The Truth About Money and Happiness with Dr Sana Sajan

it is important to not sulk now you could call me a monk who did not sell her Ferrari even when you go in an airplane when they're giving that you know emergency uh talk they say when there will be a oxygen mask you put on yourself first and on your child later just say I get to do this right I get to go to work I get to see my friends how much is it changing your life yeah no how many zeros can you add if you're a millionaire or a billionaire you should not judge

a book by its cover but the reality is that people do judge a book by its cover hello and welcome back to the podcast if you're new here my name is Sheen I'm your host and today we're joined by the wonderful Dr Sona Sergeant saana is a doctor philanthropist entrepreneur artist and she's the director at the denu group and she's here today to share with us everything that she has learned through her wonderful Journey hello s welcome thank you so much for having me here Sheen thank you how are you doing I'm so excited to

be here cuz you know it's just every day you don't meet somebody like you you've got literally the Sheen in you you got the shine and Sparkle so I'm really happy to exchange this energy that's so sweet honestly when I was doing my homework for this podcast and I was watching all of your reals I was like your energy is contagious it's very rare to come across people who are bubbly and happy all the time and I'm really happy that you're actually like this in person as well so very excited for this conversation so tell

us a little bit about your journey oh well where do we start it started with medicine right should we go there um so why did I want to be a doctor yes um somehow because my family we have a family of 36 doctors at the moment you know so uh I like how you said at the moment like there's more because this is ongoing right so um when you have so many healers in your family and and coming from the Indian diaspora you choose things which put you at a certain level and it becoming a

doctor is always something which is respected throughout you know and I believe that being a Healer in any form it's amazing and I chose to be a doctor cuz I always looked up to my father who's an amazing doctor and he was always a fun person very handsome and still he was a doctor not a boring person so I thought okay I can be a doctor like him and I chose to be a doctor um that's why I chose the profession but then um you know while I was becoming a doctor I also experienced that

there is so much need in the Society of you know expensive treatments which can be somehow delivered to the patients in some other way possible you know to make it available to them so that pain was always there I mean I it could be going back to my upbringing and also being a sensitive person I always saw that pain in the society even while I was in my college I used to use my scholarship to you know help some poor patients and just just get their treatments done and pay for their labs and stuff so

it was always something which was there in my personality and then I came back to Dubai with my family and here it looked very glitzy and glams which is usually the facade which people see which is there you know Dubai is amazing uh it's literally a realistic Utopia uh that's how I put to Dubai but the thing is that when you look for you will still find places where there are needs and you can fulfill them so that's what I looked for and I started working with the talisia patients in the talisia center here in

the hospital uh where I felt that it is not just that you need to help patients monetarily you need to give them some time and maybe create some you know art events or do some classes with them or for that matter just spread uh you know some information about the awareness of of the of the situation what people go through when they're in talisia so but and then through that journey I got you know associated with the genetic Disease Association here H which is led by Dr Maria matar and um she's been working very hard

to you know clear out um tmia which is a genetic disease uh and I along with her somehow kept working in creating the awareness so that was one of the things that I was working on while all of this was going on I got married and uh um there is a very important division in danub called danub welfare center so when uh our chairman dad he saw that I'm into helping people he said s why don't you also join Danny welfare center and that's when I was on the cruise and getting my makeup done and

back I had already set up in Dubai um a team which were doing registrations for blue colled workers for studies okay yeah so and then that's how the journey with welfare center started how we because this was one of the dreams of our chairman ran Sergeant to help blue colored workers you know so and that's the Journey of them getting the education and helping them and there are so many other things you know while you know there is no end to helping people because it could be monetarily it could be education it could be just

giving them a good vibe you know so and that's how life is and I've been through you know those stages and I love to give that energy to people the good energy and that's my journey oh wow that's beautiful and what I love is how many times you've pivoted a little bit you know you're you're keeping to what you're doing but you're also like venturing into new aspects of work and how do you approach this you know because you went from obviously medical field to business field and obviously now with denu you do a lot

of real estate as well so how do you approach any big pivots in your career okay so let me start like this that we as women we are a form of God's light on Earth and this was one of my recent posts on Instagram as well that you know as women when we are born we are born as Lakshmi into the family we bring that good energy into the family you know and then we give all that amazing vibrancy into our family you know you will see any any any house who's got a daughter they

have that you know beautiful colors in their home and any father would vouch for what I'm saying over here and coming from the Indian diaspora you know in India there are uh something called a Davi and for the certain audience who don't know what it is a Davi is the idol of a goddess which has 10 hands and each hand holds a different tool in her hand you know one could be it could be for me for example it could be a pen it could be a book it could be a music instrument it could

be a healing instrument like a stethoscope or it could be you know love and kisses for my family so we as women are born as goddesses and each woman is a goddess and we are all capable of doing a lot of things so how I would say that I have always wanted to do a lot of things in life and that thought of being Larger than Life I have always kept it alive what is larger than life you know our limitations our thoughts are what limit us right so when you open that cage you become

Larger than Life so if I want to do something I always keep that bucket list and I repeat it wherever I go that I encourage people to keep that bucket list if you don't want to put a timeline to it don't put a timeline to it but keep it the there will come a day where you will accomplish it and that's what I have done after becoming finishing my med school you know I also did an MBA in healthcare services where we also studied business so that's why the healthcare division in danub was started and

you know uh American Aesthetics is that where I'm managing right now uh which is uh you know Under the Umbrella of plastic surgery everything comes as you know aesthetic transformation over there uh I call it also as a happiness Center cuz you know you come in and get yourself fixed and you look you feel good you look good you know so that's what I have been uh why should we put a limitation of our career brand onto our uh expertise or to anything that we choose to in life I I say we are Limitless I

agree I agree but I love that so you see the way you talk about this it makes me feel so empowered but it's just how I I get it right it's realistically we all know what we want to do and at some point you and I I don't remember who said it I think it's Mark Twain right who said it there are two most important days of your life the first one is when you're born and the second one is when you figure out why you were born and clearly you figured out what your mission

is on this planet right but then and now walk us through what a day-to-day with SAA looks like I'm sure no two days are the same right but but what does a traditional day looks like so I want to add to something that you said about Mark Twain there is also something that I came across and it has repeatedly been coming across in front of me that uh we all live two lives one is the life that was given to us the second life that when we realize that that is the only life that we

have and we live it to the fullest wow so yeah you you got to keep your Ambitions and that's what drives me my brother was asking me the other day that you know s you why do you need to do so many things what is it that comes in your heart when you wake up in the morning so I will tell you so when I sleep in the night I look at my calendar the next day this helps me design my day for the next day cuz I cannot just wake up and not have anything

to do this doesn't mean that I have a lot of clutter in my head no organization is definitely something that helps you optimize your time and resources so for me time management is definitely something which I would put as my first and foremost you know strength and that also helps in not only multitasking but also getting the best out of your people and that's where I come to my second strength which is my team and my people right so when you have the right team which doesn't just Dawn upon you know you have to create

that team it takes time to have that team with you where you have a sync where you have similar thoughts and also you Empower them you know so be it my from my home if it is my staff or my nannies you know or my driver or my house manager you know you it is it is very important to have that sync of thoughts communication and understanding between the team and also to share a good energy yeah so you give some you get some you know so that's one thing from the home and coming to

work again it's the same story that that the team needs to feel that ownership you know so and how does that come it comes from Top to bottom and then from bottom to up mhm so that's what it goes when time management and team is important for me and that's what helps me so if I slept yesterday I saw my calendar for today what I need to do and then I wake up early morning I go to my sons cuz they sleep in the other room the boys uh I wake them up they go go

to their shower to get ready for the school then I go to my daughter I wake her up get her uh to go get into the shower and then come back uh meanwhile I'm coming back Adel is up yeah so all of them are up and I see the daddy's already in the swimming pool mom's almost going to wake up so all our family lives together right so and then um we all have breakfast together and everyone runs away to their work you know so ad has to go to early morning gym and then he

has his own hectic day uh we say hello hi goodbye and then Happy good day and then I rush to my gym then from gym I run to my work and then by the time it's 5:30 is is when uh my clock in my head starts sticking that okay now is the time when my children need me cuz I need to put them to bed early too so I rush home and then um you know spend some quality time with them swimming or playing or just you know enjoying and uh By the time it's 8:00

they're tucked in bed oh wow and that's the time when we party uh if there are any occasions you know usually the formal events and just friend visits Etc that's also post8 so you know it's just like in the time and people and you get S days a week and 24 hours a day so how the best you can get out of it you know that's how what it is wow I love that and I think you were telling me this earlier as well that as a woman you wear many hats but when you're wearing

one hat you're fully focused in that hat right and I think I love how your days basically split in you being kind of like the daughter-in-law and then the woman at work and then the mom and then you're being the fun sa in the and and you you got to you know I believe that it is important to not sulk of course you know a lot of times I come across people who are like oh my God another party yeah no it's a blessing to have a party you're blessed to have friends who are wanting

you to join them and have fun with you you know or for that matter oh my God I have to go to work again no it's a blessing to be busy you know we're we're so blessed that we have work we have people to meet we have positive energy you know everything is flowing in the right direction so so it's very important to get the right energy out of your schedule you know and that also Cascades down into all your teammates as well so and we wear different hats I think a lot of times uh

I laugh at Adel that which one are you going to meet today which sun is coming which sun is meeting you today so um yeah you wear different hats and when you are living in the moment you know life is also about that balance so I have to also struggle sometimes in in the sense that I'm living in the moment but at the same time my next schedule is also there so we are capable of doing a lot of things and that's where we Shuffle between the hats and I forget who person which person I

am after this because I have to switch my roles yes so if I'm painting I'm an artist and I'm in that zone it's a trance and that's how I will be able to deliver fully in that role you know so yeah and then you switch the painting's done okay now the next step what are you going to do okay food time you're hungry the more uh I say that if you're eating well you're drinking your water well you're taking the right nutritions and if you're working out MH that also takes away 80% of your issues

in life yes you know so I propagate I say it out loud and I repeated it that it is very important for everybody and especially for women to take care of themselves cuz you are the backbone of the family exactly I agree and I love what you talked about the mindset being so important into to everything because that's how you start your day and it impacts the rest of your day however you approach everything and I love I heard this somewhere where it says instead of saying oh my God I have to go to work

I have to do this just say I get to do this right I get to go to work I get to see my friends yeah and it's a change of just reframing of how you approach everything instead of seeing it as I'm forced to do this it's more that oh it's a new opportunity for me exactly you know like like Jim some people they including my a lot of my family members you know they're like oh this is such a punishment this no why you're blessed you're able to take some time out and come to

the gym and you have a trainer and you're able to work out this you're able to do this it's amazing you know you should be thankful to God and once you change that perspective when you start loving going to the gym that's when a lot of things change cuz it's a chain of thoughts right it's not just easier you yield better cuz everything is in the mind and we are very capable of taking control of mind you know and the sooner you do that the better it is cuz that's when you can really become Larger

than Life hey I love that now I want to go back to what you were talking about how your team is one of your strengths right and I think this is one thing especially as a woman leader uh it becomes very important how you portray yourself as a leader because there is this very fine balance between being too empathetic as a woman to your team and also coming across as being too harsh because you don't want to come across as a woman so how do you strike this balance so this is a fun thing I

am also learning from the Sharks I live with which is rzan sajan and Adel sajan and they are amazing leaders they have a lot of things which are similar in them and they have a lot of things which As Leaders they are very different leaders as well at the same time so some things overlap and some things they bring very unique so and for me um I bring my own uh of course Essence as a person person who is you know as a team leader but also I learn from them CU they're definitely amazing and

they're they've proven you know over time with their track records so um it's it's a little bit of a tug-of warar you know you do a stick in carot um different leaders different styles my leadership style is more empathetic as you say but sometimes it gets like okay now the delivery you have to really you know put things into point so as you with time and experience it gets a little bit more easier to deliver what you want so with our team we have regular team meetings in that um it is important to know what

are the challenges first we say that these are our targets okay yes and we put realistic targets which are time bound of course in sales you got to put time bound targets and then you discuss with the team do you think it's achievable you discuss with them and then say what is it that you need as a tool to achieve those okay while you take up the tools ask them what will be the challenges you might face and then we find out Solutions you know sometimes on the spot or sometimes on the go because some

things can be a strategy but to achieve that point A to point B you need certain tactics and tactics can change you know so a lot of times we keep certain strategies the main thing but of course some things if you need to modulate we change and if somebody's slacking you need to see if it is a personal problem or if it is a uh consistent issue and they're not delivering out of being lazy and sometimes what happens a chain is as strong as the weakest link of course okay so you need to really constantly

diagnose what is the issue happening and if it is going to be a chronic issue then you really need to strike it you know and you can give a few chances normally my number is three for the chances and you give a few chances you help the person to work uh it out but if it doesn't work then it doesn't work okay so you have to keep shuffling between uh I don't like to do the higher and fire so we I give a lot of chances but the recent practice in business they keep saying that

the sooner the you fire the better it is yeah so a lot of business practices and leaders are doing that as well because there is no time to lose uh for me I am a little bit more warm and I happen to give more chances to people um because I am always you know considerate about what's going on behind this issue you know so that's what my Approach is and um after all of this uh besides the sales it is very important you know in all of danu and including my verticals as well that we

make sure that customer service is a full package you know cuz One customer a happy customer will bring in two or three more happy customers or probably even if it doesn't at least he will come back you know uh while a sad or unhappy customer can damage that same image you know and a brand is built with a lot of work over a period of time you know uh if your number of negative comments out of 1,000 the percentage is smaller let's say 15 M you need to address those but at least that number should

not go higher than like you know a certain percentage so you need to address the issues regularly it is very important to be their handson um at the same time you know it's it's just a really good mix of things that you have to be you know actively doing yeah wow I love that thank you for taking us on that little tour of your leadership and how you work with the team and now of course you're aom as well do you think that plays a role in how you approach business and approach your team now

for sure I one of the things that I say that the you know men and a lot of women who have not yet come to that stage you know um it's important for me to share it with them that becoming a mother really opens up your heart uh to understanding people more and especially now now that I have more than one child uh it's a community that I have in the house you know and each one of them is different they have their own personalities they have their own choices and they have their own ways

and approach to different things so it I knew it theoretically I was trying to practice it in my life earlier as well but now that it is there in my house it just comes more naturally to me to understand people more and you know how what kind of approach should be cut out to the to get the best out of this person MH because in a team a team is good as good as it Captain right so if the captain is able to nurture the talent in the team and get the best out of that

person you all perform well so yes it has definitely helped me and um uh it also helps me understand the women who are having a family who are a part of my team yes you know so we give them a little bit of Leverage on that and we understand them better and we help them more you know so even though we always have those rules to help women who are pregnant or who are nursing or who have kids so but becoming a mother it always helps you know I mean it has helped me definitely MH

amazing so now I I want to switch gear a little bit because you are a little bit unique as a guest here and I think most people who are watching or listening will will think of you as someone who has made it you know who is doing well in life so if we were to look at life through your lenses as someone who's on the other side you know what what is your relationship with money okay so um as a person I'm very Sufi okay and let me explain what a Sufi is um uh I

would be a Hermit otherwise if I was not here and there was a time when I really chose to really almost at the verge of shaving my head and becoming a monk oh wow so now you could call me a monk who did not sell her her Ferrari I love that so yeah and it's funny that just yesterday I was having this conversation with my husband that he asked me that s uh would you become a priest or a monk and I'm like ad when I met you I was almost at the verge of shaving

my head and going to the Himalayas you know so right there but it is a bigger challenge to stay in this world and strike a balance in these worldly opportunities and Excel over here while creating that peace in your heart you know and that is a bigger achievement and I would say that um you can't achieve excellence and anything cuz the end goal is God and Excellence is only God but yes for sure I am always actively working on that peace you know which is most important and uh take on money in today's day and

age people salute money they respect money they would put a red carpet for money and we've seen it you know it it happens that there is a fun story about one Saint in olden days in Persia uh that when uh he was really respected by the King at that time and the King sent some robes and said that I would like to invite you and I would like to host a big feast in your honor okay and he said he sent his acceptance and he said he will be there then he was a big Saint

right so he was just in his sted clothes and he went and when he was at the doors of the of the big play Palace the people at the the soldiers there they asked him to stop and he said this is a big Feast for a very big guest of the king what are you doing here he said this is for me the soldier laughed at him right and then the saint went back and he wore his golden robes and then he came and it was he was really welcomed and then when he was sitting

with the King on the on the feast table he started putting food into his robes and the pockets and the Scurry into his pocket and the king and everybody the big people they were really like what are you doing we we would really like to know what you're doing with all the respect to him he said you know it was not me who was invited it was my robes oh wow yeah he's the C so so and that was a big message and and it was taken to the people that you know you should not

judge a book by its cover but the reality is that people do judge a book by its cover so yes money now that I am a I would say a little wiser that it is important but it should not be something that you put forward as a priority at the expense of your health and your family's health MH it could be mental health it could be physical health but it is very important to to earn money the right way to be ambitious and money not only money it it come there are a lot of things

that you can earn you can earn respect you can earn your career you can earn you know there are so many things that you earn with time uh but money money I say that it is not something that you should kill for yes you should have the fire in you you should have the ambition in you and keep dreaming keep working towards it but it should not be at the expense of your mental health yeah and with money as well you always reach a point where now it's just extra money right how much is changing

your life many yeah no how many zeros can you add let's say if you're a millionaire or a billionaire there comes a point where you you need to have certain um uh points in life where you want to help people you want to help your family you want to work on mental health of yourself your family your friends and then your community gets bigger you know so when if you see anybody who has made it in life I always look up to my uh you know father-in-law and my husband you know but when I look

at them I know I see them so closely they did not just land on top of the mountain they have worked their way up and that work is not just hard work in terms of going to the office and getting the work done there is a lot that comes you know like taking care of your friends you know as a leader I say this story a lot of times that rzan sajun we live together okay when he wakes up in the morning he goes to his swimming he does his yoga he meets his family which

is us and his mother who we live together uh then he goes for his work he comes late at night comes back has the dinner and or sometimes skips the dinner and goes to meet his friends who are hosting a birthday or a wedding or anything so he makes sure that his friends also get their due respect and time and then he comes back late in the uh night and then wakes up early in the morning and then the grind is there so it's like the sun MH you know so the sun is constantly working

if we can't see also that sun is working right so for as an individual as well I always say that even if you're sleeping you're sleeping for something good the next day you're sleeping to revive yourself you know so if you put that energy in you that you want to be productive in your sleep you want your body to recover you want your energy to recover the next day you will be better and you will perform better you know so and that's the example of rwan sjun that he and I'm following those footsteps as well

and I have that energy too that if I'm sleeping I know that I want to rest now that my CS recover my energy recovers and tomorrow is a productive day again and I want to be the best of myself you know so and that's these energies together you know creating your team caring for your team caring for your family your friends all together this all counts as your riches MH oh yes wow that's incredible you you mention your family quite a lot which I love by the way but what would you say is the main

learning for you um let's say Obviously personally I'm sure there are many many many but professionally when you you joined this big family business what was the mean learning for you mean learning there are two things really really important for life for your you would call it success or what i' say your relationships and your Communication in my the family that I live in in the leadership that I see and the what I follow not only in my family but as you know leaders of Dubai you know it is so important to have the right

way of communication and the right time of communication as well you know it is important to act in the right time if it is urgent you do it now there there if you want to make a phone call or if you want to reply to a WhatsApp or an email you know you need to give the right time if it is emergency you need to call you know so to communicate it is the strength of a person and to communicate the right way to the right person to in the right time and of course this

is also related to relationships and main maintaining your relationships that every relationship you need to give its respect and time to it m yeah wow it could be a relationship with your client it could be with your family it could be with your friends it could be with you know your team anybody and at any level of the hierarchy relationship and communication that's the key I love that well now that we're talking about relationship this just popped up into my mind we're going to talk about relationship with yourself now for a minute um if I

were to ask you on a happiness scale from 0 to 10 where's saana today oh I'm always 10 and above ooh love that how no but I I have to say this there are days yes uh it could be related to my hormones or it could be related to certain challenges in life I try to be 10 and above but it's it should not go to toxic positivity of course not you know and a lot of times when we post oh this and that on positive stuff on Instagram people don't see that they are challenges

that we meet as well and the every day every day we find something or the other as a small or big challenge you know it could be just an order waiting to be received yes and you get impatient you know so self focus is as a girl I say it is really really important because uh instinctively we are givers and uh we find more happiness in giving and one of my TED Talks I also said that charity and loving someone these are the two most selfish things that we do ooh let's talk about that yeah

we will come to that but happiness and self focus is so important CU as women we are the backbones of our family you know and if we don't take care of ourselves who will take care of the others even when you go in an airplane when they're giving that you know emergency uh talk they say when there will be a oxygen mask you put on yourself first and on your child later even in the video they show that the child also should come later cuz if you don't have the oxygen you will not be able

to help the other one also so there are two people being damaged there so if as a woman of the house as a girl you know you need to really really take care of yourself and taking care is I start with food food water and sleep I'm not saying you need to sleep 10 hours a day I'm not even saying if you don't if you are not able to sleep 8 hours a day do 6 hours but sleep at the right time at the same time every day so that your circadian rhythm comes into place

place and wake up at the same time that's what is going to set your hormones in place cuz we are evolved beings you know and it's not even a joke when we are a 2.0 version yeah and uh we are not taking care of we are such blessed beings we need to take care of ourselves and once this is in place you need to then start working on let's say yoga or pilate or gym I say even half an hour of any workout even if it is brisk walking you know if you do that that

another you know you've done another B of your thing when you're healthy you perform better at work you when you perform better at work you get better money you get better confidence you get you know everything just starts coming full circle and you come back home happier you know so everything starts with your health uh sometimes people just start buying makeup and just covering things up I like a little bit of makeup it's nice you know but it should not be something as a coverup yes you know you need to to be glowing from inside

from your soul okay when you're healthy mentally and physically the glow comes out the confidence comes out and you're able to help other people as well so happiness and self-care is really really important I put it as now my top priority I love that but when you said sometimes it goes a little bit down lower than 10 but what is your approach in general with challenges in life whenever there's a challenging part whether it's personal or professional how do you deal with it so challenges come different scales small big large extra large or extra small

ex yes but you need to see what is the problem so in medicine they teach you a disease diagnosed well is half soled you know so your prognosis is half already fixed when you diagnose the disease properly so if you know what the problem is so when I face a problem my first exercise mentally and now it's a practice so what is it that I see what is exactly the problem and can I define it can I classify it you know and if I need to delegate it to someone what is it that is needed

to do right now um sometimes people say oh it's easier said than done so one of the things one time um I faced was my dad he had an issue a health issue in the in the night 3:00 my mom called me and she said we've called an ambulance I jumped while I was on the phone I changed my clothes and in the night 3:00 what do you do Adel was not at home so I don't know what to do okay I while I was getting out of the car I called my one of my

male servant who I know is a responsible person I said I'm going to my mom's house if there is anything I will call you so please keep your phone on on and one one of the nannies I told the same thing because I need at least if one will fail the second one then I called my secretary I know she will respond I said this is the emergency if needed I'll call you she said okay on the way cuz there was no other male person I called one of my relative cuz I know he would

respond you know you need to have your brains your head on your shoulder even in emergency think cuz I'm speeding I need to keep my cameras also and I should not be jumping at radar and you know stuff like that in time I was there the ambulance had reached I had reached luckily nothing was such a big damage but he was taken to the hospital and everything but I was really proud of myself that I had my head on shoulders and I was not balling on the way or something like thatz so that was the

thing that proved to myself that my head will be on my shoulders in any emergency so it is so important in any kind of issue that you face that you need to know what is the problem and what are the steps you need to do in that moment to solve it and then you see later on what you can do and furthermore you know so that okay my dad needs to take care of himself and the diet and gym and this and that what all but you need to know in that moment what you need

to do and what are the following steps I try to do that I like that so just like keeping your emotions under control while you're dealing with the problem yes and I think that's the challenge that most people struggle with including me right whenever something goes wrong the emotions start to come out it's a practice yeah everything in our in our body is a muscle including our emotions yes and as much as like just like Jim you cannot go and lift 25 kges of a dumble on the first day at least not most of the

people right so you build up your strength you build up your activity and your body starts getting acquainted to it and start practicing and your muscles start getting that memory and you strengthen yourself the same way your mind you need to practice things in every smaller things you know it's like if you're in a traffic jam and somebody's cutting you you should not be you know swearing at that person it's okay he's not going really fly away it's okay maybe he's facing some issues personally let him take over how much are you going to you

know how much delay are you getting yeah having said that it is so important to draw a fine line what that you are understanding but you should not be treated as a doormat yes yeah so when you people there are a lot of times that people start treating you as a doormat taking you as for it granted because when we say these things that oh you should understand the other women take it to another extreme yes coming back and striking a balance no you don't need to go into any extreme just stay in moderation you

need to respect other people while other people also respect you of course yeah so it's all about practice okay so there are two things that I want to talk to you about but before I forget um you mentioned that uh your Ted Talk addressed charity being one of the selfish thing please tell us more about that oh I love this um okay when you give let's say 10 dams to somebody that okay you go have tea yes that person will smile at you but honestly search in your heart that when you're giving charity to somebody

okay be it 10 dams 20 dams or 20,000 dams you are giving it because you feel nice of course at the end of the day okay so I feel that I'm doing a very selfish deed but it is for good and I encourage people to selfish in that be selfish in that way because you are creating a happiness quotient there you are making the other person happy you're making yourself happy and this is how you're going to multiply the happiness and you raise the happiness quotient in your family in your surroundings in your community in

your city and I say that in Dubai it's similar that you know things start getting easier if you see people when they come to Dubai they get the Dubai Vibe and they start getting more chill more happy more helping more respectful so that's what when you're doing something you're not doing it for the other person you're doing it for yourself MH and I encourage people to be selfish like that that's a beautiful way of being selfish you know I don't have you watch Friends yeah because Joey also says something similar where he's like even when

it's a birthday when you're buying present you're celebrating someone else you do it because you feel good because you've done something for someone else but it is a beautiful thing at the end of the day so it doesn't matter that it is selfish but one thing um going back to the conversation we were having I would love for you to share the Bison story to my audience as well please if you can tell us that yeah it is one of my favorite stories and a bison or a bull that's what how people understand it right

so the story of a bison or a bull so when there is a snowstorm a bison goes head up into those snowstorms why because they instinctively know that when they face the storm they will get out of it faster the more you run away from it the more it will follow you so I definitely believe in facing your challenges in life and getting done with them yeah the shortest way is through basically I love that okay final part of our chat today so um I would say that if we obviously are very happy to have

you here part of the podcast but if you had to celebrate a woman in your life who would it be oh there are so many women I celebrate I celebrate every woman in my life you know it is uh cuz everyone brings their own lesson to me and they teach me something or the other other in their own way but if I had to pick one right now mhm I would celebrate one of my nannies she's really really amazing I love the way she takes care of my child as her own and you know she

just has said it so many times that I don't have one child I have three kids and you know she counts my kids as her own but you know she doesn't say it to make me feel better uh I have seen her as not just a staff member but now as my family member how she takes care of she loves me she loves my kids and uh how she's a team player and she's not even you know studied anything in management but she's able to manage things and uh she's living far away from her family

and she's managing over there her family as well you know I really salute her and I really love her so I would right now celebrate her oh I I hope this message gets to her because that's beautiful yeah and for you we have a bouquet to say a huge thank you and there's a card in it from the previous guest that wrote you a little message oh wow and now you get to write the message for the next guest thank you so much I love this this is such a beautiful color oh yeah it is

isn't it it is and these flowers are from lej so thank you for sending that to us yeah thank you so much no thank you my day no and now if you have any party thoughts to share with us anything you want to share before we wrap up there are a few things a few points I would say for everyone be it um man or a woman it is very important to keep dreaming and it is very very important to keep your bucket list I say it on repeat you do not have to keep it

time bound but keep your bucket list alive so that's how you achieve more and you become Larger than Life oh wow and what's the next thing on your bucket list oh you know more than individual uh achievements now I feel like empowering other people and that's what's next on my bucket list that I want to uh en incourage people to dream and help them achieve their dreams and one of the things that I have been working on is getting a school to educate children who cannot afford it and it's work in progress It's been a

while now it's been a year that we're working on it I hope that it comes to our reality that's one of my dreams that I think uh that's top right now amazing well BAS on everything we've heard I know you're going to make it happen I hope so fingers crossed of course and we're excited to see what else you do son but thank you so much for being here today and it was a lovely conversation thank you so much it was fantastic being here thank you [Music]