What Your Anxiety Is Trying to Tell You | Tour Stop: San Diego

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This is a clip from Dr. Jordan Peterson's tour stop in San Diego. In it he explores how anxiety is a...
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so imagine you have a goal in mind you want to get to work in the morning I used to ask my students question like this is like what maybe they're going to write an essay why are you writing the essay why are you in class I'm in class because I uh I need to I need this class because I it's part of my major why why did you why did you pick a major like that well I'm interested in psychology well why did you come to get a degree well um I think I need a
degree to get a job well why do you need a job well I need a job to keep Body and Soul together and maybe to be productive and maybe to you know establish a name for myself and why do you want to do that well because you know it's it's part and parcel of living properly and why do you want to live properly and well then and how would you live if you live properly and at that point people are usually unable to answer you know because you can just push people with questions about why
until they run out of explanations but the point is is that you're always doing whatever you're doing because what you're doing is nested in a sequence of goal directed actions and those can be more or less sophisticated if you're not very sophisticated at all you the nesting might be like two structures deep you know maybe you're uh I don't know you're bored and you want to go get drunk you know and why well because you don't want to be bored and and and if someone pushes you a little farther than that you just you hit
them and you know you don't you don't want to delve into it but if you're sophisticated you have a pretty good high hierarchy of of of of answers so you might say well why why do you want to be a productive in generous Citizen and and and like I said people usually bought them out there but you could say well that's part of reciprocal altruism and if I'm productive and generous then that'll encourage other people to be productive and generous and if we're all prodive I and generous together then there'll be more for everyone and
we'll all get along better and we'll get along for a longer period of time and that'll make us all more stable and that or make our societies better and then you might say what why is that relevant you might say well because the alternative to that is something like a descent into something approximating hell and so that's part of a reflection of the divine order and the eternal battle between good and evil and then you could push it farther than that and you could say well are you going to be on the side of the
Redemptive hero are you going to be side on the side of the Eternal adversary like you can keep digging down farther and farther and the farther down you dig you the more you get down into what you might describe as the implicit religious substrate and uh and it's very much useful to know that and to make as much of that conscious as possible so now imagine that you've uh you've come to this talk tonight because you've decided to aim up and maybe you haven't formulated that precisely explicitly but something is driving you in this direction
and then you come to the talk and you find out that I'm talking about something that isn't what you expected and it doesn't seem to be moving you along on your pathway forward to that end what's going to happen is you're going to be disappointed and you might be anxious too you're going to be disappointed because disappointment signals that you're experiencing something that's not relevant to the goal that you are attempting to pursue and that might in fact be interfering with it that's what negative emotion does and maybe if you're disappointed in what I say
that also makes you anxious because you assume that you would come here and I would say something relevant because you assumed that you knew who I was and then it turned out that I didn't and then you don't know who I am and then you don't know what you're doing here and then you get anxious and the reason you get anxious is because that's what anxiety is four it tells you when the pathway to your goal has been disrupted so multiple Pathways have now emerged so imagine you're driving your car to work and it quits
and what happens is you get anxious and the reason you get anxious is because well you were beadling along quite nicely in your world and everything was reduced to like a unidimensional Simplicity you weren't in a car as an object you were in a thing that took you to where you wanted to go and it was just doing what it was supposed to be doing tracking you along the pathway to your goal and then it fails and you're off on the side of the road and you get anxious because how the hell are you going
to get to work and what if you don't get to work and is your boss not going to be very happy with you and maybe this is the third mistake you've made this week and what if you get fired and weren't you an idiot for buying this car maybe you shouldn't have a car at all maybe you should have walk to work and you know maybe you should take a bicycle because after all that would save the planet and you know and maybe now you have to take your car to a mechanic but the last
time you went to the mechanic you got ripped off cuz you're too stupid about vehicles to manage one and you're kind of stupid about technology in general and aren't you stupid and maybe you're too stupid and isn't your wife going to that's anxiety right and that's the emergence of a multiplicity of Pathways right and so what anxiety signifies is the degeneration of a an attentional hierarchy into multiplicity and the reason you get anxious and it feels bad is because now your body can't compute how much energy you have to put out in order to get
to your goal and so you you can't organize the world you're you're you're apt to use more resources then you'll replenish and if you continue to do that then you'll die and so anxiety is a signal that complexity has reemerged chaos that's the Eternal Dragon of chaos chaos has reemerged because your narrative has collapsed and so so that's negative emotion that's what negative emotion signifies is that it's the it's the collapse of an organizing narrative and so that's very interesting to know so you feel positive if I walk on the stage and I see I
know I'm supposed to go to the front of the stage say and the reason I want to do that is because I know I have to talk to you and that's NE and I want to talk to you because I think it's valuable to talk to you Etc that's nested in a hierarchy of value and if I see a clear pathway to the front of the stage then that actually produces positive emotion and that positive emotion impels me forward because positive emotion does impel you forward that's what it's for that's how positive emotion is linked
to action so if you're enthusiastic you're enthusiastic because you can see a pathway forward to a valued goal and that enthusiasm manifests itself this is true even neurochemically it manifest test itself as positive motivation to move forward and not only that if you're moving forward and it's working your brain tracks the fact that it's working and then that's linked to dopamine release by the way which is what cocaine releases um it's linked to dopamine release and the other thing your brain is doing even when you're just walking to where you want to go if you're
successfully walking there your brain tracks what you're doing there's circuits that are activated while you're doing it and if what you're doing results in the result you desired then the dopamine floods those little neurons that are active and makes them grow and and flourish and so as you practice something that's working the circuit that is activated as you're practicing is bathed in dopamine and that that makes it stronger and that feels good it's growth it's part of positive emotion and so the positive emotion moves you forward but also in encourages you to develop a habit
of that practice and so one of the things I would bloody well say is don't make a habit of pursuing things that aren't good for you because you build That Into You that's what happens if you become addicted to something you know you build a little monster inside you that's grown it's there it's it's after one goal uh despite everything else not a good outcome so now positive emotion also signals the fact that it's also an energy conservation observation so as I move forward towards my goal with each step I take it's going to take
less energy to get to the goal and so that means I'm that that the positive emotion signifies what would you say it signifies the increasing efficiency of Your Action As you move towards a goal so negative emotion signifies the fact that things have got too complex for you to to manage and positive emotion signifies that you're approaching your goal and becoming and that there's less Demand on energy output with every step forward and so that's emotion and that's pretty much worth knowing and then what happens when you're watching a movie is you you you infer
the goal of the protagonist or or the or the villain for that matter you infer the goal of the character that's being portrayed on the screen you adopt that goal as your own then you play out the emotions in your own body which mimics the structure that's that what would you call the character that's being portrayed on the screen and you live that all out inside you and that's also how you understand other people right you don't listen to someone and then figure out what they're saying and then infer what they're thinking that isn't how
it works what you do is you listen to someone until you figure out what they're up to as soon as you figure out what they're up to you can adopt that frame of reference as soon as you adopt that frame of reference you have the same emotions and that's what makes you United and so that's so interesting so then you think look there's 5,000 people in here if there were 5,000 chimpanzees you'd guys would be tearing each other into shreds cuz no one would be able to know what anyone else was up to but because
all of you are here paying attention to the same thing in the same way you have virtually identical emotional States and that means instantly your behavior is rendered predictable to one another and there's no difference between that and peace they're the same thing and so what that means is that one of the predicates of a civil productive and peaceful Society is that everyone inhabits the same narrative and you might say well we don't need the same narrative it's like yes we do because if we inhabit a different narrative then we're running emotionally in different directions
and we will not understand each other and we will run into conflict and that conflict can become deadly at at the drop of a hat and so it's it's a precondition for a civil society that everyone is united in the same narrative and then that begs the question right what is the narrative in so far as we're unified and another question which is what should the narrative be right now the postmodernists figured out that we look at the world through a story but they said they became their Mantra is they became skeptical of meta narratives
which are uniting narratives and that's all well and good to be skeptical about meta narratives but you run into the problem of internal disunion because if you don't have a uniting narrative then you're divided against yourself and you run into the problem of social disunity because if we're not looking at the same thing for the same reason then we can't get along and those are big problems now the way the postmodernists glided over that immense cataclysmic problem was to offer the proposition that the narrative that unites us is just one of power and oppression right
and that the fundamental motivation that guides first of all even your internal organization your own internal tyranny you know you're oppressing your ID or your natural self and then if you establish a relationship with someone like a marriage well that's just a manifestation of patriarchal oppression and if you organize a business relationship it's a relationship of mutual exploitation and so far and so on all the way up the political hierarchy all the way back into the past a more dismal view of human existence couldn't possibly be formulated and I always think about it as a
kind of implicit confession it's like so you think the world's all run by power do you okay I know what game you're playing and attempting to justify and it's completely bloody Preposterous because first of all if you tyrannize yourself you're going to be one miserable creature plus you're going to Rebel constantly as you already know I'm sure all of you have tried at one time or another in your life to force yourself to do something with a whip so to speak and what you in instantly find is that you're so condemned to be free that
you'll even resist your own tyranny right try telling yourself to do something and see if you do it I'm going to go to the gym that's New Year's I'm going to the gym three times a week two hours a day it's like no you're not you're going to last like 3 days and then you're going to find an excuse the rebellious part of you is going to find an excuse then you're not going to do it and it's a bloody mystery isn't it because you'd think you could tell yourself what to do because otherwise who
are you you know you're the part that told yourself what to do but you don't listen so what the hell's that part that's you that's for sure so you can't even tyrannize yourself with any efficiency and then if you're married men you're married try tyring your wife and and see how well that works and like it might work for 10 minutes but she's not as big as you but she's a lot sneakier and so and you have to wake up with her tomorrow morning and so even if you do win the fight which you won't
she's going to bloody well take it out on you the next day and no wonder and so you're bound in that relationship by the necessity of continual iterative interactions right and they have to be moderately peaceful or you're going to tear each other into shreds and if it's constant conflict you're both going to just exhaust yourself and die so how the hell is that going to work so it has to be at least mutually reinforcing and maybe if you really got it together well you could interact with each other in a way that improved your
interactions across time and maybe you're wise enough so that if you were on that track the way you would experience that in the moment would be as exactly the kind of relationship you'd want to have with someone and that would be something like the spirit of play and romantic love and that would be the manifestation of an instinct that orients you across time properly in a relationship in the moment and that's such a wonderful thing to know right that instinct for play and romantic love might be the voice of the wisest Instinct you have the
deepest orientation to meaning that you have you know because there's nothing more delightful in a marriage or in a family if you have children than to be able to engage in something like voluntary play and you know if you could have the world set up the way you would want it to if you had any sense wouldn't it be something if mostly what you did was something akin to play and that's equivalent Christ in the gospel says know that unless you become like a little child you'll never enter the kingdom of heaven and what does
that mean it it means to ReDiscover that intense immersion in life and that capacity for play that characterized us all as children that we can't maintain because we have to mature but that we could ReDiscover as adults if we were sufficiently wise and careful and so and then you know if you have friends it's like well you you tyrannize your friends well then you don't have friends you're just a bully with henchmen and as soon as you stumble they're going to stab you in the back cuz you surrounded yourself with Craven Psychopaths they're just going
to wait for the moment to take you out that's not a friendship obviously and if you're running a business and those of you who've run businesses who have a clue no this is true it's like what happens if you rip off your customers well you can get away with it once or twice but word gets around in no time flat and then you're just done and bitter and resentful because your idiot machinations didn't work but if you engage in fair trade and you're reliable and you deliver what you promised and you're half decently good to
your employees and the people that you work for then they're going to be pleased with you and they're going to come back and they're going to talk to their friends about how well you did and you're going to flourish and none of that's arbitrary you know that's all Guided by the manifestation of a certain form of attentional priority right you go to your customer's house maybe you're a plumber and the first thing you do is you listen to their damn problem and so at least you have enough sense to engage in dialogos right you you
you actually want to hear what the problem is and then you actually want to solve it and if if you do that with some diligence they're going to be pleased with you because they don't want sewage all over the rug and so your interests are aligned and if you offer what you promise then you're going to evoke positive emotion in them and quell their anxiety and that's exactly the service that you're offering and so that means you're acting out the proper story you're productive and generous and honest and there's nothing arbitrary about that as a
as a ethos that unites you internally and that also makes it possible for you to exist in a peaceful and productive Society [Music]
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