Give Me an Answer - All Religions Do Not Say the Same Thing. Jesus Is Different From the Rest.

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why can't there be multiple gods that we can believe in and why can't there be multiple ways into heaven good there can be but you see what you've got to answer ma'am is why would you believe in heaven have you ever been there neither am i so in light of the fact you've never seen heaven why would you as a thinking human being believe there's a heaven i mean through the christian faith is there not the the communication that if you are you do live by the faith you get and you are forgiven you go to heaven yes but ma'am my being convinced that i'm going to heaven is based on one thing the trustworthiness of jesus christ because i've never been to heaven so i don't know if there's a heaven or not from my experience and i can promise you austin is not heaven okay it's a very nice place but it's not heaven right okay can you see ma'am when it comes to heaven you're gonna have to trust somebody the same way i'm gonna have to trust somebody and the question is why do you trust whoever it is you trust so because muhammad contradicts jesus and because jesus contradicts the avatars of hinduism and because the avatars of hinduism contradict siddhartha katama buddha and because they all contradict baha'i faith you've got to be on the intellectual level of a cockroach if you say they're all saying the same thing they're not man they're contradicting each other so either they're all wrong or one of them's right and now you've got to study the gospels for yourself matthew mark luke and john and you've got to ask yourself does the evidence point to jesus being the truth and if it does trust him but if the evidence is that christ is a liar you'd be a fool to trust him do not trust jesus if the evidence is he's a fraud he's a hypocrite he's a liar don't trust him but if the evidence is he's totally reliable the evidence is he really did die and rise from the dead then you can trust him and he's the one who promises heaven to everybody who puts their faith in him [Music] a lot of my friends are atheist and agnostic okay and here's something that my atheist agnostic friends have to acknowledge if they're being intellectually consistent because they believe there's no heaven no day of judgment that has big implications for now today and the implication is what you and i do with our lives is ultimately meaningless why where are hitler and mother teresa if there is no heaven and no hell where are hitler and mother teresa the same place the fertilizer pit they're decomposing which means ultimately it does not matter whether you are adolf hitler the second or whether your mother theresa ii because we're all going the same place the fertilizer pit you see jesus says no there is eternity out there and there's a heaven and a hell and there's a day of judgment which means the decisions that you make today are really significant they really matter and you are really valuable because god wants you to live for eternity with him in heaven and becoming fertilizer is not god's plan for you and desire for you does that make any sense yeah of course thank you so much for reasoning yes sir there's been a couple issues of things that you've been saying that i have questions but i'm just going to do a quick quick short one one of my main questions that i always have yeah um it's just that given what you touted earlier try omni god on the benevolent omnipotent mission just all powerful knowing all caring um how do you explain the existence of evil and suffering you bet very slowly having to acknowledge i can't give you a complete answer i do not know ultimately why god allowed evil suffering and but here's my first point if you're an atheist or if you're an agnostic what is your solution to the problem of evil and death my solution to the evil the solution what is your solution to the problem of evil and death if you're an atheist if you're an agnostic solution for everybody just to be as good as possible i mean everybody should aim for being good according to their own definition of good right becoming yeah own definition good whether it's objective good from god or objective good from another source well remember the atheist or agnostic says either there is no god or i don't know whether there's a god yeah so good is not defined by god if you're an atheist yeah if you're an atheist if good is defined by your culture or by the power of leader by yourself or by majority opinion it could be just defined as good just good just exists whether god or not how can good just exist good good could possibly because i i don't know if there's a god or not um but i mean if there is such a thing as a god that is out of time like that is eternal why can't other concepts like good just be out of time and eternal just a thing that exists like god okay sir good is an intangible value you cannot see good you can't either you can exactly you cannot measure good right you can't measure god it could externally just like it could just be god it could just be god it could not be just god it could just be the existence of good and evil that just exists in the world but given a try omni god who's all-powerful and all-caring why evil and suffering exists right it doesn't make sense to me okay good i and we're hang with me and we'll go in order to understand goodness there has to be a mind this tree has no understanding of good this cement has no understanding of good see could good can't just exist because goodness requires definition and it's an intangible value that you can't measure you can't grab goodness which means you've got to have a mind involved in defining what is good if we're going by that definition then what what is defining god what created god we'll get to that all the arguments you could give for god could also go for good just in a general concept it could just exist eternally out of time unmeasurable no sir that's not fair if if god exists god doesn't depend on anybody if goodness as an intangible value exists it depends on a mind because it might also be an intangible intangible obviously that's right it could it's like coming from a different viewpoint outside of trying to see where you know the reasoning for things you could say that it could be what we define as god like societally could just be the existence of just that good in the same context of eternal and timeless and all that like if there is no god goodness is not eternal because goodness demands a mind to define it then which means if then giving that same argument then what mind defines god there would be something above him if something has to make him or define him no god can be an eternal being without beginning without end i don't think you see my point because time good just goodness could be the same thing you're not listening sir you're giving goodness a different definition no sir you're not listening to me and i don't appreciate it i've told you flat out and i think you're smart enough to get this point goodness defy demands some mind to define it the tree the cement has no ability to understand goodness you've got to have a mind do you see that or do you disagree with me i i i think we're coming to different definitions of good because then like there's still outside of that though given your definition of good still why is evil suffering get my definition of good your definition of sin i'm just saying given yours why does evil and suffering exist all right we'll get all right we're dating that partner okay but sir i got a real problem with your thinking all right i don't think you're being honest with yourself that's not fair you know very well that i've cornered you totally intellectually you know very well that you cannot have goodness without some type of mind to create and define it it's impossible this does not define goodness that does not define goodness and that camera does not define goodness and your glasses do not define goodness neither does your shirt your pants or your sneakers you've got to have a mind to define goodness sorry you have no option intellectually this has nothing to do with god it has nothing to do with jesus that has to do with simply thinking fairly all right moving on the next okay but your point is okay but if this good god exists why is there evil is suffering it's real simple sir if an all-powerful god chooses to partially limit his power by giving you a free will by giving me a free will then if i go up to her slap her in the face and say god made me do it what am i a liar a total liar god gave me a hand for a purpose to respect this woman to love this woman but because i have a free will i don't have to respect her i don't have to love her i can steal her backpack i can smack her around i can abuse her and if anybody says god made me do it they are a liar flat out so why does evil exist evil exists because god limited his power he's all-powerful but he limited his power by choosing to give her free will me a free will all of us are free will does that make any sense well it kind of answers it for humanity it's suffering also suffering also exists just in the animals good why does a zebra deserve to get his throat crushed to death by a lion like how is that caring or just like coming from a christian standpoint we have sinned as humans coming from the christian stance so we are you know we have free will and we can make mistakes and all that yep but why not why have animals just you know not have their perfect little ecosystem where nothing has to suffer and only human suffering very good now we're thinking all right so genesis chapters one and two god creates a good world god created this and god saw that was good god created that and god saw that it was good god created this and god sees it's good so when god created he did a good job no evil but genesis chapter three records how human beings rebel against god and one of the consequences of human beings telling god get lost get out of here is god honors our free will takes a step back from planet earth and nature unravels and so you're absolutely correct sir animals suffer i have suffered we all will suffer not because god is sicking us but because god created a world with free will people with free will we chose him to tell him to get out when he gets out so chaos fills the gap genetic breakdown death occur because so because humans decided to reject god god punished the animals one of the causes seems uncaring and unjust no given a triumph no it's a it's an issue of consequences who put texas state together did they do it last summer well the consequence should go to the humans that did it you don't punish someone else for somebody else's misdoing that would be a nice way for things to happen but unfortunately because i have free will if you're a husband and i smack you around it might affect how you treat your wife when you go home tonight it might affect how you treat your kids when you go home tonight you see for me to think that well i've got free will and it's just me and it's just you and there are no consequences to where the way i exercise my free will that's a lie total lie well how i would interact with animals is one thing but how animals should interact with each other why is suffering exists between animals not from humans to animals but between animals suffering exists why are they being punished through suffering between themselves they're not they didn't do anything wrong correct you're absolutely correct they didn't do anything wrong the same way little babies that i have to bury didn't do anything wrong but they're born into an unfair world where birth defects occur and so babies die not because they've done something wrong they have not done anything wrong but they are born into an unfair unjust messed up world thanks for raising those issues yes ma'am they're also born with original sin though which okay what does that mean a good catholic friend what does that mean um it means as a consequence of at correct me if i'm wrong but as a consequence of adam and eve eating the apple all the following children would be born with this original sin that would have been an effect of mankind previously correct okay maybe and um at least also the way i was brought up was that um if you were not baptized or had your original sign reversed you would not be able to make it to heaven i don't think there's any biblical basis for that but wouldn't like original sin be a spiritual birth defect good oh now i think we're onto something here okay so what on earth is original sin original sin is simply this i am born with a readiness to sin factor doesn't mean that everything i do is evil my atheist friends do a lot of good they've got a conscience but all of us have sinned every atheist every agnostic every christian jew buddhist hindu we all have sin part of the reason we have sinned is because we're born with a readiness to sin factor let me give you an example when i was four years old i was in a sandbox playing and my friend had the audacity to hurt me so very naturally i took the up the metal truck and i said really bam never seen that behavior modeled before but i very naturally took up the metal truck slammed it on my playmate's head and it wasn't pretty i am a sinner that's my son over there walking this way he used to sit on a baby chair i would put a glass of grape juice in front of him and i would say stuart do not knock this glass of grape juice off this tray and with a smile from this ear to this ear he would backhand that glass of grape juice off the tray he was born a sinner same way as old man me was born a sinner now what does that mean it means we have a readiness to sin factor but we cannot blame our sinful nature for what we do because we still have a free will so if i slap her and you say wait a second cliff what'd you just do to her why'd you do it and i say because of my sinful nature that's a cop-out because i still have a will and see here's the challenge the challenge for me is to overcome my sinful nature with my will and make responsible decisions and that's why the whole line of thinking at texas state university which is i was born with this desire therefore it's good it's a crock what can i ask you then do you believe that babies are born with an understanding of good versus evil or do you believe that it was taught by human nature good very good question i'll answer this and then stuart you answer it i am convinced that my little granddaughter who is six months old his daughter has no understanding of what good and evil are but i am convinced that when she comes of age and i think for different people that's different she will develop her own understanding of good and evil will that understanding be heavily influenced by her environment yes ma'am will her understanding of good and evil be limited by her environment no once again smack sorry you're getting hit so many times today you asked me cliff why'd you do it and i say to you because i grew up in an environment that taught me that women who wear this color sweatshirt deserve to be smacked that doesn't cut it because although my environment taught me that i still have a conscience a rational mind and i am responsible before god to exercise that and to contradict my culture to contradict my environment when i begin to realize my environment is wrong let me give you one quick example i played major college basketball i was the worst guy on the team i had good seats for every game but i can promise you almost not everybody but almost every guy who i played college basketball with had a very clear understanding of what human sexuality was all about it was all about getting as many good-looking women into bed with them as they could and so i had to exercise my conscience and my rational thinking i had to ask is that why god gave me my sexuality to have sex with as many good-looking women as i can and was it tempting to follow their example i mean that's the environment i mean shoot we flew on a jet to different played against ucla st john's nc state wake forest i mean we you know we were high flying okay and so we all knew what we did at night all right so i had to make a decision is that the right way to live is that the right way to treat women is that the right way to express my sexuality or has god created my sexuality for a different reason so i had to contradict my culture and guess what i've learned to respect people who contradict their culture and don't support racism i work with some skinheads and those skinheads grew up in a culture that said white superiority is clear but there's some skinheads who said no it's wrong and i'm not going to follow my culture so that's how i think through that issue all right stuart what do you think well i would just add to that for because we've talked so much about kind of the moral ethic side of things it's important again to remember that the christian faith is not about just be a good person somehow you'll get into heaven just be a good person you know i'm a good person so i'm in no to your question many babies are born into whether it's a crack baby or whether it's a baby born into a very religious home or a christian an amish baby let's just say they're typically born into homes that are very tender loving as long as they don't leave right and they get excommunicated tender loving they get taught ethics see when you become a christian cynical pharisaical judgmental christians will say oh well you should be say nine out of ten on the ethic standard wrong in terms of you should be a great person but no christ understand that the baby born into an amish family versus the baby born into a crackpot family this baby when they come to know god from a very young age they're going to be higher ethically in terms of how they live than this one who is say probably ethically living a pretty messed up life at least at first and yet they both have eternal life because they've accepted christ it's not like somehow this one is going to be higher in heaven like there's levels than this one but then why give original sin to something that doesn't even have a working conscience yet i'm glad i heard you say give original sin one more time because i say that earlier because god doesn't give original sin see i debated an atheist on youtube not too long ago he's a comedian and that's what he kept pushing me on out of the book of isaiah briefly talks about how god creates evil but if you look at the interpretation what it means is god judges different people groups when they have done tremendous evil so just like that passage with original sin god doesn't give us original sin he gives us free will just like with satan to decide whether worship him to love him to have a loving relationship with him or to just go our own way to live for ourselves to live any old way we want and then that based off of genesis 3 and what happened in the garden with adam and eve what they decided that were god we're gonna flip you off we could care less about you then they lived their own kind of way and original sins started but to your point absolutely we're born into a messed up world so we do have a readiness to sin factor i believe you said that from the earliest of ages but babies will also be in heaven because when david's baby dies the wife his wife was bathsheba he says i will go to you you will not come to me so babies will be in heaven based off of the question earlier on suffering does that make any sense yes thank you so much for raising that yes sir um so i believe in god and i turn christian and i know it's only because i'm american and obviously the main religion in america is christian yeah so that's why i lean towards christian but i have a question so it's not a good reason to lean towards christian okay i appreciate your honesty and your your ability to analyze yourself yeah please do not believe in jesus christ because you grew up in america not a good reason no no so i've been i believe in god good and i didn't before right but i'm still stuck on this whole jesus thing yes because if he's sinless or if you send this like is there a possibility that there will be another person born that's in this or is jesus the only one well jesus is the only one that i know of so far who's been born sinless and i think it's highly unlikely that someone will be born sinless i guess my main question is is i can believe in god because i know i can't see him factually but i have a belief in him yes but i don't know if i can believe in jesus because he was on earth yes and not everybody was there to prove whether he was sinless or not like he wasn't surrounded by people 24 7. good point very good point so maybe jesus did sin at some point but i have to follow the evidence and the evidence is the apostle john lived closely with christ for three years and in first john john writes in him is no sin so you're right john didn't live with jesus intimately for three 33 years just for three years yeah but i can promise you if a dude lives with jesus for three years and can honestly say i've never seen the guy sin that's pretty impressive then in john chapter 8 jesus looked at the faces of his enemies and asked them which one of you can prove me guilty of sin and his enemies were silent whoa i can promise you my enemies can point out many times that i have sinned stewart tacitus plenty of the younger josephus many of these external sources he was talking about internal sources with the gospels talk about not so much jesus jesus was talked about in a way where he he was a magician josephus talked about how he was nasty but then other sources contradicted him saying that he just hated christianity that's why he was saying that about jesus so i would look more so at his followers to talk about the sinlessness because they were known for a few different things one against infanticide they were pulling babies off of garbage heaps two egalitarianism they treated everybody equally three they were made up mainly of the of slaves who were coming into the church fourthly they were non-retaliatory they were known in a very weird kind of way to actually not get revenge on other people groups which was huge during that day so i'd look at christians as the evidence for christ okay now i like you a lot so you're being honest so keep going yeah so maybe this is just like the belief part but i have a hard time believing that part like i i i can believe in god because i know i can never see it that's i mean we can never see god well we can never see him like visually why are you believing god because you can't see him no no i mean i couldn't get too deep into it but it would take a long time but i'm saying like just reading the book and believing that there was a human that did that i have a hard time believing that like a really hard time okay but i'm pleading with you you've got a good mind sir you articulate and think well now remember you can't believe in god simply because you believe in god you believe in god because there's evidence a lot of it's common sense well my evidence is that there is a objective truth good from that there is a good all right but i don't see jesus and all that i don't see the equation of that okay but remember we're starting off then with defining faith you don't believe in god simply because you believe no you believe in god because there's evidence that god exists right yeah okay excellent now just do the same thing with jesus read the gospels yes and yes it's going to be different the the evidence that god exists is not historical it's philosophical right you see order and design points to a designer you see a moral absolute an objective moral points to a moral law giver okay you've got your evidence now when it comes to jesus it's not going to be philosophical why because he claimed to be god in human form but i like that because that means we can historically analyze christ which is why paul writes in first corinthians 15 if jesus christ is not risen from the dead we're idiots for believing in him because the veracity the truthfulness of christ is based on his claim i'm gonna die and rise from the dead oh that was a big mistake jesus what's the mistake you gave us a way to verify you or falsify you if you don't rise from the dead you jesus are a liar but if you did rise from the dead you jesus are the truth when you move to a new town oftentimes the best place to meet people is in a church community we are grace community church located in new canaan connecticut we are a bible-based non-denominational church my name is stuart connecly one of the pastors at grace community church i'd like to invite you to one of our services we have a 9 a. m at 10 a.
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