RONALDO - DE CARA COM O CARA #2

The CBF is not a beloved company in Brazil for me, this is a great shame, we want to win the World Cup, we want to pay homage to the Brazilian coach, these two experiences qualify you to be president of the CBF, for example, I really attribute the loss to my episode of the final, my school family, it was really a family, a club the size of Cruzeiro, completely in the second division, my CPF was on the line, I arrived in the dressing room, taking off my shirt, I said zagalo, I'm fine, I'm going to play a foreign coach today in the Brazilian team, it would be [Music] important the last time I woke up at this time was 94 just to know I was already finding it strange [Music] [Music] this here I did a lot for you, right it was also very useful, right I did a lot of fetching coffee for you, seeing you guys, truth, I saw [Music] the phenomenon And then, brother, thank you for being there, it's a pleasure to be able to welcome you here in my house so we can tell you some of these stories that you know better than I don't, they were never completely well told as it should be, feel free there, pleasure to be here with you, you know how much you influenced my career in my life, so doing this review with you here is really a source of pride, man, let me tell you, let's go back there in 94, we had the experience together of being four-time World champions, you were part of that group, you know more than anyone else what it's like to be a world champion, I wanted you to tell me a little about what that title meant to you from 94 to now and it influenced a lot in your story, especially as a football player on the field, it influenced a lot I always say that '94 was my college, right, even though I didn't play for a single minute, it was a phase in which I learned a lot in '9. Before, too, in preparation, all the bullying I suffered in preparation, but it was a wonderful time, hey, boy, Mega influenced by today's stars, you Bebeto, eh, and I was there, watching every step you took, watching how you behaved in the group, watching how you responded to the press, how you trained What kind of training was all this? I was watching and learning, you know, and even more so, you and Bebeto, who are two completely different personalities, but I learned a lot from both of them, and well, on the field, you made the best duo, perhaps one of the best Brazilian football duos of all time, and that college for me was fundamental because it also gave me the certainty that I was on the right path, making my choices, and wanting to grow, and experience that world cup, which is an event that I always dreamed of participating in, and getting there, and oh man.

being a champion with Idols together and having carried in my luggage all this learning I had there was spectacular, it was decisive in my career I've heard you say that there was a guy at the time of the World Cup who always asked you to serve you coffee [ __ ] bullied you, it's true, that's very true, it's you, especially, right, but others did it too, right, and that's how it was, it was healthy because there was a relationship that no longer exists in football nowadays, which is first of all, of absolute respect from the oldest guys in the group, right? it came from generations and generations before me Hey, after everything I suffered and learned, I replicated this also logically, right Normally, normal, but nowadays there isn't much of that, and even less respect, right, for the oldest guy in a group, for the story of a guy who achieved a lot, but like that, I did it sincerely with pleasure, I did it with pleasure, despite knowing it was bullying, I was there, fitting in, right, a 17-year-old boy arrives in a group of champions, he's just a beast and I understood that mine, my adaptation, my movement in that group had to be based on the humility of insertion, right, light and gradual , uh, I'm tired of picking up boots so you can clean your boots, bring coffee anyway, but it was worth it It was really worth it, it was very important, I think football teaches a lot, right man, it teaches a lot about the youth teams, coexistence, discipline, respect, right, dialogue, I think football is a school that we should go much deeper into in this sense and train more men, right, and more players too, because I think the two things have to go together in parallel. In fact, people, uh, only the football player comes and they understand that the football player knows more about those who earn the most, right, the most famous, but to get there, you have to work hard, right, and we worked a lot, right?

A lot, and we worked wrong, right, a lot of times, right, and when I say that you inspired me a lot and you shaped me to be what I was, and it's practical things because I saw you training a lot of times. with steak And you did those training sessions on the bike, ergometric, maximum power, you know, while all the guys were running in the field doing long distances and I And then a lot of the time people also didn't have the courage to argue with you about what to do or not And then it passed and with me I wasn't so intransigent, I didn't fight like that, but I wanted to convince you that doing a long distance run was bad for me and it was really bad for me Of course, I also knew that I needed some aerobic exercise to being able to compete And then I remember that, man, we trained for many years wrong, right, many years, and even in that As I said, you helped me in my career because after I realized what I really needed was specific training for my characteristics, then things started to evolve very quickly for me too because I started training explosive strength, speed, instead of running with Cafu or Roberto, you know, a long distance, which ended up being training that at that time, unfortunately, as you said, I trained incorrectly, right? physical trainers of our time understood that everyone had to do the same thing, they couldn't separate it and thank God today this football mentality has already changed another thing that I wanted to know from you tell an interesting story from 944 that you ah that you remember a story off the field that maybe few people know about you like that folks Wow, I have hundreds I have a lot of memory of 94 and one that is very good related to us too because I think Parreira wanted to test something with three strikers eh and the press was wanting that And then you came to me one day and said man you have to play brother the gap is there when you talk you have to be tougher so I went and they put me there to give an interview and I spoke with all due respect and I said that Parreira is the one in charge and that I was there to help if he needed it then when I went back to the hotel, right for the review you took me to the corner and scolded me, man man, you have to say that you want to play, there's no point in fussing over it, coach you know, you have to say that you want to play [ __ ] man and that was also marked for me because you also gain position off the field, right?

It's not just in training and you gain in your behavior in what you say in your ambition and that was also marked in my life like that, but 17 years 17 years we highlight a lot of things, a lot of things I look back 17 years man we don't know [ __ ] none, right man we don't know anything man and and with that pressure from the whole world on up, right man, we went up, we grew up very quickly, right, and sometimes we didn't have that evolution, you know, as a man to deal with all the problems and situations of everyday life, pressure, press and fans, anyway, it's a lot for 17 years, for example yours, your first World Cup was in 94 with 17, mine had been in 90 and when I played in 94 and we won, I had the negative experience of having lost in 90 and you were the opposite, in 94 you won and in 98 you you lost this is the feeling of this loss of this world cup of course football is decided in those minutes there the 90 minutes or more or the penalties Who is the champion but that team in your understanding it was prepared to be champion champion was I eh was prepared to be champion in 98 but I really attribute the loss to my episode of the final I don't think that if I had 100% it would be difficult for us to lose and most likely I must have influenced other players to have the performance is weaker , lower because of what happened to me because it was like that in front of everyone And that affected the group a little bit, but I think that in football, we learn very early to win, to lose, too, so it's much more traumatic for the fans, right, for those who don't live in the world of the sport, than for the player, logically, in a world cup final, no one wants to lose, right, it's a bigger event, the biggest game is the game of life, but we're prepared to lose too, and we learn to lose, we accept defeat, right? lose and you have to know how to accept these defeats to try to improve what didn't go well and that's exactly in 98 I had this opportunity to be with you too I ended up being cut and many people ask me what happened to Ronaldo in that final and how it couldn't be any different I never really tried to find out in depth what happened I wanted to know what happened in general on that fateful day, we had lunch on the day of the game I think it was noon and then I went to Roberto Carlos' room too and I had a I have a habit of always shaving my head on the day of the game And then I went to the bathroom I shaved my head, took a shower and went to bed, I never went to bed, I don't remember anymore and I wake up I think I regain consciousness about 3 minutes later and then they told me that I had had a seizure lasting approximately 30 40 seconds, it's a seizure that then we did a series of tests on the day and after the World Cup here in Rio de Janeiro I went to look for the cause and we found absolutely nothing. as if nothing had happened to me, maybe it's the normal stress, you know, of a world cup final and a young man of 20, 1, 22 years old and And then I think that was it, oh well [Music] Joaquim da Mata who was the doctor and Lídio Toledo and the general practitioner and the doctor [Music] eh, they already condemned me for not being able to play and I said man there has to be some way for me to be able to play I want to do the tests to guarantee my health, let's do the exam because I have to do it anyway on the day of the game around 2 o'clock 3 o'clock in the afternoon then I went to a hospital in Paris I did all the tests and then everything was perfect it wasn't as if nothing had happened, no cause was found, no problem and I was quite sore because a seizure is like a seizure 10 times more powerful And then I was feeling like a muscle pain, right ?

I was feeling much better and now, you get to the World Cup final, you're not worried about your health, you want to play, you want to go there and win, you don't want to know if there's a risk, even more so as we went to the hospital and we did all the tests to see if everything was ok and if we had any risks and I arrived in the dressing room, taking off my shirt, I said Zagalo, I'm fine, I'm going to play, the tests are all perfect and Zagalo bought my fight and then we played very badly, we played very badly and If you analyze the game coldly, man, we conceded two goals from Zidan's corner and scored a header that we had never scored before, the third was a counterattack that we were already desperate, trying everything we could to get there, but we didn't have a chance at any point in the game, also to attack the French team, I think it was something, I believe in destiny and that that was really what should have happened and it was just very tough, right? It was tough, wasn't it, was it too difficult? Ronaldo, now coming to the club, you started at São Cristovo Cruzeiro, after Cruzeiro it was PSV and Barcelona.

I also followed this trajectory, this beginning of your career outside of Brazil, it gave you a lot of experience, it gave you more willingness to be what you were what you are for football until today, so in my specific case, you understand that I really inspired you in these two clubs that you spent a lot of time with , and this is another thing that you inspired me because it was the way, right, because the European championships in the past were much tougher. than they are today, right, we had an Italian championship, which was the best championship in the world, the Spanish one fought there, but was considered the second Premier League, it was weak, right, and there were other countries where it served as an adaptation, a lighter championship for you to adapt to the climate, culture, speed of the game And then man, when the proposal appeared and I think that this path I have to be very fair and grateful because you opened these doors for hundreds of Brazilians after they did this same route and it was very good it was the perfect choice, first going to Holland to adapt to European football and then a bigger challenge like Barcelona I followed in your footsteps and eh [Music] understanding that it was a necessity of growth, a path that I had to follow in order to reach the top and not go directly, you know, nowadays we see a lot of young players going straight to Real Madrid, straight to Barcelona. I think it's independent of the athlete's potential.

I think the player needs to have a gradual growth curve for him so he can last longer. In fact, PSV is a big team in world football, but in our case, specifically, it served as a laboratory, right, for us to learn some things, so we can have the experience of living in Europe before arriving at a team the size of Barcelona was our case and you, in Barcelona's case, there were 47 goals in 49 games and at that moment it was a record that you were there, including mine, which I had said there that I would score 30 goals, this performance of yours at Barcelona, ​​in your understanding of your career, it was there that you, like, man, I managed to do it here at Barcelona, ​​I'll be able to do what I want at any other club, like that, more or less, that's what went through your head, man, it was a lot of you, that wasn't a lot of you, you had a lot of influence at that time and I arrived in the Netherlands saying that I I was going to score 30 goals like you didn't even say and you went and did it and then I arrived at Barcelona saying that I was going to do it and it was going to happen just like you did and it happened eh It's funny because after that, I didn't feel so confident about doing it, you know, I also reached a time when I said I was going to be the best player in the world but I didn't have any idea what I was saying, I only said it because you said it and I thought that was what I saw you say too, it's funny but that It also helped me to form my character because it helped me to be more determined, more disciplined, it helped me to focus on my goals, in the Netherlands, living in the Netherlands is not an easy thing for Brazilians, right, when November comes, December, January, man, it's very cold and in the past there wasn't heating in the stadiums, much less on the pitch that we have nowadays, right, how many times haven't you played ? our determination, I think it was fundamental, Barcelona really is an incredible club, right man, it's an incredible club , a spectacular city, but I think they've had a huge management problem for a long time, right, man, the choices, right?

I think the treatment we received at Barcelona and I say it for all of us Brazilians who went there, right, you were the first one to finish, you left in a bad fight, then I left there in a fight ooo eh Rivaldo left Thank you Ronaldinho left Thank you Neymar left thank you look look at the history that Barcelona created with so many Brazilians successful but in the end the relationship deteriorated and ended very badly but in your opinion today Barcelona continues with bad management I think it's not bad management but key moments eh I think there are decisions that are not what most people expect I for example had a spectacular year at Barcelona we reached an agreement to renew the contract we signed the contract 5 days later they free say we won't be able to fulfill it we won't be able to renew it we are freeing you to negotiate with whoever you want and man that For me, it was such a punch in the chest, man, I was loving the city, it's incredible, I was adapted, I had scored a hell of a goal, the team was going to get better, I was going to have reinforcements and I just wasn't afraid of a challenge And then Inter Milan came along and bought me and the move to the Italian championship, eh, that This time is a huge change in style of play, right man, in Italy the markers are tougher, there are a lot of teams that play man-to-man marking all over the field, there's always a Libero and in Spain it's that game that we like the most with the defender line where we infiltrate and win with speed, we make mistakes in some movement in Italy man, you're going to get some water and the defender goes after you and it's more difficult, it's not that it's impossible, it's not impossible to score a goal but it was more difficult but I think the preparation like me I said before PSV saw it and then take a big step like Barcelona and Inter, I think that this learning I advise when I talk to younger players to always take this type of step like this, first a bigger step then the steps increase and then you create a solid career, right, than you take a bigger step than your legs Ronaldo 2002 five-time world champion and the team was called the school family team and what can you say about that phrase school family was really a family that team I think the entire champion team is he part of the group's values, I remember that when I make a comparison between 94 and 2002, I see the same values ​​in a group, right? We had great leaders in 94, in 2002 we also had great leaders in the group and especially Felipão, who commanded very well, protected the players from certain situations against the press, in short, he shielded us well, but I think that in addition to technical capacity and decision-making on the field, I think it's very important that the group is really united and United doesn't mean that the guys have to be best friends there, it's not that if they are good friends and have a good relationship it's better but it doesn't necessarily need that, each one needs to know what you have to do, what the other has to do, what you can deliver what you can't, and respect, right, this movement within a group, and trusting each other, knowing that, if I lose the ball here, there will be a guy back there who will recover it for me, and, if I score a goal there, I know that back there, the guys will hold on. I also think it's a lot of that Man, I see a lot of these values ​​when comparing winning teams like that, right?

I think the environment in the Brazilian team has always been very good and it's easy, it's a light environment, right, even to this day, it still is, but what I think is missing in today's team, I think what's really missing is this commitment from everyone there to understand each person has a role and everyone does their best to play their role and it's a curiosity Ronaldo existed in that 2002, of course, I ended up not being called up. attributes this exclusively to the coach who is the one in charge and the one who summons and recalls him but hey there was this request from some players did you hear anything related to this that for the schoolboy I didn't have any Cap D no no absolutely no player movement that I know of no I may have had something individual something else in terms of group absolutely no not because I was also one of the last to arrive too, right I didn't play any game in the qualifiers for 2002, I had that serious injury, right, I had the knee shot and I was in a friendly match two months ago during the World Cup where I was called up I played well afterwards I was called up for the World Cup but during that I can't say during the qualifier because I wasn't there but during the World Cup we were already there the group was already closed you hadn't been called up but I remember one time when I disturbed Felipão too, right And then one of the training sessions and he was forcing all the players to put on shin guards, nonsense so looking back you laugh NE then I didn't put on my shin guards and I put a half up and he was looking at me and noticed that I was n't wearing a shin guard so he stopped training and he gave me an esor from [ __ ] he said Wow I didn't call up Romário but his spirit came in Ronaldo's body from [ __ ] let me ask you the question I had a place on that team there was ol any selection put any team you will have a place I think I would play in whose place Oh that's it but like that but it's the kind of thing I'll never do, it's be a coach because imagine having a problem like that, it's also complicated, but hey, man, he's a good player. with a good player in any situation man and just let them go and they understand each other, right?

That happened to me on several occasions. Well, we barely trained, and when we were in the national team, we played like music and you, man, we never lost a game in the national team, man, it's true, and it's not that we had the greatest rapport in the world, right, but we looked at each other, we understood each other, I think a good player always has to play . Milan Real Madrid and then Corinthians and the teams you played for What is the best team in your opinion that you played so much in the teams joining the national team is also b I think the 2002 team gave me the feeling that we could win any game at any time it gave me security, right ?

it gave an incredible balance underneath and the guys arrived at the front as wingers and hey, this team gave me the feeling that it could beat any team of those teams that you played for, in your opinion, who was the best player you played for in the teams without being part of the team ? the worst worst worst player man there's a lot of you can remember a little like that there's a lot in the national team and General man but there were a lot of players are you crazy there wasn't one at Real Madrid who was a joke that the one who was grav in midfield is Danish Danish I remember and he was a really cool guy as hell good people this guy just a little while ago he won a 50 Million Dollar soccer tournament something like that but in football he was really bad he scored he did. beat up for [ __ ] but tell me one thing I'm not going to call the worst because we're talking about Brazilians who had the least technical ability who played with you in the Brazilian team man B there were people there were People too, right Amaral Amarol wasn't crazy with the ball, he wasn't, but he ran, right, but he ran, he caught everything, he caught them, he recovered 10 balls and delivered nine It's true and the best of all that you played for the national team throughout your career, I'm going to leave you, I'm not going to put you in this Crossroads man B you and the gaucho I think it was Ronaldinho and you in the team you played a lot it was a level much higher much higher thank you for me it's an honor to know that and another thing talking about current affairs let's go to the Brazilian team and this protagonism of Neymar in the Brazilian team that we can't escape from that do you think that this is important for the team to have a positive result from now on especially to be and champion next year I think that Neymar is very important for the Brazilian team and Well, physically, which was also the case when we played, if we were good, we were always decisive, but the team is experiencing structural problems, aren't they serious, isn't it?

I think Neymar, he also, in some way, makes up for the problems of our football, our industry, our command, Nemar is a figure who inspires young people, he is a figure who on the field, he has a lot of personality, he takes risks, he tries, he isn't afraid of taking a beating, he has a goal, I'm really rooting for him to come back, come back well, and then if he does well, I think the the team finds a good direction, understands that the team this team today with Neymar The way it plays the way it plays it has the conditions to be world champion, before I answer you, it's because the next one in 94 there was a Romário I was there the team played for me automatically also for Bebeto in 2002 you were there and there was Rivaldo there was Ronaldo in that team we talk about a probable Neymar who can make a difference that we don't know because of what has been happening physically with him and there is Vini who is today our great player within this logic, how do you understand the Brazilian team in the next World Cup, I understand that it does have to start from a pillar, right? I think that Neymar is an important pillar, Vinícius Júnior, beginning, Júnior is also an important pillar, so we already have two great players, we have to start from there, we have to find a way for the team to play for them so that they have the responsibility too, but that they are freer to do or perform what they do in the clubs, right, Vinício, what he plays for Real Madrid is crazy, what he does for Real Madrid is very different to the national team, right , he can't perform like that in the national team, but then I I ask you, his positioning of the national team is better, his performance of the national team, which is very different from that of Real Madrid, you have a lot to do with the coach , I think it's 100% coach 100% coach, man, the coach in my head and he can't invent something crazy, right ? in the national team, right?

I think this is a problem of positioning or, I don't know, of behavior, but I think it depends a lot on the coach. I saw that there was a moment when, before Dinis took over the team, there was the possibility of Ancelot going to the national team and I heard and read you saying that it would really be a great solution for the Brazilian team, in other words, independent of Lancelote's, do you understand that a foreign coach today in the Brazilian team would be important? Look, I don't want to go into the merits of nationality, you know why?

Because this is starting to change. a conversation of even xenophobia because it's football, football, we want to win the World Cup, we want to pay tribute to the Brazilian coach, eh, I think Brazilian coaches are two steps below the World level . evolving and our characteristics are of game which has always been dribbling and going forward having the ball at the foot controlling the game I think we have stood still a bit in time both in terms of speed and in terms of player characteristics today you face a German team for example oh the guys are 1.

90 and the guys are Fast as not even a 1. 70 m guy they are strong they are and Technically the European has improved a lot that is work that is development right man because we dominated the world football for many years and now it's time for us to have enough to understand how we are being surpassed it's no wonder we don't win the World Cup It's because something we're doing wrong what do you think of Abel coach of Palmeiras who happens to be Portuguese I think he's a very good coach I think he's very coherent I think it's incredible Including the patience and the fights he has in the press because man we have to evolve as a whole it's not just the coach and we hire foreign coaches who come here and do well for us. we have to know how to admit and understand why it's going well, what this guy is doing well because he's having these results, and we don't, we start to question Vitória's, you know, his methods, but I think it's a fact that the football industry has to improve in every way, journalists, right?

In fact, those who have personality are always suffering, right? comparison in relation to you that you understand that no it's not too early it's too early and responsible any guy did this to me too 17 years old comparing me to Pelé this is very irresponsible and that in the mind of the 16 year old boy 17 years old man it's really moving, right man it's moving a lot and I think that's why the growth of our industry comes not only from players, coaches, commission and physiology but also part of that of the Press sports also understand the need for evolution the need to also discuss football in a deep way uh with criteria with with basis right it's not just oh he played badly he's out of position or hey it was a shame today I see things on the internet on YouTube journalist criticizing analyzing the game that's all man it's just aggressiveness shouting and no one exactly discusses football What's important what's important two players today are Brazilians regardless of whether they play in Brazil or abroad that in your opinion they would have to be in the team there is something specific to Brazil that you understand that I would have to give more opportunities, no, I think that's how it is, I look at the latest squads and the last World Cups. I think that the coach who was or is currently calling the best Brazilians in the world, I think that the choices and the names, one or two could come in, I can't tell you who exactly, but I don't think from Brazil , none of them, but I think the names are those.

Dude, we have some paintings and one of them is La Note, I love it And of course, everyone knows that you really enjoyed the night, right, even at a certain point in your life, I'm sure even more than I am, there's a story, there's a story, that you can tell us that happened to you, together with me, in Bolivia, at the real Copa América, but it's a true story, it's very good, this story is fantastic, Copa América, right, 97, and then, calm down, you go, call me, I see, I'm coming, let's go, I said, let's go, let's go. take me behind the hotel, like, a hotel like three floors and a wall against the wall, then you lean your back like this on the wall of the hotel and your foot on the wall and then you go up like this on the other side there was a staircase from the stairs you turned to the other side there was another one and there was already an exit and there was a taxi waiting and then we go, I don't know where and come back the next day I train badly as hell I train like that dead dead Romário flying you flying in training and then I said man I'm never going to do that again in mine career and And then I did it again later but once or twice more and then never again outside of the field What was your time of year when you flew man during the time in Madrid we said that Madrid [Music] was the most lively city in Europe in those years from 2002 to 2007 so we broke Madrid in the middle I didn't visit Madrid I got to know Barcelona a lot and you too I thought Barcelona was like that in terms of nightlife [ __ ] which was nothing like it until today I I don't know today, but I'm talking about that time , that night, that time in Barcelona at night, it was incredible, it's not the two best like that, and Madrid, but at that time in Madrid, it was like that, my house had a condominium that had my house there, Roberto Carlos, there was Beckam, I don't know who there, gathered everyone together in a house that already had the bar, a little flashing light, smoke, that whole thing, and the crowd arrived, and so we hardly ever really went out to party, you know, the party was more at home and the party went home. restaurant and house, house, right, but let me tell you, remember a story of ours in Bolivia in that same competition where we left, we left training, we were on the bus, there were some girls from college who were Stopped at the traffic light and there was one who looked at you, you looked at her and so on.

In short, you made an appointment and we ended up stopping at their apartment and that's what you said, I don't know if you remember exactly where you said it was me who called you, I was the daughter of [ __ ] No, that was another, it was another, it was another, but this see this story we had received I think the animal was also from some game in Vitória and everyone was there with bundles of money and these I think the aprot was like this, we have money but we don't have time, it was horrible, man like that in the World Cup and in 94 that we played and in the 2 two that you played, is there a story like that about you outside of the field the night you went around there [Music] um I can only remember the da da da of the hotel security, right Moses no Moisés, no, the hotel security guard, oh, Ronaldão, Ronaldão, that was good, that was very good, but I think it's unpublishable, it can't be published , right ? Today, without a doubt, Madrid, well, I'm in love with Madrid and Madrid has a nightlife with restaurants and it's been a long time since I've been to a club and not to say that I don't go, I go in the middle of the year when it's July and August holidays, I have a casin in Ibisa that I go to every year for a long time and every year and there's a place that I really like, which is DC10, which is always a Monday and I go to this one almost every Monday in the European summer, but during the year I hardly go. My life is really packed, but hey, I went a lot, I went a lot in all of them, I think, but Madrid always stood out.

London was also very cool, Paris. You've lived in São Paulo for how many years have I lived in São Paulo? Since I went to Corinthians, then I left, I think about 3 years or 4 years, I think I'm good and I've been back, but I've been here since 2009, that was a good moment for Corinthians, there was a moment in your life when you had to come to Flamengo and When you started training at Flamengo, many people said that you would play for Flamengo and then you ended up going to Corinthians and it frustrated you.

You have a kind of frustration of not having played for your favorite team, which is Flamengo . I was passing by saying good morning, good morning bye bye and man and evolution like that, good, you know, evolving well physically, I could already see that something could come out and it wasn't absolutely money that I needed, it wasn't anything so much that I signed a risky contract with Corinthians and then things got better and then I, of course, also renegotiated and so on, but so there were no face-to-face conversations with anyone from Flamengo and I met the guys every day because I trained there. Flamengo opened the doors of the club to I train and recover from the injury And man, there was never any conversation, no invitation, nothing for PR ep I also, you know, I have my pride, you know, and then I don't know why Corinthians found out about my progress and Andrs came and we closed and it was very quick but I was very frustrated that I didn't play for Flamengo And I thought that already training there it would be much easier, right, I was already cutting the corner, right, because, right, the guys were coming and it ended up not happening and Ronaldo is the next thing you would want to be.

president of the CBF Look, I think the world of football is taking me to be understood. I think that in the future, in the future, at some point, this will happen. I had a very tough experience with Cruzeiro, despite it being the short and most successful administrative experience in my life, and I had a lot of wear and tear and I'm still recovering, months after I sold it, but I'm still recovering from all the wear and tear I suffered and the risk I took, also because a club the size of Cruzeiro is completely bankrupt in the second division, my CPF at stake covering a debt of a be 200 that I don't have that money I didn't have, so it was a risk that I took very, very high and, of course, the sale operation was a success, it was very good, it was a very good financial blow, but I think it was very deserved because we really saved the club, Cruzeiro, from disappearing, right, man, because and you could draw a parallel because you were the CEO of two big clubs, Cruzeiro and I'm going to admire it in your opinion, eh, what was different taking care of these two clubs It's two clubs of different proportions, vadoli is a more discreet club, right, a city of 400,000 inhabitants and Cruzeiro, and that is to say, and Valad Oli, with a smaller investment capacity, right, a team that will fight there to avoid falling, maybe it will, right, If it's a year, it's great to win a UEFA Cup, something like that, Cruzeiro is already a Grande Cruzeiro club, the pressure is greater, the mass of fans is greater, culturally, Cruzeiro historically carried, you know, an association structure where they dominated the club and had sporting success, but administratively it was always chaos, eh, but it was very cool, it was very cool to have done the Cruzeiro because I had a Moral debt with the big club because when I left Cruzeiro I went to PSV And I thought I still had some Moral debt with the club I think I pay off this moral debt because of what I did with Cruzeiro now these two experiences you had Cruzeiro eoli in your understanding these two experiences qualify you to be a president of the CBF for example I also think that it is the fact that you are demonstrably prepared to carry out efficient management eh I think that Brazilian football has a lot of things to improve, there are a lot of things, our entire industry has to improve, eh, I think we've been at a standstill for many, many years, with little or almost no investment .

responsibility of the CBF, I think the CBF overburdens itself a lot with the Brazilian Championship, right, with the administration, uh, of the judges and referees, right, I think we have little investment in the referees, I think there are a number of things that [Music] uh, we can do. The CBF is not a beloved company in Brazil for me, that's a great shame, right, a huge waste, that's right, the CBF had to be the most beloved company in Brazil and if one day I get to compete for something for CBF this will be my objective of making football be this transformative agent in Brazil we don't see the CBF's social project we don't see any investment like that so I think it's such a huge potential And logically I would love to be able to help repay everything I received from football with a historic management like that at CBF anyway I think we have to say the credibility of Brazilian football outside of Brazil is getting less and less representation abroad and it doesn't exist and there are a series of things that I think I could contribute a lot [Music] eh, in the case of being president of the CBF, it's Flamengo or Corinthians hell Corinthians Barça Real Madrid best coach of your career um zagalo worst coach of your career Cooper Cooper Hector Cooper that you regret doing ah a lot of things a lot of things there's nothing specific but I think I accept everything as part of growth even what you didn't do during your career and would like to have done Oh I did everything I wanted a career with a better nine shirt or at your level you saw you play, thank you, although I liked 11, right, you tried to confuse everyone, but you were always a nine, now let's get into Ronaldo 's shirt. I enjoyed it a lot and I know that you have many fans around the world and you can be sure that I am one more and your participation in this program here has something for me, very important, I'm even moved, thank you for participating, I am president of the AM mecão Clube here, traditional in Rio de Janeiro, meão and I couldn't help but give you a gift here with this shirt that has my name on the back, I'm sure you will keep it with great affection.