Alex Rodriguez and Big Cat Interview Kobe Bryant - The Corp

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gonna actually debrief right now Kobe Bryant is intense and I don't know if he liked me a rod I was a couple when I asked the goat thing that was a he's stared right through my soul so my answer is yes yes yes yes yes yes I mean it was he is yes a million stories we could talk to him for hours so many stories the biggest takeaway I had how similar your business career in his business career are he talked about the big picture and how even when he was a you know a rookie

in the league he was thinking okay at some point I'm gonna be you know going on from sports and making a living somewhere else and and and trying to figure out what businesses I'm excited about and you did the same thing investing in real estate in Seattle when you started out in MLB and I think big picture always thinking what's gonna happen in 20 years down the line is why Kobe is successful why you're successful 15 years ago they were talking about him not going out to to the club with his teammates and not going

to the restaurants he actually got a bad rap it was bad and he told us today that he was in his room reading and he was writing and practicing and of course a year after retirement from basketball he wins an Oscar mm-hmm but what I was most impressed with I got to tell you we gotta be doing big business did you see the size of that office it's 20,000 square feet it was enormous I'm wondering why the court offices aren't as big there was so much body armor my tummy started to hurt this was fun

though because we talk business with Kobe we talked playing career helicopters helicopters smush Parker he still does not like smush Parker that was very apparent also the worst shoe that's ever been created the 2002 I think 2002 he created the Kobe to's he was not happy when you challenged them about it when I showed him that shoe than like jump maybe jump he he basically like he just pretend that she never existed until I shows he was like oh my god I created that shoe he never said the name he's at the other company other

company the other company you could do the math on that but yeah Kobe Bryant you know five-time NBA champion not the goat but close you know Kobe I'm a Kobe guy Oh get MJ on this podcast and you're gonna say you're an MJ guy and imagine yeah okay no you know the head you're I'm fine I'm fine with that we could do that all day but you know what if you want to come on the Corp season two will be that guy that's perfect so hope you enjoy Kobe Bryant please rate review subscribe unsubscribe to

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anyway 18 time all-star five-time NBA champion it is Kobe Bryant we're here at your offices in Newport Beach and it is the core problem with obviously a rod and I want to start present day and then go backwards so you have gone from being a transcendent athlete to an unbelievable businessman and it's very similar to what a rod has been doing with the a rod Corp yeah mostly from my help but have you noticed you know do you attack business the same way as sports and have you ever had a moment where you're like I

got to chill out because the business world's not like the sports world oh the same but also different right the same in a sense that the attention to detail is there just like it is in sport the attention to detail right but it's different because of the intensity that you bring it's not like a game it's not like practice right you have to have patience you have to challenge people you have to hire well and find people that have a certain level of you know that demand excellence from themselves right and have that attention to

detail about themselves and then you want to building a team of people that have that passion and commitment to excellence so that's the that's the difference is that now I'm kind of more in a GM transition as opposed to being a player that is on the ground floor bringing out the intensity in each guy every single play it's a little different have you noticed a moment where you're like I can't maybe I can't be as intense as I was during sports I can't demand people to be here till midnight or practice without a ball for

three hours or no listen my thing is really simple here is that you know I expect excellent work we all do so I don't care if you're here in the office at 6:00 a.m. and you leave at midnight if the work that you do is average this is not the home for you conversely you cannot be in an office at all and have excellent work this is the place for you so I don't really care if you're here there's a lot of guys that get in the gym and work hard work hard work hard work

hard but then they can't transition that to 7:30 yeah right I can already tell that I wouldn't make it one day in this office I'm really good at looking busy but not doing anything yeah you gotta get results or so Kobi one of the things that I've been super impressed with by watching kind of your organization how you transitioned is really the team that you surround yourself with you know whether there's you know from Brian tamale to to the rest of your team what are the characteristics that you're looking forward to bring into your team

is it much like you want a teammate for the Lakers those type of course or what are you what are you looking for supportin thing is curiosity first I want curious people people that ask questions that want to figure things out figure out new ways to do things that's the most important thing and then from that curiosity having a determination to see that curiosity through all right to figure out those steps and if you figure out okay this is a particular course of action that we feel like we should be taking has it been done

before no but that's exciting to me let's figure it out those are the characteristics that I look for first and foremost so you say curiosity I read a story of how you like text with business people 3:00 in the morning 4:00 in the morning Micra Poli I think you know with you know people in the tech industry has anyone been like yo Kobe just chill out like stop texting dogs they're all about as crazy as I am yeah what is that though is there just you can you see it in a person the minute you

meet him like this guy this woman they just want it more than everyone else I think so I think you can sense it you can you know when you're having a conversation with somebody you can tell if they're truly passionate about what it is that they're doing yeah I have it listen bro you can't build what you build and not be there all right if you didn't have it you wouldn't be seeing it right anyways you don't put it with that shrink my way in yeah I'm saying yeah you can you can certainly recognize that

and you feel a sense of familiarity that person you said I read a quote that you said you love business as much as basketball there's no way that's true it's 100% real there's no way you look I mean basketball was your life you your passion everything you you're telling me you love doing business as much if you could you know basically snap a finger and be twenty five-year-old Kobe or the Kobe today you wouldn't go back and keep playing basketball no because I've already done it see here's the thing when I was playing and teammates

would say oh Kobe's not out in the road what is he doing you see me on the plane he's reading what is he reading he's writing what is he writing I'm practicing I'm writing I'm practicing I'm understanding how to tell stories I'm reading Joseph Campbell and how to create arts compelling arts and plots I'm reading that stuff so this is going back 15 years right so I don't just retire right deer basketball and lucky in the winning an Oscar you don't say yeah stuff comes from hard work and from studying for 15 years how to

write and how to organize structure right and you can't do that without having a serious love or commitment to the craft and and that's I mean alex has told the story but you know your rookie year and in Seattle when you started investing in real estate and basically while you were playing baseball also getting you know working in business and learning the ropes in business yeah I know I mean coke and I have so much in common we kind of came up at the same time but one of the things we have in common is

we was show up at universities yeah I know he was show up at Duke you know I took classes at Columbia Business School Miami business school and people are like why aren't you in a yacht why aren't you in vacation I'm like I'm practicing I am getting ready I don't know when they're gonna kick me out of this and at the same time is not just about moving forward but also it's about having fun I agree with Kobe I'm I sometimes forget that I played basketball and major leagues yeah I mean baseball for 23 years

yeah because I'm so excited in the moment yeah that sounds really weird to people right you know like I remember I said um I told somebody I said listen if what I do in the next 20 years is not better than my last 20 then I failed like that's disrespectful to what you've done the last 20 years how could you say my man I wouldn't accomplish what I accomplished my last 20 years if I did not have this mentality to begin with so yeah I mean I think I think to the average person like myself

it's you know it's crazy because obviously a dream when you're a kid was to play professional sports so yeah you couldn't imagine anything higher than that yeah and then you guys obviously lived it and then you move on and it's like well you know this is the next chapter I want to go back real quick though Duke how where would you have ranked on the most hated Duke players if you had gone Duke probably number one you would have gone to Duke though well here's the story about that is Coach K kept recruiting me you

can't recruit me you didn't he didn't just resign to the fact that I'm gonna go pro he was persistent about it so at that moment in time for me to make a decision to say okay you know what I'm not gonna go pro it would have been do cuz Coach K just kept going kept it on Roy Williams did too when he's at Kansas Dean Smith did not think Dean sent me a letter and he was like hey listen this is a home for you but I from what I hear you're good enough to go

pro and you probably will so I don't want to waste your time but you know this is a home for you if you ever want to take a visit here and you know and change your mind or whatever but Bobby Knight I did get a letter from Bobby Knight but that wasn't something that I would imagine is like reverse psychology like you stink Kobe you could never play for me yeah Phil Jackson does that Yeah right wait just does it through the media so I mean that's because you obviously decide did you was it a

hard decision but like I'm going pro or did you just know cuz a rod obviously did the same thing yeah you know as a young kid 17:18 calling to be a pro athlete it was uh it was a tough decision I you know ultimately the key factor for me was wasn't whether or not I was ready it was the fact that if I wasn't ready I was determined to figure out how to get ready and ultimately even if I was ready I still need to improve anyway mm-hmm right so the works not gonna stop it

was just a matter of do you want to come to the league and learn from the best and I'm doing the math in my head I'm looking at Stockton how many years his plan Drexler how many years he's playing MJ how many years anymore he's playing a Keane and these are players that I studied growing up and the best way to learn from them is to have that jump off of the film jump off of the page and see it face to face that's the best way to learn cuz I had it was like a

database I had everything in my mind and what they could do what they didn't like to do where they did it when they did it now if I could see that up close that is the greatest form of Education that I could possibly receive so that's when I was like nah I'm gonna I'm gonna go pro so that's interesting because I think there's a sports debate that's had a lot where a guy it's more happens in the NFL where a quarterback comes out and people say well he was in the wrong system and his offensive

line stunk right away and it kind of ruined his career do you think with what you just said it sounds like you think that if you're gonna make it you're gonna make it no matter what and if there's no like oh well things didn't go your way the first year and it ruined the you know the trajectory of your career it's either you have it or you don't sounds like excuses to me I mean you got to figure it out right if you really have an obsession to figure it out you will figure it out

right and every puzzle is constructed differently a a situation when he came into the league was different than mine Mike situation in Chicago was different than mine right everybody has a different puzzle man you just got to figure out your own puzzle it's it's interesting to think about like the the sliding doors of like if you go to Charlotte if you stay trying or if you don't I mean you know or we can talk about it now the Bulls I have always been intrigued because you know I'm a Bulls there were two different times where

it was like Kobe's coming to the bolts yeah and in 2004 at 2007 you know even in 2007 it was even into the season I remember you had that video to like buy a Bulls Jersey you know like saying you know if you want to be a Kobe fan how when you were thinking about going to bowls there's always this narrative no one wants to play in Michael's shadow were you thinking no I want to be in Chicago and go pass Michael no I was thinking like if you're gonna be a great franchise you have

to have multiple great players that's what the Lakers have done here that narrative in LA yeah that Giri you have Elgin you had magic yet myself yet cream yet I mean got LeBron I mean it's just one of those franchises that continued Yankees - yeah right so why are the Bulls any different right because you have Michael now everybody's intimidated to go play by that's ridiculous well I obviously I think the narrative is is basically made so that the front office can get a pass for never something that's really comes down to far be true

well you were ready to do it I mean would you have I mean you were was there a part of you mentally that was like I'm gonna be a ball yeah yeah like we were planning looking at homes schools the whole thing that's crazy man yeah so you know I know that Jay West Michael Jordan was like a big brother to you Brian Shawn there's a lot of people that influenced you in a big way and we're gonna get to that but in the business community some of the Titans you've talked to tell us some

of the people you've learned from the most and some of the people that have mentored you the most and somebody who you look up to yeah so the people I've learned from the mode when I had the idea of first starting a studio the first person I call was Oprah Winfrey mm-hmm and we sat on the phone about a hour and a half two hours we went through the history of building hardball and things that she felt she did well things that she felt like she didn't do so well and kind of walked me through

her journey you know to help me on mine another person is Mark Parker CEO of Nike you know I speak often he's really helped me through a lot of decisions Tim Cook and Johnny Ives Apple or so I would say those three are the biggest ones I've had the most influence in what I'm currently building now any common theme between those three that you kept saying they keep saying the same similar the amount of mistakes that are made mm-hmm right because we tend to look at them and say okay they don't make mistakes they don't

make bad decisions and that can be any further from the truth mm-hmm they all make mistakes you all make decisions and you just continue to plow forward continue to figure it out so I wanted to touch on the evolution of you as a teammate in 2000 I think for Phil Jackson writes the book yeah and it's like Kobe's uncle still waiting on my royalties oh yeah he says Kobe's uncoachable what was it what was your reaction in that moment when you see that you read that a guy that you have a relationship has success with

I was I was frustrated by it you know I mean because it was always a type of relationship where it was like you know for me it's just come at me direct I mean I'm right here you don't have to be yes me we can just hash this out you and me and he would rather not do that because that's uncomfortable right he'd rather go to the media and do it so a lot of stuff that I read in the book was the first time I've ever heard any of this stuff and I'm like dude

I'm literally right here right you know so when he came back you know that's one of the things that he said he'd apologize for because I listen you know I understand I we should just have a direct relationship and and that's how we were able to kind of move forward it was really frustrating man apologies good but the royalty would be nice too yeah yeah this is like just like your third book on me now great I'm a book on this was there any truth to it though do you think was there a moment when

you read that and you had to you know kind of take a look at yourself and like maybe I am NOT the best teammate because there's always this really interesting line to me when you're watching you know athletes at their highest level yeah a guy who is a clear alpha leader he runs a team there's that line of is he from like his ego is out of control - he just wants the most out of people right you know like Michael Jordan punch Steve Kerr in the face like you know there's stories of you pushing

their teammates and and train you know maybe getting some of them kind of crumble in the moment yeah do you did you see that and kind of reflect and say hey maybe I need to do a different do this differently well I think there's a couple answers that so [Music] drive a hard bargain the people that I've always had issues or problems with are the people that don't demand excellence for themselves I won't tolerate that except then when the career is said and done they're not going to be looking at you a player on his

team and saying you didn't win a championship no doing me looking here right so it's my responsibility to make sure everybody's holding themselves accountable I'm holding you accountable if we just play the back to back and we have practice the next day your ass better be there tape ready to go mm-hmm right cuz I'm there and I'm ready and I just got finished lifting weights for two hours right so our whole guys to a higher standard and I don't sugarcoat stuff never have never will right that tends to rub some people the wrong way now

it seems everyone championships on me and all of those guys still close to this day extremely close right Lamar they're not still close Fischer Shannon Brown deep fish all my gosh all Shaq right even Shaq Powell smush Parker no no okay another to talk about that's that's one of the people that would probably say I was a bad teammate yeah yeah yeah most mostly other guys men that you know you want up having this bond so you know you can't have those kind of relationships with guys years after playing with them and be a bad

teammate yeah no that's fair that's fair it's funny I want to piggyback on that because it is so true you know I mean I wasn't as fortunate to win them a championship or as good to win as many chambers but Kobe but you know nine that roster I mean they're like 24 brothers and to this day if one of them texts me right back I mean within five minutes I'm headed back because you build this incredible bond that only if you're one of the in our care case 25 I think 12 in your case is

this bond that never goes away and all of a sudden you become a good teammate yeah become nice you become this but it's a hard line between the best leaders are not always the most popular ones and I think sometimes people have our time to time they do not like I'll give you a story of the stuff that was frustrating and the whole selfishness stuff and all that stuff was frustrating if it will come to me and say it was a year there oh three where I had 40 points in nine straight games Shaq was

out it was a toe thing so Phil comes to me for distressed as Kobe we need you to take over the offense Mike all right cool so that's really no more I got it I got it so that literally started the streak of 40 straight game you know 40 points in nine straight games Shaq comes back from injury and Phil goes you know I still continue to do it right and then Phil calls me to his office goes eh you know we're starting to lose the big fella do you mean well he's not getting the

attention you know this this forty point streak is starting to kind of take away his fire hmm to prove something right so I need you to start dialing it back I'm like what says we're gonna lose him and we need him in June okay all right you have a game against the Clippers yeah like 38 or something like that a chance to score 40 gonna get 40 again it's a blowout game like dump the ball on the Shaq instead of shooting a wide-open shot the 40 point streak ended that night Wow that was it and

that's inside stuff that people don't know right cuz Phil was like hey we got a dollar bag got a dollar back it was the big fo perfect Kobe - you're like he's like you gotta dial it back you're like I'll score 38 instead of 40 well I mean there's a streak thing with a mint in a row right local record right right right I would have broke the record but instead you know what do you think I mean your relationship with Shaq I feel like it's one of the most intriguing relationships and in all pro

sports yeah were you guys ever at a point where you just wouldn't even speak no because we were very um very direct like I said before I'm very straightforward right I don't care if you're seven - or six - I got an issue with you I'm gonna let you know mm-hmm you know so no so we're always speaking just sometimes there's more volatile than others right but we're always speaking always direct yeah so and when when that all falls apart I mean what was your biggest like where would you say the the biggest problem with

your your communication was it you know Shack not coming - no it wasn't season enjoy it's funny when we sat down we did the interview together he finally copped to the fact that after we won championships she's like I can just relax and Coast over the summer because I know I got a teammate who's gonna be training 810 hours a day I was like see that's the BSS yes that would piss at [ __ ] yeah that's the issue right that's the issue but also it became a you know it's not something that we couldn't

have worked out either cuz right maybe we've been doing it right but I got to a point in my career where was the rumblings and some of it created by him that you know Kobe can't win without me and it was I hold up hold up no it's not true right it's not true right and I'm not gonna retire and have people hold that over my head mmm-hmm no let's find out you know it was just time to go separate ways so that that really did bother you and it's interesting because in today's NBA I

mean you see a guy like Kevin Durant go to Golden State yeah you would never have made that move no I wouldn't but you know it different strokes for different folks man I you know when I was coming up it was Kobe can't win without Shaq but I've never heard that argument made about magic and Kareem right or Michael and Pitt right but that was the that was the thing being thrown my way and I was like I will it is what it is let's see do you think that you got criticized more than a

guy like Kevin Durant or the guys who were playing now know at the moment in you know it's all different according to the moment in time right it always seems like more when you're in that moment you know I'm saying I don't think there's no more no less I think now with social media things tend to perpetuate much much faster but back then conversely the stories tend to sit a lot longer right there's there's less fires coming yeah do you understand on social media that you have the craziest fan base of all time I understand

that my fans are very passionate the Kobe standard I have a passionate following like they are insane whenever you do whenever the MJ LeBron thing comes up yeah the Kobe stands like you know they poke out their head out from under there like just attack you yeah passionate fan was their party when LeBron came here seeing maybe some of the Lakers fans be like no Kobe's our guy who did that I mean obviously you want to welcome LeBron but it shows your impact on the team the organization no I mean my impact on this organization

is to look forward if I have taught this fan base anything is that we want excellence we want championships and it's about the purple and gold it's not about one player and I came in here with magic and magic embracing with open arms as the creme and worthy and everybody else in Jerry West and elegant and all those guys it's our responsibility to do the same thing for the next generation that comes in and I take that stuff deadly seriously I mean it's like no guys no champions yeah yeah you know talking about deadly serious

I mean all you got to do in any conversation if it's getting boring all you gotta say is Kobe LeBron Kobe Michael C that's the type of immature question the regular sports fan this is what we owe this is what regular fans talk about you don't also you you're saying years ago what I'm saying is regular people ask really simple questions okay okay I just am a Kobe guy and debate well here's a fun fact for you Kobe LeBron has as many losses in the finals as Michael Jordan has wins in the finals I don't

care I want to talk about mentis Kobe because I know that mentorship has been a big part of your life both you as a mentor and as a mentee but one of the interesting things for me being a six foot three shortstop coming up out of Miami I had one guy to look at because I was scared as [ __ ] that they were gonna move me and I'm like to third base nor see outfield I'm like no I can play shortstop you got to leave me look at cow so I studied in you know

the back in the day we had two tapes we're gonna have another day yeah I've studied every tape I can get my hands on and I would go at night visualizing how he moved his body was six forty thirty that was enormous for a shortstop and and I don't need that I study on people said well you're starting to look like him and I'm like yeah that's because I want to be like him right and and then Cal and I became very very close and I remember one trip we went to Japan representing the US

and I literally sat in his seat next to him for like 10 hours and he said finally dude I got a Tapout I need a nap and I was so enamored by him so it was such a wonderful treat for me to have that with my mentor kind of take us behind kind of the courage with Michael was there ever a moment that you guys spoke but you felt like it energized you you learned from him yeah it was it was crazy man cuz my favorite player was magic growing up mmm and then I quickly

realized my father stole all my height I was gonna be a 69 point guard you know so look at this young guy coming up and the thing that I marveled that wasn't the fact that he was getting to the rim and doing these fancy stuff it was like how is he getting to the rim how is he doing it right you look at the footwork look at the fundamentals they got the spacing the pacing right and all those little things the angles and that's what becomes fascinating it's like okay how do I get there all

right so I started studying all those basics and then when I came to lead the first time I played against um I won his respect because it was like this kids not scared of me at all mm-hmm right and he saw a kindred spirit from that standpoint and that started a relationship and it became something where it was like text him anytime hits me right back questions hits me right back and when talking all the time and fact we just we just speaking the other day in fact cuz I was talking about hit me up

say Happy Thanksgiving and stuff and how the family how's family doing how the kids doing you know it was my young my middle child is playing basketball stuff right so he's asking about it how she's doing she's good she's good and I said you know at 12 I'm like having a hard time remember we're how she's doing at basketball at 12 and I'm like kids nowadays try to do too much mm-hmm you know like from a skill standpoint they try to have them do all this fancy stuff versus like the basic stuff and so I'll

teach my kids the most basic stuff we just do it over and over but I asked Mike I said what were you doing at 12 do you remember what you were doing at basketball at 12 he goes dude I was playing baseball yeah that's right let that sink in for a second I was thankful for people out there who are like over training their kids at 12 and like doing all this fancy stuff just let that sink in for a second that's a good point yeah it's crazy to think about that he's a great mentor

for all aspects I love my class but I mean I don't know why I said Michael earlier like I know him I probably should put a little respect Michael Michael Michael got stands - yeah Mike Oh Mike you guys stay listen I'll stand all all the time I gave you that LeBron stat you don't think that I've said that to like everyone I come on is that like things that MJ we was doing he learned from David Thompson and Jerry those guys stuff that I've done I've learned from MJ stuff that Brian does learn from

me and playing on the Olympic team and we're definitely stuff it's a chain thing man I know people want to talk about who's this who's that because it fills up good conversation time or downtown whatever the case may be before us as athletes it's really a chain reaction you can't have one without the other it's just not possible that's a good point that's a good point what uh did you see the Jimmy Butler stuff he you know obviously he heard Amanda trade he went and beat his the starters with the third stringers yeah and a

lot of people are saying that's kind of a Kobe or MJ move where it's like he's pushing his team and saying you need me did you think that that was a move that you would do or you know some of those detriment I think most of my team's we just call it a Monday practice yeah I mean well there's I read a story that you used to play guys to a hundred you did you be like you have to stay in this gym and play me to a hundred and I mean what was the biggest

margin of victory you'd ever wear well you in high school I used to spy guys 99 no kidding but you know listen these practices of practices are meant to be competitive they're meant to be competitive if your practices aren't more competitive than the games themselves you're doing the wrong thing mm-hmm and most of these teams and coaches have gotten into a mindset of resting players oh it's too much you know we're not gonna practice light daylight daylight they feel never gave like they there's no days off you show up in your work in practice yeah

and practices are going to be worse they ought to be more physical there's gonna be more trash-talking I'm gonna let you know right yeah yeah you're gonna show up today I'm gonna let you know yeah it's gonna be embarrassing you're gonna hate it but when Game seven rolls around the NBA Finals you will be prepared mm-hmm who would win one-on-one number eight Kobe verse number 24 Kobe 200 I think I would say number eight we win okay I would say number eight will win one thousand and three number eight yeah yeah the 40 point streak

yeah that had to be cut short yeah that's the only trash-talking me MJ I've had by the way is his 91 MJ versus mile oh three yes yeah you said that Tony Allen was the toughest guy to defend you whose last guy to defend Kevin Durant okay Kevin Durant that was the one that I retired without really having to being able to figure out what it is that he you know how I can why I stopped him why when he first came in the league he was easy to defend because he couldn't go right and

shoot you should kind of shoot across his face so that was a weakness that he had also in the post he couldn't turn left shoulder everything was right shoulder so that gave me areas that I could shut off mm-hmm right and then he started developing it so I developed it and now he can pull up left he could pull up right and you can shoot the long ball he has runners left hand right hand before he had a left hand finish at the rim I could always send them left force him all the way to

the basket even with the advantage of his size he was still uncomfortable finishing with his left so I could clamp the right hand and now force him into tough situations but now he developed that so then I couldn't really figure out is this a rhythm thing I'm trying to count the seconds that he takes to make his moves when does he make them but with Tom's in the game I couldn't really figure out that rhythm yet so I retired not being able to figure him out wouldn't you say Tony Allen was the toughest to guard

you where does Ruben Patterson the Kobe stopper the original Kobe stop now he's not on the list I mean it look listen I love so when Ruben I played together he was the one player that would compete against me hard every day I mean he was show up every day you had that kind of bob huggins cincin any tough mindset type of thing right so I love that about him but then now he's a free agent and now he's like oh yeah I'm the Colby stop I used to lock him up in practice so I

called him up I say rude dude if you need help with a new deal yeah let me know like I will go to the medium be like yo nobody guarded me better than Ruben Patterson I've seen this guy everyday a prat I will help you with your new deal right but now you don't piss me off yeah let me know now you went out there mouthed off now I gotta kill you every time I play you and it's not gonna be a good situation I love every now and then like someone be like I'm the

new Kobe stop what are you doing you're just making it worse for yourself and my favorite thing was seeing Shawn Kemp before a playoff game Ruben Patterson as fina ice bucket yes 45 another thing we have in common is that you know we had any issues a lot of people don't know that I'm very grateful because my knees were banged up and you said Alex you got to go see my guy in Germany so I went to see dr. Peter Wellington and literally says you sent me there my knee has not hurt we want a

championship we've done all probably the last five years pain free tell us a little bit about you routine you're a Newport Beach and you you take a helicopter walk us through it and why and how that started a lot of people don't know that story yeah so um I always get to practice really earlier my routine is always the same you know I'd wake up 4:00 in the morning and I lift weights you know really early 5:00 in the morning getting home at about 6:30 and time and wake up the kids for school and then

I take the kids to school every morning that's what I do I take him to school and then after I take him to school I go to practice I Drive the practice and this is when before people started really moving down south so I can get down to LA in 30 40 minutes right so I practiced I'd stay late after practice get my shots up treatment up drive back and I can get back in time to pick the kids up from school you know after-school activities all that fun stuff even on weekends but then traffic

started getting really really bad right and I was sitting in traffic I wanted to missing like a school play he's not sitting in traffic and this this thing just kept mounting I had to figure a way where I could still train and focus on the craft but still not compromise family time and so that's when I looked into helicopters and be able to get down and back in 15 minutes and that's when it started so my routine was always the same weights early in the morning kids to school fly down practice like crazy do my

extra work media everything I needed to do fly back get back in carpool line pick the kids up and my wife was like listen I can pick them up I'm like no no no I I want to do that because like you know you have road trips and Tom's you're not you don't see your kids you know so like every chance I get to see him and spend time with him even if it's 20 minutes in your car like I want dad right so that that would be my routine oh so no nap though cuz

you know if I was tired I take a nap I pick him up from school right go home I lay down for about an hour or so and then I go to the game but that wasn't like a set routine for me if I was tired I went to sleep was it I didn't Kove about if you had a road game saying Miami yeah 7:30 game same you'll get up early in the weights get up early do weights I have a breakfast get on the bus go to shoot around get your shots up come back

to the room do treatment ice stretch I may watch a movie I mean watch a little extra film right depending on on what movie the bust the stadium so we have we had two buses a first bus was generally for 34 45 second Buster's generally like five thirty which bus were you on generally the early one who's just to get treatment and get shot so cuz I like getting the arenas and sometimes I would actually get a car uh-huh and leave before the first bus because even though the first bus is leaving early there's still

people in the stands coming yeah and I like getting to arena's when there's nobody in there and you can kind of feel the purity of the place uh-huh you know especially in a road environment users yeah yeah well no but I mean it's a certain yeah purity to that and your routine at that time how many shots you trying to get up at that time so it depends so like if I was playing if I was playing the Spurs for example the amount of shots varies depends on how I'm feeling physically but the spots if

I was playing the Spurs will always like short porch hmm right short corner shots mid elbow shots those type of shots because those are the shots up don't give up don't always give up or you know screen roll action tim is always backing up you got a little short pull up right so I would go through those and then if I was playing like Memphis and got arrested with Tony Allen I work on a lot of back to basket stuff mm-hmm right put my body on Tony making sure my foot works right to elevate make

sure I'm hiding the ball that he can't swipe and take it going through those muscle memory things so the positions of the shots would vary depending on the opponent yeah all right you have to go in a second cuz you're a very busy man I'm gonna do rapid fire real quick all right give me one one word one God answer Matt Barnes incident it went Reve iral were you was he actually throwing the ball fit pump faking it right in your face man as far as I remember yeah I mean all I can go by

is what Matt said Oh Matt just saw him I just worked out his kids um I would hear like a week ago for their birthday he's this you know when he first came to the Lakers he's like me I don't understand how the hell you did not flinch now when people were ruining a great memory Marc Madsen dancing a real life Elain dance move from sighs oh that's a good point that's a good one you're mm rap album were you just like [ __ ] it I can do anything myself when that bad out myself

went that bad but it taught me how to write okay the Kobe twos the worst shoe of all time Kobe twos which ones no I'll show you the picture you know once you're no no the other company doesn't count yeah those count that company doesn't count that's that that's what taught me that I need to lead the design charge that picture is awesome this is like this is like the a-rod take do they not kissing himself in the road they dog Bella because they're some loser photographer being like Kobe's first of all first of all

listen I'm an african-american but I am NOT that dark yes I start deer and then the Hat in the wardrobe and all that like you know yeah Photography somebody took liberties yes that's when he took the picture of himself a rod kissing himself in the mirror he's like yeah photographers like this is gonna be awesome like whoops all right what about the little Wayne song Kobe Bryant do you listen to it every day every day in the car I listen to it it hides me up series he called me he was like man that performance

just motivated the hell out of me I think is like Game six he said I'm gonna do a song ok can I do a song like all right cool my thought he was just kind of biessing or whatever before the Celtics series he sends me the song and I was like oh you were serious yeah 2002 Western Conference Finals was it rigged well low officials named Tim Donaghy would you definitely have money on it yeah so that's a fact yes yes so from that standpoint yes yes but from the Kings missing twenty-something free throws in

game 7 good point good point unless you go a check their bank account some people forget that all right last one for me is there ever been a triple team you didn't want to shoot a shot through such a normal average person question you know it's true you like such an average person hey by the way to me then all should you're a micro Jordan Stan yes if a player today took 49 shots in an NBA Finals game and her team loss mm-hmm what would you say well I'd say he probably like you went six

and oh and I just think about it yeah just think about it that's what that sounds like just think about it I'm just saying you know you revisionist history sometimes people do revisionist history is actually going the wrong way though because I think people are starting to like say Michael Jordan played against no one and the NBA in the end all here's the thing man at the end of the day we're he and I always say the end of the day our goal and our mission magic Spurs everybody is to win championships that's it I

don't care how you get there I don't care what you do to get there I don't care if you got to pick up a team and cap I don't care what you do don't care if the yell at everything doesn't matter the goal is to win mm-hmm period yeah so Kobe I want to first of all say thank you for Dan and I and I've always been a longtime admirer thank you for being such a good four and also to continue to set the gold standard not only for athletes but for you know retired athletes

oh thank you and continue great speciated my man thank you question was good question well depends on the team if I got smooshed Parker laughs the best believe I'm shooting there puffer fish bad dude I'm taking that [ __ ] back [Music]