Jan Gehl explica o conceito de cidades para pessoas

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one year of one of your many books which is cities for people what is it about that aren't all cities made for iron aren't all cities for people this particular book is actually a protest book against some dominating ideas of City Planning or paradigms of City Planning which have been very dominant in the second part of the 20th century and one of them is a modernistic city planning ideas there among them that cities are bad and freestanding buildings are good streets are bad pudding buildings on grass is good and also you must never put residents

workplace recreation and transportation near each other always separate spread them out that was some of the basic ideas and these ideas the first time they were really carried out in big scale for everybody to see was in basilia and that's why I call this idea basically for the Priscilla syndrome Brasilia is interesting because it looks fantastic from an airplane it looks very interesting from a helicopter and down where people are at I live it really does not look good at all and the truth is these guys they never thought about people in the streets people

in among the buildings they just made the buildings and then what was left between the buildings were leftovers and then they started to call in some landscape up to come and do landscaping then they looked out of the window to see if people were happy they were not because they were built completely different from the old cities in the old cities they always started with there were a place where some people are walking and then they put up little sheets along the the past and then after a while it became buildings houses and then you

had a street and so the old buildings were always starting with life and then space and then buildings while the new ones was buildings first and then landscaping and then perhaps life but actually never life and never comfortable life and it took us maybe 50 years to find out all the bad things about modernism because all knowledge about people in cities were thrown out by the modernists they say all the old stuff is not valid anymore now we have the modern man everything should be different from everything else but Homo sapiens is still this high

he is still a walking animal we still have the same biological history we still have a horizontal sense sense apparatus we still can see only so far and so far so is all the basic things are the same but now it's called modern man but he kisses the same way he looks at the girl the same way he stands in the corners the same way everything is the same from Homo sapiens so the only one which changed were the city planners and it's taking us 50 years really to prove that that kind of city planning

is not humanistic it's not people friendly and we can do much better existing cities we can repair them and we can do much better new cities then Brasilia or then many of the stuff you can see here in Sao Paulo and this is what I hope we increasingly can see we really saw from around 2000 change in paradigm no more modernism no more car invasion now we are striving around the world to make livable sustainable and healthy cities because this old City Planning idea it also was supported by motor ISM by the cars who should

bring people from one to one to one and that means that for 50 years we made City Planning which invited people to sit all day and now we know that that is major problem for the hills these guys who have been sitting and that's called the seating syndrome these guys who have been sitting they live shorter they go more to hospital and they have a lousy old days because they have bad health in the old days and they are much more costly for the health system so we know that if people say have a little

bit of exercise one hour every day they can live seven seven years more and have a much better quality of life and cost much less for the hospitals so that's why we found in thing that every time a guy goes on a by City one kilometer the Society saves I think it's 35 cents and if he goes one kilometer in a car the society loses 14 cents so the more they bike the more economic benefit from the for this society very interesting even for them moderator City a better City yeah so there was also mental

health right there was a big study I think it was led by Harvard and Sao Paulo where we are now is the world record bearer of mental illness a lot of anxiety a lot of stress and a lot of panic do you think this has to do with the way cities are the city was designed I can easily see a connection and also maybe I could mention why I as an architect became so interested in how the built form influence in life that was because very early in my career actually right when I was finished

I married a psychologist and she and her friends kept asking why are you Arctic's not interested in people why don't they teach you anything about people in university in School of Architecture you know about buildings they don't know about people and then of course in the days of the modern is the days of Brasilia they didn't thought that built form had anything to do life life will go on business as usual but now they had modern buildings but it's not so buildings have an enormous influence on the life if two buildings are made with such

it if distance and with such a distance it's completely different situation down here here people meet the other people and is intimate whatever here they cannot even see to the other side of the space so we know that built form has enormous influence on the life and the quality of life that's what we know now and that is what we are applying now to see it is a new towns worldwide personally I am very I'm very old I'm 80 but I worked in this area for 50 years and I've written one book after the other

this book which is sort of the sum of what I know came out six years ago and already now it's out in 32 languages from Indonesia to Greenland and to Japan and to Argentina and I am I'm of course humbled and very happy to see that the interest is so great but this distribution shows that all over the world people are very very interested in coming to know more about how can cities be humanized how can they daily day life for people in cities become better that is why this bookshop quickly has been distributed and

it's not only the books your firm have been has been hired by many of the biggest cities in the world right they've been working for New York for London from all big cities in Australia and also for some power - would you say that your ideas nowadays you were talking about the paradigm would you say that your ideas are more and more the new paradigm is it what new architects are studying at school it's still a transition period and still there are many old guard who believe that form is everything but I believe that good

architect is not about form because that is sculpture good architect is the interaction of form and life and only if the interaction worked will and that this form supports life in the area and the building will is it good he takes you so architecture is now a wider thing is not only form its form plus life and now we have worked hard to bring the life into the equation so that architecture student learn it is a combination my friend this one will give you machines for living this one will give you cities with a soul

you've been to Brazil quite a few times already right you've been here the your firm has a big project in downtown Sao Paulo you've been invited to talk a few times I imagine that you had the opportunity to to get to know some of our big cities what are your impressions our Brazilian big cities made for people I have been here specifically to study Curitiba and in a previous book I've wrote quite a bit about Curitiba and in a series of great cities around the world I thought that what they've done in Curitiba is quite

extraordinary also I've been in basilia and I've wrote in this one why this is special and I was not so happy there as it was in Curitiba and then I was had been in Sao Paulo oh sorry in Salvador and in Rio de Janeiro and now in in the South Paulo I think that some of the cities are quite interesting and all the cities have nice and interesting areas but generally the quality of the Brazilian cities are not as good as the quality of cities in say Sweden or something like that because the market forces

have been too strong here the automobile industry have pushed cars into the cities and the developers have gone on doing all this quick buildings without thinking so much about whether it would be a good city if you had more towers generally it will not be a good city you have to know why you're doing it and what is most important in city plan you have to know where you're going so all the good cities I know are they have a very specific plan by 220 will be here by 230 will be here by 240 we

have no more fossil fuels and by 250 we are here so and and so there is this these plans to gradually change the direction instead of going on with business as usual it's so important that you have leadership and that you have missions and that you have goals to meet and you know where will this city be going and this I could challenge all the pacinian cities actually all cities in the world to have these goals because we can't go on using fossil fuel polluting the air challenging the climate and being more and more fat

and having a lousy life and being afraid of each other we have to do address these things which are vital for the well-being of Homo sapiens if you follow public debate about cities here in Brazil in some power specifically you will listen to lots of people who tell you ok bikes are cool they're cute Copenhagen is incredible but simple is not Copenhagen you know there are a hundred times more people here and you can see it it's a place with a lot more urgent social problems and with less money why bother you know suppose so

far away from from Copenhagen while fine it's not about making at all it's about Homo sapiens and again I gather that the Homo sapiens living here also and this kind of humanistic CD planning ideas they can be used on all levels from a little village a hundred people to a big city in Africa or 30 million people or Tokyo and it's not about copying copying because for every city there will be specific solutions the only thing we know is that the motorcar is on its way out driving is going down in America and Australia public

transportation is on its way up around the world bicycling also is on the way up around the world because it is very smart to climb it and to Hills so there's a number of things changing and we know that we have to find new ways of mobility because the old idea of mobility of the motorcar that every individual have four rubber wheels and that will give you mobility that is not true in cities it's really a horrible mood mode of mobility in Indian cities it's technology which is far outdated we just going on blindly and

I think that in just twenty five or twenty years we will see rapid and drastic changes in the way we organize mobility in cities because what we do now is not smart and having more of that doesn't make us twice as happy it makes us trisys unhappy so we will see changes and we'll be forced to see changes because the climate are not waiting and the health problem is not waiting for solution we have to address these do you have an advice for mayor's for people who are designing City all over Brazil you know the

problems of our cities not all cities will be able to hire your firm so what should they think about how should they deal with their space maybe I should say that my firm is one thing and my research is another see we talked about changing the way people think and all my six books in all these 35 languages they are all made to change the way we sync and then at some point 15 years ago so many mayors come and say you can criticize but can't you comment show then we made the company and the

company they tried to put some of these ideas into real life and we have worked in very interesting cities like Moscow like New York London Melbourne Sydney Rotterdam Copenhagen coming Riga Zurich 200 cities around the world and many many interesting things have been made also but they worked here I have the impression that then there are not so many things to look at here yet but maybe they will come yeah there are more things in New York to look at more things in even more things in Moscow which are being completely transformed really the Moscow

is change in fact who wouldn't imagine it but that's because they have strong leadership in Moscow they mayor's say you do this they do yeah no discussion so your firm has a project here in Sao Paulo in one very symbolic area of downtown Sao Paulo which is a yoga baahubali yeah and the project has been a bit polemic some people have been accusing it of helping gentrification of the area how would you respond to that there's your way of preventing gentrification is to make things as bad as possible and don't do anything and to me

that's not a solution if we have a possibility to make the world if we have a Drock in a doctor's toolbox which can cure people I think we should give it to the people instead of holding back and say maybe most of the drugs will go to the rich people we have to do as best we can and this gentrification system the problem is we shall make more nice places so there are nice places for all of us whether we are in one or other or certain economic layer in the population so gentrification is not

a matter which the city planners shall solve that has to be solved politically by making rules that there shall be mixed-use there shall be affordable residences in every districts and things like that it's not about making it as bad as possible they were another thing you see a lot in the public debate here in Brazil is people saying that you know a city like Sao Paulo is too big to fail you you can keep experimenting things the city has to go on you can treat people as lab mice you can use experimentation the city's the

way it is you have to let it function how would you respond to that you don't have to experiment anymore because this humanistic movement of City Planning with our binti talking about has been around now for 20 years and has been utilized in a number of big cities among them New York and so it's not pioneering to do something like this it is something which you can learn about and there are pioneers all other places so you don't have to be a pioneer if you don't do anything you're lacking behind that's the problem it was

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