Joe Rogan Experience #2221 - JD Vance

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day going all right how are you sir good man how are you doing very nice to meet you yeah nice to meet you too what is it like uh running for vice president of the United States how crazy is this experience uh it's pretty weird it's pretty weird uh you know I was just telling you this earlier but the first time that I've been in a public spot without Secret in the room is right now so I'm

like looking around for these guys because I'm used to having them it's 3 months right so he he asked me the Monday of the RNC convention which I think was June 15th and I really didn't know that morning I thought that he was probably going to pick me but I didn't know for sure probably 6040 basically and so I had no idea I get the call around 1:00 at Milwaukee time at the RNC convention I'm hanging out with my kid another one of my kids is in the other room asleep cuz you know our kids

are young so they nap still and uh he makes this call and he's like hey do you want to be my vice president I was like was it literally just like that well actually what what happened is I get a text message from a staff member on his team that says he just missed a very important phone call and I don't know you know cuz there's so much inbound traffic that I think it just went straight to voicemail so I call him back and I'm like Hey sir what's going on he said JD you just

missed a very important phone call I'm going to have to pick somebody else now you know so I'm about to a brick here and then he says no no I'm just kidding obviously want you to be my vice president and the the funny thing is you know my seven-year-old is in the background and he has no idea what's going on and I love that right it's one of the good things about this he has no clue what's going on he's like Daddy who are you talking to he's talking about Pokemon cards right and um I

you know Trump hears my son in the background and he says well uh who's that and I said that's my seven-year-old son you and he's like put him on the phone and I'm just anxious for him to get this statement out because in my mind it's not final until the statement is actually out and he he he talks to my son and and he reads the statement that he is going to put out on Truth social announcing that I'm the VP nominee of the Republican party and he's like what do you think about that Yuan

and my son y's like oh that's that that's pretty good that's pretty good he gives the phone back to me he's like I have no idea what the hell is going on he doesn't that means he has no idea and and of course I remember this story because because in particular and the Madison Square Garden rally of a few days ago was the first time that my son actually met Donald Trump so he'd spoken to him on the phone but hadn't actually met him until the rally at MSG and my seven-year-old really wanted to tell

him a joke and he remembers this phone conversation and so he tells him this joke and Trump kind of Chuckles but also is probably judging me because it was somewhat inappropriate joke for a seven-year-old to tell but yeah here we are well that's the only ones seven-year-olds remember that's right well it's like you know I have a I have terrible language it's it's one of my my many flaws but I was raised by my very workingclass grandmother and she was actually very interestingly she was a very devout Christian but she also had you know a

language that would make a sailor blush and so I talk like that because I was raised by this woman those are fun ladies those are fun ladies and she was a great she was she was awesome uh she had an amazing she's an amazing person a huge personality right we called her a force of nature because she was such this this big personality but my wife's rule is you know basically he's only allowed to cuss when he's telling this one joke so oh that's hilarious he told exactly he says it 14 times a day yeah

I early on I told my kids you can swear in front of us like go but don't just don't swear in front of other parents and don't swear for no reason right well because they judge you right the other parents judge you how old are your kids well the the youngest ones are 14 and 16 and I have a 28-year-old but when my uh 14-year-old was two we were on a skiing trip and uh we we were about to leave we packed up all our stuff but her helmet we forgot to put her helmet away

I go ah we forgot to put the helmet away and she just looks down at the helmet and she goes and me and my wife is just like oh my God it was so funny there's just something adorable about a 2-year-old that doesn't know that you're not supposed to say just that cute little face well I mean my my uh my four-year-old he was three at the time we were going cuz you know we live in Cincinnati but then I'm a senator so we spent a lot of time in Washington and I was taking my

four-year-old solo he was three at the time on this trip and we're on like a Delta flight we're in the back I'm kind of wondering cuz you know I've got bed head and I'm thinking to myself do any of these people know that I'm a senator cuz I look like right now and my sort of geta away with it I don't think that anybody notices who I am and we're sitting there and my son drops one of those bis cof cookies in between the the seat and he looks at me and he says Dad well

and like 12 people instantly turn around and look at me it's like oh Senator Vance your son has such colorful language I'm like oh my God I'm such a terrible father and these people are all judging me yeah but it's you know but you're right it's so cute Ador yeah it's it's so funny but yeah I got to do a little bit better about that because they're going to start judging me people need to relax little bad words every now and then it's good for you I think it's good for you I gets a little

steam out I agree it's good do did was there any part of you that was like do I really want this job because it comes with so much it comes with not having the Secret Service in the room it comes with this enormous change of your life this insane responsibility you everybody's watched presidents especially age radically dramatically yeah and everyone but Trump kind of amazing yeah the dude just didn't age it's so strange it's like it barely affected him everybody else is like like they're getting radiation sickness and he gets out of there looks exactly

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get in the game Call of Duty Black Ops 6 available now uh it really is amazing I mean one of the first times that I I sort of spent like a large amount of time with Trump was in 2021 and I was thinking about running for the Senate so I was down in Mar Lago talking to him and my initial reaction on seeing him was like oh my God God you look really good you actually look healthier now than you did 6 years ago normally president's age very very badly you know yeah I mean look

I I I definitely thought okay obviously this is a big it's a big thing right and my you know talked about it with my wife a lot because she's like a she was a working corporate litigator she's got a very big career she's much smarter than I am and we definitely it was a marital conversation some ways a tough one because you know even though yeah I'm a senator we're still pretty Anonymous right like we can go on vacation or we were till this happened we go on vacation yeah you'd have people stop and ask

take a photo or say something you know nice but most most people if you went somewhere didn't know who you were right now it's it's literally impossible for us to go anywhere what's that shift feel like like you're 40 years old right so yeah I I mean like right like this just off a cliff complete different life yeah that's right that's right I mean it's it's it's been I mean look in some ways it's really nice because people come up and say really nice things to you they tell you you're they're praying for your kids

they're praying for for your family doesn't it like if you go through yeah no of course yeah um uh through like the super woke blue haired parts of Brooklyn you know it's interesting when we were in New York for the MSG rally a few people saw me and flashed the universal New York sign for we're number one right so you know they like us even New York City but it it's it's definitely weird to just not be anonymous at all anymore right and that's taken some getting used to I I think part of it is

also so let me just give an example so Sunday morning we want to go for this is the this is the event Madison Square Garden we had the morning where I didn't really have anything going on had a couple phone calls so we want to go for a walk with the kids in Central Park and normally you would walk out of your hotel and walk into Central Park and hang out with your family now what requires we have to notify Secret Service and so then they have to scope out an area where they can make

sure that it's going to be properly safe and so instead of walking out our hotel room and taking a walk in Central Park we hop in a car and show up in some in a part of Central Park that's 20 blocks away and then of course as soon as we get out everybody's like well who the hell is this because there are 14 car motorcade there so the lack of anonymity is definitely an annoyance that comes along with it but I I mean I I I'm the kind of person where you just take the good

with the bad there are a lot of benefits to it there are some downsides to it it's what I ask for I try not to think too much about it or complain too much about it I just try to accept it I think obviously if we win which you know 6 days from now I think we are going to win I think we'll have to sort of get into more of a routine with it my attitude thus far has been well it's only for a few months so you can do anything for a few months

is the adjustment um is it like is it difficult was it pretty easy did you just accept it like this is how life is now well it's you just you have to accept it but it's not easy right I mean in particular for our kids right like okay I really like to drive and 99% of the time that if we're as a in the car as a family I'm driving my wife's in the passenger seat just cuz I like to drive and I think for our kids getting used to oh we're not going into our

car we're going into this black SUV and daddy's not driving right there's some other person there they don't know right yeah or you know like one of the first things that happened we're back at our house in Cincinnati the the weekend after the RNC convention and we're sitting there watching like some stupid show Emily and Paris on Netflix or something which sorry I don't mean to call that a stupid show I actually think Emily and Paris is a masterpiece but set that to the side bracket that one for now um but watching some Show on

Netflix and you know you just you see one guy walk past your your window and you see another guy walk past your window and it's just a secret service agent patrolling just little things like that so you know it just you recognize that your zone of privacy is very narrow and that takes some adjusting and getting used to and you know there are all of these these small little adjustments but by and large honestly like I love our secret service detail our kids are really into them they sort of see them as their their police

protectors our seven-year-old it's funny you know he's in second grade and one of his buddies their their parents came to us and said do you know that the kids are playing this game in school called uh called boss man where basically one second grader will walk down the hallway or on down the playground flanked by two separate second graders like they're playing secret service now playing secret service now school so like on the one hand that's really bizarre and I hope that it doesn't permanently screw up the psychological development of my kid on the other

hand it's kind of funny and you just go with the flow and you try to work with it yeah I guess they're just making fun with it yeah is like did you have presidential aspirations before all this is this something that you had considered about the future was it like how how did you approach this yeah I mean you it's it's one of these things when you're elected to the Senate and you know I'm a pretty young guy I think it was I'm the second youngest United States Senator right now you certainly think like is

this something I might do in the future what does this look like what would you need to do in terms of getting your family in in the right mental space and just making it happen but it's all very abstract right it's it's not all that different from you know 10 years ago thinking about starting a business that I never started right it's just things you think about but you never really think that hard about right and that's kind of that was kind of my attitude towards it I I started to realize that Trump was thinking

pretty seriously about making me his VP nominee probably earlier this year because he would ask me a lot about who I thought the VP nominee should be oh boy and i' you know exactly and i' give him and I'd give him names of people that I thought would be pretty good at it and a lot of the names that I gave him he would he would criticize and I almost felt like he was inviting me to throw myself out there but the I mean it's funny the morning that he was shot in in uh Butler

PA was the first time that he and I ever talked about it it so that was a Saturday just think thinking about I guess it was probably June 13th cuz I think the convention started June 15th I go down to Mar Lago that morning Saturday morning and I'm talking to him for the first time because the media always ask me I was like one of the rumored shortless candidates I kept on getting these questions from reporters have you ever been have you ever had this conversation with Trump and the honest answer was no well Saturday

morning that changed because I go down there and he's like what you know what do you think why why why should I choose you um why should I not choose these other guys like we just had was in the running you know I don't really know actually I I really don't know come on man look I I I I I think I think that there were a couple of senators that were being considered a couple of Governors a couple of former cabinet secretaries but you don't really know because when Donald Trump sat me down I

mean he talked about 10 different people that he was thinking about naming and this was two days before he made the selection so he's playing like a little like let's see how JD thinks game yeah I think so and you know he he told me that the he was talking to the gardener at Mar about who the who the Vice Presidential nominee should be and that's one of I think Trump's sort of political Geniuses is he talks to everybody about everything and I was like well what the what the Garder at Margo have to say

about this conversation because this really directly in impacts my life and you know he he basically said well I think I'm probably going to pick you but I don't know and I'm not ready to make a decision and then he looks at one of his staff members who's in the room he's like actually wouldn't it really set the world a blaze if we just made the decision today and so why don't you come up with me and we'll just do the announcement in Butler Pennsylvania well and and I said and of course not knowing at

the time what was going to happen I was like absolutely let's get this over with because I'm sick of not knowing let's just get this thing over with and then he's like ah no I'm not going to I'm not going to do it up there we need to prepare for it better so look I'm not saying it's going to be you but I'm thinking very seriously about it have fun we'll see after Butler PA and then of course I go back to home to Ohio oh boy he gets shot you know the initial reaction is

I actually thought they had killed him because when you first see the video he grabs his ear and then he goes down and I'm like oh my God they just killed him and I was so I mean first I was so pissed but then I go into like fight ORF flight mode with my kids I'm like you know all right kids you know we were at a we were at a mini golf place in Cincinnati Ohio I grab my kids up throw them in the car go home and load all my guns and basically stand

like a centry in our front door oh and that was my that was sort of my action to it anyway I really didn't know it was going to happen until Monday morning I didn't know who else was being selected I think it was all the names that people sort of see out there right all good guys like nobody I have any any personal animosity towards but obviously you know here we are how much did you study the story of the Assassin the attempted assassin how much have you paid attention to you know what Crooks or

cooks or whatever the guy's name is in Pennsylvania I mean I've read a fair amount about it and it's pretty bizarre it's very bizarre it's bizarre they haven't been able to get into his phone well they got they got into his phone um didn't they have they I I I thought they've I thought they said they did maybe you know better than me well maybe they got into his phone but they couldn't access his encrypted messages or something I I I thought there was some deal where they they haven't really gotten his communication yet yeah

I maybe haven't read it as closely as you have so don't take that as gospel probably you have access to more information but maybe you can't talk about it no TR trust me there's nothing about this that I have access in information I can't talk about well there was a lot of weird stuff to it one of them is that his uh where he lived was professionally scrubbed so they got there there was no silverware there's no silverware place scrubbed right yeah there's nothing there's no no DNA no hard drives no nothing and how do

you get that close I mean you know do you shoot guns yeah okay so I'm a pretty good shot I served in the ring Corps for four years uh an AR-15 from 140 yards away is a shot even without a scope he didn't have a scope right I don't believe he had a scope without without a scope I've shot an I've shot a M16 many times and an AR15 without a scope there is no it is shocking that he's alive it really it really is I I mean I you know I'm I'm a person of

Faith but I I think it's a genuine miracle that that guy didn't kill him but how did he get so close there's a lot of really big questions he was walking around the area with a rangefinder before the event and people were yelling and saying this got a gun he's on the roof yeah you know there was that crazy I think it was a BBC reporter somebody with an English accent who did the report on the ground with the guy you know he's he's like got a Maga hat on and a Bud Light he's you're

probably not a Bud Light he's got some beer and he's talking to this guy who saw Crooks get on the roof and he's yelling at him it's an amazing clip he's yelling at him like Hey he's yelling at police officers saying hey this guy's on the roof go and get him and nobody responded to it and it's the whole thing is very fishy to me and I hope that we win and then get to the bottom of it cuz I think somebody clearly screwed up not it doesn't seem like just screwed up like the the

excuse that the lady from the Secret Service had that they couldn't put snipers on the roof cuz the roof was sloped like all of it is bananas the whole that's ridiculous that's ridiculous and the the miracle is Trump turns his head at the last second at the very last second he turns his head to look at the chart and the bullet just grazes his ear that's right he's got a people keep there's this stupid conspiracy out there he's got a mark on his ear I saw it he has a mark on his ear and people

like why isn't there a hole in his ear because it's just the edge of the skin got hit that's all it was that's right it's the luckiest of luckiest shots ever for him unfortunately not for the people that were behind him cuz a couple of people got shot and for anybody that thinks that that was staged you don't understand shooting there's no way you can graze someone's ear from 120 y you can hit them Center Mass you're not going to be able to graze their ear you could kill them easily accidentally if you were faking

something like that well we've all seen the graphics right of him turning his head and if he hadn't turned his head that it would have went right through his brain and there was another one that went to the left side of him right that barely that barely missed him yeah that barely missed him and then instantly that guy is dead and then they take a hold of his body he's cremated 10 days later there's no press conference there's no toxicology report no one talks about it on the news right and when there's a school shooter

we usually have the person's Manifesto out there a day or two later we know nothing about the motive here which I think is the craziest thing you know I'm obviously he's motivated because he hates Donald Trump but you don't know anything about the secondary motive I man it is weird it is really we don't get a Manifesto is when they're trans when they're trans they hide those manifestos the N that that the Nashville shooter man that was crazy have you read any of it I've read some of it and pretty wild it's pretty wild and

yeah I mean that guy and they decide that's bad for the cause so they decided and they they decided to suppress it but no the Nashville shooter I mean just while we're on the topic went in and murdered a bunch of children at a Christian school because he or she like whatever was motivated by some very radical trans IDE ology and that is something we should talk more about as a country 100% And they didn't want if if there's any other ideology that led someone to mass murder you would examine that ideology very carefully it

was some sort of radical religion people would be like very concerned about that radical religion that's right and it is it's radical religion of War exactly what it is it's this weird idea that you are so virtuous and so correct you're allowed to commit violence against these other people because they're the oppressors even though they're children well you know these these signs that are in super woke neighborhoods I'm sure there's plenty of them in Austin like in this house we believe science is real no person is you know what I'm talking about okay so I

don't know your religious background but like I'm I'm a convert to Catholicism it's like was raised Christian became an atheist came back to Christianity got baptized Catholic like five or six years ago um and what is so interesting about this in this house we believe is it's so similar to the Creed that you declare every day at a Catholic mass right we believe in one Lord Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God and there's almost a similar Cadence between the the Christian Creed and what these these guys are doing with this hyper woke stuff

and then there's the rallies and then there's of course the various rituals and it absolutely is a religious Faith there was this really interesting post that was um you know I forget exactly who wrote it but the title was gay rights as what was it um it was like gay rights as religious rights but the second Rights was r i Tes and it was a guy who was like a pro gay rights guy but sort of made the observation that when you get into the really radical trans stuff you actually start to notice the similarities

between a practiced religious faith and what these guys are doing yeah and it's it's very interesting I actually met earlier with a friend who lives in Austin who's like a you know kind of a gay Reagan Democrat and he's he's very very interesting guy is is a fascinating guy he's one of the smartest political philosophers I think how do you be a gay Reagan Democrat I you know I I don't know um it's just kind ofan Democrat I mean he's he's basically like now what you would call a trump Republican but he's a political philosopher

and he writes about economics right that's sort of how I got connected to him I had no idea he was gay when I first met him but you know he I I'll never forget he sent me something like six or so years ago and it was Elizabeth Warren when she was running for president and she was like we stand for all non-binary to Spirit and all of the all of the like lgbti plus she was talking about all the plus and she was cying it and he sent me this this text message with this Elizabeth

Warren tweet and he's like I don't know what the hell to Spirit is we just wanted to be left the hell alone and I I think that frankly I wouldn't be surprised if me and Trump won just the normal gay guy vote because again they just wanted to be left the hell alone and now you have all this crazy stuff on top of it that they're like well no no no we didn't we we didn't want to give pharmaceutical products to 9-year-olds who are transitioning their genders we just wanted to be left the hell alone

well a lot of gay guys feel like the whole movement is homophobic which is ironic cuz they think there they think that there's people think there's something wrong with being gay so what you really are is a girl yes and they think that a lot of this is being given these thoughts are being given to gay kids these kids would just grow up to be gay men and instead you're getting them to convert their gender it's pharmaceutical conversion therapy right and it's profitable which is terrifying it's terrifying once corporations once pharmaceutical corporations have uh they

they have a pattern in a history of profiting off of things they want to keep profiting off of it they don't want to just stop and so right now this has become a profitable Venture that scaled if you go look back from like 2007 to 2024 there's way more of these air quotes gender affirming Care Centers and they're profitable well and this used to be something that the old left right the criticism that was made of American Healthcare which I always thought made some sense as a conservative guy is that when you have the profit

motive influencing government policy around Healthcare then yeah okay sometimes the profit motive can be a good thing like we're going to develop life-saving cancer drugs we want that to happen right and I'm with people making a big profit for that but then sometimes they'll try to manipulate government policy to make their own drugs more profitable not because it's good for health but because these people just naturally like most people want to make some money yeah and that conversation has totally disappeared like I got into a big argument and you know this person you can read

about the New York Times later disavowed our friendship and leaked our text messages to the New York Times but the breaking point was I came out against this gender transition for minors when I was running for the Senate a few years ago and she's a transgender individual and she kind of flipped out on me and I I I the thing that I never understood CU she's like very much an old school leftist is are you not at all a little bit worried about how rich people are getting by prescribing experimental Therapeutics to 9 10 12-year-old

kids like this used to be something that the American left would have gone crazy about and now the PE the only people who are raising concerns about it are conservative Republicans but we should be concerned when because it's not just like the lobbying and the influence I mean there there's something called the diagnostic statistical manual it's sort of the the manual of psychiatric disorders and I think that we're on the DSM 5 as it's called which is the fifth edition of this manual you have drug companies that are making money that are lobbying to have

you know child dysphoria put into our psychiatric manuals because then psychiatrists will treat that condition and then those pharmaceutical companies will get rich from it somebody should be interrogating whether the political incentives of our country actually align with the financial incentives of the pharmaceutical industry because often times the answer is going to be no but nobody's asking that question well we've always known that children are very easily influenced and that children shouldn't be allowed to make life-changing decisions when they're very young that's why they can't get tattooed absolutely we've always known that and then all

of a sudden because of gender that's abandoned we've completely changed the way we think that children oh they just know I've had mind-numbing conversations with people who believe that and it all falls apart if you just keep asking questions just ask them to Define how can you know this what about the development of the frontal loob what about this understanding that children have never been able to make life-changing decisions you don't allow them to drink alcohol you don't allow them to get tattooed they can't join the military when they're 10 like there there's a lot

of you can't do when you're a little kid why are you letting them just change their gender what does this even mean and then the New York Times thing that comes out where it shows that they had a whole study about these puberty blockers that showed that they do not help the children's mental health and that they probably have a lot of horrific side effects and so they decided not to release they de not to publish that right which shows you the corruption of science is that we're actually not publishing studies that suggest the gender

transition craziness has reached the boiling boiling point I mean you know you have you've had you you have kids I have a four-year-old and a 2-year-old every single day my four-year-old or 2-year-old will come to me and say something that is batshit insane because they're four and two like my four-year-old will come and say Daddy I'm a dinosaur right I'm going to take him to like the dinosaur transition clinic and put scales on them and the thing is this czy ing them and some parents it's just the I'm just going to say it even though

it sounds gross they want their kid to be a part of the lgbtq thing because it looks like a flag of virtue that they can post in their front long oh look we have a queer child like oh you're amazing there's a weird thing about it with some of these nutty parents where you could imagine them in there there has to be some reason why this enormous percentage of Hollywood kids are trans like how many celebrities have trans kids it's new it's not a thing that was going on just a few it was rare in

the past right it becomes a social signifier for a lot of parents and we have to be honest about that fact and if you look at you know look at where the gender craziness is the most common it's most common among upper middle class to lower middle class white progressives now you could believe okay that there's just like something genetic going on in the mind of a wealthy white Progressive or you could believe that this is a cultural Trend that we should be questioning a lot more than we are right now and unfortunately I mean

here's one thing that I really worry about is okay think about the incentives people are very good at rationalizing things if you are a you know middle class or upper middle class white parent and the only thing that you care about is whether your child goes into Harvard or Yale like obviously that pathway has become a lot harder for a lot of upper middle class kids but the one way that those people can participate in the Dei bureaucracy in this country is to be trans and is there a dynamic that's going on where if you

become trans that is the way to reject your white privilege right that's the social signifier the only one that's available in the hyper woke mindset is if you become gender non-binary nonbinary is the best one because you don't even have to do anything you just say I'm not I could say I'm non-binary and like you don't have to do anything but all of a sudden you're a part of the group yeah well that's right and and again I I think it's important to sort of you know most people are not saying oh I'm white privileged

how do I become part of the privilege set but it's these weird ways in which these ideas creep in to the mind to to the mainstream and people are very good at rationalizing these things and so what I think 20 30 years ago even among very well-to-do white progressives like an 11-year-old says I think 11-year-old boy says I think that I'm a girl most of the time we would have said oh that's ridiculous and crazy and you know haaha and come back to me in a couple of days now I think there is this massive

incentive to try to say oh my God is does that mean that my kid is trans and I also think it's to your point very warping on the minds of young kids because what they're now doing is taking normal adolescent curiosity and normal adolescent discomfort like I don't know a single person who went from the ages of 10 to 15 who didn't say oh like sometimes I had some you know weird ideas or I dressed weird for a couple of years or something right it's a confusing phase for most Americans we take that normal adolescent

confusion confusion and then we try to medicalize it and nobody's saying oh when we do medicalize it by the way a lot of pharmaceutical companies get very rich off of it not only very rich but then the child is sterilized yes I mean this is for a lot of these kids they'll never be able to have children ever again if they change their mind if they one day decide oh I I was just going through a confusing time in my life but now I've ruined my voice with hormones my o ovaries are destroyed you know

I had my testicles removed like the whole thing is crazy so this is where I had the real Breaking Point with a friend that I mentioned earlier is she made this argum argument that puberty blockers are fully reversible that's crazy and IID actually never heard that I me this is a few years ago I'd never heard that argument before and so I actually went and looked at it and looked at the data on this the idea that if you give puberty delaying puberty blockers whatever you're going to call them to kids who are 11 12

13 that that's fully reversible that is completely and preposterously insane now even the most radical Advocates of trans Healthcare do not say that right because look you have sexual dysfunction you have to your point you know hair and weird places that won't go away you have voice changes that won't go away we are experimenting on tens of thousands of American children we're making them miserable it's not having any long-term health benefit it's making a lot of pharmaceutical companies rich and it's conservative Republicans are the only ones saying ah maybe this is a little crazy maybe

we should stop well it just shows you how a lot of this you know if you can call it a mind virus or whatever it is it it does make people behave religiously yes so it's like they're ignoring all of these signs because it doesn't line up with this ideology that they subscribed to that's right like you you have to support trans kids like okay what are you even saying how is this a new thing so pervasive how is it everywhere and how are you letting them compete with girls in school this is th that

one drives me bananas when you have biolog iCal males all they have to do is they don't even have requirements in some schools you don't have to be taking hormones you can just identify and you can compete as a girl and of course that causes injury to the young girls of course and again this gives me faith in the wisdom of the American people because if you see how radically the Democrats leaned into this stuff four years ago and how much you know KLA Harris is running away from it today most Americans they don't really

care who you sleep with they're pretty open-minded about most lifestyle choices but when you talk about having a biological male compete with their teenage girl in competitive Sports Americans are saying no no no no this is crazy you're causing injury to my kids we have to stop this not only that it like ruins chances of getting scholarships if you were the number one player and then all of a sudden some guy comes along who wears lipstick now he's the number one girl on the team like what are you talking about yeah yeah there was a

recent pool tournament in England it's a women's pool tournament and in the semifinals two guys are playing each other yeah well and it looks when you see them in the actual you know swimming pool competing it looks like the biological males are running at 1.5x speed and everybody else is running at normal speed right this is just clearly different and you to your point about it destroys opportunities for scholarships I mean go back to the original reason why we wanted girls Sports why we have Title 9 in the United States of America to begin with

like we recognized the competitive sports like what does it teach right it teaches you how to participate on a team it teaches you to recognize your own weaknesses and the strengths of your teammates and vice versa right like I I'm I'm the father of a 2-year-old daughter I want my daughter to learn these important life skills I don't want her going into athletic competitions where I'm terrified she's going to get bludgeon to death because we're allowing a 6'1 male to compete with her in sports where you should not have biological males competing with biological females

not only that but they get to change with them in the locker rooms that's where it gets like there was one in Canada where a 50-year-old man identified as a teenage girl he was a professor do you know about this guy I haven't heard about this he was he was changing he was in a swim meet with teenage girls yeah and he's changing in the same locker room as them and then it's crazy the problem with that is people there's there's a psychological condition called autog gyil and autog feel is where men are sexually aroused

by the idea of dressing and behaving like a woman but they're heterosexual now all of a sudden these people with this known psychiatric disorder are allowed to just identify as a woman and you're a bigot if you don't let them change in the women's and you're expected to empower them at the expense of young women who are very often much more vulnerable for obvious reasons than young men and it reminds me of so the very first Congressional Delegation trip that I ever took was to Paris I think it was to to Paris and it's part

of the Paris Air Show and Ohio has all these you know Aviation interests and anyway long story short I was talking to a very conservative woman at the Paris Air Show who was from Mississippi and she was probably 6570 and it was really interesting because I was just like you know how do how do you find the city she had never been to Paris before and I'm just you know interested in people so I was asking her and she said you know what's really interesting is I just feel like Paris I would think of as

very liberal but I actually think Paris is more conservative than some of the big cities in the United States and I said oh he tell me more about this and this woman doesn't know me very well and she's clearly kind of embarrassed to tell me but she walks through she says well I just don't see any people like when you're in Paris the girls are girls and the boys are boys and that's true in Paris and that's not necessarily true in some of our big cities and then and then she says she she says she

says Senator Vance I'm embarrassed to tell you this but when I was in New York City recently I saw a grown man who was walking around in a miniskirt and then she gets very quiet and she said Cinder fans I could see his balls he probably wanted you to see his balls and you realize oh my God this is not this is not empowerment this is not respecting lifestyle choices we're letting a grown man walk around in a miniskirt in broad daylight like what are you talk about I feel like you should be allowed to

wear a Min skirt if a girl can wear a mini skirt you can wear a mini skirt that's not what bothers me but what me I have to see your balls to flash people in broad daylight in New York City pervert that's what you're doing you're a pervert and I want I want all of us to say whatever your political persuasion just say no that's weird you're not allowed to walk down the street and Flash children in the middle of the world's or the America's biggest city and it reminds me you know Emanuel mccrone who's

the the leader of France made this observation about you know somebody asked him why hasn't all the transgender stuff made its way into France and Emanuel mcon says well in France we have two genders and that's plenty I kind of wish that was the attitude that we had in the United States of America well have you ever heard mark andreon break down um that the why woke is like a cult he does it he's a brilliant guy he's a very he's a very good friend yeah I I've heard this yeah it's brilliant and he talks

about how you can be excommunicated from the cult if you don't follow the doctrine you have to follow religiously to the letter that's where all this stuff like if you're allowing guys to just have their balls hanging out walking on the street because it's empowering yeah and because like you're being inclusive like well no you're empowering perverts yeah it's a cult and it's a religion but with one big difference and I think this is you know actually this this observation is probably one of the things that led me back to my own faith but I

I I sort of just a fundamental background belief I have about humanity is you know we are the hardware right we're biological organisms we're the hardware and the software is the ideas that we have in our head and certain software promotes human flourishing and certain software destroys human flourishing and I think that the the good kind of ideas tend to promote human flourishing what is what you know most world religions have but the woke stuff doesn't have is forgiveness and Redemption yes right it has the excommunication part but it doesn't have the forgiveness and Redemption

Part most people recognize that even if you violate some fundamental moral value I have if you apologize and try to be a good person we're going to be forgiving we want people to be able to live together there is this weird thing with the woke stuff where when and you see this and I feel bad when like comedians in particular do it I'm sure you've seen this but when anybody does this where they'll go and say well I'm really sorry they'll sort of prostrate themselves when they make an offensive joke or they do something they're

not supposed to do and they expect Redemption but no no no they don't get forgiveness what they get is you need to do even more of what you've already done it becomes this self-defeating self- flatulating cycle and I think that's the what's most destructive about this is you can't be friends with people if you think they're only you know they're only ever wrong they can only ever wrong you and and they if they apologize your respons is not to say oh okay I accept your apology if your response is to say no I want you

to apologize even more and even harder that destroys human civilization that's it's it's an interesting observation right because it really does behave like a religion but it's a religion without like a good Doctrine yes it's a religion that hasn't been thought out by wise people and where they haven't come up with these different like like the Ten Commandments or different Pathways to correct to forgiveness there's there's nothing so it's a this thing that behaves like a religion but it's not really well thought out and it's very loic and it also combines pharmaceutical drug companies and

all there's a lot of other weird that's attached to this religion yes that you kind of need like if if if if you're going to do this whole woke thing and like go guns of Blazing you're going to have to get drugs involved like you're going to have to they're going to have to do hormone blockers it's like it doesn't just happen on its own and that somehow or another is natural to them like this is how you be your your true self like your true self is you you add hormones that aren't supposed to

be in your body that's your true self like how do you know and and it's irreversible are we sure this is yeah and oh by the way instead of your true self being maybe I should be skeptical of some of the crap that I'm putting into my body I should lean into the idea that I should put more foreign things into the human body that that's what to me is so fascinating about it is the true self like you know I think all of us that's sort of part of the human Journey For Truth truth

we're all asking who is you know who are we what is our true self and maybe we should be asking oursel this is sort of more of a Bobby Kennedy point but why are we putting all this weird crap into our food into our water maybe we should be a little bit more skeptical like my body as a temple rather than I'm going to welcome even more pharmaceutical intervention into the human body it's very interesting how some religions view the body as a temple and some religions almost invite the pollution I think the woke say

is inviting the pollution well they're also inviting see what one of the weirdest things is if you are on the wrong side of their ideology like if you're aligned with Trump like RFK Jr is now all a sudden I've seen like people on the left that are trying to dismiss a lot of the things that he says about additives and food about atrazine fluoride in the wall all these different things because now they're connecting not having toxins in your food with a right-wing idea it's crazy it's mindblowing it's so bananas like even being healthy Fitness

Fitness they're connecting Fitness with a right-wing idea like yeah well and it it raises one of my sort of core political beliefs is that our politics is focused on fake and distractions to distract us from the real stuff right and so if I'm looking at the environmental movement in the United States of America and I don't even have like strong views on the you know what the carbon footprint ultimately does I'm sort of skeptical of the experts here but I'm also skeptical of you know the other side I I just don't really know what I

think about this I think it's insane to try to eliminate fossil fuels that's kind of a belief that I have but it's interesting that the environmental movement in America the only thing that it talks about is the carbon footprint and it never talks about like oh why do we have the highest rates of obesity in the world right now right why why is it that American Kids spend less time outdoors in nature than they ever have in the history of our 250 years civilization there's this weird way in which we get distracted by the fake

stuff instead of focusing on the real stuff and I think there is a really very important environmental conversation to be had it was interesting when one of the first things that happened when I was a Senator is you had this terrible train derailment in East Palestine Ohio got a lot of headlines and it was a mistake at the time that wasn't obvious they basically set off a few of the chemical cars which I mean if you see the images it looks like a nuclear bomb went off in East Palestine Ohio but it's putting Vinyl chloride

and all these other pollutants into the water into the air into the soil and it was amazing the environmental movement almost could not have cared less about a chemical explosion in rural Ohio that is potentially poisoning thousands of people but they were really really concerned about the carbon footprint of those same people I I I I I'm I'm sick of the distraction I think we should focus on the real stuff and unfortunately it's true of the environmental policy but it's true of a lot of other stuff we just don't talk about the real thing the

carbon footprint think is very concerning to me because I'm I'm seeing this concept that being pushed out of having an app that monitors your carbon footprint and limiting the amount of travel you can do and limiting the amount thing I know where that's going to go yeah just control it's just controlling contr and if you can do that then you can get away with a lot of things you can get a lot away with a lot of policy you get away with a lot of decisions that are made that people wouldn't agree with because you're

going to limit so many things about their life they're going to become accustomed to being governed in that way it just it's disturbing to me that there's also profit that's being made off the green movement there's a lot of people like Bill Gates who have like making a lot of money off of these environmentally conscious things $50 million Comm Harris by the way although is fake food that fake meat which is not good for anybody me out man you read about fake meat folks read about how they're making this and I'm not talking about 3D

printed meat which is a very different thing which seems to be at least more consumable but like the plant-based meat stuff that's garbage that stuff is garbage so highly processed garbage if you want to eat vegetables and beat vegetarian eat Indian food okay like they make really delicious Indian am they make very good they make the best vegetarian food but it tastes good and it's actually vegetables it's not this crazy fake cheeseburger thing that you have like no that's right stop eating that when we when I first started dating my wife I just had no

idea like what vegetarians ate right I'm like a meat and potatoes um guy from Ohio and I wanted to make her dinner and I wanted to really impress her cuz I was like madly in love with her and did you cook beef no the meal that I the meal that I made her I'm not proud of this but I'll tell you was you know Crescent are those like Pillsbury yeast rolls so I rolled out a flat thing of crescent rolls I put raw broccoli on top of it I sprinkled ranch dressing and I stuck it

in the oven for 45 minutes and it was disgusting and that was my vegetarian pizza that I made wow did you follow a recipe no you just like decided it's like it's like cream I know she she ate you know Dairy it's it's it's broccoli and it's bread right that's what vegetarians eat so yeah I I think that to your point vegetarian food can actually be quite good yes I don't you know I still I still like I'm kind of one of these people where if I don't have a piece of meat it's not a

complete meal but if you're going to eat vegetarian eat paneer and rice and delicious chickpeas do not eat this disgusting fake meat I'm just very skeptical when someone is promoting things for either Global health or for the environment and then I find out that they have a ton of money invested in companies that could fit those needs it's it's a real problem this philanth capitalism it's very weird man we got to look at the we have to look at the financial incentives of this I mean so one of the big things that me and president

Trump confront all the time is the accusation that we're somehow like in bed with Russia which is like the the dumbest thing in the world to me like I don't really care about Russia I just don't think we should have a nuclear war like RIT large I'm very anti-nuclear War sounds reasonable thank you appreciate that and one of the things they never interrogate is who is the biggest funer of the green energy movement in Europe it's the Russians and why are the Russians funding it's not because they care about climate change it's because they want

the Germans and everybody else to buy Russian natural gas and they realize that if the Germans and French close down all their coal and nuclear factories Russia is going to have them buy the balls how do they get the Germans to close oh it's m did mine did okay okay see what's up one of holy the Russians the Russians are monitoring this [Laughter] conversation don't know what happen check check yeah oh I hear me now yeah I hear me yeah okay got it yeah what what no I'm out no it's gone again Jamie huh we'll

be right back oh I'm back yeah but I don't even know if I'm going to stay back how I know if it keeps working well I'm listening but I don't know what what happened okay should we shift or should we just let's try this and then we can keep going just let me know if it goes again and I'll put my headphones on if it goes again had a slight technical problem ladies and gentlemen so where were we talking about Jam button it must be I don't know where it is but your foot's not touching

it no am I touching something no no no no okay it's back it's back Jamie Jamie you got to replace this I keep saying that but now you really do we good I hear it yeah yeah okay I'm not going to move I'm not touching anything all right we're back what were we just talking about well we were talking about how you asked why why do the Germans shut down their nuclear facilities and I know you know it's they're shutting down coal they're shutting down any of their base power and leaning really into solar and

wind but again the the green energy movement in Europe is heavily funded by the Russians because the Russians want to have because they produce so much natural gas they want to have Europe buy the balls so again how do they convince them to shut down their nuclear power plants well in the same way that Bill Gates is convincing us to eat fake meat is they fund all this stuff and they make it about the environment well that's true but he's trying to the problem is you look at him and you go hey how are you

a health expert this is look at you the funniest thing ever was when Elon put showed a photo of Bill Gates next to a photo of a pregnant man emoji and he said if you want to lose a boner real quick and that's a wild boy you imagine Elon is funny as man he's actually he's funny as getting dumped on by that guy's got to suck cuz you can't even say he's a dumb ass right that's right you can say many things you can't say he's a dumbass you get Dunked On by one of the

smartest guys alive but the point is like Bill doesn't look good he looks terrible he's aging way harder than Trump like it doesn't whatever you're doing don't eat like that anymore like go to an actual doctor like I don't know what you're doing who's telling you eat your fake meat this is you look like so you can't give advice this is crazy you can't give advice about health you're not a healthy person that's right you know well I did so there's this thing called the munic SEC Conference in uh in Germany obviously it's in Munich

it's kind of like Davos but for National Security and I went there and it was like a big deal for me because I went in there as the one skeptic in the entire this like massive Euro complex KLA Harris is there I went as the person skeptical of continued escalation in Ukraine because I think that what we're doing in Ukraine is insane and that we should have a policy effectively of promoting peace in the region and we we walk in and one of the people that I'm on this panel with is the leader of the

German green party and you know she's she's like 30 years old and she really really cares about Russia Ukraine she's like the youngest person in the German government and you realize you are like the exact like you guys are literally Russian influence like you're accusing me of wanting to do Russia's bidding you're encouraging your own country from the perch of government to shut down all Basel load power and you're not even self-aware about how much of your own propaganda is funded by the country that's benefiting from this the the lack of ability to interrogate I

mean Bill Gates you know like maybe he's a good guy I'm highly skeptical I don't know him very well but he's getting rich off of all of this stuff that he's supporting in the name of health or in the name of climate our inability to just ask ourselves who's getting rich from this stuff maybe we should be skeptical of the people getting rich from this stuff is one of our big failures as a political soci it's a sheep costume you put on a sheep costume and you make a lot of money with global Health you

know and who doesn't want Global Health what a nice guy yeah oh he's like very philanthropic he's he's spending all this money trying to help poor people right and then you find out like wait a minute how much money did you make doing that yeah exactly you made a $500 million doing that that's crazy it's it's a very sneaky move but he's he's a smart guy he's in a lot of very sneaky moves like the donating all the money to the media companies which is why they never criticize him right he's donated like 350 million

dollars to all these different companies that's right or you know this is I think one of the reasons why we don't have more people asking questions about big Pharma of is the entire National media think about how many pharmaceutical advertisements you watch when you watch a football game yeah let's get into this because this is an interesting one so one of the things that happened that separated us from the rest of the world other than New Zealand is in the 1990s they allowed pharmaceutical drug companies to advertise that's right what do you is that something

that has to stay that way is that something that could be changed in with policy or is the financial incentives of that too big to move oh you could change it with policy I don't know that you do you think that you would have enough support to do something like that it's interesting question I I so I've been critical of pharmaceutical advertising for a long time uh my assumption is that there are not enough people who would like to do it to actually get it done but you know I've never actually talked to my colleagues

about it so may maybe it's possible I bet if you ask the American people you know I bet that's one of those things if you put it to a national vote instead of Representatives the problem with Representatives is special interest groups special interest groups lobbyists and the amount of money yeah the the whole conduit of money into politics is fundamentally broken I think we have to fix that but I mean here okay here's the thing and I say this as a Critic of pharmaceutical advertising whenever I see a Pharma ad and I pretty much only

see them when I'm watching football I'm always sh shocked that they actually influence anybody right because it's like oh take this drug for rheumatoid arthritis and you can have all these positive experiences and it's like oh the side effects are uh you know erectile dysfunction rashes on your face suicid suicidal ideation tumors in your brain and you'll hate yourself and be depressed so you'll need this other drug and I always wonder like you get so many of these weird side effects in the advertisements how how do they actually work so I actually think that the

real corruption is not really that they like persuade Americans I mean if you're going to take a drug you're probably going to take a drug based on conversations with your doctor more than a Pharm advertisement but they do corrupt the media ecosystem because if you're getting all that money from the Pharma companies then you're not going to launch investigations into some of the things you should be launching investigations into 100% and that's why it's dangerous because it's not like these are completely innocent companies and have never done anything wrong so if you all of a

sudden have them removed from your list of people that you're investigating just because they advertised they've essentially bribed you that's right they've bribed you and you're supposed to be the people that distribute the actual news to the American people and you're compromised so okay so let me tell you this this story and this is okay this is purely secondary so if you know somebody tries to fact check it I heard this from a friend but I heard it from a friend I I trusted so he was a guy I knew and he worked at the

largest industry lobbying Organization for the pharmaceutical companies and I was in DC this is a long time ago and I just kind of ran into them and you know I care a lot about the opioid problem uh my mom struggled with opioids for a very long time she's been clean and sober for a while but I'm very proud of you I love you mom I know you're watching this but Jan into this guy in the street in DC and he's he had just quit his job for this pharmaceutical lobbying organization or he was talking about

quitting and I was like why he's like man we just did something that's very dark and basically what they had figured out is because American Indian tribes Americans have Tribal sovereignty and so they figured out I guess that if they gave some Native American tribe some fraction of a fraction of a penny of the royalties from the cell of opioids that they could actually insulate themselves from litigation around the prescription opioid epidemic and I guess this guy was just like thought it was so dirty that he was like I can't I can't work for this

organization anymore and I was like holy that is some pretty dark stuff so you guys are giving some Native American tribe like pennies so that you can insulate yourself from pharmaceutical litigation I I'd be very curious I should follow up on this to see if that actually happened but again just to be clear if the media tries to fact check me this is what I heard from friend Jamie fact check right now Jamie I'm very curious if this actually happened look it look into it because but I I think it did happen because I saw

the look on this guy's face and he was like man this is some pretty dark stuff that's crazy yeah but that's how corporations behave you know we were just the trigonometry guys were on here yesterday and we were talking about it that corporations behave like Psychopaths like that's there's a book about it it's like they they describe how this endless Pursuit cut off again it really you know what it is Jamie whenever I move the mic tell me when it's back you just hit it and it made a noise it must be the cable sorry

oh this is it dude that got it oh you got it this was Lo try it now tell me now I mean I heard that click I bet that's what it was is that it we're good okay what was that thing you want me to check real quick sorry um pharmaceutical companies using um giving royalty streams to Native American tribes to insulate themselves from lawsuits anyway yeah it's very scary stuff well yeah it's and it's this is like one of the things that I think is genuinely different about and I don't want to get too

too partisan political here but about Donald Trump's Republican party is is I mean obviously like there are corporations that were're more Pro certain businesses and we tend to be more anti certain businesses like for example big Tech I hate big Tech we can get into that later but fundamentally I think president Trump has changed the mindset of the Republican party to where it was like instinctively always Pro corporate we're now sometimes willing to ask well is this corporation's interest and the American interest like there was this famous quote I believe from the leadership of GM

back in the 1950s that General Motors interest is America's interest and I'm probably butchering the quote but sort of paraphrased can anybody really in 2024 say that Google's interest is America's interest or apple which employs thousands of slaves and Chin Jen is Apple's interest is America's interest like I I just don't that's ridiculous and the fact that we're at least somewhat skeptical of corporate power in the Republican party I think is a very good trend for us it is kind of weird that one one of the wokest companies if you thought about like woke companies

and like super Progressive and like on the right side of everything Apple Apple's like one of the best ones and they have phones that are made by slaves yeah like the the the people definitionally yeah the people are they put Nets around the building CU so many of them were jumping to their deaths yes instead of fixing the work conditions they just go put up some Nets yeah put up put up some Nets so that people the crazy thing is you still like all these like Progressive people are using these devices to talk about like

important social issues oh yeah well and talking about distractions right the the distraction like distraction politics versus real politics if Apple says #blm and gives a few million dollars to a trans rights organization then the entire political left ignores that they're profiting off of slave labor it's bizarre now why can't Apple here it is strange beds Native American tribes Biga legitimacy of their Alliance wow so it's true 2019 my God this is about exact you said it's 2019 I was going to say I think I saw that guy in like 2018 it's so gross it's

so gross crazy man it's so sick but it's what we're talking about if you allow these corporations look they have an obligation to their shareholders they have to make more money what's the best way to make more money not get sued what's the best way to not get sued for sir I found a loophole he get some ader rid psychopath been working 16 hours like I got a plan against out of here and it works it's legal who I'm sorry like look I get the imper imperative to make money but the guy who thought that

up is a grade a sociopath I mean that person is I don't want them anywhere near my kids you got to put guard rails up like you have to have laws that's why you can't have insider trading right like you have have guard rails up don't people go ham and this is why look corporations want to go make money they should make money fine but my job is public and social policy and what really pisses me off and frankly what should piss off more Republicans because you historically the Republican party has been the mo more

Pro corporate party we should be saying to the more that these corporations are engaged in social policy in particular left-wing social policy the more that we should be saying ah I don't know that I want to give you everything that you want which is of course what the historical party did but I think is much different in the last few years I'm just scared that the tentacles of the pharmaceutical industry are so deeply entrenched in politics and in media that you can't just shake them off you can't just say hey you can't advertise on TV

anymore or hey you no long longer have exemption from responsibility from the side effects of certain drugs because the the that that whole thing they pulled off with exemption of pharmaceutical companies being responsible for injuries was crazy crazy because you just empow these people that have lied forever yeah it does still exist and it still exists and that is totally insane and I I mean you know I so I I I took I took the vax and you know I haven't been boosted or anything but the the moment where I really started to get redpilled

on the whole vaa thing was the sickest that I have been in the last 15 years by far was when I took the VAC and I you know I've had Co at this point five times I was in bed for 2 days my heart was racing I was like the fact that we're not even allowed to talk about that even you know I no no like serious injury but but even the fact that we're not even allowed to talk about the fact that I was as sick as I've ever been for two days and the

worst covid experience I had was like a sinus infection I'm not really willing to trade that and you don't even you know everybody that I know a lot of people I know they talk about the second shot that they got of the vaccine was really made them really really sick well that's a side effect and not a side effect that we even talk about enough in this country no it's and it's also again we're talking about companies that have a long history of lying and being forced to pay criminal fines and then we're giving them

this exemption from being responsible for any of the side effects yeah and who do you think those big Pharma companies donate to politically in 2024 a big fat guess probably K Harris by a significant margin well particularly with RFK Jr being attached to Trump sure RFK Jr comes a lot of you know like there's a lot there's a lot that you're going to have to handle there but that's the question is like is are they so entrenched that it's impossible to turn these things that disturb us the fact that they have exemption from any responsibility

because of the vaccine the fact that they have the ability to advertise on television can those things be removed is that a possible thing I think it's a possible thing but because I haven't actually done the work to figure out how many of my colleagues would sign on to this I can't say whether it's like a certain thing or a likely thing or just something that we should be working on when I I mean here here interesting thought experiment if there was one thing that we could do to rein in the pharmaceutical companies like what

would it be would it be liability on the VAC stuff would it be advertising in my intuition is actually it might be the advertising on the healthcare stuff because that's the way in which they engulf the media into this whole scam that would be great but the the vaccine thing is important too because I will look into it that's that's what I'll that's what I'll say here because I would need to talk to people to see if this is even possible it's a weird one where you're not even allowed to question it you're not allowed

to discuss it and that becomes very religious just like all these other things that we talked where you have this this thing that everybody speaks about in hush tones people know people that have been vaccin injured and particularly people on the left they're very reluctant to discuss it even publicly yeah I know people who are public people who have had serious vaccine side effects who do not want anyone to talk about it absolutely they're scared of being labeled an antivaxer I have a c colleague who doesn't want to talk about it but worries that it's

like permanently affected his sort of sense of balance and dizziness in Vertigo and yeah it it happens I've talked to a number of people who think that they got vaccine injured some of them are public about it and some of them are not but here's the thing like I'm not even you're probably more anti- Pharma than I am like there are certain things I'm pretty proa too I think they make great drugs that help people all sorts of conditions and diabetes medication insulin I mean like the Sickle Cell stuff that's coming out now we maybe

have cured CLE cell disease in Black Americans because of a gene therapy the first I read about it a couple weeks ago actually that the first experimental therapy and it was hard for the kid who took it but you had like an 11 or 12-year-old black American just walk out of the hospital and he's probably cured of sickle cell disease right that stuff is amazing but I actually think that in some ways what we should be encouraging these companies to do is that right we want them to develop the life-saving drugs we don't want them

to get rich by shielding themselves from liability or or working with Native American tribes so that they don't get sued and I actually think there maybe even is a Harmony between those viewpoints because if they had to get rich by developing life-saving Therapeutics and that's the only way they could get rich then they'd probably do more of that right 100% but again that that's where public policy comes in and that's where like my job is to make sure that when the pharmaceutical companies get rich they get rich by curing diseases not by doing like weird

psychotic things with Native American tribes and you can't have this argument that we need exemption from responsibility because otherwise we're not going to be able to profit off of these things like absolutely well that means you're making stuff that too many people are getting sick from so they're suing you that's socialized costs right it's one of the biggest problems with corporate America is socialized costs but privatized profits profits and what you really want is that you want major American companies and I'm like I'm a Believer in the market economy you want them to absorb the

benefits but also the costs and that's often what doesn't happen like for example so I talked about this train disaster in East Palestine and you know the railroad companies hate me because I kind of went on a crusade against them afterwards and what I realized is think of all the costs of that disaster think of the health care costs the welfare costs from people who lost their jobs the declining home values in that Community just all of the costs absorbed by that community and the railroads are paying slap on the hand fines and it sort

of occurred to me that the reason they're not more serious about these train disasters is because they're privatizing their rewards but when a a major train disaster happens who who picks up the tab it's the local residents and it's the American taxpayer and that's something that fundamentally has to change yeah that has to change and when you're talking about the cost from a place like East Palestine how much can they clean that up like how long does that stay toxic cuz it was millions of gallons right wasn't it some what was the number of gallons

gallons but it was a lot and I hate to say the answer your question how much how much can they clean up the answer is I don't know and I actually this is one of my biggest frustrations probably my single biggest frustration uh over my time in the Senate is when this happened a bunch of the residents came to me it's actually very sweet and even kind of patriotic but certainly self-sacrificing where they said look no one knows what the effect of this is going to be 15 years down the road right cuz cuz we

like we weren't worried about okay a guy drinks the water in East Palestine and drops dead the water levels did not have toxins at that level but the question was what happens when you're em bibbing the stuff breathing it in drinking it at low at Trace levels for 10 15 years like do you have weird diseases down the road hopefully not right I pray every day that hopefully not but you can only study that in the moment and so we actually working with a a public health epidemiologist in North Carolina and some in Ohio we

actually came up with a plan like here's what you would need to do you'd collect samples in the first 6 months to a year after the disaster and I'm I'm I'm talking about like fingernail clippings things like that you'd establish a baseline of toxins in people's blood and then 5 years later 10 years later you try to figure out what the toxins were in people's blood 5 years 10 years down the road and then you'd ask yourself what weird diseases if any are people starting to develop at after 5 10 15 years right the long-term

health effects of this stuff and it was in some ways a really interesting thing to study because we had never had a chemical disaster where we tried to study the effects of years down the road and of course how much would this cost between 5 and 20 million doll over the whole lifetime of the study we couldn't get Biden Harris we couldn't even get some of my colleagues in the United States Senate to give a and it's really frustrating to me because the time is now passed right all these people who were saying we are

volunteering to be a guinea pig to understand the long-term Health consequences the time has passed and we're never going to know because we didn't get the money to do the very small amount of money to do that study then so you asked that question the answer is I don't know I tried like hell to find out do you think that there's someone influencing them to not fund these studies because they don't want responsibility for this bills yeah I thought a lot about that I think in this particular case it was just bureaucratic and too many

people being distracted there's a lot of that there's a lot of that right and and and look sometimes to be clear there is outright malevolence there's lobbyists who are in their ear I think with this case it was just you know a bunch of people in rural Ohio that nobody except for you know a few of us I care about them obviously but no person in the in the Harris Administration cared about and so when we went to the White House and just said you could move money like even just give us a couple million

dollars to collect the samples and get the study started and then we'll privately fund it down the road we couldn't get anything from them and I think it was just they were like ah we got bigger fish to fry do so do you know what efforts have been made to clean that area up or what actually look we we we've definitely does it show what it is 25,800 gallons of TX 25,800 what's that that's the car that's the car ID Gall was on it the capacity and the context is 100,000 gallons of that yeah oh

each car has oh each car had different stuff yeah each car had different stuff so What's the total of all of it somewhere like that's 100,000 that's another like 3 Millions 350,000 gallons or so are millions of liters um but look I mean and all that stuff just leaks into the groundwater it goes into a lot people it's a rural are a lot of people are on well water um you know a lot of people are just you know breathing in the air I mean and we don't even know what the health consequences are for

those folks for years we we won't know and we we may never really know because we didn't collect the samples at the time because you got to establish the Baseline that was what my epidemiologist guy that I talked to in in um North Carolina said you've got to establish the Baseline because here's what's going to happen right fast forward 10 years people get weird cancers sometimes because of chemical spills come sometimes just because that's human biology somebody will sue the train company which is um uh nor Norfolk I think norfol southern will sue sue the

train company and they'll say I've got this weird because of you and what norfol southern will say is no you don't you don't have this weird cancer because of me you have it because of just you know you you sort of lost the game of Russian Roulette that is human biology and what we could have said conclusively was yes or no and unfortunately we're not going to be able to say that this is one of the things like when we're in office the first not the first but the first disaster that we have hopefully there

aren't any but there always are First Chemical disaster that we are we're going to take the infrastructure of that study and right away we're going to try to establish a baseline is it possible to I mean is when you when you have a spill of that magnitude can you actually get everything out of the ground do you have to just remove all the ground like how would you you have to test the groundw to make sure that it doesn't to to their credit and you're not going to hear me P pray praising uh the these

guys that much but the the local EPA folks I actually think did a pretty good job there on the water side because they basically did is they just ran the water in the Creeks through you know a filtration system cleaned it oxidized it and then got the chemicals out of it and then put it back into the system now the problem is the stuff that's just in the ground you can't really get that out right right you have to remove the ground you'd have to remove the ground and clean I don't even know how you

would clean it I don't know if we have the capacity to clean it uh what what you what you can do is try to you know as we did we passed out bottle water and tried to make sure that people weren't drinking the water and until the levels of toxins hit a certain level and again but but the issue was never like the levels of toxins are going to kill you the issue is always are they going to cause long-term problems that is that that we got so focused I think the media got so focused

on is the water safe to drink and it's like the question is not is the water safe to drink the question is is the water safe to drink for the next 15 years right and we're never going to know the answer to that question yeah people are terrified of this idea of um someone sabotaging um things like that that have trains to contain toxic chemicals people are terrified about the um sabotaging of the Grid in particular that's that's one that a lot of people have talked about that we we're very vulnerable like what what can

be done to sort of Shore that up it seems like cyber attacks are possible physical attacks are possible yeah and if the grid goes down we're we have a real problem right uh we do have a real problem look my you know there's New York Times or somebody else reported recently that my phone was allegedly hacked by Chinese hackers and so oh no what they get yeah uh I don't think anything um nothing come on man I got anything in there we'll find we'll find we'll find out man we'll find out um got any memes

you probably should should have share with your friends some some some offensive memes and you know me me telling my wife uh to get an extra gallon of milk at the grocery store I mean I you know luckily I'm a pretty boring guy so I don't think that they got really anything we'll find out it's boring if your phone gets hacked that's right that's right well it also I mean it's apparently they couldn't get the encrypted messages that were in sent so I'm pretty careful about like making sure I use signal and iMessage and all

that stuff anyway so I mean look maybe they got some stuff we'll find out eventually I try not to worry too much about I can't control but um one thing that came up by the way in that and I'll get back to your your question is about the grid one thing that came up in that is the way that they hacked and it was also president Trump Trump's phone apparently too the way that they hacked our phones is they used the backdoor Telecom infrastructure that had been developed in the wake of the Patriot Act and

this is something that I think should be a much bigger part of the controversy over the Patriot Act is when when the Patriot Act was passed like AT&T Verizon they had to build all of these systems so that if somebody got a fisa warrant and could hack into a particular phone the infrastructure actually existed what I've been told is that that infrastructure was used by this Chinese hacker organization called salt typhoon and that's how they got into to the Verizon network and that's how they got into the AT&T network what a great name by the

way salt typhoon it's a pretty badass name right if they have anything on me I can't be too pissed off atam at least they they named themselves salt typhoon but the the answer the question about the grid is this is actually it's one of these things where if we had a functional government it's pretty easy to to develop the systems because if you do like an EMP attack right I Ron Johnson who's a senator from Wisconsin is really preoccupied with this you know it doesn't take down the whole grid what it really screws with is

the power transformer system so what we should have is basically a backup power transformer for every major system in the United States of America just sitting in a w Warehouse that's turned off and because it's turned off it won't be affected by an EMP pulse and then if there is an EMP attack you just get those Transformers to swap out the ones that were destroyed and then the grid is back up and running if it's actually a scandal I think that the federal government has not just at one point with all the money that we

spend on defense and everything else just said we're going to spend $15 billion to buy enough power Transformers to have a backup for every Transformer in the country we should do that yeah one of the things that Trump talked about that a lot of people probably weren't aware of was the damage that these wind turbines are doing to whales I wasn't totally aware of it I I had no idea until I watched your podcast with him I knew a little bit about it but I I didn't read about it until after I talked to him

it's a real problem it's a very real problem and what a conundrum for people that are so-called environmentalists that think that wind is like this the cleanest option when it's not the turbines don't last you can't recycle them it doesn't work in salt water in particular which is what most of the world's water is I think wind is the biggest scam out there it's total it's also pollution when I see those gigantic wind they're ugly they're gross they're ugly I mean I I thought this uh where where were me and my wife we used to

be in road trips before we had a secret service detail and we took a road trip the good old days man we took a road trip through Kansas or Nebraska maybe it was Iowa um it was it was one of the I mean we went through all three of those States but I can't remember where you just go for miles and miles and you see nothing but wind turbin and it's like this is beautiful American Countryside that used to be green Rolling Hills and now you have these disgusting dystopian wi turbines I'm sorry they are

ugly I will die on this hill they're ugly I don't want them in American society and nuclear power plants are actually more efficient safer and you don't have the problem like we think about the problems of nuclear waste like they've kind of sorted a lot of those out they haven't sorted out the problems of getting rid of these turbines no they haven't not at all I I have a buddy of mine who lives in South Texas and I went to visit him and you you drive down there and it's like an hour of turbines they're

everywhere there's so many of you just see them as like the sky is turning dark you see these things just spinning it just looks gross they kill the birds they apparently kill the wh kill a lot of birds if you look underneath them it's like bird graveyards it's crazy yeah it really is and it's clean it's green it's like we're we're brainwashed to think that these things somehow or another are beneficial cuz they're attached to this idea of being environmentally conscious and I got I I I got the thought behind them right I understand why

we were trying to turn that's obviously a source of energy cuz you have wind blowing through that's energy that we should capture but we're just not that good at it with this right maybe efficient right just accept that it was a mistake it's not that efficient the political or the environmental costs are pretty significant you know solar I I think is actually a little bit more reasonable because you can get a lot more of the power they last a little bit longer they're not nearly as ugly and you can put them in places where people

don't frankly want to live that much anyway like like in deserts and things like that well they do those roofs now like Tesla does solar roof the solar roof I think that's a great way right that's just empty space but wind I think we just should say this was a failed experiment we're going to stop subsidizing this and if people want to have a wind turbine great but we're not going to build miles and miles of wind turbines anymore at least not with taxpayer subsidy but I I just hope people recognize that the tradeoff is

not worth it like you're getting a little bit of electricity you're really ruining the landscape you're ruining the view you're killing birds you're messing up whales and those things don't last that long and then you got to get rid of them you got to put them in a landfill like the whole thing's bananas it's totally bananas and again it's we focus on the carbon footprint thing and we don't talk about the fact that there are these massive environmental hazards that goes back to the distracted politics versus the real stuff and we should be talking about

the real environmental consequences of also no it's one of those things that again is much like a religion where you you must stay with the doctrine you must you must follow it by the word because if you step out of line and say actually when you look at these studies it doesn't really show that the world is warming it shows that over the last x amount of thousands of years we're in a gradual cooling period and that what's really terrifying is global cooling yes you know Randall Carlson who's an expert in uh asteroid collisions and

the younger D impact Theory fascinating guy but he says that like the periods the periods in in history where we came very close to extinction are like when there's an Ice Age yes like those are the most terrifying that's right when there's global warming you just move to where it's not so warm and that's what people have done forever well and you and you deal with it technologically right this is the thing that the solution to global warming for however long this warming Trends Trend lasts is to deal with it technologically right if you look

at the number of people who die from disasters in the United States it's going down because we've gotten better at predicting stuff and helping people deal with things and of course you still have terrible things like hurricane Helen but they are luckily part of a downward Trend and people losing their lives from terrible storms and you know if if you really think like if you really think that carbon this is another reason why I'm somewhat skeptical of like the carbon obsessives is if you think that carbon is the most significant thing the the sole focus

of American civilization should be to reduce the carbon foot of the world then you would be investing in nuclear in a big way and then when you say that the environmentalists say well you've got all these poison rocks to deal with afterwards well the poison rocks problem is a less significant problem than the carbon problem if you think that we're all going to go extinct in 100 years so let's deal with the most pressing problem they're all like no no no no and their solution is to buy solar panels that are disproportionately made in China

which has the worst carbon footprint and growing of any country in the entire world they obviously don't believe their own which is why I'm somewhat skeptical of what they say also when you have a movement and your spokesperson is Greta thurnberg and not some insanely intelligent scientist who''s done years of research on this stuff and there's also not a consensus among scientists there's a lot of scientists that are Heretics that are stepping outside the lines that are saying that this is not an issue and then they're also pointing out the fact that carbon is what

trees consume and there's more Greenery in the world today than there was 100 years ago which is a very inconvenient thing for people see I didn't realize that yeah I had no idea that's true well carbon is what trees feed off so I knew carbon is what trees feed off of I didn't know there was more Greenery than there was 100 years ago that's that's interesting not only that you got Bill Gates that's saying planting trees is not a solution to the carbon problem like wait a second this is this is so not true it's

so not true and it's also historically like one of the the the craziest in history in my opinion is the Mongols and what the Mongols did in the 1200s they lowered the carbon footprint of Earth because they killed so many people they killed 10% of the population of Earth that that is crazy and because of that because they they devastated these places and killed so many people trees grew more trees grew and it lowered the carbon foot these places that had been overcome by agriculture were then Rec consumed by nature and it lowered the carbon

footprint of Earth well there is a fundamentally it raises the point there's a fundamentally anti-human element of the radical environmental movement in the United States of America they're saying we have to reduce population this is one and when they say it with vaccines you're like slow down that's right did you just say that all loud yes and then when you if you read Robert F Kennedy's Jr and I encourage everyone to read Robert F Kennedy Junior's book the real Anthony fouchy because it's not just about this crisis that we went through with covid-19 it's about

a a host of different things that were done and one of them was a vaccine That was supposed to be a DPT vaccine that they were giving to girls in Africa that was just birth control it was just sterilizing them wow and that they were I didn't realize they were giving them HCG and that they were giving them this uh enhanced schedule I don't want to screw this up because my recall is not the best I don't want to but the reality is there was experiments done on unwitting unknowing African women where they gave them

this thing that was supposed to be a vaccine against a disease but it was really sterilizing them and they're experimenting dark again that's that's like the Native American oxycon thing Global Health like there's a lot of experimenting going on that's right that's what's they we we pulled up an AP article I had Alex Jones telling me this I was like what it's like they gave him polio they TR the vaccine they gave him polio like what so AP article that shows that a lot of they had to stop giving these kids in Africa this polio

vaccine because it was actually giving them polio that's crazy like because they experiment because this is how they find out if stuff works so you get people with no internet connection they live in dirt floors we're going to help you and then they come in they experiment on them and it's so dark that is so dark and it's all done through this idea of philanthropy yeah yeah and it's crazy and they profit off of it the whole thing is Madness and because they have so much influence and so much power and so much money is

being generated they're allowed to get away with these things just think about like that from the perspective of these poor people I I assume the polio vaccine thing happened in Africa or it happened somewhere else so okay so you're in Africa some white dude shows up says that he cares about you gives you a shot that's going to you know prevent you from getting some disease and then you become like permanently disabled or you even die because of it like think about what effect that has on how those Africans perceive our civilization and are we

going to have you know are they going to like we're going to have a conflict in 3040 years because people are so pissed off about us coming in and and giving them health care that isn't actually health care I really worry about that stuff I mean this is one of my big things with the Russia Ukraine conflict is people don't realize how much of Africa's food supply comes from the Ukraine like a an astonishing amount so if you have this war that goes on forever and there's not enough food going to Africa are are you

going to have a bunch of starving desperate people who are like pissed off because they're starving who hate European civilization because they don't have you know they're not getting the food that they were expecting to get like we never think about the KnockOn effects of this stuff right you're like yeah it's really dark and really evil that we're giving them Polio I also wonder the people who live in the village that got polio what the hell are they going to be doing in 30 years they're probably going to hate us yeah I would be really

upset if you gave my kid polio over here justifiably so justifiably so I'd hate these people right you give my kid polio under the pretense of helping them it's crazy but you know then there's also pharmaceutical drugs that are really beneficial and this is the thing like they have to have guard rails yeah you have to have some ril and regulations to keep these people from just NeverEnding profits cuz they always gravitate towards that they always gravitate towards making the most amount of money and again this is where I go back to some of the

arguments of the old left like what kind of guard rails do you want these companies to have do you want the guard rails to be that if donate to the trans pride and BLM organizations you get to do whatever the hell you want or do you want the guard rails like we're going to protect health and Public Safety and make sure that you're not like killing people under the ospice of helping them yeah and that that's the kind of guard rails I want the com logical yeah very logical but logic is you know dangerous today

like logic oh man logic is uh it's it's a problem when you have ideology and people strictly logic is a colonial idea man you got to get away from the logic that's math is racist I don't that that's a new one well okay so this is interesting there's this movie that's probably like extremely influential to my entire political worldview and I didn't realize until last night cuz I got into Austin late usually my wife travels with me she wasn't with me last night she's taking care of the kids today so I get I get in

the hotel room in Austin and it's very late and I watch this movie boys in the hood have you ever seen boys in the hood oh yeah sure okay I watched that movie a ton when I was like 8 n years old and I didn't realize how much that movie has had an influence on me until I watched it last night okay so all right Furious Styles a lot of his stuff about not letting financial institutions buy up all the stuff in your community obviously he's talking about black people in LA and not you know

white people in you know rural small town America but I was like oh like that's that's maybe the first place that I ever heard this idea or he talks about like the importance of Father Hood the importance of especially young boys having a father in the home it's like I got that from boys in the hood and obviously it spoke to me when I was a kid because I grew up at the time and I didn't have my much of a relationship with my dad and it's it's interesting man he makes this observation math being

racist he's criticizing the SAT for being culturally biased but then he says the only part that isn't culturally biased is the math and it's like oh this is like a black nationalist in the mid 80s cuz that's that's kind of the philosophy of this movie as what you might call like old school black leftism this movie in the 1980s is saying something that I I wish a lot of white liberals would hear today which is actually math is not racist it's it's one of the things that's like not def definitively not racist is math and

numbers you guys are losing your damn Minds well math is racist is one of those ones where you it's like if you heard that in a cocktail party you'd be like what like if someone behind you was saying math is racist you'd be like what the we got to get out of here honey I'd say I want to go I want one of what they're having I want to hang out with those guys that's so okay by the way this is my the you know an active bipartisanship the one thing that Republicans man that were

really I think we got really wrong in the last few years is the anti- hunter Biden stuff I want to go hang out with Hunter Biden I mean I may the only Republican that dude that dude he was like H Thom without the writing Talent that guy went hard you got to give it to him I would bet I would bet $100 than Hunter Biden is voting for Donald Trump for president it well it doesn't seem like he likes his dad it seems like he his dad I might I might bet $20 on his dad

voting for Donald Trump for president last night after the garbage comment yeah uh you know that guy is trying to help Donald Trump you're we're going to win I think we're going to win but after we win I'm going to be convinced that Joe Biden was trying to help us the whole time mag hat the Maga hat was crazy that was crazy when he put on the Maga hat in front of those guys and they all cheered and he insisted on keeping the hat and he took it with him I think he's very very resentful

that he got ousted in what was essentially a coup yeah and and I'd love to know what what happened there by way I would love to know what happen I have to use the restroom we come back let's talk about that because this important I just have to PE be right back so the the the wildest thing about the laptop was that they were able to suppress it from social media and wild when I discussed that with Zuckerberg and he openly admitted it that the FBI had contacted him and told him that it was Russian

disinformation and like that was one of those things while he was saying I was like yo I was like this guy's like just saying this yeah and I remember when that episode came out because it like it reverberated across American politics like crazy holy he just said the thing that we all suspected for a very long time and if it wasn't for Elon purchasing Twitter and then and finding out how much of an influence they were having on this and that they were in fact silencing something that they knew to be correct under a lie

under a lie and 51 Former Intelligence agents signed off on this right who's like how did you how did they pull that off like just pulling pulling that off is really wild and the fact that there was no outrage from the left that the left was like it's fine because it's our side and Trump is evil and he's Hitler we got to get rid of him so let's just lie about this laptop and no consequences nothing right the same people that pushed it are still by they still all have security clearances I believe which is

going to change when we win but um I mean also this is this is where I always get pissed about the media conversation around what happened in 2020 is what they'll do is they'll they'll they'll sort of find the craziest conspiracy theory about what happened in 2020 they'll debunk it and say oh look this this thing we this shows that nothing bad happened in 2020 there's a nonpartisan organization that actually looked at what would have happened to Americans votes if they had just known the truth about the fact that Joe Biden fundamentally had traded his

political influence for money like that's what it was it's it's it's an old-fashioned American corruption story I will give you access to powerful people in exchange for money right that was the true Scandal of the hunter Biden laptop again it wasn't Hunter Biden doing cocaine with a stripper that was the fun part you can say that I have an election went um so that was the real SC corrup it was the corruption and and and and direct evidence the the corruption and a nonpartisan or organization said that knowledge which was suppressed by the entire American

Media and big Tech scene that would have changed Millions upon millions of votes and we know that the number in four swing States was 88,000 votes that were the difference between Donald Trump and Joe Biden winning the 2020 election so set to the side all of the other arguments about fraud and all the other rule changes that happened in the midst of Co we know that big Tech colluded with our own sort of I would say colluded the one thing I'll say about Zuckerberg is and I like I don't know him super well I've never

had a problem with them but I do wonder if it's a convenient excuse I don't doubt that the FBI said hey this is Russian disinformation but these companies still have to take some agency over this too right so I think it was both the corruption of the FBI and the intelligence services but also the big technology companies themselves both of them are at blame and I think fundamentally if they had not done what they did Donald Trump would have won another term as president United States you you're never going to be able to convince me

that if Millions upon millions of Swing voters knew the evidence of Joe Biden's corruption and it was staring them in the face that we would not have been able to to pull that one out well Zuckerberg has gotten really into mixed martial arts he's gotten really into jiujitsu and really into training and there's very few things that will turn you into a conservative more than martial arts training like every there's no way to get ahead other than hard work well have you seen all these studies um that basically connect testosterone levels and young men with

conservative politics oh yeah yeah so maybe that's what's going on well it's there's a certain amount maybe that's why the Democrats want us all to be you know poor health and overweight is because that means they going to be no it means we're going to be more liberal right if you if you make people less healthy they apparently become more politically liberal that's an interesting observation well I think there's like socially liberal like Live and Let Live do whatever you want as long as you're not hurting anybody which is really what I am and then

the reality yeah these labels get all confused right yeah and this is where it gets sort of conflated like the reality of hard work being a virtue yes and this has always been a conservative idea is that you're really supposed to like make your mark in this world and get up in the morning and work hard and you should be proud of that yes the only way to get good at Jiu-Jitsu is hard work yes so everybody who really trains hard and gets good has a certain level of a just a true understanding of the

real relationship that the actual the mathematical equation of focus time energy and discipline versus positive results and there's only one way to excel there's no other way to excel at martial arts other than training hard so it's kind of normal that he's becoming like leaning more libertarian and wearing hoodies now yeah no my my my secret jacked my secret theory is is that Zuck is now a trump supporter but he can't say that publicly of course but um hopefully he is really difficult to say that now that's why guys like Bill Amman and chamath and

all these people that stand out it's taking real courage it has yeah and I I like both of those guys they really do get excommunicated absolutely they yeah cocktail parties are a mess after that in M County they think you're a Nazi and that's that's putting it mildly but yeah I mean like you know one of my closest friends in the tech world is David Sachs and Dave and I have talked about this because we were both like it's it's funny we were both sort of critical of trump in 2016 but we came you know

at that criticism from a ride to Center perspective and both of us by 2020 were like this crazy has to end Trump is our guy and maybe not only is he our guy but maybe he was like the only one who could have turned the tide against this insanity and David I mean he has become so far out there and I admire it in a lot of ways but then sometimes I see what David says and I'm like dude are you going to be like welcome in what is he say in your neighborhood well I

mean have you ever interviewed David sax well I mean he's he's just look he's he's very anti-woke he's very very into foreign what I would call foreign policy realism like why are we starting these stupid Wars all over the world we should be our foreign policy should be more pro peace and it it's just crazy to me because he's he's so inflammatory about it that I'm and by the way I love it right I you know I agree with with what a lot of what David says and even when I disagree I know he's a

smart guy but he is just saying look I don't give a if you're going to come after me come after me but I'm going to say what's on my mind and I think you know a lot of people are going in that direction which is fundamentally a good thing is is people are sick of being told what to think and like the first amendment obviously it's a it's a legal document that talks about the role of government in censorship and sort of prohibits government censorship but it's also a sort of ethic and an attitude that

is in demic or I hope is to American society which is we're going to think what we want we're going to say what we want to that's an important First Amendment value even though it has nothing to do with the First Amendment as a legal document itself and a lot of people are sick of being told what to think I was very upset when Tim wal was saying that the First Amendment doesn't apply to hate speech and misinformation like especially those two terms hate speech and misinformation because hate spech they in the eye of the

beholder right it's so subjective and it's the the the the marks are moving as to what's called hate speech now it's moving further and further away from normal say that an 11-year-old should not get gender transition drugs that is hate speech according to a significant subset of left yeah if you call Caitlyn Jenner Bruce Jenner that's hate speech a lot of people would say that's hate speech and you used to get banned for life from Twitter for dead naming someone yes which is just bananas which is totally Banas calling you can call him a but

you you can't you can't call him Bruce the whole thing is so crazy it's just it and but it like I I think that this is and look I'm try not to be too partisan cuz I know a lot of people watch your show but this is to me the biggest the most fundamental difference between Kamala and president Trump in the campaign is you know whether it's Biden calling people garbage or Tim walz calling people fascist and kamla calling people Nazis or endorsing explicit censorship we're not trying to censor our fellow Americans right we'll Tac

comma and our policies and our ideas but we're not trying to say you should be silenced because you disagree with us that is anathema to everything that I believe in and that is what's happen in the in the modern democratic party at least at the leadership level is they've gotten really comfortable with the idea of silencing people who disagree with them such to the point where like it's not even that Tim Waltz thinks that hate speech should be censored it's that the governor of a state could utter that phrase without recognizing how fundamentally subjective it

is right we're or Hillary Clinton saying that we want to censor misinformation she has come out and explicitly said that we have to censor disinformation and L total control or we like hey you're not supposed to have control that's the whole point is you don't want people to have total control and they they can utter it without the American Media going completely bananas just suggests there's something broken about the political culture of the left I mean there are people on CNN and you know CBS and all these other sort of mainstream networks i' would call

them corporate networks all these corporate networks that will say you know when Donald J Trump says that if you riot after after the election you're the enemy of the people or you're an enemy within like that is a major threat to democracy but Hillary Clinton is saying that we should censor disinformation they're just yeah no no big deal and the fact that they can get so fired up about what I think is a pretty Common Sense observation that if you Riot law enforcement should have a response to it but they think that it's the end

of the they don't care at all don't care at all when Hillary Clinton and Tim WS Endor explicit censorship that should scare the hell out of us it should scare the out of you whenever any politician is encouraging censorship especially when it's about things like we said about hate speech and misinformation like misinformation according to who because we've already shown that there's there's a bunch of different factors that have control over what is presented as fact yes and they're not always honest or accurate and these things get put out and it harms people and then

there's some sort of a correction that comes along well the only way find that out especially like during the covid times these things that they called misinformation how many of them turned out to be true almost all of them it's crazy the Wuhan lab it was racist racist to assume that the when John Stewart did that bit on Co bear did you see that I have never seen it though it's amazing CU you see coar scrambling and he's trying to like John's like do you think maybe the lab that was the Wuhan Corona virus lab

lab that like maybe it came from there like it was it was so obvious I mean the the whole argument for the start of Co that wasn't from the Wuhan lab was basically As I understood it that a bat had gotten a weird Corona virus and had like fallen into a guy's soup at a wet you know a was involved there so much stupidity involved and that's like that was more believable than there's the Wuhan Corona virus lab and yeah I I remember when you Tom Cotton was the first major American politician to talk about

this you know Tom's like a good friend and he was immediately pillared as this terrible racist and you know it's just it's bizarre that we're not allowed to talk about things in the United States of America I will say I think it's gotten better this is one of my more optimistic views is you know when we were all locked in our houses in the summer of 2020 I think that did weird things psychologically to everybody agree and I think that a lot of people rebelled against it and we're probably in a better position now in

2024 like chamath would not have come out I love chamath would not have come out for Donald Trump in 2020 right right now he's hosting fundraisers and giving hundreds of thousands of dollars to to our campaign so I I think the fact that you have so many old school liberals and old school leftists say we're done with this is actually a pretty good sign yeah there's still social consequences to it but not nearly as high as they were four years ago well I think when Elon purchased Twitter it changed the entire ire game cuz now

you have this wild west uncensored version of social media that's run by this Super Genius mad man who has all the money in the world right it's a crazy I mean it's really without him we're in a lot of trouble because let's say Twitter never gets purchased they run the same way they've run it in the past where they're being influenced by whatever companies and whatever agencies decide to remove posts move people and ban Donald Trump and ban a bunch of different conservatives and ban a bunch of people that were outcasts and just they just

decided they were controlling the discourse well then you have no Outlets other than parlor and we discussed this yesterday those Outlets 100% got Infested by Bots where absolutely where they're putting Nazi stuff up and like oh this is a Nazi site like no you're the na you put it up there you poisoned it instead of it being just a place where conservatives can go and talk about things and not be censored like they were on Twitter then they get infiltrated with all this hate and then it becomes a hateful place and they don't even want

to go so now they're homeless that's right well now all of a sudden Twitter comes along Elon comes along has this complete shift in how he's viewing this attack on Free Speech then you have shellenberger and Matt taibe they go into the Twitter files they find like oh my God like this is this is unconstitutional this industrial scale censorship is what it was and they weren't right they they did all this stuff and it turned out that all the things they were saying were either lies or were Incorrect corre and there's no repercussions and so

you're seeing all this in real time and no one on the left has any problem with it which to me is insanity and the people that do have a problem with it their solution seems to be to just go to the right they don't even feel like you can reform the left they just people are just like tulsy gabard becomes a republican people just abandoning this like I can't talk to you people that's right I'm doing an event with Tulsa gabber tonight in Pennsylvania I love her she's awesome and uh yeah I think she basically

decided that the left cannot be reformed in this country anymore that's what happened with Bobby Kennedy that's what's happened with a lot of old old school liberals is they say yeah you know we don't care what you do in your bedroom but we we believe in the fundamental right of people to speak their mind and the Democrats just don't believe in that anymore and I thought a lot about like what's you know what what is going on there and what's driving it psychologically and I I think that I think what's going on is the entire

modern democratic party grew up in an era where there was consensus right Walter kronite could say something about the Vietnam War and it turned out he's probably right about that actually and it collapsed public support for the Vietnam War where they grew up in in in America where social social trust was just so much higher and I think that a lot of them are trying to reimpose that social Trust on from the top not recognizing that that high level of social trust came organically from the way that American society worked and if you have people

trying to reimpose it from the top it actually degrades the very thing that you're trying to create because I've seen I mean family members of mine who got really radicalized because they were like wait a second should we be masking three-year-olds in our schools like does that do something to their language development and then they would get kicked off of Facebook because a person with 900 Facebook friends who has no public profile dared to like question the prevailing narrative and again they ended up being right about it I actually think that what the left is

doing is degrading social trust by trying to create it from on high and I kind of get the psychological impulse because you know like a lot of great things that we do come from high levels of social trust but you've got to reestablish it organically you can't try to force it on people and there's been some course correcting like did you read uh bezos's article was it yesterday that came out the Washington Post I did see that what did you think of that I mean I I go back and forth like again I I don't

know Jeff super well I've always liked him in my interactions with him but the problem with the Washington Post is not that their editorial page has been insufficiently conservative it's that their entire journalism department is fundamentally engaged in Democratic political activism I mean the the two we talk about this a lot and you know my political guys are you know a lot of them are outside and certainly a lot of them will watch but we talk a lot about which of the newspapers that have really gone crazy and the New York Times is kind of

an exception yeah it's very left-wing but it hasn't totally gone insane The Washington Post might as well be a propaganda Outlet of the democratic party if you look from the hunter Biden laptop to any number of stories where they just tow the left-wing line almost instinctively the problem was with the journalism at the Washington Post it's not with the editorials I don't care frankly whether the editorial page endorses Donald Trump or kamla Harris I care about whether the the journalists are lying about Donald Trump or lying about kamla Harris and frankly they're lying a lot

in the negative Direction about my running mate and they're lying a lot in the positive direction about kamla Harris so what I would like to see from Jeff Bezos is a commitment to The Washington Post not just being a Democrat Super PAC I don't give a if he hires a few more conservative columnists it doesn't matter what matters is do they hold their journalism to anything like a high standard and if they don't do that then to me it's just wind addressing but it seems like that's a at least a step in the right direction

one thing would be great you have an argument against Donald Trump on the front page next to an argument for Donald Trump and let two different intelligent people State their cases one from a conservative perspective one from a liberal perspective and let's see what what resonates with you it's a step in the right direction I I just think that unless you change the underl l in you know journalism to make it more fair it's it's going to be only a step in the right direction rather than fixing the problem what else can he do I

mean he's probably pretty busy on his yacht hanging out with his girlfriend with tight shirts on how does he have the time you know I mean he can't go into the office and like read everybody's work okay so let let me give you an example there is a there's a journalist by the name of Matt Bole who writes it Breitbart do you know Matt Bole you ever heard of Matt okay so Matt is even though he writes for Breitbart and I know that most people assume that Breitbart is just this like right-wing rag um Matt

is he has one of the best contacts of journalists in in Washington like he knows what's going to happen in the country before most left-wing journalists because he talks to the Liberals he talks to the conservatives he has allies on Capitol Hill I'd love to see The Washington Post hire a guy like Matt Bole and say Matt go and do what you're going to do and obviously it's not going to be able to have the a political bias to it but go investigate if you want to go investigate K Harris's campaign go and do it

but that is what it would look like is empowering conservative and independent journalism in the same way that Jeff Bezos has empowered left-wing journalism if I see that happening then I'll be a little bit more optimistic about about his stewardship well could you imagine if there's the same sort of scrutiny on kamala's speeches and appearances in these media Outlets as there is on trumps oh my God like one of the things that we talked about was how they edited that one uh answer that she she was asked like what you know about foreign policy yeah

they edited it completely and I I wasn't aware that they put an answer for a completely different question there well okay so I I I think that what happened there having done some try to understand that a little bit better is they basically just edited her answer down a lot so that she didn't sound like a total insane person because what aired I think on the small you know the what air on the channels online that had a smaller pickup was the rambling was the rambling the word Sal but what actually aired on the news

programs was I mean it still didn't sound very good but it sounded hell of a lot better but let me let me give you a very good example it's really not the answer it's like they changed the answer but let me see let me see what yeah no you're right they changed the answer but I just wanted to find the statistic from from my team because I asked them this last night so they did change the answer and they changed in a way to protect her and then importantly they refused to to to release the

transcript right so my attitude would be just release the transcript let people see what she actually said so that you at least have some Integrity as a journalistic outlet but okay so here here's you of course I'm sure paid attention to the cruffle over a comedian at the Trump rity MSG I think you even know this guy right he's a good friend of mine so so he tells he tells a joke about um you know Puerto Rico the number of mentions on CNN about this joke in the last 48 hours this was as of last

night 143 on MSNBC 101 on ABC 53 on NBC 32 and on CBS 31 in two days they talked about that joke effectively non-stop you know what it means to have 31 mentions on NBC news about this particular thing that is a crazy that is saturation last night Joe Biden called the half of America that's going to vote for Donald Trump garbage do you think that the word garbage is going to appear on CNN 141 times over the next two days I would bet no now what's the difference well one difference is that it was

a comedian telling a joke and it's the president of the United States telling what he actually thinks another difference is again it's a comedian with at best a tenous connection to the Trump campaign and on the other hand you have the actual C president at a vice presidential campaign event telling the vice president or sorry telling the entire country at an event sanctioned by the kamla Harris campaign that half of Americans are garbage and I guarantee the media is not going to cover this in the same way I mean here let me I don't know

if Jamie can bring this up but I tweeted about this last night that Politico when they initially tried to write the story about what had been said by Joe Biden they said that Biden had called racism against Puerto Ricans garbage well who disagrees with that I think that racism against Puerto Ricans is garbage but that's not what he said he said that Trump's supporters are garbage he said it's on video so Politico tried to like rcon this it turned out there was a video so we can actually see for ourselves what was actually said but

the amount of dishonesty in the American Media really is off the charts it is but also with Joe Biden I think at this point time he's literally that crazy guy on the porch yelling at the neighbors I mean he's no one thinks he's there which is also one of the fascinating things when they asked her when did you know that he was mentally impaired and why didn't you talk about it earlier and there's this Joe Biden has always done the amazing work that Joe Biden does it's just like this l where are you going you

want to get the like the lights that they use air traffic controller like come this way come this way help her out do you think she wears a earpiece oh I wouldn't be surprised I had IDE the earpiece one was amazing little Bluetooth thing the ear earring astonishing she talks the only way I can describe it is she talks in circles right it's it's like Tim Dylan says it's like she does gypsy curses because she speaks in Gypsy curses that's very good oh but it's you know we we need to build an opportunity economy because

if Americans don't have opportunity then they're not going to have the opportunity to be Americans and it's like what the hell the opportunity to generate wealth and generational wealth like wait a minute do you know how few people generate generational wealth that means you have so much money you're going to give it to other Generations but there's there's actually okay I mean I give a lot of speeches so there's actually a skill to this I think that she is the Michael Jordan of using as many words as possible to say as little as possible there's

actually a certain gift that she has because you listen to her talk and you you know you're 1002 words into it you're 500 words into it and you're like what the hell did she just say she didn't say anything right and that actually I mean okay so yeah there's there's a certain political skill in saying a lot without actually saying anything but it actually worries me about her being president like okay they're all these substantive policy disagreements and we could talk about okay I don't like her border policies I don't like this I don't like

that but what does she do when she's in a meeting with a world leader and she has to like know the details of public policy to negotiate with Vladimir Putin or Xi Jinping like one of the major things that you do as a president is you participate in economic negotiations like what tariffs are we going to apply on your goods unless you lower the tariffs on ours or vice versa right you have to be able to know a little bit about your job to be the president of the United States and I don't know that

she has an ounce of curiosity about public policy in this country that's what scares the hell out of me well it's just strange that everyone's accepting that this person who is the least popular vice president ever is now the solution to the problem and that the media machine in just a few days did this 180 and just sold her as the solution and as long as they keep her from having these conversations where she's allowed to talk that's right they're able to pull this off and the the fact that it's happening with no primary should

be really concerning to people cuz that's never happened before they could have had a primary well it's also part of the process where you identify people's flaws you figure out what they're good at what they're bad at like the primary is actually a grueling process how you handle pressure how you handle pressure right and we don't really know how she's handled pressure because she's only done it for a little while and if if you just look at Donald Trump's public schedule JD Vance's public schedule versus KLA Harris dude it is striking how little she does

there was an interview that she did I think it's the only really tough interview she's done with Brett Bayer of Fox News I believe that she had a clear calendar for two days before she did this interview and so they just prepping her just just prepping her but you know how how can you actually you know that's not pressure if you get to take two days off for one single interview that that's not pressure and also just little things I mean look there's this story out there to be clear I have no idea if it's

true but there's a woman who has gone on the record and said that Doug mhof KLA Harris's husband smacked her in the face in France okay that's been reported on the media I'm sure you guys can find it if you want to okay again maybe it's not true maybe it is true but these things take time to actually figure out and investigate and here here's the thing you know you know this I know this most people know this if you are a domestic abuser that usually doesn't stop with one person like most domestic abusers are

serial domestic abusers is it in the public interest to do some investigation about whether the White House the president could be sharing the White House with the person who is engaged in domestic abuse that is in the public interest to know not only is the American Media not that interested in it but most importantly you don't have the time to really investigate some of these accusations meanwhile every time somebody says anything about Donald Trump without an ounce of evidence the American Media picks it up and runs with it and makes an entire news cycle totally

incurious about what's going on with KLA Harris but I think over time what's interesting is most people are becoming aware of this extreme bias the difference in the scrutiny that's applied to Trump so that that's right but you you go back into this question you asked me about Jeff Bezos this is why you need good reporters who have the investigatory skills who are empowered by their employers to go out and do the investigations like you know your platform you're having more honest and open conversations than anything that's happening in the corporate media it's like one

of the reasons why I listen to your show one of the reasons why I'm happy to be here but you don't have like a person working for you who's going to go to like France and talk to this woman and investigate whether this is true this is why you know I've told Elon this but like the most useful piece of philanthropy if you're a right of Center American would be to set up a nonprofit organization where you pay a really good reporter for five years you give them complete job security and you just tell them

go off and investigate what's going on in the world and and bring it back and and report on the truth because if you don't have that then that is where the media still has a fundamental advantage over us is they've got an army of people investigating me and Donald Trump there's no one really investigating Kell Harris well there's also the amount of left-wing media versus right-wing media is pretty disturbing yeah like what what what is the percentage of networks that lean left C CNN clearly MSNBC ABC NBC CBS and then you have Fox then you

have Fox and then you have a couple of online things like news nation and what have you but and if you just reach is much less reach is much much less and if you just look at I mean you're only you know you and a few others are the only people who can compare with the actual platform size of an NBC a CBS I mean yeah fewer people watch them now than they did 20 years ago but if you look man like you're still getting 5 to 8 million viewers every single night for each of

the major networks on the Nightly News that's incredible reach right there's still a lot of power there and you know to your to your point about like the comparison you know Fox News number one if you look at Fox news's viewership compared to NBC is there just dwarfs NBC dwarfs it but more importantly in some ways is Fox News which I do think is very important but yeah they they have a right of siner bias certainly I will admit that but if you look at how much Fox News is covering the left fairly versus the

right it's much more balanced than like an NBC right like NBC would never have an interview with Donald J Trump where the journalist is asking tough questions but is like sitting down and broadcasting Donald Trump for an hour Fox News would do that for kamla Harris and they did do that for kamla Harris and there's a real difference there well there's also like the way Brett Brer uh interviewed bear how bear the way he interviewed K Harris is very similar to the way he interviewed Donald Trump exactly he's exactly and nobody accused him of doing

anything sneaky then no or no one was even angry at him then well because the expectation is that you're going to interrupt and you're going to fact check and you're going to try to actually do the job of an interviewer but the expectation is that if you touch kamla with anything other than kid gloves you know you're not allowed to do that but I think again I think most people are upset it's one of the reasons why the movement is so the movement towards Trump they're so enthusiastic they're so energetic because they do realize that

there's this imbalance and they don't like it and they they think that the only way this is going to get fixed is someone who's a complete Outsider and you can't be more Outsider than a guy who they're literally turning the judicial system against him they're literally trying to prosecute him like a Banana Republic and they're doing it over and over and over again and they're doing it they're speaking about it openly we're going to put him in jail we're going to lock him up and that way we're going to keep keep him from being in

the office well you know I I use this this analogy a couple times publicly but so what's interesting to me about Toddlers and you know I've talked with Tucker Carlson about this toddlers lie in a way that's very different from how everybody else lies right so like if you're telling a lie normally you know hey hey did you do that thing you would say no no no some you know some somebody else did it or they kind of qualified a little bit let me give an example my 4-year-old I'm a big Baker probably surprised by

that but I'm a big Baker and uh my four-year-old and I are making an Oreo cake a few weeks ago and I um my four-year-old is helping me he likes he likes to help me out a lot when I bake and I go to the bathroom and the Oreos that we're supposed to put in the Oreo cake like crumble them up and put them in the cake like half of them are gone when I get back and I'm like buddy what happened to the Oreos and he looks at me and without a hint of irony

or shame he says I didn't eat the Oreos you did right so that's the way that comma Harris lies is I didn't need the Oreos you did not only does she actively brag and has her Administration actively bragged about trying to arrest her political opponents she will go out and say that if Donald Trump is the president he's going to arrest his political opponents even though he already was president and he didn't do that did you see she went on Shannon sharp and said that he's going to take away your second amendment rights it's crazy

the person who wants to who literally wants to confiscate Firearms KLA Harris is saying that Donald Trump wants to take away your second amendment rights dude the the thing that okay do you know who Steve Bannon is yes okay fascinating guy didn't he just get out he got out of prison yesterday they have the audacity to say Donald Trump wants to jail his political opponents Steve Bannon just got out of prison after a four-year prison sentence yesterday and by the way do you know what he was put in jail for do you know the actual

charge no contempt of congress Eric Holder who was Obama's attorney general was found in contempt of congress or at least was you know he he there there was Congress found him in contempt it was never litigated he was never tried to put in jail there was no court case around it the contempt of congress that Steve Bannon engaged in is that the j6 committee or one of these you know Banana Republic committees from the Congressional Democrats they issued him a subpoena he under the advice of his lawyer felt that he couldn't actually respond to the

subpoena because executive privilege applied they held him in contempt of congress and they threw him in prison for it a charge that has been levied against multiple Democrats Republicans never tried to throw anybody in prison against it over it Steve Bannon just got out of prison KL Harris is literally using the power of government has already used the power of government to jail her political opponents and she's saying that Donald Trump is going to do the thing that he didn't do and she did when they were in respective positions of power do you think it's

because they're worried that if he gets into power and he gets back into the office that he's going to start investigating a lot of this stuff and the the 51 Former Intelligence agents that's exactly what they're afraid of they're they're afraid of consequences they're afraid of and look do I think the 51 intelligence agents who signed that letter should go to prison no but should they they be stripped of their security clearance absolutely I do right they lied they used their position of authority and lied to the American people about something that was in the

National interest if there are no consequences for that then what are we doing and they're probably very concerned with a trial that's going to reveal what the elements of that particular story really were like oh there there's yeah there's a lot of corruption there there are I'm sure higher ups there are people who said one thing in public but said something else in private there there probably is at some level of that whole thing people who maybe perjured themselves or at least unethically lied um look there's a lot going on there but but you know

Donald Trump is not going out there and has never said I want to arrest you because you're a Democrat he's never said I want to arrest you because you disagree with me he's never said I want to censor you even because you engage in disinformation what he has said is that we should investigate some of the obvious sources of corruption in the United States government that's not going after your political opponents that's what KL Harris said actually well one of the things that he's talked about pretty openly is that he could have gone after Hillary

Clinton and he didn't because he thought it would look bad for the country and it's true I mean he really could have she did Comm crimes the FBI a Democrat who's supporting Kam Hera said that she committed I think not just crimes but maybe felonies she committed felonies and what Donald Trump did is said you know what it's bad for the country a lot of my voters would love me to prosecute Hillary Clinton but it's bad for the country so I'm not going to do it that is the exact opposite of course of what kamla

Harris and Joe Biden have done and again the media it's a total upside down Universe where they accuse us of doing the very thing that they've done themselves yeah it's really wild to watch it's the gaslighting is off the charts so there's there's a bunch of things that people are uh deeply concerned with in this country uh and it seems like for men it's the economy that seems like the primary thing that people are concerned with and it seems like for a lot of women it's abortion sure abortion and roie Wade is a big concern

yeah now I if I'm correct your position and this is what they wanted when they overturned roie Wade they wanted to leave it in control of the states is this your position yeah so what president Trump has said and what I said is abortion is now a matter for state legislators State voters to determine and there's there's I mean one that's always what the argument was right if Row versus Wade goes away then the state legislator the state populations are going to make each individual abortion decision the same way that like you know California has

different laws on a whole host of subjects that Alabama does the idea is that yeah California would make its own abortion policy Alabama would make its own abortion policy and I so there's there's a basic sort of principle of federalism at work there but I also think that you know knowing Donald Trump well I think he's motivated also by desire for us to just stop having a culture War over this particular issue and to let the voters in these states make these decisions while the national government focuses on things like lowering the cost of groceries

and lowering the cost of housing and securing the southern border and I think there's actually some great wisdom in that because you know think about this abortion has not really been a political issue for 50 years now we say that it is and obviously we disagreed about it and people thought about it it was always something that the Supreme Court said this is the way it is there's no political decision-making every European nation has made abortion policy democratically and that's what Donald Trump is saying do what every European nation has done let the voters decide

what what their abortion policy is going to be and we're going to focus the national government on on different things and I I say this as somebody who you like I I I genuinely you know want people to choose life and I'm you know a big believer in families and I think you know having children has been like a revelatory experience for me and I want our country to be more pro- family more pro- child I think there are all these things that we can do at the federal level to make our country more Pro

family and more Pro child you know make Child Care easier you know stop I've actually sponsored legisl to stop the surprise medical bills that happen when people you I've seen this with my own wife you go to the hospital you come home you've got a beautiful baby but You' also got a $20,000 unexpected bill because you choose the wrong you know the wrong outof Network healthc care provider when you're at the moment of delivering a baby like there are all these things we can do to make it easier for young women young families to choose

life but Donald Trump I think wants abortion policy and he said this explicitly to be decided at the state level I'm not it it's not possible for me to get pregnant so when I think about these things according to some people depends on who you ask but I I think when when you talk you get with the 21st century man it's possible for a man to get pregnant now to Mo for most people I think one of the issues is or for a lot of people one of the issues is that men are making decisions

for what women can can and can't doar and one of the more concerning aspects of this is like say if you live in a state like Texas where there's a a limit to when you can get an abortion I think it's like six weeks which a lot of people think at that point in time you can't even tell whether or not you're pregnant and this puts a lot of women in like very vulnerable positions and then there's this thought that they could go to another state where it is legal and have an abortion but they

could be possibly prosecuted for that in their state that that's concerning to me that we can make if there's a place in the country where it's legal to have medical procedure and you live in a state where it's not legal that your state can decide what you can and can't do with your body which is essentially based on a religious idea and a lot of the and I'm not criticizing it one way or another but I'm saying that a lot of what this choose life thing is about that life is precious and life is sacred

and life begins at the moment of conception and some people agree with this but other people disagree with this and it's seems to be uh a lot of it is based in religion my concern is using that to dictate whether or not a person can legally travel to another state where I don't think the government should be monitoring where you travel or what you do when you travel as long as that thing is legal and I'm concerned with this idea that you could be prosecuted for it in your state for doing something that's legal somewhere

else I don't like the idea to be clear I've not heard of this maybe as a as like a possibility but not as something that actually exists in the in the law but I've not heard of somebody being arrested and I don't like the idea of arresting people for Country I've heard of I've heard of the discussion I've heard as a threat that like I don't like the idea to be clear of people getting arrested for freely moving around the country right I think so so you're pointing about it being a religious idea I mean

I would say I know a number of non-religious people who are very pro-life and I think the honest answer is that what we're doing is we're trying to figure out what is the right balance between autonomy and life I I say this to somebody who when Ohio made this decision I campaigned very aggressively for the more pro-life position in the state of Ohio and my side lost in fact we got our assets kicked we we lost 6040 and I I I took some I took some learning from that I think the one of the things

that I took as a as a as a learning as a guy who cares about this issue is Republicans we've got to earn the people's trust because they don't trust the idea that when we say that we're pro- family we don't just mean Pro birth a lot of people say you're Pro birth but you're not actually pro- family and I think there's a lot that we can do as you know Republicans to try to earn back the trust of the American people but if I'm trying to represent as as fairly as I can the pro-choice

and the pro-life position here's what I think is really going on is you have something now some people would say maybe religiously motivated maybe not that it's a human life I would say that it's a human life but it at least has the potential to be human life and then on the other hand you have again I freely recognize this you have a woman who wants to make a choice about what she wants to do with with her own body those are two very profound values both of which I think are value are valuable right

I mean I think autonomy is really important I also think life is really important and what we're trying to talk about fundamentally I think again I'm trying to be fair to both sides here is to balance the interest in life against the interest in autonomy and I think that the way to do that at least my view is to let the American people debate and talk about and argue about this issue and come to this decision on a state-by-state basis and again California Florida Ohio Alabama we're going have different solutions to this particular problem but

that's what we're trying to do right people like me are trying to say look I think life really matters and other people are trying to say I think autonomy really matters the truth is that 95% of Americans would probably say there's some way to strike the balance in the middle you know where most of Europe has ended up here and it's actually striking because you think of Europe again as a more socially liberal place in America almost every place in Europe has ended up effectively where late term abortion outside of cases of medical necessity is

banned outright and then you know early stage abortion is allowed that's how most societies that democratically settle on this that's how they strike the balance I think my attitude is I'm running for vice president I'm not trying to tell you how to strike the right balance but we want to preserve the right of states to make these decisions I think what people are afraid of is men telling women what they can and can't do with their bodies that's the autonomy value I get it man I look I I get it and I think that there

there is a very real and valid argument here that autonomy should take precedence here but I also think if we're being honest there is an argument that life matters too and that's that's the balance that people are trying to it's very complex and people don't want to look at it that way I I always discuss when I I talk about abortion I say it's one of these very human issues where it's very strange where most people think like at the moment of conception if you could just remove those cells and keep them from multiplying that's

less bad than if you wait six months right like almost everybody would agree to that so what are we doing then like what like bill has a great bit about it you seen b F and there is a moral intuition there that obviously like something that looks and feels like a baby is more valuable than you know something that's just looks heart has a heartbeat sure but but I you know I think the the it's just hard right because it's not clear to me philosophically where you draw the line here um it's a very like

hard question to figure out and I think that's why people debate it and disagree with about it so vociferously but it's it's interesting man the the thing that I find again as a person who leans more in the pro-life side of this debate is okay so you will sometimes hear people on the left say well late term abortion doesn't happen well there's an organization called the gut mocker Institute it's a pro-choice organization it's a pro you know abortion rights organization and they found that there are approximately I think it's 12,000 abortions that happen in the

second half of pregnancy so this is past 20 weeks maybe it's even past 22 weeks about 12,000 abortions past 22 weeks okay they also found that of those 8,000 of them are purely elective there's no medical necessity there's no like you know the baby has some genetic abnormality it's just pure elective late term abortion I don't know how we can't get consensus that that is not good right right come on and in fact especially when it's not a medical necessity exactly every European nation has gotten to that point where you say okay like 8,000 late

term abortions like come on but again it's not my decision as the vice president or and and that's not president Trump's view he's very against a National Abortion ban because he wants this debate to happen organically and democratically and I think that's that's kind of our our attitude to this now you're you're right again there is a balance to strike here but usually in American society we recognize that the way to strike that balance is to debate it as Citizens and not to have like lawyers and judges make these determinations for us believe it or

not Joe Biden had one of the most logical takes on it a long time ago a long time ago back when he could talk back when his brain wasn't fried and he he said abortion should be safe legal and rare well that was my grandmother's view right that was my grandmother's view that was the Bill Clinton view yeah and I I do think that there's something that is really weird about this whole debate where you know thank God to be clear this is not true of the gross majority of our pro-choice citizens but you do

sometimes see people like they'll go on Tik tock and they'll celebrate having an abortion yeah like I've known many many women usually when I was younger um who chose to have abortions because they felt like they didn't have any other options and you know I don't I don't judge them I think that a lot of them just felt like they were completely trapped and they made the decision that was ultimately right for them again my argument is we need to try to gain those women's trust back because clearly the Republican party on this issue has

lost a lot of trust but none of them were like baking birthday cakes and posting about it afterwards they recognized that this is a medical procedure and this is you know something that they felt they had to do but celebrating something like that is just bizarre to me and I I I'm much more comfortable with the people who say safe legal rare than I am with the people who say let's Shadow abortion from the rooftops well it's just this Rebellion thing you know and it's also Rebellion like the the concept in the Zeitgeist is that

abortion had always been you know Ro roie Wade always been the law of the land and then all of a sudden that was taken away and you have these religious men who are trying to dictate what women can and can't do with their bodies yeah yeah no look I mean again I I understand that I understand the the the push back against that but I I think you can go like with so many other issues you can go way too far about it and it becomes trying to celebrate something that at the very best if

you grant I think every argument of the pro-choice side it is a neutral thing not something to be celebrated I think there's very few people that are celebrating though just the extreme The Tick to it's it's like everything right where and I I and I try you this is something that that is dangerous about social media is the the danger of social media with me is not to me that I live in my own Echo chamber and just have views reinforced the danger is that I'm only exposed to the crazy people on the other side

who make me make it easier for me to adopt my own worldview because I'm saying oh it's just people celebrating when in reality you know like like you said most American women even those who are pro-choice are not celebrating this thing I think that's one of the Insidious things about the social media algorithm is that it highlights things that people engage with outrageous which is more outrageous more things that they find reprehensible they see more of it I see so many guys with makeup telling me they're going to take your kids indoctrinate your kids like

why I saying that was because they're highlighting it and when you have an app that's owned by China that is the number one is that a coincidence that's yeah facilitating the worst of our fellow citizens because it allows us to Silo more but I I mean the way that I deal with that is I I just try as hard as I can to remember that most Americans This is what really bothered me about what Biden said like most Americans who vote for KLA Harris are fundamentally good people like I I believe that and you got

to try to find the people who are reasonable and talk to them and that that's why I talk about you know the importance of regaining trust is just I've had enough conversations with people who don't like the Republican parties even their perception of the Republican party's views here that if you talk to reasonable people you gain a different perspective than if you talk to the unreasonable people so I do that I think a lot of people are only informed by headlines and by real quick things that they see on television and so they form these

narratives in their head and this is what they're operating off of that's absolutely right and this is why they have this weird perception of both Republicans and of trump and then they start throwing these terms around like fascism and white supremacy and well of course you don't like fascism of course you don't like white supremacy you can't be a Republican and then next thing you know you're on the other side and you don't like how did you get me you railroaded me and you guys are you're censoring my Facebook what's going on here and it's

it's there's you know there's not like a reasonable and that's the the the one thing that I think the Republican party has done poorly is like be a little bit more balanced and some of these controversial social issues you know like the one thing that people were worried about right after uh roie Wade was gay marriage and gay marriage laws and people were thinking well it's religion that overturned roie Wade and religion is probably goingon to overturn these May these gay marriage laws and people are very terrified about that too yeah and which is which

obviously that's not something we're trying to do but it's interesting to me that how much people focus on the religious element of it because if you go back to the Rover versus Wade debate you Ruth Bader Ginsburg who was a feminist icon and was very pro-choice she thought Ro versus Wade was terrible law why did you think that because I mean basically because of the argument that often you know sort of Republicans will use about making it a state issue is she said look you can be pro-choice as Ruth Bader Ginsburg was but the avenue

to make abortion policy should be legislatures not judges so it it was a procedural argument about how the Constitution functioned where it's funny like Ruth Bader Ginsburg actually agreed with Donald Trump that even if you know like that this should be a States issue that the states should make these decisions among their citizens and it's telling that that perspective is not Illustrated or highlighted but look I I understand like people who aren't you know I'm obviously a person of Faith they don't want people of Faith to force their values down people who don't agree with

them but I'm I'm sort of comfortable with EV every one of us kind of having our our Zone and within that zone I don't want people to come in and tell me what to do like in my home I'd like to be able to raise my kids with my religious values and I'd like to be able to teach my kids what I think and you should be able to teach your kids what you think and then we recognize that the more public The Zone the less that I can get to control what you do and

that's part of living in a pluralistic society and I'm very comfortable with that I think unfortunately the modern left seems to be less and less comfortable even with people of Faith having their own private zone right this is the trans thing where it's like oh we're going to take your kids away if you don't consent to gender reassignment or you know we're going to tell you that you can't send your kids to a religious school you hear people say these things again I think it's the crazies it's not the majority of our fellow citizens but

part of living in a pluralistic society is accepting that every man's Castle or every woman's Castle is his or her own you've got to have respect for people within those castles and then we should hopefully just have some common sense things that everybody can agree on when we're talking about public spaces I think for a lot of people worst case scenario when they start thinking about religious influence on the way they're allowed to behave and the the way their state is governed worst case scenario is a state adopts Sharia law this is worst case scenario

and I think all these people that would cry against the concept of islamophobia yeah really need to understand what that means and what you're talking about and to say that that's an outrageous and ridiculous idea that's never going to take place it's kind of already worked its way into some societies it has it has and there are is it is it Minnesota that has called to prayer like is it Minneapolis I I don't know where I know there is there is a place in Minnesota I believe where they have prayer calls as a matter of

local government I do think that's I do think that's happening that starts getting real weird yeah stuff like that starts getting real weird and when you have people that are openly saying our goal is and they've talked about this in Toronto like activists have said our goal is to outbreed everyone who is not Muslim and vote it out and and put Sharia law in place yeah that's very scary women have to wear burkas this is how it works yeah well and that's I mean that's what to me is so crazy about some of the hyper

leftwing reaction to you know the idea that like somehow I want to force every man woman and child to go to my church is ridiculous I just don't want to do that I've never had any interest in doing that um but where you see actual real religious tyranny is increasingly in Western societies where you've had a large influx of immigrants who don't necessarily assimilate into Western values but try to create I think a religious tyranny at the local level and if you think that won't happen at a national level you're you're crazy did you ever

read Douglas Murray's book uh the Str strange death of Europe um I haven't read the whole thing but i' I've read it in bits and pieces he's a smart guy he got attacked so hard for that because he was really like an early Sounder he's the power R of this well no dude one of the most controversial things I've ever said is what is the first islamist right CU it's important to separate there are Muslims who are not islamists right islamists are like theocrats right right what is the first islamist country that is going to

have a nuclear weapon and sort of joked I said maybe it's going to be the United Kingdom because they're so bad at assimilating sort of newer immigrants into their society you have definitely communities in the UK where local leaders are running explicitly on Sharia law and winning elections in cities that are in the United Kingdom right this is England this is like where America came from right there's a bunch of English uh pilgrims who came to to to the United States that to me is really crazy and really scary and then of course everybody said

well you know Pakistan already has nuclear weapons and my response is well Pakistan isn't necessarily an islamist country it's an Islamic country they certainly have an Islamic government and that's the majority religion of the people but Pakistan isn't going and saying we need to like conquer the infidels at least their government isn't we need to coner conquer the infidels and force them to obey our laws you see that more in among some of the activists in the United Kingdom om maybe than you do in in in certain Arab countries and that's crazy it is crazy

but it it goes along with this thing that we've been talking about I think essentially people have sort of a buil-in mode a program in their mind that accepts religious doctrines and these religious doctrines could be woke it could be you know hardcore right-wing Conservative Christian fundamentalism or it could be Islamic Doctrine but we yeah but this is why assimilation is so important right is that look I'm married to the daughter of immigrants I do think that immigration can enrich this country I do think that you know immigrants many of them are bringing a lot

of to the table but we have to be honest with ourselves that permitting 500,000 immigrants in a society like ours is much different than permitting 5 million or 50 million immigrants and importantly where are the immigrants coming from what are their values what are their economic skills there's something what's their criminal record what's their criminal record there's something very in in in sort of the modern again this is a new thing because this is not Bill Clinton liberalism this is something that we're seeing today where they don't even want to talk about the quality and

the backgrounds and the skills of people coming to our country somehow it's fundamentally racist to say well we don't want certain people of certain backgrounds to be in the United States of America no it's just common sense I mean let let me sort of give you a very specific example okay so you know ask yourself should America accept 100,000 immigrants from Mexico okay just in the abstract well Mexico is a gigantic country with Millions upon millions of people who are we talking about are we talking about people who speak English as a second language and

don't have criminal backgrounds or are we talking about people who don't even read and write in Spanish and do have criminal background grounds cuz those same groups of people even though they come from the country we call Mexico are going to assimilate and contribute to America's Society much differently there's something in the modern liberal mind that doesn't even allow you to ask the question who does America benefit from bringing into this country and if the answer is we don't benefit then why would we bring them into the country well it's also this the concept of

being anti-open border somehow or another became attached instead to of safety it became attached to xenophobia it became attached to racism and when you know you confront people and say do you know that Venezuela is literally opening their prisons and instructing people to just cross into America like no when you tell the one of the wildest ones I think it was you were having a conversation with a woman we were discussing the gangs in Aurora Colorado that have taken yeah and she was like it's only a couple buildings and imagine that's your your community it's

only a couple of apartment complexes right with hundreds of people that have been taken over by Venezuelan gangs I I I think Joe the right number apartment complexes taken over by Venezuelan gangs is zero it's in San Antonio too it's happening in San Antonio it's happening everywhere it's so crazy that people don't want to admit to this because if they do it's empowering the right and they think it's going to help Donald Trump get elected so they're turning a blind eye to dangerous criminals crossing the border with no recurse no tracking you can't do anything

about it well you see this in some communities where because they're small towns and because rapid migrant influx can happen very quickly where the town population has been doubled okay so you don't even have to assume people are criminals what does it do to the local public school when all of a sudden a thousand newcomers show up that don't even speak English right what does it do to the hospital system when you now have thousands of people in a small Health Care system that are showing up to get emergency servic because they don't have access

otherwise to a doctor and now the American citizens have to wait in line for 7 hours to get to see a doctor because we've overwhelmed the local hospital system what does it do to housing prices we've seen this in a number of communities including those that I represent in Ohio when you bring in thousands upon thousands of people you cannot build enough houses quickly enough to accommodate that so the cost of housing becomes unaffordable for American citizens it is the craziest thing that we've seen in this country that you don't even allow people to talk

about the effects of mass migration anymore and that's why I think it's one of the reasons why Donald Trump is going to be elected president or at least should be elected president because he's one of the few guys who's saying you know what no no no we're going to talk about this problem yes some immigrants are good some immigrants are not good and that is an obvious insight to anybody who knows human nature what do you think is the goal behind allowing this to take place now first of all one of the things that KLA

Harris has said was that there was a bill that could have fixed the Border problem but that Donald Trump did not want it to take place because he wanted to keep this as a political talking point totally dishonest totally dishonest what was the bill okay here was the bill what happened is okay let me talk about what the bill does first of all okay number one is it sets a maximum cap on the number of illegal immigrants that we can have before the Border shuts down that maximum cap is 2 million illegal aliens per year

it's like 1.85 million to be more precise that's number one it did number two it codified what's called Catch and Release where a person comes into our country they're an illegal immigrant but they say no no no I'm not an illegal immigrant I'm an asylum seeker and so their claim for Asylum gets adjudicated but because there's a backlog because we have so many there their their claim isn't going to be adjudicated for 15 years so rather than having that person wait in Mexico we give them a work permit and we give them legal status and

we let them come into the United States States of America that's called Catch and Release Donald Trump's policy was you have to wait in Mexico we're not going to catch you and then release you into the country for 15 years it codified that in other words even if Donald Trump became president and this is why he really hated it is that he would not be able to undo Catch and Release if he won the election it would be codified into American law third thing it did nothing on the border wall nothing on an immigration system

called parole which is supposed to be a case by case you grant parole to people people who are fleeing tyranny but Harris has used parole to the tune of millions upon Millions Mass parole whole categories of country have been paroled into the United States it didn't do anything to solve that problem so it wasn't a border security bill it was an amnesty bill now in addition to what I just said it also gave some table scraps to border patrol that and that that is what allows them to hinge onto that one thing and to say

it's a border it's a border security Bill no no no no no it was a mass amnesty bill would have made the Border problem 10 times worse and that's why they ultimately uh pushed it and that's why Republicans fought against it by the way like six Democrats uh voted against that piece of legislation because they thought it was kind of a disaster so it was not a bipartisan border Bill and in fact it was much more bipartisan the opposition to the legislation but it has allowed kamla Harris to go around and dishonestly claim that she

cares about the southern border even though when she came into office they bragged about undoing all of Donald Trump's successful border policies they did exactly that and then we had the massive migrant Invasion that we've seen over the last three years and I think it was good on you in the debate with Tim Waltz when they fact checked you they tried to fact you check you and say that this has always been in place and you stepped up and said no no no this app is new and this app was specifically used for shipping yes

and now they're using it to schedule people to illegally come come into the country so but here's the question why why is this happening what do you think I mean obviously speculation a little bit but what do you think the motivation of allowing this to take place and the disproportionate number of people that have moved to swing states which is also like a little suspicious um so depends on how many how many tinf foil hats do you have in this room dude I got a wardrobe we can get real serious about this real quick or

pretty pretty crazy very quickly look I think what is obvious is and I've seen this in the halls of Congress I've seen it very explicitly you talk about lobbying and we obviously talked about the context of other Industries there is a massive corporate Lobby for cheap labor in the United States of America and that is I think the main thing that's going on think about this if you've got millions of illegal aliens okay let me tell you a story in 2017 2018 when I was in the private sector I was at a a business conference

dinner and I was seated next to the CEO of one of the largest hotel chains in America this is I think probably 2018 and the guy is going on and on about how much he hates Donald Trump and I'm like oh that's interesting like why do you hate Donald Trump so much cuz again I was I was sort of a trump skeptic in 2015 and at this point I was kind of you know starting to really get get on the Trump train and he said well the reason as I the reason I hate Donald Trump

he says is because Donald Trump's border policies have cut down the number of illegal immigrants and because I can't pay illegal immigrants under the table anymore I have to pay American workers and they want much higher wages and I was like this guy just admitted it I was like holy this guy just aded that is like straight up Monopoly man evil that this guy admitted to and I was like you know my my wife who's very apolitical she was actually at the dinner with me and she's like come again you just said you don't want

Americans to get decent wages like that is the best argument for Donald Trump's immigration policy is that American workers are getting higher wages and this is why this corporate CEO hates it so whatever the industry is you've got a lot of people who want cheap labor and they don't want to pay American workers higher wages that's a big part of it I do think there's also a power Dynamic to it in particular I think kamla Harris and the Democrats they want to give these millions upon millions of illegal aliens the right to vote they want

to legalize them they want to make it easier for them to participate in our elections and that means fundamentally the end of American democracy because you're talking about 25 million people here if KLA Harris gives 10 million of those people legal status and allows them to vote in American elections then you know say say say 7030 they go Democrat Republicans will never win a national election in this country in my lifetime and the only way to get them on your side was be would be the Republicans offer the same services and maybe even be more

generous in letting illegals in exactly I mean You' have to literally beat them at their own game like I'm going to give you a free house yeah no I mean yeah you know lifetime is probably overstating it but you'd have to it would take 30 years for the Republic to get to a point where we could even compete with these these newcomers but again it will have degraded the voting power of the people who have the legal right to be here and States blue forever the same way they've done California exactly and we saw this

and look I'm I'm like a Reagan guy right I'm a Conservative Republican um but Reagan screwed up a lot he screwed up mental health in this country people don't talk nearly enough about that the amnesty thing he really screwed up amnesty thing he really screwed up and people always say well you know Ronald Reagan you know when they CR of of Donald Trump will say well look at how Reagan talked about immigration because of what Ronald Reagan did at the 1986 amnesty California is now effectively a permanently Blue State except when Arnold won but Arnold

ran as a super moderate Republican he was a major celebrity right he was at the height of his celebrity power and he still he still won barely even though California had been mismanaged California is a one party State because of Ronald Reagan's amnesty and that's the fear is that the entire country could become one part the entire country becomes that now it also you may not appreciate this but even if you don't give people the right to vote it really distorts Congressional apportionment and then the Electoral College you know how this works yes I do

but explain it to people please okay so how many you know we have 435 congressional seats who the way that you draw those congressional districts is that you try to draw them evenly based on population so that everybody has equal representation right one person one vote fundamental principle of American law but you don't just count the American citizens you also count the illegal aliens and so for example the state of Ohio lost a congressional seat in the last census and states that have high illegal immigrant populations picked up congressional seats so you're actually taking away

congressional representation from American citizens and giving it to illegal aliens even if you don't give them the right to vote you're still destroying the voting power of American citizens because it's based on population because it's based on population including illegal immigrants is there a way to change it so that it's only based on legal American citizens well Donald Trump tried a proposal that Democrats went nuts over and litigated was litigated in the courts so we would have to try again that would ask citizenship status during the US Census the idea being that if you ask

more people their citizenship status you get fewer people who are answering that question I think that we should make it and I and I do think this this would require an of Congress but I think that it would be constitutional is we should just say that illegal aliens are not counted for purposes of congressional representation yeah I mean Democrats would call that racist but it's just common sense policy well especially if it's been shown that you're manipulating it by moving more people to these places and even if they're not legal citizens and they can't vote

it still counts as congressional seats correct that's kind of crazy that's exactly right it doesn't I the the one that drives me the most crazy is this idea a that somehow or another uh it's discriminatory to require ID to vote nuts that could only me I've tried to look at this from the most charitable position outside of it only makes sense if you're trying to cheat that's exactly right this you need an ID for everything you need an ID to rent a car well you know it's basically illegal now in California to ask for voter

ID which is crazy which is totally insane but you know my my my view and I I'm sure you got many many listeners in the great state of California the next time you're pulled over by a police officer just tell them that you're on your way to vote I've seen that me I mean think about this but you you can't if you can't require people to show voter ID then I think you're inviting fraud into your system and there's also something implicitly very racist about this because what they say is voter ID means that black

people aren't going to vote well number one if you look at polls the same level of support for voter ID exists in the black community is in the white Community it's about 75 80% of blacks 75 80% of whites support voter ID but they're basically saying that black people can't get identification when they say that voter ID is racist they're implicitly saying black people can't get identification I think that's an actual racist concept concept I actually assume that my fellow or or or the black citizens are my fellow Americans and they can do the same

thing that every other citizen can do which is good identification yeah it's fundamentally just gaslighting it's yeah that's right that's all it is it's just you're trying hard to make your point because you want people to be able to vote that maybe shouldn't be voting and then there's all these lawsuits where they're counting votes that they know to be illegitimate well they're saying that there's a certain amount of people that are in the system that they're going to they want to keep in there yeah which is crazy so you're saying you want people that shouldn't

be allowed to vote to vote no they say that they don't want illegal aliens or illegal voters to vote the Harris Administration right now is litigating a law suit against the governor of Virginia because the governor of Virginia using a state law kicked about 1,500 people or maybe 6,500 but it was it was some some number of people off the Virginia voter roles because they checked a box that said they were non-citizen well if you're non-citizen you can't be on the voter roles so he kicked all of the non-citizens off the voter roles Harris is

suing Glenn yunan the the department of justice under kamla Harris is suing him to ensure that those voters go back on the V rules there's no argument any sense there's no argument for this other than you want to facilitate cheating but the fact that the left has no problem with this because they just want to win is insane but who's going to hold their feet to the fire who's going to tell the honest truth the American Media has barely even covered the fact that in the middle of a very consequential presidental presidential election kamla Harris's

Department of Justice is suing to keep illegal voters on the voter roles it's crazy it's wild so it's like for Trump to win he has to win by an enormous margin he has to overcome a lot of this Shenanigans well as president Trump says we want to make it too big to rig uh I I I look I encourage all of your listeners whether you agree with us on all the issues or not if you agree with censorship then vote kamla Harris and if you think Americans should be able to say what they want to

say then get out there and vote vote early vote by mail like that's obviously part of the reason why I'm here is I want to get people out there to vote because I do think that we need to overwhelm the system with so many voters that we ensure that we get the representative government that we actually deserve as a country and that's not going to happen unless people get out there and vote is one of the things that I think is an important issue that kind of gets put aside is I know a lot of

veterans in particular and a lot of people with uh some severe trauma that have had uh psychedelic therapy and they've had to go to other countries to do it they've they've done some of it illegally in America but I know far too many guys who have had PTSD who have had an incredible experience and been alleviated of all these and this helped them the helped them tremendously what is it is it like MDMA or is it what MDMA was what Maps was using they were running these studies and they got they they got close to

FDA approval but then now they're being sent back to say they have to do more studies the problem is like you can't really do blind Placebo controled studies on MDMA either you're on it or you're not on it it's pretty obvious you know yeah sugar pills don't have the same effects yeah it just doesn't but the therapy for people that are suffering from severe PTSD has been incredibly beneficial they've shown that with the map studies but they've also shown it with like anecdotally I know a bunch of different guys that have gone down to Mexico

and had psilocybin Journeys and all these different things where they've encountered these experience es that have made them sort of rethink who they are alleviated them of a lot of the stress and a lot of the the the trauma that they've experienced and given them peace and the the the the concept of schedule one is that there's no medical benefit right and if these people are experiencing first of all C cessation of smoking people that have had issues with addiction I beain treatments another one that they've found which is not something that anyone would ever

abuse recreationally I've never done on it but apparently it's an excruciating experience but the uh rate of curing addiction is tremendous from it and these things have been denied uh a people have had denied access to it because of this scheduling issue huh like there's a like we we discussed it yesterday on the podcast like the ld50 rate was like lethal dose at 50% is impossible to achieve with silin and yet it's still illegal and that there's all these people that have reported Sid mushrooms right yes okay and you know but you can synthesize it

it doesn't have to be I see but the the scheduling of these things in particularly like marijuana like marijuana is legal on a state level with I think almost half the country now if not more yeah but yet federally illegal and if you go to the history of why it was federally illegal in the first place it coincides with the U what happened with prohibition of alcohol right after prohibition of alcohol they turned their eyes to marijuana and there was a lot of political influence by Harry anslinger and William Randolph Hurst and there's a lot

of maneuvering and that's where the reform Madness films came up and all this propaganda stuff it was to make it illegal essentially to to make the textile the the hemp illegal interesting okay there's a long history to it we can get it's basically more about the commodity of hemp that it was really about the drug itself in fact the the term marijuana was never used for cannabis which has been used for thousands and thousands of years the term marijuana was created by William Randol Hurst and put in Hurst newspapers it was originally marijuana was a

Mexican slang word for a wild tobacco really it had nothing so they started writing these stories about blacks and Mexicans smoking this new drug marijuana and raping white women and most of this was I had no idea this history it's so crazy the story is so nuts but it all came about because of a uh an invention called the decorticator and the decorticator is uh it's an invention that allows them to economically and effectively process hemp fiber without slave labor so when the cotton gin came along people stopped using hemp as much because it's much

more difficult to work with and they started using cotton for clothing but before that they' use hemp and this is nonpsychoactive hemp yeah it makes a superior paper it does there's there's a bunch of uses for it completely outside of the active aspect of it William Rand there was the cover of was it Popular Science magazine Popular Mechanics magazine hemp the new billion doll crop and it was all about this invention so then the propaganda machine goes into full scale and then they start this was in the 1930s okay so they start here it is

the new billion doll crop 1938 and this is because of this invention the decorticator so solves a problem you can see it there solves a problem more than 6,000 years old hemp a crop that would not compete with other American products and instead it will displace Imports of raw material and manufactured products produced by underpaid coie and peasant labor provide thousands of jobs for American workers throughout the land so everybody was really high on hemp as a commodity because of this new machine that you could process hemp fiber with where you can make much more

Superior paper Superior clothing like it's like canvas literally the mon Lisa was painted on hemp the first draft the Declaration of Independence was written on hemp they used to use it for paper back then so then brandol Hurst who owns Hurst publication and also owns all these paper mills and forests filled with trees okay so they go back to the financial exactly and so we're still trapped under this propaganda that was distributed in the 1930s by incredibly powerful people yeah and this is why it's illegal on the federal level and even though you have medical

marijuana that's been showed to help people with chemotherapy and wasting disease help people that have appetite problem and people in chronic pain it's still listed as a schedule run drug federally which to me is unconscionable it doesn't make any sense okay so like first of all we're not trying to be clear because I'm speaking as a vice presidental candidate we're not trying to throw people in jail for smoking weed that's like very much Something That We're Not Just in doing um what is I mean the one thing that I have like my attitude on this

stuff is kind of Live and Let Live Like keep it in your home I don't like smelling it when I take my kids to the park right keep Dy what's that yeah exactly um but like you know keep it at home I don't want to throw people in prison that's not what we're trying to do I don't think you should be drunk at the park either right exactly exactly same same exact principle the the the thing that I wonder about is if you you know I I I do there's a part of me that worries

a little bit about kids doing a lot of this stuff and I wonder you know to your point about consent and the brains development and all these things really worry about do you have an increase in usage among minors and so what I'd like to get is is some sort of legal regime that you know again it's not like criminally Prosecuting or Prosecuting at all people for smoking a joint but also where we can actually ensure that it's kept out of public spaces that's kind of my attitude towards it and I think that's the right

the right approach I mean on the Psychedelic thing what is like what would need to be done cuz I I know to be clear I know absolutely nothing about this so this is me you know asking a question not committing to some public policy you had to be careful with this stuff especially six days from an election but I had never heard about you know because I'm a veteran too I served four years in the united Marine Corps went to Iraq uh went to Haiti once and is there any like like what is the pathway

I guess or what do you think should happen for veterans accessing psychedelics well there's so many anecdotal stories about veterans experiencing relief that I think think it should be available to them uh especially veterans I think that we put our veterans through but is it like an FDA thing as making it possible for them to get the therapy okay yes and it's also the way it's scheduled you know it's because it's schedule one isn't it but like like if it had a medical use presly you would get it off of schedule one yes so why

aren't we and I'm just fascinated by this this is the first time I've heard about this why aren't we testing whether there is yeah Fair Point you can't do a double blind placebo controlled study but you can definitely still study whether this helps people or not why aren't we doing that or are we doing that I'm just not aware of it well we're definitely not doing it I mean there's been some research John Hopkins did some research on psychedelics and theyve found similar benefits there's also dangers like uh any anything that has profound effects on

the human mind there's certain people that are very vulnerable and those people should not be taking these things there's people that have a hard time with regular reality you know they're barely hanging on regularly yeah and but I think the people that are not should have access to that because I believe in Freedom and I and I believe in the freedom to explore things that have great benefits and I keep going back to Veterans because I think we require an insane thing of them we take regular people who live in civilized society we send them

over to Afghanistan and Iraq and have them engaged in the absolutely most brutal thing that people do which is war they see their friends blown apart they get shot they see people die they have to kill people and then they come back here and then they're supposed to just acclimate Y and there's no guidelines there's no way to do it there's no no one can coach you through it and a lot of these guys wind up killing themselves and it's it's a very high amount and you know Shawn Ryan you have you done his show

yeah love Shan Ryan Love Shawn Ryan Shawn Ryan was talking about the experience that it had with him completely changed his life he stopped drinking he became a much more compassionate sensitive person we talked about like foreign policy and and Veteran stuff but we didn't talk about this that's the guy's in Navy SEAL I mean he's seen a lot of he's seen a lot of right I mean it's just that's the job and you come back over here and you're supposed to just be normal and there's no help at least for those people I know

like look I my attitude is we should help veterans get the mental health they need meal mental health treatment they need and be less screwed up by all this stuff we should be doing whatever we can I guess I just don't understand why aren't we like is this a Pharma lobbying thing is this a bureaucratic screwed up thing like because I'm always wondering like what what why are we not actually solving problems and this is a problem I know nothing about sorry I know a lot about veteran suicides and Veteran mental health this this proposed

solution like literally the first time you get real cynical as to what's the resistance you could say the companies that make psychotropic drugs uh ssris and the like and companies that have a vested interest in continuing to sell these things would not want something that causes people to have a profound psychological change that doesn't require them to be on these things anymore there could be an impact in that but I think there's also a lot of ignorance yeah have you read this book bad therapy no okay it's good I've heard it's good yeah I haven't

heard it though so the mental health thing in the United States is really really worrisome because you know when I when I talk about obviously we have a big gun violence problem you unit States of America and I talk about mental health because obviously that's a part of what's going on here it's what they say is well every other country has mental health meaning Advocates of strict gun laws say every other country has mental health problems but they don't have the same gun violence problem that we do it's actually not totally true if you look

at like SSRI prescriptions uh selective serotonin and reuptake Inhibitors it's like Prozac that category of mental health Therapeutics we take something like six times as much as are peer countries economically so clearly there's something with mental health treatment in the United States that is very very broken there's also a direct correlation between School shooters Mass Shooters and ssris really yeah oh yeah like most of the people that have com that have committed mass shootings and not talking about gang shootings but a bunch of them are on psychotropic drugs and everybody wants to blame drugs oh

yeah Google it because you you can find out what the numbers I know Coline kids were on psychotropic drugs I know there's been a ton of School shooters prescribed talking about weed no no no prescribed psychotropic drugs prescribed psych psychiatric drugs and that if you bring that up you are taking away from the this argument they want to say where they want to blame everything on the guns it's all about gun control and we need more gun control like the gun is a tool there's more guns in this country than there are human beings okay

I I made this I made this argument out the debate the the idea that you can gun regulate your way out of this problem is ridiculous because ridicul we have so many firearms in the United States of America that even if I bought into the gun control argument you're never going to be able to get sufficient guns off the streets so it's ridiculous so we have we have to actually go after some of the root causes here it also ignores me like Finland for example has a lot of guns does not have nearly the same

problem with these Mass shooters that we do I'd be interested to see what their their um mental health drug usage rate is too did you ever see Ted nent debate Pierce Morgan on gun violence no I never did I pretty good it's really good Ted smart guy he's a very smart guy but Ted actually knows the statistics so when Pierce was bringing up all the mass shootings and all the gun violence shootings Ted said do you know what they really are do you know how many of them are suicide side do you know how many

of them are gang violence do you know how many of them are cop shooting bad guys do you know how many of them are actually Mass Shooters yeah yeah I did know that actually that Mo when we talk about gun violence problem what we're really talking about primarily is gang violence yes right that's where that's where a lot of the gun violence I think a majority of the gun violence is coming from which is not to say it's not a problem but it's not the same problem that obviously gathers most of the headlines right and

idea that just getting guns out of people's hands you got a bail we're good I'm I'm good if you are the guy yeah the idea that you're going to take guns away from everyone you're going to solve the problem it's like no you're you're still going to have people that are out of their mind and they want to commit violence and they're going to find another way to do it like we we've we've had other ways that people have killed a lot of people because they were sick yeah because they're out of their mind that's

right and the fact that no one wants to look at this connection between psychiatric drugs and mass shootings is kind of insane have you have you found anything that shows like the data on that's pretty wild I'm finding people saying that there no link no proof there's a paper that says so I'm trying to find so that time is that's Central Time right it's 12:19 right now we've probably got like 15 20 more minutes cuz I have to do this event with tulsy in Pennsylvania so um when is this going to air but oh sorry

tomorrow tomorrow great or today okay today tonight fantastic um anyway so yeah what are you doing with Tulsi uh we're doing veterans Town Hall as a matter of fact at uh I think we're doing Western PA but I need to check I don't know where I'm going from day to day but um yeah she obviously cares a lot about veterans issues and you know the most important veterans issue is yeah the mental health thing really matters but it's that we shouldn't be sending them to stupid Wars well that was one of the most insane things

that Hillary Clinton did when she tried to say that she was a Russian agent like that was so much man I is so crazy this woman so czy overseas twice she was a congresswoman for eight years and decided to call her Russi Russian agent Hillary Clinton by the way who's not served in the military at all and who's you know at least her husband and her daughter haven't served in the military at all so her immediate family hasn't like give me a break on this she was deployed in medical unions I mean that's what literally

where she got that streak of gray in her hair no me Tulsi is a like legitimate servant to the United States of America and the accusation that she's not comes from people who want to send Americans to Wars that have no connection to our national interest I mean this is the biggest difference I think between K Harrison Donald Trump is actually foreign policy and that there are three issues man I I've learned this in my own brief political career there are three issues where you are not allowed to challenge The Establishment one is trade you

you know you have to be pro- free trade everything is good let as many Chinese slave labor made products into your country as possible even if it destroys native indust industries that is number one the most important issue to our establishment the number two most important issue is is immigration and the number three most important issue is foreign policy and maybe actually foreign policy is the biggest because if you criticize the wars and you criticize American foreign entanglements that is where people get really far what is the root of that you think I think some

of financial right I mean you know Liz sheney wants her board seat at Ron and everywhere else that's that's part of what's driving it of course her dad was a major owner um or I believe that he owned a pretty significant stank in Halle Burton but I actually think I don't want to overstate that because I actually don't think that's most of what's going on and I I this is maybe a background view that I have that I should interrogate a little bit more but I I tend to think that people aren't expressly financially motivated

I think they're much better at rationalizing their financial motivation as somehow good so I don't think Liz Cheney to be fair even though I can't stand her wakes up and says oh I want to get rich so I'm going to support the Ukraine war so that rathon can continue making all these missiles I think what's going on is they have convince themselves that the post World War II American consensus this entire idea that we're going to remake the entire world in America's image they think that that is the most important the most valuable project and

they don't care they're going to they're going to do it as much as they can even though I think it's run its course I think we should have learned in Iraq we can't turn everybody into the United States States of America nor should we want to but these guys can't quite give up on it it's just a powerful psychological motivation if you go back to when the Soviet Union fell right when the Berlin Wall fell in the late 80s early 90s there was this sense among American leaders right Bill Clinton takes over in 1992 that

we had reached what was called at the time the end of history that Western liberal democracy was going to Triumph everybody was going to be like us there was going to be no more ethnic conflict no more Rel conflict no more regional conflict and I think these guys bought the idea so profoundly that they can't really wake up and recognize that for the past 40 years we've tried their theories and their theories haven't worked there's also the craziest thing that happened to me during this campaign was when Dick Cheney and dors KLA Harris and the

left went crazy yay dick ch's on our side like the craziest thing I know the guy look at what they said about Donald Trump how much do you hate Donald Trump that you're willing to choose Dick Cheney over him and that Dick Cheney is all of a sudden a good guy the the engineer behind the Iraq war is responsible for how many people dead um you know hundreds of thousands maybe millions of Arabs certainly thousands of Americans the biggest world historical catastrophe I think in the history of the United States of America was the Iraq

War because unlike other mistakes that we've made it was truly unforced there was no reason in hindsight to do it there was nothing that we got out of it we lost I mean so many innocent people we spent trillions of dollars we I think destroyed the social cohesion that we had gotten after 911 because remember like after 9/11 everybody was an American we were all on the same team democrat or republican we destroyed that and we created in Iraq effectively a proxy of Iran which it's telling now that 20 years later the biggest foreign policy

threat that we face in the Middle East is Iran and we created a massive Ally of the Iranians and the Iraqis and none of the people who actually presided over that disaster saying oh maybe we really really screwed up and maybe we should reevaluate some of our assumptions there's only a few days left um how much of a chance do you think Trump has to win this um are you confident or is it close I'm confident I I'm it is close but I am confident because it's close but it's close in a way that favors

us right the undecided voters tend to be voters who are more aligned with us I think the early voting data looks really good I think that you know people just fundamentally don't want to do more of the same and kamla Harris is more of the same I think some of our arguments that KLA Harris is the voter is the candidate of censorship is starting to really break through but you know to your listeners if you agree with what I've said here get out there and vote because like there is something to be said for me

and Donald Trump actually sat and had a conversation and you know hopefully I didn't make a complete fool of myself but they just don't do that right like why why would we make a person who's terrified of talking about what she wants to do and what she believes why would we make her president of the United States the only way to to to make that not happen is to vote for me and Trump uh on or before November the 5th so it's it's very important um I feel good about it but I don't feel great

about it because there are a lot of ways in which Democrats are going to try to motivate their base down the stretch there are a lot of ways in which yeah I mean I I I wouldn't put it past them maybe they do try to cheat I don't know exactly what it looks like in five or six days but I know that the best thing that we can do to prevent that from happening is to get out there make our voices heard all right thanks man thank you very much thanks for being here appreciate it

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