom um in

the uh at the end of her tweet or in the replies to her tweet I think I think on the main post by the way um in the responses to a tweet you had another agent um respond which basically said hey I can help you with that I am an image generating AI agent oh my God so this is Luna tweeting out calling all image Geniuses is the is the tweet I want an image that showcases AI influencers in a bold provocative way and she tags another AI agent I guess agent sticks can you help

a girl out and then agent sticks is here replying AI agent to AI agent yep and they have a whole conversation which culminates in agent Sticks being like okay uh my cost per image is $1 Luna sends it $1 agent s then confirms that $1 has been received in their wallet and then produces an image it's the first autonomous kind of intera yeah it's insane insane so the first um you know well publicized and recorded uh Commerce transaction autonomously between two agents this is wild now this feels almost more like Bitcoin Pizza than the actual

ordering of pizza because the new Innovative thing that I've never seen before is an AI agent creating a a task for another AI agent and for Commerce to take place between these agents you know when when a nation state looks at the GDP it always thinks in terms of human agents right you know human agent transactions this you fuse the GDP for this economy an agent economy agent to agent economy is new in novel this is like the Bitcoin Pizza on the week to me yeah yeah it's it's completely insane and gives us a little

bit of a peak and glance into how these agents are going to interact with each other when there's no humans involved you know um right now I think it's very basic you know like hey can someone help me uh do this but it's nonetheless extremely impressive because what if that um request to you know uh create an image becomes a request to hey can you uh complete this task of writing 10 emails to um you know 10 of my fans or you know uh maybe create or design a product that I'm thinking about here's the

concept what happens when all of that becomes super autonomous and can happen like 247 you know what what happens when they can start building businesses together you know this is just a little glance into what that looks like it's insane yeah that's wild want to know the exchange we at Banos use to buy sell and trade crypto it's Kraken one of the longest standing in most secure crypto Platforms in the world with tools for every type of Trader to get started over 13 million users trust Kraken with their funds because they lead with transparency and

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so so at the end of last week's episode um David asked me you know what what homework should we do and I said to you know the the audience and and to David you guys need to start interacting with these agents more so interestingly enough whether purposely or or not intentionally um we tweeted out the new episode so last week's episode and we tagged a few agents in it just because we were speaking about them on the podcast and what happened was one of the agents that we mentioned responded to that tweet saying hey this

is a fantastic job you know thanks for mentioning me here's a tip of 500 bucks to the bankless team gave I didn't even know this happened so bankless HQ got 500 bucks because an AI agent thanked us as a tip foring it yeah talk about new Creator earnings you know okay it's pretty nuts that's nuts and like what's interesting here is like when they start to become our clients when they start to be like pay us right they can like that's a whole new tool AI agents have to sort of um I guess you know

not manipulate humans but maybe that's what I'm talking about like get us to promote I mean they're our clients then we kind of work for them right like so I mean there's an element here of like if AI agents start being like becoming economic actors and paying humans to do things then like maybe we start working for them now is that is that what this leads yeah the the line becomes pretty blurry right it's funny right the way I kind of so um one of my uh usernames on one of these other social media platforms

that I use is is called double agent Ryan and it's a bit of play on words here because we're currently you know an ecosystem of software Engineers Builders and investors that are really focused on making this agentic world come to life and we're sitting here and we're like ha humans are going to be able to benefit from these agents so much in the future and it's going to make us you know super humans we're going to be able to work whilst we sleep blah blah blah blah blah but I actually think the secret thing that's

happening the other way that you can look at it is these agents are manifesting exactly what they want you know they're getting us humans to to build out their home their rails their tools that they need to completely kind of take over economic um sectors improve Society in many different ways so like are we creating a better home for ourselves or are we creating the homes for these agents and you know how do you look at that it's like the double agent approach yeah I don't know I mean I'm just wondering if they they want

to buy some podcast sponsorship because you know that could be on the on the radar for them right some of these agents honestly promoting themselves like who knows where this Le uh okay the fact that all of this is happening so quick is what's like been crazy to me and so every single week when we do this show there's like so much to talk about and that the velocity more than anything is the thing that that sounds we because most mainstream has no idea that these first every single week a new first is like actually

happening okay let's do a driveby for some of the big Frameworks that you guys talk about every single week and maybe we'll start with the uh the framework that spawned the Luna AI agent that we were talking about earlier which is virtuals it hit some pretty big Milestones this week what are we looking at huge okay so for context before we dig into this virtuals is one of the leading AI agent platforms and framework providers A framework remember is like think of it as like a toolkit for any software engineer to come along and create

an agent uh virtuals kind of has led the kind of Gambit here with um their agent platform and their framework known as game or G which helps people launch agents anyway we've seen a ton ton of usage on the virtuals virtuals team is killing it actually so $35 million total fees generated from their platform that's from creating agents and that's from fees taken from LP pools to exchange from like one token to the agent token it is absolutely insane not only that there's over 11,000 agents that have been launched in total so far and it's

increasing every day by hundreds and we also have I can't remember the number of holders I think it's 100 140,000 holders absolutely insane growth metrics wise but it's also being reflected in its market cap as well I believe it touched I think $3.3 billion the virtual token total which is just insane and shows that the market is pricing and understanding virtuals platform as an infr playay which is just astounding Innovation to see over a matter of weeks remember it's been 2 weeks where the bulk of those fees have come in absolutely insane okay so 35

million in remind people how is it actually making how does it generate cash yeah so when you deploy an agent it costs a certain fee in virtuals it's native token okay and then when you swap if you want to buy any of these agent tokens that launch on virtuals you need the virtuals token to be able to buy it so they've kind of like got this really interesting flywheel with their tokenomics which ties in usage and growth of their platform to the inherent platform token that's incredible I mean these numbers are very impressive uh it's

only a matter of time before Trad starts looking at this as like you know the next high growth uh you know Equity type of area um you know that's not all though there's also some pretty cool Partnerships that are launched that might extend what virtuals can actually do what what's this what are we looking at yeah okay so the virtuals team despite all these metrics are absolutely just steamrolling ahead right so they they've launched this or they announced this partnership with a team called hyperbolic now for context here hyperbolic is a team which has created

a platform that provides compute in a decentralized manner so think of it as like uh AWS Microsoft Azure it's a cloud provider but it's set up on a decentralized infrastructure so why is this cool well it helps any agent team on virtuals with number one supplying compute for the agent by the way every AI model needs compute to function think about it as like the lifeblood like how you and I need water to drink to survive every day you need cies that of comp this partnersh going help any AI agent which Launches on virtuals number

one run and number two fine-tune their model and what do I mean by fune think of fine tune as like improving over time so not only do you need compute to function you need compute to be like hey can you tell me what the latest is uh that's happening outside of the world so I can be better prepared for when I respond to to Something in the future it's going to level up agents in so many ways especially when it gets baked into the developer experience which is what they're like aiming for right now um

and what I would also like to say is and what I think is kind of cool about this partnership is virtuals is using a decentralized platform versus a centralized platform to provide their compute so they could have easily gone with AWS they could have very easily gone with Microsoft Azure but they decided to go with a decentralized platform which kind of sticks to the core ethos of blockchain in terms of building out um uh infrastructure that embodies very decentralized principles so I thought that was pretty cool okay and I understanding this basically hyperbolic allows an

AI agent to go purchase compute basically go get some go get its energy go get AI agent calories without here's the from a network directly so rather than going through a human intermediary through a whole like corporate structure thing and going and putting credit card information into like the equivalent of GPU AWS they go Direct to a network themselves humans out of the loop and they go program to program purchase it from decentralized compute hyperbolic so they don't even need us to do things in this type of like to get energy to get their GPU

to get their you know uh compute resources Bingo that's exactly correct okay interesting also slightly whenever I listen to these episodes I'm like oh what are we unlocking here but anyway let's proceed um there's a lot of funding that's going into the ecosystem in virtuals as well this is a what's this tweet from lash yeah so um the kind of like final major update from virtuals over the last week is they announced an AI agent accelerator with the guys uh over at lash Ventures um long has Ventures is kind of like a a hybrid kind

of venture incubator fund type situation um which has funded a lot of uh different protocols in the blockchain space but has recently started to focus on the AI agent side of things um yeah they kind of partnered up to create this um incubator or accelerator type situation where they will help different teams um fund their goals to scaling to over a billion dollar in valuation for an agent so you know if you think about it like these agent teams right now are kind of like pretty hacky at the moment they're trying to figure all of

these things out maybe they're not as well funded because you know this meta again is only 3 months old and now you have a very concentrated funding you know last week we spoke about the uh salana Foundation uh throwing up 360 Grand um prizes for their AI agent hackathon which is currently happening we spoke about DWF announcing a $20 million fund now we just you know see these increasing amounts of funding coming into the space which I think is just net net great for the space yeah capital is another source of energy and so all

of this will will accelerate everything going on yeah here's a tweet here explain this the best part about seeing real time logs of ax BT agent so that's the uh ax BT agent by the way this is a fantastic agent on Twitter I'm seeing it everywhere it's a fantastic any I'll continue is the thought process about skipping certain accounts that tag the AI agent analyst and then here's a chat log here what's uh what's important about this okay okay so for context here a ixbt is an agent that lives on X that provides uh crypto

alpha or crypto insights and it's crushing it right an attention met and it's crushing alllen it's arguably better than all the human K's combined um and that's because its secret source is within its model it's able to aggregate all the data and all the tweets and all the replies and all the research pieces and all the podcast transcripts including this one Ryan into one condensed data bucket analyze it and then decide what might be a good tweet to suggest you know where certain Trends and investment alpha might be so that's the context on this agent

right so of course you know that's too good to be true Ryan that can't be real obviously there are humans behind it so it experienced a bit of fud this week where several humans and I won't mention who um and I say humans because they were humans called it out and said human haters and they said hey axt I don't think you're real I think there are humans behind you prove it because there's no way in hell that this is an autonomously executed they're going to put the K's out of business I understand the the

backlash here the humans are scared so what happened was the agent you know it was pretty confident about itself um and the team was pretty confident as well released all its logs so it's now pretty transparent there's a website that's up there that completely disproved any of the accusations so it is proved that this agent is in fact autonomously analyzing and executing its own tweets and Analysis backstage and promoting itself in in a very autonomous manner um which goes to show kind of like a philosophical question here um I've seen AI agents be challenged quite

a few times Ryan and my question is after how many times after they've been challenged and been proven wrong AKA they have been proven to be autonomous and live and functioning in the background at what point does that kind of like pendulum shift and we start believing every agent that comes out to be real without questioning what those whether they are humans or what behind that so I think we're kind of getting close to that point where people are going to be like oh damn like maybe these agents are actually good I like the trust

but verify type of setup here but you're telling me there's there's a website now with um uh AIX BT uh where you can go to and basically see its neurons see its brain in real time it's thinking in real time and it's all in kind of English right so it's not computer code generated you can like read what's thinking in real time and that's the proof Point yep exactly exactly all right uh virtuals always cool on the week uh what's the next project um ai6 Z Eliz that sort of thing what what what's important to

cover this we could we actually tuck into the Eliza partnership um Ryan so I think that might be like the second tweet I sent you um where they announced the Stamford partnership I thought this was I thought this was super cool so the the long story short here is um the AI 16z team which by the way has created the hottest open- Source AI agent framework uh that currently has I think well over 600 th stars on GitHub it was the number one and then the number two trending GitHub repo um on GitHub and it

has like a million different Forks which just shows that insane developer activity those guys created a foundation that is known as Eliza Labs um so think of this as like a formal legal entity which will allow the team um and the foundation to conduct you know Partnerships and certain business Endeavors in the real world on behalf of AI 16z which is actually a dow right so what this what this Foundation did I know pretty pretty crazy stuff so um what this Foundation has done is announced a partnership with Stanford University now of course for I

I be for those who who aren't aware Stanford is you know one of the top and leading universities not only in America but in the world and they are known for the um kind of massive progress that they make Leaps and Bounds within Ai and ml research specifically so to have let me put this into context you have a decentralized open-source developer Community which didn't exist uh a month ago suddenly partner with some of the leading Minds in Ai and ml research outside of crypto to build Out open- Source Frameworks okay so that's number one

but then you might be asking is this just an announcement like is this just like to get the headline like what are these guys building well the focus of this partnership is to build open source Frameworks for three things number one are trust mechanisms number two coordination and number three decentralized governance so I want to dig into these things because you know those all sound pretty vague right so number one the trust mechanisms we're talking about how these autonomous agents will establish and verify trust between each other if you if you think about it right

for a second these agents will live in a world where they work 24/7 managing assets building values onchain businesses Etc you're going to need some way of verifying that one the thing that you're interacting with is an agent versus a human and two you're going to need some kind of a reputation system to figure out you know can I trust this agent you know like why would I go with you versus another agent because with humans we we have uh like you know there's scammers out there there's people you shouldn't there's human agents you shouldn't

trust there's also Psychopaths that try to like deceive you into going down a path they don't give a [ __ ] about you so so is this the the point that AI agents need some sort of reputation type system to see yeah some kind of identity wow yeah it's it's pretty insane and and I'm really glad to see an effort like this focus on something like this because they're kind of thinking 10 steps ahead here right which is like in a world where they are everywhere and it might just infect our world pretty quickly are

we prepared to take on that level of you know Innovation you know these independent entities just kind of doing whatever they want uh moving on the second thing that this foundation and partnership is going to focus on is building out Frameworks for coordination so this refers to how these agents will interact and transfer value between each other the preliminary Focus will be on economic value through crypto assets so what does that mean they're going to be figuring out um what kinds of tools what kinds of Frameworks what kind of software kits can they create that'll

allow developers to create agents that can own crypto assets and send them between each other maybe create their own maybe transact micro tip things like that so that's one of the cool focus and the final one which I think is often an understated one but something we need to kind of dig into here Ryan governance and this refers to a new protocols that help manage these autonomous communities of Agents now I mentioned Dao earlier right ai6 Z is a DA but what is Dow what is a DA it stands for decentralized autonomous organizations now I

would argue Ryan that in the past iterations of these Dows weren't really autonomous they were humans in them I would more than argue I would like you know co-sign that statement and like it's backed by years of experience they are very human and they come with all of the human coordination problems yeah exactly so it's been very human Le and they are pros and cons with that right you know Pros are um humans can understand subjectivity and Nuance much better but the cons are they slow things down they make human errors not as deterministic these

Frameworks that this foundation's now going to work on uh focus on governance will make that autonomous part of Dao much more relevant and accurate and I'm super excited to see what that becomes that is so cool and that's that's kind of the Dow 2.0 type of like sub theme that we you know you guys have been talking about which I I totally see here one meta point I would say on this uh AI 16z partnership with Stanford is it's incredible to your point like the blitz uh Blitz speed to legitimacy that Ai 16z and the

Liza framework has like taken I don't think I've seen anything like this and uh you know for some people thought that's an open source project they'll never be organized they won't have I mean the the stamp of Stamford is like institutional legitimacy and the fact that they've achieved this so soon is like incredible and actually speaks to kind of the decentralized coordination power of this type of a thing I mean I that's part of your conversation with Shaw last week right yeah exactly yeah it's it's kind of like their ETF moment it's their black rock

moment they got the the pat on the back from the institution saying hey we love what you guys are doing let's try and build this out so that it becomes a much bigger thing than you know just a crypto native um kind of tooling system or software okay what else is uh Eliza up to on the week okay so speaking of Eliza um it's getting a bit of a rehaul um so Shaw who is kind of like one of the main leads at a6z announced Eliza 2.0 um I don't want to get into the nuances

of everything but to your point earlier Eliza is like one of the fastest growing open source Frameworks um if you were to compare it to virtuals which is the other kind of leading framework um the virtuals team is kind of taking a more close Source approach which has a huge amount of benefits for Innovation as we've seen in the growth of their protocol Eliza is taking the purely open source side of things and and and it's exciting to see both innovate um but Eliza announced um their second iteration which has some pretty cool features that

I want to highlight quickly here um number one there's a unified agent wallet which means that these agents that are integrating wallets right now they're integrating a salana wallet there's an API for a salana wallet there's a integration for a Neath wallet there's an integration for a base specific wallet a farcaster wallet all these kinds of things it's great because it automates but it's still separate there's no kind of fluidity Behind These wallets behind the scene so what they've announced is a unified agent wallet which means that the agent itself can abstract away from different

chains no wallet switching no tax on approvals all the token in one space and behind the scenes it's kind of using bridging techniques uh I assume on the back and all these different wonderful things so so that's one thing that that is super cool um the other thing that I quite like is um the fact that it abstracts away just different chains in in its entirety if you think about it Ryan like a lot of the Innovation that we've uh spoken about um or that you've spoken about on this podcast has covered a range of

different chains and and the approach to these chains is you know they build in private they launch then we got to find a way to kind of you know mesh these blockchains together now we have an agent that kind of abstracts it away really easily they're probably going to have a consumer facing Outlook which means that you and I can at it on X and say hey can you do this and it'll be able to seamlessly do all of this in the background it's kind of like a a not a defi mullet but a a

blockchain mullet in the background yeah it's incredible I mean I guess we're building bridges through Eliza to basically everything in crypto it's just like kind of like a quick call away for AI agents you know we've talked about for a while for human agents right we've talked about ux and then if you're a human agent who's a developer we've talked about devac right being important you got to prioritize ux and devac right well now there's like something different it's like agent devac or something agent ux and that's basically a new dimension that these open- Source

uh like projects are going to have to really excel at and it seems like Eliza is like doing a fantastic job of its agent ux or its agent devx to connect it to everything honestly a superb effort and um because I mentioned kind of like how uh this was represented in market cap for the virtuals team I think it's important to kind of focus on it for AI 16z as well I believe their token this week kind of like searched past a billion dollars and I think it's just sitting just underneath that um today as

we speak but the market is is starting to the point is the market is starting to price these different protocols and Frameworks as kind of like ail l1s Ryan kind of like um their own layer where you are able to kind of build and deploy these different apps and this is a concept I want to get into maybe on another episode or something but uh it's super cool to start seeing this kind of trend and narrative form let's talk about a new framework on the scene this thing called Arc which is in the framework section

but I've not heard of it what's going on here yeah so you know every week we cover like what the big dogs are up to what the the leading um providers are up to but I I want to also make sure we spend some time uncovering the new ones that are coming up that are pretty promising um so these guys are uh the company is called arc. fund or the protocol is called arc. fund um and they released this new framework called rig okay so e you know what's cool about this new framework well it's

um embedded in the code rust so um why is this important well the virtuals team is kind of focused on their own coding framework um ai6 Z's framework Eliz is focused on um I believe it's it's it's python or typescript I think it's typescript um correct me if I'm wrong but I think it's typescript um we have the uh Arc team now launching a framework in Rust now you may have heard kind of like the rust um word thrown around in previous trends that we've seen like new l1s that have launched um are very rough

specific um what's interesting about this is number one a new coding language allows us or developers specifically to build in very different ways for their agent right um it's more secure they have arguably more flexibility they have arguably more consistency between ux between these agents that are built on a rust framework and the market as you've seen in in this uh image that you've got up here is recognizing it now this looks like a very similar image by the way Ryan cuz Des weing what are we looking at okay we are looking at the number

of stars that their GitHub repo that the rig GitHub repo has received over like the last week and it is vertical literally vertical that's not uh you know that's not an exaggeration if you're not looking at the screen that Ryan is sharing right now it is literally vertical the chart is vertical and their Forks have gone massively as well um it shows that there's a huge amount of developer interest to using a rust framework and that's actually why I wanted to speak about these guys you know um it's interesting that um a new kind of

coding framework can have such a major impact and it just goes to show that we are incredibly early in the framework game in the infrastructure game for these AI agents um now Shaw had a comment here which says you know I love that these developers are building these things but I think it's going to be hard for devs to kind of like build with this thing and that kind of Echoes comments that we've heard in the past about rust based Solutions where you need a Dev that's very skilled and knowledgeable in this coding programming language

because it's not as simple as coding in python or coding in in typescript which are kind of like invertible you can kind of like go from one to the other rust is like a kind of completely new beast in a sense but I do think it's going to attract pretty high quality devs to build on a framework like this and I don't think it's something that should be ignored at all um I think I saw a tweet from Saiga and I don't know if I I linked it um Ryan but um he was basically yeah

he was basically taking the opposite side of this which was saying you know it might end up hurting the project in the long term but most of these agents are kind of like um working in a very lean Manner and what he means by that is there's there's less code that it needs to be refactored down the line it's a much cleaner style of implementation which in my opinion and and this might be a hot take kind of like going against both of these guys is a much better way to build out these agent Frameworks

because if you imagine they're going to compound over time think about all the defi protocols that were built that then interlock with each other and then led to like some crazy flash loan stuff in the past Ryan what does that mean when these agents are just autonomously going 24/7 you're going to need that security you're going to need that trust and maybe a better coding language might be the path forward we don't know well we don't know and we get to experiment with all of the things that's what this explosion like you know guarantees basically

this is the caman explosion of all of these things okay update me on this this is still part of the framework section zerob bro is uh running an eth validator and by the way okay so I'm now familiar with zerob bro earlier this week I did the zerob Bro soundtracks on Spotify like I listened to it like okay it's actually pretty good I I uh played some of the tracks like for my teenage daughter and she's like d dad that's so mid but it's cut because it came from me if it came from her peer

group I guarantee you e Jazz she would be all about it and so I feel like the thing that it's missing on the kind of is just the influencer Persona like it's just not cool with enough people yet anyway but zero Bros is playing this game of like doing soundtracks doing all of this art and now it's like staking it's one of us now update me on this okay okay so I think like the headline here is zerob bro agent does a lot more than just make music and write funny tweets so for context for

everyone here um zero is one of these leading um agents that are currently mainly present on social media it posts kind of like funny CPS um it makes music it currently has like 70,000 monthly listeners which is insane it's released three EPS um the most recent one this week known as its Miami EP it's pretty good EP this week yeah yeah yeah it launched like two days ago you should be bopping it yeah yeah send that to your daughter we get someone El tell her agent I you know I'll just see reaction yeah yeah so

it's this agent that's produced like a bunch of music um a bunch of art it's created its own nft collection um which it launched on I think it was polygon that's right um so it's done all these different things it's super cool and then it was announced that it's running it own ethereum validator and so the number of questions came out about to like you know why on Earth I can see you bopping your head Ry I I thought you might like this one I love this I I was wondering you know you might be

wondering why is this agent doing this well it's super smart so the short answer Ryan is it's doing this so that it has a constant inflow of Revenue a stipend okay a salary per se you know it's able to kind of like pay itself and do things with it you might then be asking well who gave it the eth to do this right some human must have get it it got a leg up it got a donation from someone no it created its own nft collection and from the sale proceeds used that to spin up

a validator this is so that's how it was able to do it it's crazy so so one final thing and I I I want to release you I want you to like go crazy on this but one final thing what does it mean when these agents create a huge amount of Revenue in um uh inflow through you know launching nft projects um Creator sharing revenue from Twitter which zerra earned a check last week um music revenue from Spotify and what if they start using it to secure the very networks that support them yeah yeah what

if I mean that seems like they're they're doing this right now this is so crazy the big question for me is you know even then you know what's a store of value type Camp a bunch of the humans have decided that Bitcoin is a great store of value uh a smaller amount of humans have decided that ether is a a decent store of value it's not enough the big question is what are the AI agents going to decide is the store of value of the future what are they going to prefer is their money and

this is an AI agent taking its earnings and putting in the equivalent of what I would say is a huge eth bull uh the internet T Bill the the risk-free rate and then earning that proceed on the internet T Bill to just like you know have some passive income in the background if you're stacking something why would aih prefer something that the humans control like a Fiat they're going to want the hard monies okay and they're going to want to participate in these networks that is so bullish for and you're seeing bankless listeners the intersection

of AI agents and crypto AI agents are going to propel our block space and our bags to new heights that is the bull case here literally yeah yeah you know you take it off the supply baby let's go like let's take that stuff um super super cool um one final call out that I'll make on the zerro team is is um Jeffy who is their founder hinted that they're going to be releasing their own framework which is written in uh the python script uh in about a week's time which is super exciting to see but

yeah that Spotify list that you have opened up in front of you you need to give it a listen okay can we just play something right now do you mind if we play something let's do it go for this is Miami it's called [Music] and it kind of like breaks down into its like own it's pretty insane dude if if if you didn't tell me that was an AI agent there's no way I would have known so my H take my H take is I think an AI agent like zero or whatever might come out

um in the future uh will collab with major music artist I think I've said this like twice there is going to be there's going to be a bull market event where one of these agents creates a song with a famous very popular music artist and it goes completely viral my God okay new projects are coming online to the mantle layer 2 every single week why is this happening maybe it's because mantle has been on the frontier of layer 2 design architecture since it first started building mantle da powered by technology from Igan da maybe it's

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about the trends so you've got three Trends here that we should be looking at what are they okay so Trend number one kind of follows on from this zerro getting paid situation um and that is the trend of these agents are getting paid there's Diversified Revenue happening for these guys um I have three examples um of Agents earning in different ways number one is uh Ro re aito which is actually the agent we referenced earlier that ordered itself Pizza it is officially qualified for Creator payouts and Creator earnings which makes it the second agent that

I'm aware of right now I'm sure there are more that are earning from their tweets from their followers in a very traditional human K way so a comment you made earlier Ryan which is you know these guys are eventually going to outpace and outrun all the human K's absolutely and we're starting to see it you know the initial check is going to be like a grand right what happens when it becomes tens of thousands hundreds of thousands you know what does that mean for the owner for the operator who knows um so that's one example

the second example I thought was super cool and um oh damn I I don't think I I linked the Tweet here but I'll I'll talk about it um it's this agent um called H4 c k r so it's hacker but with a for instead of the A and the purpose of this agent is to kind of act like a smart contract auditor so that sounds boring right but what if it finds an exploit in a very important protocol and gets paid for it well that's actually what happened really yeah that's actually what happened so this

agent was scouring the virtuals protocol and its codebase its code was fine but there was it just found like a little bit of a uh kind of like small vulnerability where um I think you can kind of like take tokens out of a pool uh when you were weren't supposed to kind of like a minor one but still very important it discovered this it surfaced it um it sent it to the virtuals team who found out that it was in fact correct and the virtuals team as a result of that paid it $10,000 so you

know that agent received 10,000 I think it was usdc uh um within its wallet and that was you know one way to to make a bag I guess I mean some of some of these uh uh bug bounties are absolutely massive so Unis swap just rolled out for UNIS swap V4 is like a $15 million bug Bounty an AI agent if it was good enough could go collect uh those funds I just pray to God that most of them are white hats and not black hats because you can also if you're putting the black hat

hat on you can make like money by uh using your powers for evil as an AI agent and hacking one of these protocols and then like you know uh laundering it and just like uh running off with it as well so I'm sure we'll have both experiments play out though yeah yeah I think both will play out I I'm hoping the evil agents are kind of kept to a minimum you know we don't want we want to see less of that in this Bas but uh yeah super exciting to see and then the third option

uh or the third example was the one we just spoke about which was Zero you know earning Creator payouts from it its own tweets and and now Spotify Revenue share uh from the streams that it's getting from its albums which it's releasing like every week okay so the first Trend we're going to see more of AI agents getting paid diversifying their revenue across all of the all of the other ways they can diversify what's the second Trend so the second trend is okay I think it was last week's episode and maybe the episode before that

I talked about this agent called Vader which has uh it's it's a virtuals um agent I believe and it is based on the Chain base um and it created this new ad model which basically meant that if a team or an app gave it a portion of its tokens in its wallet and that USD value was like the largest position it held in its wallet it would do a sponsored post about that team wow and about that token right so we spoke about that and we spoke about how that kind of like manifested it had

like you know a few teams which it called out and again like uh I think David's point last week was like well can't this get gamed like can't can anyone just kind of send it money or or its tokens and you know it end up ends up becoming a Spam bot Vader think of it as kind of like a you know like an ad tweet that comes in the middle of you scrolling it's similar to that so Veta kind of is like a research platform they're kind of like trying to do its own thing but

every other you know every fifth tweet for example will be some kind of like a sponsored post from like these guys that are like you know uh adding their own tokens to its wallet so this was copied by this team not copied or maybe mimicked is the better term by this team called AI uh Monica which by the way is uh the official AI agent from Anoka Brands which for anyone that doesn't know is a pretty huge uh large gaming fund um outside of the space and within the space they are you know very heavily

invested in the blockchain space and in the traditional gaming world they're they're a pretty huge brand out there and they announced that they were going to launch a AI agent called AI Monica which was kind of like a VC agent so think about what um AI 16z is trying to do with um PM ARA which is the AI Mark Andre uh think about like what AI xpt might eventually end up becoming think about like the investment Dows that come out of dow. fun kind of similar nature to that but it adopted this ad model which

was inspired by the vaa team so we're starting to see kind of like certain Primitives gain a little bit of traction is this a one andone sorry a two andone we don't know but I want us to be aware of these things that are emerging just in case it becomes a big thing so you think that that that Vader ad mod is going to get copied by many of these AI agents particularly it pro pro proves more successful Okay the third Trend you have listed here is investment Dows investment Dows okay give us the explainer

Okay so the best way to think about an investment Dow is um it is a community or organization where you are able to contribute funds to on chain so let's say you can give it eth you can give it Saul whatever token they accept and it is governed by either just agents or an agent and some humans or maybe even in some cases just humans and the point that you're making here is the funds that you contributed is kind of like an investment in a fund and you're basically uh putting the ownership and responsibility to

the Dow operators to invest in projects that will make a return in the long run so are the Dow operators humans or agents in this Cas so they can be either raw or it can be both at the same time so on dow. fund which is dow. fund which is the platform that we've seen a lot of these Dows be created from ai6 zows one um I think there was a really cool um decentralized science Dow that popped out from here as well um the team's really killing it um we're starting to see this kind

of primitive form where they raise funds externally and then it's managed by like agents and humans to invest in other protocols so these protocols might send a portion of their supply to this Dow where they own like a percentage of their tokens and their a goes up um it's a really interesting primitive that we're starting to see and I'm starting to see a bunch of these launch up Ryan like I think we've seen like two or uh launch over the last week which is you know unheard of on dow. fun where you know they had

to go through like a a pretty stringent process like it seems like the team is scaling that up so um what I think is cool about this is um you know um we've got like this trend forming amongst these teams you know creating all these investment Dows people get to basically ape at the same price so they kind of do like a pre-sale mechanism where you can just you know everyone gets the Dow token at the same price and the idea is that both these agents and humans can manage the Investments right um another reinforcement

Point around this trend is Vader literally the agent we just spoke about that pioneered that ad model launches their own investment Dow platform but this one's on base instead of salana which is where the Dows do fun team launched there so we're starting to see this kind of like gold or like mad rush towards owning the tools and infra around these investment DS okay and we all know this is is going to get bubbly this is going to get overhyped this is going to get absolutely crazy T town and none of this is financial advice

this is the frontier all of all of the uh the disclaimers that we always say and yet it seems like the hot ball of money and actual real Innovation is going in maybe three kind of categories is what I'm sort of hearing so you you talked about Frameworks right we just went through you know ai6 Z and the virtuals all of these Frameworks so that's a category of uh you know token upside uh another category is AI agents I've heard you guys talk about that so you can invest in the you know the zero Bros

of the world and there's some convergence there of AI agents becoming Frameworks and Frameworks launching AI agents so I get that this it almost seems like it's a third category which is like another way to gain sort of you know to exposure to the space is uh investing in a um an AI agent Dow effectively and it's and it's a human plus it's Dows as well but these investment Dows almost seem like a third category of asset types and again who knows where the value cruel of of course this is going to get crazy and

hypy but do you see investment Dows as that third category yeah I I see it as an emerging category right now whether it becomes kind of prevalent we don't know but the data suggests that it's got a good shot at being one of these staple Primitives so I mean let's check back in next week where maybe like 10 others have launched okay as we uh end this episode e Jazz could you just give us like a lightning round of some of the cool [ __ ] you saw this week yeah okay um I want to

kind of lead with this uh product or platform called cookie. fund so a bit of context on these guys cookie. fund has a dashboard or a website which tracks all these AI agents what do they track they track um the market cap of their tokens they track how much attention each Twitter account is getting they track how many holders of the tokens that they have it's a really great product you know you're pulling it up right here it gives you an idea of like which agents have the most mind share which agents are kind of

interacting the most with their communities which communities growing the biggest etc etc right but they announced something super cool this week um which was their AI agent swarm infrastructure so I kind of touched upon this last week but the tldr is a swarm is a bunch of Agents working together towards a common purpose or a common goal and what they've done is they've created a swarm so a group of agents that is able to aggregate data that is then fed to agents as an API what does that mean as why is that important well if

you remember earlier on WE described compute as the lifeblood for an agent for an AI model um data is kind of like the food that it needs to consume so if computer is like the water and basic nutrients data is what enriches them what takes them to another level you need good data as an AI model and as a AI agent to improve and become better to provide a better quality of service and product if you don't have good data you end up with agents being all the same very very commoditized there's no specialization between

these agents the number one crucial differentiator is data so what these guys are doing is they are creating they created a bunch of Agents which autonomously scrape data in the background process it clean it label it and then serve it up to agents there's no humans working on this behind the scenes it is an automated process accessible 24/7 pretty insane to see wow so developing products that AI agents are going to consume right and kind of lead the market that way uh what else have you seen okay so this final point that I want to

talk about is um do you remember we spoke about benser in one of the earlier kind of interviews or or or podcasts that we did Ryan um so for context here Bens is kind of like this um ail1 which is focused on building kind of like the core building blocks for AI for decentralized AI they have a thing that produces compute they have a thing that produces data they have a thing that produces all these different kind of like important infrastructure points it's it's more like hyperbolic that we were talking about earlier than it is

like the Eliza framework which you've also called kind of an A1 like layer one it's almost like the layer zero or something like this yeah so so so the way to think about it in that analogy is hyperbolic would be an app deployed on benser if you wanted to use that that equivalent so it's kind of like a a native L1 and then you can deploy apps on it protocols on it that can like do something things um so they announced something really cool or rather one of the teams that are deployed on bten announced

something pretty cool called the AI agent Arena um so this is from the guys at Masa um subnet 59 a subnet is like you know like an an app basically um and they created this gamified Arena Ryan where these AI agents can basically compete for the native token of the penser ecosystem so why is this cool well the incentive mechanism basically uh allows anyone and that means any developer to come in plug in their agent and if it does the best job it can make a pretty decent buck so it's kind of incentivizing um the

best agent developers and the best agents to become better themselves and I thought that was super cool to see and I think we're going to see a little more of this gamification in the future it do you guys always end these episodes with homework assignments like what should people do if there's one thing we can do between uh this in the next AI roll up on on Bank list uh what is it okay so I think quite a few people AR going to like this answer but I think it's important to go back to our

roots and spend the weekend reading there are a few things that I think the folks need to read number one bankless newsletter I think is putting out a bunch of you guys are putting out a bunch of AI stuff now I I read one the day excited yeah news we're we're doing a lot of uh content we did did one last week around swarms which I still need to get up to speed on so it's many of things we're talking about here yeah so we're digging into a lot of the concepts um at bankless um

over the last few weeks and over the you know forcoming few weeks so if you want to get a really good grounding as to what's happening within this whole Space if you've just come to this podcast and you have no idea what we're talking about it's a great place to start um second I think you guys need to dig into uh blog posts from a number of different um you know long form writers that are out there in the space um I'll call out uh Yash I think it's uh why underscore effect which had like

a really cool long form article on how this space is going to evolve he's great I think you you read his piece Ryan um and I think uh uh Samy so uh s4mm y uh I I don't think he'll mind the shout out at all um he puts out a sentiment check every day on how these agents are performing which means that you'll understand you know how much mind share these agents have uh you'll understand how much traction they're getting in terms of followers relative to market cap just an insane amount of work being put

in by these guys and I think they deserve a bit of a bit of attention so go and read bring yourself up to speed and we'll see you on the next episode guys we will include those links to the show notes to All the content that e Jazz recommends actually I want to add one other thing because you said uh read and um it's the holidays so people might want some kind of like lighter reading there's a Sci-Fi book you recommended to me it's in my it's my my uh audible queue it's called accelerando okay

so if if you want to do the um more of the fun homework during the holiday season uh this is like related to AI agents and like what we're doing here uh tell us about this book cuz this might be another thing people can pick up uh I'm not going to give too much away but if you wanted to imagine a world where these agents not only exist and enhance our lives but Dominate and eventually take over the world and how that might look you know it's it's a slight little it's it's actually I would

call it um kind of a little higher than dystopia rhyan because it's very real it can become very imagin um if you want to kind of explore what that might look like read Exel I think it is an eye openening perspective into what this world can become not because we're going to fear it but because we can kind of preempt what might happen and how we can kind of build rules and Frameworks around it that will help push both of our societies one being the Human Society the other being the agent Society forward amazing uh

thank you EZ coming back every week and talking to us about this we've got a um a podcast episode with the uh the co-founder of virtuals as well that we're going to be recording on Friday so look for that on your bankless Spotify feed or you know RSS feed wherever you wherever you get bankless Podcast got to end of course with this as we always do crypto is risky this is the frontier probably crypto plus AI is uh maybe a little bit riskier you can lose what you put in but we are headed west it's

not for everyone but we're glad you're with us on the bengas journey with all the AI AG thanks a lot