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[Music] [Music] hi everyone Judge Andrew napalitano here for judging Freedom today is Wednesday January 22nd 2025 my dear friend Scott Ritter joins us now Scott I want to spend some time uh exploring your thoughts and observations about uh Ukraine uh in the era of President Trump but before we do uh I I have to ask you questions about Israel is this a ceasefire or just a inauguration pause well I think it's a ceasefire um at least the I believe Trump wants it to be a ceasefire what it turns out to be we don't know um

but you know Israel this isn't a a gimmick by Israel Israel was compelled to do this against its will uh the Israeli government has paid a heavy price uh you know the Coalition uh that Netanyahu the governing Coalition is is collapsed Ben gav um the extremist U Minister has resigned taken his party away um not only that but you know by the last thing that yah who wanted was to bring these hostages home under these under these terms because uh he is under a Judicial attack right now attack is I mean rightfully so he's be

the Israeli courts are coming after him for breaking the law for lying to the Israeli people for misusing classified information to deceive the Israeli public about the hostages the fact is every hostage that died in Gaza was killed because Israel wouldn't allow them to come home Israel could have taken this deal that it has here at any time uh but it didn't and be that's not because of Hamas it's because of Netanyahu and so if this was a gimmick I mean Netanyahu is paying a huge price for this now he apparently has been given a

green light to clean up the West Bank and so some people say well you know he's trading the ceasefire in Gaza for you know moving forward in the West Bank but you know that may come back to bid him as well um but I think the Trump Administration is serious about bringing it into this fight because look is what's happened Trump now doesn't have to worry about going to war against Yemen because the yemeni linked the ceasefire to their cessation of ballistic missile attacks and against Israel and attacks on uh Israeli shipping so that comes

to an end um there's no reason for Hezbollah now to continue the fight in defense of Hamas because there's a ceasefire Iran likewise is disengaged this creates opportunities for um you know for peace and uh that's the Strategic goal and objective of of trump now how Israel spins this is is Israel's business but I have a feeling that there's going to be continued pressure placed on Israel not to violate the ceasefire in Gaza do you uh accept what our friend Phil geraldi has written about Chris Hedges has written about it as well and that is

the Steven witcoff articulated side deal which is that if the IDF goes back into Gaza for any reason even offensively that is ostentatiously violating the ceasefire uh the US will back them uh if Netanyahu wants to extend the settlers you just alluded to this uh by force in uh the West Bank the US will back them and this horri ific NSO Pegasus thing the zero click software uh which Joe Biden stopped from being introduced into the United States and forced the FBI to um mothball uh would have the sanctions lifted on it and the Israelis

can sell it here this is the most pernicious software out there you're probably familiar with the way it works do you accept that the existence of that side deal Netanyahu has alluded to the fact that he has transcripts of conversations uh that reflect the first two talking points I'm not so confident as about the U the the Pegasus software because we're I can't imagine the National Security establishment greenlighting Israel's ability to blanket collect on on Americans um I mean this is not a uh we know that Israel spies on us on a regular basis we

know Trump Administration knows that as well and so um to sit there and say well we know you're spying on us so here let's help you spy on us more efficiently I have trouble with that but the first two um I'll modify the first statement it's not that Israel can go in any time I believe that it is if Hamas violates the ceasefire and Israel is compelled to return to Gaza that the United States will back Israel's decision to do that and whatever tactics Israel employs that we won't tie their hands U but I don't

think because then there's if it is oh Israel can do anything at once then there's no reason to have a ceasefire um I do believe that the the ceasefire is serious and that if Hamas abides by its obligations that the Trump Administration will not Greenlight um an Israeli offensive back into Gaza does the US foreign policy establishment do the Zion ists in the US foreign policy establishment which is many of them maybe most of them understand that Netanyahu is not worthy of belief or trust all first of all let's start with the chief the Zionist

in Chief the president of the United States he knows that why do you think he reposted uh Jeffrey Sachs U damning commentary on Netanyahu he knows the truth about Netanyahu um I I I think that many of the pro-israeli pro Zionist elements within the United States government within the Trump Administration have a similar uh approach towards Benjamin Netanyahu he is a liar a cheat he's not a friend of the United States and when you're operating at that level you know you do get access to The Counter Intelligence briefings about what Netanyahu does against the United

States of you know ostensibly behind our backs he's not a friend of America and everybody in power knows that but what they're doing is they're separating their disdain for Netanyahu the man with their support of Israel the nation in Zion has he overplayed his hand has he just U sucked dry Too Much from the US I think so I think he's uh at the point right now where uh he's a he's a useful tool but he's no longer a friend and an ally is is Trump going to be under his sway the way Biden was

no look Trump like I said he reposted Jeffrey Sachs condemnation of Netanyahu um it's the other way around look in the first in the first term Trump was very much under his sway Netanyahu uh briefed Trump and and sort of owned Trump got inside Trump's head U but I think Trump in the intervening time learned a lot about Netanyahu and uh and and how he operates and understands that Netanyahu is not his friend and think Trump um today is viewing Netanyahu as a useful tool but not a friend or an ally here's uh an ally

of Donald Trump who will be whispering in Trump's ear on an almost daily basis and he wants Trump you'll know who this is to bomb Iran cut number four this war will never end with Hamas in charge of Gaza right politically are militarily their days are numbered and the next question for the world is what do we do about the Iran nuclear program that's where we're going to move to next there's diplomacy there's a one in trilon chance you'll degrade the Iranian nuclear program through uh uh diplomacy there's a 90% chance you'll degrade it through

military action by Israel supported by the United States so the next topic I will be engaging in with President Trump is to take this moment in time time to decimate the Iran nuclear program because they're so exposed help Israel deliver a knockout blow what does that mean you're going to urge him to have Israel bomb Iran's facilities that are underground and would require US Military Support to actually have be effective I'm going to urge the decimation of the Iranian nuclear program I don't think diplomacy works this is a relig religious Nazi regime they want to

destroy the Jewish State they want to purify Islam and drive us out of the mid East it would be like negotiating with Hitler I am hoping there will be an effort by Israel to decimate the Iran nuclear program supported by the United States and if we don't do that it will be a historical mistake man he gets worse with the passage of time yeah I think he did he didn't read the memo um Trump is moving away from U imperialistic Wars of choice uh you know this entire Trump ran on a platform that said we're

going to get out of these uh war entanglements in the Middle East that the policies of us going in and playing policemen are failed policies and we don't want that Lindsey Graham didn't get the memo or if he did he's just so hate filled that he um that he just refuses to go there's not a snowballs chance in hell that Donald Trump's gonna do anything that Lindsey Graham just said not a snowball's chance in hell everything's moving in the other dire know that BB will try and drag Trump not at all it won't even start

the conversation won't even begin because first of all Israel can't attack isra uh Iran without us and we're just not going to play that game uh and I'm pretty sure we're on record with Netanyahu that that's just not going to happen Trump has said go back in in in in in the campaign that he wants to have negotiations with Iran about their nuclear program that lead to the lifting of sanctions and the normalization of relations that's the president of the United States that's a man who was just sworn in you know who wasn't sworn in

is the commander-in-chief the of the United States of America Lindsay Graham Lindsey Graham is a hate filled I'm not gonna say it but you know what I mean um he he is the a horrible American a horrible human being and I don't know why the people of South Carolina keep voting him into office uh but he is he's he's a pimple on the bottom of History right now that's it that's his only function there's nothing about what said in terms of U you know Israeli policy that's going to come true that's the exact opposite direction

that President want Trump wants to lead the United States are Israel and Iran preparing for war against each other as we speak Scotty no the fact is the head of the Iranian uh revolutionary um command just came out and said uh that for instance operation true promise three the massive 1,000 missile attack everybody you said that's off off table we're not going to do that we're not looking to have a war with with Israel that's not what we want to do and right now they're the the Iranian president uh has the concurrence of the supreme

leader Ali K to pursue uh diplomatic discussions with the United States with an eye of um bringing this nuclear Isel under control to the point where the United States can begin lifting economic sanctions that's the Strategic direction that Iran wants to go into that the United States wants to go into and Frankly Speaking Israel at this point in time also wants and look even the Israelis are saying after the collapse of Israel project Iran which was their giant project that benj Netanyahu has been promoting since 1995 um that's no longer important Israel is now talking

about turkey and the threat the long-term threat that an a Resurgence of adamism Ottoman his resur of the Ottoman Empire in Turkey would represents um and that I think there you're seeing a strategic shift in in Israel as well so Lindsey Graham once again is just out in left field and um I I I just I'm dismissive of the the television anchor that was questioning him I'm afraid I don't know who she is she had an implication in one of her questions I want wonder if it's correct she implied that the Israelis would be unable

to destroy the uh Iranian underground uh development of nuclear materials without us Aid is that true that is 100% correct okay now to um a cut on tape that I think you will have the opposite view of as we segue into Ukraine Trump and Putin Chris cut number eight we've heard his commitment to do everything to prevent World War three of course we welcome this approach and we congratulate the newly elected president of the United States on his inauguration we have never been against dialogue we have always been ready to maintain peaceful relationship with any

American Administration I have said that many times we would love to see we like to see the dialogue built upon equality mutual respect considering the common positions on our country on a number of international issues including strengthening security and political stability we're also open for dialogue with the new US Administration on the Ukrainian conflict the most important thing here is to eliminate the fundamental reason for the conflict that's the most important and as for settling the situation itself its goal should be not a brief ceasefire not just getting some time to regroup and rearm and

carry on the conflict but long-term peace based on respect to lawful interests of all people and nationalities living in the region and of course we're going to fight for the interests of Russia and its people this is actually the goal and point of the special military operation that is a serious Diplomat a serious leader articulate clear crisp open-minded no doubt about it I mean there's a reason why Vladimir Putin is the leader he is there's a reason why Russia is where it is today uh is he perfect no has Russia made mistakes of course but

but um the bottom line is Russia has never deviated from its strategic objectives its stated strategic objectives when it comes to the special military operation and those strategic objectives remain the same today Ukraine will never be a member of NATO and N never means never not in 10 years 20 years means it will that's the Kellogg that's the general Kellogg nonsense we'll we'll delay their entry for 10 years that's a nonstarter and and the general must know that by now everybody knows that by now now even even Trump but the general keeps repeating the propaganda

two there won't be a frozen conflict if you saw well you know Putin was very diplomatic and he said you know we're not looking to have a ceasefire uh so people can rearm Russia has through you know tremendous cost to itself achieve the Strategic initiative and uh in dominance in this conflict a war of attrition um where Russia has achieved the the the the the you know mathematical dominance over Ukraine Russia has won the war of attrition Ukraine today is collapsing on the front line um and Russia will continue to keep making the advances that

it's making there's nothing Ukraine can do to stop it there's no amount of equipment or Manpower that can be brought in to stabilize this situation the attrition machine is so much in favor of Russia right now that it just grinds away whatever the ukrainians throw at it why would Russia stop the conflict and allow a re set so everything Russia has sacrificed for over the course of the last three years will be thrown away Russia's just not going to do that there will be no ceasefire uh until the terms that are acceptable to Russia have

been agreed to Russia is not going to stop in a good faith measure and let Ukraine rebuild let the West rearm let NATO think that it can intervene right now the entire West is off balance because of the the victories being won by the Russian forces by the supremacy of Russian defens industry um by the superiority of the Russian economy and so Russia is not going to concede any of these advantages U for to allow the president United States to get a politicized talking point if Trump is serious about peace Frankly Speaking he he needs

to fire Keith Kellogg or at least silence him and bring in better advisors um hey Trump if you're listening call me okay I'm more than happy to talk to you about I wish he would I wish he would call you uh um the show was Face the Nation the questioner was Margaret Brennan she asked a great question uh and that was Vladimir for those listening on audio only that of course was President Putin on the day of Trump's inauguration yesterday uh Trump said the following uh about the war in Ukraine cut number 13 president zalinski

would like to have peace he's told me that very strongly he'd like to have peace but it takes two to tango we'll see what happens we will you meet with President Putin anytime they want I'll meet I'd like to see that end millions of people are being killed and they're being killed it's a vicious situation and they're now largely soldiers a lot of people's people have been killed in the cities they look like demolition sites the thing with Ukraine is that many more people died than you're reporting you're not reporting the real numbers and I'm

not blaming you for that I'm blaming I'm blaming maybe our government for not wanting to release those numbers many more people died than what you know about do you know what he means when he says many more people died than what you know about he doesn't even know what he means with all the respect president he's repeating garbage numbers uh given to him by Keith Kell Keith Kellogg you know has said that 700,000 ukrainians and over a million Russians have died well there's no evidence for that not the million Russians look the the the BBC

and Medusa who are not pro Russia Pro have done um a deep dig into you know Russian obituaries and what we can get from this data which roughly correlates is that around 990,000 Russian soldiers have from the ministry of Defense have been killed in the fighting since the special military operation began just to put this in perspective the United States you know lost 58,000 Americans in 10 years of fighting Vietnam and that's National tragedy so in three years Russia's lost 90,000 now this doesn't include the uh casualties from the um the detet republic or the

legance Republic from Vagner or from non- Ministry of Defense sources if you add up the total number of dead for the Russians you're getting in the area of around 15,000 160,000 debt you can add on to that say three times that number you're probably looking at a number um around 500,000 wounded so a total of between 650 700,000 casualties toal total for Russia that's huge it's a big deal but it's not it's not a Million Dead the ukrainians on the other hand um we we're talking about a minimum of 700,000 dead possibly up to 1.1

Million Dead and then you add onto that the wounded and you know we're talking about multiple Millions that's the number that Trump might be saying we you know are being under reported but the fact of the matter is it's Ukraine that's suffered the Casual there's a reason why Russia is winning the war of attrition and it's because they're killing more Ukraine Ians right what is the status of the Ukrainian and NATO backed incursion into ksk well I mean they you know they put their best trained and best equipped troops into this effort uh and they

have dug in and so the Russians are you know doing what the Russians do which is a slow attrition based um you know approach towards eliminating uh Ukrainian positions if you take a look at the rate of advance in K it matches the rate of advance some of the most heavily defended uh sections of um of of of of the detet Republic where the Russians are still you know advancing slowly a kilometer here a kilometer there a kilometer here that's what the Russians are doing in KK Russia will liberate all of KK but they're not

going to sacrifice uh you don't win a war of attrition by giving the enemy an opportunity to kill you and so you know the Russians will use their Firepower superiority to grind down the enemy and slowly push them out of of territories and that's what's happening the Russians are pushing ukrainians out killing Ukraine's just launched a a counter offensive timed with Trump's inauguration everything's political for them the idea is they thought they're gonna come in and and give Russia a black eye and the counter fensive fizzled um you know pretty much the entire counter-attacking force

was destroyed and now the Russians are back to driving the ukrainians back do we know Scott if the United States Department of Defense is still operating under orders issued by Lloyd Austin and uh and Joe Biden to uh deliver uh military equipment to Ukraine or has that stopped since the inauguration there was a report that uh that's gotten a lot of play that um you know the the Trump Administration has Frozen everything and and and relieved the entire team I find that difficult to believe um first of all many of the people imp implementing these

policies are career Military Officers are simply executing orders why would you fire them um the second thing is um that that would be conceding everything to Trump I mean to to Putin basically if if that's true that means Trump has made a decision to freeze uh to to to deny Ukraine critical assistance for a period of you know 30 40 90 days um that would that would be saying we want Russia to win here Trump Trump is trying to be the tough guy say you I mean he issued another statement today uh we can do

it the hard way he said uh well you can't do it the hard way if you freeze Supply and all that so I I think that that report is um is inaccurate what do you think he'll do I mean zalinski can't even run the government if we stop the spigot of cash am I right yeah no zilinski is in a panic I don't know if you saw him in deos he's starting to lash out against the he sees the handwritings on the wall that um it's it's game set match it's over he's already condemning the

United States he's already critical of Europe um you know it it it it's not going to be a good time for zalinski I mean the it's never it's never pretty when these uh these failed Adventures collapse and uh zilinski is the leader of an entity that we created for the purpose of bringing harm to Russia and Russia has succeeded in two in three years in defeating that turning the tables and we're in the endgame status of it it's either going to be a negotiation where Trump concedes everything to Russia that Russia wants or it's going

to be the Russians rejecting any intervention by Trump and gaining what they want through military force one can end the war shorter with fewer loss of lives the other one will take longer maybe even another year but um Russia is going to win no matter what that's where we're at in the stage of thing there's nothing Donald Trump could do to reverse that he doesn't have the defense industry to do it he doesn't have the military to do it he doesn't have the equipment to do it here's a president zinski yesterday uh at his inarticulate

best cut number 10 but will president Trump listen to Europe or will he negotiate with Russia and China without Europe Europe needs to learn how how to fully take care of itself so that the world can't afford to ignore it it's vital to maintain unity in Europe cause the world called the world doesn't care about just Budapest or Brussels it cares about Europe as a whole do you know what he's talking about no he doesn't know what he's talking about I mean he he's trying to create something that doesn't exist which is a an independent

um you know decisive Europe that act free of American influence or direction does he think that Europe will come to his rescue once Trump turns off the spigot I don't know if he thinks that he's uh he's hopeful he's praying he's trying to create the conditions for that but I was listening to other statements he made I think he fully understands what's about to happen that's the total abandonment of Ukraine will uh the US have to replace him since Putin won't speak with him yeah I mean this this thing doesn't end with zalinski in power

that's just a that's a sad reality I I Russia will not compromise on that uh remember Russia and Putin has said this and Trump has alluded to this as well you don't want to create a cessation of hostilities that only that that re re retains uh the underlying you know problems that will only if they're not resolved will lead to a you know the resumption of fighting two three five years from now Marco Rubio the new secretary of state said that as well zalinsky is a problem that if state if left in will only lead

to problems Russia will not allow a zalinsky like government to stay in power Russia wants that government removed and replaced with a government that will uh do Russia's bidding will change the constitution of Ukraine to den naify Ukraine to get rid of the um the Banderas Etc that's the that's the reality and this is a reality that that um Trump is going to have to accept Scotty thank you very much my dear friend your analysis on both hotspots is so uh excellent deeply and profoundly uh appreciated thank you my dear friend well thanks for having

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