Cliffe Knechtle - Jesus Was Not Born on December 25th

um like 600 years before Jesus Christ uh mithis was also born December 25th um was also born uh the Virgin Mary and was also uh resurrected on the third day and was also crucified crucified and same as the the god of uh Horus was also born December 25th uh resurrected the third day was crucified the same thing and like I feel like Jesus Christ is the same thing as like a Martin Luther King or a Gandhi he died for you know Rel uh with civil disobedience and I feel like it's the same thing if someone

would WR about Gandhi it would have the same Outlook as Jesus Christ like what if he was just like another person that was you know for the greater good of humankind like greater good more greater good than what religion does to the world itself now it's fascinating you raised that question cuz yesterday I studied mithraism Osiris and Horus all right great question first point Jesus was not born on December 25th December 25th is simply a holiday that has been attached to the birth of Christ so Christ was not born on December 25th that's just a

tradition I was born of a virgin too I just don't like to brag about it what was the significance of Mithra the significance of his life was he killed a bull that's the whole focus of mithraism Mithra killed the bull sir the idea that Mithra was crucified the idea that Mithra Rose from the dead those thoughts occurred way way ad hundreds of years after Christ the New Testament pardon so is the New Testament no the New Testament was written in the first century you know how we know that ad yeah first century ad after the

birth of Christ right and the the the gospels passed on from other people that saw Jesus and that people it's like playing the the it's like playing the game Telephone by the end of the time you're going to have a whole different story than what you started with okay the gospel of Mark Matthew Luke and John were written by the eyewitnesses or those who knew the eyewitnesses in the first century the way that we know that is Ignatius Bishop of Antioch in letters he writes in 95 ad quotes the gospel Clement Bishop of Rome writing

in 115 ad quotes the gospel 1 Corinthians 15: 3-8 the Apostle Paul writes what I received I passed on to you as of first importance that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures that he was buried that he was raised from the dead according to the scriptures when did Paul write 1 Corinthians 15 between 50 and 54 ad sir that's within 25 years of the death and resurrection of Christ so whoever told you that the gospels were written hundreds of years after Christ I'm sorry they're inaccurate they're wrong we have a fragment of

the Gospel of John today in the John rylands Museum in Manchester England its verses from John 18 and it's dated between 117 and 130 ad so sir it's obvious that the gospels were written in the first century by the eyewitnesses or by those who knew the eyewitnesses now the resurrection of Osiris is the only resurrection that is in BC that predates the resurrection of Christ so now you got to study the resurrection of Osiris and when you study it sir what you'll find out is he was sliced up into 14 different pieces he was killed

then what happened his sister Isis went around finding his Parts she found 13 of the 14 parts so she puts the 13 Parts back together again and what does Osiris experience he does not experience a resurrection body the way Jesus Christ physically rose from the dead instead Osiris becomes the god of the underworld a spiritual existence so you do not sir have a physical Resurrection you have a spiritual resurrection of Osiris where you've got 13 of his 14 Parts in a spirit form in the Underworld it doesn't ever say say that there's any kind of

correlation between him and the underworld just in a spiritual kind of Realm and although he had his 13 uh pieces put together the 13th piece was made from a spiritual kind of thing so I'm I'm just wondering where are you getting that serious was uh in the realm of the underworld I studied it yesterday sir that's how I get it it's very clear check out o good check out oir Osiris he's he's put together again by his sister Isis and he rules in the underworld in a spiritual Realm of the underworld just because you're in

a spiritual realm doesn't mean that it's an underworld all right fine if you have a problem with underworld fine he's in a spiritual realm so what's not to say that he was in the spiritual Realm of the heavens it definitely doesn't say that but if you want to add that go ahead but what it does say is that he was not a physical being the resurrection of Christ is not a spiritual Resurrection guys in Luke chapter 24 when Jesus appears to the disciples they think oh no we're hallucinating this is a spirit and what does

Jesus do he comes right up to him and says grab hold of me and see a spirit does not have flesh and Bone the way you see I have what does what does he do to Thomas he doesn't say Hey Thomas Here I Am the ghost no he says right here Thomas take your hands and put them in the nail prints in my hands and Thomas stopped doubting and believe so obviously the clear claim of the gospels is Jesus physically died on a cross 3 days later he physically rose from the dead and over a

period of 40 days he appears to over 500 people who see him risen from the dead do that make sense yeah I mean what my guests are understanding on that is where that information would come from would come from other people's interpretations so I'm not doubting that when the people were writing about this that they uh didn't know what's going on but they are writing their interpretations of what happened and you talking about that even some of the people just knew the eyewitnesses well just knowing the eyewitness is not a direct link to the kind

of information that's there they're only giving their personal interpretation and if we looking under God's eyes personal interpretations can be wrong I agree good point so if I say to you what's all based on the I'm an atheist is it fair for you to interpret me to be saying I believe that God exists is that a good interpretation either the miracle happened and the Virgin had a baby or the miracle didn't happen and Mary had sex with someone and that's how Jesus was born it's not a matter of interpretation it's a matter of did the

miracle occur or did it not okay so how are we supposed to know today if the miracle did or did not occur very simple by looking at other people's interpretations no first of all you ask yourself does my world viiew allow for a miracle to happen yes yours does MHM so that means you believe in some type of God or Gods right I believe in a higher power that doesn't mean that they're a God okay but you believe there's more to reality than matter and energy um no I believe that the reality is energy okay

well if there's if all of reality is matter and energy how can a miracle happen because energy can be manipulated in the ways that we might not understand right now who's going to manipulate it uh the conscious being okay so what you're telling me is you think that a woman who hasn't had sex with a man can consciously manipulate her body so she can have a child no good I'm glad to hear that cuz I would say that's irrational sir the only way it's possible for a virgin to have a baby is if there was

a supernatural God who created the laws of nature therefore he's he is capable of changing a law of Nature and Performing what you and I call a miracle a virgin having a baby that's the only way it can happen if there is no God it's impossible for a virgin to have a baby and if you don't believe me just go to biology uh just because something is not being able to be explained today does mean that it can't be explained in the past just like uh in the past we look at the sky and we're

like why is that blue why are there stars we didn't understand so we'd make up explanations for that and now as science evolves we're able to tell what we weren't able to tell back then so just by saying that well today we don't know that you know that it's impossible that a woman could get pregnant without actually you know sperm entering the egg well just cuz we can't explain that today doesn't mean that we're not going to be able to explain it scientifically in the future if there is no super Supernatural God guys virgins never

have babies and if you haven't learned that yet in Biology class that's embarrassing okay so the only way a virgin can have a baby is if there's a supernatural God who changes a law of Nature and performs what you and I call a miracle philosophically if you say there is no God it's impossible for a miracle to happen because if there is no God all of reality is matter and energy and matter and energy operate in a very consistent way we call it the laws of nature that's not true the Lords of science quantum mechanics

thank you quantum mechanics we're starting to show that the atom is all empty space so we can look around and wonder how this matter is made up around us it's all empty everything that we see is just projection from within our own mind within the last year or two wait wait wait wait say that last sentence again everything that we see is a projection of what's happening within our own mind own conscious and all of the conscious together that's what God is God is not someone off up in the sky that's preaching down looking down

be like you sin electric B you're going to hell no God is a collective consciousness of everyone I'm God you're God everyone here is God okay now if what you say is right that I cannot perceive reality I just make up reality in my head with my perception doesn't mean you make it up but you are able to interpret the reality differently than how you might interpret it right now now it doesn't mean that it's just you know made up it's how you perceive things well then where does your rational mind come from my rational

mind comes from my Consciousness what does that mean my Consciousness is basically how from birth I my life perceives all of the information around it I'm sure you know of the Trinity Body Mind and Spirit when we're born we are born with the spirit the new mind and the new body so we have the collective Consciousness which is the spirit which is all of us the body is the physical way that we experience the reality and the mind is the mind that interprets it the actual Consciousness what is spirit Spirit is what a lot of

people like to refer to as God spirit is the kind of Consciousness that everyone has and is able to basically use and what can happen is when all the collective Consciousness comes together with the same intent that is when a miracle is able to happen because there's such a strong force behind it the Unseen force that has a lot to do with quantum physics that unexplainable things start to happen and just because we're not to explain it now doesn't mean that we can't explain it into the future when we start learning about new things the

quantum mechanics the way that Consciousness really works what is spirit where does Spirit come from Spirit Started From The Great beginning a lot of people like to call it the Big Bang everything like that there was one Consciousness you all I mean you might refer to him as God a lot of people refer to him as a lot of different things and as that happens God God Consciousness wants to experience life in as many ways as it can so it might send Consciousness as this guy right here intelligent smart guy you know he's experiencing Consciousness

in his own way and then he might want to send it to some other person in India who grows up in a you know some kind of Temple Buddhist temple whatever and he's experiencing his conscious in a different way so it is all of the same Consciousness experiencing it in different Realms does this Stone have Consciousness that is an extremely good question and that's something that we're trying to figure out right now is if inanimate things are able to have a Consciousness I'll tell you what the stone does have is it all resonates on the

same frequency that I do you were bringing up energy and matter well quantum physics is starting to show that everything is not as solid as we thought it's more like a light wve and it's a condensed light wave that is able to just manifest into something that's actually hard so what we trying to figure out now is in what difference is my body have to this rock because they're same of the they're made of the same elements the same energy the same matter that is where the Buddhist get the idea that the Observer seeing and

the phenomenon are one and the same they're not actually separate because we are all made of the same building box the same unit that our reality is constructed of Sir there was a big bang right about 15 billion years ago what are you saying there was a big bang about 15 billion years ago How the Universe started I don't know but do you accept the Big Bang Theory or not I contemplate it Aristotle once said that as a mark of an educated mind to be able to contemplate an idea without accepting it okay so you

don't accept the big bang you just contemplate it right okay now if your worldview is right that Consciousness is this vague thing and that maybe this rock no has ious it might be it might then why do you step on the Rock and don't step on him if The Rock has Consciousness and he has Consciousness why do you step on the Rock and not step on him just because I'm stepping on ground doesn't mean that I'm inflicting any kind of pain or hate to it what's the difference between me taking a machete cutting a head

of lettuce cutting a cow's head or cutting his head because is there a difference yes there absolutely is a difference what's the basis because plants are a way that everything in this life receives nutrition there is not a single way to deny that everything comes from plants and just because you are using a plant doesn't mean that you're even again hurting it inflicting any kind of pain because you're cycling through what is known as life I would never hurt another human being because we're of the same species you don't see lettuce going around chopping each

other down there's one universal force in the world and it's Consciousness and if you ask me Consciousness is the same thing as love okay very good love that's where you and I disagree if what you say is true nobody has innate value they just have subjective value that we choose to subjectively give ourselves be true where the question comes in asking is where does Consciousness comes in is because I have the spirit Spirit you know everyone has a spirit I wouldn't want to go to another person who's also experiencing reality through their body mind and

then of course the collective spirit I would never want to end their experience of reality CU that would ultimately break them of their connection between their body and mind and spirit and now I'm done okay the only way there can be more to reality than matter and energy the only way there can be a spirit logically is if there is some type of God to create the spirit because if there's no God then all of reality is matter and energy evolve to a higher order the way you simply blindly gullibly say oh there is Spirit

you don't know that if you're if you philosophically say my starting point is matter and energy you can't just add Spirit to that but if there's a God who creates matter and energy and also creates Spirit then it's possible that Spirit exists the only way way there can be more to reality than matter and energy is if there is some type of God to create Spirit to create a value of Justice to create a value of love to create a value of kindness you cannot put Spirit into a mathematical equation you cannot put love into

a test tube you cannot give me a foot of Justice those are intangible non-material values the only way those values can be re is if there's more to reality and M more to reality than simple matter and energy that's my point do you mind please you got the floor you are saying that that is the only way that it's able the only way that there could be a spirit is if there was a God okay well then where would you get your justification for that because when you say there is no God you're automatically limiting

reality to obviously matter and energy no you are limiting yourself if you say there is a God and now I have to devote my life praising this one person it limits the true abilities and capabilities that the human is able to achieve I agree with you I've never said that what you just said okay I've never said that once instead we're having a philosophical discussion right now about reality is reality just matter and energy or is there a spirit are there values like justice and love and compassion that are non-physical non-material values my point point

is if those values are real Justice love Spirit then there's got to be more to reality than just matter and energy there's got to be some type of God to create and Define spirit Justice I'll tell you why good question because inanimate matter and energy have no ability to define or experience love Justice kindness compassion or rational thinking it takes a rational mind to think rationally it takes a conscience of a human being to just say that is just that is unjust and to understand that the leaf the tree The Rock has no ability to

appreciate Justice compassion rational thinking or free will that's not true can I okay fine go ahead love is a kind of frequency okay love is a frequency it resonates to everything they have recorded heart monitoring systems when someone fills yourselves with full of negative thoughts it's super disharmonious the beat is just going all over the place but when someone focuses on pure love energy just unconditional love that is to all not just all living but to everything that there is the heart starts working in a perfect harmonious way it is called synchronicity it's when everything

comes together in a perfect flowing kind of way so to say that a tree is not able to to experience love is not true because if you are to sit there next to a tree while it's growing you go every day 5 hours a day and project love as much as you can into that tree that can guarantee scientifically will prove that that tree will grow more healthier and better