I'm Working with OpenAI to Make Work Better for Humans w/ Arianna Huffington | EP #126

[Music] we have a healthc care crisis I think is the way that you put it it isn't just a US crisis it's a global crisis it's infinitely preventable and or reversible we are not going to change hearts and Minds through numbers we need to tell stories I wanted to do something more I wanted to help people change behaviors elevating these issues from the warm and fuzzy nice to have two kind of business imperatives we call them productivity multipliers what CEO wouldn't want to maintain productivity multipliers even when you're cutting budgets Ray's belief is that we

are going to merge with AI I completely disagree with you I think that human beings have a soul and AI doesn't everybody Welcome to moonshots on today's program I'm going to be interviewing an incredible female CEO a dear friend Ariana Huffington she is the founder and CEO of Thrive Global we'll be talking about how she's looking at revolutionizing the entire healthcare industry she was also the founder of Huffington Post which she started in 2005 leading to winning a Pulitzer Prize she sold that company to AOL in 2011 then went on to start th Thrive Global

in 2016 she's the author of 15 books thrive in the Sleep Revolution she's incredible and then went on to partner with Sam Alman and open AI to create Thrive AI Health by the way Arian Huffington is going to be with me on stage at my private event abundance 360 next march I usually don't open it up to the public but if you're interested I do Reserve five tickets for moonshot listeners if this is you and you want to talk to my team about it click on the link below or go to abundance 360.com all right

let's jump into the episode hi Ariana hi peteris you know this is going to be conducted in Greek right we're going to translate you know this podcast this moonshot podcast goes out in Portuguese and we're going to put it out this one in particular in Greek so we would have to translate that part but uh it's great to see you I'm in Santa Monica this moment yourself in New York and I'm in New York but as you know I spent quite a bit of time in LA I still have my home there how long have

we known each other now it's been a while H we met shortly after I launched the Huffington Post at a dinner that Larry and Sergey had for you in San Francisco and you invited me to join the board of XPR yeah so it must have been 2004 so Larry joined at the end of uh late 2004 which is probably one I invited you as well we had quite the board we had uh you and Larry uh Elon was on the board uh we brought Jim gianopoulos uh James Cameron had joined it was quite a rockar

the board grew like 25 people to the point where I couldn't call a board meeting anymore because it was impossible to get everybody's schedule lot it was crazy um but now man amazing great amazing board meetings yeah you know that this year Ariana is our 30th Anniversary so we've known each other for 20 years yes happy anniversary it's longer our friendship has lasted longer than my marriage lasted 11 years your marriage has been much more successful oh it's tough marriage is tough it's part of the stressors in our health but it's an important part of

our health as well yes um it's it's interesting this is our 30th Anniversary uh Ariana we've uh launched 30 x prises about close to 600 million in cash purses driving nearly $1 billion in R&D so um very proud of what we all created together it's been quite the journey I'm very proud of you it's been really incredible and I'm proud of you man you are quite the entrepreneur young lady uh it's amazing uh in your intro I was just noting all of the different successes you had and you know one of the things we're going

to get into health care how insane our Health Care system is how broken it is the importance of using Tech and AI to bolster us and what you're doing with thrive Global um but I want to hit something else you know a lot of our listeners around the world are entrepreneurs yes and we're so driven you know and in our early entrepreneurial careers you know you at at Huffington Post um myself at X prise and my other space Ventures where you're just you're just you know you've got this insane dream this moonshot you're going after

and you're will willing to work at it 247 and sacrifice everything to it relationships and health what advice do you have for entrepreneurs uh in that mind well my advice came from my own experience and from tons of Science and data you know two years into building The Huffington Post in 2017 I had bought into this Collective delusion as I call it that love that Collective delusion in order to be the Super founder and super mom of my two little girls I didn't have the luxury to take care of myself sleep to eat right exercise

Etc and I literally collapsed I HD my head on my desk broke my cheekbone and that was the beginning of my journey yeah to not just change my own behavior but become an evangelist about encouraging entrepreneurs and others to really look at the data and the science you know it's kind of ironic picture because as entrepreneurs we are very data driven we look at all the metrics And yet when it comes to the unequivocal science that we are going to be the most productive most creative versions of ourselves if we also take care of ourselves

we tend to ignore it yep you think of it for somebody else and not for myself and I if and in fact if everybody else is doing it but I push a little bit further I'll be able to get ahead so you know at the hon post after my own collabs I started covering these issues exhaustively and I remember sitting at a dinner with Jeff Bezos and he said to me you know I had just written my book on sleep and he said you know I sleep for 8 hours a night I said you do

he said yes he said I have analyzed my decisions and when I'm sleep deprived my decisions are not as good as I have gotten a good full night sleep and he said as a CEO of Amazon which he still was at the time I am judged by the quality of my decisions not the quantity of my decisions that that's amazing that's actually brilliant of him it is amazing and I um I said to him you must write about it he said no I'm private I don't want to write about it said it's not about you

it's about it's about teaching people who admire you admire your success um how to do it and finally after I kept texting him for three months he did it I think to get me off his back and then you know CNBC picked it up um different business Publications it became a part of the culture MH so SAA Nella is another one who talks about how much sleep he gets I was at a Microsoft CEO Summit and he came up to me and he said you know I didn't get all the sleep I wanted last night

so I won't be my best so these are people who are are incredibly effective incredibly successful who also know that if they take time to unplug recharge they're going to be the best versions of themselves and also Peter we see that from athletes right Elite athletes know that recovery is part of Peak Performance it it is and you know I changed my tune um you know all through medical school all through graduate school um and the first 20 years of an entrepreneurship you know I'll sleep when I'm dead was my motto and it was like

minimizing I remember having lunch with you at the crossby hotel in New York you could barely finish your lunch because you were rushing to get a plane and I was trying to convince you of that and you were like on the edge I think soon after that you were convinced but you know you are really a hardcore I'll sleep when I'm dead guy yeah my my dad used to say your fork is on fire um you know you know it's like it was it was uh I was judging everything incorrectly uh and today I'm in

bed at 9:30 every night and you know consistency of of sleep cycle and eight hours is my objective every single day I mean I always get it but it's my objective um and I can feel my next day if I don't right and in particular it's not just the eight hours it's trying to get an hour of deep sleep at least yeah which is when the I think what you said is very important there are going to be nights when we don't get it yeah and this is not about doing this perfectly we are all

works in progress and the worst thing we can do is Judge ourselves when we don't get it you know judgment uh and we'll talk about this later we judge ourselves uh humans around us inherently judge us and we each other and the beautiful thing about AI is it doesn't judge you that's one of the most spectacular things there's not that sense of oh no I can't I have to lie to it because it will think badly of me you know you can be completely honest and you know it's going to be empathic and sympathetic and

we we'll get to that in a little bit I I want to start with um you and I have a common passion and belief that we need to completely destroy obliterate burn down and sprinkle holy water on the current health care system and uh and it needs to be reinvented because it is um and I wouldn't say that as dramatically uh but the he healthare system is broken and the numbers and it's not just health care it's the food system and it's many different elements of our society we are we have a health care crisis

I think is the way that you put it right and I wrote down a few stats and I I know you have some of your favorites too and again because we're speaking to entrepreneurs going after moonshots I think one of the biggest opportunities on the planet is the uh fixing this health this healthc care crisis and delivering new system new capabilities um and I I'd like to give the some of the stats as motivations if you if you don't mind um I'm happy to go first if you have your favorites you can go as well

I'm I'm I rinse things down I don't know if you have these memorized or not but it's it's crazy well first of who should stress because it's a global audience yes that it isn't just a US crisis it's a global crisis correct we have over 8 million people in line uh for health care in the in the United Kingdom we spend um 18% of our GDP $4 trillion dollar in the US h on Healthcare and outcomes are getting worse every year I mean we work and Thrive with many self-insured employers and they're alarmed at the

increase in health care costs every year so this is this is a universal crisis but you know what um Peter from my days in the media world I have learned that we are not going to change hearts and Minds through numbers we need to tell stories and there is a story which actually the New York Times covered please um in Austin Texas which has become the amputation Capital what for people with diabetes you know last year there are 150,000 people with diabetes who had their legs or toes amputated it's crazy now this that's an alarming

number it's alarming it's barbaric and also it's in not to mention the The Incredible cost in dollars you know of these operations Prosthetics infections the cost in human lives and and and human hope and and human well-being and you know belief that life there's a better tomorrow tomorrow I mean if you've had part of your body cut off that's got to be Soul crushing ex everything you've said about optimism and how optimism helps us be healthier but the story in the New York Times was a story of one man Robert Perez 39y old record producer

not an old man mhm 39 yeah who and he was shown in a picture being fitted with a prosthetic and he said and he was diagnosed with diabetes four years earlier and he said he could never believe that it would get to this point so how come that people don't know what's available to them not just in terms of medication but in terms of behaviors MH in terms of what they eat their stress levels their their sleep and how all that impacts the progression of the disease and the sad thing is it's infinitely preventable and

or reversable yes or manageable you know that's the thing you know as you know Thrive works on these five behaviors you know sleep food actually let me let's take let's take a second and and give the overview of of Thrive Global because I think it's important for context for the rest of our hour here so when did you start Thrive Global and what does it do I started thrive in 2016 um and the reason I did is because I wanted to go beyond just raising awareness which I could have continued doing through a media company

at The Huffington Post I want you had sold Huffington Post to AOL but I sold it in 2011 right and I continued running it and my intention was to continue running it but after I started covering these issues exhaustively on The Huffington Post writing two books on the subject Thrive and the Sleep Revolution I wanted to do something more I wanted to help people change behaviors I didn't just want them to know that they need to get a good night sleep or not eat a lot of sugar and Ultra processed foods I wanted to help

them do that and I couldn't do that through a media company I had to build a behavior change technology company and that's why I left the Huffington Post in 2016 H to launch Thrive and frankly I'm grateful to my mom my amazing Greek mom who had taught me what was her name her name was Ellie okay not she had taught me not to be afraid of failing and that's something for all entrepreneurs here you know when you leave a very successful Media company in 18 countries with a pulit yeah it's it was amazing and a

you know a great um Newsroom to start again you there are no guarantees of success my mother used to say don't be afraid of failure failure is not the opposite of success it's a stepping stone to success smart woman so I you know I literally left sopia Sophia started again you know raising money hiring people Etc and the goal was to be a B2B company where we could go into Enterprises and help them reduce stress and burnout and make the connection between improving well-being and health reducing stress and burnout and improving business matric kind of

elevating these issues from the warm and fuzzy nice to have two kind of business imperatives we call them productivity multipliers I I love that reframing uh you know cuz who what CEO wouldn't want to maintain productivity multipliers even when you're cutting budgets exactly otherwise it becomes the first thing to be cut yeah and in tough times and uncertain times which is what we have all the time now yeah um so you know we were very lucky we we brought in some great um Partners you know Accenture Salesforce Walmart um AT&T Etc and started seeing the

results and the results that got me to move more and more towards Health are the results at Walmart because we're in our city six year there working with many of their Associates as they call their employees who are minimum wage who uh through these five behaviors that we work on sleep food exercise Stress Management and connection started having real health results reversing hypertension reversing diabetes without obviously any medical interventions that this is all this is all digital what you call these micro steps micro steps yes yeah our Behavior change methodology we have a great scientific

board BJ fog from Stanford is the chairman great Behavior change economists like Kevin vulp and David AR from pen everything is broken down into micro steps tiny de daily incremental steps that become healthier habits and you have a great quote by Aristotle in your book yeah um but basically our habits are who we are here it is yeah H we are what we repeatedly do Excellence then is not an act but a habit I love one of my favorite quotes yeah and so if we repeatedly do small incremental things that are good for our health

we are going to build cumulatively healthier habits and I I love this you know I think one of the things that's been a great insight for me and I wrote about this I added a chapter to my upcoming book longevity guide book on routines because I realized that it was the single most important thing I was doing was learning these routines learning these habits and a great habit is something you do so you don't negotiate with yourself it's just something you're going to do right so if you are you know if you know you're warm

and cozy under the covers in the morning and the alarm goes off because you've scheduled yourself to go work out if that's your habit um you're going to do that versus negotiate yourself out of it well I'm going to just I'll I'll do it tomorrow exactly and I love it another thing you have in your book which I'm halfway through and loving your new book thank you it's coming out in December so yeah yes you say win the morning to win the day yeah truly it it it really is it's the most controlled time in

most people's schedule where you wake up with a very clear mind you processed while you're sleeping a lot of the issues you've had you have an infinite potential in the day um yeah it's a beautiful time to take control did you see the movie Oppenheimer if you did did you know that besides building the atomic bomb at Los Alamos National Labs that they spent billions on biod defense weapons the ability to accurately detect viruses and microbes by reading their RNA well a company called viome exclusively licensed the technology from Los Alamos labs to build a

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of mine who's the founder and CEO of viome to give my listeners a special discount you'll find it at vom.com Peter you know Ariana um those five elements are so critically important and I I do want to hit just a couple of points on the numbers and you're right it is we learn in story and for any entrepreneur it's like giving numbers is one thing telling great stories is a 100 times more powerful which is why Ariana is such a great entrepreneur but I am going to hit a few numbers here and the thing that

is so scary is the health care obesity epidemic right we're at 41.8% obesity in in the US uh and rising and it's causing diabetes and heart disease and cancer um and there multiple causes but small changes small micr steps as you teach uh can can change that um and the other element here is uh you know the numbers that I pulled were like 400,000 deaths per year are preventable because of diet or tobacco you know I saw I haven't seen a I haven't seen a tobacco uh uh carton in a long time and I saw

one in the trash the other day and I don't know how how can they be more explicit it says this package will kill you it's like skull and crossbones yeah it's crazy but you know what we are finding is that people are more likely to change behaviors if you focus on what they're looking forward to yeah like on the fact that they want to take their grandchild to the park or celebrate their daughter's wedding um or be able to still go on a hike um as they age these are much more likely to get them

to do what's good for their heal then if you tell them you're going to die yeah and that's why Behavior change methodology is so important and Peter we have been doing it wrong for so many years you know first of all we've been focusing on New Year resolutions mhm which tend to be abandoned within two to three weeks in January because they're so big you know they're like I'm going to go to the gym first thing in the morning for an hour every day or I'm going to completely give up sugar I know you and

I have completely given up sugar but it was gradual for me it I didn't wake up one day and did it and now it's like effortless I have effortless and and for me it was doing it in a group setting going through it with a community right which is supportive um yeah yeah you got to find your we call them accountability bodies yes H people who will support you and then you begin to feel better and it becomes easier and easier until there's no more self- neego iation it's like you don't have the desert put

down in front of you period yeah that's my that's my hack it just I don't want to see it I don't want to be negotiating with myself with you know I don't want to be tempted just know you know you have to know yourself I have an addictive personality like there are people who can say I'm just going to have a bite of this dessert I'm not I'm just going to have a bite person right like I'm not going to have any or I'm going to have the whole thing and the other thing is that

I found that what has changed all my habits around exercise was what we call a Thrive habit stacking you add um a habit you enjoy or you do regularly on top of another habit which you it's it's harder for you so I have added watching my favorite shows only when I'm on my treadmill or on my bike love it and amazing you know when I wanted to see the end of succession or recently um what was the m and apple show I literally was on my treadmill for two and a half hours I didn't want

to stop yeah is it that that's going to end the self- negation absolutely uh you know for me I I do my board calls if I'm not presenting on my uh it's right over here my techno gym bike um just because I think of sitting as the you smoking and we send spend so much time sitting down it's insane I know so exactly you found your own way to combine something with something else talk to me more about um a user coming onto onto th under the Thrive platform so I mean I I think I

want to understand where it is today and where you're going with it and how it collects the data um so that you know we can give people a vision of the future here great so um to give you the vision of the future I need to also tell you that we launched a new company which is I was yes which is um um funded jointly by Thrive Global and open AI with two strategic investors Eli Le and the Alice Walton Foundation perfect and the purpose of um of this company is to just create an AI

health coach and that's called Thrive AI Health Thrive AI Health yes yeah so the the original Thrive Global is focused on meeting people where they are at work like uh if you spend a lot of your day on Microsoft teams Thrive will meet you on Microsoft teams if you spend a lot of your day on slack or WebEx we'll meet you there by the way you've got an important stat there which I'd love you to share because I've heard this and it's a again a really important entrepreneurial tip uh on on meeting people where they

are versus trying to get people to come to you could you describe that yes I mean let me give you an example fiser is one of the companies we work with the numbers on um engagement you thrive colleagues as they call their employees engaging H fiser colleagues engaging with thrive on the Thrive app is 14% 14 okay f colleagues engaging who Thrive exactly the same content the same micr steps on Microsoft teams is 76% because they're there already because they're there we come to you yeah we eliminate friction yeah and I I think that's such

an important lesson for entrepreneurs to realize um you know don't expect the users you want to always come to you you know where they hanging out what water hole are they in already and how do you present yourself there in easy you know increment small micro step as you say to get to you yeah yes and but also at Thrive um we have what we call a cultural Activation so that we when we start a partnership we we we have a far side chat who the chro or even the CEO or a business leader mhm

that sets up what we are doing and why so that people at every level of the company have cultural permission to engage MH as you know culture is changed at the top yes for sure and I mean I have done so many amazing fire chats with CEOs who talk about their micr steps what they are doing how they learned for example to put their phone away at night as you have P are you still doing it remember the phone yeah I'm like my one of the hacks I learned from Matt walker uh who wrote also

an amazing book on sleep is I will only look at my phone while I'm standing up before going to sleep and then when I lie down the phone goes away and I get very tired at night sitting there like last few texts or emails and then and then it's gone yeah you know this is the most important sleep micr step I do remember you built these you built these little beds for our phones to charge exactly this is the only physical product we have produced at Thrive is the little phone beds that we sell at

cost on Amon in Mahogany and Lightwood love it and the idea is to leave outside everybody's bedrooms and be the place where everybody's phones go yours your wies your your twins your twin boys twins don't have phones yet they're not going to have phones till they're 16 I've drawn the line but once well I'm going to send you the new um version the new improved version of the phone bed so when the twins get the phone they learn phone hygiene yeah from day one your phone doesn't sleep with you yeah because that is an issue

for a lot of teens right now you know they bring their phone to bed um and they're under the covers on social media uh you know which will steal two hours of sleep and people need to realize you get your deep sleep at the beginning of your sleep cycle right which is so critically important if you wake up too early you're going to eliminate some REM but you'll have gotten your deep sleep already but that's why you see by having this cultural activation these Fireside Chats these webinars leadership Journeys who have over 50 facilitators by

having all that in an ongoing way we actually create a culture where the platform and the digital product can be embedded yeah if you and accepted and practiced and then we collect stories yeah from the CEO down you know how are you doing it what micr steps are you using which Inspire others to join you know one of the things that you did as part of this is uh your Reset Program yes right um which uh I found f fascinating um can you explain what that is and I think uh we have teed up a

60c Ariana reset so it's actually kind of one of my absolute favorite features at Thrive because in 60 seconds you can have such an impact it's based on the Neuroscience as you know that while stress is unavoidable there is nobody who has a stressfree existence cumulative stress is avoidable and it takes 60 to 90 seconds to move from the sympathetic to the parasympathetic nervous system away from the fight or flight response yes to the rest and digest yes exactly so whether you are on teams or WebEx or slack or on the Thrive up you have

access to hundreds of Thrive resets that have a breathing bubble so that you can breathe consciously because as you know our breath is our superpower H music images quotes and you can pick what you like um one of my favorite um illustrations of the power of resets is we've brought them into dozens of contact centers around the world and you know contact center agents are among the most stressed populations and because time is so precious yeah we only give them three resets a day and the employer decides what the triggers are um the results have

been amazing the results in productivity in customer success but my favorite um data point is synchrony the financial company did a survey and asked their agents do you prefer continuing to get three dve resets a day or get three five minute breaks so 15 versus 3 minutes and 76% said we'd rather get the resets Wow because if we get the five minutes what they talked about what are they're going to do they're going to go Doom scroll the news or go on Instagram and get more stressed out comparing their lives to somebody else's life and

this is like as a 60c reset it's a it's a fuel fuel for your soul fuel for your soul exactly and we've now created um a system where you can go on Thrive and build your own personal reset with things that give you Joy and remind you of what you're grateful for in your life and I love that and I built my own 60c reset and and we made a partnership with Universal Music so that you can take 60 second of Universal Music songs and um you can update them mine was recently updated with a

picture of my grandson Alexander congratulations yeah thank you yeah exactly oh Yaya Huffington when he St well why don't we take a look at your reset video so people can see what this is and how the power with imagery and music uh to to calm your soul and to put you into that parasympathetic mode we've talked about this before of just taking a you know a few deep breaths and in particular before eating your lunch or dinner so you can put yourself into a rest rest and digest situation instead of a fight or flight which

is the wrong place first of all to be making decisions from and secondly to be consuming your nutrients so um if we could uh let's play Ariana's reset [Music] [Laughter] [Music] that's beautiful it worked for me as well which is amazing would you like to see mine yes oh my God I'm so happy you made one I could not not make one that's fantastic uh yeah it's it's uh it's a early draft but um you know I think this shares a little bit about who you are in an intimate fashion so let me share a

little bit about who I am all right let's roll my reset [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] wow this is amazing I absolutely love it thank you just saying your twins and your parents and your wife and favorite quot I mean it has an impact on me yeah I I I was so excited about it when I saw yours and I was like there's so many times during the day that I'm stressed because I'm just I'm running Non-Stop and you know again many entrepreneurs are in the same mode where it's like back to back to

back to back to back you know who creates this in Crazy schedule who can I Blame You Know Yourself having just the ability to know that you're stressed and to play that everybody I want to take a short break from our episode to talk about a company that's very important to me and could actually save your life or the life of someone that you love company is called Fountain life and it's a company I started years ago with Tony Robbins and a group of very talented Physicians you know most of us don't actually know what's

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we're building 20 around the world these centers give you a full body MRI a brain a brain vasculature an AI enabled coronary CT looking for soft plaque dexa scan a Grail blood cancer test a full executive blood workup it's the most advanced workup you'll ever receive 150 gabt of data that then go to our AIS and our physicians to find any disease at the very beginning when it's solvable you're going to find out eventually you might as well find out when you can take action Fountain life also has an entire side of Therapeutics we look

around the world for the most Advanced Therapeutics that can add 10 20 healthy years to your life and we provide them to you at our centers so if this is of interest to you please go and check it out go to Fountain life.com Peter when Tony and I wrote our New York Times bestseller life force we had 30,000 people reached out to us for Fountain life memberships if you go to fountainlife decomp will put you to the top of the list really it's something that is um for me one of the most important things I

offer my entire family the CEOs of my companies my friends it's a chance to really add decades onto our healthy lifespans go to fountainlife decomp it's it's one of the most important things I can offer to you as one of my listeners all right let's go back to our episode I want to get a little bit now um well I I'll say one other thing which is these are intimate and they share uh what is the most meaningful part of your life right so you know every night when I go to sleep um uh I

will do my best to focus in on what what I'm most grateful for the three things I'm most grateful for for the day from the day um and typically it's you know 90% the things that an entrepreneur doesn't think about it's your kids it's your friends it's the the hugs and all of that um and so that realization is really um sort of Amplified in this and so it can it ground you once again very quickly and not again it's based on the science that yeah gratitude is an antidote to Stress and Anxiety MH yeah

so you know Stress and Anxiety are part of life but when we remember what we're grateful for that's more powerful and you know the other thing we do is we start team meetings with the spinning a wheel and one of us plays the reset that's amazing so you get a little bit of an insight into everybody's lives yes you get a little Glimpse I want to do that for my for my team meetings for sure you know I think what I really want is my AI to be measuring my cortisol levels and my heart rate

and the the tenor of my voice and to like say Peter excuse me a second watch this video yes well that's what the coach that's what we're training the coach to do yeah so the AI the Thrive AI coach is trained on only on peer reviewed literature not on the Hall of the web y on our Behavior that's that's a good that's a good thing not on the whole the way there's there's a lot of shocking recommendations out there and our Behavior change methodology are thousands of micr steps videos articles resets and uh also the

very very thorough onboarding so when we onboard you we'll get all your biometric data lab data medical data but also all your preferences yeah the foods you like to eat the H the the time you like to go to sleep you know the exercise you like everything so that our um recommendations and nigas and micr steps are going to be hyper personalized I think that's really the superpower of AI the level of hyper personalization would not be possible without the context window of AI you know billions and potentially trillions of data points and the multimodal

version right we're all going to have so I I speak about this a lot the notion that we're all going to have some version of Jarvis from Iron Man call it a co-pilot call it your coach that um knows everything about you you're going to give it permission to know anything and everything about you so that it can maximize its support of you right it's it's measuring your sleep you'll give it permission to listen to your conversations to uh to read your emails and at least I believe there's going to be a future where it

heard my conversation with somebody I walk into the room it knows I'm stressed the music changes my reset video comes up on the screen um and and I'm psychologically reset at the same time my AI is measuring my blood sugar my vitamin levels my mrnas whatever and it's telling the robot in the kitchen what meal to prepare needed for my blood you know my blood markers at this moment and you know I I love the fact that there is so much that's possible right now mhm and then there are things that are going to be

pass possible maybe sooner than we think like a robot in the kitchen preparing our meal but I think it's important to know how much is available right now yeah H because people are hurting yeah and I love the fact that you've really come I mean you and I have approached this from two different ends of the spectrum but Thrive Global and Thrive AI has really made this possible on a DI Minimus cost right and and I think the fact of the matter is this is a price that an employer is willing gratefully to pay because

of increased productivity and less days missed and reduced health care costs uh and it's a win-win win um and I'm sure the numbers are are pretty dramatic um I I quoted you in the book about some of the numbers do you have them there accessible well the numbers are dramatic and thank you for quoting them in the book both in terms of productivity absenteeism recruitment um all the metrics that matter to an employer but also Peter what we are doing now and that's kind of the additional new part for Thrive is working through big companies

like eliy so yeah neither Thrive Global nor Thrive AI Health are going to be a consumer product at some point maybe Thrive AI health will launch a consumer product but right now the model is B2B and B2B Toc yeah and just to give you an example of the B2B Toc um Eli ly wants to go directly to Consumers they they want to have a direct relationship with consumers so they launched ly direct MH Thrive is already a partner so you go to Lily direct you have a tele Health appointment you get your obesity diabetes migraine

soon Alzheimer's drug whatever you drug you're own and then you are given the coach for free yes now as you know as an amazing entrepreneur incentives are superpowers they are I built a whole X prise around that exactly so we need to understand why do would a Pharma company give you a coach for free to improve your daily da behaviors while you are taking your drug and the reasons are so clear one of the biggest problems Pharma companies have exactly is adherence yeah 25% of people do not even feel the first prescription now if they

have a coach that is involved in their daily behaviors and the relationship is not just transactional but much deeper and more intimate you are improving adherence categorically yeah and also another thing is Pharma companies pbms payers providers are dealing with a reputation problem at the moment yes they are for sure so you know building a relationship who I it's not just transactional it's a huge reputation hello so so we are just always looking at what are the incentives here so that we can scale and the goal of the coach is to democratize access to what

the people you and I know and you work with are already doing people with resources are already optimizing for these five behaviors it it well look the more wise you get and the more more you uh the older you get bluntly the more you realize that these things are fundamental um I love life I want to see as much of it as I can and it's not going to happen without optimization exactly and and the things that you can do today are sleep diet exercise mindset those are literally free and lowcost things that you can

alter but people don't because it's easy to continue doing what you've always done and and also because the majority of people don't have access um to that expert level coaching yeah that so many people with resources do have access to yeah so that's really the reason why Alice Walton invested in the compan because her whole goal is to bring the power of AI to the Heartland to basically democratize and scale everything that we know scientifically that AI makes possible and that's really what I'm so excited about you know the health inequities for me are the

biggest inequity yeah I get it you know you and I are going to be on stage together at the abundance Summit in March and going into depth on this and uh excited to see you personally and give you a big hug um hopefully before then but at least in March um too you know uh I'm going to have the team from Fountain life that will be there which has been my Diagnostics and Therapeutics Center you know we're we're taking a a different part of the sector where we're really Gathering 200 gigabytes of data about your

current state of physiology right it's full body MRI brain brain vasculature coronary CT dexa scan lung scan microbiome metabolome all of that um and then through a functional medicine lens answering the you know two questions is there anything going on inside your body you need to know about right now because sadly we're all optimists about our health and we actually have very little idea of what's going on inside our body unless you look and then what's likely to happen to you down the line and how do we prevent that from happening and optimize you in

that way but what you're doing is so important as The Upfront portion of that at scale um and so uh I'm super thankful and I I really want to see if we can deliver Thrive glob able to all of our our members there can I ask you um you got Sam Alman involved as a co-founder of Thrive AI um how did that materialize I know that Sam is interested in longevity um I've had those conversations I've had him on the abundance stage as well and I know he had he partnered with Joe Joe bets lroy

to create uh uh retro biosciences looking at epigenetic reprogramming um was this something that he approached you on or did you approach him on how did it materialize you know we got to know each other we met at a conference um three years ago and during that the time we spent together um we found an alignment around behaviors he for him for two reasons one is that personally he talks about how he was dealing with crippling anxiety and how he started prioritizing his sleep his meditation you know he he's a meditator he's been um to

retreats to just actually connect with a deeper part of himself food exercise all these things that we are talking about how yes he brought them to his life and how it changed outcomes and made him infinitely more productive and also able to be in the eye of the hurricane to deal with multiple stresses and crisis and problems as he's dealing with every he is in the eye of the hurricane for sure but not learn how to be in the eye of the hurricane yeah and also he wanted to tell a fuller story around AI because

right right now the story around AI is either around productivity it's going to make us more productive you'll have an assistant who can do anything great fantastic but it doesn't affect millions of people or it's about razzled Dazzle features you know this text will become a video a movie a feature movie a feature movie H your wife will um tell you about a a podcast she loves not give you the name but a I will find it great fun fun okay but you know I'm struggling 130 million people are struggling with their heal yes chronic

diseases can you do anything for me so I think being able to tell a story for what open AI describes as Everyday People mhm is a very important part for all of us who care and believe in it AI it can't just be a tool for the elites while millions of people are simply anxious about AI taking their job if I might you are very much in the eye of this AI hurricane as well I mean uh you know most of the uh Tech Elite to use that term how do you feel about the future

of AI I had you know Elon and Jeffrey Hinton and Ray cwell on stage with me at the abundance Summit last year and the the sense was um in summary there's 80% chance AI is going to be amazing and we're great 20% chance we're screwed you know it's like how do how do how does the public think about how do you think about that what's your advice for people thinking about that well my advice and actually I just wrote a piece um about jual hari's new book Nexus and he is um a bit of an

AI doomsayer but in a very very interesting fascinating way because he's brilliant and amazing public intellectual and my piece focused on certain things he has said that I totally beli in which is while uh AI has a long way to go so do humans we are also work in progress and if you don't acknowledge that if you don't acknowledge that AI can help us become the best versions of ourselves then I think we are doomed because ultimately what we do with AI depends on humans I know that AI is not just a tool it's an

agent Etc but ultimately we can't be deterministic about technology and you know yal said something actually not in his book but on The Daily Show that I and my piece on his book with and which I want to read it to you if you don't mind please I'd love to yeah because I think it's everything I believe about the future of AI he said if for every dollar and every minute that we invest in developing artificial intelligence we also invest in exploring and developing our own minds it will be okay but if we put all

our bets on technology on AI and neglect to develop ourselves this is very bad news for Humanity I I I get that and of course there is there are two points of view here you know raise belief is that we are going to merge with AI definitively we and we're giving birth to a new species AI is our progyny we're feeding it on our data and it's becoming um it's becoming Godlike with a small G omniscient omnipotent omnipresent in so many ways but there is a sense that we will be able to uh to merge

with it into the future you know I I like to say I quote one of the singularity faculty Neil jacobstein who said I'm not worried about artificial intelligence I'm worried about human stupidity um but my point is that human stupidity is obviously a fact of history but it doesn't have to be and I love Ry I think Ray is totally brilliant but I completely disagree with him I think that human beings have a soul and AI doesn't MH and the more we can connect to our soul we will connect to our own wisdom and when

we connect to our own wisdom we can yet use AI to be the best versions of ourselves and you know soier nen had this great quote about how every human being is a mixture he actually said the line between good and evil goes through every human heart so how can AI help us um activate the best part of us that for me is the greatest h of AI yeah and AI doesn't have a soul it doesn't have Consciousness and we do and we need to access it more you know why do you think reset works

Works Peter it works because we all have a place of Peace wisdom and strength in US M most of the time we are disconnected from it the more we can connect to it the more we can tap into it the better everything is the wiser we are the more compassionate and empathetic we are and I believe that whether people call themselves atheists or not is irrelevant they still have that place in them real quick I've been getting the most unusual compliments lately on my skin the truth is I use a lotion every morning and every

night religiously called one skin it was developed by four PhD women who determined a 10 amino acid sequence that is a cytic that kills scile cells in your skin and this literally reverses the age of your skin and I think it's one of the most incredible products I use it all the time uh if you're interested check out the show notes I've asked my team to link to it below all right let's get back to the episode I want to pick up something we mentioned earlier which is the notion that how will AI be empathic

will it be uh it will be infinitely patient you know the notion there was an interesting study in the I think it was in jamama uh looking at how if you compare empathy of Physicians versus empathy of AI the AI is W by 10 to1 that you know the AI was infinitely patient infinitely um there to reflect back on you what you said while a physician I was talking to a doctor yesterday um who you know has transitioned in her practice but she says you know I had a I had an iPad with a countdown

timer the patient would walk in I would hit it and it would count down from 7 minutes and by the time it was Zero that patient was out the door with or without being all the questions being answered and that has been American medicine filled with paperwork and insurance forms and all of that stuff how do you think about AIS being uh empathic and and being therapists who don't judge you and will take all the time to help you I completely agree with that that's that's not AI having a soul it's AI agree and uh

and I totally agree it's what you said the key thing is that you're not being judged it's a little bit like the GPS in your car you know if you take the wrong turn the GPS doesn't say oh Peter you're such a you do that it's simply recalculates and that's what AI does which is great and empathetic but it doesn't mean that it's a Transcendent being you know I mean I happen to be a deep believer in a Transcendent reality and what I whatever religion you are at the heart of it in its esoteric form

whether it's Christianity Judaism Islam Judaism you know there is that truth that unites us and as I said most of the time we're not connected to it MH yes our our mind is whizzing away our mind is whizzing away yeah H we are driven by fears anxiety the more we can connect to that the wiser and the healthier we'll be and the more empathetic and you know um that's one of the things the coach is going to do let's say it will find out from you Peter what are some of the things that most connect

you to the deeper part it could be a piece of poetry that you barely remember it could be a song that you heard in Greece it could be a hymn because a lot of people who are atheists may have gone to church early on and there is a hym that evokes something in them and we'll feed you these things you know our our Greek compatriots said know thyself nobody to know us better than have yes yes you know and it's uh so some people who are uh cynical will say oh so you'll just get manipulated

by AI to to be but you're choosing to ask the AI to help get you into a better state of mind because no one likes being stressed and also Peter we're being manipulated all the time right now by the news media for sure but we're by social media news media but we're being hacked you know to be the worst version of ourselves we're being hacked by tapping into our biases our outrage our anger I believe companies can make a lot of money by hiking into what's good in us you know I I believe I believe

that Ariana and you know grateful to you for uh this uh you know third act uh in your in your entrepreneurial life you know I I want to P I want to bounce an idea off you um which is the idea of wisdom uh Sophia um you know if you were to ask the question what makes a person wise or people who are on a sort of a wisdom Council I would imagine it is because they've seen enough things to have experienced them to be able to say young woman or young man if you go

down that path it ends you know in in a poor fashion this way has a possibility but this way while it's more difficult is you know and they they have that wisdom through experience in their own lives and past down from previous generations and I think of that as wisdom do you agree with that absolutely so here's the question um I think we're going to see a world in the very near future where AIS are able to simulate billions of scenarios uh in society to be able to say probabilistically for the situation that you're in

this is the path that is the greatest you know greatest probability of of positive outcome and so I do think we can see wisdom from that definition coming out of AI simulation systems but I think there is more to wisdom first of all can we all agree that at the moment we are drowning in data there's never more data in the world and we are starved for wisdom I would say those are both true statements and it's not because we don't have amazing technology wisdom something more wisdom is connected to the deepest part of ourselves

to our intuition to our sense of wonder about the universe to the ability to forgive and to love you know it's connected with the deepest things that make us human it's not just about deciding what road to take it's about you know if you take Marcus Aurelius who I believe is the the greatest leadership philosopher I have his book meditations on my nightstand and read a page before I go to sleep because he was in the world he was the emperor of Rome for 19 years yeah he dealt with every crisis plague betrayals invasions and

he was able to be unflappable he epitomized wisdom and his philosophy was that I can I Marcus aurelus I Ariana you Peter cannot control events the only thing we can control is how we respond to events yes and if we learn to respond H without being reactive angry in reality I don't mean not showing it I mean not feeling it yes then we have what um what yal Harari in his book calls the self-correcting mechanisms you know we all need sharper self-correcting mechanisms because we're human we're going to make a lot of mistakes how quickly

can we C correct and how quickly can we forgive I think forgiveness is at the heart of wisdom I I agree I've got you know one of never please it's it's my mom will love you for saying all of this for sure but that's it the wisdom of your mom and my mom yes that's wisdom you know and it's different than your mom or your mom giving us advice as to what decision to make which AI can absolutely help us do but what your mom and my mom taught us was deeper yep which is the

root of family as foundational in society that's so important Ariana Mo I am so grateful for this time uh I want to say thank you for all you do it's it's not um a surprise that you're the number one woman on LinkedIn the number the fifth uh most followed person on LinkedIn in general um they can find you uh at Ariana Huffington on LinkedIn is that your your social and then uh to learn more about Thrive global um how where should they go should they go to their comp go to their companies and ask their

their companies they can go to thrive global.com all right ask your chro to to get your company on Thrive Global uh so that your company can make more money and have happier employees and healthier employees for sure and Peter I just loved this you know I treasure our friendship my God 20 years and I love how we are both constantly um learning improving doing um all the things that we care about and I look forward to being together on stage yeah for sure thma thank you Yesa bye yes yes [Music]