Why So Many Men Are Giving Up On Dating - Ex Pickup Artist Neil Strauss

are you familiar with LMS do you know what that is no Lux money status it makes sense okay so it's the uh triage priority list that a lot of guys in the black pillar movement rely on and say is most important Lux is most important then money then status for men yes for men what's your thoughts my thoughts is it's like it's a sad way to think it's a sad it's a sad way to think um and uh I I guess like I'm just I'm just kind of thinking out loud I got a bunch of

thoughts on the the stuff you're saying um but to speak back to your to speak back to your what what you were saying about what it's like to be someone I think like I think mostly we're all living in our own stories of what it's like and I think like if you choose to see the best in people you're going to notice the best behavior if you choose to see the worst in people you're going to notice the worst worst behavior and I think you're it starts with the eyes you're seeing the world through uh

and so down to looks money St is I think that I mean I think St would probably I think they got it wrong I think that I think that there there's um that and how would they Define status I guess I'll ask you I wouldn't be too sure I would guess something like popularity right um so I I would say it's high status behaviors and I mean I know this because I went and hacked it in the game right as a guy who is not that good-look um as a guy like who at least at

that time didn't didn't have any like you know wasn't someone recognized didn't have a lot didn't have status didn't have money didn't have looks didn't have Fame we realize and I also was a guy who once I wrote the game I had the people with the most looks the most money the most status calling me like this [ __ ] five6 big nose you know dude who keeps saying you know and can't even articulate a really clean sentence calling me advice the same [ __ ] I was thought I was alone dealing with they were

dealing with the same thing and I think it really goes down to like how how you your the story you tell yourself more than money looks and status and then how you reflect that story as a simple example I've seen a lot of people with money looks in status engage in low status behaviors meaning being insecure being doubtful not caring themselves well not speaking just always being worried about what others thinking about them and whatever they whatever whatever those gained for them they lost it there's a line there's like a trador poem that like that's

something about the when they were first sort of talking about making romance into art uh in that era that's like the eyes the eyes go forth to seek an image which they can then recommend to the heart and so I think the money looks in status like might get your foot in the door but after that it's who you are that enables you to stay in that door unless you're dealing with someone who has similarly low self-esteem right and is just out there looking for a Target who has those things because they've got their own

wounds they feel like that gives them safety let's go Sor go ahead just one of the interesting Reflections that a lot of friends who maybe in the early 2010s were trying to do game and pickup and Day game and stuff like that what they realized was they became quite disenchanted I think with the world of dating because they saw what they needed to do in order to be attractive to women and then realized the distance that that was from who they really were or what they thought they needed to do in order to be attractive

to women and realized that I can get what I want but what I want doesn't actually see me and that distance between the two of I'm having to tell them about the [ __ ] fight outside and do my Kino escalation and ignore the and do all the rest of the stuff that I think caused a lot of them to uh become very disenfranchised and disenchanted with the world of dating yeah I think I mean a couple couple thoughts and and to go back so again these are like the stories we we tell ourselves like

I think that there's a learning process and maybe you learn I if I look back on the game you know there's so many different issues around it negative and positive and everything else um but I see it as a lot of sort of neurod diversion people trying to learn how to socially interact including myself right and so so for me I needed those little I didn't know just tell me what to say and like how to angle my body I was so I was so uncomfortable around people and then once I learned it then I

could let it go the same way uh you learn anything which is sort of learning the rules and then throwing throwing them out y um so second I got three points to make but you're again these topics are so interesting right uh second thought is that another perspective on the on the LMS thing you said uh which which uh uh the second perspective is people don't know what they want so they might what they want are the things behind that so a way to think about uh for example he used to really hurt my self-esteem

when I read personal ads and everyone wanted a guy was six feet or and and taller how how how tall are you 510 okay that's great right I'm I'm I'm I'm 5'6 you know may 56 and a half at a stretch right and it took me a long time to realize it wasn't height they were looking for what they were looking for was safety I want it feel when they when maybe what is let's just say what does money represent money represents that some some degree of you know security competence uh and competence that was

the word I was looking for exactly competent so so if you look at the reasons underneath these and you embody the reasons underneath these which anybody can do the other stuff doesn't matter yeah I think that's where the sort of disenchantment came from which was not feeling like you had the actual Foundation realizing that you could create the glitzy sort of Mystique like you do not need to see how much money I have you do not need to see how much money I have and then going oh I can get what I want by pretending

to play this game and deep down I still don't feel like I'm worthy of it I don't think that they see me what they see is this Persona as soon as you're saying I don't want you to know how little money I have you're like the influencer we were talking about earlier who's promoting a vegan diet diet while eating meat for dinner you know you're you're creating a split in yourself um so here's the other thing you were talking about is I think these people you're talking about you know the like the concept of locus

of control like there's external locus of control and internal locus of control and I'm probably going to get these wrong so apolog apologies if I do um so the idea is like are the things that are happened to me the fault of others outside myself which is a nice thing to believe right it's just women are like that thus I'm opting out men are like that that's I'm just not dealing with that the world you know and so we're just saying we're creating this this it's everybody else's fault so I don't have to change I

can just hate on them right uh or B the way I am and the way I think you are is that like this is going on how can I do better how can I change how can I do better how can I understand how can I be empathic and like it's a lot more work but man Le you're a lot happier yeah I think the benefit from the cynic perspective the benefit of never trying is never having to fail the pain of failure yeah that's I came up with this idea called the cynicism safety blanket

which is basically that that's that's why it exists it's sour grapes at an existential level yeah and so I noticed myself if I ever start to and I don't even do this anymore because I stopped it like if I ever start thinking something negatively about someone who's successful and start comparing their work to mine and why M you know I just stop instantly and I just think you know what can I learn from that for myself and uh again most of your listeners I feel like are learning growth-minded people but I think we can understand

that there's certain people and I've come across them that if you're if somebody is doing better than you you can either try to do better or you can try to bring them down bring down to your level and that's like that's a split in the world but the people who try to bring them down are the loud voices right now correct in the culture correct in other news this episode is brought to you by ag1 90% of Americans are not getting the nutrients they need every day to be healthy everybody knows that food is always

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