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i'm gonna wait for the green sign before i point okay boom good okay we had some technical difficulties so let's try it again okay so anyway brother welcome thank you for coming here thanks thanks so what we were saying before we actually said this already but let's say it again because the people didn't hear it you were one of the pioneers of standup comedy in brazil yeah yeah it was uh i started with like four or five guys we started doing like 16 17 years ago and uh nobody knew about stand up it was something

that i found out when i came here to live and play basketball i had a scholarship to play basketball and i watched jim gaffingham oh wow and brian regan ah i know those guys and i thought it was so weird because those guys were like that's i was questioning is his does he call is his name brian rico does he is actually him because we used to have characters and impersonators so it was uh kind of weird but at the same time it was interesting because i'm not a guy who does characters and i do

observations and i write i was a journalist i'm a half degree in journalism so it was interesting for me to see those guys doing comedy and i thought we could do the same in my country it's so crazy that it took that long for it to get to brazil yeah you would think that because everything else i mean you guys have movies and you know uh i mean city of god you have action movies you have always you have so much that's so similar the fact that stand-up comedy made it there is so unusual it

took uh it took a long time and it was i don't know why but the image of a comedian speaking like with a blazer or a like a suit or something was just very scientific yeah it was very american you know and those jokes didn't actually connect that much with us like oh i have those pockets and it was something that we have bigger problems than oh i just have a pocket where am i gonna put my pen i was like it was it was something that i could we couldn't connect that much but when

we when we saw there was another people doing other stuff and there was like this huge role that we could actually explore that was when it became interesting for us so comedy in brazil there would basically be like uh like say if i was a brazilian comedian i would come up with a fake name if you would and i would do a character a wig bro a wig i'll wear a certain outfit outfit like uh very over the top screaming and uh and that still still exists in brazil this is like a popular word of

the people stand up i'm not saying that it's for everyone now i have my netflix special it's becoming huge because uh we have some other options right now with internet everything changed the game changed completely so we have uh what is good has his own space right now it's not only what the tv wants you to watch it so the game changed a little for for all of us so how did you start out did you start out by going to music clubs or it was i actually started in a a bdsm club state of

massachusetts really i remember that there was like pictures of [ __ ] in the bathroom and and like vaginas like huge vaginas and we had that show and it was it wasn't good but it was an experience for all of us to go on stage and try to to to show them our opinions and our jokes and some irony and sarcasm which was something that people wasn't watching but then it becomes it becomes something huge and we got chances to go to tv and everything else but at first it was difficult because people could not

understand is he a character is he playing a part right so that's why i had and i still have a lot of problems with the law because like i did a rape joke which i'm not proud of i'm saying it's not something oh i'm so over the over the line and but uh he was like does he does this guy wants people to be raped what is what is he thinking what is because all those jokes was taken out of context and put it on newspapers and kind of killed uh he kind of killed the

uh my desire to do comedy over that as well really yeah it was it was difficult man because it was like journalists uh uh journalists in the audience waiting for me to say some [ __ ] to put out of context and then guide like [ __ ] like billions of clicks on their websites right because of course joke i did yeah that's how we the controversy was starting over there and i don't know if it's the same thing here so they knew that this was a new thing yeah they and then so they would

come to see it and then were they criticizing it before this he was he was huge everybody loved it at first but when we when when man when we started to have money and uh tv shows and we kind of uh ran away out of the underground i was doing shows at midnight like packing at three 300 seat theater at midnight in brazil that was my thing underground in sao paulo in the middle of nowhere but then people are this guy's talented let me give him a chance so they put me on tv and out

of nowhere i was on tv doing the same thing wow so the the country was not that prepared for what i was doing at the time what kind of laws do you have in brazil in terms of like the language you're allowed to use on television uh you know the i'm not saying there's like a government censorship about what you can say what you cannot say but uh sponsors and and even tv stations and the media is very sensitive about everything because it's still a poor country it's still brazil's still a third world country so

we are we are like we have a lot of people that don't understand the oh this is comedy what what what's what's comedy so right it was my duty to explain a little bit what was stand up and kind of open a road for all of us that's how i felt so you and you said three others like three or four guys yeah so who are these other guys uh they're still doing comedy yeah yeah they're still doing they're still huge what are their names uh marcelo mansfield danilo gencili or scarfilio there was a small

group of guys that we started doing brazilian portuguese is such a beautiful language you think that i love it i love it it's like a song it's like it's singing well i've been doing jiu jitsu for 23 years so it's like to me that sound is like it's such a cool sound what do what does brazilians say in in jujitsu is there a word or something that they're still repeating that you know well i mean you know poha sometimes you say it like damn yeah but it's come it's coming but so that's funny because like

that's like the word [ __ ] yeah like [ __ ] could be like you could look at something go [ __ ] yeah yeah that's good in portuguese okay but [ __ ] can also be bad yeah you know like well [ __ ] too like [ __ ] could be good or [ __ ] could be bad like you could stub your toe and go [ __ ] or you could you could see a girl with a beautiful body and go [ __ ] yeah yeah but boy is the same thing that's so

crazy but it's calm it's good it's like a big bird but then you're getting a choke poor yeah yeah i got it i got it it's the same exact this is exactly the same thing that's so funny man language is difficult man yeah for me to speak in english well i was i wasn't a you know i was thinking about it uh that black people has to stop using the n warning rap songs because it becomes a trap for media karaoke i was singing karaoke at the end of the song this guy came up to

me was like don't drop the n-word man but it wasn't the song so what should i do not sing the word right so that the language is something that is i'm still like learning there's it's difficult man well it's very tricky i mean it's obviously in america there's this sort of acknowledgement that black people were slaves for so long they are allowed to do more things and in particular i gotta use that word okay there's no other word like in terms of uh like uh like a bad word about an ethnicity no that people use

for themselves like a puerto rican person would never call himself a [ __ ] in like a good like what's up [ __ ] like to another puerto rican the n word is a very unique word like there's no word really so you cannot say in any situation i can say it if i'm explaining it like this guy called that guy a [ __ ] i could say that but even saying that people some people wouldn't do that i'm not i would never call someone that okay but i will use it if i if i'm

quoting someone or if i'm explaining the word itself because to run away from the joke is even is even harder because you're acknowledging that that's a forbidden word so yeah well chris rock had one of the greatest bits of all time that there are black people and there are [ __ ] this was his joke but even for me to say that that was a joke and to say it that way is dangerous and it's one of the greatest comedy routines in the history of stand-up that's crazy yeah but a white person could never quote

that joke you can't do the joke like if you tried to do the joke to your friend like you'd have like come here you're gonna be look around chris rock is so funny let me tell you the bit you'd have to be really careful there's no way you could do the whole joke on a podcast no it's just you say the word the n-word too many times people get mad at you that's crazy man you know racism is crazy the fact that there's still racism that's what's crazy the word is just sort of uh like

a it's em it's emblematic it's it's like there's a there's a thing there that connects it to the feeling of racism even if you're not using it in a racist context yes so for me i'm i'm a foreigner so i was never so aware of races like i am now living in this country yeah brazil's no racism is very mild very different that is racism i cannot say that there is not racism of course there is but here it's like uh when there's election they even say how the white voted and how the black voted

yeah that's kind of weird because for me that's racism you're you're like dividing people in races and it's clear on tv and sometimes you don't even stop thinking about it it's like it's part of the the whole thing well it's because the black community doesn't feel like they're represented and they felt like they were represented finally when obama became president because finally we had a black president but other than that you know there's a real distinction like with obama it was like almost universal he was going to get air quotes the black vote you know

but with trump i mean it's or with anybody else it's it's very tricky it's very it's a very different thing they want to make sure that their community is being represented and that their needs are being represented i completely understand and i agree that there's some acknowledgment to make about the history but at the same time acknowledging uh may divide it kind of divides you a little bit as well yes it does and it's also used as a weapon by some people that you know are not they're not being honest they're just they're using it

as a tool to divide people or to force their agenda through or you know again the real problem is not the words the real problem is not the real problem is actual real racism that's the real problem it still exists it exists less than it did 100 years ago and far less than it did 200 years ago and 100 years from now it'll probably be almost non-existent but it's a real problem people are tribal they differentiate by town people differentiate by what part of the country you're from they certainly differentiate by nation and they differentiate

by the origin of your ancestors it's it's really stupid is what it is you know unless you're just celebrating the differences and how interesting you know there's different food and different music and different culture and literature but the you know actual real racism the fact that it still exists in 2000 it is it is crazy i got a uh and that is a racism brazil as well i'm not saying that there's not racist it seemed more mild than i was there because interracial relationships are much more common if you see like a a black guy

with a white woman it's not it's nobody's gonna say [ __ ] it's normal it's not something that people are like pointing or something right i don't think so but there's parts of this country where it's it's a real problem there's parts of this country where there's real racism yeah and a black man with a white woman is in danger you know they have to be careful they're going to the wrong bar they have to be careful if they're going to the wrong place it's [ __ ] crazy that's crazy yeah it is crazy there

is some kind of a uh it's not uh it's not 100 of the time that i feel comfortable here yeah there's a lot of situations that i have i feel that i can say the wrong thing because i don't understand because you don't understand the language when did you learn english i played basketball here oh so you learned to yeah in order to play he was yeah i i how old were you at the time i was it was 1999 i was 23 at the time i'm 42. so uh it was 1999 i played basketball

here and i learned english and that's when i got a the first time i saw stand up it was like [ __ ] that's that's so easy wow that was 1999. so when you brought it over to brazil when you brought over stand up did you guys get together and say hey let's try to do this over here where can we do it uh i had three friends that knew about it it's a kind of a cult a secret cult of people who knew about standup and uh we were like let's try it but the

only the only image that we have was seinfeld at the end of every every episode that was the that was the thing for us that's the only reference i still remember that the first video they were like talking about what we were doing we were like oh so this is stand-up now do you did you ever see every episode of sci-fi at the end he does like a little routine oh this is what they're gonna do on the theater right now so that's when we wanted to do it and uh and it took some time

because we started in 2002 2003 and youtube just came on 2005. but when youtube came there was like a lot of people posting stand up and little like 30 minutes comedy center specials and then we could see and that and it was difficult at first because of uh everything that i was writing i could see people doing on tv my jokes it was hard for me to explain to people okay this is my joke like someone stole your jokes yeah it was not even like stealing because they didn't know it's just joke right right it's

just a joke how can i explain to people okay this is what i wrote i'm not gonna do jokes that other people wrote right uh this is it's mine yeah people thought i was a little crazy oh that's funny wow because uh you know i don't know if you have these anecdotes that everybody's saved you have here in america yeah okay we have stand-up where people write their own stuff and we have anecdotes sure and that's what we have like little books with antidotes so when i say a joke people think that i was doing

from those books yeah there's stand-up comedy and then there's jokes like that people tell we call them street jokes street jokes okay yeah like two jews walk into a bar those jokes are so interesting because i don't know anybody who's ever written one of those jokes i do i don't but but if you think about it there's a good timing it's something that every time that i see like one of those a good joke a good street joke i was like [ __ ] i wanted to be [ __ ] i want me to create

that thing yeah but it's it's interesting because there's so many of them and no one knows anyone who wrote them there's there was one guy in brazil that was doing those street jokes and he created like 10 percent of what he did interesting but for him was like this is what i created in the 9 the 90 that i didn't create it's kind of in the same chunk when seinfeld airs in brazil i assume that it's translated to portuguese it's dubbed it's dubbed and when it's dubbed is it dubbed well does it make sense uh

nah no no no no no do the jokes translate stand up wise no no the series works now we got much better dubbing it got much better oh really but it's crazy we have subtitles as well like my netflix special has subtitles here in america so subtitles for english yes oh wow so you do it in portuguese yes have you do you do much stand up in english yeah i haven't done them here for for eight months like all the clubs and in the improv and the factory and and uh but here i do it

in english what i do on stage now is something that i wrote living here like 80 and 20 i translated for my act in portuguese wow and some of those jokes don't work when i translate and it's always a surprise yeah wow always a surprise because the culture's so different right it's like what people think is funny and what they find ironic but joe uh a joke is a joke man yeah if it has a time if i now i'm able to do at the same pace that i do in portuguese i feel comfortable doing

in english so i feel the same thing and it's easier for me because i actually write jokes i have some friends that just like have some crowd work and interact with the audience and there's a lot of physical comedy in it so to translate that to english is difficult yeah i write jokes yeah so if i translate in a right way if if people understand the context and people understand what i'm talking about like the pregnancy of my wife right and marriage and i don't know being single and everything or maybe that it can work

now when you what was it like the first time you did stand up in america the first time in english i actually have a clip on youtube that the left factory posted wow he was it was very surprising it was very surprising because some jokes that i didn't think was that funny worked and the ones that i was actually pretty sure they would work it didn't work and i got so frustrated and completely lost man i was like is this gonna be a huge role for me yeah and i have been doing this is what

i'm this is why i'm here to just stand up in english now what now stand up since it's been you know you said 16 years or so yeah 16 years in in brazil is it accepted now is it a normal part of the culture yeah have they had comedy clubs open up yet i have my comedy club yeah where is it it's in sao paulo it's called comedians it's a 300-seat place just like the improv wow it's a great place i have in brazil and there's enough local comedy fill it up yeah that's incredible yes

it does now i have like like on a saturday i have three packed shows 8 10 and midnight wow like um sao paulo's huge huge huge city there's like 15 million people here that's wow that's 15 million people live in sao paulo that's so cool but all in portuguese yeah there's no stand up in english in brazil because unfortunately that's not that many people that speaks english in brazil yeah i know they were trying to organize shows like jade was trying to get people to come to brazil do stand up and i was like good

luck with that that just seems like it doesn't seem like there's enough people jade opened for me in portuguese in brazil wow and she helped me a little bit at the beginning here uh opening some clubs and getting me some gigs she's a very good friend and uh and for her it was a little difficult in portuguese oh to translate english to portuguese it was difficult first because what you guys there's a culture that there's a stand-up culture here if you're this freaky and a little crazy and heapy that's something that does not translate to

another country right you have to actually write jokes yeah yeah yeah and uh and for her it was a little difficult because she she has this way of doing it like interacting and she's like and if you mess up a word in portuguese it's uh in english if you mess up a word in english it's kind of funny oh he's a foreigner right they accept you there's this likability but if you mess up our own portuguese you're a prick really yeah also you don't speak portuguese oh you just speak english it sounds bad you know

i see yeah that makes sense because america is such a melting pot there's so many different languages over here that someone well that's you know i read something the other day like if you see someone and they speak broken english uh don't make fun of them that means they speak two languages yes yes and you don't of course i mean most of us don't in portuguese is similar to spanish so people who speak portuguese speak spanish so i kind of speak three languages that's that's that's that's a lot well that helped fabricio verdum in mexico

because he's so fluent in spanish that you know when he was over there fighting you know they they were like holy [ __ ] this guy speaks perfect spanish he's from the same city that i am which is porto alegres here in the south ah so we kind of have some spanish uh in the city it's close to argentina oh i see okay it's kind of uh is our thing there okay cool so now when you were doing stand-up and you started to get in some trouble for for bits a lot of trouble a lot

of trouble how much trouble yeah a lot of money i spent a lot of money really yeah i lost a lot of sausages i lost a lot of lawsuits because of jokes really lawsuits yeah so like who was suing you uh the people who felt offended so people in the audience artists when i make fun of a celebrity they would sue you yeah they can they can sue you they can get money out of really politicians they can get no politicians yeah so who sued you you know i got this uh this lawsuit that really

uh put me in trouble it was because of a singer it was she was a singer and kind of almost killed my career he actually did that's why i'm here so no yeah i got a huge lawsuit and it looks dumb when you explain oh it's just a singer but it becomes all this talk about freedom of speech and what comedians can say and what they cannot say are you allowed to feel offended and now there's like law schools talks about this the lawsuit that i had law school discussions discussions because of things yeah because

i made fun it was a shitty joke that's the problem you know it's not because of the lawsuit i want to be sued by the good ones because i don't want to be known by a bad joke right right of course yeah it's just like i was saying this it's just like you meeting uh eddie murphy one of the greatest comedians ever and i think oh there's dr dolito you don't want that right you know this is the same thing with me that joke was a shitty joke and she was like pregnant on tv and

she was like doing a a story on tv and i was the host of this huge tv show like the daily show like the daily show meeting the view it was something like that and uh and in the middle of the thing she was she was there and my friend asked me oh she's pregnant and do you think she's still hot and i said she's so hot that i would [ __ ] her and her baby and uh but i was live it was like right on time everybody laughed and there was no problem but

next week it was this huge thing because she was like her husband was very influential and uh her husband was managing ronaldo which was one of the biggest soccer player ever so there was this whole thing the tv show lost sponsors and uh and they want to suspend me from the tv show because of a joke that i did she didn't tell they didn't tell me to apologize at first but they suspended me so i quit the show they didn't know so you just apologized and i decided not to apologize because i felt that after

like 10 years doing standard or 12 years doing stand-up it was important for me to like put my feet on the ground and say you know if we step back right now yeah what am i what am i gonna do in like uh two years this is important for all of us yeah it's important for comedy so so what did they what did they rule in the lawsuit like what was the ruling i have friend that her honor or yeah it was something like that she was like uh people can sue you the suing is

part of the democracy it's okay to sue you but to lose a lawsuit is that's the problem i lost like 150 000 dollars or but in brazil was 350 guys so right if you're a lawyer and you get ten thousand dollars a month you get ten thousand years a month so he's you don't translate money so i lost a lot of money but the thing is got me a huge headache and uh he was he was he was bad it was bad just from that one just for that one but you you had other lawsuits

yeah i had also because i did like a rape joke and uh i i got like this women movement like trying to break into my bar and break my the daughter of my comedy club and i was like that was uh but the discussion was more important than the problem itself i kind of it was is the discussion about freedom of speech and that was that was huge what is freedom of speech like in brazil is it the same i mean obviously we have the first amendment you have the first amendment do you have something

no we don't wow we don't have that they don't have that in canada we don't have that i had mike ward on in canada do you know his story yeah i know he's the guy who he made a joke about a sick boy that the boy was still alive no idea i thought it was and you know it was just a bad joke about this guy still being alive and can he get his money back because like because they donated money it's a [ __ ] up joke but it's supposed to be a [ __

] up joker he's doing it in a nightclub situation where people are drinking you say things that are inappropriate and that's the art form he got sued and he's still in the process of it right now there's another case in vancouver where these women were heckling uh they were yelling things out during the show and then the comedian went on stage and berated the women and then the women sued and won because they were lesbians and he made some lesbian jokes about them at their own expense and so then they took him to court and

they won and they won what they won some judgment where he had to pay them i wanna jimmy how much was it i want to say it was somewhere in the neighborhood of thirty thousand dollars thirty thousand dollars yeah i went and for this gentleman this comedian uh i think that was a lot of money i don't know forty two forty two thousand dollars yeah that's a lot of [ __ ] money for uh opening comedian i mean he wasn't a famous guy so you know that might be two years worth for him who knows

you know of course of course yeah lost a lot of money so canada is similar canada does not have freedom of speech the same way the united states does yeah so that that's why uh i feel when i do comedy here and i feel that people get uncomfortable about a joke or two that's when i get stressed it's like you have the freedom of saying those things yes like i have this joke that i say it's about the n word as well maybe i have to change my accountant a little but i have this joke

that i do is like when i arrived here uh someone said to me you know don't use the n word or people are gonna kick your ass but they never told me what the n word was so for the past six months i have been avoiding all wars with the leather and the other the gay guy came up to me and said can i [ __ ] your ass and i was like maybe and uh when i say this joke it's like i have to set up it's crazy because when i first did it was

like a [ __ ] thing everybody got uncomfortable yeah but now i set up as a misunderstanding because i'm a foreigner yes and now i'm free to do everything yes yes yeah so i kind of uh i found a way of doing it i found a way in yeah yeah so that's it's crazy and i watch you a lot and i see a lot of people here i saw the other guy this guy this guy did an interview with you and he did this show in a college and uh he did a joke and people

took him out of here yeah yeah that's crazy because you built the freedom to do that yes and now you're discussing the uh if you can or you cannot it's only in colleges though children today and i want to call them children they do not understand the danger in suppressing free speech and so they think that what they're doing is by suppressing free speech and changing the way people communicate what they're doing is making the world a better place they think they're they're signaling the virtue and making the world a better place at the same

time but it's just ignorance they just don't understand that you can't you you can't necessarily you can't control people and to think that by just getting upset and silencing someone and removing them from the stage that that ends the conversation it doesn't it reinforces their position it says okay look i was right about you [ __ ] snowflakes and you little babies like you you can't even understand when things are uncomfortable that it doesn't necessarily mean it's negative and that like you're like ex try to put yourself in someone's position see what he's saying and

in nemesis case it's actually kind of funny first of all he's a very open-minded guy very progressive he's he's not in any way a racist and his joke was that people say that being gay is a choice and he said i know it's not a choice because i have a friend who's black and gay and there's no way he would choose both of those things it was just him being funny it's a funny joke and they they were like cut get the [ __ ] off the stage like what come on man you don't think

that's funny that's crazy i mean and it's also coming from an indian man who i'm sure has experienced racism so the whole thing is it's very fascinating to see young kids who are growing up in this pc culture bubble and you know and sometimes people say on this podcast that we talk about it too much and maybe they're correct maybe sometimes it's annoying if you're listening to cubicle and you hear me talking too much about this but it's because it's an issue that's very dear to my heart because i i understand the dangers of not

being able to communicate freely and i also understand what happens when if you suppress free communication the people that you're suppressing they're going to get more and more angry and radical and it just makes their position they they feel more justified in their in perhaps even people who are racist could perhaps be more racist or people who are angry about gay people will become more angry about it if you suppress their ability to express themselves that's when borns those little movements neo-nazi movements little groups and little groups on the web in the deep web when

discussion it's like when you for when it's forbidden i think is you kind of forgive them the power that they didn't have i think so and i think this is something that we're really just getting to understand now you know i have i've had a few conversations about this recently with the head of twitter and with an independent journalist tim poole last week and i think what people are just started to kind of understand even though everyone's uncomfortable about this is we're still trying to figure this out social media is only 10 plus years old

this is an incredibly new experience for us and i don't think everybody knows exactly how to proceed and this idea that you could just ban people and then just ban people for life if they say something that makes people uncomfortable if they say an opinion you don't agree with ban them for life and we're we're experiencing that right now and uh we're trying to figure out what to do and how to how to fix this and how to mitigate it without endorsing people harassing people and endorsing people uh you know threatening people and giving out

their address and their phone number and things like those lines so it's it's a process that we're all going through right now it is it is a learning process for the the the whole country but the thing that a noise annoys me a little bit is that i i live in another country and i see how things are difficult and how much time i spend explaining people what i was doing and for you guys it's like i was having the same problems that lenny bruce was having like a long time ago yes and uh you

guys built that yeah to have that discussion it's like it is important because that's the way the the word uh evolved but at the same time it feels old it feels old because you understand the history of it yeah in america yeah it feels old because uh you already have that discussion a long time ago yeah are you gonna keep having this conversation when you think that you finally feel free to say whatever you want now there's people trying to hold you back it's crazy well it's not really effective see there's there's people that are

angry about it i mean there is on social media there's certainly people that are being effective with it but in stand-up comedy it's there's blowback and pushback but it's not very effective like for the top guys for guys like dave chappelle and you know bill burr it's it actually makes their stand up better because people are so tired of all this [ __ ] they're so tired of pc culture they're so tired of being told what they should and shouldn't think is funny and what is acceptable and not acceptable and you know there's a there's

a lot of weird [ __ ] going on right now did you ever have a problem with that oh yeah did someone ever leave your show because of a joke you did oh [ __ ] yeah what was the subject oh my god i don't even remember how many it have so many times it's happened so many times people just stood up yeah i mean people just get angry they get angry and you're allowed to you mean it's fine it's look everybody has their own sensibilities and the problem one of the problems with stand-up comedy

is if you go to a club to see music you know what kind of music you're going to go see you want to go see salsa they have a salsa club you wanna go see jazz you wanna go see rock and roll or you wanna go to a rap show you know what you're you're going to see but if you go to see comedy you could see [ __ ] barry manilow followed by guns and roses followed by run dmc i mean it's it's it's unless you're going to see a specific comedian like you're going

to see jim gaffigan you don't necessarily know what the [ __ ] you're going to see you go to the comedy store on on sunset you're gonna see if you get there at nine o'clock in state till two o'clock in the morning you're gonna see 10 15 different [ __ ] comedians and they're all different and you know some of them are men and some of them are women and some of them are gay and some of them are black and they all have different points of view and some of them you're going to think

are the best and some of them you think oh when is this guy getting off stage i mean that's just that's just part of it but for us what's really poor important about that is that when i work there i i know that it's not my crowd they're everyone's crowd see if i go to do a show if i do a show somewhere in san diego say and i advertise it the people that come they bought a ticket to see me it's your chrome yes but if i go to the comedy store they might be

there to see neil brennan or crystalia or whoever but they're still your crowd joe some of them are at the comedy store they steal your crowd they still they see when they're to watch you they know who you are if you go to maybe the middle of utah they are not going to know like utah is great you'd be surprised yeah why is god coming shout out to salt lake city oh yeah i lived in nebraska so i i couldn't imagine someone who lived in nebraska yeah that's what i they gave me for basketball jesus

christ wasn't that good i got mca division 2 school and uh that was it was it was crazy because i had a chance to meet the american people right it's not the people who lives in la la new york that's different i remember farmers yeah farmers and i was like hanging around with black guys because it was my people that was i was a foreigner we were minorities and they were playing basketball with me so i felt like it was it's a completely different experience yeah you live in nebraska it was it was it was

awesome how'd you get out uh did you walk i actually no no i i got injured i got into a fight man and i broke my joy my cheekbone no way yeah a fight playing basketball on the court i used to fight a lot i was [ __ ] yeah i didn't i know i'm not proud of that age but i used to fight a lot i liked to fight but i never knew how how to do it which is crazy because you're brazilian yeah and you know where valentino started it's where brazilian jiu jitsu

started i always won fights but the one that i lost i broke my cheekbone and my jaw and i had to do surgery here and the surgery went bad oh no because it's crazy that's specific but they don't have a doctor who does mouth and bones at the same time they have a neck and mouth doctor and they have uh dentists they don't have the one who does both this is the doctor at that time we're at that place right so my the surgery went wrong i had to go back to brazil and i had

to do the surgery again oh no and uh and i decided not to come back so this is how this is why this moment for me is very important uh i never thought that i had a my dream was to play basketball that's what i was dedicating my life uh for and uh i never thought that i would have a second chance in america and this is and that's it that's my second chance and i can mess this up so what made you come from brazil to america for stand-up comedy was it all the lawsuits

it was a little bit of the lawsuits i'm not saying that it was not but my friend it's like if you want to play basketball you want to play at the nba right if you want to play soccer you want to go to barcelona uh stand up is here man that's the place that you gotta be and we never had a brazilian stand-up comedian in in in here just like jade the ones were born here but not the ones who actually was like doing stand-up in brazil and coming here i think was important for me

for all my colleagues and all my all the comedians in brazil as well to start something here and it has been a very good experience a little hard yeah but it has been a lot of a lot of fun as well now are you working over here did you save up money and you live it off your money i still have my comedy club there i saved i saved some i got some money yeah yeah i lost some of those losses i kept some joke [ __ ] but i'm saying you're not working here now

necessarily i'm just like going and doing stand-up i'm focusing on stand-up i have my agent and i have manager everything is happening last year i did jfl i'm headlining i'm headlining some clubs right now because in those places that has like a huge brazilian community okay i'm doing in english but i'm uh throw a little portuguese in there with you yeah yeah yeah so that's that's new man it's i did everything that i wanted to do in brazil i did a talk show i did movies i did in my own series i directed a movie

directed the series and i thought it was like i'm 42 it's time for me to try something new that's why i came here and i miss my son a lot that's that's the the bad part but that's okay yeah we were talking about that before that is a that's a crazy situation very emotional thinking about it yeah my kids there and uh last time that i was leaving and he was like if i'm the most important in your life why are you searching for something so far away and i thought and i told him this

is important this is very important for me but it is selfish yeah this is something that i wanted to do and and for my career was important because i didn't i don't i lost a lot in my country as well with the lawsuits and i lost tv shows i lost a lot i lost money i thought was a little dangerous for me to keep doing it over there and i got a death threat that was that made me a little then and i didn't actually went public to talk about the death threat and was the

death threat over it was because one of my lawsuits i cannot be that specific because it wasn't open so if i say exactly who he was i'll be sued again right because uh you know yeah absolutely i'll be uh offending someone's honor because i but i knew what happened and i felt i didn't feel safe there for a little bit i'm not saying that i'll run away but i i it seems smart to come over here yeah and spend some time and build something and uh and maybe be here it was it was hard for

me that i could get hurt because of the nature of my job now when you're over here and you're trying to do stand-up d are you do you structure your act out do you have like how do you do it do you write it out on paper on a computer do you put it up on a this thing over here put it on your phone i write down everything over here and then i keep rehearsing and i go on stage and i have to talk and i say it that's what i do i memorize everything

that i'm gonna say not everything but the it gets natural it's the way you do it yeah i just memorize everything that i'm gonna write because if i mess up a word or two i can kill a joke and i want everything to work uh flawlessly so that's why i memorize it looks natural but i memorize everything but it's very hard for me to interact with the audience because every time that someone like hackled me i'll jug all jokes comes in portuguese on my hand and i have to translate right right right right at the

time and i lose time it's very frustrating oh yeah like and i even say this on stage like i was doing a show the other day and this guy just screamed you suck it was like a bad show as a bar show and what i say to what i wanna when i am stressed out i just mess up words and that'll always happen and he was like you said i wanted to say uh go [ __ ] yourself and i said gonna [ __ ] myself you're like looking at me like [ __ ] yourself

it's very hard to interact with the awesome who's tiny man it's difficult to do it in another language it's not my natural thing so everything is on your phone yeah you don't write it on a computer or notebooks do you write on a computer yeah yeah yeah right on the computer because i can write and um it's easier to type okay like it's first of all it's bigger right you're looking at a big 15 inch screen and i can type without looking at my fingers okay and so when i have ideas i can get them

out really quick and i don't have to say them okay i just look at it on the screen and then i'll write many versions of it and then i go over it and smoke a little weed and then start editing twisting it around the first version do you test the first version what i basically do is i get it to a point where i know that i have something to talk about i know i have a framework and i know where there's some punch lines and then i write it out on paper so that when

i write it out on paper i can see it better in my head i remember it better then i bring it to the stage but i don't have a rigid structure i i'm loose with it because i want to be able to feel it in the moment whether or not this is good perfect you know so when i go on stage i was like say if i'm doing a joke about uh coffee whatever i i'll i'll go you know i i drink too much [ __ ] coffee i got a real problem and here's how

i know i have a problem and then i'll go into it and then i'll start talking about all the different errors and then i'll listen to the recording and i go that part sucks i gotta fix this part and this part's stupid and this part is sloppy but that part gotta laugh okay but you know what it'd be even funnier if i said it clearer like maybe i need to say it this way okay you know and and then i'll just and then it's this constant process of writing writing it out going on stage list

recording all sets listening to the recording and then writing again do you uh when you listen to those sets do you keep the funny ones or is there some time that you do like a funny joke but you don't like it does that happen sometimes because it happens i don't it's it's it it feels ship cheap cheap cheap yeah yeah yeah but it was funny like you gotta laugh but it's not good yeah that's sure yeah absolutely yeah you got to be careful that you don't you don't want to be a hack you know that's

what that's what a hack is someone who tells like obvious stupid jokes that only make dumb people laugh okay or someone who does um tired beaten down material like the jokes that you know that other people have done already you know how do you would you know that you just would know based on your okay like here's a perfect example of stephen fry do you know stephen fry is yes he's a famous community yeah he used this recently he said uh something about uh i would i would love to uh come back to life as

a drug sniffing dog you know could you imagine being a drug sniffing dog at the airport just smelling everything no no getting high like he was saying about how that is such an obvious stupid joke and so many people have done that and that's a joke where man i bet probably hundreds of comedians have done a joke about that it's just like an obvious premise and you know like you were saying earlier that sometimes people would say jokes that you've said and you you have a hard time explaining that's my joke and to them it's

just an anecdote or then it's just something funny that they heard sometimes people go on stage and their act consists of really obvious premises that they have probably already heard someone cover before that's a hack yeah that's why it's difficult uh there's a huge challenge for me because i have been doing for 17 years but in another country so you guys you guys there's a huge road that you guys already followed so if you hear something out that's old maybe for me it's not right and i don't want to be that guy right right in

in what i realized that people don't point that out to you well you could ask people yeah yeah if you're friends with comics like okay you could ask okay and they'll tell you huh yeah yeah that's why uh like uh uh the other day this guy was doing a joke and i kind of thought about a uh tagline yeah and he got uncomfortable of me like telling him oh what about this and he was like yeah it's difficult man to connect with comedians it's not that easy because they all have huge problems they all have

it man one i was like in a group of guys one was like ex drug addict and the other ones was a drunk and they had like huge problems and i was like i have friends i'm i don't it was difficult man yeah you gotta be like oh you got a jeep and you gotta [ __ ] go to the bottom to search for something good and i understand this process but at the same time do i really have to go through all that to come with something great no you don't sometimes you just have

good ideas yeah crystal leah actually has a bit about that i don't want to do his bit but he's basically a bit about how good his childhood was and how close he is with his family and everybody thinks that you have to have a [ __ ] up childhood yeah it's not true you just have to be funny people are funny for different reasons some people are funny because they always enjoy stand up i mean if you if you grow up enjoying stand-up comedy and then become a stand-up comedian there's nothing wrong with that i

mean you don't have to be a drug addict do you yeah and i and i'm not gonna be because i i tried uh marijuana yeah yeah once two years ago and i stayed hyde for uh 14 days swear to god man did you eat it 14 days no no no smoking it wasn't a vaporizer is that yeah vaporizer vaporizer yeah yeah and i stay high for 14 days yeah that doesn't make any sense and i thought he doesn't right he doesn't i wasn't high right well probably wasn't for the second day right but i thought

it was like disconnected from reality well sometimes that does happen and i know a story about a guy who is a straight-laced guy who took some marijuana edibles so that he could get to sleep and he had a real problem like he got suicidal and freaked out and became just irrationally anxious he had crippling anxiety for some time for some time for weeks wow and he's a confident guy and a very handsome big muscular guy like just like you would never imagine this guy having any anxiety i think some people have just the the chemistry

of different individuals i wasn't born for that and that's what the doctor told me because i went to the psychiatrist wow i swear to god i'm that weak i'm that weak i went to the psychiatrist man and i told him no i smoked that thing like 14 days ago and i still hide and he looked at me and he gave me some some psycho one he gave me some pills and i was like oh if you stay high until tomorrow take these pills because what he told me is something that i didn't know that it

can be a trigger if you're has some tendencies of schizophrenia and a psychopath or if you have which was not my case and he's told this is very rare but it can't happen which is not your case and i was happy because he said it yeah and the next day i was okay and i felt okay and i didn't took the pills and i was crazy man that was crazy and i remember that i decided to record but i was like okay let me let me record what i'm thinking at least let's get some good

experience out of it right and i remember that it started to record and i said uh now i'm gonna record everything that i'm thinking and when i looked at the cell phone it was 45 minutes 45 minutes of talking and i didn't even realize i just said that i'm gonna record now and there was 45 minutes and when i listened like 15 days after that i was like i'm so crazy i'm so crazy i'm so crazy i'm gonna die i'm never gonna understand that my son's talking what is my son talking to me right now

wow one hit of a vapor one no he was more than one a bunch of his he was a bunch yeah well you're too tall you're big you're like 250 pounds so [ __ ] use it a lot also they were saying keep hitting it because you're tall because i wasn't feeling it oh no but when i felt it i felt for 14 minutes yeah people that's one of the the big problems with people when they first try is they try too much that's what happened yeah someone just says take another hit this will happen

man i tell people if you're thinking about trying marijuana going a little bit that's it put it down i don't feel anything shut the [ __ ] up leave it alone it'll you'll eventually feel something yeah just leave it alone wow that's crazy man there's so many people selling weeds and stuff and this it's not even cool anymore weed's not cool yeah it's like people are sober when i do shows there's a lot of people talk oh i smoked this and i smoked that it's like me man it's illegal now yeah it's just like going

to the dangers it's not dangerous yeah i think it's good it has to be illegal yeah well it definitely should be it doesn't affect me that way uh for me i've been smoking in a long time it's pretty easy okay i just it chills me out makes me it actually makes me nicer makes me like a more calm person it does yeah it makes me more sensitive to other people's feelings did you ever smoke because you felt that you're nervous or like stressed out and uh no i'm gonna treat i'm not gonna perform well in

this meeting or something and then you smoke it no it doesn't work like that for me like if i'm stressed out and i work out if i'm stressed out that's that's my best for alleviating that marijuana is good for me for thinking for contemplating and going over things and it's not it's not good for me for stress like for straight what if i feel like tense tension i work out that's that's what gets it out of me i always wanted to ask you one thing hmm uh it's completely different suburbs can i ask you anything

when you're doing interviews at the end of fights did you ever feel threatened somehow no at least once no no no no i one thing that i hope the fighters realize is that what i'm trying to do is only get them to express themselves i want them to shine i really genuinely want them they want this big fight i want them to express themselves i want them to maybe maximize their marketing their marketability and just like tell the world how they feel like that's a incredibly unusual experience to win a big fight in the cage

on pay-per-view in front of millions of people my goal is only to try to get them to communicate the better and to let them know that i'm there to support them that's all i'm ever trying to do perfect you know yeah like i was saying before before we started talking that i have a lot of friends in mma mm-hmm sweetest guys nicest people yeah consider what they do for a living it's crazy so crazy yeah damian van der ley yeah ninja shogun they are all how is ninja doing these days man uh last time i

talked to him he got some he got some uh i don't know if it was because of the fighting i cannot say that but his speech it's a little slow it is already hard to understand even shogun they have this what they call the huanese which is the way of speaking they come from this state which is very hard to understand what they say they're from kurtiva right yeah and people we don't forget each other sometimes when they speak too too fast you don't understand that much but anisha i think he got some some injuries

and uh got some scars in his head i think he got some surgeries yeah i think he had surgery he was fine at the time people are kicking people in and oh soccer kicking soccer kicking bro and he was one of the best he was good yeah he was an animal he was really young too and at the end he was like getting knocked out with slaps yeah that's the scariest thing is when you see their chin go when their ability to take apart what's crazy is shogun seems to be making a resurgence it's crazy

he amazing he i i we used to be very good friends with one of his coaches and after the fight with henderson the first one which was like crazy remember chaos that was a chaos and i was talking to him and he was like you don't even imagine how talented this guy is but uh he gotta focus if he was focused he would kick his ass in like [ __ ] two minutes so he just that's the way they do it in the shooting box they like to fight they like to [ __ ] just

go at it yeah tim and cyborg and uh van der ley and sanders the same thing but the way they do it's just like let's go to war yeah and sometimes the game changed yeah and but shogun is like learning you can see that he's like improving still improving and like i think it was like 36 well his last fight he looked sensational i mean you look like a [ __ ] killer too crazy he can take a shot again now it's weird it's like i mean he got knocked out by a few different guys

and he's lost some fights some tough fights but his last fight he looked as good as he's looking years it's it's sad for me when i see like uh i don't know why it's always with brazilians but when i see like an old an old fighter getting his ass thick too quick i remember his fight with sonnen that was that was yeah well he got caught again he got caught on the ghillie chain but he's fast he the guy trained for like six months and that's very frustrating remember when roycey went back to fight with

hughes that was like yeah well matt hughes was in his prime then you know and he was so strong and hoyce just wasn't he wasn't physically capable you didn't do it right he didn't look the same you know he just didn't look like he was physically capable the same way and and you know matt he was [ __ ] talented unbelievably talented when he when he got on top of hoist he was smashing him i was like oh yeah it's hard to watch it's hard to watch yeah yeah but that's the life i mean that

is the life they chose you know when chuck liddell just got knocked out by tito ortiz that was hard to watch because you could tell he just can't take a punch in it i was in that fight that went in there to watch it he was it was bad it was it wasn't wasn't moving right either the thing about when fighters take a lot of knockout losses one of the things that's very becomes apparent is their balance looks off and their movement doesn't look the same like their neurology their they don't their body doesn't move

it's not the same yeah it can look the same but doesn't react the same right right i mean even anderson when he lost a style bender i think stylebender would have been a tough fight for him at any point in his career because stylebender is just fantastic super technical but anderson looked like he was a step behind the anderson of old like the anderson that knocked out vitor or the anderson that you know you go back to the early days anderson that knocked out chael sonnen i mean that anderson was a [ __ ] he

was just an assassin he was so good he just knew what to do and when to do it and when the style bender fight he just looked like he was a little off a little off just but he's also 46 i think you know he's i think he's one one year older than this 43. he's only 40. yeah we did a show together uh we do a show this show on atlas call the ultimate beast master which is uh brazilian netflix noah's is here as well terry crews did an american we did we do like

all holes from different countries and we meet and it's like american ninja warrior for netflix oh okay and we have like hosts from different countries and we have the brazilians and the italians and the french guys and uh and i did a show with anderson he's a sweet guy he's a great guy he's a great guy he's a great guy i mean he's one of the all-time greats i mean i had the honor of calling a lot of his fights and it's crazy because yeah and it's crazy uh uh when you're talking about the guy

the guy is getting older i remember i talked with minotauro it was like three or four it was like two two two fights after he actually retired and i asked him why why you keep doing it you don't have to you know you don't have to prove anything to no one and what he said to me i think was so fair he was like i fought when this thing wasn't giving me any money right so just give let me lose the fight or two and get some money at the end of my career because i

deserve that right he wasn't like of course he was going there to win but it's like i wanna take the risk yeah because i was fighting in japan getting i don't know five thousand dollars and now that the game it's like bringing you so much money i'm gonna retire let me just do a couple more well minotauro not not only was he a pioneer and one of the great mma heavyweights of all time but he's so important for mma because he showed that heavyweights can fight off their back and that heavyweights could win by triangle

like when he triangled mark coleman and was tapping guys with arm bars when he beat bob sapp the bob sapp one is [ __ ] crazy that's what that is one of the greatest mma fights in the history of the sport 375 pound bob sapp minotaur only probably weighed 230 yeah and he wound up tapping him with an armbar it was [ __ ] crazy after he gets spiked on his head which still apparently [ __ ] with him to his day his neck was [ __ ] up permanently because of that yes i didn't

know that 375 pound guy who doesn't even look like a human he looked like a like a comic book hero and he smashes him on his head and minotauro recovered and i mean he was one of the toughest guys of all time yeah but he was run by a truck when he was live yeah that's that scar and so he's run by a truck crazy yeah that's crazy i mean he's um he's one of the most important figures in the history of the sport and then i think fabricio took it to another level because fabricio

over doom probably has the best guard in the history of the sport it's the history of the heavyweight division i mean when he caught fedor when he had him in his triangle and he had him locked up like that you don't get away with that guy like you you might get out of some people's guard not fabricio that [ __ ] locks people up dang and i gotta thank him i'm here just because of him yeah help me with that well my respect for him you know when he reached out to me and was like

okay i'll get your friend on 100 thank you brother thank you and yeah he is a great guy and that's what i well that's why i asked you if if you kind of feel threatened because when people get there in a fight yeah you don't know what is going to happen right and when you go over there to talk with one you can say a wrong thing at the wrong i don't know or maybe you can you can make mistakes you can make mistakes but my my intention is always to just to make them look

good that's all i'm trying to do okay i'm trying to do is just get them to express themselves and and and also put some emotion to how great their performance was perfect yeah but it's a weird job you know to also be a comedian you know it's a strange combination combination of two yeah do they go watch you sometimes sometimes yeah yeah yeah that's good man that's very good and uh for me now it's like uh uh i'm here to try this comedy thing and so you're getting up in los angeles and are you traveling

anywhere yeah yeah i have a gig on rhode island rhode island a lot of portuguese people yeah i have a gig there uh i did the gotham comedy club last last two weeks ago i headlined the club so it's great did you get a lot of brazilians that come to see you yeah do they want you to speak portuguese they do and some of them don't speak english really there's like always like two or three at the end of the show i thought i was in portuguese but that was so good to see you but

i didn't understand anything is sad right so that happened but it's it's hard maybe because i have to build an audience here yeah and it's gonna take some time do you do a podcast i don't you should i should yeah definitely definitely it's a good i think every comedian like every comedian has an instagram page every comedian also should have a podcast it's very simple to do it's not something that we do that much in brazil so oh maybe you could be the pioneer of that pioneer on the podcast yeah i mean you're the pioneer

for stand-up youtube is something huge in brazil well that's a great way to start because with all you need is a webcam and you can start your podcast just on on youtube my i have my my my my channel youtube got like two million subscribers really i have like on twitter i have 12 million people following it's a lot man that's a lot 12 million people following me my brazilian instagram i got like 1.5 million people people people are very active in social media in brazil is this good it's something that is from our nature

to connect with people in brazil so that's why social media got huge and it was uh it was like an alternative for the traditional media what is this the most influential person on twitter look at you [ __ ] i got a story on the new york times that's crazy new york times magazine saying you're the most influential person on twitter that's incredible now what why why are they saying you're the most influential what were you doing that was influencing people i have no idea i was surprised one day i woke up and it was

a story on the new york times saying that i was the most inflation profile on twitter and in second place the dalai lama take this one dalai lama obama in third what are you obama yes i was the first one so they did like a huge story about me wow it's incredible it was man twitter was something huge in brazil what is the difference between the way people use twitter and brazil in america is there a difference no for for me i just use twitter for jokes that's what i did for quite some time it

was uh twitter lost a lot of his strength in brazil because people like to connect in brazil so facebook is huge and instagram is huge so you have your family over there you have uh you have you have everything you have your people but you feel talking you should just like sk twitter feels like you're screaming and someone is gonna listen it's not like on facebook that people yeah follows you and then if he likes you your post is gonna be like in the in the top of his page twitter is just something that is

there so it lost a lot of power in brazil but one thing that is happening right now is our new president and we have a new president now that is a right-wing guy he was just elected and he got stabbed he was like when did he get stabbed yeah it was like two months ago really during the process of the election holy [ __ ] she got stabbed in the gut like like did you see that that was crazy i didn't hear about that yeah and he's like a very wide range he won the election

and he's trying to do with twitter with trump did well he's doing it here like run instead of going to press conferences and and everything you just go on twitter and see what he wants wow yeah twitter is uh unique in the way people just use it to insult people and so angry it's so angry like if you just only if you didn't know anything about people and you just looked on twitter and you just like saw how you're like well people must be fighting in the streets it must be just a bloodbath out there

if you really thought that people interacted in the real world the way they do on twitter you would think that everywhere is just weapons and clubs and [ __ ] running people over with cars wishing everyone dies but i think man there's a difference and i think we have to acknowledge that there's a difference between your behavior on the web and outside of the web for sure and sometimes you don't realize that yeah oh the world is boring everybody is sensitive and everything else if you go outside it's not that much it's the same it's

the same it was always it's a distorted lens that you could see humans through it's not how people really are and it's also it's not a healthy way to communicate because you don't worry about what the person thinks about what you're saying you're saying things that you don't necessarily even really mean because you're trying to be inflammatory you know to get some attention yeah i mean that's a lot of it a lot of is just screaming screaming for attention and insulting people and and then you look at people's pages that's the most disturbing thing to

me when someone say something shitty to me i'll go to their page and i see they're just saying shitty things all day long like what kind of life is this man it's a [ __ ] terrible life what i'm doing right now i have this series that i do on instagram where i just i get like the guy cursing me or saying some [ __ ] about me and i just show his face and it's enough and it's funny because it's it's funny to see who is actually who hates me right then uh i call

this the people who hates me and then i put what he wrote and then only just like his face right it's thumbnail it's enough for you to see all that's [ __ ] you don't have to take things too serious because if you take a look of their lives it's you can see why they are so mad yeah there's there's a lot of that a lot of angry and most of them have private accounts like you can't look at their pictures they're hiding yeah they're hiding who they are they just talk [ __ ] in

the comments that should end bro yeah it's weak [ __ ] just doesn't that [ __ ] it's so weak you're giving people a chance to like throw blind shots of course man that's crazy i think that the being anonymous on the web it's a good it's a good thing because it allows you to be free at the same time yeah uh it's good for whistleblowers for people like reporting crimes reporting corruption of course repo you know like that for that it's critical that is that is a there's a way to do it and don't

expose yourself yeah but at the same time it creates that but it's you know it's the sign of the new era bro yeah it's just a new thing that we all have to navigate it's just a new thing and it's like we were talking about earlier with social media being so recent in human history there's never been anything where you could just talk to the whole world and do it from your phone while you're sitting at a red light you could say something there's a story about this woman was her name justine sacco was that

the woman's name who who said something racist and went to a plane yes i said yes she said i'm going to africa hope i don't get aids just kidding i'm white lol so she was [ __ ] up on ambien and she was uh orizanex or ambien i forget what it was she was she was on some sort of psych medication and uh something that affects your brain and drank too she had a couple of drinks just thought she was being funny and then wakes up 16 hours later in africa and her life is over

that's crazy [ __ ] crazy and it was just one of those days where there was like a slow news cycle and people just jumped on that tweet and the thing about it too is that they don't want you to recover from something like that they want that's that's you for the rest of your life that's what i felt yeah that's what i felt i'm the baby [ __ ] yeah i am that's yeah so everything that i say right now is like wasn't you like [ __ ] babies you know i never [ __

] a baby never [Laughter] i don't think they're attractive i don't feel i don't feel attracted at all do you foresee a time ever where you will go back to brazil no i do i do go back to but i mean go back to do stand-up and living i i i don't see that man the challenges here and the freedom that i think i have here and maybe i don't maybe i will face this this this whole thing the same thing when i get famous or when i when it's when i get it no no

you won't it's way easier here from what yeah yeah from what you're explaining to me but look at louie or louie's a different case because it's not what he said on stage and you know i mean it's a he got caught up in the wave of the me too movement too whereas if this same exact instance happened in the past it's not the same thing yeah it was a bad comparison but i got like daniel tosh did a rape joke and that was god that was over in like like that and did you know what

happened there with the joke no he was like improvising with the audience or something huh he was improvising with the audience here's the deal um he was at the lab factory he wasn't supposed to be there don herrera who is his friend said hey why don't you go up and do some standing because i don't have any materials just go up and [ __ ] around just sit they'll be happy to see you goes okay so he goes on stage he's like i don't have any material so uh what do you guys want to talk

about some guy yells out rape and he goes what what what's funny about like he's like making fun of the guy like what are you talking about what's funny about rape he's like there's nothing he goes like what's funny about rape the humiliation the violence and some woman yells out actually there's nothing funny about rape so he goes wouldn't it be funny five guys raped her so he's just being daniel tosh so it probably would have been just one of those moments in a live crowd filled with drunk people but she wrote a blog about

it yeah where she was the victim she wrote this huge blog about him calling for her to get raped which is not exactly what he did it was it's in the context of being heckled you understand what it is and he kind of had to have some sort of an apology for it but then all these other people jumped in and then it became a a moment where people could show that they don't support rape or they don't support what we call rape culture they use you as a platform yes yes that's what happened and

that's what happened with me as well people don't analyze context anymore exactly and we are very uh we are available we are we as comedians we are talking we are ourselves we are not playing a character so if you take if i take your jokes joe out of context from your special network yes i can get some some clicks if i oh yeah for sure if i wanted but i think people are getting tired of it and now they understand the process yes but what i felt was the beginning of that mm-hmm especially in your

country yeah where you don't have a long history of stand-up yeah so that's why i lost money and uh that's why i lost a lot of money you're the [ __ ] lenny bruce of brazil yeah man i don't know you know what someone will give me that credit in the future but now now you want to be no coffee in america no no not only that but that's why uh what what people said to me and what i felt was that that i was a lot of people said i was using this freedom of

speech argument to offend people right you hear that in america too and which was not the case but that is a matter of freedom of speech yeah because we had a law uh uh in brazil a long time ago where people are like trying to uh regulate uh comments on the web oh if i feel offended i can ask someone to delete that so the gov the government was trying to regulate that yeah and uh and the law was approved so like after it wasn't approved but the law was like changing after the voting but

when it becomes at the end the government was like when it was was getting the time of the voting the government was like okay what about if i take some tweets as well that offend me so the government tried to get into the way of things so it is a matter of freedom of speech when this is going to end it becomes with the joke but maybe it can end with the government uh shutting you up yes i have a friend in venezuela a comedian friend his name is nacho he was he was kicked out

of the country because of some jokes he did whoa he can't go back he's living in miami right now because he if he goes back to venezuela right now the government is going to put him on jay or maybe kill him i don't know wow what was his jokes about yeah i don't know what his joke was about but he was making fun of the government but then like one year after that he makes some jokes about people with down syndrome and then the government felt that he he when he has to go to jail

because of the dow syndrome joke they were using that thing to take him out of the streets so it's dangerous out there man it's not that easy to do comedy outside of america you built that freedom yeah you hear about it all the time people in other countries that say jokes and they get in trouble uh like there was something in thailand there was some someone made a joke about the king and they locked him in jail and it's it's very just a lot of countries where it's very dangerous very dangerous to speak out against

the government yeah we're really really fortunate here so like for you when you see americans complaining about freedom of speech over here and not not being able to say whatever you want it's kind of a joke that's exactly what i feel it's just like if you want to be an [ __ ] just deal with the consequences that's all yes that's all that's what i feel i'm an [ __ ] right but when someone stopped me on the street you're a piece of [ __ ] i was like yeah you're [ __ ] right but

that's okay let's end there i am a piece of [ __ ] and that's where it has to end you know yeah don't take it uh personal uh that's what i i feel that is is difficult to do uh comedy out there and here you have this freedom of doing it and i think it's it's beautiful it's beautiful it's something that you guys built do you think that it's going to change in brazil and then maybe the the stand-up comedy could actually see because one of the things that happened in america is that lenny bruce

because he didn't just tell jokes he actually talked about social issues on stage it actually expanded people's ideas of what these social issues are and and how critical they are it changed culture in a lot of ways and jokes one of the things about stand-up comedy that does help to change culture is say if you have an opinion and i have an opinion if your opinion is different than mine you say something i'm like well i don't agree with that i think this but if you say something and you make me laugh even if i

don't agree with it it sneaks in my head like you have a point if your point is so good that it makes me laugh even if i don't agree with it like god damn it he got it he got in there so you get you can propagate ideas yeah inside someone's consciousness you can you can sneak them in we have a few people doing it in brazil some uh and i used to have this tv show called cqc and we used to do comedy in congress we used to go and interview congressmen and make fun

of them and we got kicked out of the congress and again then people brought brought us back to the congress but it all uh you all reached a point when it's about money and if the and if someone is not willing to put money in your product you don't do it and money is connected to politics and politics and brands and the tv stations for you to have a tv station in brazil you need authorization by the government so you're not that completely free to do what you want to do it but but you have

some people doing it and comedy is getting it's getting big stand stand-up is getting huge in brazil you use connected to youtube i have a lot of big comedians doing like huge theaters i used to do like 5 000 seat theaters in brazil so it's it's becoming it's becoming an option wow five thousand theaters yeah wow you do it man you do it here it's five thousand yeah i do it all the time wow she's doing like ten thousand but what i'm saying is it's crazy that you started out doing like a sado masochist club

yes and then you go to a 5 000 seat theater that's pretty amazing that's what i built with some friends and i feel that i'm proud of that to open this this uh this discussion and this chance because i have a lot of people doing it right now getting money out of it my comedy club we pay well comedians every time they go on stage it's not like here they get like 10 bucks sometimes yeah but it's okay we consider that as a business over there and that's that's serious and this is awesome that's fantastic

it's so cool that you started that i mean that's got to be really a good feeling to know that all these people that are doing it now that are professional comedians like you you took the first steps yeah yeah i feel proud man there was a lot of people that that i probably have all of them watching this right now i don't know anyone who has ever done it in one language and then made it over in america afterwards i'm trying to think i can't think of any i don't think anybody but in english oh

yeah i don't i can't think of anybody that started out in another country and then made it in america what is the name of the russian guy they always do the is still doing the comedy story they used to say yakov smirnoff yeah yeah great guy he i think he's russian yes he's russian but i think he's been over here most of his life oh i don't think he started in russia i think his whole idea in russia they say yeah this whole thing yeah so he was doing like a character no no he speaks

i mean he definitely speaks russian okay and he definitely is from russia but uh he definitely plays it up too and he you know he's been over here forever he has uh his own theater in what is that place where those old folks live branson branson missouri yeah it's like one of those weird like super religious places yeah yeah like they it's a strange area it's a very very strange like like you talk to people about it in branson missouri people go like it's it's not a place where like dave chappelle goes to play do

you go to this place no i do not no i do not there's only so many places i go i don't have any time to i don't want to you know i'm not trying to run uphill no no yeah if you don't get it that's all right i'll go to chicago okay you know yeah i'll go somewhere where people can yeah yeah this just i don't have time but now what i all i concentrate on now i mean the ground's already been broken right i'm not breaking any new ground all i'm trying to do is

write good stuff write good material do good work and i'm just trying to make people happy i'm trying to make them laugh that's all i'm trying to do i just try to when they go and they get a babysitter and they come to a comedy club i want to do my best that's all i want to do so that's all i think about do you still uh get a lot of like movie offers and uh yeah i get offers for stuff but i don't know actually you know i don't know i don't do it anymore

i tried it a little bit it's just not my thing okay it just takes time it's not necessary and all my friends that do it you know like my friend brian just called me from a movie set the other day goes he goes you're so right [ __ ] this he goes i'm sitting in my trailer for 16 hours he's like i [ __ ] hate this [ __ ] i don't want to do this i just got another offer for another movie that's not that good and i don't want to do that either you

know you could you could do a movie and put so much effort and time into it no one will see it like maybe it'll be opposite some [ __ ] big avengers movie and nobody goes to see your movie and it's out of the movie theater yeah you're like [ __ ] [ __ ] i spent so much time doing that no one cares no one cares the thing about movies too that's interesting is there's so many of them it's not like you're ever going to see all the movies there's so many movies and every

week there's new movies if you really stop and think about how [ __ ] insane that is there must be thousands and thousands and thousands of movies you can't possibly see them all like if you just want to be entertained like you could see movies to the end of time you could just sit in front of your [ __ ] netflix and just until your eyes fall out of your head watching movies that's crazy there's almost no need to make more movies we're good and it's crazy yeah and it's crazy because movies are getting bigger

and bigger and bigger and bigger because they have to bring you something that takes you out of your house yes yeah people don't go to the movie to watch adam sandler anymore do you want a [ __ ] superhero kicking your face and coming in your neck yeah that's what they want they want [ __ ] huge stuff yeah there's that but then people do need comedies like kevin hart movies they still sell really well like people still want to see something funny you know that's people still need it's one of the things about stand

up and one of the things about funny movies too is that people need a break from the grind of life life is a horrible grind you know it's [ __ ] hard man it's hard to pay your bills and get up every morning to a job you don't want to get up to and maybe you're not even into being married anymore and you got to [ __ ] trudge through that because maybe you have a children and you decide that it's better to stay for your children then you're [ __ ] living in hell and

your neighbor's a [ __ ] and the dog won't stop barking and and then you just need something just something give me something give me something funny my friend that's why i'm so optimistic in life is that what what a chance i have of pursuing my dream yeah and doing comedy and making people laugh and having fun they don't have to sit in a [ __ ] [ __ ] share for eight hours a day and uh with a job that i don't like because if you like to be an accountant that's okay yeah be

happy being an accountant sure but it was never for me yeah it was never for me no it was never for me either or any comedian that i know everyone that i know was like doing something and living in hell until they decided to be a comedian or the thought of doing something else but you know that's that's the path of life right the path of life is for some people what we do would be hell you know for some people that are introverts or that they don't like attention and they they don't like public

speaking and they don't they're not necessarily funny what we do is hell they if you weren't a funny person and you don't know how to make people laugh and you have to go on stage and make people laugh every night that's your job like and you have to try hard or there's some sort of pain involved [ __ ] that'd be hell see that was that was me the last few shows that i did in brazil i felt i felt heavy heavy like everyone's watching you yeah i fell i felt that the energy i i

still have a very loyal audience and i'm fight a lot they love me and i love them we still have that connection but i felt exposed and not exposed and that's when you this is after the baby [ __ ] joke yeah if after me becoming a baby [ __ ] but at the time that was funny right when you said it everybody laughed they laugh a lot yeah but that was not the case my friend if you take this joke out of context yeah and put it in a newspaper even me when i read

that i was like this guy is [ __ ] it's messed up the rape joke that i did when i read on a newspaper i was like the rape joke oh man do you really want me to go there yeah we referenced it it was bad it was something like uh i was watching on tv and i don't i'm not proud of that okay but i was watching on tv this woman she was saying that she was raped and it was bad it was a very bad experience she was crying but the camera wasn't showing

her face it was just showing her mouth and she has a huge mustache like a huge mustache like a [ __ ] a lot of hair and i made this joke about well this guy he was he was uh this was this was a kind of a gift because she didn't she wouldn't have another opportunity or something that was it wasn't good but i did once i was just testing the joke right i was doing at one o'clock at night in my comedy club it was like 20 people in the audience so you're just [

__ ] around i was just [ __ ] around that well it was what i saw on tv so they were waiting for you to do something like that and it was like this journalist was was there and he was doing a story for the rolling stone and i was doing it was sorry about me and then the cover and it wasn't in the cover but the the picture of the whole story was me dressed as jesus like bleeding with a crown and on my head and that was the in the in the text was

this rape joke it was rape joke i didn't even write the thing i was just like talking with the audience right right but when that's that was taken out of context it was hard for me to explain to them okay this is was me [ __ ] around with like 20 people right the people couldn't see the difference between me doing and it wasn't a good joke at all it's not something that i'm proud of but when you're on stage and you're testing sometimes just [ __ ] comes up right and i was testing boundaries

as well i think it was my duty to test some stuff yeah uh there's things that you say where you're not thinking them out because you're ad-libbing in the moment and they come out and even you disagree with them as you're saying of course but this is part of the process of creating material especially if there's 20 people in the crowd it's late at night like you do things just to see you go down doors you open doors of course you don't know what's in there and sometimes you'll say something and then you'll have the

[ __ ] perfect line and it comes out of nowhere and the only way you find out is if you take a chance doing it yeah that's why i think it's unfair and i was having a discussion with two great big comedians about the louis set that he did like recently yeah and i i think he already talked about this but uh the guy was testing stuff yeah so how can you judge if the work is not done it's not even close to done he probably maybe he did that bit once before if that you

know and the judgment was like oh he has to address what happened with him i'm pretty sure he will but not on that set maybe he didn't dress on that set that not he's special right when he has his special that's when he framed the thing okay that's my work yeah but if he's just testing stuff you cannot judge by that the problem is now everybody wants to judge everything he does they want to find him and watch him and so now he has to institute this uh cell phone policy at all the comedy clubs

he works at where you have to take your phone and put it in a bag so that no one can get a hold of it it's just it's a real problem he's got a real problem and it's also a real problem for creating comedy because if people don't understand that this this is what comedy is about the comedy is about improvisation and then boiling it down to what's good and then figuring out what's the best way to express an idea because sometimes you have an idea and you know there's something there but you don't know

how to say it so you just take a chance on one way and then you go oh that's offensive that's disgusting but there's got to be a way to do it let me find a better way yeah of course yeah there's many bits that i did um like uh not my last special but especially before where when i first started them they were not doing well at all they were not doing well at all i had to figure out a way to make them funny why did you insist on them because i knew there was

something there and there was something there like like for instance i have this one bit on women uh in inventions and that women don't invent a lot of things and i it took a long time for me to figure out how to do that and the best way to do that was to talk about all the great things about women first so i just had i had to talk about you know like the the concept that women are supposed to work that we should that women are supposed to work as well as raise children which

is [ __ ] crazy because raising children i'm not not saying that every woman should raise children and that they shouldn't have a career but if you if you think that it's easy to raise children you're out of your [ __ ] mind it's one of the most difficult things in the world they're just to have the patience you're dealing with these little people you have to teach them things you have to re you have to give them love and constant attention and it's very very time consuming it's difficult and these women are making people

in their [ __ ] bodies it's the most incredible thing that anyone has ever created humans you make you make humans in your body i mean that's insane and i would go through this whole thing and then i'd say so ladies i love you i think you're amazing but let's be honest you don't invent a lot of [ __ ] and then i got into this whole thing about women inventions and then i just talked about all the great inventions that women make okay you set up differently yeah it's the same thing when i figure

out how to do it it took a while to figure out how to do it where the women thought it was funny okay where i gave them enough honest legitimate credit and said funny things about them that are positive first so then they feel free to laugh yes i feel like i'm not a dick i just have a point that women don't invent a lot of [ __ ] that's funny dude i also had to say i don't invent anything that i had to get really clear about that let's be clear we're not talking about

us i go look i'm a [ __ ] [ __ ] i've never invented [ __ ] and i'm guessing you're probably pretty dumb too which is why you're here listening to me talk i was like we're not talking about us we're talking about inventors and so i was trying to remove people from the tribal male versus female dynamic just to talk about the fact yeah that in history there have not been like relatively a lot of women inventors got it and so then they fell and then they left then it was funny it was

like it worked out great it was my closing bit it's the same thing with this uh the joke that translated uh from portuguese to english and uh i didn't have any problem doing this in portuguese because we don't have that much talking about race and stuff he was not that one the n-word but it was a joke that i used to do that i was like i saw this guy with a t-shirt written a 100 percent black because he i pointed to the palm of his hand and said 99 he smiled i said 98 that

was the joke that i was doing and i did this joke here well i just translated it it's like this literal right yeah yeah that so this is a case of joke that i translate it works yeah because it's well written has a good punchline it's it's everything but people feel very uncomfortable who not the black people the people that sit around the black guy that was that was that was i thought it was funny because it wasn't him he was like laughing so do you think it's funny because all of those people they didn't

feel that they were entitled to laugh around you oh right right so it was like this kind of uncut it was uh uncomfortable right but when i sat up as you know what you talk about race too much and we don't have that in brazil so sometimes there's some misunderstandings with i don't so when i put myself in that position then i'm just just a mistake it's like it's not racist it's just like i don't speak english that's easy that's when i get a yeah that's what i when i when i when i'm free to

do the same thing that you did you set up in a different way well that's that's a really interesting angle too that really only someone from another country can pursue this angle that like you have the america has a different culture than you're used to so there's probably so many differences oh yeah he does a lot of differences [ __ ] kardashians i don't know how you guys squash that [ __ ] it's just like we don't either there's like four chicks [ __ ] hanging around and we are like i go and they're so

silly there's nothing to it the celebrity thing yeah [ __ ] that's that's amazing do you have instagram celebrities and youtube celebrities in brazil like that yeah same kind of thing yeah yeah we do have a lot of them and people playing video games and kids my kids watch people playing video games right it's the same thing it's huge over here yeah i know people make millions of dollars playing video games it's crazy like parents tell their kids don't be a loser play video games but like wait a minute what are you talking about these

kids are making millions of dollars what is a loser you work all [ __ ] year for 50 grand and this guy is making 500 000 a week playing youtube playing [ __ ] videos youtube crazy twitter it's [ __ ] crazy and youtube gives gives you much more money than it does in brazil but we have the same speech of like i have my this youtube channel called barbados in brazil and we are having a lot of problems with we are getting not monetizing our videos it's the same thing oh yeah we are suffering

to the same problems well they don't know exactly what to do because advertisers are very wary about certain content and so they have these deals with these advertisers and so they're trying to suppress content because they don't want to minimize they don't want to lose revenue so what they're trying to do is make advertisers happy but then the content creators feel like they're being censored they are being censored but they have to understand what's happening here like this this all this stuff costs money do you get some of your videos all the time yeah all

the time [ __ ] man yeah they get demonetized they get demonetized if we talk about specific subjects all subjects as well yep yep not even showing images just talking about the subjects just subjects and we've talked about them and we've we've complained about a little but basically i mean jamie we kind of take this attitude was nothing we could do we just kind of keep on trucking you could just keep doing it yeah because you're building much more than ju yeah that money is not that you're i mean it's something it's money and you

know it could be thousands of dollars for each one that they don't monetize but that's not how i i don't think about it that way i think about it like well what's important what's important is just say what's on your mind and uh whatever i'm not going to change just so that i get more youtube ad money that would ruin whatever i'm doing so i think they're going to work it out in a better way eventually but there's also a thing called youtube red and with youtube red even if things get demonetized the people that

are paying for youtube see you pay for youtube red so you never get any advertisements and the the you still like if you get a certain amount of people that are i think 50 percent of our revenue comes from youtube red that's something right roughly yeah it varies the video the video it's just a time watched kind of cumulative thing okay yeah so there's there's a lot of people are saying look i'd rather pay x amount of dollars per month and don't don't put any ads on so i think we're moving towards that that sort

of that model but i understand the process as well there's brands yeah and they're paying the bills you know what google is not uh it's not free it's not free it's all all of it is expensive and they're trying to make money too so like the only reason for them to allow someone like you or i to put a video up is they want to be able to profit from it so i mean they're not providing a service just because they're they're good people they're trying to make money yeah but the thing which is it's

just easier for us is that our revenue comes through shows and we can do a lot of different stuff but there's people that actually get their money from youtube yes and that's the one that are getting hurt well in the united states the real issue is uh conservative speakers because all these tech companies whether it's youtube or facebook or what have you they all lean left they're all very left-wing so right-wing people feel like they get censored off of all these platforms before other ones maybe less on facebook right because facebook they they actually make

money off of people paying attention to [ __ ] so the more people argue about stuff probably the more more eyes they get the money that they get the most of their money is people paying you paying facebook to promote their content yeah it's not like yeah and facebook doesn't you don't make money off of facebook right is there anybody making money off of facebook blog posts or yeah yeah yeah there is people more there's monetizing videos right now yeah videos videos right it's very recent but not like writing like say if you wrote an

essay yeah they wouldn't pay for that specifically right but that's where like there's a lot of uh a lot of people like to comment on things and argue about things and so if you have something controversial on facebook there's probably value in that because you're going to get more eyeballs right there's a lot of value in controversy it's just like what kind of controversy so for youtube the big thing is uh they like if you have like uh well specifically twitter twitter's been they've had big issues with it and instagram not so much with conservative

people right you don't hear that as much i don't think so no it's more of a twitter youtube thing and it's conservatives feel like they're being pushed out because almost overwhelmingly all the tech companies are liberal they're all very left-wing and very pro-gay rights trans rights like there's a there's an example of this one woman who's a feminist who said that a woman is not a man or a man is not a woman so like a trans woman a man who used to be a man and turn into a woman her take is a man

is never a woman okay this is just and so they told her you got to remove this she removed it and apparently took a screenshot of it and posted it up again she was like okay i'll delete that and she took a screenshot and then posted again like [ __ ] you okay and so then they banned her for life and now she's suing that woman megan what is her name um i forget her here i got it right here because someone just sent me something sam harris just sent me something about it today um

her name is uh megan murphy so she's a feminist and she's just like look you can't just become a woman [ __ ] off and so they're like you're banned for life and then everybody's like well you're crazy you can't ban her she's got an opinion how come she can't have that opinion like if that's a biological opinion i mean it might be controversial it might be rude it might be insensitive but it's the same process joe is the same thing that i lived in brazil it's like if the sponsor doesn't want you to say

that how can you argue i don't think that's a sponsor issue because this is twitter because i don't think that's a sponsor i think this is a left-wing corporation okay they've decided to censor a certain type of speech that they think is offensive and she was apparently saying it to the person who was a trans person like a man is never a woman and by saying that to the trans person they're saying that it was like targeted harassment but don't you think that the end of the process it is about money because you think twitter

cared that much i saw the the twitter guy here for me didn't look that he cared about much about about about the speech side of things because there are companies so they they have to pay their bills and they have to bring sponsors and even brands are more left sided here in this country so because that's where it's sensitive right because that's where you can you can get boycotted there i think there's definitely something to what you're saying there but i think also well yeah if you're the ceo of a major corporation like twitter or

something like that you're responsible to your stockholders you're responsible to all the people that work on the board you're trying you're if you want to stay ceo you got to continue to make more and more money every year you got to bring more people to the platform make the platform more popular make more money and in their eyes the way to do that and to maximize that is to limit harassment limit things these are our social decisions but they're also business strategies they're two different things together at the same time yeah so it's uh it's

[ __ ] complex yeah and they don't know what the [ __ ] they're doing this is uncharted territory there's never been a thing like twitter before there's never been a thing like facebook before we're in complete uncharted territory in 2019. but it's amazing man it is amazing to see uh people like you and me creating our own channels we are our own nbc's oh yeah so we don't have to depend on that that much you just you feel free that's when creativity comes up that's when people are start to be creative that's when new

stuff that's so it becomes a threat as well well when you stop and think about the sheer impact like what what was the number that our channel got in terms of minutes watched what was that number looked uh for [ __ ] for the year for last year it was 16.1 billion minutes watched that's more than every human on the planet watching a minute think of that isn't it it's way more that's more than double every human on the planet watching for a minute wow [ __ ] me yeah i guess you have some fans

but it's not even that it's just that's the the impact the impact of that is insane you know negative and positive pro and con all of it the whole thing it's like the the amount of content that gets put out there and the amount of interactions and the amount of debate that comes from that content it's just it doesn't make any sense and for me the only thing i can do is just walk away i don't know what the [ __ ] is going on i just throw it out there and get the [ __

] away from it you don't read anything you don't read [ __ ] i couldn't you don't no you get caught up in all of it you you would get caught up in the negative or maybe even worse caught up in the positives oh yeah people kiss your ass you start believing it so i just put i try to be humble and if there's an overwhelming negative reaction i hear about it and then i try to adjust and address it and and respect uh the i'm in this unique position where i do have this weird

sort of uh platform i saw you talking about the that you thought that you weren't that informed to do the the twitter guy yeah that's why i brought tim pool in because tim tim's like he's a good friend as well i met him in brazil yeah he went there to cover our protests oh really yeah no he's a legitimate investigative independent journalist and a real honorable guy and honest and intelligent and well informed so i knew he was the perfect guy and we're going to do some other things he and i we got something that's

going to blow people away when when that happens that's good yeah yeah it's this he sent me a message yesterday oh sorry that you're going on wrong and i was like yeah yeah yeah i can't talk about it right now but we got something cooking that you have to do those things bro do some things i've talked about some things focus on your kids i do well they're in school right now see the thing is yeah this happens while they're in school and then comedy happens while they're asleep so have it down to a science

you do it yeah so what it is is they go to school okay i get up with them either i take them to school or my wife takes from school and then i go either workout either i do yoga or lift weights or jiu jitsu or whatever in the morning then i come here i'm done in the afternoon then i hang out with them until it's time to eat we eat dinner and then after dinner they go to bed they go to bed like eight o'clock i don't do a set until 10. so i leave

the house after that and then you know i can go there my wife is happy to get rid of me i go to the comedy store i hang out and then i so it works i got it down to a science nice yeah i wanted that's the life that i wanted unfortunately my wife left well you were talking about that if you want to talk about that i do i don't care because it's kind of a crazy story i actually say this on stages on my netflix oh really yeah yeah and my wife left me

for a cult she joined a cult it was crazy it was bro it was man but it's like one of those self-help cultures yes but it is a cult there's a lot of cults it's very dangerous when one person starts telling another person how you must live your life yes these are the principles this is what you have to do you have to leave your family you have to quit your job you have to change the way you dress you have to change the way you talk you have to do this and do that when

someone tells you that and they get a mass group of people to do things like that it becomes very dangerous sometimes it's not that direct right sometimes it's just like okay what was difficult is that her cult was teaching her that you gotta love everybody the same which is awesome if you think about it jesus did that i think was the only one who did that right jesus was the only one who was like i don't care i'm not gonna have kids right i'm gonna date this prostitute over here and that's okay right that was

his life and uh for uh my uh when she she got when you learned that you when you learned that you have to love everybody the same why are you going to focus is just one man in a marriage and you have to go home and you kind of live your life to yourself mm-hmm or maybe she didn't love me anymore and i'm [ __ ] blaming the culture or maybe that could be that too that's what happened some people are very easily influenced you know that that is a real a real issue and i

worry about that sometimes when i talk to people because like some people say hey man they say hey you changed my life i'm like listen [ __ ] i didn't change [ __ ] you changed your life yeah i go i don't even know you i did not change your life don't listen to me all i'm doing is talking to a bunch of people all these people have something to offer everyone has something to offer but it's not me i'm an antenna okay i'm i'm i'm i mean if i'm saying something that resonates with you

and it helps you i'm very happy but don't listen to me like i know everything i think it's awesome that you do that but you because you know the power that these have and how you could actually influence and be influenced in their lives very careful of people that do tell you that they have the answers and they're the one and they're the smart ones and you need to listen to them because that those people are [ __ ] dangerous because they can get you to do things that are irreversible they can get you to

leave your family they can get you to you know to join this [ __ ] commune and give up all your worldly belongings and you realize years later they're [ __ ] crazy like that wild wild country documentary that we were talking about crazy these they didn't real i mean these people were hollywood [ __ ] executives and producers millionaires people that look like on paper they have their life in order and they want to go and wear the red clothes and the beads and and and be a part of this [ __ ] movement

people need a reason to leave people need the explanation for things that they cannot explain and when there's someone that thinks that they know the answers they can they can lie because it's the disease it's not gonna have someone that is going to say if it's true or not yeah that's also the danger of a platform and that's a danger of something like even this podcast the danger of any platform anytime we have one person that's talking in front of a microphone and everyone else is listening it's a it's it's a weird position to be

in and you hear this person through your earphones or through your computer screen and you start thinking that that they're making sense and that they're right because there's no one to counter what they're saying in front of them there's no one with opposing opinions there's no one and you you you can get right and they can get wrapped up in this position of being a leader as well people get intoxicated by being a leader you know being i mean i've seen it with people that just teach martial arts a lot of martial arts classes turn

into like very cult-like places i noticed that especially before the ufc came around because everyone really legitimately believed that their martial arts instructor could kill everyone on the planet everyone really believed that and they're like the 80s and the 90s royce teaches them that it was not true always takes time why is gracie changed the [ __ ] world he really did he changed the whole world and he changed our perception of what martial arts are and what's effective and what's not but before that i mean i grew up in a taekwondo school which was

very disciplined and everything everyone was sir like you would call everyone mr smith or you know mr o'malley everyone mr kim yes sir if someone said something to me i would always say yes sir yes sir and it was always bowing it was very strict and very disciplined and i came from a very good school but i was around a lot of schools that weren't good i saw a lot of very cult-like behavior there was a lot of men who would take advantage sexually of their students and they would you know they would do weird

[ __ ] to their students and they would almost like running a little sex cult you're like kung fu schools that's crazy we all knew about that and some of them wound up going to jail i knew i knew guys that went to jail they went to jail for rape yeah and they there was people that like they were in these positions of power where their students looked at them like a god and they took advantage of it and this is uh this is the same thing it's the same thing as what we're talking about

here when one person has too much power and influence on a platform one of the beautiful things about jiu jitsu is it's informality like when like my instructor john jacques machado he's the friendliest nicest guy he's a world champion i mean he's super respected by all but when you meet him he's like hey how are you it's all hugs and claps and he doesn't ever pretend to be anything and he rolls with everybody it trains with everyone so it's like the informality and the brothership and camaraderie and the family environment that is fostered by brazilian

jiu jitsu is very unique in martial arts and that i think is very important because the respect comes from their their ability and from leading by example it doesn't come from some fake position of being some master of the death touch and some all-knowing person who at the top of the mountain we all thought our instructor could kill everyone on the planet we really did and when the ufc came along for a lot of people that was just a bucket of cold water thrown in your face like i got a letter whoa that little skinny

guy just choked out all those big giant people like what the [ __ ] man so and they were doing that for a long time in brazil like in [ __ ] and going to houses and going to gyms and just kicking people's faces [ __ ] i don't care yeah i mean look they changed what martial arts are they really did they boiled it down to what's most effective and they they took ground fighting and they turned it into this perfect sort of blend of leverage and technique and knowledge and repetition and training and

and they just they revolutionized joint manipulation and strangling people they revolutionized it they changed it into it's a totally different thing there was always submissions in judo there was always catch wrestling which had a lot of great submissions that are still to this day but to put it all together like like ilio did and carlos and all the the gracie clan that i mean what brazil did for martial arts is probably one of the single most significant things that's happened in the thousands of years of people fighting each other pretty amazing yeah pretty amazing but

at the same time there was those guys on shoot your box just [ __ ] eating the [ __ ] out of each other getting this [ __ ] out of each other there was a an article that i read recently where van der ler was talking about um the you know he's having difficulty now because you know he's had so many wars he fought for so many years and then he went to some sort of uh conference on uh concussions and cte and he had 13 of the 15 symptoms wow yeah yeah and he

was talking about he forgets things he's impulsive all these different symptoms he had and then the very next thing he said is but i want to fight vitor belfort he went to my talk show and he's crazy he decided not to go like two minutes before he goes and he's changed his mind and he's sweet but at the same time his right wing now he was just uh he tried to go he became a politician really he went to be elected but no nobody voted on him people just liked him people didn't want him to

see on like congress or so that's good brazil gets it because in america it's dangerous now it happens in brazil too does it oh yeah yeah celebrities would run for all of us of course yeah one of our one of our uh one of our most famous congressmen was a big brother oh no that was a big brother and that big brother show is so ridiculous that is the worst way to become a celebrity one of the most watched shows in brazil that's crazy bro i don't think people watch that much here do they i

don't know anymore that they don't think so for sure well the crazy thing was omarosa omarosa who was one of the big she was a big staff she was in the white house yeah before that she was on fear factor i when i was the host know i had a [ __ ] altercation with her on fear factor not a bad one but she accused me of being drunk she was like because i was asking her questions like that doesn't make sense she was joe you're drunk i'm like i'm not drunk you can't just say

i'm drunk she was ridiculous she was the fear factor before the apprentice no she was on something else first before the apprentice i think that was it was she on the apprentice and then fear factor come on yeah was fear factor before the apprentice before she got famous for being on the apprentice she was like the second season maybe uh yeah why did i think she was on another show first and then the apprentice she went to another reality show after the apprentice i don't know who i remember that yeah well the crazy thing is

she went from the white house to big brother she was actually on the first season of the apprentice what year was that [Music] so she was on celebrity fear factor we we had a 2003 2003 okay so she must have been on fear factor like 2005. yeah she's nice though she's just but she was she told me i was drunk i was like what she wasn't elected right she wasn't no no no she was appointed by trump but trump gave so here's what's [ __ ] up here's what's really i was reading an article about

the what the problems with what she did when she was in the situation room and these secured white house rooms she had her [ __ ] phone recording so she's sitting there recording [ __ ] in the middle of these these like totally secure rooms she's recording like trump is talking she's got her phone there hmm interesting and she's recording everything on her [ __ ] phones and she has like hours and hours of footage of recording uh recordings rather which you're not supposed to do it's like you could literally russians and chinese and the

iranians and all the anybody that wants to tune in could hack into her [ __ ] phone turn the microphone on and this is absolute proven technology and they're using that to listen in the middle of the situation room so if there's some sort of top secret [ __ ] that's going on some foreign entity could be listening in through her phone while she's recording i don't think they know ignorance i don't think they need all of that they just call trump and ask what happened i think he'll tell you what happened okay yeah but

i mean he's he allowed her this you know i don't know if she's unstable but she seems a little unstable to that's a such a very dangerous thing to do you're not even supposed to bring your [ __ ] phone in those rooms and for her to be recording recording everything that's crazy it's so crazy right but it's so selfish too like if you are acting in the best you're in a position when you're working for the white house you're working for donald trump he's the president of the united states the biggest superpower in the

[ __ ] world and you're just recording things like god i know that you want to serve yourself i know you want to help yourself out but god that seems so crazy i mean if you were trump and you hired her and you found out she was recording everything in the situation room you must be like oh like in conferences with like like they're talking about important policy and she's got a phone recording and anybody could be listening but if you think about it like it's crazy for him to he to give her some some

credibility yeah because she was an apprentice then you think about it okay the president of the united states is the guy that was running apprentice so it's a lot of things that's he liked her maybe she felt like well look she's very articulate she's a good-looking woman she knows how to speak well she's got a lot of confidence and power he probably figured she'd be a great politician perfect i'm a great politician he's probably like i'm the [ __ ] president i'll make her she'll she's going to be my my left-hand lady or right-hand lady

and it's not that that difficult but at least in brazil it's not that difficult for famous people to get elected in when they were running for a congressman because there's so many options that if you are known and you get like one percent of the voting you're already elected but if you go run for like a mayor or like a governor a governor or something it becomes a little tricky because there's like five options and now you're running against real politics real politicians who actually have a plan yeah so if you're running against like 200

people you can shine a little because you're famous yeah we're starting to see a little bit more that in america like cynthia nixon she was on sex in the city and then she ran for which he ran for governor new york right oh yeah yeah so there's there's a few of that a few that are starting to branch off into politics now it's i don't i mean did it happen before ronald reagan because he was like yeah he's the most famous he i think he he was a movie star he was a bang bang right

yeah he was the first guy that joking back to the future you mean like ronald reagan the movie star yeah that was uh that was the first he was the first he was also the first that introduced the option or his his cabinet was the first they they got the people that his his team got the people from the religious right involved religion was not really a big part of voting before ronald reagan but ronald reagan and though that sort of kind of republican they got all these evangelical christians and evangelicals okay yeah it's the

same thing in brazil yeah so what is going on with brazil now with your president yeah there's a huge connection between politics and the church right now the evangelicals and it wasn't that way before it was a little bit it was always something because brazil was a very evangelical country right i don't know if you ever watched like you were watching at the middle of the night and you turn on your tv and there's this guy talking that he was like oh there's a demon that is running over my soul and there's like those tv

shows called stop suffering yeah by the suffrage okay it's more like for the mexican audience this church is everywhere so it is joel osteen in america i don't know what it is he's a big-time evangelical christian he sells out these giant arenas like 50 000 people yes yes but it's very uh it's it's it's huge in brazil and they have like i don't know 40 percent of the people is evangelical in brazil i don't have the numbers right now but they sure the religious is something huge over there so uh it was something that's why

we didn't evolve in a lot of different discussions like talking about uh abortion is not legal in brazil not legal at all at all wow just if you're raped just if you're raped or if your kid has like a deformity deformity then you can uh have an abortion the woman's life is threatened yes that's the only cases wow and that discussion was never never happened because everybody is religious if you do like uh how do you say when you go public and you ask something to the people like do you have this here it's just

like you have a kind of a test we have this in brazil i don't know how do you say this in english a test yeah it's just a test so are you against abortion or you're a poll a poll poll okay like an opinion poll yes i'm my second language so right sometimes it's miss award or two yeah that's my only language so if we do a poll in brazil people will be against abortion against the legalization of abortion and against drugs like selling drugs and everything what about um morning after pill uh no it

is you can take that you can't get that okay okay i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know you i bought some so i didn't yeah in pharmacy so it's okay i think though i don't know i don't know but you can uh abortion is not legal in brazil right so we are not having that discussion because now the president's connected to the church our ex-president called lula he's in jail right now he's in jail he was in jail he was involved in a huge corruption scandal scandal and he was like

our hope because he was a poor guy so it was a government that actually helped the poor in brazil what happened with him was he was involved he he had connections with different companies and different uh uh industries was giving him money and they have this thing called cachadois is when you're doing a campaign you need to say how much money you're getting from all those different brands and everything so there's thing called cachadois which is you get money you spend the money there's never went on any banks or anything like that so it's kind

of fun you hide that money that wa that happens a lot in brazil i don't know how to say this in english but it's something that you hide the money that you're getting for a company but if you get elected you kind of forgive them favors right you help them to get like involved in a construction a huge construction they're going to build a stadium then you help them somehow right that was what happened in brazil so he's in jail now he's in jail and then he he elected a woman in brazil and she was

impeached oh and now we have this right-wing guy called bolsonaro he's our new president and a very right-wing and connected to the army and connected to the church so there's a lot of discussions and abortion and drugs and everything that we are not going to have is he popular yes he is huge is he popular and also like hated he is a lot as well yeah of course there's the left hate the guy yeah did the things that he said he was like he was kind of crazy but you know people people love saying how

long has he been the president he's gonna be for four years so he was just elected he started january oh okay he just started and we don't know what this is gonna lead us but the thing is at the same time he's more liberal because the left in brazil all this talk about freedom of speech and everything else was in our left was running the country now we got this guy and he is more liberal and even talking about the way he's going to run the country the economy and politics and speech and everything else

so there's a little hope in their area as well so it's kind of tricky because it's a danger in one area and it's kind of a hope in another one i wish i was saying this in portuguese it would be so much easier yeah you don't even imagine i can't understand because it's like an understanding well listen brother um let's do a show together my friend anytime listen i i'm doing a lot of shows at the improv the comedy store i'll have you on one of those thank you my friend i that's cool and uh

i just want to say thank you for everything you've done for stand up in brazil i think that's amazing thank you thanks for doing this my brother thank you thank you thank you very very much father all right thank you we'll talk soon bye [Music]