Rajarshi Nandy Special: Mysteries Of Dattatreya, Bhairava, Japa Practices, Planetary Movements | TRS

the god of lust why do kamdev mantras exist in the first place there are mantras exist to kill people also kamdev is a very good thing to have there is this famous story he was burned by Shiva does it also mean that Shiva can contain Your Lust completely yes he can from my mom site have worshiped a daty called datat look at this image almost like a twin of datat the Trisha was one of the forms of Bava very prominent and woried in Kashmir can can cause problems yes if shanid is not well placed in

your horoscope there are tantri pujas for shanid yes can you meditate to a point where you become as powerful as the D you will most likely die before that say Krishna comes and you say that you are 100% going to turn into Krishna in its full capacity and power your body simply doesn't have the capacity to take that power and from a larger context space in general there's something up there that is supposed to teach us the moon plays a vital role there is no one thumb rule in fact Jupiter can be very negative for

example lot of things diseases blood sugar and hormonal problems liver related issues Financial issues can come from litter first time ever hearing this welcome to another rajash nandi podcast of TRS I don't need to tell you much about my all-time favorite guest we've recorded countless episodes with him at this point all I wish to say before you slip into the episode is that post the episode if you want even more of rajash nandi we've collaborated on our mind performance app called level superm mind he's created multiple serieses where he'll carry out guided meditations based on

different dates you'll be able to find those on level supermind so make sure you download it the link is given down below as for this episode it's a continuation of our last conversation where we began to talk about the kamaka temple as well as the rise of bavs all over India this episode touches upon multiple topics but the specialty of this particular episode and the remaining episodes of this series is that we've really used our in studio screen so my personal suggestion is that you consume the video version of this podcast as much as you

can um even if you're consuming it on audio platforms these particular podcast will be absorbed better by your heart if you view the video version of it but for now I have to let you slip into another epic with rajash nandi who's back talking about the daty datat and a lot more on this special episode of TRS [Music] you know in the last episode I asked you about how you're able to use such gripping language and then you said that you're able to just see words and construct I have the same angle with questions I

see a question in my head and I ask rarely do I see a question in my head and I don't let it out which is why I'll move on to the next topic right now okay and this is something I've wanted to speak to you for a very long time right uh I just spoke about how my childhood's Dy was Hanan G as is the case with countless other people yeah at least North Indian Hindus I think every guy in his childhood has had a Hanan g face at least girl also uh now from my

mom's side her dad his mom her dad his mom and it goes back so my maternal lineage effectively have woried a daty called datat okay I believe people only know about datat in Maharashtra and Gujarat and even now after years of my uh Hanuman G worship and shiv G worship and even a year after my bav S where I'm chanting upon om bayama every day uh that's my Mala Mantra but if I'm ever in tension my first instinct is om Nam because it's so hardwired in my head all I have been told in my childhood

is that it's a combination of Vishnu and Shiva I have been told that it's one of those avars which is both an avar of Vishnu and of Shiva that's all I know and it has the energy which is a representation of the combination of the two energies and that I can vouch for because I felt it because I've chanted upon omad I've meditated upon it since my childhood I've had so many experiences of going to that that temples and you feel that combination of Vishnu and Shiva energy which is distinct for Hindus who have visited

Vishnu temples like Krishna temples or Ram temples and Shiva temples it's different energies but in that Manders you feel both together uh that's all I know MH uh and I know it takes me to some deep place when I meditate upon it can't say more than any words that I've already expressed in front of you I know that you linked it to bav in one of your online explanations but I'm going to tear down this explanation with you I want to know everything because I would argue that I I mean I don't like admitting this

publicly but I'm curious to know if datat is a Dy that is becoming dorant or that is waking up out of dorcy so over to you uh can you search for something here trir bishir bhiro three head three-headed Bava okay this was one of the vas who was very popular in Kashmir extremely potent worshiped three heads look at this image almost like a twin of the only thing is that the heads if you look carefully on the left hand side the head it's more grotusque kind of fearful head on the oh side right right you

see that his right on his right h on his right and here I think it's uh the hands arms are broken in this sculpture so he love a skull in his hand okay the Trisha was one of the forms of bhava very prominent and woried in Kashmir as I say Kashmir was the peak bav upasana place and It produced tremendous amount of great Scholars and Saints and Mystics and Powerful aaras all somehow they other linked to Bas blessing Trisha eventually in my opinion becomes theat later on okay with some modifications modification that the fearful head

changes into the more soar form the skull changes from his hand because that gives him the more raw uh the the Bava energy remains very strong in that okay so you remove it with vishnu's energy okay now this change is also because the D allowed it do not think that somebody one day wakes up and suddenly changes and respond no somehow the other the D allowed it and that is why it has happened okay so bhagan datat has some similarities in this is what I'm talking to you is my opinion about it it is not

necessar based on text or anything has lot of similarities with one is that he's believed for example that he's Immortal okay Immortal fundamentally but he's Immortal at the same time there is in Maharashtra to data worship is quite common some of the texts are there some of the texts mention that in certain times of the day he is present at different places of India okay dat huh so he travels around India and he's at different times he at different places ginar mountains in Gujarat area is his aboard where but he can travel in the blink

of an eye he can take any form and shape he's bhagan almost okay but he is Immortal also which means that his physicality is there now when we are worshiping bhava one of the first things I had mentioned and I tell people is that he responds fast compared to dadas so bhava is somewhere close to the physical plane this is precisely what it means when we say that datat is Immortal which means he's very close to the physical plane he will respond faster okay number one number two is that because of the Vishnu element that

is there in datat and there is we have a story of dat's birth from Rishi atre and all that and he's one of the brothers of Rishi durvasa and all that but um these three heads are also the three gas so he is somebody who can handle all these Raja sat all the three gunas he can handle and he becomes triun beyond the three gunas okay he is fundamentally an aad aut is somebody who has gone beyond all andas all that is an and he's Immortal he's he's a god basically he's not a human being

who has become immortal he is of divine birth and he is the physical manif estation of parabrahma okay worship of datat is very popular in the NAT sadas apart from the uh the uh the worship that happens in in say Maharashtra in the local in the in the families or Etc that happens the na yogis worship the tatra a lot specifically those in in Western India so they somehow they are consider him to be the Adin or the primary the originator of the path there is a famous datat Mala Mantra by the way which is

extremely ENT I won't mention it here it's a long Mala Mantra means a mantra actually some technical criteria is there but it's more or less Mala mantras are always very long mantras not small very long it could be three four lines Mantra and inside it is contained a lot of his potencies and powers and his execution what he does dat has whole tantas dedicated to him so my mother is is a datat b okay and when we were kids if me and my sister were very hyperactive at night you know how there's lais so my

mom would sing us dat laabi which goes [Music] J and that's the first line that I remember and it goes into a long paragraph and I know the tune of it but I don't know the exact words but I remember as a kid when she would sing it because of course she was also singing from a place of bti both of us kids would go into a bit of a trance and we would go to sleep in that trance I'm using the word trans for a lack of a better word it just so it just

triggered a memory so he is yogishwara and he responds fast in my opinion and uh amount of without too much of complicated ptis with certain degree of some amount of Mantra and some amount of biti if you Club it together and you have genuine shha on him some blessings can come from him he's also Al woried as one of the gurus Eternal gurus okay just like Bava is a guru of the tantri tantric path datat is also bhagan datat is also considered as a guru okay so these are his primary aspects uh but when it

comes to uh if your question was the second part was whether there's an Awakening of dat Mantra I don't know about that I have no idea I don't see anything more than what was already there or any substantial dip also is not there it's definitely not the way that b manra has picked H for sure yeah uh when I was growing up there was actually a guru from his line of gurus like dat's uh Lage lineage uh his name was PR AUD Guru Maharaj and we used to call him babui okay and he didn't have

too many um followers actually as compared to Modern popular gurus that you see but I've grown up seeing PR ofd Guru m you can pull up the image uh his Guru was someone called rang ofd Guru Maharaj and these were like rang ofd Guru Maharaj was my n's Guru I would argue in many ways that PR AUD Guru Maharaj was my first Guru in my childhood and I remember being in the same room as him uh the practice would be that he would come visit Mumbai he would stay at my n's house few people would

be called throughout the day maybe cumulatively 25 or 30 people and we'd be amongst them uh you would get 15 to 20 minutes to go into the same room as him and just have a conversation and he would talk to you listen to your problems and then he would just request that you stay in Silence with him and meditate with him that's all and then you would be politely asked to like leave the room and that that was my memory as a kid but so much healing has happened in those sessions as a child like

that was where my theism woke up my belief in God woke up and I realized that there is a reality Beyond me going to school and coming home and playing Cricket uh can you can you type rang of Guru Maharaj this is rang of Guru mahaj and his disciple like the his successor also as a guru was PR Guru mahaj and currently there's no successor okay which is where my question originated that is the daty going into a dominant State again no you can't say from one lineage no I'm sure there are other lineages also

there are offshoots there are many branches many branches or there may be other data worshipping lineages so um no it's not like that his his worship I what I feel is it worship is uh it was always there and it is still there it's not widespread across India but in the places where datat bhagan is woried is still woried okay like my Nana is going to be really happy that we brought up his okay Guru I've never spoken about this but probably this was my first image of Guru or God and uh eventually even when

I met you in life when I was in my yss and I was progressing I think when you brought up practices and having physical gurus I went back to my childhood which is why I'm saying it wasn't just you who nudged me along the B it was something from my whole existence even before you uh one last tangent on this datat conversation is I'd like for a to pull up uh just typ datat there's dogs always around and B is the other one who has dogs yeah dogs cow very very similar to B which again

I tie together at age 30 this is perhaps the first one of I feel I feel that the the kind of the energy of bhagavan datat is almost similar to bhava but slightly so which form you're taking say say kalav and all that is more aggressive form more intense form so this is the transformation that so it is there in in in here the fact that he holds a shank uh and there is a part of Vishnu also theak so vnaa tilak means basically it's uh it's fit for a more domestication of the original uh

Fierce nature of the deity has happened M wow domestic of the fears nature of the D yes domestication is something a process that happens in all tantas also by the way when that has happened I mean I feel that when I read that at the very old text absolutely raw okay this has be the processes were curbed down and things like that and a system of ANUK alpas came in that's kind of domestication of the anukalp means substitute H so like I was explaining in that the D aara method of worship uh so so you

don't use you Mantra padti is all same dakara K are all same only thing is that you do not use for for example you'll not offer Karan or alcohol to the D instead it could be something else it could be water that is uh rose water or something like that that's a substitute ANUK kalpa so these are for lack of better words or this I may not be the right word but sort of a domestication of the very Fierce energy happens so that it's easy to connect for people at the home level okay a DA

is present in outter space we have think about this in our rituals if you if you uh see few rituals you'll see that one of the key things that happens is the dipal Puja the 10 directional dat is dipal Direction East West like this full all of them are there anybody ganpati from to Puja traditionally when you're doing dial Puja has to be done little bit if you take a spacecraft and go out outside uh full full scale where is East and where is [Laughter] West that means it has a meaning the date is who

are the deas they don't they did not have the domain beyond that they are Earthbound date is but Shiva can be there and a higher form where he has gone beyond even the so these directions your time time is a mental construct right the sun is coming up remove all clocks remove everything go to a place where no internet what will you know when is Monday and when is Tuesday after some days if you don't keep track so we have counting love how you what will you know if it's Monday or Tuesday how will you

know that's what I think about these things sometimes put me somewhere in a place where there's no way to know which day and I being lazy I'm sure that I will not keep track after 10 15 days every day is Sunday so you have seen in the fields in rural areas cows tied to a one peg and that cow keeps rotating here and there you might have seen that scene everybody seen that scene so these things time and space are pegs which you typ your mind so that you don't go crazy for that you make

experience of what you make sense of what is happening around you that b was the name of the chant I was talking about that my mom would like uh sing to us to put us to sleep and I would like to believe that it was quite Cosmic m in terms of it would push not your body but definitely your mind into another realm and you'd probably gain sleep out of that realm MH um again this is not me marketing level but there are sleep meditations where I've used the same concept like uh I've done a

whole lying down meditation where I've made the user visualize that they're floating in a cloud right which finally makes its way to the Moon M because I've read so many spiritual books over the last 9 years in order to fuel the content for the show that I know that there is some spiritual significance of both the Sun and the Moon mhm and from a larger context space in general there's something up there that is supposed to teach us something about our reality uh I don't know what Tantra says specifically about the moon but is that

a subject you've explored no not uh specifically not just Tantra so Moon and uh Sun have their own significance when you look at it from the jotish point of view which is Allied to Tantra and not just Tantra in the normal the Vic and the Panic upasana pad also because Joes is finally the ey that gives you an Insight which is remarkable in my opinion um the Moon is uh the representative of all emotions moon is the representative of the Mind moon is representative of the mother okay so these things are important moon is the

representative of DVI so this because the moon has its own phases from the the pratip to the Amasia and then Pima Etc all the phases that it goes through accordingly there are NIS there are accompanying goddesses of the main deities depending on the phases of the moon like that uh moon is extremely crucial because your mind is extremely crucial if your mind is your friend then you can do a lot of things if your mind is uh uh does not is not agreeing with what you're trying to do what like lifestyle you're leading or what

work you're doing Etc then is obviously going to hamper your spiritual practice and hamper everything you're saying this all from a jsh perspective but this is important even in the sadana perspective as in as in so when I uh suppose I'm guiding somebody into some spiritual practice uh it not only is important to tell them that what to do but sometimes there will be blockages karmic blockages in the chart of the individual which we can find out from looking at the imprint uh at the moment of birth the horoscope if it is looked at and

those need to be cleared in order for the individual to progress smoothly that is important so there uh the moon plays a vital role what kind of the Mind in fact there are certain combinations I won't mention them but there are certain combinations of the Moon uh certain placements of certain grahas connected to the Moon which I have seen help people uh to do bav upasana very fast so I can I have a general idea can come in uh that you know whether this particular D will gel with an individual or not so all Gras

play a role Moon plays a very vital role that's what calming effect of the Moon calms your mind you feel more relaxed you feel more happy you feel more energized okay that's extremely important and the Sun is also important in terms of one to is obviously the sun is important in terms of his source of life and also as a primary orientation of the Vic religion is with respect to the sun somehow or the other okay the the solar uh uh the solar power and the solar light and the uh energies connected to that are

very crucial in some senses for development of an individual in the Vic path Sun Also represents at some level the Atma of an individual a very deep level so the Atma is all pervading it is everywhere and all times it's working but till the time you are not aware of it it's as good as not there working for you so it's very important to know understand this so This differentiates between what is the theoretical perspective and the Practical reality of the universe in theory for example there are many people who may believe that I am

the Atma they will tell also um there's a very popular upanishad sayings and all that but the point is if you have not experienced the Atma if you're not living in the Atma these are are all statements that have no meaning okay so you start being truthful to the reality that you are in not to an imagine reality that you are not in Sun is either your Atma or your ego H Fair um we speak a lot about shanidev yes and that is a segment I wish to break down with you in this episode itself

okay but before that I'm going to ask you about the other Cosmic Dees for lack of better word okay Sury for example perhaps I would argue is a daty that is quieter now than it was in the past in sanatan DH yeah so multiple factors come into play uh not only the will of the Dy but there is also uh uh the karma of the people just like an individual has a karmic imprint a nation a race of people may have a kic imprint so at one point we had the Soria the sadas which were

solar worshipping sad in India but all that is almost gone now nothing is hardly anything is left though a little bit of sun worship actually Surya ARA and all that still goes on at an individual level it is not very organized neither is it the primary sort of upasana form of upasana that is there at this moment so it is it can be a combination of multiple factors one is that maybe the d uh uh will it to go back backwards in terms of uh uh sort of the influence it spreads at the moment or

at a particular moment in time and also it could be additionally uh certain events that have caused so there is also both this is happening anyway so there is a set of events that is happening which destruction of the sun temples and all that and things like that one that happened the famous temples we had um I think in Pakistan there was a very famous Sun Temple which was destroyed and places or Kashmir perhaps this is in the Medieval Age yeah okay by Invaders okay so the question comes in that yes some uh why did

it not revive with that same Vigor again after that okay because temples of Shiva were also destroyed temples of other daes were destroyed but more or less Shiva upasana continues right even if in spite of Destruction continues so sometimes it's possible either the D May withdraw or all Alo there may be other factors like the karma of the people do not allow worship of this dity after a point for some period of time so there are multiple things that are possible okay um lots of tangential questions the only Sun Temple I've heard of now is

the kar Sun Temple yeah so that's kind of in a delapidated condition uh yeah so there was one in I think I think Pakistan or somewhere there is to be a very famous Sun Temple that was destroyed is there tantric practices with the uh I don't know if there were any specific practices but uh worship of sun uh solar dity uh brings about certain things for example it brings a lot of fame um and H the sun Temple of Multan exactly so this was the that's its state right now yeah it barely even looks like

a temple anymore no it's nothing it's just broken structure is it is it wrong for us to say that no I'm not being insulting towards whom it it doesn't exist anymore it doesn't ex it's been destroyed by the Invaders long back H uh why does kve the god of lust because karma is lust H in a way some the god of Pleasures why does it exist in sanatan DH in the first place why not that's such a powerful force in fact Dharma kamaa there are the four goals that are put for life so Kama is

already in included among the objectives of life it's not even something you don't look at it not like that so it's there so it's there's a deity that that represents that feeling that thought yes and in fact uh there is this famous story The his he was burned by Shiva and then he was rejuvenated but without a body right okay so basically that means that it's more of the level of thoughts so last or desire comes at the level of thoughts not necessarily in the sense of a physical presence or something it's it's in the

realm of thoughts that it happens so which means that even brahmacharya is to be maintained in the realm of thoughts first does it also mean that Shiva can contain Your Lust completely yes he can the higher forms definitely can there's no question about it because the morals of all these stories are actually guidelines for modern dayas in yes but uh not as simple guidelines as you think there is more complicated guidelines also involved in this it is not always a guideline it is more of sometimes a spiritual reality is being told in the form of

a um story what do you mean spiritual reality that last is not is without a body that means that it is actually a thought that comes in so until which means that if somebody says that I want to maintain brahmacharya then your brahmacharya starts at the level of thought if you're not able to control your thought and if you are just maintaining physical Vera just a matter of time it's going to break uh why do kamd mantras exist in the first place there are mantras exist to kill people also Kam is a very good thing

to have but what would that mantra's effect be effectively to bring about to uh you know not only to experience um those Manas can be used in order for you know increasing an environment where you have more opportunities for experiencing pleasure somebody wants you know to have an experience or something like that I'm assuming if those who have done Kam DEA mantras are you able to look at a mantra and break down the meaning a little bit sometimes but it's not a process that should be done if it's a vija mantra in public because it's

only for specific people back when I was trying to Deep dive into why kamd mantras exist I came across this word called saman what is the meaning of someone infatuation okay attachment like a crush on someone yes to bring about some degree of uh desire and attachment uh on somebody else uh for you or for the person who is doing the sad or the Mantra and there must be some kind of ritual which involves the No No it depends it can be ritual it can be just Mantra Jaa also as in you just do the

same JP of the Kam mantra not Kam Mantra saman can be done through many mantras of many daes okay so but what is the side effect side effect is side effect means in what sense is there a side effect yeah if somebody gets attached to you for normal side effect there is second and third order effect of that is everything that you think about the Mantra is not going to determine that for you like a love story will begin maybe maybe not also it you may end up some somebody I know tried this some once

on something he started regretting because the other person was like oh it becomes that they it can end up into that kind of a stalking syndrome or something beyond your control damn all this exists everything exists this is the closest to what the West terms as spells huh spells are bit like mantras but um our mantras are a shastra so it's more complicated than normal spells uh that same book I was talking about in the last episode where I bought a book on witchcraft to understand it and this was after our episode because I just

figured that Tantra is actually a global phenomenon and we talk about it from a shastra perspective but other cultures talk about it in their own ways like Celtic uh culture whatever uh South American culture Shamanism you know they have their own versions of rituals and yantas uh there are spells in European witchcraft M which are somewhat like saman where um it actually involves crystals you're supposed to take certain colored crystals certain kind of flowers uh keep the person's photo uh on a particular uh night where the phase of the moon is in a particular way

like it's very connected to the Moon uh and then chant upon that uh and they've given certain those chants are in English it's not even Latin or any you know ancient language but it's I think it's much more about having yantas like those objects and then putting emotions into it right so I think it's a the raw idea is the same as what you're talking about when it comes to saman I mean largely when you're talking about right shastra bed Tantra but it's just that because sanatan DH has evolved in this land that we call

the subcontinent which was so populated for such a long period of time that ours is way more refined and developed there is perhaps a little more raw huh Raw not be the right word to use I would say yeah it's our so in these or other Pras when applications of mantras what we have is much more vaster wide range of mantras are available for all things deities mantras processes so what kind of uh uh these things are to what degree you want to apply it to somebody one is a mild infatuation one is you make

somebody so crazy that they can't think Beyond you all this is possible but there is a caveat to this also the understanding of this has to be very clear so it it is it depends on whom you're trying to do it on it's not that simple nature is not that stupid just because there are Manas who you sit and do it will happen no if the person has protection if the person is spiritually grounded if the person has his or her own Mantra practice and all that uh then obviously uh these the Spells and all

that smaller things they will not work so easily for for example B is a protective D so if you're doing om B for a long time it's kind of like a wearing an armor right and there are then if apart from that if person does covera recitations cover are specific armors since you mention the term every day has a set of coverers these are stas which are protective in nature so when uh uh CES are done recitations are done then um it brings about a protect a and it's not that simple depending on what CA

is done and how intensely the individual is practicing that it's not so easy to influence through mantras and other processes then there are there are other just like that there are protective measures higher and higher there are applications also higher weapons that are stronger and armor that's stronger sometimes people may use objects that you have used then it becomes very strong that this is what kalajadu is black magic in a way so kalajadu is well basically just a negative application of uh Mantra and ritual and anything the intent is the point the ritual itself is

neither good nor bad Tantra is giving you the processes that it is it's your intent that will make it good or bad how are you going to use that suppose in a very theoretical situation you are some important individual in the government suppose and the country goes into war with somebody else suppose you have a great expertise in this knowledge you you do this kind of a ritual on some important individual of the other camp and find out some information from that is it good or bad who knows so does this happen I don't know

I'm just I'm just giving you a theoretical situation fair this is the the Practical use of progue prog is always practical there's nothing called theoretical progue so theoretical either you can do it or you cannot do it that's it there is no yeah about I know this I know that I know that power by itself is application if you have not applied power you don't know whether you have power or not all that is rest is all Theory I know XY Z I can write 10 pages 20 Pages 100 books meaningless power is application I

think in one of our earliest podcast we had spoken about this Loosely it's spoken about kaj Jadu like one and a half years ago when we first met because that whole phase was like this uh and now was talking about it in a much more objective way rather than a explosive cinematic way uh when I've traveled in Australia I met a lot of Aboriginal people like the local original inhabitants of Australia and 100% certainly I'm sure about this they feel a connection with India they do believe that there's some kind of Brotherhood between the cultures

okay Sisterhood Brotherhood whatever you want to call it and you know what there's also progue in their culture there is rituals there is Mantra jop there is yantas there is prog you can use certain combinations to have an effect on reality yes uh Aboriginal people were very connected to their tribal Roots which is very good from a mental health perspective perhaps because usually people who live in tribal communities are said to be happier based on the few tribal communities that exist even today that's supposed to be the gift of having tribal living uh the downside

is that you can't defend yourself against the modern world and modern technology for example you're still using swords Shields Spears and then someone can shoot you perhaps it can pierce your shield and that's exactly what happened in Aboriginal Australia 200 300 years ago and it wiped out the whole civilization and there's still a lot of generational trauma associated with that Wipeout the thing is I do believe there's a very soft and slow wiping out of tribal culture happening in the subcontinent as well gradually it's happening but tribes have existed everywhere including Mumbai like even if

you go to the ra Forest now I think there are some tribes which were the original inhabitants of RA Forest okay uh but that's as far as it gets in urban metros but because I'm talking to rajar nandi the reason I'm summarizing all this about tribal living is for the sake of talking about tantric Origins now again if we take a step back even from shastra uh We've evolved from Stone Age man like at one point we were cavemen at some point we evolved and became hunter gatherers that's how we migrated would you disagree with

this no I think it was during this phase of being H gatherers that the human mind started thinking about what is God and then that kind of inquiry led to prayer places of worship uh meditation possible and prog and Tantra M and I say that because even now not all tribal communities but many tribal communities are associated with Rog of a lack of better words black magic kalajadu uh I would actually term all these things using an analogy from our playground analogy that boo our Earth is a playground with many children many Souls everyone's doing

their own things stock Brokers business people police officers You Name It Whatever uh but if you know certain secrets of the playground you're able to manipulate reality just a little bit and that's effectively what prog is like you see a kid that you want to affect that other kid if you know how to manipulate the fabric of reality perhaps you can do do it and this is what I think tribal societies discovered way back and that's what evolved into the sanatan dhm that we know today it got more and more refined over I would argue

lacks of years uh now the question I'm asking you is very specifically about Indian tribes I don't know if you had interactions not much but tell me go ahead and the Northeast in general very Less in interactions almost none for that matter but yeah that is there but before that so what is a proga it's an application so you pray before your exam that I pass in this exam at good marks that's also an application you get the good marks everything in the world is proga everything the whole purpose why people came into religion in

some way or the other is you have to affect reality altering the fabric of reality yeah your reality at least some or the other and then in that if you come with a negative intent that you want to harm somebody harm without so this is we have to look at it in the context so unfairly harm somebody and you use various techniques to do that then that is going to cause obviously that that is what is generally termed as sort of black magic but the point is these things can be done it's there in not

just tribal religion it's there in all religions yeah every religion has it there's not a single religion that does not have it and both the good and the bad aspects by the way it's not just the bad okay so when we are saying that applying something there is a good aspect to it also there there are many good aspects of applications that is what is when when a jotish chart is being read and there is something some some do some error is there some needs to be done so they recommend to you certain pujas to

do or certain activities to do that is also some kind of an application of power to change your reality the fact is when you combine certain mantras with certain yantas and then certain practices there's a release of energy and it's about what you do with that energy yeah and there you have to know exactly so so that the the um expertise in knowing lies in knowing that which exact D which exact montra what exact process whether it's a H to be done whether it's something else to be done that is where the expertise lies everything

is there the kitchen is there with all the materials whether you can make something fruitful or tasty out of that that's where the capacity and competency of the individual lies can you meditate to a point where you become as powerful as the DVA or you'll never actually reach that level of power no fully you cannot reach fully it's out human in human body you cannot reach your body body is a limitation your body will break down if you have your contact with the de if if kala comes suppose uh fully not even kala let's say

say Krishna comes okay fully and you say that you are 100% going to turn into Krishna and it's full capacity and power you will most likely die before that your body simply doesn't have the Capac to take that power once on one of our past podcast you had mentioned the stages Beyond Nirvana it was in the works of Shri orindo MH uh how deep have you gone into that subject know um I let's talk generic okay let's talk generic but yes these are definitely there there's no question about it it's once you experience them if

somebody experiences them but this is not for everybody okay just so that the understanding is clear when you're growing up in India and you're studying sanatan DH or studying yoga or even studying Buddhism or jism you always taught from the satk perspective that the goal of all our indic religions is to reach the point of Nirvana or Mo in my eyes that is an exit ticket from the playground that we've been speaking about right and this playground that we're in contain suffering even if you choose the life of a mon right suffer you will have

to that's the given this is that exit ticket this is basically the ticket that everyone is internally dying for but possibly even doesn't know yet fair fair largely [Laughter] fair but there are possibly stages of evolution like checkpoints Beyond Nirvana yes and that happens in higher Realms a more important playground and for very special Souls not for everyone no so for an average person who keeps meditating keeps doing AA over many lifetimes and actually earns that exit out so what is your goal you want to exit so that becomes your goal from Boo or the

general idea of terana is completely complete session of your existence which means that not only the suffering goes the joys will also go oh okay oh I I won't have the suffering but I have the enjoyment no enjoyment and suffering both come side by side so both so you will finally be into I don't know whatever that zone is so basically you're completely out of the system so therefore these things which we identify as a human life things like that none of this will be there anymore that sounds nice who knows maybe it's nice it's

just IND described desable in words perhaps because truly what is Joy also in the and and the descriptions are all will be more verbal than actually real in my opinion so there is there's a limitation of words after some point you words are not sufficient how can you describe something that you have not experienced if you have never seen an apple you can use 10 line 10 page essays and all still can describe it properly exactly what it is how does it taste [Laughter] at that stage to it is like Beyond but instead of exiting

from there how about you transform yourself to upasana and become like a reflection of the dity what do you think that truly means what will happen to your reality like there's Consciousness in your eyes and your mind looking at me there's Consciousness in me looking at you you go down your path you're a kamaki upasak I'm a basak suppose I Advance suppose you and hypothetically speaking we both cross Nirvana and then you're saying that you go even further and you become a reflection of the DAT what are you seeing from your Consciousness what am I

seeing from my Consciousness so first of all when the idea is given that uh somebody has gone beyond even the state that is known Asana so so you that's that is cannot be done by your free will some higher power has to will that this particular Soul has to experience this so then only it is possible that they will enter into the absolute state of Nirvana and then may again come back into the human consciousness but in a completely transformed manner okay absolutely transformed now this transformation and when I speak that somebody is going to

become like a like a Dy upasaka in the highest level so you your perspective will change uh and will become at at a very high State you will see the whole world as a reflection of the D but here there will be a difference suppose you are a basaka you see the world as a reflection of the Bava Consciousness somebody is a Krishna upasaka will see the world as a reflection of krishna's Consciousness Consciousness and there will be differences in the two also if there was no differences everything would have been one obviously there will

be some slight differences and that is dependent on the nature of the deity so if you are a Shiva upasaka and you enter that state so you will see that very form able static nature of the Consciousness that is there that comes in which for lack of better words we say the static self self-realization self with the capital S so you will see that that is the substratum of whole world everything's that's one beautiful thing suppose you are a MAA upasaka and you reach that state so there is the iconography of dura has that battle

so you will see that even from the smallest cell to the largest star there's a friction going on and is through this friction everything has been created and there is an in that there a beauty in that every moment there's a friction going on if you if you're a krishnaa you may see that everything is an expansion of a Divine love if you're a Kali upasaka you may see that there is deep down there is a absolute uh for lack of better words tremendously powerful force that cannot be contained by anything she's like that but

that is also the source from which everything is being born so there is an individualistic state of expansion of the consciousness of that dity that you will experience and as you go deeper into that this is not a One-Stop thing as you go deeper eventually manifesting within your body and mind and your life you will have various attributes of the dity that is the very high State those who become absolute siddhas of the deata they may have around them always the environment will change like that according to the nature of the dity their words will

become different so they are effectively in the human form but they're absolutely the Dy there are people like that already I'm sure of course there are perhaps not in the public eye no they won't come in the public eye no that they won't that is pretty certain they won't is this point achievable in one lifetime through hard work uh to obviously not if you're starting from zero you can't go there in one lifetime how do you know that you're not starting from zero that is the question so that you have to be very careful in

suppose you already have an interest in these things and you're doing sadh Etc so then you can understand that uh perhaps you might have done these things in the past and the rate at progress rate in which you progress science you get and all that I'm saying this from a very objective non-emotional uh perspective of course I'm proud of being an Indian I'm very blessed uh that I feel I my soul was meant to be born as a Hindu and experience all these things but maybe anyone that's born in a Hindu family and that to

a religious Hindu family is perhaps already meant to be on this path or has done something in the past that has put them not always okay not always so it is there are two things one is the religious family and one is a spiritually oriented religious family there are two differences in the two not just a blindly ritualistic so not blindly ritualistic no rituals are important but through the rituals you have to have that sense of adhyatma transformation yes and you have to believe that there is a sense of there are many good ritualists I

know who have the sense of adhyatma and then there are ritualists who are just blindly doing something uh like uh textbook copy paste and all that they're not interested anything more than that okay do you think that the textbook copy paste thing also benefits you it benefits it it is creating something in a small manner it helps it's like that so so these things are there it is like there was one very interesting incident in the life of uh in the I think the Diaries of shachar lii was the K yoga founder so there was

one incident I had read where some Pandit in Varanasi very scholarly man and all that wanted to take Ka initiation and he had read a lot of scriptures used to come and then keep telling him this scripture means that and this writing is there and that paragraph means that so he used to very enjoy explaining Sanskrit verses and L Mas us to very calmly listen to all that and a housewife who lived close by one day came and asked that I also want to take initiation after a few days a good Titi came and he

told that housewife that you come with five fruits and he gave her I think some money and said that that day you come and give me this money okay I'll give the initiation to this gentleman he didn't say anything and people were like you not giving him dsha he's such a learned man and all that know L was a very elevated Yogi he's not ordinary so he said that he just calmly said that he has entered into this field for the first lifetime first lifetime what happens is you want to show off I know so

much I know this scripture I know this language that language she said this lady has been practicing for three lifetimes the moment she starts cre her experiences will just open up okay very dry question for you what's the gift of being born as a sanatani you have been born into a culture that is the most sophisticated spiritual culture ever seen on planet Earth I have not found anything in any religion not the specifics but the fundamental idea the core philosophical idea of the pr I of the application that is not already somewhere or the other

in some form or the other present within sanatan Dharma and the vastness of vastness of the processes the methods the philosophies is it's it's it's like a library it's up it's the most comprehensive design that has ever come up what do you think is the downside downside is not in sanatan Dharma downside is in the practition practitioners of sanatan DH uh I feel that's a different topic altogether but I had spoken about it somewhere else I think I felt that from 1947 after the independence till at least 1980s or maybe even middle 80s and all

that Hindu Society by default relegated religion to the sideways and Dharma and practices and all that and became more materialistic perhaps in the understanding that somehow that is the Fulfillment of life and and that was a very wrong step to do and whose repercussions is already affecting India in various places and thankfully there is a new generation which is much more interested in these things now that is coming up which was clearly not there even 20 30 years ago 20 years ago if you spoke about religion in a in an average town or something I'm

saying you know in an urban setting so you'll be looked at oh people would be more suspicious of you yeah I remember writing an old home on top of my exam papers and I got into trouble for that in school I got made fun of uh but in retrospect at age 30 I don't see a problem with that I wasn't trying to demean any other religion by doing that it was just for myself it was probably some sort of self-confidence inflicting thing just before an exam you know you write as all home I remember being

made fun of so much um I remember being made fun of for praying once after a car accident it bothered me a little bit then not because it hurt my ego because I questioned the reality of the guys making fun of me in terms of do you not believe in this do you not see the greatness of God um I think as life went forward some of them still make fun of me but most of them have wrapped their head around the thought of God or perhaps even the thought of sanatan um I do believe

that genzies are way more spiritually open than people my age yes correct that I've seen all over India I'm talk about we see that on social media and data tells us the same I used to be scared of creating spiritual SL religious content in 2016 now when I created it I know that it's going to explode on the internet but it was created with the same intention is just that the times and the da are possibly allowing changing um I don't have any more questions today is there anything you want to bring up because we

spoke about a lot of different topics uh no not specifically except that I think it's good that there is a lot of people who are doing the simple Bava Mantra and uh it's going to increase and it's going to cause a strong impact uh among people in coming times I have one more question yes uh this popped in my head this is possibly the last segment of this episode 2024 we did a spectacular numerology 101 episode with uh sjay bani okay that episode had gone hyper viral um happened last year I remember him saying something

about 2024 adding up to eight I know that numerology is a bit of an extension of jsha uh is there power numerology I'm sure there is uh numbers do determine the fabric of reality in some way way uh indicative of reality okay uh I've read this repeatedly In Articles newspapers lots of astrologers talk about this that they say that 2024 is the year of Shani because it adds up to eight do you have anything to say about this uh no not not like that because that's too generic okay so generic in the sense when an

individual is under the influence of a specific gr the best way to go about it is to uh look at the individual horoscope and DET determine so these things that come in so even in the astrology columns and newspapers and all that those are actually very generic and um those are not even useful to that extent in my opinion I mean people love reading it which is a different matter altogether but uh so it's not like that so there is a method of determining when traditionally done so at the time when the new year is

forming and that means not necessarily 31st December New Year the Hindu calendar New Year is forming at the time there is the configuration of Gras and all that can give you some indication overall what is the year going to be like but uh even more accurate is a if you're looking at suppose somebody's looking at India for matter so you can look at the Gras that how it will play out in the chart for India and how it is going to happen for um an individual based on his chart but yeah perhaps this year there

will be uh let's see some kind of events some things may happen which are uh not the most uh which are tough let's see for the world I don't know about the world India it's possible it's a tough here for India it's possible okay uh would you like to say anything about shanid no no it's fantastic if you're worshiping kalava somehow the other some of the problems that shanidev can cause is also brought under control shanid can cause problems yes if if shanid is not well placed in your horoscope definitely can cause problems um and

there are methods to deal with it so it's not that always it is bad sometimes in some configurations it can be very good also for the individual so that depends on the individual chart so there is no one you know one thumb rule that works for everybody for some people Saturn may be the shaid may be the gr that can bring them up from a very ordinary level to an extraordinary level in what way anything in career in life in spiritual growth huh spiritual growth sometimes of spiritual growth so Saturn is basically a grer of

discipline and hard work if you're not working hard he doesn't Bless you that's extremely important but when he is slightly negative then you'll face criticisms in spite of working hard in spite of trying you will still be criticized strongly hm sounds familiar uh everyone knows two terms from jsha nowadays one STI uh and the second is Shani mahadasha these two terms have become highly popularized lately because of negative connotations on uh would you like to expand on both these thoughts so sarati is the 7 and half years is the phase that it takes for Saturn

to pass near your moon so when that happens um it can cause some sort of a uh difficulty in your life and the difficulty specificity of the difficulty will determine will again be determined by the nature of your horoscope and the Gras close by and which is the sarati number with it's the first one or second one things like that many things but more or less as the generic perception is when Saturn and Moon come together moon is a very emotional kind of gr and Saturn is a very dry Planet so they don't gel together

too well to put it that way so therefore what happens is the person may suffer from anxiety or some kind of problems or even in some cases maybe depression or you know people conflicts with people various things are possible but this is again a genetic statement it may not exactly happen that way it depends on the horoscope could a sarati be positive yeah it can be positive I've seen cases where sarati had had the least effect because they were running through a positive Dasha at that time H okay and Shani mahadasha which supposedly lasts for

a long time yes but again this the same thing so these things it's not about being scared or anything first you have to understand what is the position of the GR in the horoscope so is it good is it bad if it is good then why would you be scared of it then it is going to give you good blessings there are people um famous people uh who have done extremely well in Shani mahadasha because the Saturn is well placed so it's too intricate a subject to just dismiss binary one should not have a very

generic idea of jotish it is always comes down to finally fundamentally what is their position of the Gras in an individual's chart or in case somebody's a prna then that is what is the position of the Gras when the prna is being asked okay so without that there is no one thumb rule in fact Jupiter can be very negative which is otherwise considered as so positive a gr in certain conditions Jupiter can also produce negative results for individual for example a lot of things diseases uh things related to blood sugar and sometimes hormonal problems liver

related issues lot of things can come from Jupiter Financial issues can come from Jupiter okay first time ever hearing this oh yes so this is what when you go a little deeper into Joes you realize that this whole thumb roll business that this is all good and this is all bad doesn't work so you have to understand the nature of the graha nature of the graha will work which means somebody's Saturn Dasha is going on and Saturn is not in a retrogression or in a some other combinations are there basically it is an indication that

he will have to work hard that's again a very generic level but which which area is it going to happen where is it is it affecting your uh home is it affecting your Works Space is it affecting your marriage or relationship uh is it affecting your health all these things so it depends on where exactly it is place number two that gives you an idea ke which area of your life it will impact number two is it well placed or is it badly placed which means that if it is negative for your horoscope then obviously

it's going to cause you trouble if it is positive for your horoscope it will not cause you trouble but there are certain tendencies that Saturn already has for example Saturn is a loner Saturn doesn't like interacting with people too much it's a little slow it's very thorough very hardworking it loves the masses masses means the lowest denominator of masses it's not the elite Society it's it's the uh the workers and all that it loves those things so uh somehow the other those will come into play in their life hard work to definitely and if it

is hard work uh in some conditions as I mentioned growth can happen lot of growth can happen huge amounts of growth I mean when Saturn gives you something it will be except exceptional amount there are tantric puas for shanid GR pujas are there this is graas are jotish related right yes okay the reason I'm asking you this is I have this Ram Mand I've been going to uh ever since I was a kid it's in vadala it's a very very powerful temple in my eyes and it's an Temple there's also Hanuman Temple right opposite it

I've been going there my whole life but I went there about 3 to 4 weeks ago uh and I went there little more open and I was going there after years after meeting you you know the the time had gone there before that was maybe four or five years ago so I felt I was going there as a much more educated individual this time and I started noticing each of the daes present outside the main Temple premises um and there I saw a long line for one of the duties when I inquired which one it

was it was Saturday and people were offering Prasad and oil for shanid and then right next to it I saw all the grer Daves like there was a rahu ketu graa all the DAT Isa yeah all this is graa based Puja jotish based not fully so this is the naaga uh sanctums are made in all temples these days especially sou you'll definitely find and in the correct direction and ways so grahas can be pacified in multiple ways not just Puja sometimes you do activities related to the graa that will help you as then it'll cure

the bad impact for example um some some days ago I was seeing somebody's some Affliction was there so uh I recommended that individual to do annadanam to feed people okay a large scale feeding not small feeding because that certain GR required that so that type of activity if you do related to the graha uh that helps or that is more positive oriented activity with respect to the gr it can help remove the maleficence of the graha this is one then there is the next level of graha is you can if the grah is really negative

then you can do a Puja of the graha and this there are people a lot of people places in India where they can be done so they will do a full Mantra japa of the graha and then they will do a h of the graha and they will it's basically to calm down the graha if that doesn't work then you go to the DAT is who can control the graha there are two types of things one is the standard dat is are there plus the Vishnu avatars are there and then in some cases when the

grahas are absolutely in a very negative condition you can go into worshiping the mahavidya is related to the Gras all the D mahavidyas are the 10 mahavidyas are also linked to the grahas so their puas can be done in order to calm down the effect of a graa okay um one last question again again the question is popping in my head so I'm going to throw it at yeah yeah please the ritual I do every night is can I say a bit of it at least go ahead light a Thea offer Prasad and do my

job and have my own personalized conversation with it's a very raw rudimentary basic yet powerful practice absolutely um I've had experiences doing this I get emotional if I ever do it in a temple sometimes like I just went to Kashmir I found the one Shiva temple in gulmar it's on the top of a hill okay stunning uh and you're in subzero temperatures -3° you go inside that Temple and you do your job I had such a strange experience I just did one MAA job but um I didn't feel sad or happy I was feeling cold

finish the Mala and then the moment I opened my eyes I realized my eyes were full of water and there was lots of water that come out my eyes so I questioned whether I cried or not I don't know if I cried because I didn't feel sad or happy I was just feeling connected and there was lots of water pouring out of my eyes which is why I don't know if these were tears or something else this is the summer picture now imagine it in winter okay um it's at the top of this H um

yeah can you see that's the winter picture okay it's been the honor of my life to to actually meditate in that Mand looks beautiful um but my point of saying this is what's the difference between this practice of this basic Mala job and then practicing a whole Haven is it like the hav is a much more charged ritual like even more energy gets released why don't more people talk about Havens in the first place people do hav is a integral part of dharmic ritual practices it has its own rules pros and cons in the traditional

format when you're doing so basically the idea is that you do a certain amount of Mantra japa and then a part of it you give in fire so basically you can do so you are doing sadhana when you're doing Mantra japa you are actually the element that is getting activated is you're working through the air why you Mantra is because you're chanting the Mantra right so then fire is Haven is basically you using an okay similarly there is tarpan tarpan is Jal Marin bjan bjan is actually your basically the Earth element where you are feeding

people actually so all these things are equally important they have their own specific significances and correctly used they make it absolutely terrific it's important to follow the correct usage and important to follow what the guidelines that the shastras have given for centuries in these matters uh because uh uh in my opinion and I I differ with a lot of people on this so these days I see many places that only hav is so more and less people uh you know go ahead and have this idea that just by doing homas how alone one can attain

uh but there's no evidence of that there is it is even in fact contrary to the established Norms of all traditional sadas whether it's tantri or Vic or anything nobody you can go to a Shankar and meet him and ask him can I do hav on and off no you'll say there is a procedure there's a method there's amount of the D Etc then you do because it's a very intense process something that is very intense has to be controlled and coordinated in the right Manner and then it becomes useful or one leaves Society completely

becomes a sadu some sadhu sad not the vedantic sadas vedantic sadas they give up fire rituals also uh in certain other sadas in North specifically after many years of sadhana the guru may allow you to keep something known as duni tuni is a 24 bar 7 fire okay and it is extremely ENT but remember it is not for a householder it is not for any other aage person it is for somebody who has the capacity to handle it fire is very powerful extremely potent method of upasana is fire because the thing a thing is when

a thing is extremely powerful you use it with the right reverence right manner right quantity this whole thing is very important japa is important fire is important tarp is important certain dat is are there ganpati for example if you have a dsha of proper traditional way of DHA one of the best things to do is T to ganpati what is tarpan tarpan is just like you do tarpan to pus tarpan means it comes from the word which means to satisfy you feel satisfied so you are you doing tarp to your ancestors with water and black

th and all that somebody does ET and saying that be satisfied tarp has to be done for daes also datat also you say there's a there's a the Mantra of the DAT will be there and then there's a phrase that has to be added with tells them that okay I'm doing tarpana to the D and Puja to the D Etc uh certain count of tarpas have to be done it produces remarkable results tarpa to sub dat is are very very powerful and in the K tantri tantric Mark since we talking of that tarpan has to

be done using alcohol so you give Karan to the deata and you use the phrase and say that I'm doing your tarp you be satisfied with it so these are very powerful process it's not just only one thing is there the greatest upasak is one whose mind has become so tuned so he knows what exactly is needed of this you don't do blindly everything what is to be done when a Haven is needed then you do a h but there are some procedures before that there is certain amount of japa that has to be done

certain amount of tuning with the Mantra if that is not there if you keep blindly doing H it will not lead to any pro I mean you can claim various things claim is irrelevant I tell you what you claim makes no sense it is what the world will claim or see that is what so traditional idea is more or less you do uh you you graduate to doing homas in a controlled manner after you have first completed japa and all that in fact japa is so important that japa is the only only thing that can

take you direct take you if you are capable into the Akash which is the most powerful of all the Tas it will Akash entering into the state of the Akash T is not possible while doing homas or TP or other things when you say entering the state of Akash tatwa do you mean astral travel no no no no it's it's a change in your Consciousness during japa it is possible not always those who can do it yes if somebody is that elevated that he's 24 by7 in that state of the Akash then whatever activity he

does whether he's doing a h or whether he's cooking something he's in that state that's extremely rare the reason why Jaa is so important is only during intense japa only and japa could be n japa Mantra Jaa whatever you're doing for days and days and days you can enter into a state of the Akash in this state of akash you understand the true potency of the Mantra of the deata Akasha is very vast it is present everywhere and it is nowhere it is the subtlest of the elements other elements have some wind you can feel

the wind right fire you can see the fire water you can feel the fire thing Earth is stable like that Akasha is none of these and yet it is more powerful than all of this e for lack of better words only when your japa enters into that State your meditation enters into that t is connects to that then you start having the actual experiences of the D it is without the akash you are still at the struggler level okay uh there's a lot of people who gained from your bav sadna uh explanatory video right but

effectively you said om bayama is the starting Mantra yes do the Mala job know how to use your fingers correctly there is a method that you're supposed to use your middle finger to actually move the Mala uh and you use your thumb to keep it stable and balance it on your ring finger hold it near your heart chakra it produces faster results but you can actually hold it yes okay um and try constantly visualizing that the Mantra slash the daty is being imprinted into your heart heart area yes this is the base level beginning of

the B just Ure sure you have the right kind of Mala right Mala is fine okay can I ask you some of my own q&a's FAQs related to this I try doing it in front of my fire uh in front of my altar uh but obviously that's not possible all the time if I'm traveling if I'm in a flight sometimes I'll do it on the flight but I try visualizing at least that there's a flame in front of me correct uh of course my mind wanders while I'm doing the job but I try bringing it

back to B uh and I try doing a certain number of malas every day uh I began slowly and then I worked my way up uh how what do you think of five malas a day it's fine it's good enough starting stages carry on that so basically what I tell is that whatever you're doing even one Mala also keep doing it on ashtami tiis do more okay so keep a track of the ashtami titis yourself find a way to find war is the ashami you can find it online easily it's available Krishna Bak ASI specifically

once a month it will come so whenever that Titi comes before that one two days before that mentally prepare yourself that day do more japa as for as you can some people do lot 40 50 malas also they do okay some people will do 100 malas also of this it will take 2 three hours 100 malas but it's up to the individual it's not necessary that you have to do that you say you doing two malas or three malas daily on ashami you do say 11 malas or 12 malas or 10 malas something like that

does the speed of chanting matter if you're doing large number of counts then obviously you have to do it at a faster Pace yes okay so certain moments in the sadna will make me do it slowly yes I want to do it out of the pleasure of doing it SL so I just listen into that intuition yeah so there are two things about this now the way that you are doing at this moment that is fine slow down no issues sometimes people do mantra aan which is a more complicated process slightly more complicated process why

you take a Salpa at the beginning that I will do so many amount of malas in so many days there you have to keep the count as primary even if you are feeling like slowing down you have to ensure that you are finishing the count so there if you can balance that to very good if you're not doing an Anan if you're just doing say three malas or five malas I'm doing daily or two malas whatever it is and in between once your once the Mantra connects to your chit shaki there is there's a power

inside you once there's a connection that happens at that time the Mantra will slow down mind will slow down you will start enjoying the process so there you can slow down but continue the Mantra then the japa becomes like a meditation yeah happens and that is a very good sign you had asked me to keep a track of the numbers so I maintain a note and I'm waiting for the point where I reach a thousand malas right why did you because thousand is considered as a say generic number uh when you uh complete 927 or

26 malas that is as good as one lak of the Mantra plus there's an additional few say another 70 80 malas uh that kind of covers any kind of lapses that you might have happened that might have happened in the japa so thousand is considered as a as like a safe number safe number as a parameter to cross okay okay what after that after that you intensify so it is not that you'd have to change the Mantra even with this only now you do more intensified japa you can increase the count of the japa or

you can start doing smaller Anan so so you see that 1,00 ja Mantra Jaa may have taken you 3 months four months whatever now you say no let's do something more intense thing say I want to complete uh 200 malas in 5 days okay oh or 6 days or 7 days something like this like you create games for yourself yes you intensify that and that will have stronger effects and what do you mean by effects effects means the effect of the sadana which is what which could be many things you could have deeper experiences you

could have a more conscious engagement with the dity you could have some material changes also many things are possible the goal is to keep keep doing so you uh there is of course a possibility of people doing higher levels of Bava mantras there many Bava mantras but even with this one also I feel and I have seen that not just feel I've seen that with people so if you carry on intensifying the sadhana it is going to cause work in your Consciousness and bring about certain changes okay positive and help you develop faster so all

in all post 1,000 it's about creating those mini games for yourself sort of you that's one way of putting it but basically these are what we call technically is the anush so so basically after 1,000 malas are done you don't stop the sadana it's not that then you are like you have just crossed one threshold do you still count after that yes count never goes not until you have reached that state where the Mantra completely drops off and you are in a state of permanent ad with the do you have a number in mind no

there's no it doesn't depend on the number it depends on what kind of karmas you are carrying how long it will take how will you know when you've reached that point you will always [Laughter] know uh there are more potent mantras than this yes and that will come to you from a guru ideally it should there are restrictions on those mantras also the japa of the Mantra requires some other discipline in a way uh and those mon I recommend only for people whom I am guiding in a more personalized manner otherwise but om so my

point is this don't have a Fascination that just because the Mantra is more complicated I'll gain something more like that it's not necessarily true even the simplest Mantra if done with a lot of concentration discipline and for sufficient time will produce strong effects on the individual and open the path for the individual when you speak about the word concentration yes I visualize an image of kalav in my heart and occasionally I might visualize the Mantra in my heart what else does concentration mean other than what I've just said no no concentration is not the visualization

part you can visualize so many things you can visualize a white light also you can visualize if you have been to Kal Bava Temple and you have seen Kal Bava can visualize Kal there that vigra also that is very good to visualize concentration means lack of deviation okay because your head will run to your problems bringing and the and the break of concentration is an indication that there are multiple karmas still there which breaks your concentration the more the karmas are done with through the japa through the practices that you're doing as they are getting

uh you know fulfilled erased or removed from your balance the deeper view concentration will automatically happen okay I'm a Punjabi guy MH the women in my life my mother and my sister are my sources of inspiration in terms of I think it runs in my blood to protect them just Punjabi dude North Indian guy nature there are days where I'm worried about my mom and my sister and I might do one Mala for them is that an effective way of praying to your that's an effective way of praying to your D and I don't count

it in my own job no that's perfect that's the right yes okay cool that's you can even light uh so if you're uh so if you want to pray for somebody to do something additional you can light a specific Dia in their name to the DAT to light a and say that whatever is your prayer XY Z whatever the issue is you tell everything and then you sit and do some Jaa that much to definitely you can do whether he will listen to you or not that is up to him that much you can definitely

do is there any other FAQ you get from this zone of questions related to this basic basna yeah I think uh Alo other things are about Mala and stuff like that okay all right that's it sir thank you yeah fantastic episode with rajash nandi uh do you want to leave the audience with any signing off notes at all no just that you carry on your Mantra japa and as you do you will I'm sure progress in your path will open up and may the blessings of Lord Bava be with everybody may the blessings of mamaka

be with everybody j b j makamaka j m that was the episode for today ladies and gentlemen you are not ready for the next two episodes of the series they're entirely related to the divine feminine the next episode is about Kalima the episode after that is about the dash mahavidyas both are extremely powerful episodes in fact when we were recording those episodes there was a very different energy in the studio that's all I'm going to say right now for the people who've already consumed any of our episodes with rajash nandi you know exactly what's coming

our way but trust me the next two episodes of the series are the real meat of this whole series in my opinion even though these episodes were fantastic the next two are even better but until they released what I will suggest to you if you want more more of rajash nandi please go check out our mind performance app level superm mind we've collaborated with rajash nandi to bring you multiple Dy related guided meditations so you do absorb his energy and his knowledge through these podcasts but if you really want to begin your own Tantra related

practices that's a great starting point where you have access to rajash nandi's Prana his heart and his words of course that's it for today's episode look out for the next episodes of this series rajash nandi will be back on DRS [Music] oh