Christian Woman SILENCES MUSLIM Panel in EPIC Debate

if you are allowed to contextualize you would say some of the things that Muhammad did is crap you would say some of the in this epic debate on the topic of is Islam a religion of Peace this Christian woman absolutely destroyed the Muslim apologists and stunned everybody on the panel and in the audience before we get to the video here's a verse that I thought fits this video nicely John 14:27 peace I leave with you my peace I give to you not as the world gives do I give to you let not your hearts be

troubled neither let them be afraid what we're talking about here is the failure to contextualize actions for the standards of their time and I'll come back to the point I made because Douglas you didn't address it despite your protestations that you were going to now let me just ask you again Martin Luther was a fundamentalist wasn't he absolutely all Christians would agree with you that he was fundament can I now answer M question and then I want to bring if there were currently Lutheran there are lutherans around you meet them occasionally in Scandinavia and so

on very nice very nice is and Peaceable guys they are by a large if however there was a large proportion of Lutheran somewhere in Scandinavia that started blowing up non- Lutheran or no sorry let's be absolutely right started massacring peasants do you think that people would say hang on a minute let's not criticize Martin Luther he did that by the standards of his time we shouldn't criticize his followers all that much and we shouldn't point out what he said and so no we just say you know don't go and Massacre peasants full stop it was

rubbish at the time it's rubbish now it's the same with the miss the point if you're failing to judge no let me bring in your oh um I just wanted to point out in terms of when we talking about the Quran and saying that we can't contextualize it that's simply not true that's that is a debate that's hot in in the community amongst Muslim Scholars and amongst Muslims themselves were debating that very question is the Quran a living document much like it's similar in in uh comparison to the say the Constitution and the and the

debates that happen around that excuse me around that um the fact is Scholars say that you know when you look at the quranic Arabic there can be you know 2 3 four five six interpretations for every word there's only certain things in the Quran that Scholars agree are concrete like the concept of God afterlife things like that but beyond that there is a wide wide range of interpretation which is why there is a history that not many people look at and that's part of the problem that nobody's actually looked at the history of debate within

Islam about every sort of as that can come to mind I disagree with that the reason why I disagree with it it would be more accurate Zeba if you said the scholars that you find attractive say that but there a bunch of Scholars with a great number of following in Islam take and all of them are self-appointed by the way because there's no hierarchy there's no Seminary of Islam except University of alazhar and we know the products of Al aara but there are Scholars like Bin Laden who say we have to he's not a scholar

by anyone's he has the greatest following he has the greatest following the Islamic brotherhood Al when you to look at the Sunni Islam when you look at Ayatollah in the 20th century the most influential guy of Shia Islam another self-appointed scholar you have all of she bin Bas he has the greatest following she alwi maybe these are individuals that are not attractive to you but then it would be more accurate if you stated that they are attractive to many Muslims not thousands but in the millions and what they say and that's why they're influential is

they challenge every single Muslim individual are you a true Muslim if you are a true Muslim you live by what the Quran dictates you follow the example of the Prophet muhamad interpr Scholars who insist on that are far more influential far more powerful then you s spoken wonderful cuddly Scholars well imagine now so aan you just quoted uh Bin ladin as a scholar um and Hass as a scholar bin ladin for those of you who don't know uh is a an engineer a qualified engineer so not don't know him but why don't you define who

a don't know his history he's a qualified engineer who comes from one of the richest construction families in Saudi Arabia and was educated in the elite private schools of Switzerland in Saudi Arabia Hass Al that you referred to was a school teacher and in fact what you find common with all of the movements that you're worried about and that I'm worried about and we're all worried about are that they are found Ed by people who do not have a theological background now for all we think of Alazar and their very conservative views what we don't

find is that Alazar produces the likes of Bin ladin and Hass Alana or even mudi the founder of the jamaat islami in the Indian subcontinent mudi was a journalist s k the founder of modern day jihadism was a literary critic who came to America on a scholarship in the 1950s to study literature he was not a theologian so coming back to the point influential world who a Muslim scholar is the Muslim speaker is trying really hard to redefine who counts as an Islamic scholar as if influence doesn't matter but here's the problem Islamic extremism isn't

coming from nobody's these so-called non- theologians Bin Laden Ki Hassan albana they weren't just random guys with opinions they shaped modern Islamic thought and had millions of followers and the Christian side perfect counter the whole point is that Islam doesn't have a central Authority there's no Pope no doctrinal consistency you've got different interpretations sure but who gets to decide which one is correct the most influential voices in Islam are often the ones calling for strict adherence to the Quran and the life of Muhammad and history shows exactly what that leads to compare that to Christianity

where Jesus teachings of peace love and self-sacrifice are not just one interpretation but the foundation of the faith the New Testament is Crystal Clear love your enemies bless those who persecute you that's not up for debate meanwhile in Islam you've got Scholars saying we can reinterpret things while the most influential voices are saying no follow Muhammad's example exactly and what does Muhammad's life look like Warfare Conquest forced submission because actually the people you refer to were not qualified theologians but don't you touch on the problem by by admitting this don't you touch on the problem

that is inherent in Islam after the death of Muhammad that the problem of who speaks for Islam has not been resolved it could be the two of you could could Al it could be f just what does that have to do with with Islam being a religion of Peace if you're you're you're almost making the argument that Islam is what you want it to be depending on how you behave so if you behave peacefully is it not a religion of peace to you that is a brilliant question when you you can start by saying Islam

is something to to a different thing to 1.57 billion people and from that General point you can reduce it to what is it that unifies them and ultimately you will get to the Quran and the Hadith the Quran the Hadith the day of judgment the belief in the day of judgment and if you take those three concepts then it's far from a religion of Peace because you look first of all not only at the content of the Quran in context fine I'm willing to contextualize it but what if other believers are not and they're influential

what if I want to read Muhammad's practices simply as a matter of History another great figure in history but more Muslims millions of Muslims don't want to do that and really want to follow his prac what if more and more Muslims invest in the Hereafter more than they invest in life then we have a problem and and that's why I ask you to vote against the motion it cannot be only a religion of Peace because if it were only a religion of Peace if it were perfect why would we have this debate why would we

talking can the real issue here isn't just whether Islam is a religion of Peace it's who gets to Define Islam at all unlike Christianity which has a clear foundation in the teachings of Jesus Islam has been a battle for Authority ever since Muhammad died no Central Authority no final say just endless interpretations and here's why that matters truth isn't supposed to be subjective in Christianity Jesus says I am the way the truth and the life John 14:6 there's no debate over whether turning the other cheek means peace but in Islam one scholar says peace another

says Jihad and both claim their right so how do you trust a religion where the rules change based on who's in charge