the most advanced SPYING device ever created? #privacy

Apple says the phone will know you well well there's no doubt about that it's going to know you very well it's going to know what you're doing at every moment they're not calling your AI your personal assistant yet mark my words David it will be impossible for you to interact with the AI without your personal data leaving your device your entire life is on the computer in a way that's never been collected before never to me the iPhone has got to be ranked at the top it's the the most advanced surveillance device ever made this

device can sense everything about you the phone can figure out your interest in content based on your eye movements it can see which part of the screen your eyes are focused on the new OS constantly listens to you now without even a trigger other than a voice your voice is a trigger didn't you have to press a button before (you are being watched the government has a secret system a machine that spies on you every hour of every day). everyone it's David Bombal back with the amazing Rob Braxman Rob great to have you back on

the channel. Great to be here! Yeah Rob I mean we this is I think our third interview and what's been amazing about our previous interviews and just for everyone who's watching I suggest you go and do this for yourself but I'm going to give you some history now we had our we published our first interview on the 28th of August 2022 so quite a while ago wow you were predicting phone sensing the environment and it sounded like a bit farfetched and it wasn't even a month later so on the 16th of September 2022 Apple released

crash detection on the iPhone so it's like your prediction was spot on and then previous another interview we had is on the 26th of April so this year you said the biggest threat was client client side scanning and we were talking about how VPNs were going to be like null and void because of client side scanning and month later I see TechCrunch had an article about Google using AI to scan phone calls uh while people were talking in real time and then in June Apple intelligence was announced and in August we had Microsoft recall so

again you were spot on um so just for everyone who's watching I suggest you do the same with any claims that Rob makes but Rob I I'm amazed how you can do this because a lot of the things and I say this is really unfortunate a lot of the things that you predict actually take place. (incredible) I and I had made so many predictions even before that on various topics and uh that's comes with age David I guess when you've been doing this a very long time. But I want to know how did you know

one like one of the things you said recently you said that I should not buy an iPhone 16 previously you mentioned crash detection I remember specifically when you spoke about that how I thought this can't be true and then like literally a month later crash detection was released by Apple I mean you were saying the phone could sense the the environment and could sense if there was violence or something happening so I'm assuming I mean that's still a worry right the phone can actually sense what's going on and like you mentioned crash detection originally and

I mentioned some of the others another thing you also mentioned was like um find my phone even it's off so I mean is this why you know you think an iPhone 16 is so bad. People have actually asked me on that you know find my phone went off and they're saying that I'm making that up and uh you know I I've made so many videos about this no I am not making that up because even Apple says that so just for people haven't seen the videos find my iPhone means that even when the phone is

off it can still be tracked right you said it acts like an airtag right? So what happens is when you turn off the iPhone it turns into an airtag this was released what the year ago this feature or two two years ago I can't remember now but but the feature is if the iPhone is unpowered it will go into a airtag mode and what airtag mode means is that it sends out signals using Bluetooth BLE Bluetooth Low Energy and then send you can find the phone so the phone is constantly communicating with other phones using

Bluetooth Low Energy and one of the things that people don't actually understand is how location is attached to this because an airtag itself does not have location so somebody will tell me oh your airtag according to Apple is encrypted and no one can see where that particular airtag is located and actually that is correct because there's no location in an airtag what happens is in order for this to work every phone that detects a Bluetooth airtag device has to encapsulate wrap that airtag ID and I'm sure it's hashed so you can't tell which one it

is and send it with location to Apple and then multiple devices then send the location of the airtag and then they can triangulate it based on multiple to know exactly where it is so that's how it has to work and they're saying well it's encrypted yeah the airtag has to be encrypted but your location is not meaning you're sending your location as part of the airtag tracking as it is and there's actually other things that they're doing which they don't deny that they're doing like I told you about Wi-Fi triangulation in the past where they're

sensing Wi-Fi routers around you so they're always constantly sending location. This is still a massive problem in today's world people's passwords are out there many many sites have leaked passwords leaked credentials but attackers can also simply guess passwords because people still use such bad passwords in today's world I really want to thank Brilliant for sponsoring this video now this course from Brilliant teaches you one of those concepts that a lot of people seem to struggle with and that's to do with hashing. They explain password hashing and why you want to use hashed passwords rather than

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what they added couple years ago now one of my Skynet videos that also had a lot of views Bluetooth Low Energy is a mesh Network that can actually accept traffic between iPhones without even any internet involved and the way that it's made to work and this is a Bluetooth standard it's not something that Apple invented is that every device can send a BLE message the other device can listen to the BLE message and then retransmit to the next device until that device says and end of transmission or or we got it and then say you

know no more don't retransmit and the way they're going to say it don't retransmit is when they are able to send it to the Internet so let's say you're in a location that uh doesn't have internet because there's an outage let's say there's an out I'm in Los Angeles let's say there's an outage in my part of the city then is the theoretically possible for BLE messages to go from from my part of town all the way to the other part of town where there is internet and then connect to Apple. And I mean you've

got the phone scanning the images right so I mean that's client side scanning that's right they can find that specific images so I mean that's also a nightmare you've also got all the legacy sensors like GPS Wi-Fi triangulation and stuff you've mentioned in previous videos so the the phone can be discovered so reasons you wouldn't get an iPhone 16 right is because it can detect where you are can detect what's going on around it you've got the eye tracking you've got vocal shortcuts so it's always listening like you said so the from a privacy concern

just like highlight why is this a problem like vocal shortcuts because the phone is always listening correct right eye tracking so it's always watching camera is yeah the camera is so it can see what's I tracking can see what's going on around it. What's iPhone to iPhone mirroring? Well that's when somebody can actually look at your screen so there's a technology in the phone already and somebody somebody made a comment on my video well that's all technology well of course it's old technology I'm not saying it's new but it's one of the things that it

can sense if the technology is there to look at your screen and look at it remotely well obviously that's a fear. yes I mean you you've got like the phone's always watching you the phone is always listening to you it can be connected to remotely and controlled remotely you've got AI scanning your images or AI collecting data about you locally supposedly that's supposed to say stay locally but I mean that could be sent to centralized server or could be queried remotely uh you've got GPS Wi-Fi etc so basically you've got a device in your pocket

that's tracking you 24/7 but not only is it just tracking where you are it's finding very personal information about you is that why it's like one of the worst devices to buy? I mean I can't think of the moment of any device with this kind of power yeah so I'm sure Google wants to make this kind of device but if I'm going to say which one has the technology for it I don't think any device is more powerful at this kind of environmental sensing as an iPhone I mean it's about as sophisticated as you can

get. So basically you've got an agent running on a phone that can find out information about you, you've got a device that's sensing everything around it, so you've basically got a spying device in your pocket or in your house uh just looking at you 24/7. (The name is Bond James Bond) In incredible for me and you know what I've known this what's going to happen uh since the first AI model modules were put into Apple 10 I mean iPhone 10 so I'm person I personally what uh so so bothered by that I had to store

away my iPhone 10 and uh it's now in a fair day bag because I need it for testing occasionally and I don't use any iPhones and no one in my household uses an iPhone so I'm that concerned about it. And what about Google devices because in the past and correct me if you if this is you've changed your opinion on this but in the past Google was seen to be the worst but like what's your ranking of like the worst tech companies is Windows or Microsoft the worst now or is Apple the worst now is

Google the worst now Amazon are they just as bad as each other you know what's the worst like maybe you've got some kind of ranking of you know good and bad and ugly? Yeah I I actually do but it's it's kind of a different thing now let me just tell you Google's always the worst but okay it's not on device they're not worst on device Google's the worst because it tracks every click on the internet but the Google technology is the Google ID it's the Google ID if your Google ID is known well obviously anywhere

you go on the internet the Google ID is announced now I don't know why this is such a difficult concept and I don't know why people don't understand this part because it's so simple to me everything you do from your phone that has a Google ID including iPhones because of course you're going to do something Google on your on your iPhone I mean 90% of you have Gmail and you're going to do something Google on on that phone even an iPhone and you're going to send your Google ID out anytime you go on the internet

you're identified by your Google ID because of this Google already has your personal data they don't need to infect your phone they they really got you so yeah for this reason the Google spyware is more about internet interactions whereas this is the most dangerous device to me in my mind is the the iPhone because it's more about sensing things locally and that's worse than Windows recall Windows recall is extremely bad but it doesn't have the sensing tools that an iPhone has and that's why to me the iPhone has got to be ranked at the top

it's the the most advanced surveillance device ever made and and by the way I just want to make this clear people always say oh uh but they're they're not saying that in their terms of service that they're going to use it for that purpose well every terms of service always has except as required by law you can find that on every every uh terms of service except as required by law so what is the required by law well in the case of the US it's the patron act and every country China has its own version

I'm sure well the Apple servers are in China so they don't even need that they just go knock on the door of the Apple data center say we want to look at data so they can do that ly so one thing that I want to make clear when when a company like Apple or Google when it participates in something called the Google sensor Vault where all of your locations are are stored in the Google sensor Vault and they're shared with the government which they are okay let me come back to that it is shared with

the government for sure for sure 100% is that these services including back to the days of prism which Snowden talks about the prism program I read this in Wikipedia it said that these services are paid for meaning the government paid for this they have a profit Center in sharing data with the government it it says that on Wikipedia so somebody must have information that verifies this so the problem is that Google as an example collects data and puts it into the Google sensor vault which has all of your locations whether it be an iPhone or

a a pixel or a Samsung or whatever it is it puts it into the Google sensor Vault and we already know because of court cases so many court cases where the data for location it's called Geo fencing was using the Google sensor Vault so this is not something I have to invent it's factual they're using the Google sens well it's in court documents so just to give you a bit of background again I the what my style is you look at the technology and say what can you do with this and what I've noticed with

with big Tech is if if I think they can do X they will actually do it and then the next question is if there's anything bad you can do with this Tech they will actually do it and they will speak on the side and make claim to oh we're not doing anything bad but uh yeah but historically they've always done that so when it comes to the AI issue because the AI issue is kind of broad you know you see terms like apple intelligence and they're saying oh uh we're going to give you more photos

or Windows recall the windows recall one the justification for it is so vague because they can't talk about the real reason you you want to have Windows recall so they're saying oh you can use Windows recall so that you know what you've done on Windows and like in I've been using Windows since you know Windows 3.1 uh I've been using DOS too before that and uh at no point have I ever said that I'd like to know what I did uh if anything I just want to restore to what I did you know using backup

tools but I don't know if I ever said what what did I look at a few months ago why is that necessary and that's the kind of justification that they're using because they can't announce to you what the real purpose is yet and that's going to be uh semi discussed in my last video uh which is not specific to iPhones the prior video before that was specific to iPhones and then uh the new video I'm releasing is a more general hit on AI which is precisely what what this is all about so the basic issue

is AI now I don't want to be talking about AI like you know like a course review and just give opinions and act like I'm some uh AI expert without actually you know doing something so this is what I did David I wrote programs to duplicate Windows recall and Apple's media analysis D which is part of Apple intelligence which I presume will be the same stuff used by Google Gemini so I duplicated that I actually made a video which nobody watched maybe because it was you know Pro programming so it's programming related but it was

very important to to document that I also documented how AI works and just to make sure that people understand this I didn't just document it from some theoretical basis I actually looked at the source code because was open source I looked at the source code examined and and then described exactly uh how it was going to use that and that's the transformer module that's a part of the AI that does the uh the inference of course I don't know the software that does the learning that's I don't have access to that but the inference side

I could see what it was doing and so and which is really the fear here is the inference inference is when the AI is on your device for example if you're using an iPhone Apple intelligence is doing inference uh Windows recall is not an AI by the way and this is a terminology I'm going to clarify it as well it's it's going to be in my it'll be in my video after this uh or before this uh interview releases so the Windows recall and apple intelligence are run by an AI you can consider the AI

it's a separate entity it it runs on your device but the actual actions that we worry about are done by something called AI agents so the AI itself is kind of like a typical LLM you you ask a question of an AI and gives you an answer right that's what an AI does if you think about it how can that do anything bad to you it's just giving you an answer you ask a question it gives an answer and that is actually true an AI by itself is not dangerous because all it can do is

you ask a question and gives you an answer where the danger of that kind of AI is if it gives you an answer that's biased in which case then you're not getting accurate information but that's not in itself the kind of privacy danger I'm talking about the privacy danger is something called AI agents and that is what we're talking about here and that's what Windows recall is Windows recall is an AI agent uh the media analysisd that runs on on Apple devices I don't know what they call it on iPhone but on a Mac it's

called media anald you can look it up you can go see that running process media analysisd you can try to shut it down and that's the module that is an agent there are many agents I'm sure there's a location tracking agent a sensing agent and all these different agents now what do this agents do what this agents do is collect data so in the case of let's talk Windows recall because that's so specific and and easily duplicated which I did so Windows recall works by screenshot so it's taking screenshots every few seconds so I actually

wrote that program I actually wrote a program to say let's take screenshots every few seconds so I I don't want people to you know think I'm just you know making this up so I wrote a program that said okay screenshot every few seconds now of course for efficiency you don't want the screenshots to take constant photos of the same stuff so if you're screen the static you you know you you went off to get some coffee your screen is still taking screenshots no so what I did was I made a code that said let's take

a screenshot only if the screen changes and I gave it some arbitrary number like 20% change if the screen changes take a screenshot and somebody will say well that's the that's very inefficient actually no as it turns out when you do a screenshot which is only a millisecond really if you do it and compute if the screen changes before you do it it's actually not happening all that often it's it actually doesn't even take that much CPU power you you're not even going to sense it so if it detects the change it saves it to

a file now what I did in my program is I said okay take that file the screenshot you did and send it to the AI now this is the AI portion of this so the AI agent is taking your data sends it to the AI the AI then evaluates a photo and I told it to evaluate what seeds and then put it then it returned it to the agent the agent then stores the description of the screen into a file this is not theoretical actually I did I did it I built it uh I couldn't

share the source code because people would think I'm giving out malware I think I would be banned by YouTube if I did that so I I did not show the source code but I'm going to tell you the reality is uh I was lazy I had the AI write the source code the AI wrote it okay it didn't work I had to tweak it but you know it did a good chunk of the work so so I didn't have to uh spend my time fiddling with it it didn't take that long and then um then

you look at the text of what it sees on screen okay now that's that's just part of the equation so we know that a Windows recall can in fact examine your screen and evaluate what you're looking at on screen and write it in kind of a summary file it can do that yeah media analysisd the module that is uh uh the Apple version looks at your photos in fact it looks at anything in file manager I think because it seems to trigger with anything related to any file change so if it spots a file in

its you know media it's able to do the scan and of course Apple already said it's scanning and putting into a hash file which is the same concept that Windows Recall that it puts a description of the image and if some of you you know say well you know you're uh see rising all this well that's what triggers your timeline y uh is that what they call a timeline? yeah like your history right of your photos? yeah yeah where it it actually you know put you can search for for a topic on the on your

photos and uh I don't know what the wording is I think it's timeline so but anyway the point is you ask for topic and you know the photos that relate to that topic come out well strangely how similar that is to the concept of CSAM that we've talked about before you know client sides of CSAM same same same concept you as the user can search through your photos by description which is what Apple intelligence does which is what Windows recall does which I'm sure is what Google Gemini I will do I I don't have any

experience with that but that's what it's going to do so now we have a case here where your phone is accumulating data about you personally and then store it into a file and then you got the device history so Apple and Microsoft don't have any personal history about you because they don't track you over the internet and what they want to do is make the AI a personal system and this is very important because this is really where where this is all leading this is why they never never explain to you what Apple intelligence is

really for or what Windows recall is really for and the the reason is or Windows co-pilot actually officially the reason they can't tell you that because they can't do it yet it has to build data so the data that it has to build is what I call a personal profile or personal context so once the information about you and what your likes dislikes what you do on the computer you know what your preferences are uh what kind of music you like once all that's accumulated it is now stored on your computer so now your machine

becomes kind of a duplicate it's a duplicate of your brain it's basically duplicating what you're thinking everything about to is now on your computer now at that point that's where the AI agent can now interact with the AI and this is really a very very important point here what will happen is when you use an AI like Apple Intelligence or Windows recall oh Windows co-pilot sorry and you ask it a question let's say uh you know what what movie should I watch or you know choose some music for me or something like that that implies

some some personal knowledge what will happen is the AI will take your personal context or personal profile and send the AI agent will take your personal context and send it to the AI the AI can then respond and give you an answer now I I actually proved this and actually wrote my own chatbot to to explain how this actually works the way AI works is if you just ask an AI a question without any context it will give you a pretty random answer that doesn't relate to your taste right can you imagine asking the a

I uh select the best music for me well it's not going to know anything it's probably going to ask you well what kind of music do you want yeah it's not going to have that knowledge but then AI that's been given this background I call it a prequel will be able to do something like this this is now the issue so the AI stores your behaviors your your your activity anything that you do into this profile and feeds it to the AI this is actually how AI Works AI Works uh there's actually many technical terms

in AI for this that I've duplicated myself and that is for AI to actually be practical you have to actually send it a context that's actual official word context it's a context memory and currently the the original AI that you know from from many months ago from the beginning of the year can handle maybe 2K context like 2048 context meaning you can give it a summary of something that doesn't exceed 2K but the new AIS in fact the new one from uh the model from China was 64k that was pretty high and then the new

chat gpts have megabytes megabytes of context and then they're planning on having unlimited context now what that means is you have the AI with its intelligence then you add intelligence to it with something called context so it's context plus learn data and then the AI then takes all of that and responds to you and the reason this is important because AI by itself only knows what it knows from what it learned and it learned it from two years ago or a year ago or whenever the learning was done so it is not able to respond

to current events or current knowledge or your personal profile now so that's the mechanics of an AI and that's really the issue and most people say okay so what this is really the question so what wh why why am I talking about this what what is the importance of this well the problem is this personal profile context that I'm talking about that's a description of you your entire life is on the computer in a way that's never been collected before never now we're talking about a new style of observing you somebody over your shoulder this

is the AI over your shoulder here looking at you and saying what are you doing oh you're like looking at this kinds of photos how interesting that's the AI oh you uh you're very political I can see that you're doing all this uh you're uh you're an artist oh yeah I can see the kind of artistry you're doing and exactly what subject matter you're talking about all of this is now known by the computer in a way that it's never been done and said that is now on your device now Apple will say this well

that's okay hey and they actually admit that the computer will know you well okay Windows recall says the same thing the computer will know you well and we say well that's not a problem well you know me and prediction right yeah so you've enabled a technology that collects your personal data and puts it on the computer so what stops the AI or the agent from sending that summary of you elsewhere what stop that no I mean just technologically what's stopping it and somebody will be a fanboy and said oh no no no that Apple says

they not going to do that what is the actual technical limitation it's going to be a small file you know maybe a a megabyte at most that describes you it says oh this person is uh leans leans right and does this and does that and you know and describes you in some way that somebody can use and maybe it's certain behaviors oh uh he has uh interest in these kinds of things and I'm not going to mention anything that YouTube doesn't like so we'll say you like jazz right you're like jazz it's you know so

so let's say that uh somebody at HQ at Apple or Microsoft says let's search for all the people who like jazz now I love jazz so I they track me pretty much but they they track me to the point that they know exactly what I'm selecting on Spotify right so not only does he lik Jazz but he likes this particular music and he likes it in the background while he's doing spreadsheets you know so they to that detail so now that's the problem is that that data now can be queried and Apple Microsoft Google can

state to the world and can state to anyone buying their device that hey we're very private we're we're not we're not looking at your screen no sorry they are looking at your screen but we are not sending your data externally and that's true they can make that claim all they want iPhone is privacy window recall is privacy we're just kind of like stupid out right Windows recall is privacy but that that's what we're talking about is they're making the claim which is you know politically nice claim that hey your data never leaves your computer your

data will never leave your computer and they will actually be accurate that's actually going to be true but nobody said the summary of your data or the observations of your data will never leave your computer it's impossible for that to happen let me give you a specific again back to predictions I mean you know this Common Sense stuff but yep but just just so you understand so you're you're uh you're on uh Apple intelligence you're on Apple device and you want to write an essay something near and dear to your heart and if you go

to college you know they uh they tell you when you write an essay that the best way to appeal to the reader is to put your personality into it it's got to be personal Dave you're describing your personality I which is how I make my videos is personal if what you write is personal it appeals more so then I asked the Apple intelligence llm the uh large language model AI on the iPhone if I had an iPhone and i' say write me an essay on my love of jazz well of course the LLM inside the

phone is fairly small let you know I I can't imagine being larger than your typical 4 gigabyte model so it's not going to have the power to come up with a very sophisticated essay so that's what you're asking for an essay so what is it going to do well as you know Apple already said and windows co-pilot has said this as well and and that's the architecture is that the small AI on your device will then send your query because it knows it's too complicated will send it to the big server now if you didn't

know this the the large servers now for inference is now on Microsoft's data centers and they're the biggest right now they I I forget how many thousands of GPUs that they're putting in a month GPUs thousands of GPUs it's a it's some huge number like you know four four to 10,000 GPUs a month a month expanding their servers to handle because the GPU is a measure of how much inference it can do so Microsoft is has very big servers now and obviously it's not relying on the AI of your little device or your computer or

your laptop it's looking to pass that uh request onto the big servers where you can do the more sophisticated tasks like write an essay and by the way it's using open AI because Microsoft is now the biggest owner of open AI so if you're going to write an essay David how do you have the big AI write an essay ask that same question of ChatGPT just you know she don't believe me go to ChatGPT go open the browser and say write me an essay on how I love Jazz see what it's going to come up

with it's not going to come up with anything because it doesn't know you doesn't know you but Microsoft co-pilot will know you how does it know you well obviously it has to pass the personal context because that's how AI works it needs context there's some there's some more technical terms of how you you put a database of search criteria and data and add it to the AI I'm not going to get into that but the the context is a kind of a general description of it so AI always needs this context in fact that's how

AI is used to do text support you pass a context for example in a business case if you're doing an AI on you know H how to repair some rocket parts it's going to go to the manual take the appropriate part of the manual put that as context and send it to the AI that that's how that tech support would work same concept here except it'll be your personal data now you you can see here that it will be impossible for you to interact with the AI without your personal data leaving your device I I

don't know how it's possible. So your prediction is not only is a client side scanning where they're scanning all your stuff locally but they're going to be sending your data to central servers is that what is that what you see that's coming right? Right but not not in the same way that it's stored by Google because right now Google of course stores everything you do on the internet click to do on the Internet is stored by Google using Google analytics and your Google ID and uh Google Google ads and so on so that's a different

process because that's stored in a database here it's stored on your computer and send it send one shot to the AI now somebody will say well they're not storing that and you know what you're right they don't need to why would you need to store your personal contacts they don't need to all they need to say is AI all the AI around the world find me this guy that loves Jazz and does internet privacy that has a YouTube channel find them find his device would the AI find me think about that that's pretty specific the

guy that writes the videos that makes the videos about privacy loves Jazz find his device then give me his personal context and tell me what else he does how do you stop that how do you stop that is there a way to to stop that I I personally have no way of knowing what kind of program limitations this is not like this is not like an algorithm like end to encryption that you you have a specific math thing that you can say oh we are certain that it's going to be secure because of technology called

end to end encryption there's nothing to stop this so once you've enabled the AI on device this is the difference here because the AI is on device why can't you tell the AI on device to do something well you can because you can interpers an AI AG agent so this is where I'm I'm specifically talking about it's not the AI itself it's the agent you can instruct agents to be on device to do anything you want so that is my prediction now David this is not possible yet somebody will say oh Apple intelligence is not

even going to go online till December or yes even if it goes online in December it's not yet the risk because it hasn't accumulated the data yet Windows recall needs to accumulate the data Apple intelligence needs to accumulate the data on device so give it a year a year from now the AI will know you and then Apple will have ads that say your personal assistant and this is the word that I'm looking for personal assistant so my warning to you is you haven't heard it yet they're not calling your AI your personal assistant yet

mark my words David mark my words once they accumulate the data they will start calling your AI personal assistant (hello I'm here oh hi) Why can't they do it yet because they don't have any data yet a year from now hm two years from now whoa so this is a building threat so we're not there yet as far as data the architectures to accumulate it and the framework is there to use it now one point I want to make here what does it relate to let's say Apple and what I claim about Apple on the

iPhone well Apple has already stated that they could look at your phone client side scanning and see if you're collecting photos illegal photos called CSAM you know we know that Apple said they can do this now they said we're not going to do this so they suspended the project I I've always thought this was kind of a a test of the technology to say you know how do people react to this if it's done for a positive purpose but the fact is what I was talking to you about asking the AI to scan your device

is exactly how this CSAM was supposed to work meaning they already proved to you that they can do exactly what I just said about your AI being able to examine your content and send it elsewhere there you go. So your prediction is client side scanning is what we spoke about last time that's happening now where they scanning your device AI is running locally scanning all your information so they've got that information but the next step is push that to a centralized AI which they need to do like on an iPhone if it can't find the

information locally then you can get it to use ChatGPT as an example so but that information could be sent to a central AI but then the scary part comes in now where a government or whoever could say okay find me this person that fits these criteria or find me these people and these through the AI connect the central AI perhaps connecting to all these many AIs if you like running on the devices they could find you find something specific about you did I understand that right? That's correct that is correct. So every single device becomes

a spying agent for a government or a company whatever um so unlike in the past where the devices were more dumb now the the the the agent running on your phone or your computer whatever is an intelligent agent can understand exactly what you're doing can make summaries of that information and that can be queried now that's where it gets scary is that is that right? That's correct now you even use the proper term agent which is very funny because agent is an official AI term I I didn't make this up this they're actually called agents

and agent is a programming task that runs like a demon program so that's the actual official term in the AI lingo and surprisingly it really is an agent it actually matches his purpose it's a spy agent. So the agent running on your device collecting all this information about you it intelligently understands information like your photos like you can just on an iPhone search for like a number plate and it'll find that information or just search for some something in a photograph it'll go through all your photos find that information for you very easily so it

understands the context understands the data about you it builds this context like you mentioned or this this profile of you as a person it understands who you are knows everything about you that at the moment supposedly stays on the device so it's only scanning locally so client side scanning local scanning but in the future the governments are going to be greedy with this kind of information and want to get access to that so at some point the government could query everything about you from a central location if they wanted to kind of right? Right but

there there's a part that I didn't mention and spec which is specific to funds and which is specific to uh my video on on Apple intelligence and that is the sensors the sensors portion so we talked about media scanning you know scanning uh Windows recall scans keystrokes which is pretty bad. yeah keylogger I mean that's malware by any security. Yeah but they're saying well it doesn't leave your computer so it's okay it's your own data so but yes so I duplicated it too I wrote a program then doing key logging and then having to AI

analyze that I you know I wrote that people should watch that video and and if you're a programmer type so you can see exactly how I did that which is very easy it was wasn't a very hard task to do if it's not hard for me how hard can it be for Apple and Google to do I mean it took me a day so can't be like uh super complex now the problem is the sensor so now this is why I specifically focus on the iPhone so not only is it doing client side scanning of

media and possibly keystrokes the iPhone has certain things that it activated you have to wonder why they activated it like this for example vocal shortcuts so somebody said well you know iPhones could always you know interpret your words yeah but back in the day you had to press the button or you used to say Hey Siri or something okay now vocal shortcut doesn't even require any of that it just reacts to anything anything you say which really to be to translate that for you means the microphone is always on and yeah yeah yeah the Apple

intelligence never reveals that to anybody else all the data stored locally yeah same same same logic for client side scanning but that's one sensor and that bothers me a lot as well just right there that the fact that conversations are being listened to and the AI understands your conversation because it's listening and the AI can do you know voice recognition and translate that to text pass it to the AI and then say okay this is what they talked about they talked about buying a car which Google would love Google would love this then they got

the IR scanning and I you know even I was surprised by this did you know that your iPhone is doing this IR scanning to see what's around it depend I don't know what the range of a typical IR is but you know I IR can reach you know the same as your TV you know what the 10 ft 12 feet so it's scanning the environment so the IR scanner is uh is on the top of your iPhone and it's actually scanning movement sense shape and can actually you know kind of tell what's happening around it

that's a sensor then on top of that Apple says oh we're doing uh eye scanning and then I have to understand the technology of eye scanning here you can't do I scanning with IR IR is not for IR is more shape shape related because you know it's it's trying to look for heat heat spots to do eye scanning you need a camera you know am I mistaken here that's my understanding of how eye scanning has to work the camera has to be on which means the camera is always on for the AI I mean that's

scary concept again the argument is none of this leaves the phone but yet Apple says the phone will know you well well there's no doubt about that it's going to know you very well it's going to know what you're doing at every moment I am your father and this is now part of the data that's accumulated by the AI agent which can then be fed to the AI as part of your profile so this is the additional risk of a phone versus let's say Windows recall Windows recall doesn't have the capability to sense that because

you don't have devices like that on your computer. yeah Rob I mean you mentioned the US right I live in the UK and um I have to be really careful what I say now um but I mean you just can do a search online to see what's happening in the UK with regards to privacy and with regards to how governments are or the or the government is like making decisions with regards to getting access to to any information um they don't want enter encryption they want to basically have access to everything and um people yeah

I won't go down that rabbit hole and that issue but basically you can see the headlines recently in the UK and what's going on here so I mean I think for a lot of people it's okay governments are doing things that a lot of people don't like in the US you have freedom of speech freedom of speech doesn't necessarily exist in the UK um again I have to be really careful for what I say what can us as normal people do do you have any advice about you know what can we actually do because you

say don't get an iPhone don't get a pixel you know don't get a Windows computer don't get a a Mac you know do I get Linux what do I do? Well you need to find a device that doesn't have the capability for client side scanning and so it's really that that basic and I actually made a video talking about options and the idea of course is to not have some AI on the device and by the way you got to be careful with this because I don't want to generalize it saying that all AI is

bad what what is bad is AI controlled by somebody else meaning they have agents controlled by somebody else you can have ai on your device that you install yourself I I do I have I'm running an AI on my Linux computer in fact most of the AI developers use Linux so Linux is very well suited for AI use so that's different when the AI is yours and you control it in my case I put an open source AI on it but what you don't want is when somebody embeds the AI into the OS now that's

very I'm being very specific here AI embedded into the OS so to be specific with you I'm talking about Apple intelligence Microsoft co-pilot and Google Gemini so you got to stay away from all that so how do you stay away from all that well one of the safest options of course is Linux so on a computer if you're using Linux it's not going to have any of that by design and and Linux doesn't pre-load any AI you can load your own AI on it but it's not controll by anybody else so you're good there so

that's one of the if I were in the UK in fact if I'm in the US even if I'm in China I wouldn't want any kind of AI on device that I do not control OS OS embedded AI now there's a lot more options than the phone because they're actually uh many solutions offered and one of the general Solutions offered is called a degoogle phone which uses AOSP which we've discussed you know in prior videos and then you can also have some other open- source equivalents like Linux now at the moment this is not yet

mainstream running Linux like Ubuntu to touch on a on a phone so the the main popular option is that degoogle phone and there are many OSs that of course can run on a degoogle phone and you know you you have you can run the any of those and you can put any of those into a phone and they'll all be fine because they're not going to run Google Gemini. So Linux on your desktop degoogle phone so you you do you sell phones as well right so that's all that's an example of degoogle phones correct? Correct

so we we've been selling our own phones and we actually provide a service in our store to degoogle phones for you if you're not techy enough to do it but the prior model we've had was sold out oh it's uh year and a half ago now so we just came up with a new model that is going to be released in January and it's on pre-order right now it's called the Brax 3 and this will be a very fairly priced phone this is probably the first time that the phone is going to be available at

this price level and that is because we want to do mass marketing here we want every want to have access not just people who can afford it so this phone is priced pretty much at half the price of even the original Brax 3 it's pretty Brax 2 so this is very inexpensive. The other options I mean the one that comes to mind is graphine Os or you've got um Kalix OS there various other options the whole point is don't run the default standard uh Google operating system correct yeah? Correct yes so don't forget there's another

one called IOD IOD OS that's another one that I've introduced so uh any of those will run fine they'll they'll do the job for you. So run Linux on your desktop run one of these degoogle operating systems the moral of the story is don't use an iPhone don't use a Google operating phone um I think that the problem with some of these degoogle phone is the cost so it's good to hear that you've got another solution for like a a cheaper phone if you like or a less cost a less expensive phone what about like

your family you know how do you convince them to to not run the stuff because you know it's fine for me to have a degoogle phone but then my partner has an iPhone? Yeah so and this I you know I don't know how to you convince somebody to to leave Google if you know they're so attached to or using an iPhone you know you you you have to believe in privacy but what happened is uh our Brax 3 phone for example is priced at$ 279 that's go to$ 279 and I'm going I be honest with

you people are buying them in batches of four or five because you know you buy four of them and you're just paying for one iPhone you can almost take the risk and say okay I'll take the risk and uh see if we can use it even if you use an iPhone part of the time only that's already a big deal so let's say you you put certain activities on on a different phone and maybe use the iPhones for certain things because it's tracking you remember so do you care if it's tracking you at work probably

not so you know that's not absolute but do you want it to be part of your personal life maybe not that's maybe when you switch phone. So Rob as an example I think you've shared in the past like you use Linux for certain tasks but you'll use let's say Mac for editing or something like that that's an example of that right? I've actually stopped doing that. oh okay. So so I'm uh yeah I I I'm so scared of Windows that I don't want to do anything Windows so so yes I can't leave Windows because I'm

using DaVinci resolve and I can't get it to run on Linux even though it's supposed to run on Linux so what I've done is have an isolated Windows instance that I only use for one purpose it doesn't have any data whatsoever I don't use for anything else I don't have email I have nothing on it so Windows recall can run on it all day and it doesn't sense anything because I'm not doing anything on it so I use it only for editing which is however long editing takes it will spy on my editing I know

that it will take screenshots of my editing of a public video no problem that's all it's got to see. So for everyone who's watching Rob and I have done previous interviews as I've mentioned I've link those below I've also put Rob's Channel below please go and subscribe and show the love Rob you've created a whole bunch of videos covering this and much more in a lot of detail right? That's correct. So please go and subscribe show the love Rob thanks so much for coming back on the channel and thank you you know for being a

champion for privacy. It's always such a pleasure to be with you David thank you for having me