A EXPERIÊNCIA De Quase-Morte Mais DETALHADA Já Registrada: Uma Visita Ao CÉU | John J. Davis

We come into life because - we want to experience hardship because that's where we learn - Not not all the time do we come in to experience hardship but - if you didn't want to experience anything you would stay on the other side - and you still learn that way But it's like trying to describe to somebody - what it's like to ride a bike You really can't describe what it's like in they have to actually do it I'd like to welcome to the show John J Davis How are you doing John Hey Alex I'm

doing great It's so good to see you Thank you so much for coming on the show my friend I've been really looking forward to our conversation because I've spoken to probably around 40 or 50 - near death experiencers at this point But your near death experience is - - easily one of the most detailed - of any out there So - I'm really - looking forward to diving in But before we dive in I always like to ask this question What was your life like - prior to your near death experience Prior to that I

was raised a Catholic Yeah - And my dad he loved to go to church And we would go to church sometimes - two or three days a week and then on Sundays also So I was inundated with Catholicism - And - before I had my NDE I had never had - any experiences of any kind other than Catholicism I was 21 at the time and I was considering whether or not going to college going to school and - the last thing on my mind - was I had a hard time understanding Catholicism because the big

thing that I had a hard time with was - the fear of God that they put in you You were supposed to fear God - And - I never really got that So after I had my near death experience my entire life changed that way in terms of spirituality and my views of religion Like I have a hard time considering myself to be a Christian but - I love Jesus - and I read the New Testament all the time but I have a really hard time with the christian dogma So that's what my life was

like before just very much - more materialism more interested in what I was supposed to do with my life because I really had no clue at that point So this NDE - made a huge difference for me and it gave me - a solid direction to pursue - And ever since then I have been sharing my story - And - something I'll mention to you too is you know how when you hear other people's near death experiences a lot of times - they come back with some kind of a gift like maybe the person is

maybe they have some psychic abilities or I heard of one guy who was able to compose music or they can - Well I didn't have anything like that but the only thing I did have - was and I think this has to be a God thing I was given - 100% - - memory recall of everything I saw So my experience - happened in 1987 - - But when I tell the story it's like I see everything just like as if it happened yesterday That's why I'm able to remember so many details So - I

think that was just a gift that was given to me so I could share my story to people and - help them and give them hope There's so much more than what we be here on earth Well my friend I am here to help you get the word out So let's dive in So what happened on the day that you had your near death experience Yeah well my dad had won a sales contest - and he won two mopeds and it's kind of like scooters or mopeds they call them scooters now but - we used

to ride those on the weekends So one day I was out riding and I had an accident - and I slammed into a tree And the way I landed I tore the tendons off my right hand - - and they - had to go in to have surgery Well I was 21 I had never been - in surgery before I didn't know what to expect I probably been in a hospital just a handful of times not very often so I had no idea what was going to happen So they give me the iv - and

they start to pump in the anesthesia - and I had - - some kind of an allergic reaction and it stopped my heart and I died the very second - that I died I opened my eyes again - - and I was standing - in the most beautiful - building - I have ever seen And my very first thought was oh my God I had no idea the hospital was this big because - the building that I was in it was a long corridor building - and I couldn't see the end of it it was

so long And - there were columns on the right hand side - - marble beautiful white marble columns maybe 30ft high all the way down as far as you could see And they were about - five or 10ft apart In the middle of this corridor like building were these marble tables just regular marble rectangle or kind of square tables and there were - marble benches on every single table And these tables went as far again as far as you could see And the most amazing part was what was to my left to the left of

this building again were like a marble all made of white beautiful pristine marble There were these tunnels - that looked like they were cut out of solid marble They corresponded to each table So there was a marble column then a table then - these tunnels And again they went as far down as you could see Each tunnel was maybe 5ft apart and it was seven or 8ft high And it looked like it would been carved - out of the marble Solid 90 degree angles like you have in a doorway Well I need to tell you

something else that happened here This will kind of - help me explain how this process worked At that point right then - I heard a voice - in my - left ear and it said my name is Alan - I'm your spirit guide - - Well I had no idea - what that meant so I just went through this whole process And what happened - is my spirit guide took me - to every place - that I'm going to describe for your audience And he took me to the outside first of every building and then

he took me to the inside And I like to tell people so they can have a kind of a visualization This building that I was in - - looks like a temple - in Turkey the country Turkey and it's called the Temple of Artemis and it's A-R-T-E-M-I-S So if your listeners want to google it they can google it and see - kind of - what I was shown That's what this building looked like - - So anyway everything - I'm going to tell you guys it's from what my guide was telling me He told me

everything I was seeing and what it was for - Well this building that I was in he told me this is the orientation center And what's kind of different about my experience you've probably heard a lot of - typical near death experiences where the person says that - they had an accident or they were in the hospital and they found themselves - floating above their bodies Then they become aware of - a tunnel and at the end of the tunnel - is a white light Well my experience for some reason I skipped all of that

- and they took me - to the other side - of that white light And what's on the other side of the white light As soon as somebody walks into it they're in this orientation center - and they come through - - these tunnels that were on my left The tunnels connect people - - with earth - to the other side So when their lifetime is finished on earth they cross through these tunnels and they end up on the other side So somehow these tunnels are connected to earth And I don't know how it all

works but that's how people get to the other side So - my guide told me - to - look to my left at the next tunnel So I looked to my left - and there was a gentleman coming through He was probably - in his eighty s or ninety s and he had just finished his life - and - he had his right hand - holding his chest - like he was in pain And my guide said he died from a heart attack so he's coming through the tunnel - And at these tables that I've

mentioned there are two people sitting at each table - on the other side And my guide said they are orientation counselors So their job - is to help orientate people back to the other side And the reason they have them - is - oftentimes when people come into life somehow And I think this is a God thing also because I don't understand how it works But when we come into a lifetime our memory gets washed about the other side where we're from because we're not from Earth Earth is just the place of learning and growth

and developing your soul But our real home is on the other side Or some people like to call it heaven Some people call it the afterlife And so these orientation counselors - help people remember - where they're really from So the woman there was a woman at the table I was looking She stood up She walked over to this man and she took her hands and his and she led him back to the table And they sat down The entire time she was talking to him she was holding his hands And my guide said watch

him - So as I was watching him his appearance began to change - from a man who was in his eighty s or ninety s to a man who was in his thirty s And nobody told me why the 30s - But for whatever reason we're in our Don't know if it has to do with that Was the age that - Jesus died I have no idea - But we're in our 30s so that's what happens during the orientation They just talk to him about where they're from You finished your lifetime here You are back

on the other side now - But when he was done with that he stood up - and he walked to the right and he stepped down three steps They have columns between these orientation areas So he stepped down and he walked into what I call the gardens - because it was the most - - beautiful gardens you could ever imagine - They were like - english gardens just beautifully manicured and - the most beautiful trees and flowers And what I remember the most - was the grass The grass was - - absolutely - emerald green

just gorgeous And what happens is the reason that they go into the gardens - when they cross over is that's where they have the reunions Everybody that they've known in their lifetime friends loved ones family cousins grandparents everybody - is there waiting for them when they cross over - and they have a reunion And it's a big deal When - somebody comes back from a life on earth it's a huge deal because - what I was told - is that earth this planet is the hardest of all of them And I'll get to that for

your audience in just a minute But they have reunions and they welcome people back and it's a really huge big deal So that was the first place he took me to was the Orientation center And I think that he wanted to show me how the process actually works You die your body dies When it's your time to go - into the tunnel go past the light you're in orientation - You have an orientation session then you meet with your family and relatives - So that was the first part The next place he took me to

- was - this building was square or I guess it was kind of rectangular square - And it had columns beautiful white marble columns all around the outside of it And I don't know why - a lot of the places that he took me to look like greek buildings but they do - And the other side that's not all that's there - The other side - is Think of it like another planet kind of like earth but it's perfect There's no wars there's no poverty there's no hunger there's no - disease It's just a perfect

world what the other side is like And the place that he took me to - was just one specific area So the next thing he took me to he said he was going to take me to a life review And you and your audience - have probably heard that before And it was - this rectangle building And we went inside - - and it was a round room really - large round room - And on the top - were these - screens like movie screens all in a circle around the top - And he said

this is your life review And all of a sudden the screens lit up like they were playing movies - like I was in a theater And every screen that I could see had a different aspect of my life One was playing when I was - just a newborn Another one was playing when I was an infant Another one was playing when I started elementary school And it went all the way through these Every screen had a different aspect of my life up to the age that I was then age 21 And that was a life

review - And what you do in a life review the whole idea - is - to see if you accomplished - what you wanted to accomplish before you came into life Because none of us are accidents None of it's random We all actually plan our lifetimes and I'll get to that in just a little bit too So that was the life review The next thing he took me to - was kind of a square building again it had marble columns on the outside And this part - - was really hard for me to digest because

I was raised Catholic But he took me to a building it looked like a theater just like the last one in the life review But this one had - one screen like what our movie theaters look like And what he was showing me - was - - past lifetimes And this was really hard for me to accept because I had never been raised that way But we actually do - have past lifetimes - because we're eternal beings You can have as many lives - as you want to So anyway he wanted to show me three

different lifetimes so that I would be able to tell people when I came back that - just like your audience life past lifetimes really are real And you learn from them just like you learn in this life - Well he showed me three of them And one I was a monk and I had a shaved head - I was probably in my sixty s I was wearing a red kind of a gown And my job - in that life was to teach kids - about the monastery kind of like being a buddhist monk The next

life he showed me was I was a shoe peddler in this village and I had a wheelbarrow and it was full of shoes And my job in that life was I fixed people's shoes and I would fix them take them back to my little shop fix them and bring them back to the people The other life he showed me was - a fisherman I had a little raggedy boat and I was on a lake and I had a net - And my job in that life was to help the village with food by bringing in

fish So that whole episode was to just show me that - - past lifetimes are real because we are infinite beings There's no - end to knowledge there's no end to learning And you learn - for your entire existence And one of the things that I thought was so interesting - - is that we come into life because - we want to experience hardship because that's where we learn Not all the time do we come into experience hardship But - if you didn't want to experience anything you would stay on the other side - and

you still learn that way But it's like trying to describe to somebody - what it's like to ride a bike You really can't describe what it's like And they have to actually do it And once they do it then they get it And that's kind of like why we come in here to learn So we do have - a lot of different past lifetimes The next place he took me to this one was a little bit different All of these buildings - were just enormous I can't even describe to - iterate how large they were

but they were all just enormous - And this one - was round - It was round and it had the marble columns going around in a circle and it had a dome roof And we walked in - and he took me to a marble table and - the table had two scrolls on it - And if you could imagine what papyrus scrolls look like they look kind of like that - They were rolled up and there were two One had a blue ribbon and the other had a red ribbon I don't know what the significance

was of that So I picked up the one with the blue ribbon I unwrapped it and I - unfolded it on the table - - and immediately I could see all of this writing and it was in black lettering and - - it looked like it was in calligraphy You know how you would take those pens and you dip them in ink and then you write with that That's what calligraphy is It looked like that - Well when I went to try to read it it folded up again And I was told that I wasn't

able to read about my life because it might interfere with what I was going to accomplish in this life And what they wanted me to learn and to share was that our lifetimes - really are planned out We plan what country we're going to live in We plan what language we're going to learn who our parents are are we going to go to college or not What kind of career are we going to have All of that stuff goes into it as well as - what we wanted to learn and accomplish and what our goals

were And that's what the life review was to show you that - you really do have goals - and you want to see how you did everybody - has these Scrolls and they're all kept - - in this beautiful round building - And I don't know why but - we always go to this building - to plan our next lifetime And our guides help us Our guides help us plan - what we want to accomplish Do you want to learn more about compassion - Do you want to - learn more about love Or - These

are the main themes that people have when they come into a life What do you want to accomplish And you plan them in this huge building Well when I looked to my left there was this enormous - window - and - I looked out and I could see and this is the first time that I saw a bunch of other people a bunch of people were walking back and forth along this walkway And wherever he took me to on the other side it was really busy There were tons of people - walking back and forth

And - - every race was there every ethnicity every color - People were short Some people were tall They looked just like we do And what I noticed immediately was that - everybody had bodies Some people that I've read about say that - we only are like - energy that we float around But that's not what my experience was like I saw everybody - just like you see people they look just like us Their bodies are different - Their bodies are somehow they're better than our earthly bodies - They're stronger they're lighter They don't get

sick they don't age And - I don't know what they're made of but they are as solid as we are So I saw them walking back and forth and one of the most beautiful things I saw was there was a lake on the other side of - this building It was absolutely the most beautiful lake I'd ever seen - It was - - so steel it looked like glass And all around - this lake they had - weeping willow trees - You know those trees that have the weeping willows that hang over - all the

leaves were just sitting in the water It was just gorgeous A - picture perfect then he took me to another place inside this building And they wanted me to tell people about this You've probably heard the term - soulmates Soulmates are actually real When we were created God created all of us - with a perfect mate - who was with us for eternity But - the perfect mate that we have on the other side - - doesn't always come into a lifetime with us Because one of the things that - you learn in a lifetime

you learn from having relationships whether it's a girlfriend boyfriend marriage whatever it might be you learn a lot And if I look back in my life most of the things that I learned - came from experiences that were kind of painful but that taught me a lot - And on the other side when you have your perfect mate you don't always necessarily learn a whole lot that way So becoming to life normally without our soulmates And here was a really cool thing This building if you could imagine a gigantic enormous library - of encyclopedia Britannicas

All these books were on bookshelves and they were all the same color kind of like maroon kind of purplish maroon And each one had gold lettering - that wasn't going horizontal it was going down And what my guide took me to - was my soulmate's book And the books contain everything about our lifetimes All of our past lifetimes what we learned who we became everything is in these encyclopedias And the writing goes down up and down - And my - writing said Nina And it was Nina My soulmate's name is Nina And he just wanted

to show me that everybody has one - So - don't always be so concerned about trying to find your soulmate in life - because many times you won't - because that person is still on the other side So that was this building It was absolutely just a gorgeous building - and - just beautiful The next place he took me to - was - a stadium just like a football stadium or - a soccer stadium we go to see a sporting event He took me to the inside The inside - - had - thousands of seats

just thousands of seats that people could sit in But when I was there it was completely empty - Nothing was in there at all - - just the seats And my guide well there was a gentleman behind me and his job - on the other side - was to run this building Do you remember when you were a kid you used to go to - the planetarium Remember what those were - Of course yeah Where I was in a planetarium - on the other side - But - it was huge humongous just gigantic - And

the gentleman behind me he ran this planetarium - and he said let's begin So the lights went off pitch black and I sat down and he started showing me - on the ceiling - What he said to me was the first thing he said was - - when you look at the stars this is what you see And what he was referring to - was people on Earth people's perspective here - When we look at the stars this is what we see - And he started showing - our solar system started showing the planet Jupiter

then - Saturn then Uranus then Neptune all of our solar system including Earth and our sun Then he said to me - - when we look at the stars this is what we see And what he was referring to was everybody is on the other side their perspective And he said when we look at the stars this is what we see And he started showing me - first planet after planet then - dozens of planets then hundreds thousands then millions and millions of planets And he told me there is far more life in the universe

than you possibly know And the cool part is that - earth is not the only planet There are millions of planets - And not just that but we can have lifetimes - on any of them - - There are - on earth We've always thought that earth is the only inhabited planet but - it's not And we can have - lifetimes on other planets - all over the universe So that absolutely blew my mind - I love astronomy - In fact I love it so much I tried to take an astronomy class in college but

I had to drop it because I could not understand the math It was - trying to calculate distances from stars It was just too hard for me But I love astronomy and - that was just such an extraordinary I think that was one of my favorite parts of my whole experience was that planetarium The next thing you took me to this building was a little bit different Again it was - a rectangle and - it was so - long again I couldn't see the end of it But it was the biggest building so far and

it didn't have columns on the outside It only had columns these marble white columns on the front And - it looked like - our supreme court building in Washington It looked like that with the columns in the front - And it had a whole bunch of steps leading up to the top - Again everything was white beautiful - marble So he takes me inside and it's a library - and there's huge - - 30 maybe 30 40 foot bookcases - full of books all the way down as far as you could see And again it

was full of people People were studying at these different tables People were talking to each other There were people looking for books and - just a huge library And he took me to an area on the left hand side of the library And - what they looked like it was like looking rooms that you can study Study rooms off every lot You know how libraries today have study rooms That's kind of what they looked like maybe the size of a person's average bedroom I walked over - and I looked in and there was a woman

- who was She had her back to me - She had jet black hair down to her waist and she was wearing like a purple gown or a purple - robe of some kind And - she was looking at - what we would call today - as a really big flat screen tv - mounted on the wall And - my guide said - she was watching history So I looked at what she was watching and she was watching a battle - that took place between - the native American Indians the Plains tribes like the Lakota

- versus the US cavalry And he said she was watching this as it happened And I thought to myself - - how is that possible Because - nobody had - video cameras 200 years ago How could she be watching something that - had happened - And he told me everything - is recorded and - - this has to be a God thing also because - I cannot comprehend how it's possible that everything is recorded - - but it is That's why when we have our life reviews you're able to see everything about your life -

It's somehow in God's mind It's recorded Well can I stop you for a second because - you said something very interesting You said that she was watching it as it was happening but that was the past Yeah let me back up It wasn't like she was watching it as it happened Now - she was watching it - as history happened So - she was basically watching - a documentary of past - event in your current timeline in a time period that was not capable of having any footage recorded Absolutely That's exactly correct Yes exactly So

what I learned is that - anything that you want to learn about whether it's a battle or someone in World War II or - the Titanic sinking anything that you want to learn about you can go to these rooms off the library and you can watch history - as it really happened I think all of us are hardwired - to want to learn So the place that he took me to - was a place that people learn They come to learn to experience and to grow And what's so cool about the other side - is

that - - anything you love to do on earth you can do there - You can swim you can hike you can go to music festivals you can - paint you can write - Anything that you love to do you still do over there That was just the most extraordinary part for me Well let me ask you a question because - everything you've been talking about in your experience so far has very earthly ties meaning that - obviously everything from the buildings to what you're talking about now it's all - earthly based We have all

reference points to all of this So my question to you is are the things on earth built - like things on the other side or is it vice versa because you are coming from earth and everything was constructed for you - to be more comfortable and kind of customized for you and your experience Or are we just inspired like you said books and libraries these are all things that we eventually designed here or - - given that information here and auditoriums and screens and all this kind of stuff So is it the chicken or the

egg - What came first In a sense that's a great question - - From what I was told everything - that's on the earth now - was on the other side first The idea of the pyramids - was from the other side The idea of these beautiful greek roman buildings The architecture was so beautiful - that the inspiration came from the other side It was over there first And I'll mention that to you in a couple of minutes Something else that happened Okay so that was the library Here's the part that - I think will

answer your question better He took me to - a castle - - and he castled just like in medieval Europe They were built out of stone - Beautiful gorgeous stone It was perfectly cut just like the castles were back then huge And he told me to walk inside So I walked inside and - immediately there was a - gorgeous red ornate carpet - on the floor of the castle - and huge walls on my right and my left And there were - life size paintings - of - kings and queens and - people of royalty

- who had lived in that castle And there were life size paintings of what they looked like and also what they wore And - in front of every single - painting there was a podium and on the podium - was a book And what it was - - was that person's life was in that book And the reason - this castle existed And there were - many many castles there because they were on earth So what was on earth is also replicated on the other side And so if you wanted to learn about a particular

time in earth's history not only could you go to libraries but you could also go to places like this where you could see the structures - of what it was like on earth And - - the book that was on each one of these podiums - contained that person's life everything about that person's life So if you wanted to learn about - King George for example you could go You could go in his castles You could see what he looked like what the clothing was like and then you could read about them - and something

else You know how a lot of these castles had those round stairwells that took you to the second floor This castle had that too And right about then there was a woman - that started walking down the staircase She had strawberry blonde hair and she was wearing kind of a peach colored gown or a tunic Something else that I forgot to mention Everybody - dresses however they want but a lot of people like to wear gowns in tunics - because - they're the most comfortable they said but people wear jeans and t shirts whatever you

want to wear So she walks down - - and - she walks up to me - and she says can I help you find anything And Alex I still to this day kick myself because of what I said to her Here I was on the other side I'm supposed to be having surgery What is going on - Well instead of asking her that you know what I - - said Oh no thanks I'm just looking You're not in a Walmart man Yeah exactly - That's exactly - - What in the world did I say that

for I could have asked her didn't I I didn't know what to say - Well my guide told me that you know how - people have jobs on earth because they need to pay bills They've got mortgage rent utilities - We all have to have money and we go to jobs Well the other side doesn't have that kind of economics They work at things they love to do - And this girl what she loved was this particular era of earth's history She was what we would call a scholar So if you wanted to learn about

this particular - - time period on earth you could go to these castles - and read about or experience what it was like Or you can go to these viewing rooms that were in the library or you can go and talk to someone like her who was an expert on that era of history So - that was just phenomenal Anything you want to learn Yeah But let me ask you this And again from talking to so many near death experiencers and even spiritual - - masters and gurus about spirituality and ancient texts and things like

that the concept I heard was - that there is a universal knowledge - - that people can tap into The universal knowledge like the library you were saying with everyone's lives Sounds like the Akashic records in a physical form in one way shape or form But we have the ability on the other side - to tap into any - information we might want or need to - or interested in Kind of like - quantum physics Oh here's quantum physics Let me explain everything to you And you'll go oh you couldn't articulate it but you understood

it all - if someone explained it to you on the other side So it kind of is interesting What you're saying is like I'm not sure how that meshes with what you're saying So have you talked or heard about that or what's your feelings on that I had never heard - the term at Kishuk records before but one time I was at an event and we were talking about - that library that I saw And - I got the impression that everything you would ever want to learn study read about was inside that library -

And this person told me it sounds like you were inside the akishic records And the only thing that I can equate that with is - that's God's knowledge Everything was there - Everything was in that building But I don't know about a universal knowledge because all the other planets - - have their own evolutionary scheme also just like Earth So I don't know if that library held - all the information about the other worlds or was that only about - life on Earth So - I don't know That's a really good question I don't know

It's interesting Yeah Because it's not like - when I've heard these concepts of universal knowledge they can access universal knowledge but it's always in regards to the earthly realm I've never heard anyone say oh do you want that advanced spaceship on planet B 75 here I've never heard that before but I was just curious about - that idea because again everything that you're saying is very Earth like in its experience - And the way that was - one of my biggest questions I always ask for people that go to the other side is like what

do you do Is there bars Do they hang out between lives - Are there dances And you're saying no you do whatever you want You can go to music festivals So when you said music festivals I'm like so you mean to tell me there's concerts with Jimmy Hendrix Jimmy Hendrix I mean it's a hell of a Woodstock going on on the other side And then Mozart and Beethoven are there as And what they told me was like it's like a harry potter experience for adults or it's a paradise It really is an absolute paradise And

- there are a lot of people - - who don't want to come here because coming here is just so much different than what it's like on the other side But people want to learn to They want to learn they want to grow and so they do choose to come into lifetimes and I cannot wait to get back - because you know who I want to meet I want to meet Bruce Lee Of course I did a lot of martial arts a lot of karate I would just love to meet him And he said something

- that I have in one of my journals He said there are no limits only obstacles - I thought wow I - absolutely love that And - there are just a lot of people I want to meet I just can't wait to get back Here's the last part My guide - took me to - a field and if you can imagine - the most gorgeous beautiful - wildflower field you've ever seen - - Golden hills flowers I mean just beautiful - - So he took me there and then he left - My guide left and

I was just standing there by myself and all of a sudden a man showed up - in front of me and I could see his hair He had brown hair - I could see his hands I could see that he was wearing a - white robe - or a white tunic - with a golden sash around the waist and he had gold colored sandals on - that - laced up his calves And - he was different - than everybody else - because I couldn't see his face There was so much - - light or -

energy - coming from him - that I couldn't make out what he looked like And - my mind said to me or somebody said to me this is Jesus And he spoke to me and he said you must tell them - there is no death And - right after he said that I woke up back in the hospital and everybody was looking down at me You know how they look at you when you're what happened to this guy And I said - to the surgeon I said what just happened Because I was trying to see

if he could explain to me - - where I was what just happened to me - And that's when I found out that I died - He said we lost you We lost you for seven minutes And I couldn't believe it was only seven minutes - because - it seemed like it was - - an hour or more that I had this experience And one thing I want to tell people that - - more than anything I want people to know that there is tremendous hope that - because you lost somebody you lost a friend

or God forbid you lose a child or you lose a spouse they're not really gone They're just in another place that we can't get to yet - - but that - - in the end when your lifetime is finished you go back And the strangest thing is that - - when you get back - and you're with your loved ones again it's like no time had passed Because on the other side there's no such thing as time - like we have here And I don't know how to explain that any better But - - a

lifetime for them - - is like a month or two - - whereas for us a lifetime can be - 80 90 - years or more - So for them - - when they leave they do grieve for us but it's not the same as we grieve for them because from their perspective we're going to be back in just a short while So that was my experience That was my whole near death experience And I just want your audience to know that there's hope - and there's so much more to look forward to so much

more than what we know - and God is real Now I want to go back for a second When you were in your life review room did you feel - the perspectives of both yourself and somebody else during that experience Or was it you know what I don't think there was enough time - - for them to - show me that But - I know that - as part of your life review you feel what other people - feel Like if you hurt somebody - - you feel what that person felt But I didn't actually

experience that I don't know why I think maybe because I didn't have the opportunity - to have a whole life review They just wanted to show me that - people do have Life reviews that they're real But each one of these places he took me to it just seemed like it happened so quickly that there wasn't enough time They just wanted to show me you have to tell people what this is Tell them that this happens Tell them that this is real Tell them that Because this experience it wasn't for me - It was for

me to share - it - So that's what I've been doing ever since So I have to ask you then You're 21 in the guess so - Near death experiences are all the rage Everyone's talking about them in that time period I'm being facetious Nobody is And if you say something like this publicly you're pretty much this guy's a loon So - what did you do with this information When did you decide to come out of the closet if you will And then when you did what did your parents and - friends - and -

colleagues what did they think about this That's a great question It took me the better part of a day and a half - before - - I realized what had happened And it was my mom I told my mom what happened because - I still at that time had no idea - I was very catholic and - I just didn't know what had happened And she gave me a book And I'm sure you've heard of this author named Raymond Moody He wrote a book called Life after Life that was published in 1975 And I read

through that a lot of it and I realized oh my gosh this is what really happened I made the - decision to start sharing my story shortly thereafter But I got to tell you for two months afterwards after I realized - where I was - - I went through a horrible suicidal depression For two months It was so bad I wouldn't get out of bed because I could not believe that I would have to be here on this planet - for another many years before it was my time to cross over I just didn't see

how could I make it here what life is really like back home And that took me a couple of months to realize oh my gosh John how are you going to do that when I realized that - jesus told me he didn't say you know what John I would like you to go ahead and do this Do you think you can do this with your lifetime He didn't say that He said you must tell them there is no death So right away I started telling people anybody that would listen And I think for a long

time I just took it for granted - that what I saw But when I tell people that's when I start to realize you know what John You really did have - - a pretty remarkable experience A lot of people's near death experiences aren't that detailed So - it wasn't for me It was for me to share it And I don't know why they did that for me - I still don't know because - I'm not Oprah I'm not you I don't have a podcast I don't even have a website - - I don't have anything

like that So if they wanted to get this message out why wouldn't they tell someone who had a huge audience So I don't know I just try to share it whenever I can And now that - my story is a little bit more public I have the ability to - share it with others And hopefully - my experience - - gives them the kind of hope - that it gave me - that there was so much more God really exists He really and truly loves us And here's something else that - I don't know how

to explain either It's just a God thing but on the other side you can feel - - how much God loves you - and how much he cherishes you on earth - We don't feel that It's somehow like I don't know if we're - too far away or what it is but - we just don't feel it here - - So on the other side I can't wait to get back and experience that So all I've been doing - in my life is trying to share it to anybody who listen it sounds to me that

obviously this was planned You planned this - prior to coming out You're like okay you're going to die at 21 You're going to get this thing This is part of your life plan as it goes At least it makes sense That's the case Yeah but you're right in the sense that this was not for you it was for others to hear because every near death experience - I've heard - had a personal touch to it meaning you've gone off track You need to come back on track You can leave Do you want to leave Do

you want to stay There's things that you got to work out Some people created a hell - because she was Catholic and she had to go down and go through that and get saved There's so many things It's all personal Yours is not personal at all You basically took a tour of heaven and they're like take some notes you're going to go back - This is basically why you're here And it didn't seem like there was nothing personal about your experience which is not a bad thing It's just very unique - in the near death

experience Before I forget I want to tell your audience one more thing This - - just made me want to cry All of our animals - make the transition just like we do And when we get back they're all there and we never have to lose them again All of your animals your cats your dogs whatever animals you had they're there And that was something I thought was just extraordinary I've heard that as well from others - Now one thing I wanted to ask you Maybe you have the answer to this maybe you don't But

you were saying that everyone's if you want to learn you can evolve on that side It's just slower - And - again I've heard that from multiple people spiritual gurus and near death experiencers who say that you can learn on the other side but it's kind of like you can't really know what swimming is until you jump into the water I can tell you all about swimming but jumping in you got to jump in and swim And I heard one near death experiencer it was actually a pre birth experiencer So he actually remembers his rebirth

like the set up to going into his life like the whole - laying out the plan or the whole thing And he said that he remembers himself as a soul - running into another soul - and saying holy God what are you doing Kind of like you met somebody who went to the gym a lot He's like my God you look amazing How'd you lose all that weight What are you doing And the other soul said oh I went to earth - And he's like man I want that Where can I sign up to go

down to earth - He's like it ain't easy brother so make sure you be careful what you earth But you can learn a lot when you're down there And that's how he started one of the memories he had from past lives So it was really interesting now but you're saying on the other side you can learn and grow and if you're interested in stuff but you really evolve down here From - - my - studies in ancient - vedic texts and things like that and yogic philosophies where you evolve to a certain place like Jesus

or Buddha or ascended masters - get to a certain place Is that the point of being on the other side or you have to come down here to obviously ramp up and supercharge your evolution when you're down on Earth or in any physical experience But Earth is the biggest apparently the Yale and Harvard - of this experience Do people want to evolve past a certain place or they just want to just chill and enjoy paradise Yeah that's a great question - People they don't have to have - a lifetime if they don't want to All

of it is - completely and totally up to them - Nobody has to have a life anywhere In fact what they told me was that there are many - who haven't incarnated on Earth but they have gone to other planets but you don't have to In the place that he took me to it was almost like being on a college campus You know how all the buildings are in one area on a campus That was kind of like what my experience felt like You had this building where you did this You had this building where

you did that You have this room where's Where the library is This is where the planetarium is But yeah nobody has to - come in if they don't want to It's just a matter of experience What I've learned in my life and I think this is why people choose to come here is you really do learn the most - when you go through something painful And I think have I ever learned anything - when everything was going perfect You probably still learn - - But - if you go through something you go through a divorce

or you have a breakup or you lose a job or you lose a family member that's horrible But when you get to the other side of the grief you've become more than what you were before and you can take that knowledge with you There was - - a great quote that I just love from Denzel Washington - And he said you'll never see a hearse or you'll never see a u haul behind a hearse Yeah I say that - - and I just love that Because no matter what you have in your life whether it's

- money or things or possessions none of that You don't take anything with you - The only thing you take with you is the love the knowledge the learning and that stays with you - So I just thought it is worth it to come into life to learn And - once you get on the other side of the grief you've become more and - that's the purpose for it Did your parents and your friends when you started talking like this what happened Did they accept it Did they not accept it To this day I still

haven't told my dad but my mom I'm assuming he knows you're public at this point He might - I don't know but I know that he wouldn't believe it Sure because - he is such a staunch Catholic And that's fine Maybe one day - - I'll be able to share it with him - - He's not at a point now where Because he still goes to church He goes to catholic church probably two or three times a week still And then on Sunday sure But - my mom knows all about it People I have told

- - a lot of people will tell me that there's no reason why they don't believe my story but there are a lot of people who don't A lot of people say it can't be as good as you portrayed it And I tell people it's better It's so much better than - how I can describe it I don't even have the words to describe what it was really like - But most people what happens after death - It's the number one human fear - is dying I think The two number or the two Public speaking

Public speaking yes exactly Public speaking is number one actually And then there's a fear of dying Yeah exactly So I think a lot of people it's something that they think about - what happens when we die - So my story I just always shared it And most people - are really open to it because they want to know too what happens Ever since I opened up this channel and I've started talking to - souls like yourself - and all the other people that I have on the show people are super curious and more so now

than they were in the in the 90s There's so much more openness about - in the Was basically Shirley McClain talking about near death experiences And - - pretty much she's the whack job She's the Hollywood whack job is what they were calling her back then She took a big leap doing that for a lot of people and kind of brought it into And then Oprah did a whole lot of work on bringing near death experiencers and channelers and mediums these ideas that were really - taboo almost And now - people not only - are

curious about it they're searching - for these shows they're searching to hear it And - really interesting thing about what you said about your father the ideas that he has - basically built His entire story that he's told himself is the foundation of his entire existence If he would even entertain the idea of what you're saying it would destroy the foundation that he has built his entire life on Would be so - - difficult for a human being to deal with especially at an older age It's so - much harder And that's where - -

when people - - comment or things like that - - on episodes that I do it's like when you challenge their belief system - - it's their foundation the story they've told themselves to make sense of the world And it could be religion it could be politics it could be eating meat it could be Mac or PC it could be anything - And that's why I don't know if you're a Mac or a PC guy but my God people get really like PC is the way Mac is the way and they go because it's the

foundation of their it's one of the pillars of their foundation for whatever reason It's fascinating But a lot of people listening I want them to understand that that if people around them don't get it that's the reason why Yeah I agree 100% agree - And I think my dad is he's an old marine - and he is very set in his ways In fact he always encourages me - to go to the catholic church He's always telling me that why don't you go back to - catholic church So I know that he wouldn't be open

to it yet but I'm hoping one day maybe I'll be able to share it with It'S everyone's on their own path my friend Everybody is on their own path and everyone's you know and what's really fascinating I'm I'm sure you I don't know if you've run into this or not but - people who even disagree with you a seed is planted It seeds planted and it might not flourish in this life or it could - five or ten years later because it starts to question - - like you and I had the same I mean

I was raised Catholic so I'm recovering Catholic And - - these same questions I had that didn't make sense The fearful God the 30 years of what happened to Jesus born yada yada yada he's the savior - - Yeah What happened in that yada yada yada These basic understandings - were questions that I had And all those little questions started those little seeds Eventually they overtook the garden And I was like this doesn't make any sense for me anymore Now I need to find a new - foundational system that rings true - to and for

everyone listening as - you John you don't have a book you don't have a website you don't have If anything you're putting yourself out there - essentially to be ridiculed for no other reason than you just really want to share your story And that's what I find so beautiful and authentic about it is that you truly have nothing to gain from this That's true Yeah You really don't I mean if anything you open yourself up to ridicule and other things like that and attacks but you want to just share your story with people and give

people hope - and understanding about what happens on the other side So I do really appreciate you doing it my friend I am so thankful that you guys selected me to come on your show I've had such a great time And Alex you are great at this - You are so good at this You have great questions and your stories are wonderful And thank you so much for inviting me I appreciate it Now I'm going to ask you a few questions I ask all my guests Sure What is your definition of living a good life

- You know what I think living a good life - has to do with - having family in your life Because I've learned that - material things materialism none of that is important The only thing that is important is the love you have with people trying to make a difference with your life trying to help people as much as you can and being there for other people The part about having pain not only is pain teaching you but you also have the opportunity to share it with others to teach people what you have learned from

your pain to help make their lives a little bit easier - So that's how I would answer that How do you define God That's a great question - And when I was on the other side - - there absolutely is a God and the native Americans call him the great spirit And I think that's how I would define it too He's absolutely there We were all created by God - in one spark of creation - So he's definitely there And - God is - The only emotion that I can really explain - - is that

he is all love God is all love and he wants the best for us - And - he created the other side our home with an absolute paradise - but also created - - the whole dynamic - of being able to come into a lifetime - and to experience things that you can't experience on the other side So he's all about - love all about - experience all about learning and - - he's just this ever present And on the other side you feel this tremendous sense of love - and safety - and - peace

That's why it was so hard for me to come back from that because I wanted to be back there - I didn't want to be here anymore I got the sense that I had to share my story because of what they told me But that's how I would define God Just a beautiful - - entity - that is truly our father And what is the ultimate purpose of life I think - the ultimate purpose of life is to to stand for something develop your gift - Because I truly believe - that - God gave us

all gifts and that our job is to develop those gifts - and then give it away I always think of Pablo Picasso the artist He said something that I've never forgotten - He said the meaning of life - is to find your gift and the purpose of life is to give it away So I think - - just based on that I - agree with them 100% - Find your gift develop it share it with the world - - and - make the world a better place for you having been in it And do you

have any parting messages for the audience I think the biggest thing I want people to - - take away that there is tremendous tremendous hope No matter how hard your life gets - - no matter how many experiences you have even when you think that you've reached the end of your rope just tie a knot and hold on - - Because it's going to get better It always gets better And - let the knowledge of God and the other side - give you strength Give you courage to keep plugging along Because when you finish this

lifetime - and you get back it's like surviving a war And you will be so proud of yourself - for what you accomplished and what you achieved So stick it out Don't give up - Give it everything you've got the hope is just boundless There was - - a quote that I liked too by Admiral William McRaven - You've probably heard of him - And he said the belief that tomorrow is going to be better and it will be knowing about the other side knowing about how beautiful it is that that's our home that that

will give you courage - to keep facing each and every day - and moving forward And on that note my friend I appreciate you - coming on the show sharing your knowledge and doing the good work that you've been doing all these years since you had your near death experience - Again I appreciate you so so much for coming on the show my friend Thank you again thank you so much for having me Alex I had a great time Thank you Samuel