Elon Musk-Alice Weidel Full Conversation: Tesla CEO speaks to German far-right party AfD chief

uh welcome Alice uh thank you for joining spaces and uh I look forward to this discussion and um perhaps we could start by uh outlining if you could outline what uh afd's platform is uh what are the the main things you're aiming for where does Germany need change and just to educate people who have um never heard of uh afd or IFD if it be German um and uh a lot of people especially in Amica have um never heard of afd so perhaps this would be very helpful okay thank you very much Elan for having

me and um to give this opportunity to to openly speak about um uh different matters let me uh just can you hear me I can yes perfect perfect um to start with um who we are um the afd is uh the alternative for Germany it is a relatively new party um founded 11 years ago uh during the course of U the um the Euro um um um problems um so um unfortunately I have to start uh when I shed some light on our party with the quiet negative circumstances um in Germany our country is a

great country with highly motivated people but our country um has been governed not in a proper way within the last 20 25 years um we had the Angela Merkel Administration for 16 years and then the so-called traffic light Coalition that imploded last year and now we heading elections um in my point of view uh Angela Merkel the first green Chancellor um she ruined basically our country she enforced without asking the people she enforced to open our borders for illegal immigration in 2015 she wrecked and destroyed our uh Backbone in terms of energy policy um for

um the foreign uh listeners here in this audience um Germany is the only industrial country the only industrial country that um um unpluged the nuclear power plan so the aim of Angela Merkel um was to um to enforce just solar and wind energy and you don't need to be very smart um to encounter that you cannot run a industrial country with just wind and solar because you don't have any energy and electricity when the sun doesn't shine and when the wind doesn't blow and this is a major problem yeah I mean obviously I'm a big

fan of of energy but um clearly if if somebody if a country is at a very high latitude then the amount of solar um Power in the winter is going to be substantially reduced um and of course there's a significant difference in the day night cycle of energy usage um so a lot of it a lot of power can be done with solar and with large scale grid energy batteries but it must be supplemented with other forms of power um because uh there's not a lot of sunshine in the middle of winter in Germany um

so uh it it the solution obviously must be a multifaceted solution uh where there is certainly Renewables but also um that that there does need to be some form some amount of fossil fuel energy and and and especially nuclear I think nuclear is very much underrated I was I think it was a tragic for Dom to shut down the nuclear power plants um in fact they're they're very welld designed and I think the the right move uh is in fact to increase the amount of nuclear power substantially in Germany this would be um this would

be great um and and yes absolutely yeah yes absolutely um so that was the reason why I wanted to shed some light on the current situation so in order to form a opinion what our party stand for because this is exactly what you said um we stand for a energy energy Supply diversification we cannot run a a industrial country like Germany with a strong still strong manufacturing uh base um to tell you the truth um our manufacturing production um it peaked in 2018 and it plummeted since then due to high energy costs and you cannot

run a country like that so therefore we we say look we need to be technology open and we need to reinforce again nuclear power plants because nuclear energy Supply is um is carbon free right so therefore we would also yeah we would also reduce our carbon footprint which is uh obnoxiously very very high and this is the entire irony about it so our governments like the Angela Merkel government and the so-called ridiculous traffic light Coalition they enforced a green policy upon our country that doesn't work yeah and yeah and we would like to go back

to technology openness here yeah I think that makes a lot of sense I mean my recommendation and I've said this publicly before is that Germany should not merely reopen the nuclear power plants but substantially increase the um the power generation the the um you don't with on in the same space meaning without increasing the the size of the nuclear power plant uh in any meaningful way without increasing the amount of land area that it uses you can dramatically increase the power output of a nuclear power station because the the actual core part of the power

station is extremely tiny people don't quite realize just how small the center core of a nuclear power plant is um it's it's like yes amazingly tiny and so you can actually in the same land area no increased land area dramatically increase the amount of nuclear power that U that that any given nuclear power station is producing um you do need a a water source for um for the to run the steam turbines but uh but but really far more power output is possible than than people realize um and I I think that the sensible solution

is uh you know Renewables but with with a a lot of nuclear and then uh you know to supplement uh where that there there has to be some amount of uh hydrocarbon power generation to to supplement where yes yeah just it just needs to be sensible yeah absolutely but uh um do you know what so just just uh just let me uh do just like one more example because um like like um like wind turbines wind energy in comparison to nuclear power uh Supply is highly inefficient also uh in terms of land use so for

instance I give one example just to shed some light on it if you were to replace one nuclear power plant let's say like one like Mand nuclear power plant here in Germany with an annual electricity production of 10 billion kilowatt per hour with modern wind turbines with a production of just 8 million kilowatt per hour per year you would need 1,250 wind turbines just to just to replace this one power plant and with a rotor diameter of 70 M and the minimum distance from large Wind forms um you end up around with like 100 square

kilometers for example this corresponds to half of the city major city of stutgart right right so uh so this this entire thing and uh just to just to uh just to stress the fact again you don't need to be uh very smart just to do your calculations but our our energy that's the crazy thing the crazy thing is is like like a bunch of these these these energy questions um you do not need to be like like a world leading physicist it's very basic math like high less than High School level math I'd say middle

school math even um it's it's very straightforward uh not not complicated yes absolutely and then during during the uh crisis like during the war H sorry no please go ahead yeah so uh during the war of Ukraine so um our our um our um gas supply was just destroyed and that um actually shed some light on our in uh so on our severe dependence on Russian gas and do you know what what the government decided in this crisis when the energy prices Skyrock after we were cut off of uh of of uh of cheap energy

Supply from Russia they switched off the last nuclear power plant to even more create a um a shortage of energy yeah so either you must be very stupid or you just hate your own country isn't it I think it's mostly the very stupid category um at least I'd like to think so very stupid I mean there's there's old saying that like one should never ascribe to malice that which can easily be explained by incompetence um yes you're perfectly be right no um but yes I I I actually when I saw that Germany was turning off

the power plants after being cut off from gas supplies you know from Russia I thought this is the crazy this is one of the craziest things I've ever seen just just when Germany most needs electricity Germany is shutting down one of the best sources of electricity which is nuclear power crazy and completely carbon free yeah crazy crazy it's crazy so so I I guess um to summarize the I mean the the two main things that uh uh afd is aiming for U in terms of change is uh a sensible um uh energy policy um and

uh sensible immigration policy yes exactly so but but actually even more so we would like so um if I if if I may continue a little bit because now it's a it's a el it's a complete new situation for me um that um that I just can have a normal conversation and I'm not interrup rupted or negatively framed um how that has been um in the media the case in the last 10 years which is completely ridiculous so um um what we what we also stand for since we are a conservative libertarian party so at

least we see ourselves like this but we are extremely negatively framed as a so-called extremist Party by the uh mainstream media so we just say look uh we need to reduce bureaucracy we need to free our our firms our companies the individuals of the abnoxious um um bureaucratic um um conditions here do you know like how long it takes how many days it takes to get a business permit in Germany just as as it turns out I do because we built oh yeah the big plan Weil a gigantic Car Factory uh you know just um

near Berlin so we had uh many many challenges I mean this is to be clear like we actually had a lot of support a lot of local support a lot of local support from from from the the local government from the national government and and despite all that support just the sheer number of rules that Bure you know the people in in the government are required to follow um is completely crazy um and and we we we had to I think it was 25,000 Pages was our permit um and and it had to be it

had to be all printed on paper yes 20 I think maybe more than that 25,000 and then there has to be many many copies made so it literally was a truck of paper um because we're like surely we can make this electronic you know shouldn't isn't that better for that everyone no not possible you need to have that on paper and they say no it has to be paper I'm like this is crazy um this is only a few years ago it's not the distant past I mean it's it's like we're you know we're well

into the we're we're we're you know a quarter of the way through the 21st century it's like guys let's just 25,000 actual printed pages and then I believe every page needed to be stamped with a physical stamp um I mean honestly it's going to really Tire somebody out to do so much stamping yeah um you know they're G to get some sort of repetitive stress injury yeah they're GNA get a repetitive stress injury from having to stamp so many just send up to the hospital or something I mean that's that's too much yeah um so

uh I'm not trying to blame the the sort of individuals who are doing this T because they are just following the rules so we have to change the rules and and there needs to be um I think in my view for for you know all countries but especially countries that have enjoyed prosperity for a long time it is extremely important to have have what I call sort of garbage collection of rules which is to reexamine the the rules and regulations U and and make sure that that they are clearly a net good and and if

there's any doubt about them being a net good we should eliminate them because otherwise we get to this point where everything is illegal and uh so it's just absolutely crazy absolutely absolutely and it's not only about bureaucracy it's also about taxes Germany has the highest taxes yes of all oecd countries so um so the normal German employee he works half of more than half of a year for the state you have to imagine that right like like uh with taxes plus Social Security um so more than half of the year you work for this um

dysfunctioning State because like the state uh does not provide the vital um the vital Provisions for the people here so um he doesn't provide for security so we have like like skyrocketing criminal rights here right um um he doesn't care about education so we have this same um insane Vish leftish socialist agenda uh in our educational system so the young people they don't learn anything in school um in University um um Etc so they just learn about gender studies are you serious and they just yeah no really I was under I was under the impression

that Germany had a had a pretty good education system that uh that was quite rigorous with you know the gymnasium and all that sort of stuff at least it used to at one point um so um but it sounds like this has uh I don't know the work mine virus has infected Germany quite badly yeah yeah um so you have the the international standard of Pisa testing right so the Pisa survey right so uh Germany like a couple of years ago was okay scored okay scored okay but now so we so we just plummeted because

because uh the survey showed that young people are not able uh to properly do math or speak or write German and in some like in some states here in Germany you have to imagine they just abolished the writing grades uh in terms uh to get um um the uh language grade right so you don't need to write German properly anymore because our entire educational system has been deteriorating and that is also um the the reason for instance why young people they vote for uh for us now because they want to have a proper education and

they want to have back a proper educ educational system that um um that um that um provides the young people with uh with capabilities and that is also the reason why I uh so my personal opinion is that we have to go back to a merit based system right so we need to go back to a merit based incentive system uh and go away from all this socialist gender things um um being in our educational system right the families and the parents they have the responsibility of their children and the schools and the university they

have the responsibility U to give good education and that uh and not all this Vogue socialist nonsensical gender stuff sure uh no absolutely um I mean the whole point of going to school is to learn uh useful skills that uh help you in life um help you be productive and understand the world um and uh otherwise it's not a school it's it's a it's just a propaganda institution true yeah so um okay well I mean that makes makes a lot of sense um so let's see yeah so so maybe maybe I can just um go

on because I I was um I I was just giving an example of the educational system uh where where the state fails because because because our state the government collected the last year um a record high of income tax so um they col they collected like around like above one um one trillion right um of Euros so it is a record high tax but the state they cannot they cannot handle taxpayers money so what do they do so they just uh um um throw throw the money out of the window for uh for uh for

immigration in our social system for instance so since 2015 just to give you some numbers and also the audience to have to have an idea what's going on here in Germany so we had an influx um um of um of almost 7 million people 7 million people but these are the officially counted so um s million people wow okay a lot s million people of influx since 2015 officially counted and then uh because the people they just just another funny numbers our state allows people to throw away their passports before they cross our our borders

that are not protected and controlled so 57% almost 60% of the people coming into our country on through a open border they throw away their papers why do they do that because once entered our country our funny country with this funny immigration policy they cannot be deported anymore so that's the reason why so our state our government like um the Angela government and the last one they proclaimed a policy that everyone can choose to cross our border to immigrate into our social security system and cannot be deported afterwards because they threw away their passports I

mean like how how insane is that well it is very insane but that's exactly what's happened in the US um so I mean clearly there there's you know there's a sort of uh I don't know uh sort of a far-left agenda that's being pushed uh throughout uh Western Civilization any any place they can go because the exact the exact same thing was done in the US where uh and now they you're sort of calling people illegal immigrants they call them undocumented and the reason they're undocumented is because they threw away their passport just like you're

talking about they in fact if on the on the Mexican side of the Border in the US there's a giant pile of of discarded uh passports and driver's licenses like a huge pile um because it's actually worse to come in with a passport than to come in with nothing um and then uh just like in Germany the the the Democrat government uh then gives um massive amounts of uh money uh and support to what they call undocumented but but then but if they're undocumented we actually have no idea if they are a murderer rapist we

have no idea because they they have no documents so we can't actually tell and so as a result uh there have been there's been a massive influx of of criminals into the US uh because and frankly I I mean I'm wondering what's taking criminals so long to come here I mean this is a t i mean America is a target Rich environment it's it's it's you know the you can in America it's so easy to steal things uh in these wealthy neighborhoods it's like the only thing that is is going to slow down how much

you can steal is is is if your back hurs from carrying out all the goods you know it's like CU you're just like a it's you're not a robber you're just a moving company um so uh you know like it seems like all the world's criminals just come to America on that basis um because it's a such an it's much easier to be a career criminal in America than it is in in other countries where there's not that much to steal um so um you know so we've seen a massive increase in crime in in

the US yeah yeah may I uh may I ask a question on so I read I read that for instance in California um by the way I'm very sorry what's happening there it's terrible it's really terrible to see um and um yeah it's terrible but um in the case of California that um they just lifted um um uh the the the prosecution of theft because you have so many cases of theft is it true um yes it the the deao situation um in California is that uh theft is almost never prosecuted it's maybe one or

two maybe 1% of the time uh is is theft prosecuted um and uh and even when it is prosecuted the that the criminals are let out on bail immediately so basically theft is legal in California it's crazy um it's crazy yeah um now there was recently a referendum in uh in California to uh to make to make crime to to make stealing illegal again which was an actually that was very popular and it passed uh uh so um because it it was actually literally legal to steal anything under $1,000 which means people could just walk

into a store at $1,000 at a time and take out anything they want and if this if the storekeeper stopped them the storekeeper would be arrested um so this is literally like the Joker and Batman it's like the the criminals you know um are in charge and the the honest citizens are arrested it's just completely insane now like you said the the the people in California did vote overwhelmingly to make theft illegal again um but but um astonishingly the governor of California uh Governor um Nome he was in against the making theft illegal uh which

is doesn't make any sense yeah well well but what what they're going to do is even though it is technically illegal again um they the the sort of far-left will refuse to enforce it so because because you really need two things uh for something to work for for laws to work you need you need both the law and you need enforcement of the law and if you don't have if you if so I mean this is something that George sorus really figured out I mean he's he's sort of bril brilliant guy but honestly very uh

you know anti-human in my opinion uh is that you don't actually need to change the law you just need to stop enforcement of the law um and and uh and that that does that does the trick so um so but I think there's there is somewhat of a Reawakening in the US and I think even in California people are tired of tired of this and they won't change and I think that's that's really if if you say like what people are wondering like why did U why why did Donald Trump win um and it's and

and wasn't just a small victory um in the US elections this year uh you know president Trump won uh the Electoral College he also won the popular vote majority of the of the people um and the the the house is Republican and the senat is Republican what this says is the American people uh are demanding change they being very clear um and my recommendation to for the people in Germany is to do the same um if if you if you are unhappy with the situation you must vote for change um and that is why I'm

really strongly recommending that people vote for uh afd um that's my that's my strong recommendation and and I think uh this is simply the sensible move uh and um I think Alice Beetle's a very very reasonable person and hopefully people can tell just from this conversation like nothing outrageous is being proposed uh just common sense um so uh in fact I I I as I've said publicly I think only afd can save Germany and I just want to be very clear about that only afd can save Germany end of story and people really need to

get behind afd and otherwise things are going to get very very much worse in Germany yes because because be because you rightly said um there is a difference of making a law and then enforcing it so now we have the situ situation in Germany where you have on the one hand you have the afd and on the other hand what's so-called uni party right the uni party consisting of all the others because because they stick together and um no matter what they say they're not able to implement to enforce the promises they're doing in every

election especially the Angela Merkel party do you know that the uh that the chance candidate so so my so my running mate of the Chris Democratic party that it's wrongly labeled for instance by The Economist as a center right party so in my opinion it's a leftish green party but anyway Anga mer was the first green Chancellor we had here so um what he did is um that he by the way um just um talking about interference um so I just look it up here um he called your interest so your interests in German politics

pushy and presumptuous yeah yeah yeah exactly and Bill Gates B Gates that was not a problem yeah when Bill Gates uh um actually tried to sell his Mna vaccination and not mentioning all the huge um side effects on people's health and no one takes responsibility about that and the entire Bluff and scam of wearing a mask right so it's unbelievable and um also that candidate of the Chris Democrats like Fred Ms he warned the world about the consequences of voting for Donald Trump in October last year right so uh so so far for like foreign

interferences right unbelievable it's really unbelievable like how Donald Trump was treated by German media and German politicians during um his election campaign was unbelievable and I mentioned that before in a Bloomberg interview it created for me it created physical pain to see that how he was disparaged like and his entire family so um yeah so I feel very sorry for these people um um just like uh yeah um um saying negative things and um yeah now while we while we talk 150 bureaucrats of the European Union are watching us our conversation um to enforce this

ridiculous Digital Services act that is uh nothing uh nothing else than a censorship on Free Speech but Free Speech right it's a and you said it free speech is a precondition of democracy if you are not able to form a proper opinion and exchange opinions and ideas and uh a democracy should be a competition of the best ideas right compromis yes exactly without freedom of speech people are are obviously not able to say what they want to say and and then um they cannot make an informed vote so if if if people are are simply

fed propaganda and have no access to what's really going on then uh they can't make an informed vote uh and then they you don't have a real democracy so that's why I say you know free speech is the Bedrock of democracy uh there must be free speech in order for people to make an informed vote so that's essential um and and and you can sort of it's actually quite easy to tell who the bad guys are it's like who wants to shut down free freedom speech they are the bad guys that's very clear yes and

do you know what what uh what um what Adolf Hitler did the first thing he switched off uh um free speech yes so he controls the media and uh and without that he would have never been successful yes exactly never been successful yes Absol this is what you did yeah no exactly it's um that that was uh one of one of the first things he did was was to control the media and um and uh imposed extreme censorship um and uh and really what he was trying to do was shut down any premi uh media

anything premi or any defense of the Jewish people was shut down that's that so that's that's a so we have to like you know very you know for those who who who want censorship they should I think they should be careful what they what they ask for because uh when if once you Institute censorship it's only a matter of time before that censorship is turned on you and eventually they will censor you and that's the that's the danger um because people love to censor uh things they don't agree with but they don't realize that one

day that censorship is going to be turned on them so absolutely um so I mean I mean you mentioned of course uh uh you know and whatnot uh now there's a lot of the media uh wants to portray afd as far right as somehow associated with Nazism or something like that perhaps you could address uh that that concern because you know people when they hear sort of rightwing in Germany they you know naturally have a bit of a negative reaction um yes thank you uh thank you for the question uh first of all um I

would like to um since I'm a um Economist um um I would like to um shed some light on the idea uh when we talk about Hitler uh on the idea of the national socialists uh back then during the third r u the National Socialist um as a word says there were socialists yeah yeah they nationalized industri is like crazy yes absolutely he was a communist and he considered himself as a socialist so what they did they um they um they um um yeah they um state funded then the um the um private companies and

then they asked for um for uh taxes huge taxes and then also wait a second I need to ask the word now for National yeah nationalize the entire industry yeah you said that before and um and and the biggest success the biggest success after that terrible era in our history was to label Adolf Hitler as right and conservative he was exactly the opposite he wasn't a conservative he wasn't a libertarian he was a communist socialist guy so full stop no more comment on that and we are exactly the opposite we are libertarian conservative party and

see look at this uh during U like now like during the discussion of this terrible Hamas attack uh on Israel so only the leftish Palestinians they criticize uh um um the polic here so you have a deeply vested anti-Semitism within the leftish movement and it was always that case why and Adolf Hitler he also played with that he played with the Envy of people Jewish people have been highly educated very cultivated and they were successful there were wealthy people back in Germany then and then he Force the Envy of the population against these people and

it was a socialist measure taken against them look at Stalin look at the Soviet Union under Stalin the very same thing so he was nothing else than anti-semitic uh socialist and we are exactly the opposite we are a Libertarian conservative party we are wrongly framed the entire time and we would like to free the people of the state I want to have independently thinking people self-confident people I would like to have a state that is minimized minimized to his functions um and letting the people having their freedom of speech um freedom of wealth also like

generating wealth with these obnoxiously high taxes the PE uh the state roads the backbone uh of wealth right so the people are not able to accumulate wealth that make them independent from the state right so I would like to have independently thinking um well educated people who have the freedom to form their own opinion I want to have strong leaders in Germany I don't want to have stupid weak leaders as we had uh in the last couple of years because these people cannot uh think straightly and they a big danger look at the war in

Ukraine now there a big danger of to our national security and to uh actually to the entire European security this is also my hope um in Donald Trump and in you in your Administration um that you end that terrible War this worthless worthless dying of young people every day like as fast as you can because the Europeans they cannot they actually given up on everything like on a good military on a good negoti negotiation power they completely depend um on the US um in the sense of oh um the USA need to do the entire

job we don't need to do anything uh we just escalate the entire conflict um against Russia it's very dangerous what's going on here and only um um you can you can you can basically stop it yeah I I mean I think U president Trump is is going to you know is going to solve that that conflict I think very quickly um as you point out uh it's it's now been in somewhat of a a stalemate for a few years and all that's happened over the past few years is hundreds of thousands of people dying um

but but for for no gains um yeah and the longer this conflict goes on um the more uh Ukraine weakens relative to Russia I mean Ukraine is smaller country it simply cannot afford the losses relative to Russia uh Russia has uh it's just you know it's this this is the longer this drags on the worse it is uh for for Ukraine um and then you've got all these poor you know men dying in for nothing why um so um I hope this can be this this terrible conflict can be resolved uh quickly and I think

it will be under President Trump yeah will be great actually because this is our now really like um like the people here like like many people are anxious and they're anxious for a very good reason I think because this conflict uh conflict has a potential to escalate big time um towards a nuclear exchange and here the European governments they have no measure they have no strategy they have no red line no storyline uh of their foreign and security policy towards Russia towards Ukraine yeah um they have no strategy to end that and they don't have

the military power right so they SP understand the budget to Nato right uh for actually for decades like for for a very long time like the average for instance of Germany because um the share of GDP is supposed to be 2% so Germany on average I think was just like uh slightly above 1% so Germany didn't contribute but Germany is also not prudent um of the defendants of our own country so this is the second thing so uh we are we are we are completely dependent on the US but I think uh and I've listened

to this very interesting uh a speech of JD van um he said um he doesn't want to he doesn't want to have client states right yeah so he wants to have independent states who who that also form their own independent opinion on things right yes so you you you for instance in your companies you don't want to be surrounded by yes people and by medoc people right so me neither I TR yeah so I tried to uh also I try to to to um to have uh the best people in my team uh and these

best people they have the task to criticize me every day and I don't want to have yes Sayers right because you cannot learn so you have no cor yes yes yes yes we yes yes people no but it's so but yeah yes so yeah no absolutely I mean for say my companies like SpaceX and Tesla if you know if if um if if if we we we are constantly looking for critical feedback because if we make a mistake uh then the Rockets blow up and the cars don't work yeah so uh you know physics is

is very unforgiving um you know there's you know I say like really physics is the law um and and and everything else is a recommendation because I've seen people break every kind of law but I haven't seen them break physics um and so if you don't get the design of the rocket and operation of the rocket exactly right and if even one thing is wrong the rocket explodes so um you know that's I'm strong believer in seeking critical feedback and in fact I think critical feedback should be viewed as a gift yes yes yes um

so no no no no but uh but uh um just uh just um um just to uh continue on that topic so um if you don't have that feedback loop so um your your rocket May explode right but here in this critical phase of this terrible war in uh in the um Ukraine uh many people may die due to the stupid policies many people have died yeah indeed um so well I mean let so touch on some some uh maybe potential what people may view as hot button uh issues like what are what are your

views on Israel oh very complicated the more have no really like the more the more I read about the Middle East and the situation in Israel the more complicated it gets and to be honest I wanted to ask you um about a potential solution because to be honest like in my humble opinion I don't see a a a solution so maybe maybe uh um Israel um have to find some um um alliances with a Sunni States maybe if possible um and um yeah to be honest from my point of view like from my perspective it's

a very complicated situation and I don't you know I'm not this person I'm not the politician um if you ask a question that I do this blah blah blah sure I really say what I think to to do honest uh U politics and to be honest I don't know um very like to be very Frank I don't know how to solve the conflict at this point in time and I hope maybe you have an answer on that sorry for for for being dissatisfactory but it's so complicated and um um I want to give prudent answer

and in case of Israel I don't know how to resolve this conflict to be honest um well well I guess maybe another way to say it is uh do you hly support the existence of the state of Israel yes of course okay that's what people want to know yeah asking questions that maybe seem seem very obvious but uh you know no oh yeah oh yes now now I now I see was this question no absolutely so uh so we need to protect the existence of Israel and we need to protect not only the existence of

the state of Israel um I also think that Benjamin netan have made many mistakes in the past to be honest um but we also need um to take our responsibility as a German nation state to prot protect Jewish life Jewish people in our country who are exposed right now to uh to um to um um mus Muslim crime right so they are not safe here anymore so um you I don't know if you if you uh saw uh some videos here of the streets of Berlin I'm right now my office in Berlin but uh like

with all these demonstrations of the Palestinians here well um a Jew could not walk uh um um through the street anymore right and we have have a a huge potential of uh anti-semitic crime against uh uh the Jewish people and to be very Frank to be very Frank here the afd is the only protector and I'm saying that like very frankly the alternativa for deut land the afd is the only can only be the only protector of the Jewish people within here in Germany because the uni party all others parties they did exactly the opposite

they let like millions of people in they let um um do uh let them do crimes on our streets like the crime rate are skyrocketing and uh so the Jewish people they leave our country when I when I talk to my Jewish friends who live in Germany and in Switzerland and in France and in Austria they were very afraid um um um after the Hamas attack on the 7th of October because uh they were they were they were um afraid that they um would likely to be attacked by um by Palestinians by Hamas supporters or

by the antifa or by the leftish terrorists I don't know but they were very afraid very sensitive from going on the streets and uh we we step up for this people even though the opposite in the mainstream media the opposite is claimed yes know absolutely this is this is this is not true it's just a it's just a lie about our party yes I think that's that's what I want wanted to just make it clear that uh that that afd is being massively misrepresented especially in the in the western media um so um yeah and

you know and and no obviously I I I very much support the state of Israel but I I mean I also believe that that we want to uh be uh Mindful and and have empathy for you know civilians uh who who are who are dying as well uh the you know when I've had conversations with prime minister and um and I think I think we're largely agreed I mean there's so there there's really there's three steps which is like you there's there's no choice but to um eliminate those who wish to eliminate the state of

Israel um you know Hamas essentially um but then uh and and then the second step is to to fix the education so that uh you know people Palestinians are not trained from when they are B children to to hate want the death of Israel so you've got to fix the education system and and then the third thing which is also very important is to to make uh the pal Palestinian areas prosperous uh this is this third step is very important um and and this this may this is maybe the hardest step uh which is uh

but but you have to have that third step you have to uh bring Prosperity uh you have to help rebuild and you have to bring prosperity and I've had this conversation with with many people um in Israel I said that third step is is is essential um and and and they've asked me well when do this worked and I'm like well I'll give you a very big example um you know after World War I the the Treaty of asaiah was extremely unfair to Germany um and it it it created a massive amount of resentment and

the the the treat of asai laid the foundation with its extreme reparations um for laid the foundation for world World War II um without the treat of Versa Hitler would not have succeeded um true yes and and so and then but if you look at so so then the lesson was learned is in after World War II um uh when Germany and Japan were defeated uh the US actually helped rebuild uh Japan and Germany providing financial support to rebuild Japan and Germany and now Japan and Germany are allies and and this is been a very

important and fundament lesson of History yes you're absolutely right when um after the uh the Hamas attack um I um I just opened Google Maps to have a look okay uh what is the geographic situation there and when you see the Gaza stripe right it's a Gaza stri which is just locked locked in MH um um with no resources and not even uh water supplies so there can be cut off a water supply and uh and other supplies just like just just like instantaneously and uh this construction also like like just having a look like

from uh from a geographic perspective you don't need to be very smart that this is this is not going to work out and um to make this area wealthy with uh with a specific measure being taking uh taken um it's a very vital First Step yeah I think I think it's essential um and it requires uh overriding the natural human instinct for reciprocity which is that you know to basically an eye for an eye um you know but the problem with that an eye for an eye is that if you keep doing that an ey

for an eye as the saying goes an ey for an eye makes everyone mind um that's why I think there's great wisdom to forgiveness you know you need both strength and forgiveness um but uh this this is the only way to stop the the endless cycle of violence it's a very nice uh nice sentence like um the ey forign ey makes uh makes everyone blind yeah exactly so um yeah so hopefully that that that can be the future um that's the best future I can think of I think any any there's there's not some other

future that's that that's that that works um so um so how about uh may I ask you um um another question because uh we just um uh jumed topics uh what is your point of view so so um so um we stopped that um your administr ation will end um the war in Ukraine very swiftly uh but um what is what is your perspective on the instruments and measures that could be taken so uh would you like to talk about it can you talk about it a little bit so what we could expect well this

to be clear I mean this this is up to president Trump you know um he is the the commin Chief um and uh so it's it's really uh you know you know up to him so um I I don't want I don't want to speak for him so but but I but I you know I just I do think that there's there there is a path here to a resolution and um but but it does require strong leadership uh in the United States uh in order to to get this done um yeah so yeah um

but I'm confident that it can be done um okay and I do think it's possible to have peace in the Middle East as well um these are these are possible so and I think that would be a a great future for the world so yeah um yeah no great so it's absolutely Fair um so um so very very um fine with me um yes well let's see are there any other topics we should discuss or if have any questions for me or anything you think absolutely because because uh because I want to ask and many

people are interested in that so why do you believe um that U flying to Mars and populating Mars is your top um priority uh uh topic the SpaceX and when do you think uh when will you be ready to have a human expedition to to Mars if you if you allow if I may ask this question because everyone is interested so these are great projects right yeah um well I mean I I think at at a very high level I think sort of like what what set of actions um are going to to lead to

the long-term uh prosperity of civilization um you know the sort of a a growth in the scale and scope of Consciousness um you know the to to the best of our knowledge uh the there we we are the only place with with life or certainly the only place with life that that is intelligent in some form you know a lot of people think oh there's there must be aliens but I've not seen any evidence of aliens um and if the archaeological records are correct you know Earth is 4 and a half billion years old but

civilization as measured from the first writing is only about 5,000 years old which is about 1 millionth of Earth's existence so we're all of human civilization is a tiny flash in the pan uh so far uh and so we have to say well what steps can we take to ensure the long-term survival of uh of of Life as We Know It of Consciousness and if we are a multi-planet species the probable lifespan of of Consciousness is dramatically greater than if we are a single planet species um this is not to say that I think that

there's that Earth is about to die or anything like that but there is some risk um you know if there is if there is a global thermonuclear war or some extreme natural event like a giant you know meteor that hits the Earth uh that causes a mass extinction event I mean if we look at the fossil record there are are at least five extreme mass extinction events uh that would have basically Extinction events that would have destroyed all of humanity completely um uh there's five of them at least um and so so I think if

we we should take this opportunity today um because For the First Time In the 4 and a half billion year history of Earth it is possible to extend life and to to extend Consciousness beyond Earth and and that window of opportunity may be open for a short time or it may be open for a long time but just just in case uh it is it is open for a short time um we must take advantage of this window um and as quickly as possible become a multi planed species um and ensure the long-term survival of

civilization so what is your time frame um for a for a Expedition like for the first first human Expedition well yeah so to be clear the what what matters is not so much the sort of flags and Footprints but the establishment of a self-sustaining City on Mars uh where the critical threshold is where the city can grow uh independent of Earth meaning if the resupply shifts from Earth Stu coming for any reason um that the that the um the MS Colony just does not die out um that that's if we are able to reach that

point uh then uh we have we have passed one of the the very important and fundamental firy great filters um you know this there's this idea of like why don't we see evidence of of intelligence life well there that there this idea that there are these various great filters that that these civilizations never pass and one of those great filters is never never going beyond your home planet so if we can pass the forr filter of being a single planet species um and to be clear if if we are a single planet species it is

just a matter of time before we are annihilated one can argue about how long it will take but eventually there will be something that happens that annihilates uh civilization um it it might be very far in the future but uh we simply know from the from the fossil record as I mentioned that there have been at least five Mass natural Extinction events and and I think there's there's added risk for humans that we could destroy ourselves um because the dinosaurs did not have uh thermonuclear weapons uh so they also didn't have spaceships um so so

we've got uh we've got the risk of the of thermonuclear wall that could destroy everyone but we also have spaceships that can make life multiplanetary and um so the but but to answer your question more directly um I think we can send uncrewed Starships to Mars in approximately two years so Earth and Mars are are to be Earth and Mars align for for planetary transfer roughly every mons every two years every 26 months two years ah two years yes so the Earth obviously takes a year to go around the Sun Mars takes approximately two years

um and obviously one cannot go to Mars when it is on the other side of the Sun from Earth so we we have to wait for when Mars is in roughly the same quadrant of the uh solar system as Earth and that occurs uh uh for about 6 months every two years um and the optimal transfer window is typically just a few months so uh for a few months every two years or every 26 months uh you can you can transfer to Mars um so so current there's currently a Mars trans transfer window which means

that the next one is in 2 years from now um and then there'll be another one two years after that so for the one in two years I think we can send uncrewed Starships to l m to you know to test that we The Landing systems are working properly um we want to make sure that we don't um you know add add more crators to Mars um yeah would uh yeah the crater count increment must be zero um and so once we prove that it is safe to land then um if if like if if

all the shifts we send in about two years land safely uh and we think we understand the issues then in in principle that in about four years you could send the first uh people um and then it then the number of ships can expand exponentially from the from that point Point um I mean as as a rough order of magnitude my guess is that uh we need to transport about a million about a million tons of cargo uh to Mars to make it self sustaining um you know when things are very uncertain I think if

you can even guess to within one order of magnitude you're doing quite well um so I suspect probably 100,000 tons is maybe not enough and hopefully we don't need 10 million tons so therefore my guess is hopefully a million tons is enough to make Mars self- sustaining so maybe it's a million tons of caro to S of Mars and about you know a million people or more um so that's that's really what matters the the critical threshold from the standpoint of of a fundamental uh branching of the future of civilization uh is is is that

that point of reaching on Mars where uh Mars can grow by itself even if uh resupply ships from Earth sto coming at that point the future of civilization branches and to a good Branch um and the probable lifespan of civilization is dramatically greater and and my guess is that that there will be cases where the the the future martians actually come and help and rescue Earth and you know when there is an emergency um you know just as America has helped to to rescue the rest of the world in World War I and two and

uh and the Cold War um and you know where would the be if if not for America helping out in those three circumstances so so my I think that there's a good chance Mars helps save Earth at some point in the future maybe many times and then once we have uh a a civilization on Mars we can expand to the rest of the solar system uh to the uh you know the uh larger asteroids like SAS maybe to the moons of Jupiter and Saturn and Beyond at least through the rest of the solar system and

then uh you know then and then we go from being hopefully a multiplet civilization to at some point a multi- stellar civilization and we're out there Among the Stars um and uh and then we can try to find out what is the nature of the universe uh you know Perhaps Perhaps when we go to and visit these far away star systems we will discover the remains of long dead alien civilizations I think that would be incredibly interesting but for sure it will greatly improve our understanding of the nature of the universe um dramatically absolutely um

yes so and and and and things like the time scales are just remarkable to think about um I mean physics uh suggests that the universe is about 13.8 billion years old um and um I mean even the elements in our body that aren't hydrogen um that like any heavier element had to be formed in um in the the center of a star and so the you know the a large part of our body was actually formed in the in the center of a star and that star exploded and then the elements recondensed um ultimately billions

of years later to um form uh Earth and humans so but so when you think about these time scales they really remarkable to think about um and but a civilization that lasted a million years so our civilization you know like I said I think good metric for saying what when does a civilization start I think is maybe writing you know that's if you're going to pick anything I'd pick that that's only 5,000 years ago so um so for a civilization like let's say last an incremental million years that that's an enormous amount of time for

as compared to the length of human civilization but it's very small compared to the age of the Universe um you'd have to go three digits past the decimal point of 13.8 million years just to increment 1 million years so so I think we may find when we go out there and explore these star systems that that there were alien civilizations maybe they lasted for millions of years much longer than we've lasted um and and I think any civilization that can last a million years is going to be in the Hall of Fame this is that's

an incredibly long time um so anyway and I think as you know for Humanity we don't want to be of those lame One Planet civilizations like you know any self-respecting civilization should have at least two planets um so that's um that's what we should aim for wow um if you uh so so you just said that um um the uh the human body comprises of elements of an exploded and then uh re reordered umum elements right so do you uh do you think that this um coincidentally happened or do you believe in God I'm just

curious because because because many people say okay this cannot have been a coincidence um that cannot right so uh so it just could have been um God so do you believe in god well I'm I'm open to believing in things proportionate to the information that I receive so um so I mean I I I guess I have sort of a physics view of reality uh which is you know uh you know I guess I'm trying to I'm trying to understand the universe as much as possible to understand what's going on I I'm I'm certainly open

to the idea of God and if you say like well where did the universe come from uh how is it created um what I suppose there would be some entity that that you could call God I I that would I don't know but but there's that's a separate question from say is is there some entity that is observing our daily actions and rendering rendering a moral verdict on what we do from dayto day um that doesn't appear to be the case because you know at least there there's some very evil things that happen in the

world and if if there's someone observing us on a moral basis continually then it it does seem odd that uh some very evil things are allowed to occur um but but maybe that is the case I I don't know I I just I try to um form my opinions based on what I learn uh and as I learn more I aspire to change my views to match what I learned yeah same here to be honest um I'm still on a search and I I don't know what to believe um so it's called maybe a agnostic

and um yeah um but it's very interesting to see how how the world and also the universe evolved um and um yeah it was it was incredibly interesting to listen to your Visions um and um yeah it's it's quite a vision for for for every one of us yeah I would say that what I have is a philosophy of curiosity uh so I'm I'm curious about the nature of the universe and um I I would say I subscrib to the Douglas Adams School of philosophy that was described in the hitch as gu to the Galaxy

um you know um and um you know in that book the Earth was sort of a giant computer that was trying to answer the question what is the meaning of life um and then it comes back with the 40 42 and and they're like what does 42 mean and it's well it's actually the the answer is the easy part and the question is the hard part um so uh you know that was actually quite uh an Illuminating thing for me because I had sort of an existential crisis when I was I don't know 12 or

13 about the meaning of life and you know I read I read many the religious texts and the books on philosophy um you know I was like reading sh ARA and whatnot uh which is a bit depressing if you're to read as a child um but um you know well why they're a bit negative um so uh at times you know um it's it's actually it makes more sense reading it as an adult but uh but then I I read the H Guide to the Galaxy which is really a book in philosophy in the form

of humor and um and I think it kind of really illust that that I thought was very insightful uh that that we should basically try to understand the nature of the universe and in fact understand even what questions to ask about the answer that is the universe and so that led me to conclude that we should aspire to uh expand the scope and scale of Consciousness so that we're better able to to know what questions to ask about the nature about the answer that is the Universe um so we we should just seem to take

the set of actions that lead to a greater understanding uh of the universe wonderful actually these are these are perfect um last words to be honest for a conversation because because because I don't know right now like what to what to continue because no really because these words are so beautiful so I would just like uh screw it up and um it was wonderful it was very it was wonderful talking to you and uh and listening to your views um of mankind and also to to have idea of your vision it's very Visionary and um

yeah well thank you so much well it's it's been a pleasure speaking and I hope people listen to this conversation and find it helpful um all right thanks everyone thank you bye thanks [Music]