Joe Rogan Experience #2214 - Shane Smith

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day fast what's up how are you good to see you good to see you what' you been up to man that's a loaded question I'm doing uh I'm doing a podcast now you are doing a podcast now when did you start yeah yeah uh couple months ago um what made you want to do that just got tired of being on the outside looking in that's that's so that's it yeah you know it's you actually I I'm going

to I'm going to paraphrase you so you got to tell me the exact quote okay but you said um uh covid was a [ __ ] up time and I went in thinking that vaccines were the the the Pinnacle of human technology and came out thinking that the moon landing wasn't real and Michelle Obama was got a dick and and I was like that was me yeah like during Co I was like I became obsessed with so social media and and x and like just looking at [ __ ] and whatever and I'm like you

know what's true what's not true like what's what like because everybody's speaking so forcibly this is what one question I wanted to ask you is you talk to all these dudes all the time one of the things I missed like I would be I would be talking to people and be like they oh this is going on off gasan and i' be like oh I was just there that's not what's happening or you know this is happening is inq oh I was just I love talking to people I love meeting people and I love sort

of knowing stuff like you can just say well I'm going to go there I'm going to figure it out right so I saw all this stuff on social media and I was like wow you know there's all this stuff like but no one's really going after it and saying like as an investigative journalist saying what's real what's not real what's true what's not true right you are there's a few people doing it they're all investigative journalists they're they're all independent they're all completely outside of any kind of Washington Post New York Times yeah the only

way the only way to do it it's impossible to exist in mainstream media and be legitimate now there's going to be there's going to be guard rails there's yeah there's there's no way you talk to everybody and I that must be fascinating because you get the inside track like your brain is like a wealth of information yeah it's it's like I had a an unexpected education yeah you know like an unanticipated unplanned education in all sorts of things yeah and these guys are super interesting and you're you get to learn and that's amazing it's pretty

amazing yeah I mean you learn a lot of [ __ ] too like some of the stuff you learned is not true well that's the problem yeah I got a question yeah Bobby Kennedy seems to be like so like like so fast like I remember I used to watch Tony Blair during question period and he'd like leap up and he'd be like blah blah blah and he was so like he knew everything and the facts and stuff like you've interviewed him a bunch of times or I've talked to him many times I interviewed him once

is he that good in person oh yeah yeah yeah yeah he's legit I mean he was an environmental attorney that was his background and you know he's had a I mean a Crazy Life imagine you're 14 years old and your your dad gets killed by who knows but it might be the government you know that's that's my first episode yeah assassinations deep State getting into it well it's a real thing you know I don't know who's doing it or what faction or how small the amount of people are that are involved in Ian imagine if

you're like a legitimate person worker for the CIA and you think that the CIA is trying to assassinate Trump and you're like what the [ __ ] you know or or whoever that's our first episode it's got to be I mean it's got to be a small faction of intelligence agencies that want to do things like like how many people do you think were involved in the Kennedy assassination so there's a guy named Peter Dale Scott who actually wrote the book on the Deep State and brought like the concept over from Turkey to here and

broke it and if you talk to him him so he was really involved or wrote about or covered the they tried to assassinate Castro that was the first American deep State thing which is like by the way it's that's that's factual that's like oh yeah there were the mob and the Cubans and the CIA and they tried to commit many times they tried to kill him they failed yeah and then um you know that sort of morphed and there's all this sort of mix into the Kennedy and Bobby Kennedy uh Robert all right FK uh

assassination attempts that this guy was referencing and you're just like deep state has such negative connotation to it because it's like conspiracy is but you're like when it when it got explained to me by the guys who sort of coined the terms which is you know like there's this the intelligence agencies or the Pentagon career bureaucrats who by the way go back and forth It's a rotating door they go to rathon they go to Boeing they go all they get the contract trillions of dollars mhm and they act in cahoots with each other you're like

yeah that makes total [ __ ] sense of course like it's business relationship business relationship and then if they have something that needs to happen you have all kinds of people who will do that thing for you yes so it it's not why yeah exactly it's not bureaucrats in the yeah it's prob it could literally be one guy who's a top executive or 100 or you know a few people that come to a conclusion and don't even have to say it and then a plan gets hatched yeah and then next thing you know there's a

guy on a roof yeah we're already into yeah I can just see the [ __ ] tweets stop [ __ ] the tweets but it it but for sure like it's like I found that fascinating not only so I started doing like the snipers MH we got the sniper fascinating dude he has the longest confirmed kill 3.5 kmet so we started just talking technical [ __ ] and you're like okay could it be done and the snipers like what do the snipers have to say and then we got the head of the the guy who

trained all the Secret Service people and we got the actually we got Trump's head of security for 18 years personal head of security guy first time you ever talked he was great great guy Keith Schiller and then um uh we got into it and then everyone started talking about the Deep State deep State what the [ __ ] is the Deep State like I know what the Deep State people think is that's the other thing is online everyone has so many giv right you know like in math one plus one just a given so there's

so many giv you're like well let's look at the giv like what is the Deep state I met the I literally went after the guy who coined the phrase and he's like and I'm like oh yeah that sounds completely I mean I know those guys like that sounds completely believable and then so when you believe that then you start saying okay well how do these things look like what do they look like mhm it was fascinating but I mean look I I'm into all this stuff and then you're you're there like all day every day

doing it it must be it's fascinating I love it so that so I did get sick my long-winded answer I did get sick of being on the outside looking in it is fascinating but I like the way I do it because I I get to talk to anybody I want to like I don't have to just deal with things that are disturbing yeah I can you know talk to someone who's a beekeeper I can talk to someone who you know makes cabinets like yeah you made you made your own Empire which is [ __ ]

awesome well just what I'm interested in it just happens to be that a lot of people are interested in these things so it's lucky and it's also because I'm actually interested in it I don't have to have fake conversations like there's no one I have on where I'm like I can't believe I'm talking this you know like well you see that right you see that in like late night talk shows they don't want to be interviewing this person it's too much yeah it's nonsense well Vice when you started Vice it was one of the most

refreshing news sources because it was like these intelligent people that didn't seem like regular journalists they seem like just people that you knew they weren't yeah people right they seem like normal people and yet all of a sudden they're wearing a FL jacket in a war zone they seem like normal people and they're hanging out in a hot tub in Thailand that was it it's like it was normal people that were interested like Vice guy to travel that one with hm's arctic Adventures that is till today one of my favorite videos you guys ever I

[ __ ] love that story because it's amazing you've got this guy that lives in uh you know the most remote human yeah like in this tiny happen and he's been there since the 1970s he doesn't even he saw 911 in a photograph that's all he knows about it he doesn't have any television up there he gets VHS tapes occasionally and watches them on a tiny TV and he just lives in this subsistence lifestyle just fishing and hunting and and living off the land and an intelligent interesting articulate guy you know and he seems way

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know about like what what kind of Jean Pool do they have going not a lot I think there was a lot of in breeding oh God how many people were there I don't know you can look I don't know it's like uh there was six when they found him I think and one was like 80 who was the youngest or something oh God yeah crazy story though yeah yeah so they ran from Stalin just just stayed alive they thought Stalin was like you know still there oh my God yeah is it funny you can't name

a kid Adolf but you can name a kid Joseph there you go isn't that weird no it's a little weird J Joseph was too common yeah Joseph is very common but wasn't Adolf really common with the the Germans I don't know maybe I don't know I mean Joseph Joseph is Joseph is everywhere I know like Bible yeah so yeah no Adolf in the Bible so no didn't make the cut make the cut but when you guys were you know when it was young it was like it was new internet right because internet opened up a

bunch of different possibilities and it opened up possibilities for legitimate independent journalism and legitimate independent thinkers who were really disconnected from the sort of stiff stuffy mainstream perspective of what's going on in life and you guys gave you you guys gave a a completely unfiltered perspective as a normal human who's experiencing these bizarre circumstances in these exotic lands and it was awesome man it was awesome and then now it's this bizarre propaganda machine that's ideologically captured to the point where it's Preposterous like they say things that are just so outlandish and so not in tune

with logic or object AC ity it's it's so strange to see going from what you made to what it is now yeah look I mean I could get into the the nuances which are many and and and boring but basically what happens is you know and I I actually called it from the beginning I said look we're going to get too big and at that point we're going to become the thing that we're we're like we were a challenger brand and we're going to become the status quo and then we're going to get our ass

is kicked a B I said look all internet is now consolidating and and media is consolidating and everybody's consolidating because they have to because there's the big five are taking all the money and we knew it was coming but it came like look I'll tell you another thing in media you know there's not a lot of people picking [ __ ] like you get to pick [ __ ] because you run your own shop you're you're the main but like when you run media it's like people put on what people watch that's the rule like

you just put on [ __ ] and people watch it and then like if you say I want to do this and nobody watches it then you don't get to say I want to do this that often so and we always had a thing where we gave the company over to the interns if we just stayed a Gen X free giveaway we would have never gotten into video In fact when we got into video we were derided by the old guys for selling out because going to online video was seen as a sellout because we

were should have stayed a magazine so we used to give it over to the interns and then the interns just they had a different [ __ ] everything they had a different philosophy they had different subject they had different [ __ ] everything and they were going by the way the traffic was still there and I was the same I was looking at what the [ __ ] is this right the [ __ ] is going on and you know they're like well that's the traffic and your [ __ ] things you like it's no

traffic CU you're an old man so anyway I was semi-retired for a number of years and uh you know look when did you get out I moved to LA uh trying to remember now 15 15 16 around there so I moved to LA because our biggest uh clients were there the biggest platforms were there no one was out there and you know I kids and I was like okay like I'm can move to the country and commute into New York or I can move to LA so I moved to LA and and and that started

a whole that was you know that was not smart in retrospect because you leave and it starts like Game of Thrones [ __ ] and MH and then also quite frankly if you want to know the metaphysical [ __ ] reasons why I can get into it okay all right I love metaphysical there you go um what the best time for vice the time that you're talking about the time that I loved was you know you would go before all the big investors and everything you would go to like Italy right M and you would

get a apartment and you know you get a girlfriend and you find an office and you hire people that look like you or hang out like you or just are cool or whatever and you would build it you would buy the [ __ ] computers on your credit card and you would [ __ ] go to the grandmother's place for [ __ ] lunch and chinua you would like [ __ ] you know figure out all the cool places to hang out with you with your friends and stuff and then you'd have a big party

and everyone would come and advice would be launched then you get on a train go to Sweden and do the same thing you'd live there for 6 months you'd build something it was tangible the mag would come out you'd start shooting stuff and it would be [ __ ] awesome and then when it got to be like you fly in and you meet with lawyers and accountants and it's [ __ ] and then you fly out again the next day it's terrible right right and so when that happened I was like um I want to

do this anymore and I'm not good at it like I was good at building I'm good at at building I'm good at like Founders are not necessarily operators one of the smart things you've done is like just keep your own [ __ ] your own [ __ ] and I got you know my eyes were too big for my stomach and away cuz you're just like I just keep going [ __ ] the big thing too is keep it small keep it small dude keep it small like it's just me and Jamie and we have

a video editor that's not even local he just gets it on the internet and also Jamie's super Good Vibes which is yeah I know he's the best but it's it's the most important I have friends that have big podcasts and they have like this huge staff and they have all these people running around I'm like what do all these people do and it's like they want this feeling of they're the boss of a bunch of employees for some reason like they want all these production people that are creating content but then you have inner office

conflicts and they're always putting out fires and people are complaining and then people leave and make videos talking about what a piece of [ __ ] boss you were and it's like hey man you're you're dealing in this thing where there's currency in that information there's currency for these these mediocre people so you you hire these mediocre people and these mediocre people attack you because there's currency in attacking you but you didn't need them in the first place this whole thing was stupid like you're making a little bit more money but you have more problems

but you don't notice that money like you have to pay attention to what you notice right what whatever the [ __ ] you have in your bank account if you if you're a fairly wealthy person and you have $100 more $100 less $1,000 more $1,000 less you don't notice it but I tell you what you do notice you notice hassle you notice problems those problems are worth a lot of money to get rid of like if you had a bunch of employees like [ __ ] what can I do there's so many people it's so

annoying God I wish we were small again getting back to small again is a grind you got to fire people it's a you got a downsize you got to figure out how to do it that's a mess man you don't want that mess so that extra money that you got by making things too big you [ __ ] yourself you got greedy you you looked at it the wrong like someone said to me like I was in the park on The Comedy Store this friend of mine who's not even very successful was like um I'm

uh trying to find a new assistant I go why do you need a new assistant he goes you don't have an assistant I go no I go this is what you do do less [ __ ] if you need an assistant you're doing too many things do less [ __ ] don't get a [ __ ] assistant you have an assistant you have what happens to David Spade the guy shows up with duct tape and a taser and tries to kill you remember that because they wind up resenting you because if you got some person

who's working for you he's making $50,000 a year and you're making you have $50 million they want to kill you after a while they're like I'm a part of this too you know like they don't think of it as this is a great job this job could eventually lead to something bigger people get resentful also the type of people that are 34 years old are working as an assistant probably a little [ __ ] up probably made some mistakes probably you know not really on the right path in life now a sudden you're connected at

the hip to the this person then they want to tell you about their problems and maybe got an exwife or maybe they got a this and if they're making more money they can make more money so you've you've you've because you wanted to appear like you have a everybody wants a big organization like Vice is big now you know the JRE we've got a thousand employees worldwide we have three employees yeah smart you know Harvard should hire you to teach business because that is 100% of no I'm just saying no that's this business so [

__ ] right like you just said what's in my [ __ ] brain like it's that 100% of that is true everyone should listen to this guy because it is 100 [ __ ] percent true when you're younger run a tight ship run a exactly when you're younger you're like oh [ __ ] and look [ __ ] punk K they came from nothing so like when you have employees there's there is actually a Harvard thing where they say there's a there's a there's a paradox where you hire somebody cuz you want to someone to

help you but they're not as good as you and you hire someone who's not as good as you and they hire someone who's not as good as them so then all this stuff and you have to do more work there's more hassles then you have a whole group of people reporting to you and this is exactly not how to run a business and I even knew that going in and then you hire and you're exactly right and you hire all these people all they need to do is be in the same room as you yeah

and then that's access and once there's access then you're exactly what you said then you deal with their issues and you deal with everything Shane can I pull your aside for a second there's a project that my friend and I are working on really like to get you involved oh but yeah know it got to it definitely got too big and you're exactly right like look you're a wise dude because like you keep it small you're exactly right that's like after having learned what I've learned like we have a tiny little team that makes this

thing and it's super uh like it's like the early days of ice where you're just you're just making [ __ ] and talking to people and chopping it up and doing stuff and trying new [ __ ] out and doing well one week it'll be like this and the other week it'll be like that and we'll just [ __ ] do everything it's so much more [ __ ] fun you're 100% right yeah fun is the most important thing like if you Brian K said this to me once and it's a really great advice he

goes the he goes all you really want is to be able to go to a restaurant and not worry about what things cost yeah everything else is [ __ ] 100% it's true everything else is [ __ ] 100% you get used to cars you get used to houses like I I realized like early on I got an apartment when I lived in North Hollywood it's like the first nice apartment I had but after I was in it a couple of weeks it was just my house yeah just like the house I have now it's

not that much different it's just like you're home okay great what do you need you need a couch you need a TV you need a bedroom you need a kitchen that's all you need hopefully it doesn't stink hopefully it doesn't suck hopefully your neighbors aren't loud hopefully it be nice if you have a view that's cute but other than that I'll go a step further than that is you you I don't know about you but you accumulate [ __ ] right and I cuz I never had anything I like like I [ __ ] I

got into watches you know I got into [ __ ] I got into art then I got like I don't even [ __ ] drive and I got like I got Johnny Cash's [ __ ] car from 1969 what kind of car is that so in 1969 Johnny Cash had uh had the number one show in America and ABC got him a one-of a-kind Rolls-Royce extra long body all all black black mahogany interior and check this out so uh I got it so it was me and Wayne Newton B remember I used to G I

was in Vegas won a bunch of money I was actually had to fly to China and my buddy stayed there and he was me me and Wayne newon uh bidding against uh each other for for Johnny Cash's car and uh and when we got it you know it would was like burning [ __ ] fuel oils just black smoke coming out oh terrible so I I turned it into a Tesla and no yeah yeah yeah it's [ __ ] awesome dude it's awesome we chopped it turned into we kept everything where is this is it

online can I see this thing you can see yeah yeah did you put it online no but there's a p there's picture yeah just show it to you can you send it to Jamie so we can it just pull up Johnny Cash's rollsroyce 1969 it's a black all black Rolls-Royce so I turn it into a Tesla redid the whole interior [ __ ] who did that for you I'd have to get the [ __ ] the name oh look at that what with Johnny Cashville about his Rolls-Royce getting I think you'd [ __ ] love

it because I was out with Rick Rubin in that car yesterday but that's Johnny Cash not Johnny Carson Johnny Cash right didn't you say Johnny Carson no Johnny Cash you said he had the number one show on TV yeah the Johnny Cash variety hour oh my God I thought you said joh no ABC gave him this car and and yeah had it made into I was with Rick Rubin in that yesterday we were driving around in it uh it's and it drive it's so [ __ ] fast and it drives like a [ __ ]

crazy boat wow you got to come out yeah drive it [ __ ] it's awes that's so you took a Tesla Model S and converted it yeah SE are the dudes who did it wow and we redid All That wood now so it's all the original black mahogany from from so when the batteries go bad you can just swap the batteries out plug it in no you just plug it in no but eventually the batteries will deteriorate to the point where you'll get really low mileage you probably get low mileage already right that thing's heavy

as [ __ ] it's heavy as [ __ ] yeah God that's you must had to upgrade the brakes in a big way right yeah because it's very heavy yeah [ __ ] beautiful car though this is such a good car cuz when I came out to LA I'm like I'm going to get a [ __ ] Brown AG the Christy Rolls-Royce and an MS13 driver with like the full 13 and like a safety am I late for the party hello and so and so I got this one and I'm just it's [ __ ]

awesome wow that's so cool they're doing there's you ever heard of the company called evera yeah they're uh they they do the electric the swap overs yeah they do swap overs for I know they do Porsches I think they do a Mustang as well but they take these classic cars the problem is like you you're not supposed to do that you're not supposed to do this thing was [ __ ] I I will say this this I don't have any desire to have one of these things but I think they're dope as [ __ ]

they're dope asck like but the thing is like for me I see that oh that's disgusting get that off the screen I see that that just disturbs me to No One you took a GT40 and turn it electric the thing about those old cars is the mechanical feel and that is 90% of the experience of driving one of those old cars well this car barely ran like the pro it was [ __ ] yeah but you could have modit you could rest modit anyway I love the thing is like they're supposed to have I I

could see doing it with Johnny Cash's card it's kind of funny but you do to that you should go to jail yeah you do that to a GT40 you should go right to jail what's the horsepower as it is it's pretty good right well not really originally you know this is the this is Ferrari versus Ford this is the original car I actually have the next version of that which is the Ford GT I have one of the 2005 ones that's a stick shift I I feel like drive a car like that you have to

drive a manual can only goes 160 Mi right and that's if you're driving like a grandma but it has 800 horsepower it's probably fast as [ __ ] you know electric cars are different than any other car in terms of the speed that you get and the the way it feels you just go but there's no sound there part that car is that's that car it's like that car is like visceral it's exciting there's a there's an engine behind you you it's like let's go baby come on Shane you feeling the turns you want to

feel the bumps you want to feel the [ __ ] steering in your hand the wiggling of the tires yeah it's a ride it's not efficient it's not supposed to be efficient it's an experience it's a sensory overload it's not just Transportation yeah that's why turning one of those things into electric is gross I did it because it was burning fuel was burning blacksmoke barely [ __ ] ran that car fine that car is fine so so so love but but the thing my long-winded answer to that question was I I started I collected all

this [ __ ] like you were saying it doesn't bring you any [ __ ] May me cars for you could drive so I just go you know what all of that [ __ ] I was just talking to Rick about this too like I'm just I'm just going to get rid of it like the more I free myself from that [ __ ] and all that stuff yes you're just like you know what psychic burden I used to go speaking of the old days of ice I had everyone used to laugh cuz I'd go

for it literally years with a backpack and I'd just be like what I cany all I wear is black jeans and a black T-shirt like I would just buy new ones if I need something you just go to a pharmacy one of my to this day I like if I go to a [ __ ] pharmacy in a foreign country I'm stoked because it means I'm getting [ __ ] that I need like shampoo and [ __ ] toothpaste and a little scissors for my nose hairs and [ __ ] and that means like I'm

on top of my game I'm [ __ ] ready to go I got [ __ ] interview people and do [ __ ] because I'm gone to the [ __ ] pharmacy and and and you know to I love going to [ __ ] Supermarket cuz you just like I'm going to buy some [ __ ] food and then we're going to go do some work and it's going to be [ __ ] awesome that sh gives me pleasure [ __ ] a watch or [ __ ] yeah a car or shoes or [ __

] nothing yeah most of those they're cool they're cool I'm I'm interested in engineering and and artwork right and I like that's why I have so much art in this place I love people's expression and I feel like cars are artwork that's how I view cars especially old cars I have a lot of old cars and those old like artco cars like muscle cars MUSC car 1960s to early 1970s muscle cars that's what I love I love them I love them I drive them like they're just it's like I'm an amusement park ride that's how

I feel about them and I just when I was a kid those were the cars that everybody wanted so to me it's like I get a real joy out of those but if I didn't have them I'd be fine if I just drove my Tesla to work every day I would be fine like the level of happiness you get in terms of of like how much you have to work for some things it's not worth it it's not worth it too many people strive for this thing that doesn't give you anything back yeah it's just

this thing that's hard just cuz something's hard to get doesn't mean it's good to get and there's a lot of things that people strive for that are difficult to achieve but they're not valuable when you get there no and speaking of psychology yeah like you talk about old muscle cars the the car I Learned to Drive was my grandmother's car that she gave to my cousin when I was 13 he was 16 or something he taught me how to drive and it was a Nova SS like it was an old like [ __ ] so

so good I have a 69 it's so beautiful I have a 69 that has been completely redone by this guy Steve stro so nice and it's uh it's the craziest NOA ever this one this one's incredible because Resto mod it's understated it's not like it's a Powerful Beast and it's badass looking but it's not like not like a Ferrari like you know Ferraris can be beautiful it's different it's it's a different Flex yeah you know the the Ferrari you just have money that's my that's a Nova that's mine that's my 69 Nova love it look

at that [ __ ] that's like exactly hers was gold I still remember that Nova is like it's got 1969 Camaro fenders so they they made it like wider so they could fit larger tires and tubbed it out it's all custom it has a supercharged lt4 that's what was her engine did not look like that yeah that's a it's a very efficient driving car but it's just so fun yeah it's just like you drive that thing it's just this experience of sounds and and to me it's like those cars are the ones that resonate with

me you know so I have but if I only had one I would be fine I just like them every now and then but they're not they're not the thing they're not the end all be all they're not family friends love Community there's all these things that people put those objects above they put above everything in your life you strive for that thing because it's a symbol of success yeah and it's nonsense so I had a speaking of psychological damage as for things I uh grew up poor but went out with a very rich girl

and it was her birthday right we were in France it was her birthday and her uncle had forgotten her birthday and so he's like oh here you know take my watch kind of thing and they're like no no no like you know that watch is like $50,000 watch whatever and I was like there's no [ __ ] watches worth $50,000 like $50,000 like that like a watch and it was like a classic pek [ __ ] moon face whatever and I remember clocking the watch and when I got money I became obsessed with the classic

pect which is now like 500 Grand not 50 Grand the moon phas and uh that's so crazy that a watch is $500,000 oh some of them are like $5 million I mean isn't that nuts yes and so like those Rashard melee watches yeah I mean the the the most expensive are still protects but yeah like those ones are I mean rare ones like I I was obsessed with so I like the Paul Newman Panda but they have like the lemon or the champagne Panda which is the Gold version of that which which they made like

four of and I want I was chasing that down and now I'm like what the [ __ ] you can't [ __ ] wear it right like every place I go you can't [ __ ] wear any of those and like I was flying here and you can't put it through security you know so what the [ __ ] you what Fu why can't you put it through security like you think they would snatch it oh watches get snatched all the time yeah but then go where's my watch yeah it's just like it goes through

the little thing like how fast people it's not happened to me although I have nearly lost them many times cuz you know you get you have a few als's on the plane and take your [ __ ] off and put it in the box and then you some oh no I've never done it but I it's been close calls but there's so many St in the watch World about you're going through customs you're going through security you're going to somewhere someone takes your [ __ ] I've had a lot of people be like how much

as I watch and you're like uh it's fake I would just say it's fake anyway so I'm getting rid of all that [ __ ] just because you're like [ __ ] it doesn't [ __ ] mean anything yeah and what actually does mean [ __ ] is like like you were saying like you know learning [ __ ] educa like like making [ __ ] but also at the same time like going like I'm learning [ __ ] it's fun gets me fuing happy I'm [ __ ] back talking to you I'm it's like

it's it's [ __ ] interesting it's good for your brain positivity you know yeah it's good for your mental health good for your mental health it's also it's what life is about life is about growth it's about learning it's about experiencing things and when you get an opportunity to talk to someone like I talked to this woman the other day Diane Boyd She Wrote This Book a woman amongst wolves she spent her entire life tracking wolves and and and handling them and cering them and studying them and she lived in a cabin in the woods

for years by herself with no water and no electricity love it yeah fascinating like just like you're a totally different type of person than I ever experienced what's your life like what do you do like what do you think about this you think about that I love Wolves yeah I mean it's to me there's so many opportunities in this life to be stimulated by exciting and interesting things where you can learn about stuff 100% And if you can figure out how that's your job and not just some that you do on the bus on the

way home but it's actually your job that's that's a good life definitely I mean for me that's what I love doing I like talking to people and I like learning and I like you know if you're learning [ __ ] then other people obviously do podcast year they're learning and it's just it's it's an awesome thing to be able to do is there a way to do something like the original Vice but just keep it small never let it grow like listen the Vice news right now is me and I'm I'm making podcasts I'm doing

[ __ ] that I find interesting is it still Vice do you call it Vice yeah I mean Vice are you still one of the owners like how does it work I mean it's it's complic you don't have to get in the woods if you don't want to it's complic I mean it's complicated I'm not like I I I was the largest shareholder and then I went to owning nothing I lost the most out of anybody not that I'm asking anybody to [ __ ] cry for me anything it was actually a good thing cuz

you you you like when you realize a lot of the stuff about happiness and stuff you realize it not when you're cash checks you lose you know not a c see never a good Captain made you know um but yeah throughout the all the you know the the changes basically I was still in the in the backdrop you know just around why didn't you sell when it got at the top why didn't you get rid of all your shares that's the whole the whole thing about I did I sold some and and and you know

took some money off the table which is why I could semi retire um but everyone like you know oh Shane you could have sold should have sold he he said no he said I've never said no my money in my whole [ __ ] life I was building viice to sell it I never [ __ ] said no that's all [ __ ] horeshit we tried to sell it to time order tried to sell it to Disney it was just like you know at the when Disney said no we went into private equity and then

you know that relationship is never good so well it's the old adage go woke go broke and that's what happened with Vice people stopped they just sto Vice is one of the best examples of go woke go broke ever because Vice was [ __ ] huge and it was exciting it was interesting you know you had great shows and then it just got too weird yeah I mean yes media and media got weird and look everyone's looking at for us and then we can get on other [ __ ] but you know who left the

[ __ ] port hole open of the Titanic you're like yeah it hit a [ __ ] Iceberg not just us you know look at all the New Media like right it five five five companies take up 87 cents of every advertising Dollar in the world and Independent Media gets the rest and it's getting smaller and smaller the money dries up and when the money dries up you start getting frantic right you start [ __ ] flailing around looking for [ __ ] whatever you start looking for Solutions other people start looking for Solutions young

people start [ __ ] saying this is what we got to do this is what you got to do you got 5,000 people saying what we got to do rather than five mhm and you got people who are semi checked out if not checked out and you know [ __ ] got set nobody's [ __ ] it's my baby nobody got [ __ ] more sick about it than me but you're like okay you know so now you know we're doing Vice news is me we're doing the podcast we're doing it's fun again we're just

[ __ ] building trying to do new [ __ ] with [ __ ] Ai and with some other this fun and uh but yeah I do I do other [ __ ] on my own and yeah you know look the other thing too is I also spent time living my life which I hadn't been doing I'm sure you you do out here like you got to go and you got to live your life again and you have to live your life you have to live your life did this the idea that your career should

be your whole life is foolish it really foolish it's foolish and I learn that time you don't have much time you don't have that much time I was talking to somebody you're Gen X Gen X yeah I got 67 what's that you're Gen X yeah I was saying to someone because we were the Forgotten generation and everyone like I was shitty and I was saying to someone if you look at you know the Carl San thing of like we live in the greatest envelope of History ever like of the billions of planets and the billions

of years of this planet like we live in this final time when there's oxygen and there's water and you can [ __ ] eat and you can [ __ ] you know and then I'm like okay if you look at that and then go the best ever time has been like our little window like you're born in the 60s grw up in the 70s [ __ ] free to go play in a creek and [ __ ] you go hunting and fishing and all that [ __ ] and then you know no parental supervision then

but there's never been like a major [ __ ] War we're not getting pitchforked in the stomach you know food has been like for the first time really in history food is now everywhere is good for every kind of you know like quality wise you know MH uh travel luxury [ __ ] international travel like being able to do freaky jobs rather than work in a factory like all these [ __ ] things happen for Gen X and God knows if it happens again because AI is going to be all human endeavor done by machines

and environmental [ __ ] and [ __ ] you know the the world is changing in ways we can't even [ __ ] imagine I have young kids and you my all the parents were clucking like hands about fck they not learning math you're like it's AI is going to change [ __ ] everything and so so I'm like was talking to someone I saying it's it's ironic but Gen X actually lived in the greatest historical window of all time potentially and so I'm not going to just [ __ ] not enjoy that I'm going

to go out there in life and just be like I'm literally living in the greatest single [ __ ] window in the history of History we most certainly have and we've lived in the greatest time of uh technological change in human history we we started out like you and I can remember when phones were attached to the wall yeah I remember when it was a we had to spin the wheel phone call you got a call and if you [ __ ] up like God damn it you hang up start from scratch took a long

time to make a phone call Joe there's a phone call for you right and when people would call and you were on the phone it would just be busy yeah when is he getting off the phone and you call him back God damn he's still busy and then it became call waiting oh hold on someone else is calling I got someone else maybe they're more important than you hold please and then he come back and then it was call or ID oh this motherfucker's calling [ __ ] him and then answering machines were the greatest

and when you could get a remote answering machine so I could call my answering machine listen to you leave me a message hey meet me at the bar at 10 and like and I'd call you back and leave a message on your machine hey I got your message I'll meet you at the bar at 10:00 I love that though it was incredible I love that it was incredible I'll see you on Saturday at 8 but we were also free from the confines of social media yeah and social media has brought an incredible amount of information

to people but has Al also created a lot of very mentally ill people would they realize it or not it's like you're getting a low dose of radiation all day long every day it's also addictive yes very very very addictive dopamine hits uh-huh yeah and then it's it could be psychologically very damaging if you read stuff about yourself you know I've had many friends that started becoming successful and then started doing really well and then started reading people's comments about iszy and it drives them nuts it it hurts their feelings it really does I mean

oh poor baby but I mean really as a human being yeah they're human beings and I know that the people look if I was not a famous person I was a a person that you know was like who I was when I was 19 years old I would 100% be leaving shitty comments on YouTube videos and shitty comments on someone's Instagram or Twitter or whatever it's what people do it's normal it's not it's not the people's fault because it's a very disconnected disassociated way of communicating with people that's not congruent it's not like it's not

normal for human communication it's not what we're designed we're designed to do this I'm looking at you you looking at me I smile you smile we're buddies we have a good time that's how people are used to communicating with each other when you're communicating with people through text it's [ __ ] bizarre it's very bizarre it's it's very different and it's not good for you to take in the opinions of hundreds of thousands of people uh that you know may or may not be mentally ill may or may not be you know going through a

divorce yeah having an ax to grind or just look if you're successful in particular there's a lot of un unsuccessful people that are very bitter very sad and they want to find everything wrong with you we were talking about this in the green room last night I [ __ ] loved the new Beetle Juice movie I loved it I read so many bad reviews of it so many bad reviews that it fell flat I had a giant smile on my face the whole time I'm a huge Tim Burton fan I think the guy's brilliant and

I think his movies are so unique because they they have this finger print of Tim Burton on them it's it's like it's so obviously through his mind his vision I think the guy's incredible I love all his films so for me I was like oh this is great when they got to the Soul Train I was like yes I love it this is so Tim Burton and so many people criticized that in particular there was something offensive about the Soul Train like [ __ ] off also people say [ __ ] about [ __ ]

restaurants and [ __ ] everything and I'm like yeah it's [ __ ] great it's a [ __ ] cheeseburger I love cheeseburgers it's [ __ ] good guy from The New York Times wrote a negative revieww about Peter Luger Steakhouse in Brooklyn Peter Luger Steakhouse in Brooklyn is a [ __ ] classic if I'm anywhere near that area I'm eating there 100% that place is Sensational it was near our old Vice office and we when we didn't have any money the the the the hack was you go there order lunch to go and you

order the burger because it's all the ends of the stakes M and the [ __ ] killerb and you take it down to the river and you look at Manhattan and have this it was $5 Burger at the time and you're like this is the greatest [ __ ] lunch in the greatest City I [ __ ] love it here man if I can exactly and I was like [ __ ] New York man this is Peter Luger [ __ ] burger and [ __ ] there's Manhattan we're going to [ __ ] I just

but this review was so toxic and Ari and I had just eaten there we had just been no Ari shafir we had just sorry we had just been there like a month before and we were like what the [ __ ] are you talking about we had one of the best it's also an experience yeah sizzling and butter on it smell oh yeah and the [ __ ] the guys who worked there been there for 35 years out to Peter lugers shout out to Peter lugers I but it's the point it's like even a place

like that that you should you should go there and just take in what you're experiencing you're you're you're experiencing a classic old school Steakhouse that does it exactly the same way every time and have been for like you know forever forever forever but it's just that people even in that will find negativity everything sucks and I think we were talking about this last night that I think this is a symbol of the times we're going through right now because everyone is so anxious yeah the presidential elections are headed and no one knows what the [

__ ] is going to happen or what's the what's the right answer is it better if she gets in is it better if he gets in is he going to be a dictator is she going to crack down a free speech are we going to be in World War II What's happen does Iran have a [ __ ] nuke was that earthquake a nuke or was it just an earthquake you know there's a nuclear test the weather why does God hate Florida like what all these different things like there's so much going on Israel and

Gaza and the Middle East and [ __ ] man so everyone is like [ __ ] Tim Burton [ __ ] that movie [ __ ] this [ __ ] that and [ __ ] that restaurant and it's like it's just this the Zeitgeist is Disturbed we don't have it's not a peaceful time in in our a lot of anxiety yeah yeah and I don't you know I think we're missing out on the reality of our existence which if we lived at any other time we lived in 1924 and you got a time machine to

go to 2024 you'd be like holy [ __ ] this is amazing or 1824 when you go get stabbed with a [ __ ] bayonet and die of gang green over to like it was [ __ ] unpleasant yeah and you're eating s you're [ __ ] all the time cuz every Everybody weigh PB cuz there was no food there's no food and you couldn't drink [ __ ] water because you get the [ __ ] like it it was bad it was bad there's a reason why most people in history were drunk because they

had to drink alcohol because if you drank regular water you'd have [ __ ] poison in it it's like you're getting bacterial and then when we moved to cities we're like you know what now we got to figure it out we'll just put it in pipes this be beautiful lead pipes we'll just put it and every sea pipes everyone's got plastic in their balls well that's the other problem I wanted to talk to you about is uh don't you freak cuz cuz when I first started started studying politics you have to take stats and they're

like there was a southern dude teach me he's like you can have a statistic to prove anything and my thing now is and this is what I became interested in is like all the this is why I start with RFK J everyone has all the stats and then they give stats so forcefully that you believe them like well that sounds [ __ ] thing and the stats about this and there's stats about that and all the stats are bad yeah there's no good stats there's no good stats well there's a good stat in terms of

uh if you look at Society in comparison a society of 200 years ago it's safer musk yeah people are Kinder people are way more it's it's way more educated we understand things more yeah and like if you look at the sort of coefficient of of hundreds of years ago Elon brought that up and I remember looking at that going oh yeah [ __ ] we're doing good yeah which is when I got into the Carl San [ __ ] of we're actually living in the greatest [ __ ] window of all time where's the [

__ ] anxiety coming from and I don't know who said this but I I think it was I don't know who said this but work satisfies uh need desire and Sanity like you you need to work to like for food yeah you know desire cuz happiness is going forward right and then sanity is if you don't [ __ ] work you go crazy this is my fear with universal basic income which I think is inevitable yeah in it's inevitable yeah I think that's the only way we're going to be able to keep people alive my

fear is that we're going to have too much control over those people if we do that and that people those people will have no purpose and we'll have an even more disenfranchised population than we have today and the Hales and the Have Nots will be even further and further apart and and there's no real education that is in school today where you take a child and you say hey look the world is going to change and most of these jobs are going to be useless you're going to have to find something that you love that

resonates with people and if you do that people are going to be willing to exchange that for money yeah whatever it is if you can make cic table a guy named Drew made this table this I know the man who made it he is a carpenter he made a table out of wood we we gave him the specifications I told him I like Oak you're like this is a handmade thing and a handmade thing is always to me is going to be very valuable I love a handmade knife you know I I love I love

things that someone worked on I love a painting like a painting that someone like my friend Taylor Made this it's he painted it he sat down in his Studio painted it and I love that that's always going to be valuable the problem is most people have never been encouraged to pursue their interest they've been encouraged to get a job get safe job and they probably don't even know what their interests are how those interests could stifled right they've been stifled well you're exactly right so so actually when I was spending a lot of time in

Silicone Valley there was a lot of this talk and they're talking about Universal you know living wage or basic wage and I was like what what are you [ __ ] talking about you're going to give everyone a 100 Grand right and they're like well the synthesis of AI is all human endeavor done by machines I'm like wow come on so I was kind of the skeptic you know this is 10 years ago and now all of this [ __ ] has come true they were already thinking about this back then they're because they're also

saying exactly what you said which is let's say Quantum Computing happens and AI at the same time which is probably three years away one quantum computer has enough computing power uh that all the existing computers in the world today right and then you add AI to that so there's a whole new [ __ ] Tech Revolution where it becomes even more rich people who own [ __ ] and and even more so they're like if unless you take care of those people they're going to come cuz we're the Nerds they're going to come with the

Hammers and the currency is going to be bullets it's not going to be chips and so you're it's planted of the Apes you got [ __ ] you know people on one side here and the big brains on the other side and you're like oh they they already knew this they were already thinking this because they're like we're going to buy them off but people are going to go crazy if you buy them off yeah it's not necessarily buy them off it's keep them alive yeah keep okay because people are not going to have any

[ __ ] money and buy them off because they're afraid that they're going to come take I don't think we should look at it that way I think there's got to be a concerted effort to educate people about the possibilities of their life on Earth that you that they've been indoctrinated to think that they have to be a worker how many of these people are out there that are doing masonry work really want to be a painter how many of those people that really wanted to be in a band how many how people there's something

probably that most people want to do one thing the universal basic income will do is if you know you give everybody 100 Grand a year whatever it is you're going to satisfy their they're they're not going to worry about rent they're not going to worry about food yeah so now maybe they can pursue the problem is people get [ __ ] lazy when you give them free money it's just a fact maybe you're right it's not everybody but a lot of people they just exist and they'll just play video games all day and you know

look if we're going to deal with a society where everything is run by Ai and automated that you're going to have to give people money because the extraordinary wealth that's going to be generated by AI is going to make that not that difficult to do especially when you consider how much money we give to other countries already 100% right we' over the last couple years we've given aund what how many billion dollars to Ukraine I think it's more than it's up to 200 billion now yeah something crazy like that that amount of money when you're

dealing with AI when you're dealing with automation just to keep people fed and how like that's reasonable but you're going to have to figure out a way to give people purpose and and that's going to have to be a revamping of the education system that's exactly right it's a revamping of the education system because you're saying well all of these we were we were and this is another great thing on genx but we were built to be workers we were you're supposed to get Universal education is supposed to just be enough so you can be

a good worker and a good taxpayer and you get a job and then by the the way you you get out of college and you're you already have debt then you buy a consumer durable you buy a [ __ ] car you buy a yeah a washing machine and that's you know we'll give everybody that but we give you debt and then you buy a house and then you're in debt and then you finally get out of debt and then you die right and so you just work work work work work and by the way

you're exactly right you had to get a job Jo o not fun that's just you go and you do it and they you give you money and then you become an adult that's it yeah and then but that's not true because all of this human endeavor is now going to be done by machines and you're like okay now what do you got and and I I agree 100% it's going to be something that we can't even fathom which is what do you really like to do right what do you love doing what do you by

the way building a table is worth more than [ __ ] being a corporate executive well it is if you enjoy it exactly yeah if you have a a business that you actually enjoy doing exactly that's what I'm saying like that's what we have to teach yeah rather than we we have to and there's also this comparing thing you know um I was at dinner the other night and my friend who's friends with his billionaire he's his friend is a billionaire and his friend was comparing his wealth to friends of his that own multiple corporations

and are worth 30 40 billion he's like I'm [ __ ] poor compared to that guy like you missed the whole point you missed the whole point of getting wealthy well you have [ __ ] you money and you're not even saying [ __ ] you you should be on a boat somewhere man you should be marlin fishing you know you should be [ __ ] lying in the sun you should be doing things you enjoy doing you should be taking that trip you always wanted to take that's what you're supposed to be doing you're

not supposed to be keeping up with other billionaires so you're working 16 hours a day on Aderall just so that you could [ __ ] get those stock numbers moving like what well the one yeah the smartest thing anyone ever told me about money was my old man and he said uh life is like a [ __ ] sandwich the more bread you have the less [ __ ] you have to eat this is a guy who the only dude who ever lost money on insider trading he was not giv but uh but but uh

it's true like the one thing the one thing that you do notice when you get a bit of is people are [ __ ] nice to you they're nice to you and when when you don't have money not online not online no but like and then and then and then then and you realize like oh [ __ ] like people like can be like are not nice to you you know in general a lot a lot of times and you're like that that [ __ ] sucks and and like yeah when you get a bit

of money a bit of success or whatever people are a lot [ __ ] nicer and that's the one thing that that you know that that that I remarked upon in my life the rest of it's all garbage the rest of it's all [ __ ] but but but but people being nice and like you know not [ __ ] not sucking yeah is that's pretty good that's nice and having a cushion so you don't have to worry about like I remember the first check I got a real check I got a development deal from

Disney of all people when I was like uh I guess I was like 26 and it was the first time ever I had like a good chunk of money like six figures in the bank and I felt felt weight different I felt weight lifted off me like a physical feeling of w cuz every like my whole life it's like how am I going to eat how am I going to pay my rent how am I going to do this and then all of a sudden I don't have to worry about that anymore and I was

like oh I get it now and I remember this Revelation like okay now I just have to keep this momentum going because once you have a good amount of money where you don't have to worry about money anymore that feel you don't want to get ever get back to that desperation feeling that's a terrible feeling and that's the feeling most people are listening to this exist in that feeling of concern about your bills it's the number one struggle in marriages it's the number one the number one struggle for everything for everything well this is why

we're getting bring it up I had the exact same moment in my life I never had any money and then I'll never forget it I was walking down the ramblas in in Barcelona cuz I was living there trying to set up Vice ban and I I went in a bank machine and I and it we had done some deal and it was the first time I got paid any money wasn't a lot of money but it was you know same kind of deal like figure thing and and I took out the money and I went

like my life changed that that I still remember how I like how it smelled I still remember cuz my life changed it was the first time I didn't have $28 in my bank account right and I just went and like my like my breathing Chang just everything like you said like like weight lifts off you weight lifts off you and and that that and and humans don't like to go backwards but yeah living in that sort of constant fear that's the problem with money yeah and that's why there is a chance and it was good

you brought that up actually that like you can you can kind of take this any way you know like human Humanity can take the next let's say 20 years anyway we want to take it and you can take it to be like let's [ __ ] learn from what we've learned and be positive and try to take this as a [ __ ] thing where Humanity gets better and we do this in the right way rather than just do it [ __ ] knee-jerk reaction freaking out [ __ ] like what the [ __ ]

going to Fu like I think I'm sure that you're going to look back at a time when like social media was [ __ ] [ __ ] up kids heads and you're we're going to say that was crazy dude right it's going to be like smoking we're going to look at the stock market and go yeah it's [ __ ] completely manipulated by supercomputers and trillion dollar funds and the little guy gets [ __ ] why the [ __ ] did we let that happen right there's going to be all kinds of coming out of

the pawn moments where we go hey like we were we were doing it wrong yeah but there's this big you know chaos is a ladder there's this big you know chaotic time right now and you're exactly right and people getting anxious about it and everything and you're like yeah we got to use that as a time to say hey why don't we [ __ ] have an economy where there is a universal basic wage and or living wage and we take that to doing [ __ ] where you do something that you like and and

you're you're you're you're happy about because that your job is probably going away I guarantee you it will cause less crime I think crime will dip substantially I think there'll be less civil unrest people's needs will be met it'll it'll give everyone that feeling of oh I don't have to worry about my bills anymore it's just finding purpose that's going to be the next thing and the people that are really going to be [ __ ] are the people that didn't find purpose already and then they're like 40 and then that happens cuz they're going

to be sad and that's that's what I'm worried about I'm worried about the people that are already sort of indoctrinated into a certain specific way of living and then all a sudden their purpose which was their job you know they worked at the factory and they're like you know Johnny's employee the month Johnny you're doing a [ __ ] great job we really appreciate you and that guy feels purpose he puts in A Hard Day's Work when he gets that paycheck he knows he earned it that's who he is he's the number one guy at

the plant he's the foreman he's the guy the men respect that's a real thing for human beings we need a thing that makes us feel like we we're progressing it's it's a part of our DNA our DNA the reason why we're still alive the reason why we survived is cuz we solved problems we figured out what's going on we made ourselves useful and makes you useful to the tribe it makes you makes you feel good you have a sense of purpose that's the guy that's the best hunter she knows how to [ __ ] plant

vegetables he knows how to make cloth everybody had a job and it gave you a sense of purpose we're going to have to figure this out quick because I think it's going to be like the birth of a child it's going to be like this screaming painful it's going to be this thing filled with anxiety but it is happening whether we like it or not and and if we don't start educating children about the benefits of having a fulfilled life where you're doing something you actually enjoy and not telling them don't do that it's too

hard don't do that it's risky thank God I didn't listen to anybody because my whole you would exist I would have not a thing I did ever anybody told me to do not fighting my parents tried to stop me from fighting MH when I was doing martial arts when I tried to do comedy they were worried that why aren you you did so well in martial arts why are you quitting and doing this new thing and every [ __ ] step of the way when I started doing podcasts my friends like what are you wasting

your time doing this for it was all when you started doing video podcasts people were like why are you spending so much time doing video that's so stupid nobody watches video everyone says no I was like I don't care I just want to do it like just do what you like to do if you can but I just for whatever reason got lucky that I got into a pattern like that very early in life both my parents worked so there wasn't a lot of guidance so I found a thing that I liked and I just

went and did it and you know they're like why are you wasting your time doing like bye mom [ __ ] leave the house and I was on my own and so I got into a pattern of that early but there's so many people that don't and so many people that get a job and then that job's going to go away and it's going to be replaced by a [ __ ] computer and I if you're listening to this and that happens to you don't become an alcoholic don't just give in find something else find

purpose find a thing back to what you love there's so many I wish I had 50 lives to live simultaneously I would have a bunch of different jobs I've always wanted to do a bunch of different things yeah there's so many interesting things in this life well I think you're 100% right but I also think like especially with kids now is the time to start saying exactly that yes like listen yes you know like I did what I wanted to do and and the same thing everybody told me no you know everyone told you no

and all that stuff which by the way you know I when I I heard them saying no like when you're like I'm going to get into fighting yeah no no you're not I'm gonna do comedy yeah no you're not dude you're not doing oh now I'm gonna get into pod what the [ __ ] a podcast you're not gonna [ __ ] great I can hear them saying no my brain bro Howard Stern used to mock podcast and he was my hero it's like a guy who loved listening to him on the radio and hearing

him mock podcast when I was doing I was like damn I was like oh he's wrong the laugh of the Victorious ah it's a good laugh it's a good one it's the best laugh but yeah so everyone said no to me but so now I agree you have to go to kids and say look dude um do whatever the [ __ ] you want do what you're good at do what you're passionate about like whole thing we got to stimulate them stimulate them with interesting things this I mean that's when we're talking about how I

got this unexpected education on this podcast um I I realized that I it wasn't that I was not in interested in things or that I wasn't intelligent is that I wasn't stimulated and I was a very physical person when I was a kid I had so much [ __ ] energy and uh when you're sitting in a class and you're a little buzzsaw like it was like I can't do this and if I lived with the wrong parents and especially in a different time I would have 100% been medicated yeah but what it was was

that I was a different car okay I wasn't a Honda Civic you know I was a a a Shelby Mustang for the shirt I'm wearing I was I was I was a I I needed to go I need to go I I got to get stimulated by things I need stuff that excites me I can't just sit down and I'm not good at listening which is not what school does it cuts off the tall trees it doesn't just do that it tells you to not go for it it tells you you're you're a bad person

if you can't bed yeah and but like somebody had to be Johnny Cash 100 there's a we all celebrate these people that escaped somebody had to be Jimmy Hendricks somebody had to be Richard PRI like obviously they were real like so they did it and everyone told them not to it's like a reward for getting out of that [ __ ] Quagmire of [ __ ] and mediocrity and that's what we it's got to be the Smith Rogen Academy and just say look don't do any of that [ __ ] yeah [ __ ] do

what you love and also find [ __ ] that interests you and go do that because I didn't do that for a while it's like a [ __ ] Purgatory you got to pursue it like your life depends on it because actually does it actually does and you can get gig jobs you can wait tables you could drive Uber I drove limos I did construction I did whatever I had to do I delivered newspapers I did whatever I had to do to try to like do a thing that and I didn't know if I was

going to make it but I back then when you're 21 years old you have no responsibilities yeah no health insurance no nothing and you could just [ __ ] try things just try things just and if you don't do that you're going to be sad and that's the reality of the world we live in when people want to talk to the about the levels of depression in this country what about the levels of purpose and do they coincide yeah with the the the levels of how many people have learned to control their emotions how many

people have learned to get their health in order how many people have learned how to meditate how many people have learned how to think about things before you make a decision and try to give yourself advice objectively how many people over medicate or not Medicaid at all not Medicaid at all how many people have learned how to like apologize to your friends apologize to your family if you made a mistake how many people have learned to own up to when you were the wrong when you were in the wrong instead of just covering it up

and pretending and arguing and and and trying to you know distort things just learn learn and grow like we all make mistakes we all and if you're on the wrong path in life and if you're doing something you don't want to do figure out a way to get the [ __ ] out of that job and actually do it don't talk about it [ __ ] do it cuz if you don't and if you do it it's going to be so exciting it's going to be terrifying you be like oh my God I can't believe

I'm afraid oh my God I got to I got to make this happen but [ __ ] go for it you don't have much time you have to you got to you have to if you don't you're going to be sad and that's just the reality of a lot of you or you're going to be angry and it's really you're not even angry at the things you think you're angry at yeah you're angry at your existence well that's when I go back to this thing of you want to talk about meditation is whenever you get

angry or anxious whatever say look you're living in the greatest [ __ ] window of time ever in the history of [ __ ] time ever ever so when what are you waiting for the better window of time right it's not coming right and so when you put it in a sort of grandiose perspective you're like I'm going to enjoy the [ __ ] [ __ ] yeah out of today because this is the best day in the [ __ ] world ever it's the best day ever but not only in the in the world

in the history of the world but in the history of every other planet that we that we that we know about and part of what makes it exciting is that we're almost blowing it apart yeah well that's the other problem like that's what you should enjoy if you're sitting at a restaurant having a nice steak and a glass of wine you should enjoy the fact that you know we're not in rubble you should that's a real thing that's a real thing that's a real thing I I I feel like that every time I come back

from somewhere you know and that's one thing about reporting is you come back and you're like you really [ __ ] enjoy you really enjoy this really is the promised land it really is I mean clearly not for everybody but also there's a possibility the opportunity awaits itself right here it it really is the greatest country the world has ever known in the middle of all the [ __ ] we're going through and all the chaos and all the potential Wars that we're involved in and Wars we're involved in it's still the greatest place ever

the greatest time ever it's just confusing and it's also one of the only countries you realize guys like us like you have a kick at the can yeah right most countries you don't have a kick at the can you got the wrong last name the wrong accent cast systems yeah well just and and and like like England you know Europe if you aristocracy then you had everything and if you weren't you had nothing and if you want to get ahead people get angry at you there's some stat like again going back to Stats but there's

some stat like 80% of the world's wealth is inherited in by 20 45 it's going to be even higher it's going to be like and you're like oh [ __ ] you forget because we come from oh we made money or Elon made money or [ __ ] Larry pagee made money or whatever those are the the real rich guy Bezos and and but but the majority of the world it's like yeah my parents had money a thousand years ago so I have money today that's so crazy and that's how you make joffre well that's

how you make [ __ ] Game of Thrones yeah that's how you make lots of them yeah you make monsters monsters and so so yeah like you come here and I'm like I'm an immigrant I came here I'm [ __ ] I was the Ambassador for [ __ ] New York I'm like I came here with no [ __ ] shoes I became a billionaire I [ __ ] L the greatest [ __ ] City in the [ __ ] world [ __ ] amazing and the Canadians were like cuz the Canadian identity is like

we're not American kind of thing and I was unap I went to New York I'm like this is the greatest goddamn City in the [ __ ] world and which it is and then and then and then I moved to LA when I had kids well this is pretty [ __ ] nice to I used to want to live in Canada I used to love Canada I love Canada hey don't get me wrong I love Canada Canada is a great place to grow I thought about living in Vancouver beautiful I was like I could live

in Vancouver like if [ __ ] hits the fan of the United States I always felt like beautiful country and canadi are amazing they're amazing I I always feel like Canada has 20% less douchebags that's that was my feeling when I used to do shows up there we would all talk about it we'd do a gig in Toronto we'd do a gig in Montreal and like is the best I love it up there I love the people they're friendly and hardworking peaceful they're smart they're educated it was always fun I loved it up there I

just love the attitude of the place I've met so many cool people in Canada but now the way Trudeau is running it it scares the [ __ ] out of me I'm like you guys are sliding into communism you're sliding every day they push a little bit further a little bit further I me if you don't get rid of that guy if you don't turn that thing around you're [ __ ] yeah look I've seen a lot of things happen in Canada where to me it's it's government shouldn't run things at all like if if

if we can uh stay away from it what does that mean it means like universal healthcare so when I grew up it was good you can go to any Hospital the doctors are all good some of the best doctors in the world and then because they didn't manage it correctly it got too big it got too good like 80 cents of every dollar was going to managing it rather than the doctors so they left they came down here there's a big brain drain and now you can't get a doctor you have to sign up and

wait for three years it's like the NHS in in the UK or something and it just doesn't work because the government's too big it's just you know once you get the government involved it becomes like a welfare program you're just paying all kinds of people to work on the thing that but no one's doing the actual thing that they're supposed to work on the healthcare bureaucracy bureaucracy so it's it's a problem but I my later stages in life to get into this and to get into the American political system and and the bulgo Looney uh

that that that is this political cycle and this electoral cycle and Canada and what's happening in Europe I really get this feeling and maybe you know we're GNA get into it on this but when I was younger you know and I was studying stuff and I was I I always feel like I would love to go back to being in college because when I was in college I just wanted to get out I wanted I wanted to get out and make money and stuff and I just did everything to just get the [ __ ]

out and now I'm like if I could just read books and talk to people and then write about that I'd [ __ ] where do I sign up fing just thinking about [ __ ] so I [ __ ] would love to it's wrong timing when you're when you're but anyway but I used to study I love philosophy love politics when I first came down to America and I've been studying American politics Bubba Clinton had was a consensus politician reduced the size of government um took the largest deficit of all time turned the largest surplus

of all time and then Bush got in turned the largest surplus of all time largest deficit increased size government I'm like no one said boo no one said anything and you're like the whole fundamental principles of the Republican Democratic party immigration the before Trump the the it was there's none more Reagan to me was the the call card of of of of the GOP Reagan was the best uh uh uh president for immigration if you're an immigrant ever he was super pro immigration and the Democrats were against it they completely switched their platforms on it

yeah and you're like to me when you look at America you say okay it's a republic it's two- party system they're always in power one's that's like two- party system you're always in power you're always in power or you're [ __ ] trying to control the house and you're like is it all much to do about nothing is it all a poit like bread and Puppet Theater it's like this is super [ __ ] important for you to watch over here to give you some sort of thinking that I have some agency that I can

vote and it's going to [ __ ] matter about anything whereas what the [ __ ] really changes on the big [ __ ] like what the [ __ ] really changes on the economy what the [ __ ] really changes for I need the [ __ ] that we're talking about right about school about education about big like the other [ __ ] you talk about which is fascinating and it's great that you do it about big Pharma big food big education military industrial what the [ __ ] really changes in that zero zero

yeah the only thing that changes is if there's someone who really wants to push reform really wants to change things and the real question is like when you get a guy like Trump who's promising all this stuff how much can you actually get away with how much can you actually change what what can you actually do and will that change things for the B very little well when it comes politically politically politically America's set up to do very the American govern is have to do very little and do it very slowly that was what it

would said well not only that a long time ago we gave in allowing money to enter into politics in this huge influential way and then we allowed pharmaceutical drug companies to advertise on television both all those things but those were the big ones because as soon as you had control of the narrative there's no way the media is going to spoil the relationship that they have with their biggest providers of Revenue they're not going to do that so whatever whether it's the food company or whether it's pharmaceutical drug companies they're going to ignore as much

as possible about the negatives of of these products and then you have a propaganda state where you have these people that are literally hired to say stories they know are not true because this will benefit the people that are their advertisers and that's where you get [ __ ] crazy it's also how that model implodes which is fascinating so that model becomes less relevant and the Michael shellenberger and the Matt taies of the world then people start turning to them the the Glen green wals of the world people say well these people are honest and

they're well I'm not a journalist I know but these people are honest interview a lot of people who tell a lot of things that that people don't get at other places yes um and then crazy people too but that's fine aliens let's get into aliens comedians I want to know what you know about aliens yeah I sorry I keep going I want to hear that end of that though I don't remember where I was going where where was I going oh so what they've done is they've created their own demise by giving it to Satan's

deal so by sucking Satan's [ __ ] and getting all that money you you've now you're not a news organization anymore you're a propaganda outlet and everybody knows it you have the news but the news is a thin layer of bread on the [ __ ] sandwich but yes but that's been see this is the thing is that's been since the [ __ ] beginning it's nothing new like I forget who it was but uh I was talking to somebody he goes what is news what is news Shane you know who royter was you know

who Roy was he he he he he started writers to to start a newspaper to say [ __ ] you to his enemy blah blah blah he just bought it he was just a rich guy who bought I can't do his accent anymore but but basically he got incensed with me because he was just like that's what it always was some rich guy would start a newspaper just to say [ __ ] you to the other why did Bezos by The Washington Post well because he was on the cover of the New York Times what

is it you can't you can't be on the cover of the New York Times 18 days in a row and he was on 13 mon Washington Post something like that yeah he was on it worked you know yeah well I mean look you can use money to get a lot of things done but it's just but I'm just no what I'm saying is there's always been money in politics and there's always been money in media it's just now it's it's more obvious than ever before and now you're right like there are agendas so my whole

thing is like I'm I'm an immigrant but I'm I'm not political I'm literally zerious I like I I believe in the game I I like the game I like watching the game and that's why I say like I like to take a look like okay there's this whole [ __ ] thing going on over here where the status quo doesn't change and I think you and I are like look that's what has to [ __ ] change over there that's the real power over there yeah this [ __ ] for me becomes and it's funny

because this is like I don't know what what what I'm showing up myself I don't know what the this election is 53 54 something like that the 54 56 it's pretty close around there somewhere it it fluctuates depending on what so we're on season 53 right and that's why you have to have the craziness you have to have two assassination attempts you have by the way Biden has to be kicked out mid elction and we're going to get like you're like oh season 53 The Fawns is Jumping the Shark but the shark being eaten by

piranhas not only that Biden's wearing a Maga hat like there's there but that's like look can I pause you for a second because Jamie you brought something no you didn't bring it up somebody else brought up Sean brought it up to me was there some sort of a physical altercation between Jill Biden's people and K Harris's people reports about this stuff on Twitter but like I it's just like Twitter reports you know I I haven't seen anyone show pictures or quotes it's just like a Twitter account saying stuff like that is it a a good

Twitter account I would I don't there's a few people I follow where I know they're full of [ __ ] because they just want to see nonsense I like it and I just what does this take kind of good though like it's a lot of the Michelle Obama has a dick like that do yeah there's so many of them there's so many of them but I I I love I love memes like oh God mes and fast and you want to talk about creativity and art like some of them are so [ __ ] good

and so artistic and so quick you're like how the [ __ ] did they [ __ ] do that one like I [ __ ] love it love Yeah and and there's so inappropriate and that's what's fun about is cuz like you never kind of say you can never say this yeah yeah but I I'm like yeah I'll s this to Jamie so he knows what we're talking about yeah it's just like so I'm just but like it's like there's so many of them now and so anyway that's like I was during during uh during

uh like I don't know if that's during Co oh well this guy's pretty legit right but just say per White House official which how do you say his name poic how do you say his name poic posic uh but this guy's pretty legit there was a physical altercation between Jill and Kamala Stafford in the white house after Joe's Press Room last week began with accusation that bidens were undermining K's deliber K deliberately per White House official well it does seem like he's doing that like when he called that press conference he hadn't called any press

conference so he decides to call a press conference in the middle of a national emergency and he's out yeah and he's out and everyone know but he's still the president so he can call a press conference so he de to do that the wearing the magah hat like look there's no [ __ ] way they're happy they got kicked out and Jill did not want him to step down she started taking cabinet meetings right like who yeah yeah I saw that yeah who elected you can I do it let me do it let me do

it I'm Not Elected either let me just sit in find out what's going on with these people what are you talking about how are you running a cabinet meeting you just married to the guy that's the president but that's the whole thing too because she sat at I've sat in that room like you can go and you can sit in the room yeah but he wasn't there yeah he wasn't but she I don't think she was running the cabinet meeting oh because that's what I'd heard yeah that's what people say cuz there's a picture of

her there but she's not running the [ __ ] Cabinet why you want to ruin a great story this is fun it's fun if she's running it if she I hope she's running it I hope she's boss [ __ ] do the thing the thing about it is I'm married a goddamn president for one moreth if you want to look at like the the greatest time of the Republican party when when Reagan was a president it was his cabinet his cabinet was exceptional and because like he he had dementia but his cabinet was not initially

he did not initially but later on but his cabinet was running America it was [ __ ] great right so you're see like the cabinet should run America I'd rather have the cabinet run something of of professionals people who are like design to do that rather than one [ __ ] person who going to go yes no yep yep that's great they're the [ __ ] Queen of England and they're supposed to be the queen of England yeah do you think his dementia was convenient who Reagan's I always wonder if he was doing like a

Jimmy the chin type thing no look rean do you like here's Jimmy tingle who's amazing comedian he had this great bit way back in 1988 okay when uh when Reagan was in trouble for selling weapons to Iran and he said uh I can't recall yeah and he goes do me a favor Mr President if you ever selling arms to people who hate us jot it down it's pretty good like he goes make a note put it on your refrigerator yeah that's I never I literally never even thought of that that I would do that he

said he couldn't remember anything that's a good move that is a good who could tell you whether or not you can remember things you could play dumb yeah that's what Jimmy the chin did I don't remember do you know that story no Jimmy the Chim Gigante was a mob leader and he would walk around with a bathrob and slippers and just Mumble to himself yes and he would walk down the street with his copos and the FBI knew this and so what they did was they put uh these little microphones on all the hubcaps so

that they could record his conversation as he walked down the street so as he's walking on the street they were recording everything wow I love [ __ ] like that I love [ __ ] like that like when Israel intercepts the pagers of Hezbollah and blows everybody's balls off that is look it's terrible those people died but it seems like they weren't good people but at the bottom line is you know how [ __ ] genius that is to to to stop the actual shipment to sorry to figure out that they use this type of

analog pager stop the shipment put and then get them to all blow up at the same time mon wait months and make sure that no one's on an airplane no amazing book called rise up and kill first I've read that yeah it's a great book it's about this it's about like we can't win a war so we're going to assassinate our way to safy yeah yeah it's all about Israel yeah and and using political assassinations fantastic it's crazy when you find out they're doing that like godamn well you know how goddamn genius that is and

you imagine being them and realizing Like This Is How Deeply Israel's infested your organization that's got Terri well just recently they got uh the head of uh Hezbollah and then the second head and then the third head within like three or four days of each other and then they're trying to get new guys and they're like uhuh yeah I don't want that gig I am not I don't want that gig it's the whole thing is it's very very fascinating well they're the people that invented Pegasus yeah you know they invented that the ability to just

they now apparently Pegasus 2 all they have to have is your phone number yeah and they're that's true I have I actually talked to one of the guys who owned that company if you want the hack for Pegasus I don't know if it still is turn your phone off repeatedly and then know because every time you turn your phone off they have to reput the Pegasus in really yeah yeah yeah I don't know that well that's that was from the dude I I would tell that to people just [ __ ] idiot shut his phone

I got it from the owner it's true meanwhile you're never off the phone actually never off that's how you can use find your phone yeah I mean there there's I'm sure there's probably some hacks But Eric Prince has a new phone called the unplugged phone that's designed by the guy who created Pegasus apparently and it's like this untrackable phone that kind of constantly but who knows I I don't I think track I think you are first of all with Quantum Computing when Quantum Computing becomes ubiquitous there's going to be no more passwords that's all gone

folks it does not work it's out the window Bitcoin your credit cards oh you're [ __ ] everyone's [ __ ] and we're not prepared for that 100% know it's going to be real weird because I've always said like like what money is today essentially is numbers it's just ones and and zeros we make it up and the thing that you see with the Internet is as technology increases people get more and more access to to information to ones and zeros to data the bottleneck is going to be money and eventually that's going to break

through and then what do you own and who owns what and where is it stored and what is it it's all It's All Digital and soon very soon uh there will be no digital encryption there'll be no digital safety at all everything by the way you're talking about money every [ __ ] so I one of the most fascinating guys you I think you talked to him too I went to Russia and I hung out with him at the Metropole which is funny because it's the whole it's famously the every room is bugged because it

was the only place they let uh foreigners stay in Moscow and so we were at the Metropole he we got into surveillance and but he opened my phone and like he was like as we were having the interview just showing me like how they can turn on the phone how can they do and how to like take out this part and take out this camera and do this and do that just like as he was talking about overall government surveillance of everybody which by the way I don't think a lot of people know what he

did he he said look the the American government is illegally illegally spying on its own people oh yeah and and by the way hadn't told any illegally they weren't allowed to they the mafia guys they had to get warrants from judges and [ __ ] to [ __ ] to bug those cars now they don't have to get [ __ ] they don't need [ __ ] they just say they have [ __ ] planes with eny catchers flying around they're picking up right now what we're talking about oh 100% every time I have a

conversation every text I send even the [ __ ] up ones I go well someone's got that oh yeah so that's what they're going to say so not only do your money but like your whole search history whatever is in your [ __ ] computer I tell my kids I tell my kids like your phone is your whole human archive and at some point someone can take that thing and say this is you know evidence or this is this or so like you you have to make sure that your phone is like you have to

always be thinking because not only that if you're in some sort of a trial all that [ __ ] becomes public record yeah that's what gets really weird like there's two different people that were involved in Trials where my text messages to them became public and got printed in stories one was Alex Jones the other was Elon Musk it's very strange did they just have access to your text messages yeah like for what reason I'm cuz I'm talking to some guy that I know like what do you what do you like the fact and and

with the Alex Jones thing they wanted every text message he and I had ever exchanged wow [ __ ] you yeah [ __ ] you so we got it down to whether or not he talked to me about Sandy Hook that's another thing about this country there has to be Tor reform anyone can sue anybody for anything and not have to pay their lawyer and the lawyer can take 50% of the crazy it's it's it's it's extortion and it's just it's it's I don't know there something has to change there because they're just sitting there

suing people because they can yeah that's um it's a sport for people and it's a way to make a living I mean it's like gold digging it's a viable strategy you know ambulance Shapers yeah there's a lot of that there's a lot of that definitely a lot of that Tor reform that would be be a good thing so we got Tor reform we got education but I think what we were talking about earlier with Quantum Computing and AI I think we're all in real trouble cuz I think this Society is going to be completely reimagined

and it probably will lean towards some sort of a more socialist existence because of necessity because of this money thing cuz I I just really don't know how you're going to accumulate real wealth um if everything becomes digital I think if everything becomes digital AI Quantum Compu we're going to we have we're going to have real chaos well the problem with Quantum is it's going to be okay there's a whole new so when when the the sort of West or or the North or the rich countries whatever ever leave everyone else behind you know monetarily

is when you know the last 20 years of of of digital expansion and we just make you know trillion dollar companies and they're over here and we make all that money in that econom and then you go to like two-thirds of the world and that [ __ ] hasn't even penetrated yet right so it's like so Quantum Computing is that on steroids because it's like oh there's going to be a whole new economy cuz all the other computers are [ __ ] obsolete all the security is obsolete there's a whole new economy being generated who's

it going to be generated by the ultra smart Ultra early adopters super like you know [ __ ] rich people who can afford the quantum blah blah blah right and everybody else is going even further [ __ ] that way going there's no more [ __ ] fish right and if you're just like you know rioting to get Universal basic income raised up to $125,000 a year like that's what we're going to be dealing with the people go looking for in incremental improvements in their life where they don't have any other way to make money

there like they're stuck on on the Dole and we we could have an entire class of society that's just stuck on the Dole forever which gets larger and larger yeah which gets larger and larger especially as technology increases to the point where almost all jobs are irrelevant like Hollywood is in deep [ __ ] they're in real real real that's what the strike was about because I'm doing it with news myself you can get like so when you do news you get like you have news Services right so you get a news service you get

a wire comes in and you go oh [ __ ] there's a been somebody [ __ ] blew up the car and you you have a news team so you send out Shooters and you send out a producer and a [ __ ] hey I'm saying and then he comes back and I was say news should be called olds because he was just in there three days ago something happened behind me right with AI it comes in right away this just happened in Gaza you can have video you can have you can say I want

Walter kronite in black and white reading me my news from Reuters right right it can be Peter Jennings Circa blown out color from Vietnam era could be '90s era could be I want provatas [ __ ] Russian Soviet [ __ ] you can pick your own newscaster reading you verified news right right away before anybody else before Fox before [ __ ] MSNBC before CNN before anybody BBC anybody and you're like why wouldn't you do that right so of of course and but if you take that a step further everyone can become their own you

know movie director because you can just plug in your story you want to talk about art you can plug in your story make a movie you well you do it through prompts and you'll do it almost instantaneously that's what's going to be so bizarre and then the real problem with that is if AI is controlling the news like who's controlling AI like what what control and are we going to get to a point where we say you know we're going to have to let sentient AI Control information then we find out that sentient AI is

withholding information from us because it doesn't think we're emotionally stable enough to process it which we probably aren't you know if it there's some sort of a civil turmoil that could happen because some information gets released if you were AI now and we're looking at the [ __ ] we're doing you'd say these guys don't know what the [ __ ] we got to take them they're not good for this planet yeah we would corner zalinsky and go what are you up to no I'm not saying I'm saying like you have a news like you

have a service comes in it's still people but you have new service and then AI can make the images or can make the video or whatever but I mean look when you when you look at media you're like oh it's that's why the strike happened cuz they know you can everyone can can make their own movie everyone can make their own TV show everyone can and that'll be the thing it'll be like individualistic creators it's not going to be big studios and [ __ ] anymore yeah and and and that's but that's just media like

it's going to be every [ __ ] business every business Smith and Ricardo were like who wrote you know the basis of capitalism they're like yeah well you know they were both apologias for the for the Industrial Revolution as what Carl marks but they were like yeah you know the the the blueberry Pickers will have to move to the cities and become iron mongers and and you know that's that'll that'll happen and they're like well blueberry Pickers can't like Forge iron and they go well you know a generation will die and then they'll figure it

out and right so it's it's that that was the problem and and you know that's going to be the problem with AI is like there will be this thing of like people moving to building tables or making art or doing whatever but there's going to be this is why I think our kids are maybe okay but like when you said what I worry about is the 40-year-olds sitting there who bought it all went to high school went to college did all the [ __ ] got the [ __ ] job or sitting there you know

trying to climb the ladder and that's all going to go away it's all going to go away and coding unne and you're right like don't become an alcoholic cuz like it's probably the biggest freeing thing right ever but like yeah there has to be okay like just pay that [ __ ] person right so that they don't lose their [ __ ] house because if you start losing your house right if you Smith and Ricardo it and start losing your house which I this is my long way to thing to go there has to be

some sort of weird social thing about it because if you just let them [ __ ] die off they're not going to die off they're going to say yeah yeah that's the fear the fear is rebellion and I don't think that's necessary I think clearly there's something happening to the human species that's technology driven and we're moving into a completely new way of existing and it's going to be a tumultuous Journey the the the transformation the process is going to be scary yeah it's going to be very [ __ ] strange because it's going to

be unprecedented in its impact and the speed of its impact speed yeah the speed's going to be uh you know the internet it took a couple decades before we figured out how [ __ ] up it is you know it came around in the 1990s people started using it you know kind of everywhere You've Got Mail and then 2000 you start getting [ __ ] up videos and craziness and then Along Comes social media and everybody's like oh my God everyone's connected and everyone's addicted and and then you're getting all this negativity because that's what

attracts views yeah so your algorithm is entirely information yes overwhelming some of it I love cuz it's like wow yeah you know I didn't know that and you find out it's true so you're like w that's pretty fun and then a lot of it you're like what the [ __ ] and that's not true and you're like and so by the way a lot of people have an ax to grind that's the other problem is CCP Chinese Communist Party are are are openly saying they're trying to [ __ ] with our social media as is

the free Syrian Army as are the Iranians as are like as are we as are we we are [ __ ] with it I I guarantee there's some sort government agency that's involved with like just Distributing narratives and and arguing against certain things also if you go to Russia they're like yeah you have the ruble we are trying to [ __ ] with you yeah we're definitely trying to [ __ ] with you of course and you're like okay so if you're openly trying to [ __ ] with us and by the way can you

imagine if the Chinese Communist party is spreading propaganda that there's $28 Big Max then what are they going to do when they have Quantum Computing right well once they have Quantum Computing we're [ __ ] financially it's a race between us and them because as soon as someone has that with AI the whole financial institutions crumble we're we're going to be in a giant mess and I don't understand how they could ever figure out a way to stop that yeah I just don't I see as technology scales up it's just going to have more power

and more access and The Innovation is going to come so fast you're not going to be able to keep up with it and it all a sudden it'll be too late yeah remember when we were growing up there was a big thing about like how you adopt technology it takes you like 10 years to adopt what was it called it was there was a term for it it was a big deal in the 80s and 90s about a culture lag Tech lag something you remember this no it was a big it was a big concept

when I was growing up anyway how long it takes Society to adapt to ad to a new technology and it was a big deal and culture lag something like that and there's like the the the speed with which Quantum is going to change every Quantum sorry Quantum married with AI right the speed with which it changes everything is going to be like I mean I don't think we're even going to be able to sort of process that change you know no I think it's going to happen so quick and I I have the craziest thought

about it that just keeps popping in my head is that I think that we are creating a new life form that's what I really think with AI yeah well that's been the that's that's sort of been but I think that's what the universe does I think that's probably with all this all these alien encounters are I don't think they're biological anymore I think life gets to a certain point where it it gets so smart that it creates a new version of itself that's Superior get to aliens either it merges with it I think that's what

the aliens are I think they're us I think they're us in the future I think there's parallel this that's the mathematical thing right yeah it's more mathematically plausible than it's us in the future then we evolve this way all well it's also probably other civilizations from other places that are far more advanced that have figured out a way to get here and it might be interdimensional Travelers which sounds ridiculous until you talk to actual physicists that can tell you it's provable dark matter darkg 10 or 11 well I don't even know what that is that's

just a lack of an understanding of what the [ __ ] is going on well I love I love that did you ever if you haven't you Taylor Wilson who's like the [ __ ] genius genius genius of all genius physicist he's a young kid built a functioning Fusion reactor in his Reno garage when he was 13 years old Meo kako did something like that this guy is is next [ __ ] levelo I think he did made a particle collider in his house super he he refined his own yellow he staked claims and got

uranium and turned it into yellow cake this that's nuts how old is this kid 30 now he's 30 but he was 13 so he was 13 the government took Himes I've been there I've been that's his I've been super nerd he's so amazing he's so but like whenever you want to talk about anything uh that has to do with physics he's the guy and but what I what I love about it is like I think he was part of the team I don't want to get anybody into trouble I think he was part of the

team or he knew about it anyway he explained it to me the guys in Peru you know with the [ __ ] most advanced telescope and they're like VT yeah they're like the planets are all here right and they should be here they're not in the right place and and and somebody had to go uh the math is wrong I I like to believe it's him but maybe somebody said the math is wrong and they're like the math is wrong that's all of the math that's like physics is wrong yeah physics is wrong so like

because there's too much gravity to keep all the planets in play they should be [ __ ] flying off and so like okay 90% of the universe we can't see it's dark matter dark energy and and there's now there these things deep in the coal mines and they have like these baths of gas which they can see they're weakly interacting molecular particles wimps and they uh have been this like now The Fifth Dimension which is now leading to there's infinite [ __ ] universes and INF infinite possibilities and infinite so you're not crazy because physics

is now saying all of this [ __ ] is [ __ ] probable now you know so that's one thing two is when I was talking to a very smart person I'm not going to say the name because I don't get anybody in trouble but they're like look Interstellar travel isn't going to be you and I go on a [ __ ] spaceship right it's going to be there's you download your brain into a computer it goes by via laser into another thing that's got a 3D printer of a human that resembles you or might

not resemble you and it goes and you downloads and that's how you go these vast distances in space and you're like oh maybe so but if they're doing that in the maybe but if they're do I'm not saying that that's it that's but if it does happen then it makes sense that you got these these mixes if you're downloading your brain into a computer then it's possible that brain gets mixed up with AI but what does that even mean like what what is the thing is like what is your brain and is the soul a

real thing cuz I tend to think the Soul's a real thing I do too I I think there is some sort of a life force that's inside of you that's not just your heartbeating I think there's a thing inside of people and I think you recognize it when you're around people and I think it's one of the most unique aspects of being a conscious creature is that we think of us we think of ourselves as individuals but we're really connected to some great Well of Souls seal yeah yeah there's some thing that's going on where

we're all in this together in some bizarre way that's for some reason very difficult for us to recognize in normal regular life it's hard for us to like you you get these moments where you feel it whether it's a psychedelic experience a near-death experience a profound love feeling there Joy yeah there's the birth of a child there's moments in life where you feel like everything's connected like you you see like through the curtains yeah and you get a chance God this is so much bigger than us or Crea than everything when something just comes to

you and you're like where the [ __ ] did that come from right it's the yeah it's in the it's in this it's in the space around you somehow or another like I there's that's the concept of like Consciousness being like what you're actually is tuning into to what's out there it's not local like your Consciousness is not not this local thing your your brain the local thing is just an antenna yeah and it's it's Distributing this Consciousness through your unique biology and unique life experiences and where you live and who you're friends with and

what you interact with on a daily basis what kind of energy get in what kind of energy you put out and it's all somehow or another bizarrely connected to the way the whole universe works that it all works together as one unique gigantic system yeah religion philosophy also psychology it all is like yeah there's one thing out there you know it's and and you're like what the [ __ ] it is and that's I mean that's what it comes down to is like Consciousness and as you get older and more Mortal and realizing we don't

have that much more time that's the kind of [ __ ] that's why I said it's stupid to think that when you're 19 to study philosophy and relig like when you get older and you're feeling more Mortal and your brain's open to it you're like what the [ __ ] are we doing doing here what's it all about you know that's the craziest theory that um came from the Bob Lazar stuff the craziest you know the Bob Bazar stuff the guy was working back engineering UFOs for the government in the 1980s this is what I've

been waiting the whole [ __ ] time to get into he told the same story this guy's told the same story for 30 plus years it's the same story he was uh an engineer he worked at um Los Alamos labs and um then he left there and they hired him to to do propulsion work right and they brought him in and they showed him this thing that had an American flag on it and he was like oh it had an American flag sticker on it and he was like oh they're ours that's why everybody's seeing

these things this is like some top secret thing that we're working on and slowly but surely and again this is not fact this is just his story slowly but surely over time of he's brought in to analyze this thing tell us how it works he realized like this is not ours it's too small the the the ship was made for 3ft tall inhabitants everything looked like it was 3D printed there was no seams there was no bolts the whole thing had no there was no electronics it somehow or another was connected to the minds of

the pilots and it had some sort of a reactor that had a stable form of element 115 which was just theoretical at the time you know it wasn't even proven until they proved it with a particle collider in like the 2000s so this guy was telling the story about how they have this element element with radiation and ites gravity propulsion device and so one of the things that he said was that they had a very thick book that was all information about religion and that this was one of the things that they had got from

these alien inhabitants that we are vessels that they look at us as containers for Souls well that's Thon that's p a little nutty but but also like if just think about this sounds crazy that we're vessels for Souls but imagine if the life force of a soul is a real thing that's limited to biological organisms but then you create life that is not biological and you create this thing that is this sensient life force that's digital completely digital but it doesn't have a life force it doesn't have soul to it now imagine you bridge the

gap with hybrids so you have a thing that is part alive part a biological organism and part interconnected and it needs to be if if it wants to continue to have creativity and desire and needs and it it it it actually has a task that it wants to accomplish and that this has to be connected somehow or another to biology and that if you want biology you have to have a soul it's interesting because I speaking of kids I believe that humanity is a grand evolutionary experiment because a lot of the things that happen to

you are weird like when you have a kid you change and when men have kids they change when women have kids they change the kids change like all these things happen and it's just like this thing of like we have to do it we have to do it and and it puts you on a path and you're like are we a grand evolutionary experiment and if so why well if this is what the universe does when it creates Superior beings it kind of makes sense that we have all the attributes that we have it makes

sense that we're territorial it makes sense that we fight over resources it makes sense that we're competitive and it makes sense that we're inquisitive and that we constantly search for Innovation we want the newest best stuff all the time we have throughout human history we've always aspired to have the best plows the best trucks the best this the best that we always want better and and we're always working on these things yeah what does that lead to that leads to artificial intelligence it it's almost like that's what we're doing we're making this cocoon and the

Butterfly is going to come out of the and we don't even know why we're making it we're just [ __ ] toiling along doing our thing and it also connects to materialism cuz one of the things that materialism does is it it encourages Innovation and encourages constant purchasing of goods if the phones that we have right now are perfect and we never have to get a new phone all you have to do is repair them it would just be repair shops everywhere it would need a new phone there would be no need for Innovation light

bulbs yeah yeah right but well light bulbs were better they used to be better because they didn't burn out they never burned out yeah but then they came out with the LED light bulbs and like that's actually even better because then they don't you know I like the old light bulbs they're cool never burned down they are cool no those ones burned out no the original the original light bulbs never burned out yeah they just have to make the filaments bigger yeah we're just like nah make it so they die off [ __ ] those

people make them buy another light bulb year and that's it oh yeah all the time yeah you shut the lights out you're going to burn the light bulbs yeah yeah and then they burn they get black in the bottom like [ __ ] we lost the light bulb yeah one but if phones were I mean if we're satisfied phones are so good why do we need new phones well we do oh the iPhone 16's coming out are you gonna get it o Samsung has a 25 Ultra 25 it's got a better zoom and you just

[ __ ] keep hopping on that it's just a normal thing that we do we do it with computers we do it with everything we do it with cars and I think that that's a constant thirst techy law yeah Moors law but mors law is out the window it's out the window now it's all exponential anyway as soon as all this stuff gets popped out soon as we give birth to that AI demon so I I cut you off when I shouldn't have because I was wanting to you talk to more people who are more

connected about aliens than anybody else so I wanted to sort of mind that a little bit so so so so he it's three foot high aliens who have are we have their technology in area 54 or whatever supposedly Area 51 supposedly S4 Area 51 S4 site 4 is where he worked I don't no you know I don't know I don't know how much of it's [ __ ] I think some of it's [ __ ] right so whatever it is you have to say some of it's [ __ ] the it seems like the United

States government is spending an inordinate amount of time studying these things there seems like there's a ton of whistleblowers there's a ton of programs that most of us did not know about so why do these programs exist so it is either a top secret drone program that has a super sophisticated propulsion system that's far beyond anything that we're aware of today that's probably true as well but also the universe is filled with stars the universe is filled with planets the odds that none of them have life are very low there's ferm's Paradox like where are

they well they probably don't want us to know too much about what they are because they want us to figure out a way our brains will be blown well also like get to the next level right get to the next level and keep getting you don't you don't just flying and give people death It's like Star Trek you can't you can't change their evolution and stuff I would imagine the correct the correct path is to let people evolve let people make these mistakes figure it out have revolutions have elections yeah have Innovation have this constant

desires also if they come then we think oh there's the gods there's the things there's the Angels there's the whatever it is exactly that's the problem too and then also I think there's probably an interdimensional aspect to it there's probably some things that aren't even real that you're seeing but they are real somewhere else and you have a window to them there's probably bizarre States Of Consciousness where the a certain amount of psychedelic chemicals are released by your brain in a certain level of anxiety and a certain environment and Circumstance where you have access to

a frequency that's not normally available to you and I think some people are having these kind of experiences and they're calling them aliens I but I I do think there's something going on with crafts the and the thing about these crafts is they existed way before there's any reasonable assumption that people had technology that could do those things like the Kenneth Arnold sightings from the 1950s are the best example something that was moving far faster than anything that we had silent looked like a saucer skipping over the sky they saw like a bunch of them

flying around these guys are fighter jet Pilots they don't have a history of making up things they're not liars and there's a ton of those sightings yeah and those sightings go way back they go way back and it's probably some of the stories in the Bible and the babat Gita you know there's there's a bunch of stories about flying things and flying chariots and wars in the sky there's some wild [ __ ] and you got to imagine that if this is a long slow process that every intelligent being goes through in the universe that

this is just like we look out we see all these different planets that are in the goldilock zone so we know that the kind of life that we have can can exist in these planets how many of them have people or things or uh some form of super intelligent organism yeah probably infinite numbers probably infinite numbers and they probably visit emerging civilizations it just makes sense just like we would just like we would visit a stone age culture and watch them from afar if we found some lost tribe in Siberia you know with [ __

] like the island of India you're not allow North Cel Island yeah there there's there's tons of examples of how we behave in those situations and we're [ __ ] if you imagine something that's far more advanced than us it would be much more sophisticated in its approach probably would occasionally abduct people and study their biology probably does have a way to erase memories probably does leave people with like significant trauma and confusion as to like how this experience is real how do you put in the context of your normal day-to-day life how come it

never happens again you're just sitting home again and then the rest of your life you're like freaked out the walls are going to melt and all you're going to be on spaceship again if that is real like who [ __ ] knows and those those people imagine being one of those poor people that does get abducted by aliens and everybody thinks you're an idiot everybody thinks you're a liar everybody thinks you're a fool oh Mike lost his mind thinks he got abducted by aliens meanwhile he really did well that's going to be a problem when

when when people finally find out they're going to be like hold on a sec second now it's going to be a real problem and I think it's a slow trickle so I think that that's what we're experiencing and I think this is normal I think there's like deep Denial in the 1960s and there's also Operation Blue Book which is a concerted effort to dismiss all the sightings as illegitimate and swamp gas and all I mean Jay Allen hinck who ran that program eventually when he left the program became a huge UFO believer and then completely

changed his tune and explained how he was told to debunk everything but there was a bunch of things that he couldn't debunk I think the number is like 90 10 90% of the things you could you oh that's this that's Venus that's this that's that 10% there's no [ __ ] way this is like whatever this is there's physical evidence there's a bunch of [ __ ] something happened and he was a Believer before he died a big Bel and a proponent and would talk about UFOs openly and I think there's too many of those

guys for it all to be [ __ ] there's too many people for it all to be [ __ ] but some of it is [ __ ] and some of it is ours I think some of it is I think some of it might be back engineered I think some of the Bob Lazar stuff might be legitimate like they they found things whether these things were left behind for us to discover whether they you know made some sort of a deal right but I think I think there's intelligent life other than human beings that

interacts with us Bango that's what I thought yeah look it's interesting my whole thing is I don't know but it's interesting and and why not like look into it and why not read about it and why not I mean people like well everyone's this is the other thing not just with this with everything everyone's so dismissive about everything you like no W you're a [ __ ] wing nut if you yeah if you believe in that [ __ ] or if you read about it or if you want to look into it I'm like I

have questions right I want to ask questions why why is it bad to ask questions right why can't I talk about why can't I Think About by the way people will freak out that we're talking about and you're like why just we're two guys chopping it up like on your front porch and and and be like look let's ask questions you're an interesting guy you meet a lot of interesting people so you are well informed well informed I'd say better than I'd say 90% 99% of people in the world okay let's talk about it that's

interesting yeah it is interesting I think so yeah obviously a lot of people agree it's just you're always going to have people complaining you just can't listen yeah that's the thing it's like if you live your life by the whim of people that are willing to complain openly about almost anything you're going to live a terrible life yeah and these kind of things if they're not fascinating to you that's fine that's that's you but I don't know how you could not be fascinated by Congressional disclosures whistleblowers talking about programs that are Beyond oversight that are

retrieving crashed UFOs and back engineering them and we've been doing this for decades because if they're telling the truth either this is a spectacular lie or they're telling the truth yeah and if they're telling the truth how the [ __ ] are you not interested how are you you're not interested what I have to go another level is the problem that I have is you're like okay we're interested in big Pharma we're interested in big food we're interested in Oil we're interested in military industrial comp we're interested in all this stuff but if you start

talking about aliens or if you start talking about this if you start talking about multi-dimensional whatever people well it negates all the other stuff you're talking about why only to idiots there's way more people that are even the New York Times in 2017 they posted legitimate journalism on oh that's a good point on UFOs but a lot of people you got you know sure a lot of people you can't listen to them people there's a lot of people that could join a cult like if you wanted to start a cult you could probably do a

really good job you probably have a lot of people in your cult easy the biggest cult around pretty easy to do right why because a lot of people are gullible and they're stupid it's easy to get people to do things it's easy to get people mad it's easy to get people that think that Donald Trump is Hitler and it's easy to get people to think that Donald Trump was Jesus it's like there's a lot of opinions out there and that's fine that's part of the fun of life that is and morons in their stupid opinions

is also flavor it's a little bit of flavor in the the soup of Life there you go salt and pepper yeah and sometimes morons learn I salt and pepper yin yang I wanted to I saw that on your thing the what was it the molecule the the life we still can't figure out exactly what that is so what this is is quantum entangled photons yeah and the image that you're seeing these Quantum entangled photons is a yin and yang symbol wow but we're trying to figure out and this is where it gets like in the

weed scientifically is that what it looks like or did you make it look like that to represent these Quantum entangled photons but the shape is arbitrary like you chose a shape to get these Quantum entangled photons to exist in I don't know how you would do that I don't know I don't know the I don't understand the way they're recording it I don't understand the technology behind it I don't understand the science behind it we go we scientists have used first of its kind technique to visualize two entangled light particles in real time making them

appear as a stunning Quantum yinyang so we don't know if that's how it looks or if the the scientists made it look that way again I'm reading this I don't know what to tell you right a reconstruction of a holographic image of two entangled photons the new method called Boton digital holography uses an ultra high Precision Camera and could be used to massively speed up the future Quantum measurements so there so this is the weird the way it's worded go back to the way it's word it would be insanely cool if it the way it's

worded is just weird yeah it's a first ofit kind technique to visualize two entangled life particles in real time but this is the part that gets me making them appear as a stunning Quantum yin-yang symbol it's like what are you saying yeah it's not clear yeah is but it would be [ __ ] cool if it was true yeah it would be super cool it was true but I think they made something this so that they would know if it worked as long as we see this at the end result then right so like I

don't understand that I don't understand it either it's I'm too stupid for this conversation but just the fact that you that we know that Quantum entangled particles are real just the fact that we know this spooky action in a distance that Einstein talked about the fact that we know that Quantum particles can exist in a state of motion and still at the same time they could be in super position like what are you say they they they go in and out of existence it's measurable we don't know where they go we don't know what's happening

it's magic It's Magic it's all magic and then the fact that atoms are like mostly empty space like what does that even mean yeah what are you talking about what does that mean how are they connected the just the the nature of existence itself is magical yeah when I so when I I went out into with Taylor Wilson and he he was picking up [ __ ] yellow like uranium and turning yellow cake and he was just speaking to me like cuz we talk about someone who's interesting and he's like well I mean we all

know that like uranium is is like stars you know parts of stars that explod and like hit the Earth because they flew through so we're just taking a star that landed on Earth and we're taking a piece of it and then we're releasing its power and I'm like I didn't know that he's like speaking like everybody knows that and I'm like wait a minute uranium is like an xstar that blew up that landed on Earth and then you can take it and that's how you do it and he's like yeah well we are that we

are that yeah I mean with that song we are but but but uranium is like the sort of the [ __ ] like the concentrated you know and you're like oh you're making but that the fusion reactor is making a star so you're making a star out of a star yeah you you're taking Stardust and turning into a star what the [ __ ] how smart are people people are [ __ ] smart it's pretty amazing and you need that in order to power Quantum Computing by the way you don't need multiple nuclear reactors to

power Quantum Computing that's all of it's bananas man bananas it's all I mean thank God there's so many different kinds of people cuz there's people that are wholly obsessed in pursuing that yeah you know and then there's guys like us who will talk about it yeah ex and not exactly know what they're talking W I think this is what it is Taylor's going to call me go what the [ __ ] were you talking about I'm I'm so fascinated by the people that study just the universe itself because they're constantly dealing with new data like

this jamesw telescope thing has like thrown everything into it iy yeah you know there's these new red spots that were there the formation of the universe they don't know what the [ __ ] they are and they went away love it yeah like what is that love it quit here I'll send it to you Jamie because it's one of those ones where you're like you read it and you're like what does that even mean what what are you saying like what is this yeah that's why I love to interview people who are much smarter than

me because again I only understand half of what they're saying but it is I mean it does because we think we know we're were talking about especially like scientists and phys physicists and everybody and then something will happen they're like yeah that was all [ __ ] it's all new now this is it on life science James web telescope found hundreds of little red dots in the ancient Universe we still don't know what they are yeah small galaxies are either crammed with stars or they host gigantic black holes the data astronomers have collected continues to

puzzle them and then there's the data where they're finding galaxies that were formed too quickly so it's throwing into like they're they're starting to consider the possibility that the universe is far older than they thought it was it's it's amazing I love I love itut it's nuts I love it and it's probably filled with life just like us there's probably people doing stupid [ __ ] all over the universe can you imagine if they [ __ ] finally find out and they would yeah like Egypt mhm what do you got there nicotine you want one

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little nicotine makes the brain fire up yeah it does yeah nicotine for the brain it's really good for your brain yeah it actually is it's just terrible for your lungs yeah wellow if you smoke yeah the probably the best way is probably a patch yeah but that just feels weird walking around with a patch nicotine good for the brain bad for well I know guys who do that when they work they put a nicotine patch on Just for just nicotine is a legit neut Tropic as well yeah nicotine actually like positively affects cognitive function yeah

I knew I knew it was good for the brain but not the lung thing is more the smoking CU it's like when you burn something it's you have 3,000 carcinogens Vape is [ __ ] terrible for you too anything you burn well anything you're putting into your lung you're putting chemicals in your lungs you're not supposed to go in there like get fired up that way yeah except weed of course mad uh you know what's another uh unheralded uh neut Tropic creatine creatine actually increases cognitive performance I don't know what creatine is it's a muscle

supplement it's like a supplement that they figured out in the '90s and people started equating it almost like steroids like oh like it was like a scandal that people were taking creatine like the it's like powder yeah yeah yeah I get it in gummy form I get creatine gummies just chew a few of them every day great for your brain great for your brain great for muscle recovery there's a bunch of different stuff that it's good for your brain yeah you ever tried neuro gum I don't try anything neurog gum's great it's just gum it's

just gum you chew it and it's got um fenine in it and a little bit of caffeine great for firing your brain try it so when you're doing this uh podcast thing do you have like a weekly schedule you doing it twice a week yeah we just started I did I've done like five um and like again so you do it once a week how often you once a week it's going to be once a week and um I do like I you know I I'm interested in a lot of stuff and so I'm new

to the podcast game but I I start it's like basically I start out it's like they're long they're like three parters and it starts out with something I'm fascinated by that's on social media so for example as the reason why I'm talking about this stuff but like you know something can come up and there's memes and like the assassination attempt and then there's conspiracy theories on both sides and I'm like everyone's interested in it why don't we dig into it let's dig in right and so I dig in and I you know I a lot

of people can call them get access and talk to them I just ask questions again I'm not I'm not and I don't have like I'm not trying to shoehorn anything into anything I'm just like what just talk just let go what is this yeah yeah and and so I I find that really really fun uh really interesting are you mixing this in with investigative journalism are you like going places and talking to people put together and then I'm just meeting interesting people and I'll meet somebody interesting I'll just say [ __ ] it we'll just

talk and it'll just be a straight podcast and we just talking for like 2 hours like Peter Dale Scott blew my mind and and uh you know there's a lot of people out there like it'll be a mix of big names but I also want to go talk to the people who are you know putting stuff up and where they're getting their stuff and where they're getting their fact just dig in basically and you can dig in on the high end and dig on the low what I found is if you get in the creation

of the meme and who's creating it it sort of starts as a wide thing and then it goes down into like some sort of uh like a Phil phos ophy or something bigger and then when you get to the people who are like for example with the assassination attempts it got pretty quickly into the deep State and I'm like well let's talk about the Deep State because everyone bandies the word around but nobody [ __ ] really knows what it is if you like want to get into clinical explanations or have real positive facts about

what are the like you know historical evidence of that this exists and that they do this all the [ __ ] time right and so I'm like okay let's let's chop it up and get into it and that that was like you know super fun um and and and so I'm getting into all the stuff that that I find interesting online and and on you know in social media and saying let's just get into it yeah just whatever you're interested in whatever I'm interest the thing look I I love all of this stuff so like

I mean right now I'm doing a lot of political stuff because it's the Electoral cycle it's crazy MH um and there's a lot there's a lot so much [ __ ] [ __ ] like and and you when you see stuff you're like where's it coming from right like where's this [ __ ] coming from and you're right everyone has an agenda sorry well that's just what's so crazy about having so many different groups manipulating us through Bots that we don't really know what people actually think and the problem with people is they don't really

know what they actually think they know like what PE like there's a a large percentage and I'm going to just say men because these are the ones that bother me the most men who say things because they know that people want to hear them and because they know it won't get them in trouble to say it and they don't necessarily believe it like it could be about trans athletes it could be about like some sort of it's a lot of it is connected to woke stuff yeah politically correct a lot of it connected to ideology

um you know like they'll have a super positive gaslighting version of what's going on at the border you know and they they do it because they have to Super positive yeah super positive like you know it's important immigration is important and you know it's very difficult for these people otherwise like and they have this like [ __ ] yeah okay also terrorists okay also murderers and rapists getting released from Venezuelan prisons making their way across the border all that's real but there's two sides to that story that's the one thing too like 100% so I

I when I did my dive into immigration you're like cu the reason why I got into this you see the gates opening up and people coming through and I'm like hold on a second I've been reporting on the border for like I don't know 10 years there's no [ __ ] gate where people [ __ ] run through the gate right right and then you look into the the thing and it's like oh yeah like that was before the Border it's after the border and this they were trying to get to the Border because what

they try to do is like basically touch the [ __ ] fence so that the Border guards will income so that they can get processed right and so like the gates open and all that [ __ ] and the whole like uh uh open border [ __ ] right not true what do you mean it's not true not don't have an open border where people are just [ __ ] coming in like look I'm an immigrant like I know how it works you have to come in and have you been down to the South yeah

we've been down to the sub we've rode the Beast we're in the Darian Gap look hold on let before I get [ __ ] into it but there's on the other side yes it's true so there's there's an immigration problem huge immigration problem and there are bad people getting through and there are cartels running things and there are illegal people and all stuff and by the way the Republicans have a great message that they stay on the Democrats don't have a response to that message right they're just it's a political [ __ ] Quagmire but

I don't care about the political Quagmire I'm like let's go down we talked to the head of the Border guards we talked to the both the head of the Border guards we talked to sheriffs we talked to militia dudes in in in Texas we talk to we talk to everybody right and the problem is is there's [ __ ] [ __ ] on both sides and there's no [ __ ] sanity when it comes to immigration there's nobody really saying okay this is what's happening here this is what's happening here yes this is bad but

this is this and this is that and the other thing and there's two narratives and one narrative is there's open borders with rapist and murders coming in eating the cats and eating the dogs and then on the other side there's no real well that's not really happening what happened was that they were in Mexico and now that they're being released in here and and here's the stats 80% are come to their to their uh uh meetings like their whatever the [ __ ] it is the forgetting the word now but when they get like after

processed no but they get processed and then they have to come to a meeting and a meeting and a meeting and the Democrats are like yeah it's 85% and and the Republicans are it's like 90% don't come and 85% do come and you're like well where's the [ __ ] stats coming from can we not talk to Homeland so we reached out to Homeland we reached out to the [ __ ] committee that runs immigration we reached out to everybody and this is why it gets so frustrating is because nobody is like every every answer

is different every answer is completely different sorry to interrupt but that this is why I find it fascinating because there are especially on immigration there are so many given about what [ __ ] means and in actual fact like an open border doesn't mean an open border it doesn't mean you can just [ __ ] walk across the border into America that's not that doesn't happen but some people are walking across the border into America they're getting smuggled or they're trying to get to the Border where they give themselves up to border guards who then

process them they become processed there they get kicked out they go back they stay here they and then they get [ __ ] whatever there's there's 50 different things that can happen but like to me when I saw the open border so they'll they'll have a tweet right MH and it'll say open borders and they'll have a [ __ ] gate opening with people running through that gate so you think like oh that's the gate to America that people are running through well there's a lot of openings I mean that's the thing it turns out

that that those that footage is all of course not true there are there are openings in the sense of people can smuggle themselves in through the desert you saying smuggle but people just go across their own accord too it's not just like smuggling well there's a lot of smuggling there's a lot of smuggling a lot of it I mean a lot of it is run by the cartels yeah and which is bad it's horrible horrible well there's a lot of missing children exactly that's really SC it's like somewhere in the neighborhood of 300,000 missing children

very bad scary uh very scary and but I'm just saying like when you get into immigration as a thing we're getting into it now so you get two narratives two completely different narratives and near the twain shall meet that's the interesting thing is usually eventually you can get down to something right and on this one you're like you're like dep literally excuse me it literally depends on who you're talking to water yeah that's what's scary about today is that it's hard to figure out and depending upon what tribe you're a part of you know if

you're the on the the tribe of the right you think one thing you're on the tribe of the left even if you're tribess I'm sitting there going okay so they'll talk to them about something so I remember when I was interviewing Obama at the end of his presidency I was like you know what are your big you know all he wanted to talk about was the Republicans he didn't want to talk about his presidency so I went to go see speaker Boehner because I was talking about speaker who by the way lovely guy great guy

and he wanted to talk about his thing and so you talk and again n the twain shall meet and you're like at at some point you got to get down to this kernel of Truth and on immigration it's almost impossible to find or maybe it is impossible to find well the bottom line is a lot of people are being brought into this country and then being shipped to swing States that's real that's undeniable the the percentage of people that are in swing states of illegal immigrants moving to swing States is off the hook it's crazy

it's an a bizarre number that seems to be a strategy it seems to be you give themy of course you can eventually they're trying to do that I mean you can vote like in 10 20 years well be no ID voting okay right this is something that they've pushed in California and they pushed a lot of places there's only one reason to have no ID that's to have people that can vote that shouldn't be voting that's the only reason if you only want the people to vote that should be voting you ask for ID just

like you ask for ID for everything else for getting on an airplane for I believe in I look I believe in ID I'm just saying the only reason to have no ID the only reason to have no ID and to push that and it's only being pushed by the Democrats there's only one reason that makes any logical sense you want people to vote that probably shouldn't be voting so you can get some extra votes that's the only thing that makes sense so then if you have people like Nancy Pelosi who openly talked about giving amnesty

to the people that are already here you have voters now so you have voters in swing states that you brought into this country and you provided them an amazing life and the Democrats brought them there they're going to be loyal to the Democrats especially if the Democrats continue to provide them with housing and money and why would you vote that out why would you vote for a bunch of people that want to deport you they're talking about Mass deportations yeah imagine if you came here from Haiti you lived a terribly poor life in Haiti now

you have a good job in Springfield oh oh and you're like I can't [ __ ] believe we're in America this is amazing and someone comes along and gives you the ability to vote and then another group is saying we're going to mass Deport you cuz you people are eating all the dogs and all the cats then there's like this [ __ ] Fe of course you're you're getting voters you're bringing in voters and you're getting voters you're going to get them to vote for you that's something I haven't seen I'm I'm not denying it

or fighting that's something we haven't seen like personally right we haven't seen it but it's clearly a strategy that you could employ if you were going to employ that wouldn't you move those people to swing States you would and if you find out that there's an app that you can use and you use this app and they'll let you in the country you can schedule a a way to illegally move to the country and then you're legally protected once you've done that so it's basically an open border okay you know what I'm saying like it's

I know the you know how hard it was for you to become an American citizen okay it was very difficult you came from Canada lot right it takes a long time chth was exping to vote long time to do the thing and you have to give a reason why you're supposed to be you you have to be an exceptional person yeah you have to study and which I did and I got 100% of my testing and I have a couple of friends of mine are just coming here from England and they wanted me I had

us do this visa thing for them get like give them a recommendation but you have to be exceptional you have to be something special or you can get on that app and you just come over look I'm not going to get too into the app because I I only did it through interviews but the app is an actual thing that tracks the the people who come into the country it's it's done by Homeland all Homeland schedule it's Homeland following them around it allows you to schedule an entrance into the country yeah they're doing it to

try to stop the waves of the illegals and making it somewhat legal and in any case seems like simplifies people being able to get in the country I'm actually not going to defend it or talk about it anymore because I know the app exists and I know what you're talking about mhm and I know it's you're right it does people do and they sign up to it and then then they come and they get processed and then they wait for their thing and blah blah blah well was the big argument on the debate between JD

Vance and Tim Waltz yeah you know and they tried to frame it as if this had existed for a long time and that's when JD Vance had to step up and stop them and say you said you weren't going to fact check and that's this is where that that's not true that app did not exist you could literally schedule it it used to be for people that are already here yeah like for you know would you know kids that were born in Mexico but have lived their entire life in America yeah we got to Fig

out a way to citizenship for those folks that's [ __ ] crazy if you I know a girl she's 28 years old and she came over here when she was a baby and she's not an American citizen because her family's from Mexico that's crazy to me that's crazy that doesn't make any sense she's been here her whole life she's a goddamn American yeah like let's figure that out I have look again I have no dog in the race I was literally just trying to get to some sort of okay let's what are the facts I

didn't like that's one thing like we I I got I talked to everybody I could on both sides and again again it's so confusing that even now I'm like after having like it's it's it seems like a strategy ites it could be look it could be a strategy and there's a strategy on both sides for sure and but you're it's just like it's it's it's so [ __ ] up to try to find the facts on this stuff everybody has facts don't like I'm going to be inated with everyone has [ __ ] tons of

facts but what are the [ __ ] facts because it's real exactly right well that's with so many things I mean we had that with covid we have that with the Ukraine war like who's responsible is it NATO is it like what did someone cross a red line would someone violate an agreement what is happening in Israel right are they really hiding in tunnels like is Israel really shooting Aid workers what what is going on what what are the real facts what are the facts and and and that's what I want to do on the

on the podcast and sometimes you get there and sometimes you don't and immigration obviously being a very interesting one and I'm going to continue on it because I'm like it's not satisfactory although maybe that's just the answer the answer is it's such a [ __ ] huge and confusing issue wa it is absolutely a huge and confusing issue and also if you're a human being you have empathy comp if I lived in Ecuador or wherever these folks are from and I found out you could just cross America or you could get on your app and

you can get into America 100% I would do it and you would too and yeah we have the greatest country in the world and that's why people want to come here and yeah you have this land of opportunity it's amazing but what we really have do is make sure we don't let in murderers and [ __ ] killers and rapists and thieves and gang members and and a lot of them are getting through and that's what we have to be careful about it's not just not letting people in sure I mean I bet we could

sustain a lot more people in this country and I bet a lot of those people that come over are hardworking very ambitious people that are excited to be here they would love to be a part of the American Experience they probably love to recognize as As Americans yes immigration as it's being run right now is a [ __ ] catastrophe I think we could agree on that and it has to be fixed it has to be fixed but the question is they could have fix that but how do you [ __ ] fix it if

if nobody if it's become so political and you can get into Co on this exact same problem it's become so political that there's no [ __ ] root basis in truth and people believe on one side this thing and Believe on the other side this thing and [ __ ] nobody's going to meet him in the middle and you're like well what the [ __ ] so then they need a show like yours to like lay it out that's what it is you need something then where someone is like atast try and not come at

it from a right-wing perspective or a leftwing perspective just come at it from like this is what it is yeah and I think there's more politically homeless people now than ever I really do believe that and they're going to side with one side or the other based on their opinion mostly about Donald Trump but other than that it's like you're trying to figure out like what team you belong on and both teams are filled with Scoundrels you you go far enough to the left and far enough to the right you have the same kind of

monster that's just adopted a different ideology it's all it is well they're politicians and it's not just politicians it's gang members it's it's just the it's the politicians of course that are like the leaders but you've got these gang members because basically anybody can join anybody could join the left and anybody can join the right and there's a lot of mentally ill people out there and so they join this and their whole identity revolves on crushing the right or crushing the left and owning the libs you know that's that's a giant percentage of social media

all these mentally ill people that are in a gang and that's all it is and that's why they attack people try to deplatform them try to get them fired letter campaigns they're gang members it's a gang and it gives them purpose because they don't have purpose in their life which is why they're on Twitter 12 hours a day because they're mentally ill and it's exacerbated by social media it is because it's become so big it is informing policy I mean on both sides because because if you look at what gets adopted as narrative then it's

be the narrative is being written on social media it's not being written by traditional news right and so fine like that's that's why I'm like hold on a second I'm fascinated by this [ __ ] you're fascinated by I think pretty much everybody's fascinated by this [ __ ] it's when it's informing policy but nobody's actually reporting on it or digging in or getting in everybody's still I [ __ ] I don't give a [ __ ] about the mainstream media I give a [ __ ] about this stuff the only way you find the

truth is social media it's just you have to do a lot of sifting a lot of sifting you got figure out who's legit and that's where Community notes comes in very handy I like that and it it it clowns people on both sides yeah and it's good it's very important well that's so that's what I said I said look I'm just going to go in and try to try to dig through some of the [ __ ] which by the way proved to be a lot harder it's [ __ ] real journalism right like if

you want to do that I mean you know better than anybody it's real journalism yeah and it's look it's fun because uh there's a lot of people want to talk about a lot of stuff yeah and especially the way you're doing it now we're you know small just small baby keep it tight small baby tight ship I learned from the best nobody wants to listen all these [ __ ] dudes all these dudes they get they get big and then they have staff and I go over their place I'm like why are all these people

here dude there's so many people here this is a mess you did it right like I'll give it to you man you did it right and and by the way surprisingly maybe not surprisingly very wise I I'm I'm speaking know of which I speak I didn't [ __ ] do it right so I'm saying you did so nobody came knocking with those dollars you know I didn't have a thing that you could sell like that you know cuz my thing only works if I'm at the microphone if you're at it yeah it's a different thing

and it only works if I keep doing it exactly the same way do it baby I love it I'm proud of you thank you my friend you're a beautiful baby boy we've known each other a long time long time bro it's kind of crazy long time long time but it was back in the [ __ ] Tarzana or whatever it was just over M was that Tarzan Woodland Hills Woodland Hills Hill the old old days old school you got me so [ __ ] up on one of your [ __ ] crazy weed [ __

] this is a [ __ ] Purple Haze [ __ ] white widow probably some Joey Diaz Stu and I remember just like like either is microphone here yeah that's the problem we used to get people way high before the show and then they would kind of close off see be paranoid no it's terrible because I a couple drinks maybe but I can't like if when I'm stoned I'm like I you know I can't talk is a bad strategy yeah pretty funny though it was fun for me I used to love to get uh my

opening act super high yeah just to watch him panic when they go out there I'm like don't worry about it just go have fun you got to learn how to be yourself in that fog and maybe you can find something different when you're out there you yeah if you if if you're like smoking it all the time whatever you can get through it and but if you're just coming in going oh I'm going to sit down with [ __ ] number one podcast in the world and get as stoned as I've ever been and [

__ ] try to R [ __ ] the word the scariest thing is when you're talking and you don't know what you're talking about you lose train and you're like I have no idea what I'm talking about and I don't know what to come back to but all you need is footnotes someone goes uh trains yes yes the train that door opens up in your brain and you have access to all the information again it's weird how it sort of compartmentalizes memory like that those were I got to say though those were [ __ ]

fun and good days and uh and and you [ __ ] blew up like an atom bomb dude it's weird um but it they were fun days because we were doing it for the right reasons it was just for fun it was just to do it because like in it didn't make any money for so long it was just how long years like five years yeah something like that and like who was like it was like on it and sponsors it basically paid to keep the lights on and paid for web hosts and all you

know the how much did it cost back then to put it up I don't remember it was pretty cheap in the beginning it was super cheap because it was just a laptop and a microphone yeah that was super cheap and then we started expanding and then once I got a the first Studio I'm like well I really need a bigger one then I got a warehouse and then then it started getting weird what was the one in Woodland Hills there that was like the first iteration or second or I had two at Woodland Hills did

you go to the warehouse one I went to the tiny one yeah so there's a tiny one and then we had the big ass Warehouse we had a a gym in there and all kinds of stuff yeah it just it's like everything things scale up but yeah the the most important thing is like the reason why podcasts work I think is because people are listening and they know it's just a conversation so it it works in your mind it resonates in your mind you know there's this is not like some heavily produced produced thing where

there's an agenda and there's a script and a teleprompter and you're trying to pretend that you're being real but you're not being real so it doesn't feel right to people it doesn't resonate right and so the more people you have involved in it the more it's not going to feel right you know like my friend had a a studio and he has a glass wall and the the production staff is all working and walking around in this this behind this glass wall and he sees them and I go that's a distraction like why do you

have that this is bad for the conversation like you've missed the point the what the reason why it works is because the people at home the people that are in there they have ear pods on right now going on a jog they're just as much in this room as you and I are cuz there's no filters it's just us I'm taking mental notes right now cuz we [ __ ] up a few of those things but you're exactly right everybody thinks that they want to be a television show yeah and if you look at a

television show that's professional professional I don't think professional's good yeah I don't think it's good I don't think it's that's why like I'm to take the best comedy shows are live comedy shows you want to see comedy watching on Netflix is awesome watching live is 70% better cuz you're there it's a real experience colive collective experience to go back to your we're all tied together movie theaters yep rock rock concerts comedy shows yeah and I think once AI comes around live performance is going to be one of the few ways that we're going to be

able to connect with each other human can't do yeah yeah in a real way mhm and that's uh it's a scary a scary proposition because we really don't know like maybe for the first time ever if you lived in 1970 you were pretty sure what 1980 was going to be like maybe you're wrong a little bit but it was you're probably pretty accurate you could extrapolate you could look at it and go I see where this is going today we have zero idea what 2034 looks like we are just guessing I'll go further than that

I was driving around our studios in vanise and uh I was driving from Mal van I and I'm like if you drive through like I don't know what that that's why I said Tarzan it's probably Tarzana it literally hasn't changed a lot since 1924 right like it's like the same houses same [ __ ] like okay the cars are different but there's cars and there's phones but like okay there's bit of Technology but like it kind of is the same street looks the same there's not a lot really and you're like okay 100 years from

now this [ __ ] looks nothing yeah nothing like it does today yeah that's scary it is scary it's weird but we remain yeah we both said like look you can either be positivist about it and say look let's mold it to be like great I can [ __ ] do something I love rather than work in a [ __ ] Factory [ __ ] punching out uh you know tool and die [ __ ] pieces I can you know go do what my first love was or something that I makes me feel filled with

joy or we can become [ __ ] Autobots who are crying because [ __ ] online AI driven girlfriend dumped me well the thing is also today there's these kind of conversations that are out there that put these thoughts into people's minds and Inspire them to do something that didn't exist When We Were Young there there wasn't these kind of conversations that could really light up the fires of your creativity true and your ambition and you deci in fact it was the opposite yeah it was the opposite it was no yeah yeah shut up yeah

you had to be a real Rebel yeah you had to be a kind of a crazy person you take that path you had to be punk you had to be [ __ ] an outsider yeah otherwise people would like conformed just [ __ ] do what everybody else is doing being an accountant yeah and as you were struggling if you got outside the lines and you were taking a chance as you struggling people were praying for you to fall yeah all of them praying that yeah didn't work out because it shows them up yeah they

made the wrong choice yeah they don't like it but that's true that is true people want you to fail they do until you succeed and then they're like I was always in your corner the the thing is some people don't though some people actually want you to succeed and they want they succeed themselves they want you you to succeed like can you realize like that's a better way to live I am too adopt that you can adopt that even if it doesn't feel right because you're like grinding you trying to make it out I'm telling

you the hoping other people fail is the biggest waste of energy even your enemies let them [ __ ] just living their own life don't don't hope they fail don't don't put any energy towards it everyone's just trying to get through the day I like I I'm a Cheerleader and again when when when people I know or when my friends do well I'm like there's nobody happier than me like that's [ __ ] awesome yeah that's just awesome and Al and when people you know fail or have a hard time we're like okay bro let's

what can we do let's [ __ ] do it again let's [ __ ] get get get get back on the horse let's figure it out and yeah because otherwise it's just a [ __ ] bummer you're right yeah yeah ain't no fun that the homies can't have none remember that song yeah all right brother tell everybody where show is where where how can they find it where do they go that's good what we just started but it's I think on YouTube it's Shane Smith has questions and wherever you can listen to podcast I guess

all right but I appreciate the the plug you got to come on sometime good to see you my got come on I love you man I love you too bye everybody [Music] [Applause] [Music]