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humanly possible it's two things let me tell you a few key basic things about investing in money it's going to lead to amount of success that will literally put you in the top 5% of investors but never have to worry about money again if you listen to this conversation we believe your money goals will come true in 2025 so take notes quick one before we get back to this episode just give me 30 seconds of your time two things I wanted to say the first thing is a huge thank you for listening and tuning into

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investing Journey you know because I mean this is what you spend so much of your time doing that I just think about my my team here say the dire of a CEO there's about 30 people and we started talking about money one day and it was mindblowing how nobody in my team's lives had ever had the conversation with them about investing we all think of investing as something that rich people after the age of 40 do once you have a million dollars um Al if you don't have a million dollars then the only other way

to invest we're taught is to buy a house ah this is driving me insane it's true though isn't it yes and that's that's the central part of my work is that you can live a rich life and that rich life can be richer and more vibrant and more personal than you ever imagined if you want to travel you can travel for longer than you ever thought you can travel for me at nicer hotels you can uh spend more time with your children with your loved ones whatever your rich life is you can do that but

you've got to learn a few key basic things about investing and money so let me tell you what I would tell my family when they come to me they go how should I start investing the simplest simplest way that I advise my family is I say get a Target date fund so let me explain what that is a target date fund is One Fund just one and you pick it based on the year that you're going to retire so if you're going to retire in 20150 if you're going to be 65 in 2050 you go

and you find that one fund it's called a Vanguard 2065 fund or Fidelity 2065 or Schwab 2065 there's lots of Brokers These funds it's One Fund all you do is put money into it that's it the fund like a pie chart is automatically Diversified so as you get older it gets more conservative because somebody who's 75 years old should be investing differently than somebody who's 25 One Fund all you have to do is set your money up to go into it every single month what is a fund a fund is uh a a set or

a basket of stocks and maybe bonds so we've all heard of you know companies like Microsoft Google whatever a fund owns lots of these right and that's important because we've heard diversification like you should have Diversified your Investments okay well how do I do that you don't need to go and buy 20 stocks and then figure out how much of each to do that's too much work and honestly most people are not good at that even professionals you buy a fund which automatically owns lots of stocks like hundreds of them and over time all you

the individual investor like me have to focus on is putting money into it automatically so a fund essentially I've got1 pounds that I want to invest um I find a fund where do I find these funds you can go to Vanguard Schwab or Fidelity all those are great companies uh what looking for regardless of what country you're in is you're looking for a lowcost brokerage firm so but there's also apps and stuff that I can you can use apps I don't like a lot of the apps because they gamify you to try to invest they

want you clicking and trading I hate Traders Trad you do not want to be a Trader Traders lose money investors treat investing like watching paint dry that's how sexy it is trust me I'm not getting my entertainment from investing I'm going out go watch a movie go watch Netflix but investing is boring and automatic that's how it should be I used a a a company called HRI lands down in the UK who have an app when I first started investing um when I first started investing in funds they they had a very ugly app so

I wasn't very compelled to use I think it's better now but I would use just do it on desktop which I do get your point because you don't want to you don't want to be game you don't want to screen all of that notific like ug it should be ugly I you want it to be too accessible as in I don't want to be able to check it every day no look on my phone you will see no investing apps yes there should not be why do you need to log in and check it every

day what's the point yeah in fact I log you know what most people should check it every three to six months and here's how you check it you log in on your desktop wow it's up wow it's down okay bye you're not tweaking anything it's like making Thanksgiving dinner once you've put the T in the oven just let it sit do not fiddle with it cuz you're only going to mess it up and in this case you're letting the turkey cook for decades and that fun so I've got 100 pounds I go on a website

Vanguard Fidelity Schwab whatever they are I have no Alliance to any of them neither do I um there's various ones in the UK I actually do recommend hgri land down just because it's simple and I think investing in funds there's no fees there's no fee associated with the investment itself obviously they take a you know they might take a percentage depending on which fund you're investing in I take my00 and investing in heve lands down you don't need there's no um minimum great from what I understand and there's no if you invest in a stock

they charge 122 pounds per investment but if you invest in a fund it's free um I put my100 pounds into a fund the fund is essentially taking one pounds one of those pounds and investing one pound into Facebook it's investing one pound into Google one pound into Shopify one pound into Spotify one pound into Nvidia or whatever it's doing that for me it's managing it for me it's making the decisions for me I just put the money in every month whatever I can and I leave it yeah and let's go even deeper I love that

we're getting into the nuts and bolts here because you know honestly most people they do not know how to invest literally what website do I go to and then what do I do the fund owns these different stocks and some will go up and some will go down and it's inconsequential to you all you need to know is you own this fund now that you've opened up an account and you've sent a hundred bucks or 1,000 bucks great you've made one of the most important decisions of your life now there's just one more thing you

have to do set up an automatic transfer so that every single month you have a certain amount of money going in now if you don't know how much money use my conscious spending plan guideline what did I say 5 to 10% of takehome is a good guideline all right you should be able to do 5% trust me anyone who comes to me they go there's no way must be nice I can't afford I go show me where you're spending your money I guarantee you I can find 5% to send in every month now you're not

trying to send it in I don't try to brush my teeth in the morning it's a habit investing is even easier than brushing your teeth because you set it up automatically the investment fund will automatically draw from your checking account and it will pull in a 100 bucks 500 bucks 1,000 bucks whatever your number is and so so you're not going to log in for 3 four 5 months you're going to log in a few months later you're going to be like oh my god I didn't even realize that all this money is in here

when you add that plus compounding over many years that is how real wealth is created so I don't want anyone to think that you have to be rich in order to start investing one of the ways you get rich is by investing I've got a friend that's currently actually in this building at the moment and I had this conversation with them about a year ago gave the advice that you've just given there and about 2 months later this individual who I Shan name came to me and I said How's your uh you know your your

your Investments going in that in that fund and they said oh yeah I had bills I had a credit card bill so I I took took it out oh yeah she she treated like a checking account Investments for me are places to accumulate wealth I don't draw from it that's what a checking account is for so if what that is is there's two parts to what your friend is saying one is um mentally she's thinking that this investment account is just money I can draw from if I need it so I would sort of gently

change the way she thinks about it the second is I guarantee her account structure is a little um subpar so here's how I would set it up this is in chapter 5 uh it's all automation cuz trust me I don't want to spend time transferring money back and forth that's I don't spend any time on that you get paid your money goes into your checking account from your checking account it is automatically transferred to a savings account in fact I have sub savings accounts for vacation car down payment all that stuff so you have money

set up for specific goals money is transferred to your investment account it's transfer there I'm not going to touch that money I'm going to let it cook and then I have my guilt-free spending which is going out with friends whatever I love and my credit card bill is automatically paid off every single month that's how you want to set it up it takes a couple of weeks to set everything up and then you never have to think about it again C how can you prove to me that this is the way to make wealth what

case studies have you got that investing in funds over a long period of time is the path to financial wealth because you know it's you said earlier about the paint drying thing The Narrative that we see about how why people and how people get rich is you know they sell a company or they have a lottery win or maybe they buy some cryptocurrency and it goes up yeah that's what we hear so that's what we're try and emulate totally we prove to me that that's that this fund strategy is better well there's there's a couple

things first off the research over more than a hundred about a hundred years shows the returns of the stock market and the returns tend to be at least in America they tend to be around 11% 10 to 11% and if you take out inflation you get about 7 to 8% per year now for anyone listening they go okay well what does that mean that number means nothing to me 7% whatever if you go right now and you Google investment calculator and you just plug in your age you plug in let's say 200 300 bucks a

month and you plug in 7% return turn and you just watch how that money grows you will be shocked Jack get me my phone I'm going to do it now okay so let's search for compound interest calculator and there's a really simple one this it's called money chimp okay okay I've got it all right all right so there's four numbers we need to fill out here let's take a look the first is current principle that means how much you've got in the bank I'm going to say $5,000 and I'm going to start when I was

16 because if IID saved my money when I was 16 and not spent irr recklessly I think I could have had that $5,000 when I 16 um annual Edition what does that mean how much can you invest per year so for most people they think about on a monthly basis they might say 200 bucks a month which would be $2,400 annual Edition okay so what do you want to say I'm going to say can I say $5,000 yeah that's you know about 400 bucks a month I think that that's reasonable I often find that with

people making uh median or slightly above median salary that there are hundreds of dollars of month of money that is unaccounted for that if properly made intentional could be invested so great 5,000 a year all right obviously I could have once I got past a certain age I could have increased that though so we're going to talk about that hold on to that idea okay how many years this was you at 20 this was me at 16 oh okay and how old are you today 30 okay so 14 years let's just do it until today

and we'll see what happens okay all right 14 years and then it says interest rate so what should we assume for that is that 8% yeah s to eight I I do seven just to be super conservative because I never want to be surprised on the downside right if anything I'm going to make more so 7% all right let's calculate it okay what do you see damn what do you see $133,000 537 yeah that's what you would have had right now now let's add some context so this is really important you see a number that

says $133,000 at age 30 yeah okay is that a lot is that not hm I don't know let's break it down at that point you started with $5,000 and you invested $5,000 per year we assumed no raises even though you obviously made more than you made at age 16 mhm weum assumed you stopped investing at age 30 which is obviously ridiculous and you end up with six figures let's play it out let's take it until 40 so instead of 14 years you invested for 24 years what do you see I would have $336,000 it's getting

better from just $5,000 a year it's not much it's fantastic again 400 bucks or so a month is very modest remember people's income goes up typically in their 30s and 40s and if you already are investing a little bit automatically all you have to do is just tweak a number and it will take an extra couple hundred three four 500 bucks let's do one more let's go to 34 years just because I want to see what happens and then we're going to play with the other numbers okay so investing from the age of 16 until

I'm 50 mhm I would have $736,000 in my account yeah now I want to do the full the full thing I want to do a more realistic number here so instead of 50 we're going to go 49 years that takes you to age 65 yeah okay and instead of $5,000 per year your income obviously went up from being 16 years old so I'm going to pick a number out of thin air and and I'm going to tell you how I picked it I'm gonna say instead of $5,000 a year it's actually going to be $30,000

per year let me tell you why I picked that in your early years you don't have as much money but you were still investing a little bit which shows that you're dedicated as your income goes up you're going to start proportionately continuing to invest so at a certain point your income will be really high and that will bring that average up that's why I switched it to 30,000 per year I actually think this is quite modest but I'm going to go ahead and do it so here we have someone starting investing at $5,000 they invest

$30,000 per year okay they grow it for 49 years at 7% do you know the math no tell me 12,330 so that's me starting with 5K gradually ratcheting it up until I'm investing well investing 30k on year a year per average across those 49 years yes which is a flaw in this because it's so simple that money invested you're not actually going to invest that much early on you'll invest more later so you won't actually you'll maybe have a marginal amount less but we're talking 10 versus 12 million that's a lot of money and then

if I got 8% instead of the 7% I'd have 17.4 million yeah but don't mess with that cuz this is what this is what people do they go well if I got 13% I'm going to invest in I don't do that you're going to lose all your money just stop 7% is safe it's conservative that's why I am here that's why I want to encourage people you don't need to juice your returns I hope you do get 8% but I don't want you to count on that I want you to count on safe stable returns

and what matters for you is the time you started early and the amount you have a considerable amount to invest you know the the biggest debt one of the things I um I love saying this but like the biggest debt all of us pay is ignorance and so I I heard this close at this pitch years ago and this guy got on stage and he and he was like Hey ma'am he was like how much do you make she was like $50,000 so he wrote $50,000 on the Whiteboard and then he wrote A Million Dollar

on top of the 50,000 and he subtracted it and said $950,000 he said you pay life $950,000 every single year for not knowing how to make a million dollars a year and it was a crazy concept he was using it to close the audience but I like the most expensive thing that all of us are paying for is the information that we don't know and that's like both frightening and also incredibly exciting because like fish in the best ponds right like a good fisherman knows where to fish and a different way of saying it is

find the people who value what you have the most and I'm sure you've heard this have you heard the story of the the father and the son with the car no okay so maybe I have I enough detail it's good it's good so there's there's a father who gifts his son an old beat up car and he says you know hey I don't know if it drives or not but you can take it down to the um the dealership down the street see if you can trade and get some money he was like okay so

he goes down the street goes to the dealership they say we'll give you a th000 bucks for it and he come you know hears him out comes back home he's like Dad they said give me a th bucks he's like okay he's like go to the impound yard where they you know break the cars up just for Metal He's like see what they'll give you goes there and uh the guy's like ah I don't know this might be500 Buck of metal kid like you know comes back home he's like Dad you know he said it

was going to be $500 he's like okay he's like hey go down the street to that uh that antique uh dealership see if they've got anything that use carlot he's like okay so he goes down there talks to the guy comes back home super excited he's like Dad you won't believe it he's like this is a historic car there's only like 10 of them left he's like it's worth $100,000 and so the father smiles and he's like and the lesson I want you to know is that it's not necessarily who you are but the people

that value you the most and so you can talk to different people and go to the people who value you and I just I I love that story because from a it's a Hu it's a huge business story in terms of like sell sell the where the fish are where the big fish are like if you if you're going to go Hook Fish go to go where the whales are um it takes the same work but a lot of it's just belief people don't think it's possible and so a lot of times you have to

just keep leveling up and you sell your first $110,000 thing you sell your first $100,000 thing sell your first multi-million dollar package you realize it's the exact same thing it's just so maybe if I'm list if anybody's listing right now it is the same thing it's the exact same thing and sometimes it's easier it's normally easier like you know you've seen that Meme that says like uh so what exactly am I going to be getting for this $50 thing right and then it's like uh $50,000 clients like wire scent yesterday like what do you else

do you need like it's and that's totally true um but I think there's a skill in understanding where to fish so a skill um information it's information it's even knowing that there was another Lake over there in part and and that's why like listening to conversations like this is so valuable for people because it lifts a curtain and you go what the [ __ ] you guys were behind here the whole time partying that's what my business life has been like it's like gradually like I think I heard Kevin Hart describe on Joe Rogan one

time where he said there's this other room yeah where these people playing this other set of money games yeah and then when you get in that room you get you're almost pissed off that nobody told you this room existed did but then there's another door yeah and then you get through there maybe a couple of years later and you find these other people these [ __ ] billionaires that playing another set of games and you're going what and they're chilling yeah they're just smoking cigars they're not even doing any hard work and you go tell

me the games that you guys have been playing in here yeah and then again the frustration is and that's kind of what I feel like in my business life it's been like where at the jump I'm charging I don't know I remember my first we found our first deck from 2014 charging I remember the package we did gold silver and bronze it was like you know like $200 package for like support and then $500 and then the gold package where we threw everything in for $1,000 and I remember my one of my first clients um

accepting that and then I think today like the only difference okay there's skills that have increased but information is the big thing knowing how to do it you know um when you think about curtains that have lifted that have really shifted the games you play from a value money perspective mhm like where someone's Ed the Lights On You [ __ ] of course yeah is there anything else that comes to mind I will answer it with the stair steps of how each order of magnitude change in my income so when I went from being an

employee to self-employed I went from making four figures a month to five figures a month and that was for me just like I'm now in control the level above that was I started having other people who worked for me and then went to six figures a month right and then from there stayed there did the turnaround business still had the same organizational structure had another degree of Leverage and so the next degree of Leverage was that I started licensing so it was digital right so the cost for you cost of goods is basically nothing but

all of these things are about leverage and so this is like one of my favorite topics in the whole world but if we Define leverage as the difference between what you put in and what you get out so if you have a lot of Leverage you put a little bit in you get a lot out if you have no leverage or low leverage you put a lot in you get a little bit out and a lot of times people who are listening to this and are not making as much money as they want they're putting

lots of input in and not getting a lot out they have low Leverage opportunities and so understanding how to get more for what you put in is the game overall and so the first level that I described was Labor it's just work first I was working for someone else then I worked for myself then I got other people to work for me first level each of those levels was more leverage above that I had media which is the thing that I was licensing out so another degree of Leverage I made it once and I could

license it out Infinity on top of that I have capital I can take capital I don't have to sacrifice time in order to get something for it so it's high input output um above that would be some sort of Technology you build the code once in theory obviously you continue to improve the code but theoretically you build the thing once and then a million people can use it and so you want to Stack as many types of Leverage as you can and as much of them as you can because like Joe Rogan also has a

show and somebody else has a podcast they both technically are using media as their as their as their vehicle for leverage but he has significantly more of it so it's not just like I'm going to use all these right yeah but it's also how much and to what degree but like Facebook had other people's money he used media had other people's work Max leverage Amazon same thing right they used every element of Leverage and they maxed all of them out and um that's that's at least the the curtain that and nval talks about this if

you're familiar with Nal rant um he talks about these things as the as the the P the elements of Leverage or four types of Leverage um and understanding that for me has kind of been a blueprint for wealth overall and then you know Capital there's degrees of capital right like you first you can get friends and family to give you money then you can get you know institutional money and then you can get public money right which you know you saw like the IPO money like the fact that the NASDAQ was Forex uh the dorf

exchange is that where it was right um there's just significantly more capital in that market and so it same work more zeros um and so I love this topic because I think that that's fundamentally like the people who move faster in life don't actually move faster than get more for every step if right now you want to find where is your unfair bet that can make you your Millions with your skill set that nobody else in the world can replicate except you here's what I need I would need a whiteboard I would need a pen

which I would do if I was you and I would need a smart friend perfect like so I've got Stephen here and at the top of the right whiteboard I would write on this side skills oh my God you're going to see my handwriting like a doctor and on this side I would write money M and I would start writing down all the things that we're brilliant at so let's pretend it's it's stepen here and we'll pretend like you don't have all the things that you have but your core skill set you could put your

hand on the screen by the way oh it makes me nervous am I am I doing this like a boomer I am the handwriting is a little bit it's giving doctor so I'm yeah look at that okay so embarrassing okay so social media right you're incredible at social media what else are you probably good at well you know a lot of people you've got a network what else well it's not just just social media though it's actually a few particular things it's like YouTube and I think you're one of the best in the world at

short form video right you're also one of the best in the world at like a datadriven social media strategy so you can kind of say upfront hey we think this is going to go viral because the data says this thing over here what else is Stephen good at he's charismatic he can probably get people to agree to things just by talking to them you know what what else uh British ACC you know so probably you want more in-person interaction because uh we've got you know uh a very charismatic person what else is Stephen really good

at well he asks a lot of questions this is my hinge profile by the way I'm totally just gonna copy and paste St yeah good-look funny you know yeah exactly so so we'll just say these there's a lot more deal flow but let's just pretend that all you're good at is social media you're good at getting to people which is a network you don't even have to know rich people just can you get to them you're charismatic you're data driven okay great we've got all these skills now how could we apply these skills to get

the most money humanly possible and I would do exactly what you said so how do you figure out most money humanly possible it's two things it's the how would I do this it's the size of the problem it is the value of the solution interesting okay and so if I'm thinking about this for you if I go and I give your social media media skills to a trade or service business M I'm not going to make that much money how do I know I'm not going to make that much money because I'm going to go

look up online what is the average revenue of this business and the average profit margin yeah now you probably didn't even think this way when you were thinking about it but you guys look online right now what's the average profit margin of a biotech company in average revenue let me tell you what it is it's going to be like 50 to 80% and it's going to be hundreds of millions that you could potentially get Trade Services business a lot less yeah and so that's where I would start skills plus money really equals to three things

which is like sector size of the business and profitability of the business and I would play this game and what that might look like is you go okay I know that I have some friends in let's go to the places that we know have the most cash in Silicon Valley in on Wall Street if they could make a lot more money if they had a lot more attention because what I'm selling is attention I want to get to the people who can make the most money with the most attention and that means that I'm not

going to go to Walmart only has 6% margins I'm going to go to the highest person that I could get to and it'd be fun if anybody's listening to this right now try it like tag Stephen and I in your stories on Instagram of your little charts and let's see and I'll give feedback anybody that tags me in it if you're like here's the here's what I think my skill is here's what I think the industry is I'll tell you one way or another and it can be fun you can see other people's examples live

so people people that are only listening on audio and and that can't see what the um this uh chicken scratch chicken scratch you've just drawn on this iPad um on one hand you have you list your skills and then on the second side you're listing the ways you believe you could make the most money from those skills based on the size of the problem you'd be solving with them and the value of the solution so for example let me let me try and play this game with you then so okay so I am a writer

so I'm going to do my skills on the left hand I'm a writer and on right I'm going to write money yep I'm a writer I'm really good at writing stuff um that's it and I kind of get I kind of get the internet so I kind of understand LinkedIn blogs and stuff like that but that's it I'm a writer let's go with what would be the worst what would be the worst thing you could do if you're a writer to make no money to make no money cuz sometimes it's easier to do the negative

okay working for a local news yeah local I was thinking like fantasy books like you could write like fiction you know really hard to make money in you could write for a local newspaper that's an even worse idea so I like that so now you've got your your bottom tier right which is like 14 bucks an hour or something like that now if you look about I mean you could Google this what is the highest paying jobs for writers I bet the thing you'd find on top copywriter why I got a better one oh what's

the better one do you know why I know this because when I was in working in biotch we couldn't hire one which is a medical writer oh oh so smart hypers specialized honestly we so a typical copywriter when I was working in my social media company we might pay entry level £25,000 which is probably about $35,000 okay a medical writer someone that can write about the psilocybin compound in my psychedelics business would get paid $150,000 or more we just couldn't find some we found loads of people that could write yeah but nobody that had within

their skill stack even though it's quite easy to teach the ability to write using medical words slightly medical words it doesn't mean you need a medical degree you could probably learn how to write become a medical writer in a month if you really committed yourself to it so that's the top true and same with Finance we go to the things we know so you know biotechs you know there's a niche there I know finance and I know that again it's one of the highest paying Industries so a financial writer what would that look like it

would look like somebody who knows how to write probably an investor update yes right yeah yeah yeah so hugely lucrative and then the other thing you could do is I guess I didn't even think about this before it would be like size of the problem it would be value of the solution and then it would also be structure of your job so like if you're a copywriter I wouldn't take a job for 35k what would I do I would say hey pay me what is the salary you want to offer 35,000 I'll take 10,000 so

I can eat because I'm hungry but can I have a percentage of The Upside that I drive above and beyond goal so if I'm going to write copy that converts into Revenue like I'm going to write a funnel for your biotech company or I'm going to write a funnel to get investors for you if right now per month you get $100,000 through that funnel how about you just pay me an extra 10% of everything I drive above your 100K so I think that's another way you can make more money is getting smarter on deal structuring

well that's actually when I moved into biotch how I got paid and when I talked about a thou being paid a thousand times more than I would have previously it's because was the way I got paid was in options in the IPO brilliant yeah so I got given in that particular company I got given 400,000 shares effectively in the company at a certain price um and so when the company ipoed at $3.2 billion on the NASDAQ in July 20 I don't know 21 or something even though I'd only worked in the company for about six

months just helping them build out the marketing team I think my like net return was on the equity value at the time was quite close to 10 million so 6 months work 10 million return because I you know and the re really really the reason I did it was CU so interested in psychedelics but it just opened my eyes to the fact that any kid with social media skills and that knew how to structure a deal with these people could have walked in there and said give me some stock in this IPO and I'll run

your social media for six months you're so right could have change your life yeah and it's it's something I'm struggling with trying to get people to understand right now is that even if you never buy a business which is what people fixate on well I haven't bought a business yet I haven't bought a business yet it's like God you're never going to regret learning how to do deals you're never going to it's I think that is the most valuable skill set in the world I completely agree and it's so unfair that people don't know about

it it's so unfair but it's also your fault if you don't know about it because nobody's gatekeeping this information anymore it used to be gatekeep like when I first started off in private Equity I wasn't allowed in the rooms where they were actually doing the deals and the terms and if I wanted to see what the final terms were like I had to kind of you know sweet talk my way into figuring out how they structured it but it's an unknown unkknown so before I knew I didn't know that I didn't know yeah that's true

yeah that's very true but now I think there's enough people out there talking about it where you're like I mean if you think about whether you like Donald Trump or not what is he really good at deals the art of the deal like it it that's it and that is what Mo I mean Elon Musk how does Tesla actually make money they make money through credits through credits for solar so he was able to survive for those 10 years of building that company because he has some of the best solar tax credits in the world

that he negotiated with the government so where does one go then where does a 25-year-old kid listening to this go to learn how to make deals well I have a book coming out yeah called Main Street millionaire yes exciting I know and we have we have stuff we can tell them about that later too okay well I'm going to link Main Street millionaire below so everyone can pre-order it I've pre-ordered I think 10 or 20 copies of it maybe a couple more um but that's like 30 bucks and you learn almost everything you need to

know about doing a deal to start and that book is only what you need to know I made it on purpose not really long not overly intense it is exactly what you need to know and then if you like learning deal making and you like that book then you go to contrarian thinking.com and we have courses and free newsletters and a community all about buying businesses um but that's where you should start the other thing I I came to learn is I got money and I it was almost like someone pulled the curtain back for

me is how wealthy individuals play the TX game oh my gosh and it's a tax game that the average person has no idea what's going on got to talk about money tax avoidance is a key skill to Building Wealth and by the way we don't talk about I I speak openly about my I won't call it tax avoidance but my Tax Strategies if you're you know it's like they said if you're a prison of War you have an obligation to escape if you're trying to build wealth you have an obligation to pay as little tax

as possible do it legally but Apple will issue their IP to Apple International in Ireland and then they will use apple Ireland they will license their IP to America charge them tens of billions of dollars thereby increasing the income of Apple Ireland at a lower tax rate and decreasing the income in the US thereby lowering their overall tax rate that is pure tax avoidance every organization every corporation does this to the hilt and so should you by the way I will vote for people who have an alternative minimum tax we have to raise taxes on

corporations the 25 wealthiest Americans pay between 6 and 8% tax rate what are the tax games they're playing oh just the rich people there's a bunch of them first and foremost it's you buy stocks you never sell them you borrow against them okay explain that to me like I'm a 10-year-old so sure you own $100 an Amazon stock yeah you need money to buy something instead of selling the stock and it say it's gone up 50% I say it's doubled you would have to realize a capital gain and pay long-term capital gains on that $50

gain no just borrow against it and let the stock continue to grow and you pay a little bit of Interest hopefully from your current income but basically it's invest borrow against it and die put it into a a trust and then pass it on to your kids there's a lot of um State Arbitrage Jeff Bezos just moved to Florida to spend more time with Dad isn't that sweet Stephen isn't that nice no it has nothing to do with his father give me a [ __ ] break he aggregated $160 billion in wealth he would pay

about another eight or 10% in state taxes in Washington because he's got to leverage the public school system the University of Washington the Seattle Tacoma Airport the hospital system but in the US you're allowed to piece out to Texas or Florida and pay no income tax so all the people [ __ ] Post in California or New York show me someone who's CR all of a sudden can't handle San Francisco politics I'm going to show you someone who needs to recognize a capital gain and has all of a sudden decided they like like Texas politics

it's really not very it's very disingenuous there's uh the tax loophole I've leveraged in the US there's something called 122 or qualified small business so when I started L2 what's L2 L2 is my analytics company I started it I invested a small amount of money um uh because it was a business worth F less than 50 million your business would qualify in the US as qsb small business if you hold on to that stock in that company for longer than 5 years when you sell it the first 10 million or 10 times the basis are

taxfree so the first 10 million out of L2 was tax-free zero that makes no sense if that sounds like we're screwing the middle class trust your instincts I invested in a company brought a company out of bankruptcy I invested two and a half million the first 25 million got very lucky the company got sold for a lot of money the first 25 million were taxfree these are the tax code has gone from 400 pages to 4,000 and that extra 3600 pages are to turn rich people into super rich people now the myth around taxes is

the following that rich people don't pay their taxes actually the sort of Rich pay a disproportionate amount of taxes so if you make all of your money from current income that is salary and you make a lot you're actually paying more taxes than anyone so mom's a baller she's a partner in a prestigious Law Firm making a million bucks a year dad's a chiropractor has three people working for him he makes 600 $1.6 million a year total ballers in order to make that kind of money they probably have to live in a urban center in

a blue state where at that level they're paying 45 48 sometimes 52% tax rates but if dad decides to raise capital and buy a bunch of chiropractic clinics and they become Investments and he sells them for $50 million his tax rate plum so you don't want to be a super earner you want to earn enough money to invest so you can become a super owner the top 25 wealthiest Americans pay about 8% in tax right so actually the bottom half pay almost no tax they pay a lot of consumption taxes but it's the super earners

that get screwed what I call the workhorses but once you makes the jump to light speed and you own things and you make your money from buying and selling assets your tax rate plummets the really sort of actionable thing there for the average person as well is probably the the first point where you said a lot of what rich people do is they'll buy a stock so I'll I'll spend 10K on Amazon stock and then I go to a bank and the bank give me a $5,000 loan against my Amazon stock taxfree and I just

hold the Amazon stock now I've got 5,000 taxfree if the Amazon stock goes to TW $20,000 in value then I can I can go to the bank and say it's gone up now give me another $5,000 and I just spend and live off that money now if the Amazon stock collapses I'm fine because the loan was against the stock so they'll sell the stock at a certain point as it's collapsing to get their money back yeah I mean you don't want to get into too much trouble but it leverages how smart people go broke but

the idea is that one of the great tax schemes in history is that stocks grow think of yourself as a stock you you go up in value a million bucks a year you're making a million dollars a year doing a very successful podcast every year the government in the UK is going to take 40 cents of that 40% of it if you own a million dollars in stock and it goes to two million you don't get taxed on it till you sell it yeah so just never sell it never sell it and that's what elon's

doing with his companies people say he's got you know $200 billion whatever in fact he's borrowing taxfree against those companies and then when he finally needs to sell it to pay off some of those loans he moves to Taxas despite the fact he built all his wealth in California smart I think one of the Great advant ages of life is um as it relates to wealth creation is really getting good tax advice because I've sat here over and over again with people that have great tax advice and some people who didn't have any at all

and the outcomes are quite frankly um shocking the variance and outcomes are quite frankly shocking from one person going bankrupt to the other person becoming a multi-billionaire and it comes down to some of it comes down to their tax strategy and how they thought about tax and have you know being around a lot of people now that are Masters in tax it was like yeah describe it as someone pulled back a curtain that I never knew was there and all these people were doing magic behind this curtain and no one ever told me that curtain

existed and it's called tax we don't all pay the same tax because we're not supposed to talk about it again not talking about it is rich people trying to keep poor people down yeah because rich people talk about their taxes all the time brightest woman in my entire professional universe is a woman named Lucy Lee who is my tax Yoda who works at a big Law Firm that I pay 1,800 bucks an hour or two to figure out the smartest when I set up a company I talk to my tax person when I'm about to

get a big payment from my podcast Distribution Company I talk to my tax person first this is it is everything but the key when you're young is to become an owner not an earner you're an earner you want to bust a move out of earning and develop an army of capital that goes out and kills for you at Night 500 bucks is a lot of money when you're 21 500 bucks when you're 21 is 10,000 when you're my age right and it's going to go really fast so just start and then once you become a

super owner you have 10,000 50,000 100,000 a million dollars in assets then then you can become a super tax avoider that sounded awful that sounded awful that sounded awful sitting here with your bucket of sand oh my God a bunch of mil that's right talking about this is how we [ __ ] the middle class St this is how we really screw over the little guy what is your Capital allocation strategy how do you invest your money um this is you know this is the thing people want to know most about you I keep it

as painfully simple as I possibly can so literally my entire net worth is cash a house and index funds and some shares of Marquel while I'm on the bo directors and that's it there's nothing else my entire I can summarize everything so easily and so cleanly and truly that's it and it's not even like I have 20 bank accounts I I have one bank account one brokerage account like in a house and that's it so simple why why index funds you're the reason I your Capital allocation strategy is almost identical to mine I want to

talk about the house thing as well but um after reading your book I stopped trying to pick stocks and I invested all of my available Capital into index funds outside of investing it in starting companies so I'm a shareholder in I don't know 50 60 70 companies I all my other available capital is invested in index funds and then I have a very long-standing large position in ethereum which I've held for like six years or something yeah which has done me very well yeah that is it and the ethereum investment is also based on the

fact that I run a software business that is in blockchain and I could see that developers are building on top of ethereum more than any other blockchain so that Insight was really beneficial to me and six years so even with the big fall of the last two years you're still up a lot yeah I I think your book taught me that successful investing is when you lose the password to your investment account yes that's exactly it I don't actually think you said that in there but that's like when I lose the password to my investment

account I'm so proud of myself because it means I haven't checked it in forever and so it was funny cuz you were coming today I thought oh yeah well I have all this money in these index funds I'll check it and I thought [ __ ] I don't know the password I good that's why you're going to do okay the reason I do this what's important is that I am not one of the people who says nobody can beat the market so therefore use index funds that's not what I believe I think there I think

it's extremely hard to beat the market and very few people will do it but I think there are really smart people who can do it and people who I know who I could invest with the reason I don't is not because I don't believe it can be done it's because the variable that I want to maximize for in my investments is endurance if I can just earn average returns for an above average period of time it's going to lead to amount of success that will literally put you in the top 5% of investors my parents

are a great example of this my parents are smart people but they really they have no Financial background and they have like minimal financial interest I would say and but they have dollar cost average into index funds for going on 40 years now and literally if you look at their returns they've never sold anything ever and literally if you look at the returns they'd probably be in the top 3% of professional investors what is for anyone that doesn't know what is dollar cost averaging and what is an index fund dollar cost averaging means you buy

the same dollar amount of Investments every single month come hell high water doesn't matter what the stock market's doing recession boom bust you say I'm going to put $100 or whatever it is in the stock market on the first of every month now most people who like have a 401k at work are doing this whether they know it or not they have $100 or whatever removed from every paycheck and it goes into the funds that they own and they don't have to do anything whether you know it or not you're actually doing it the contrast

to that would say I'm going to buy and sell based off of how I feel in the stock market I wake up I watch CNBC I decided to sell and I'm going to put it back in when I feel better about the market it's the contrast to that an index fund is just a single fund that owns hundreds or thousands of stocks within it and if it's diverse enough if it's big enough really what you're doing is you're owning a slice of the global economy which is how I think about it it's thousands of individual

stocks in there Tesla Apple whatever it would be but really what you're doing is you're owning a slice of capitalism if I was your son and I said Dad prove to me that that's a better long-term wealth creation strategy than buying crypto or buying companies that I use or like how would you explain that to your to your kid your ability to do well over the next one year or five years is going to have no role whatsoever on your lifetime ability to generate wealth all that's going to matter is not what are the best

returns you can earn all that matters are is what are the returns that you can sustain for the longest period of time all that matters is your endurance it doesn't matter if you can double your money this year or even double your money again the next year all that matters is can you stick and keep it going for 50 years that's where compounding comes from prove it all because the formula for compounding is returns to the power of time that's not quite it but like more or less that's it so in that equation if you

understand the math all of the heavy lifting comes from the exponent give me a case study where someone has followed that strategy and done well okay here's one way to explain it that I use in the book 99% of Warren buffets net worth was accumulated after his 60th birthday after he turned 60 years old 99% of his wealth Jesus has been accumulated after that period because the longer you hold that four the crazier the numbers get when he was 60 I think he was worth about $3 billion lot of money he's a multi-billionaire but now

that he's 90 he's worth over hundred billion and he's given like a 100 billion away to charity so if he didn't do that he'd be worth he'd go from 3 billion to 200 billion since he's been 60 cuz the numbers just get crazier at that point he's worth 100 billion so if his if his Market if his net worth goes up 10% in one year he makes1 billion which is three times that he was worth when he was 60 so that's when you look at somebody like Buffett is he a great investor is he a

great stock picker of course but the real secret to his success is that he's been a good investor for 80 years and if he had retired at age 60 or at age 50 nobody would have ever heard of him he would have been like one of the other multi-billionaires who lives in Florida and plays golf and like you've never heard of him the reason he use a household name is because he's been doing this non-stop since he's since he's been 11 years old and he's never stopped it's just the endurance that's made him so wealthy

not necessarily the annual returns patience it's a difficult thing it also reminds me of the story that you talk about in the introduction of your book about the janitor Ronald James Reed yeah who when he died in 2014 age 92 had a net worth of over 8 million and he was a janitor how did he do that he took what very little money he could save from his job as a janitor mopping floors at the gas station he put it in stocks and he left it alone for 70 years and that's it that's all you

need that's all you need to do if you have endurance in your investing and you can keep it going for years or decades you don't need to be a genius stock picker and not only do you not need to do it if you have endurance you're going to beat literally 97 or 99% of the genius stock Pickers and what's so interesting about it is like picking the right stocks is hard it's supposed to be hard like there's no world in which everybody who tries to beat the market is going to do it of course it's

hard just like being an NBA player is hard and but having endurance is like largely in your control it's so much easier to just be patient than it is to pick the right stocks every single day now I think some people nature nurture some people like probably Ronald Reed and my parents just understand it naturally it's not hard for them to be patient but do like there are professional investors who work 80 hours a week for 30 years to try to beat the market and they can't do it not only some that that explains like

most of them and even the ones who can do it are maybe going to beat the market by half a percent per year one% per year but if you can have endurance that is that's a bigger benefit than you can have by even being like a very successful stock picker like somebody who outperforms the market by one percentage Point per year and they can do that for 10 years that's amazing that's like Mount Rushmore investor but somebody who earns average returns and doesn't for 20 years is going to have way more money you do it

for 30 years you're going to be Filthy Rich You' be like Ronald Reed you can be a janitor who leaves eight million to charity when you die is buying a house a good or bad financial decision my brother who works in my company and he's the one that introduced me to your book many many years ago said to me something along the lines of Steve don't buy houses to make money because you have the ability to play a different set of games that very few people can play yeah and what I mean by that is

he kind of explained it to me go listen everyone can buy a house so returns there aren't going to be huge go find a game that like only you can play you'll get bigger returns if you're buying a house because you think it's going to be a good Financial investment stop like even if it turns out in hindsight that it was it doesn't matter I think these are just purely lifestyle decisions and I think so many people get screwed up when they're in a spot in their life where they should be renting because they need

to be mobile they need to move around to a new job new career new school whatever it is but they end up buying because they think they're going to make money doing it and that's like that's the problem so I own a house and if I ended up losing money on it I I I don't think I'd care that that's not why I'm owning it I'm owning it just because I want the stability for my family people people buy houses because they think that they're making loads of money from because there have been periods in

time in which people have made loads of money historically like that's the anomaly historically in the US and the UK housing prices adjusted for inflation go nowhere it's just been the last 20 or 30 years that there's this very brief window of time that owning a house was a great investment Robert Schiller won the Nobel Prize about a decade ago for is work in showing that over the last 150 years in the United States adjusted for inflation most home prices have been flat as a pancake it's just the last 20 years that have inflated people's

expectations of what a house can do statistically there's going to be at least one person listening to this that has made an offer as we speak for a house under the assumption that it's going to help them stack wealth if they were purely doing it for those reasons what would you tell them do instead if that's purely the reason run for run for your life don't do it particularly I mean it it used to be and maybe it still is like this in many cities in America in the UK but it used to be that

rentals were almost without exception shitty houses there were no good rentals a big change at least in America in the last 20 years is that most big cities have tons and tons of luxury apartments to live in and that are great places to live and they're in the city centers and they got beautiful granite countertops and they're great places to live don't fall for the idea that you can't live well if you're renting I think that's that's that's the problem and realize that if you're doing it for financial reasons you're probably about to borrow a

shitload of money for an investment that historically has been a very bad investment like if you put it in those terms like what are we doing here man you're going to borrow hundreds of thousands of dollars for an investment that historically has been a loss that's what you're doing here does you feel good about that that's what I'd say to that person got speed I I would love to be in the room somewhere where that person has just looked at their partner after persuading them to make that offer because it was going to make them

Rich sorry guys so to make sure I I and everyone listening understands what what the blockchain is it's this public can think of it as this database in the sky and the database in the sky is checked by everybody who has their computer on and is interacting with the dat datase in the sky so you no longer need a government or a bank checking the transactions and the and the contracts in the database in the sky because now all of our computers that are on interacting with it are in the background checking that if I

send you one Bitcoin if I do something on this database in the sky it is um in accordance with the history of the database and um it is in line with that database yeah what and to to make it less complicated it just makes it a source of Truth okay in a world where we don't even know who is who online who owes each other what any of these things we now have source of truth that everybody can agree on and everyone can see and everybody can see and you don't need to trust anybody and

so that as a technology solves many things problems that we don't even know we've got because they're so part of how we exist so the technology is not about money the technology is about truth and exchanging value and creating value in a digital age now what is interesting and Powerful about this technology is we've seen Technologies similar before the internet we've seen Broadband we've seen these big global infrastructure things most of those the internet was a public service good Broadband was all built private sector we didn't get to make money out of these things really

Amazon made the money or or whoever it was building the Broadband they all went bust as well what we've got here is this very clever thing that everybody in this Block Chain gets rewarded for the role that they play in maintaining the blockchain in maintaining the blockchain and because these things are scarce and let's say Bitcoin being the most classic example there's only 21 million that will ever exist you've created this scarce asset that is a reward system so the people who mine the Bitcoin they use the electricity to solve the algorithm to get the

Bitcoins to make sure there's only 21 million well they get rewarded the people who verify the chain get remed and then we can buy the asset which is actually us investing in the future use cases of this thing are people going to use it for storing wealth or building stuff so now you get this Global infrastructure layer of which people can invest now let's go back to the example of ai ai 99 % of people listening to this will not be able to invest in it apart from buying some of those big public companies because

they're not accredited investors they're not allowed they don't get to see it an Insider all of this stuff this is the inverse it is fractional so a Bitcoin you don't have to buy one at 60 whatever thousand it is today you can buy fraction so remember we talked about property and the guys who own the big highend property make all the money none of us can buy the $50 million apartment in Manhattan and then do it up and flip it for 250 million now blockchain we can all put 10% of our paycheck in it do

you think people should yeah and more but the point being is this is the only globally homogeneous asset on Earth it's the same in Nigeria as it is in Brazil as it is in London as it is in Silicon Valley as it is in India as it is in Pap Guinea and everybody is on an equal footing you can put the same percentage of your worth in it okay that is mind-blowing and it bypasses the banking system The Brokerage system and all the other incumbent things that get in the way of a Nigerian buying an

International Investment so we've got a playing field that's leveled in the fastest growing technology of all time in the fastest of pretesting asset in price terms of all time in the shortest period of time that is globally available to anybody and then you realize holy [ __ ] okay this is important now why that's important is because having more investors in it means the it becomes more valuable which means you're more likely to secure it people want to join the network to earn some of these tokens to secure it the more use cases get built

upon it because people are making money and it bootstraps it's behavioral economics it's an incentive based system to bootstrap the most ridiculous startup idea of all time which is I'm going to entirely disrupt money and create a new internet I mean that's laughably stupid and that's what's happening one of the I run a company called um third which is a web three infrastructure business we we've raised quite a lot of money for the company about $30 million now and we have a big team and it's interesting for me to observe the use cases because people

come to third web to build on the blockchain and one of the really interesting use cases we've seen over the last I'd say 12 months that's really exploded is is gaming people building uh web 3 blockchainbased games because if you think about games like FIFA which is a huge game obviously the UK where we're big soccer fans or other games like you know um RuneScape back in the day where you have Assets in the game in FIFA you have a messy card in RuneScape you might have a sword the thing that the blockchain now enables

us to do is to take those assets from the game and actually trade them outside the game so I can if the if the sword was on the ethereum blockchain even though I'm not inside the game I can trade that sword on the ethereum blockchain and so one of the most exceptional use cases we've seen at third web is people building AI games sorry people building web 3 games because these assets are now valuable it's great for the game developer they've now got this brand new economy for their for their company and it's great for

the people that own those assets in the game because they've now those assets are now more valuable because more people can access them and if if I own ethereum yeah if I own an ethereum token yeah which I Do by the way I've been stacking it and refusing to sell um but how do I benefit from the fact that games are now being built in ethereum and it's really simple if we'd have all been given shares in Facebook when it started we'd have all been hilariously rich but we didn't the VC's got it and then

it went to the public market and then you have to have a brokerage account you have to be approved right what this is happening you buy an ethereum token today if ethereum ends up becoming bigger and more uses your token value goes up it's as simple as that so you get to participate in an entire technological Revolution really simply from your mobile phone and you don't need anybody to approve it or do anything yes there's regulation stuff but simple stuff like that it's pretty straightforward for almost everybody in the world so therefore we talked about

how do you invest in your disruption and the future of technology okay here's one where you can really do it and it's easy to do a couple of questions here then so you said it's easy to do yeah let's talk practicalities how do does one do it I can do it on my phone I have to call someone how do I invest in crypto you just open a crypto account yeah um with one of the big crypto provid coinbase Kraken crypto.com who are in a Gemini what about this though my bank my digital bank is

offering me to buy crypto on there should I do that yes you can and you could do it bya PayPal starts somewhere I'm not going to say no but you will go down the journey that everybody goes down which is the easiest on ramp is the best revolute whatever I don't care just do it get a feel for what it's like to own an asset that goes up and down a lot particularly down when it goes down it makes you feel terrible and you got to learn about how to deal with it and then because

it goes up over time if you don't do anything and you've chosen a good quality asset that's provable as a as an asset in itself it'll probably go up over time in fact highly likely to go up a lot and then you'll start thinking do you remember Ral saying that the bank owns the stuff and I don't own it and then you might say oh but the magic here is unlike the bank where I can't take more than 10 grand out I can put it all on my little Ledger device because what's a ledger device

a ledger device is it's actually it's a company provides it but what it is because this is just an address on a blockchain and think of it is like your mailbox you can send stuff to it but you can't actually take it out like your email somebody can't read all your emails but they can send you emails well that that part that's private that secure Pass Key essentially well you keep that to yourself and it's stored on a device and there's a complicated way of doing it and you'll have to go through that which is

you have to have this seed phrase that does it this technology will change quite soon you know fingerprints face prints and a bunch of other stuff but basically a little USB stick will secure that you can go and put in the safe or go and take it to your Nan's house or whatever it is can secure your money that it's only yours and nobody can take it out I have mine on a ledger so I have my ethereum on a small it's kind of like a small USB stick and then that USB stick is protected

by like 24 words or whatever it is that's right and those words are on pieces of paper in different countries at the moment that's right um and it means that no matter what happens no matter where I am in the world no matter who comes for me I can always retrieve the x th000 ethereum that I have on this Ledger device yeah um unlike a bank where my my account could get Frozen by the government or they could empty my bank they could freeze my bank I can I will always have that value and also

you know there's a famous example of the conversation of gold in the United States and it's been done in many countries in the past the good thing about this magic internet money is you have to physically cross borders with it yeah yeah think of all the Jewish people who had to take money and diamonds and gold out of Nazi Germany and out of Europe it was hard to do here you don't have to do anything you just need to remember a seed phrase a seed phrase being basically a string of words yeah yeah do you

know for people that are in that paycheck to paycheck cycle which I was in for many many years of my life where I'd get paid for my call center I'd go and spend the money I'd pretty much spend all the money within the first couple of days of getting the paycheck and I was just waiting the next three weeks for the next paycheck what advice would you give them about getting out of that cycle cuz it because you almost feel imprisoned by that cycle if you're in absolutely well before I give the advice I want

to explain to that person what's happening because you are the Prime customer for our economic system Banks love you because they can sell you payday loans they can sell you credit cards they can sell you lines of credit and they can keep you in debt for the rest of your life which means you keep making the bank Rich corporations love you because you're not going to think twice with when we show you this nice bag when we show you this nice vacation you're going to want this stuff and so we love selling you this stuff

the government loves you because you're going to pay the highest taxes employees pay the highest taxes and so when you're in that situation you are making everybody else Rich at your expense and so if you want to break out of this the first thing is you got to understand you need to make yourself rich before you make everybody else Rich because when you're spending all your money you are putting your money into their pockets and you have to stop that you got to keep that money for yourself you're in a boat think of it this

way you're in a boat and this boat has water just flowing in and you are sinking and you got to start by sealing the holes and that means you got to stop the spending so if you are in what I call the financial danger zone which is you don't have $2,000 saved up for an emergency and you have credit card debt if you are in that situation you are in the financial danger zone and you have to make drastic changes that means right now no more eating at restaurants no more vacations no more doing anything

that doesn't put money in your pocket and no more Netflix right and the reason why I say this isn't because you're going to save $15 a month it's so you can save two hours of your time a day the average American is watching more than 2 hours of Television a day and if you don't have $2,000 saved up if you have credit card debt you cannot afford those 2 hours a day being wasted on TV and that means right now you have to go out and start using the time to learn start using the time

to work and start using the time to make some extra dollar so what do you do start selling stuff stop spending money selling stuff you own selling stuff you own so if you have a TV that you're not using sell it you have a car that you can't afford sell it if you're living in a house that you can't afford sell it downgrade move smaller and then work to earn more money I've got to say the couple of things that I came to mind is you were saying that and funnily enough I put myself in

the shoes of 18-year-old Steven Bartlett when I was in that small apartment with three or four immigrants in Mosside rush home and I was you know my rent was nothing my rent was a 1,000 150 a month which I could not afford and I could not pay and I was intermittently working between call center jobs and whatever money I got I spent and part of the reason I spent it just pre is because like many people watching especially men who sometimes feel the need because of the way Society is I was trying to get laid

at the same time and it's hard yeah when you're a young man and I say young men in particular because the stats do support the fact that there is an expectation that men pay um when you're a young man it's particularly difficult to to do all of these things to cut back and also get laid and what am I going to do defer getting laid for 10 years when I say laid I'm really saying meeting someone and falling in love and having a having a life so what do I if I if I'm living in

a shoe box which I was I can't bring anyone back there I can't take anyone for dinner I can't take anyone to the movies what do I do and this is why every Indian parents tell their kids to become a doctor so their son can get married it's the same concept but here's the thing you have to pick your hard either life's going to be hard now or it's going to be hard for the rest of your life and you have to pick what's more important to you right now and you know if we talk

about balance if you want to have a balance of everything where you want to find a girl and you want to make money and you want to stay healthy you are dividing your attention everywhere not saying it's impossible but very few people can actually do everything all at once and if your number one goal is to become wealthy if your number one goal is to turn your finances around you have to get serious about it because where you put your attention is where you get the results and so if you want to be in a

better financial situation you were going to have to make sacrifices and it's difficult I can't come here and tell you it's going to be easy yeah because that's going to be me lying to you I got to be honest I did make a sacrifice and for me the sacrifice was I started a business and frankly that meant that I didn't have time to be going out getting laid or meeting people or socializing but it's it my story arc ends with it going well and then the Romantic situation taking care of itself many years later once

it had gone well because I was so focused on myself and it's funny there is a bit of a paradox to life that the more you actually Focus inward the more you become a magnet yeah um and the more I focused outward the more I pursued and chased and sort of neglected myself the the more harder it was to get people interested in me yeah and you know I I also want to say that when I talk about Building Wealth I'm not talking about coming money hungry just money greedy this is evil person that just

cares about money that's not what I'm talking about because I want you to live a holistic life because money is just one part of your life but the second part to that is I'm not telling you to never enjoy life I'm telling you to make a sacrifice for a period of your life that way you can enjoy the rest of your life and never have to worry about money again it's hard for us to naturally see life for Seasons especially when we're looking forward when we're looking back it's very easy to say oh that was

that season like I can sit here now and say all that 20 to 25 was that sacrifice everything in my life to make myself something season and then 25 to 30 was like building and learning and then I I now you know can can think of it's easier actually now to think forward in Seasons now that I've been through some Seasons but for someone that's hasn't been through seasons in life it's hard to think about life in those terms I now think of my life in these fiveyear Seasons mhm and that helps me to say

to you even have conversation with my partner where I go this is the season I'm in um and it will last probably roughly this this long and I'm going to sacrifice these things and prioritize these things in this season mhm but um it's hard for people to understand this idea it's difficult and that sacrifice is difficult especially during a time where everybody's showing off everything on Instagram you look at your friends who have a crappy job but they're driving around in nicer cars going on better vacations going to the nicer restaurants and you're thinking what

did I do wrong and then especially if you're a guy you have a girlfriend you have a wife she's going to say how come they keep get to go can they keep getting to go to Cancun they keep going to these nice restaurants how come you can't take me to these nice places and now you feel like you're doing something wrong because where is this discrepancy the reason why I call my show the minority mindset is because I'm a big advocate of not doing what the majority of people do the first time I made a

million dollars in a year I was in my 20s I was was driving a car worth $500 it didn't have a bumper on it it was not pretty my wife sat in that car with me and my employees drove better cars than I did so you know uh you got to be confident and you got to work for something bigger and you want a partner that's going to understand that that's my belief which is not the easy thing it's interesting because confidence is such a internal thing and I just feel like I just probably just

didn't have it then cuz I I think I was scared for someone to know that I was broke I was so scared to know for someone to know that I was broke that I just didn't entertain romantic relationships and that is the reason why so many people will go into debt to buy vacations to buy things to buy stuff to look rich and ironically that's the thing that keeps so many people poor for the rest of their life is because they're scared to look broke and now when you try to look rich that's the thing

that's actually keeping you broke there's another element to this which is my life was pretty miserable so when you have a relatively miserable life when you don't have many nice things because you're working in a call center as I was until 11:00 at night time doing overtime every overtime hour I could get then because you're all so lonely you're going home alone walking home cuz you can't afford the bus anything that gives you a little dopamine hit gambling this is why all the gambling shops are in the areas that struggle the worst financially because those

I mean a lot of people say because those people are looking for that you know that big payday that dopamine hit from a Payday um my TV in my tiny tiny little bedsit room was like half the size of the wall I was making Reckless spending decisions because I think it gave me some kind of hit that I I was missing in my life it gave me like a dopamine Rush that was and there wasn't many things giving me a dopamine hit at that point in my life and see here's the thing during that time

you are making emotional decisions yes as many people are and it's very difficult to speak logic to emotion but this is where now you have to be able to understand the difference because if you're listening to this and you're in that situation you have to understand that if you want to continue being able to that lifestyle you're going to have to make some changes today otherwise you're going to be stuck in this lifestyle for the rest of your life and it's only going to get more difficult and that's the thing is if you want to

become wealthy the first part is just your own mindset it's your own discipline and until tell you can conquer that I can tell you everything about investing I can tell you different ETFs and index funds to invest in I can tell you different investment institutions out there I can tell you which stock brokerages to use I can tell you just invest $ 15 % of your income into this for the next 10 20 30 years and you're going to become wealthy but until you can get over that mindset you're never going to become wealthy because

then what happens in that situation is when you're in that state of I just want to look rich I just want to have that dopamine in I just want to have some nice things because I deserve it I work hard you know what happens next you the one that gets caught up in all the get-rich quick schemes because someone's going to say look put $1,000 into this you'll have 1010 $1,000 in the next 3 months or I'm going to show you you can live the laptop lifestyle you can work 5 hours a week make $10,000

a month $10,000 a week you're never going to have to worry about money again just buy this program and now you're a prime candidate because now you were driven by this emotion of I want that I can't imagine if I had an extra $10,000 a month and I don't even have to work for it because you can't see past it you're all you're doing is being sold by emotion it's you you're the one that's going to get caught up in the get-rich quick schemes you're the one that's going to make the bank Rich because you're

going to get stay stuck in debt corporations are going to love you because they can keep selling you the nicest the newest stuff because you want to look rich you want to show it off to your friends you want to show it off to the girls and you get stuck in that cycle isn't this cool every single conversation I have here on the D of CEO at the very end of it you'll know I asked the guest to leave a question in the Diary of a CEO and what we've done is we've turned every single

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