GUSTAVO SANTOS (A VIDA COM ESQUIZOFRENIA) - PODPEOPLE #179

[Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] our guest today is a 31 year old who was diagnosed with schizophrenia at the age of 19 and has faced significant challenges over the years he shares his experience of what it's like living with this disorder, demonstrating resilience and dedication to daily overcoming obstacles related to your mental health. In this meeting we will talk about your journey, the impact of skiing on your life, daily challenges, family support, treatments and how faith and physical activity help help in the recovery process with you Gustavo Santos [Music] [Music] Hello, everyone, welcome to another

episode of pod people, a place where we meet to see and hear people People who Do People who happen, people who inspire our guest today is a boy who lives with schizophrenia his name is Gustavo Santos Good evening my dear Thank you very much I appreciate you making me do this Doctor no please please Very good first my dear I saw your interviews around and I found them very interesting and as we had never talked about schizophrenia, I said the best thing we can do is bring someone who has schizophrenia Because anyone else who doesn't

have it can imagine, for example, I studied but the study does not replace the experience itself So I wanted to start and Stephany can participate as she wants, okay, and you can poke her and bring her to talk, you're asking the following, what was Gustavo like before his diagnosis? Since he was little, he says everything he remembers or that she will help him remember when he's little, I think little one I always really liked watching television, right, since I was little, I watched television, a fan of television, but what programs did anyone Ah, anyone, were

you a Telo maniac, that V television, those things, I understood uhum, and then we had a time when we lost our television at home You know, then my mother said that television was a sin, I don't know what we spent for a period without television, I think it was about three years, how old were you, approximately, I think you were about 11 or 12 at the time, then your addiction was cut off? It stayed there and cut And then you felt the shit, right? I felt it. I went to my sister's house to be able

to watch television, to watch television because I have three, two brothers and three sisters, you're the youngest, you're the youngest, the rest, you're married. the others I'm sixth ahem and we went because of my sister ass television then you got there with no excuse you arrived and turned on the television arrived and turned on the television then there I remember it was at the time of Brazil I think 2000 and 2002 right, 2002 I saw it at the World Cup, there was the World Cup, we saw it at the World Cup, we saw it on

the radio. And then, you remember, you saw it on the radio, but for example, at your sisters' or brothers' house, there was no problem, the television was there, it was there, OK, then. You ran away from home, you ran away from home, you slept at my sister's house, my sisters, all me and her, right, because my father married twice, right, uh, first marriage. There were four children, the widower's first, and the widower of the first, these four are your brothers. part of the father's side of the father's side, then he married my mother, who had

me and Stephany, I understand, oh, so you are from the second marriage in the marriage, so you are more united, people don't have much distinction with ours, we are well united, if yes, we are raw, like fam, then fam, meso and your mother also hugged, hugged and lived together, we ate everyone's brother, even though in the beginning it was difficult for them to accept her, right, because they were teenagers, they lost their mother, anyway, but today, after the become an adult, they got married And then it's everyone A big family, thank God A big family

indeed And then as a teenager, around 14 years old, I went to school a lot, I got a lot of suspension at school, a lot of suspension, I swear, I think that from the first to the eighth grade, a lot of suspension for people called me big-headed, the nicknames bullying Ah yes, ah Big-headed, then I cried, I already said everything, crying, nervous, hmm, I discounted people, oh no, but then you were teased, you were teased, but without fic, very shy, you know, I didn't get up from da from the common chair, I didn't ask questions

if I had any doubts, in the lesson I didn't ask anything out of fear, like, I'll stay quiet here so she doesn't notice me, so she doesn't notice me or get up, he was always very fearful too, right? He never liked to be alone very much, very very shy, he's inpeco, ahem, sensitive in what aspect Gustavo gives me an example, like a dog thing like that, my dog for example mancan col something wrong with a dog, you know these videos are kind of like I'm already I can't even see so sensitive what are these things

I understand, I understand dog I think I also have this defect there too ah I admire veterinarians I deal well with human suffering I'm going there, dog, stay, you see those videos of the Jaguar biting, I know what, I hate one animal eating another, I can't, I can't see it, there are people who put it on to distract themselves That makes me terrified, terrified, I prefer to believe that every day, one day, everyone will eat leaf, so I still feel sorry for the leaf, I have to be careful to feel sorry for the leaf, so

we understand perfectly And then, when I was 14, sometimes I cleaned my sister Elisângela's house, right, to earn R5 oh, what was that like? but I cleaned more to clean her house quickly, okay I think I stayed for a few days or less than a month, I stayed there, I cleaned everything to earn R 5 and then I went there, do you remember, right, it was at the time of the Tabernacle Which house was next to Maria's house, oh ok, but she was the one who called you or you arrived like that, hey, I arrived

and arrived. It's good you don't understand, okay, you were proactive. You offered something to get something Uhmm. And then 14 years ago I looked at my nephews, remember, right? I remember my nephew Gabriel and Pedro, I left school and then I was And then I earned 50 a month to take care of my nephews Gabriel, it's easy Gabriel and Pedro are naughty Ah, Pedro It's Gabriel All Gabriel is good Pedro is complicated, complicated, right? And you liked children, I always liked my nephew, playing that wrestling thing, you know, getting everyone together with me, there were

always a lot of nephews, right? We have a lot of them. And then I cried to my father there. father, his mother, hey, he hit me, I don't know, but it was a joke, super hero games, games like that, I went after them, I ran faster than them, you know, I had more, Of course, but now they run faster than me, but you, playing, were playing. brin was a job that you used to play, really, to play, you felt good with them, in that sense, you played football, you grabbed my mother's belly, she got angry

Uh, so you weren't calm, you were shy, shy Yes, but you weren't calm, weren't you? Calm down never wow he was terrible like Terrible he was very imperative like that, right so he was very creative He always had it even though he was shy He was always in the groups so he had friends so he played terror in church I remember he once stole a bottle of Candida in the church's rou delent why are you nervous it's water then ah the big bleach is talking about it's bleach he spilled some pants on himself his pants

turned all white well he had pants on er it was on his skin Tell me The church workers drew attention, they kicked him in the shins and ran away. So he was very angry, he was always very angry, energetic like that, but for example, did you have friends or were they family because the big family already favored you, right? I think it was more like family. but your family at school, no, at school, always quiet, you were at the end of the school, you wanted not to be seen, not to be seen, preferably to see

me, that's when if you went out, I would get up, thinking that the person would see you, you know, I understood, it bothered me like that. like, I'm not even going to ask for the bathroom because everyone is going to look at me, I'm going to keep this pee here until I can, I'm going to ask what I understood, that I didn't understand the subject at all Ahem, with this fear of being seen and attracting attention It's perfect perfect and then when life starts to change until I was 14 15 17 years old, um, before

the barracks I started working at a warehouse company, right, Coelho, right, deposit deposit, deposit, you worked with wire installation, these things, it was the deposit of merchandise, that's what a warehouse And then I stayed there, I did, I actually, my profession was I was a salesman uhum But I was never selling, I was always in the other store that was going to change the store for us I would go to another store, I would stay for a minute and the boss would leave it at that other store and there I would clean the bathroom, I

would clean the ceiling because you didn't want to stay at the counter so you wouldn't end up with these exhibits. I wanted to stay at the counter. Ah, you wanted to. because I was with a salesperson and the m were all there while the m were there I was in the other one, it was just me who was doing things, I understood and then I felt a bit wronged but it wasn't worse being at the counter Ah, it wasn't better, you thought, you thought, because the Time passes better, right? You go there with the customers.

I understood why he always ordered something to be painted. Then he ordered a bathroom to be cleaned. Then he put scaffolding in the store. I went up with the squeegee. I squeegeed it . The boys noticed because I think because of the time at the barracks Aham Then he weighed it, you know, say if he doesn't leave, there's no other company that's going to get him because he's in the barracks phase, I understand, but I stayed there for about four months only then leave because you were ready to go to the barracks for the barracks

So no one wanted to give a job because they were going to leave, I understand, then it was the warehouse then I worked as a gas station attendant uhum ah gas station attendant I spent 8 months as a gas station attendant and then at a night printing shop but you already worked, eh? It's always always been a chase, always a chase, since cleaning your sister's yard, taking care of us, frst, was that your initiative or did your family say, no, my line, you really liked it. There was a program, I don't know if it was

already or not, patrollers, patrollers, no. She spent they took young people to work in companies jingle smaller apprentice perfect perfect I think I had a deadline of two years, right, you stayed there and depending on whether you were hired or not, I understood but I really wanted to go there but I never scored well I was never good at tests, no, when taking the test it's a test and at school which subjects did you like the most history history geography uhum more P for Portuguese literature everything B now mathematics chemistry and physics forget it was

suffering is suffering you were from human area, right, human, okay And history, the teachers, these three subjects, history, rafia, Portuguese, literature, the teachers were cool because Teachers have a lot of influence on us liking a subject Oh, more or less, there was a lot of mess in the room, right, I understand, public school, I understand, it's the teacher comes in sometimes he sits down and doesn't do anything, right? He tells me to open it on Christmas Day and stay studying, I understand, I learned more in the last two years when I was in high school,

you know, we were in the same school, right? She was in the third grade, she was in the second grade. I learned that I thought you changed schools, right, then I went to a better school, I assimilated biology well, also biology, you started to like it, oh, perfect, perfect, the names are weird to write, right, the names are weird, even after it gets worse, the mitochondria becomes easy Gold complex It's easy, so how do you do cellular digestion? You know, cellular digestion? The Gold complex you're talking about doesn't produce mitoc ? I won't remember everything,

but for example, mitochondria is energy production, right? You have a good memory, there's the GO complex, it was for protein production, there's alum, a little song, right, I never had the song, no, does anyone remember it now? I've seen it on the internet that you can record it, it's the name of Ah, that's cool, how ISO says about the cell, cytology, cytology, cytology, cytology, no, in my time there wasn't a little song, it wasn't easy . Put on some music, it makes it really easy to record, that's really cool , there wasn't YouTube in my

day, right? It's YouTube, I think it was 2005, right ? It's a disease that you like to draw, it doesn't depend on that, it's not a rule, no, no, no, it's not what you liked to do when you were a child, but that's it, I watched television, I watched television, that was your fixation. Wow, my fixation has always been, amen, since I was little. There was a day when I left my house barefoot to go to the house my sister's house, she lived, I think it was about 10 minutes away, right? I left barefoot and

ran to her house And then I got there when I got there, I was lost, I had a blister on my foot and there at her house, I actually remember that, I don't like getting to television uhum that's the passion huh that was passion, right ? Even today he likes television television, right, you also watch it today, eh, something is a series, series, then you put more on the computer, and animation, too, desan everything that is an image, so everything that is an image Exactly everything that is an image is a documentary, it's also a

good documentary, less animals eating animals, less with the only thing that's not worth it Desc finds out exactly, I can't either And then, in that last service of mine, when I was 19 years old, that's when I discovered the disease, right, how was it? This is the phase of discovering the disease, so after I left my job at the printing company where I worked at night, I think it was from midnight to 6 in the morning, I stayed for a week, uh, I can't do it , and then I was And then I I left

and then it was a Thursday, I think I went, I got my work card and some CVs, I put them in a folder and I went to the center of Campinas, there in my city uhum And then after that I don't remember how I got back, although I don't remember anything, no. I remember that I was so bad that I stopped at a corner bar and gave my resume in a corner bar ahem Um, it's like flashes, flashes, that's it. You just remember that you left the printing shop and I went there, I went to

the center on a Thursday- fair to distribute CV then I don't remember how I got back though and do you remember that time Stephanie I remember I remember like that I remember why then he didn't come back home, right he came back later, right And it was the same episode that you had gone to Ouro Verde that we had We found it, we arrived, I said, Oh, there was rat poison that had caught rat poison, we found it in his bag and do you remember that, I remember buying more flech, I remember the poison but

I don't know what happened to him afterwards, but like the poison you you bought it before, but it was before that day that you left the printing shop and started distributing your resume, I think it was the day before the poison, the day before, so something was already different, I felt it was different, I was losing sleep, ah, managing to sleep, I got to home for my father, father, take him to Cândido, Cândido is a hospital in my city, you know, a psychiatric hospital, I don't know if I heard about it . only you had

a perception like something is wrong with me wrong it was strange and you were asking them to take you to the hospital it's so much that he said no there it's not your place no son you're going to stay here uhum I understood and then I gathered The family then gathered the family prayed that they are part of the church, right Uhum And then my sister said I'm going to take him to my house Uhum And then he took him to the house at that time I already took the Bible I kept the Bible under

my arm um I went to her house And then When I got there, I don't remember much, but I remember that my friend was saying that I didn't know how to recognize my name. He wasn't recognizing my name Uh, he started to get confused with biblical characters . I was no longer in my head with this understanding but you remember that because he has something very interesting like he goes to work in a printing shop which was the night shift No, that's it at night you worked at night and that is a trigger the lack

of sleep It can be a trigger to open up certain types of disorders, um, interesting. So he, you see that he can't last very long, he doesn't sleep and then he starts to change his behavior, he realizes that, he asks for help, but people don't understand, that's what was happening. No one was understanding anything because Gustavo was always a very introspective person, so he was already coming from a painting, I don't remember exactly what the period of time was, but he closed himself off Uh, he became more closed off, even more closed off, that's when

he almost didn't. I didn't go out, I didn't socialize and it coincided He's satisfied with the service and we were worried and we realized that there wasn't, right, I was different, I felt more introverted, I wasn't happy, I wasn't sometimes aggressive, angry, although he he Yes, he was, he was always a bit of a short-tempered person, but he was more, you know, the limit had already been exceeded Uhum And then after that happened, he had gone to my sister's house, but the way he was, my sister had the girls they were younger at the time,

she was afraid to stay with him there because she didn't know what could happen because he was no longer in his senses so he was already saying things like that a lot, do you remember what you were saying, I remember I read a verse in Bible that if something is killed with a sword something like that stuck in my head that I remember as if it were a message is then you must have started to imagine that there was a Plot to take your life and started to behave in a num num num behavior of

trying to defend himself from that, that's what also happened because to him a little earlier you had already started to have a mania of persecution, you know, you had stopped going to church a lot because he thought the pastor of the church was preaching to him, he was talking to el paranoia he started with this paranoia how long ago two months before for us I think it was a month and a half 1 month and a half practically two months and then They took PR pr to Márcia right that Márcia is a cousin Wow she

is a psychologist Uhum And in this day , when he started with this episode of the outbreak, he went because she was my sister's neighbor and he had gone there to sleep for two minutes at her house and then he got there, I remember talking to her and I also don't remember that I wrote some things like that some numbers that I wrote that were talking about the end of the world, that's what she already had. I wanted to see what I was going to say to myself. I had discovered something, something that linked a

prophecy, something like that, right ? of a Delusion starting to create a reality that for you is absolute truth, right, it's important that we understand what people think Ah, that's a fantasy in your head, no, when he starts to get sick he starts to really believe in that Yes so he must have thought that what the pastor was saying was an encrypted message and that there were passages that talked about things that could happen to you and he was certain, so Márcia must have realized at that moment, Márcia is a psychologist, right? you that he

was having an Exactly ISO Delirium And then she told my sister uhum like don't keep him at your house, call your parents and take him to the hospital and then they arrived, right, to medicate then my father and mother arrived at home to catch me there I didn't want to go in the front seat because I had watched a movie where the little girl in the front seat his father died so I started mixing something else I understand you went mixing the mother said go ahead I said No mother I'm going in the back, I

started and I didn't say why not, I didn't say, you didn't say why, but in you, but in that film where the boy was in front of the car and then his father died, I started then, at that point, he started to mix everything up as if If you were to go ahead, an accident could happen like in the film, you would feel responsible for your father's death. I understood that, it left you quite terrified. I was wearing a blouse, I put on a cap, so I had a cap on my head and I went

in the car as if If it was something like that, it was true for you, exactly, so you were suffering from it, it wasn't a question of stop talking nonsense, you were mixing it up with religious things, that's not it, it's with movie things, that's what I like, right? I understood it all. it was packaged and creating a reality but a very uncomfortable reality, right Gustav, very remember when we arrived at the hospital I was watching television then I already thought it was the end of the world it changed the thought changed I already thought

it was the end of the world Uhum And then The doctor called me, the doctor also, I don't remember what he said, right? He didn't want to admit him, I had stayed at home and my parents had gone out to get him and take him to the hospital. This hospital is a hospital right nearby, Public Hospital, ok, and they went there in an attempt to get him medicated at least so he could sleep. I understood, I understood why he wasn't sleeping. Yes, that's one of the initial characteristics . being able to sleep and not being

able to sleep he said Let's give him some peace, right, to see if he sleeps and we, because no one imagined what could happen, yes, and then he gave, I think, an injection and a pill, uhum pill. They got home, right? I remember him When I got home I was awake, I still didn't sleep at all, right, I didn't sleep at all because we slept in the same room, right, I shared the room, it was a bunk bed Bel, but my mother was worried and as my mother is a light sleeper She took him to

her and my father's room and I stayed in my room I saw that they arrived I said so now it's time to sleep I went to my room to sleep and he went to my mother's room but my mother fell asleep, yeah I would get up and say lie down then I would get up and say lie down. In one of these she turned it off, yes, I was tired, I went nainha and then he gave you a lot of stab wounds Uh, that was a thing, you were already hearing voices, it wasn't automatic, you

know, it was a thought. It was, it was, I just didn't know where I was going. I just got up and went to the kitchen and did these things, but somehow there was some thought that influenced you to hurt yourself. I didn't go there and do it. rooster in the in the mouth then you remembered the Bible again then you remembered pedo that wait there's a rooster rooster chicken animal Gal Oh when you when Peter like Peter denied Jesus that the rooster crowed Ah yes yes yes and then he mixed this in your head then

you made that sound and you did I understood I understood you made that sound and then it changed and I was twisted and I said forgive me dad ahem I was with my father's Bible I was with my father's Bible which got it all dirty but then you were very confused you were very confused There wasn't what I'm talking about, you didn't have it at that moment, everything was mixed up like this, religious information, films, ideas, people, you weren't able to, for example, organize a thought, you weren't, you see that you end up hurting yourself

in an absolutely automatic way, you change, you see one delirium then goes to another, it goes on and on like this, right, exactly, it changed, right, it changed quickly, you didn't tell me, dad, you went to the kitchen, you slipped on the blood, poor thing, oh, then you called my brother-in-law, my brother-in-law arrived there without a shirt, just barefoot, he already took him to the hospital Uhum, me too I don't remember that part, he said I was just jumping the car, right? It was a lot of work, it's probably because he was so excited, he

opened the car doors to jump PR out because he thought somehow he was finding them, I know they finished. arriving at the hospital on foot because my mother found him, I don't know if he was , he wasn't a beggar, right ? brother-in-law with the car calmly and they following AC ch He lost a lot of blood Wow, we have a red shirt, I'm a blood donor, even more so, our house was left, I even thought he had pierced his eye because he was rubbing his face, he lost his dad and it was on the

wall and he was all bloody so it was like that and I opened the bedroom door and he was right in front of me like that at 3 in the morning you went to sleep like that Tom He took the injection, everything is fine, right? go to sleep and you woke up when I opened it I went out in my nightgown in the middle of the street to my sister's house and screamed he's going to die he's going to die like that it was desperate my mother hugged me I forgave it's forgiveness she didn't say

it's like she said it my Gu my Gu my Gu was very desperate and you remember like, what do you mean, then I remember the boy holding me and the guy at the bar, this one I said, are you going to speak Japanese then say something strange, are you going to speak in English, said something strange ahem And then he looked at the sky and said he called dragon Where is my dragon my dragon there was everything everything everything like that the thoughts no longer formed anything it was like pieces fragments I remember when I

stopped talking I felt pain Uhmm then when I spoke I didn't feel any pain, you know, I felt pain from the cuts you had made, that's when I was saying bad words like that, there was no pain If I stopped talking, I felt the pain, that's what's strange too , I found it kind of strange, but interesting when you say it very strong things the pain got better, it got better, it got better And then if I stopped the pain, you would concentrate on the pain and feel the pain was very strong, okay, you went

to the General Hospital at that time, to the same hospital where they medicated him, but then he got there, he was transferred to PUC, we have a PUC there in Campinas too, then he was transferred there and from there he was already tied up and admitted to hospital for the same month, then they carried out an exam and I saw that there was surgery uhum they saw that it hit the gallbladder Uhum And then they prepared him for surgery, I remember the surgery they were leaving So, you know, I said, Ready now, I'm going to

stay on the cross, I thought, but it wasn't them preparing for surgery, yes, you have to keep thinking that you have to get the vein exactly, stay on the cross, now remember that when we're in the surgical center, we're usually in position of the cross, it stays, I said, I'm going to stay on the cross, now that's my thought, then I thought, like, no, here's the arm to take once, here's the other arm, I didn't think it was the cross, it's because, unlike me, I always went to the hospital a lot, I was always very

sick, Gustavo had never done anything like that, he never did, so he went to the hospital and then he had to have an operation to remove the gallbladder. He had to remove the gallbladder. So he injured the gallbladder. And these, these, these injuries, right? Then after the surgery I blacked out and when I woke up I looked at the cut and I thought my son had been taken away I understood but it changed again Uhm it was the antichrist that generates antichrist from me uhm it wasn't one delusion after another at an incalculable speed this

is rare, funny, there is usually a Delusion that is more consistent, his changed it as if it were on television, right, changing the programming Look how interesting And then I ran naked to the hospital, I took it, I took the probe, I had a probe, I took the probe, and we ran away We had left, right? Family had left because he was in recovery, he was in the general hospital so he could do Bake, the hospital would call my mother to return, but then they called to say Gustavo is running around the hospital, security is

coming here now and you know what? At the moment when I was running around naked, another image came from a film showing that a boy had had surgery that was going to ruin the film. It was the island, the age of chronicles, you know, some chronicles where rich people go there and make a cron, if necessary, kill the cron, ahem, there it is. part with the boy rushes to surgery and then I did the same thing that the boy did in the film Guys, you put everything together and created an absolutely complex and unstable Delirium

because it was one thing after another As if you were changing the channel Very random, well random but for him absolute reality then I don't remember anything else then I remember they tied him up then he got stuck uhum legs and arms didn't break the surgery he could die yes Do you remember what it was There was a time when I said it was hul I started to destroy everything, no, Ju was with you, right, Ju, is my brother-in-law who was with you, I thought I had been swept away and my brother-in-law had stayed with

me there, then it changed, I don't understand, everything changed because our brother-in-law, he didn't, he didn't. goes to church so he had understood that everyone had gone to heaven and he had become fic brother-in-law I understood that it means and only bad things, right only bad things that is the despair of the Delirium that people don't understand that there is no good delusion like , here we arrived in heaven I'm calm, it's always desperate Dem, it's a chaotic reality , it's a chaotic reality and there's always a lot of threat and always a lot of

bad things, that's why it's desperate, run away, right, you run away, it's not to run away from anyone. to escape from a reality that for you is real, you know, there they are, he's in this General Hospital That's it because the surgery was in the general hospital there They say that, Well, I think the people at the General Hospital said we're going to have to have it here a team of psychiatrists because we can't contain him and we're going to have to give him real medicine because what they did to you calms you down Leo

doesn't even calm down one cell Zinha, I think I'll send it later, right, the psychiatrist is Dr José Aham Because I remembered that it's José from Egypt oh José from Egypt from Egypt, the moment I saw him I said this is José from Egypt I thought then you calmed down a little and I told myself he was José from Egypt Egypt At least you didn't see it as a bad thing at that moment, right, you just had a good feeling, it was José from Egypt, I'm bleeding from José then, after that, I don't remember, I

remember I talked to my mother, I don't know if he's already given medicine Ahem Then the investigations began, right PR, yes, but he was already being medicated, he was sent medic, he started with risperidone risperidone Do you remember, I remember, esperidon was esperidon olanzapine olanzapine oh it's ziprasidone I think ziprol I don't know anything and the last one now clina clos Pina boy changed There was a lot of change, we're going to get to the medicine, but his memory is perfect, okay, and then they started the investigation, but he was discharged when he had the

surgery a few days later, after seven days, he was hospitalized there for seven days, and he started to get better, a little bit, he started coming back. after Dr José from Egypt Thank God, right? Wow, you accepted, I remember when I went to write a paper, it was different. It seemed to be flowing, but you know, I don't know how to explain it, but then it was flowing, it seemed to be better, right, when you started taking the medicine, I understand. I started to write a paper so that the ideas started to emerge uhum it

was reorganizing the thought which is what I said you were so disconnected that you had no thought they were flashes as if they were little pieces of film, right, it was putting the Bible together exactly, it wasn't mixing everything that was your experience, you were in the archive of your brain, right, the films, the Bible, everything, your family was making a cake, right, it was the boy was in the room with me, the boys were in the room, there were two boys in the room but there in this hospital in this same hospital where you

operated, that's it, I thought I was going to stay on the cross like Jesus and they were the two thieves who stood by me ah on the cross there was also this Delirium I also understood I understood and I look crucifix there is a Catholic hospital , right? Jesus, I think it was 3 hours Ah, 15 hours, I didn't know, I think it's I don't know if I didn't know, it's information that you had also never stopped to think about, so you were worried about it, waiting , changing your thoughts all the time, right, Every

time h but you didn't get to talk to the boys who were by your side Who was it? Who were they? Ah, he knows how to command me. He was up to a lot. He was messing around. There was a time when he said he was Spider-Man . superheroes everything everything he liked everything that didn't stay everything, right? It's as if his brain had been shaken, all the information he had was turning into disorganized thoughts, right ? bad even Jesus was in the middle of something bad because he was about to die, right, there wasn't

a Jesus who was coming there to save, calm down, that was also bad . outbreak after the outbreak I was at first talking about thinking in excess until today I say, you know, I'm thinking in excess which is the voices uhum I understand I started hearing after the outbreak after you left there and I was already medicated so you stopped Believing in situations is clueless, that's what got better with resperidone for us, there was a little bit, you know, with the graffiti on the side of the street, things like that, Uh, but over time, hox,

there's still a little bit, but it's much better, right, yes, but it's something like that. a distrust but you have a criticism you say so don't let it go it's not that big you can have a criticism because when we are in Delirium we can't have criticism We are sure even if the pastor Jesus arrives for you to speak That's not what you're going to say, that's what it is, right? It's not an issue that you control. So when you have paranoia today and what you say, no, it's not like that, you're having control, right?

Otherwise, you wouldn't have any control, that's true. It's a good sign of what I'm talking about now he leaves there, you know, in a week he goes to where PR our house is to your house but he was already there medicated I was medicated I was able to sleep more or less, right, it's a lot of nightmare nightmare weight I remember that when he got home I was the one who didn't sleep because I had post-traumatic stress disorder because of the episode after that, not just because you saw that And then I remember that our

first night at home I didn't sleep because I Ach then he and my mother slept in the same room, everyone was terrified That everyone was terrified, so I wasn't sleeping because he wasn't sleeping either and I was scared to death of him get up and everything happens again I know that at 4 am the time the first bus arrived I was already going to work because I hadn't been able to sleep I couldn't be at home with him because I was scared to death of everything happening again understand I understand like, if it happens, I'm

not exactly prepared, so I lived with that You know that feeling of my God of danger like that, it was horrible It was horrible, like it was an alarm and waking up was terrible And then, but then I went, right, being medicated And Then things were, thanks to God, returning to their normality like that, you know, within the new reality within the new reality until And when they arrive and talk about the Diagnosis, how it was, they remember because those who accompanied the author, Manuela, a resident, and then José do Egypt had already given him

the diagnosis and he went to Manuela who was a resident at the time and her head of CAPS didn't give puuk for enant And then the caps also went to Caps was passing by PUK and Caps only they said that it wasn't good to pass it in two, right, it was good to choose one so I could have aaa practice, right? And then I chose the caps because I couldn't keep my leg still, you know, but I don't know if the effect of the medicine is that the leg keeps moving, that's right, acaia acaia of

the side effect medicine to this day I have it there with that peridone beep yes to try which is what everyone knows as and the PUK doctor didn't know what this cap medicine was, did you know I said I'll stay with it because she was very young Yes, she was going to learn why acne Tom is old and it works And then I went through with it and then I stayed at Caps, I've been there for 11 years now, you're 11 years old and you feel good there, I've done group therapy, individual therapy, ah therapy,

The outdoors, you diary What do you think improved, I think it was the medication, it was the medication and the therapy. Do you think the therapy made a difference? I spent 7 years going from home to Caps, you know, Caps and home Caps, then in 2019 I went to a psychologist, he said, he indicated Why You don't go to the gym, I said, oh, I'm going to do it. Uh, I did. I liked it. He said that you gained weight because of the medicines. He gained weight, saying that because neuroleptics, right, which are all the

medicines that you said, we call them neuroleptics, which are antipsychotics to reduce Delirium, reduce voices, they act and their side effect can cause this little involuntary movement that we call akathisia and can also cause a very large weight gain. Yes, you went to how much 120 kg 120 120 k was it 120 kg, I was aware that this was from the medicine, ah, he stayed a lot, we also imagined that he stayed a lot. I imagined, but he also didn't do anything, he didn't go anywhere, his thing was just to go to Caps and home

to Caps, so then he went back to television ahem okay And then when they told you, look, you'll have it because it's not like the medicine makes you gain weight on its own, okay, it tends to make you gain weight, it increases your appetite for sweets You should be an ant picking up everything you see in the house, eh and So, when did you figure it out, so I can keep taking the medicine as I need it? I only lose weight by exercising, when did you figure it out, I started on the treadmill, I think

it was an hour ago, then I did it, I liked it, I started doing it. I saw that it was giving great results with food but still taking medication uhum and then it was good then you saw the result then you saw the result blindfolded you would say that exercise was a good addiction it's a good addiction therapy too, right therapy has so much value as for the medicine as for the therapy you would put the three of them in there our gym I fell in love with the gym uhum I swear it's like it

and you like it so much I like it more like cardio on cardio on the treadmill Uhum And you do it every day I do I'll only go there on Saturday Sunday, no, because the gym is closed, it's not open either Ah, okay. open but you rest it gives you but from Monday to Friday you do it religiously and you feel good yes it's not enough lunch no more and you see you lost 30 kg here it's 120 it's a thing because the exercise itself I remember that I entered I think in the first month

I lost 11 kg in the first month first month Wow, so you did the treadmill, right, you didn't, but I don't run, I don't walk, I only walk for an hour, walking, that's 5 km, okay, how fast do you do it? km/h six 6.0 6.0, right, it's a good walk, good, good, good, you're a man, when I put on 5, I already think it's a little tight, but six, okay, okay, okay, you can't run, don't run, I won't do a shot that they say, right, you run a little bit to run a little bit to

also increase resistance, right, you can do it too Ah, more or less, more or less, you only do one shot, right, At the time, just one and stop, and on the incline, there's also a treadmill. people who lean over the treadmill, right, to get more uhum, ok And today What are the medicines you take clapin S clapin only and do you do the blood measurement correctly, do it every first Monday of the month clina that I also don't understand why you have to do it because the clos apina she is Maybe it's the best antipsychotic

there is but it has an effect for example it doesn't give much Catia for example it doesn't increase weight like others did and it has more it is better but it has a rare possibility of doing so a side effect that would make a difference in the production of platelets in the blood, this is important to be monitored because if it is caught, it is resolved early on. So you have to follow up on the blood test, then I get the prescription for the blood test, then I'll cover the cost Getting the medicine is Manuela

who comes by, isn't it? Doctor, I can't say her name because it's easy to find her on the internet, well, so let's not talk, I'm saying it like this, I'm saying it because I congratulated her, because that's how it has to be passed on to Clos Pina. with blood monitoring, I don't teach a lot of things because I've seen a lot of people go through it and I said the blood tests I've never asked for, I know mine too who wants to take a Pina Cruz but doesn't do a blood test so it's wrong, so

whatever No, I'm not asking for your doctor's name, it's for you when you go there to say, look, say that Bia sent her congratulations so she could send it, understand why you can't go to Clos Pina without having this blood test follow-up, so she's doing it right, no Go for a blood test, I don't take medicine, but that's right, that's right, it's because people do everything wrong. It seems like whoever is doing it right, you said, why is it annoying, you have to ask for the test? But she's absolutely right, she's taking care of your

health. with a lot of affection, with a lot of care and competence, otherwise she wouldn't ask But it's much better, my last hospitalization was 5 months ago, it was kind of bad for me and you started clos Pina not long ago, I think about 4 years, right about 4 Years ago you thought it was the best, it was of all Because it used to give rise to voices early, right, but now it no longer causes voices to appear early, it occurs more than later, I generally heard voices using the other medicines, I still hear them,

yes, but when you were using esperidon Lan zapinha then you heard it early then you listened to it all day that today I only listen to it in the afternoon 2 o'clock in the afternoon at the end sometimes 2 o'clock it starts to get dark Do you think you have a relationship the earliest it comes is 2 o'clock in the afternoon 3 o'clock but on average When The sun starts to go down, that's interesting And then I listen to it at least twice a week, ahem, an interval of three to four days, okay And the

voices always say bad things, it's always not a good thing because otherwise it's not Hallucination If you came here in a group of children like this, if you have or My voices will say do a lot of things with children Exactly they are think are are things that you you find strange you know that it is not your thought you will get children like that with that like you you don't even touch the child F exactly you are afraid that those thoughts are as if in 20 seconds 50 thoughts come at once and don't stop

And then I go to my room if I have one at home I close the bedroom window and go to bed I start singing six songs I always sing, you know, and have you ever tried listening to music on headphones, but I prefer it more in my head? Headphones also help the headphones, right, but I like singing in my head more than laying down Uhum And if he's in a shopping mall, something like that, the trip ends for him at the pharmacy, the grocery store, then we don't have a place, you don't have a place

to lie down, so you're going to stay listening to a lot of things to do with people and then you get home and go to bed and then you're like you need that calm for you to manage . the music, right? I understand that's why I go to my room and I keep singing until it's hard to concentrate to sing. Okay, but it eases a little. You sing mentally mentally to hold the thought. It's as if you mentally create a thought with the lyrics of the song. And then it's as if neutralize these others that

the voices bring still come but it gives you relief, it doesn't give you relief, you can compete, right? If you don't do that, they win, they'll keep attacking, they 'll stay, they'll get fired up And then it takes four to 5 hours to pass Or sometimes it only happens the next day uhum and then I have a break of three four days, there was a day when you still have auditory hallucinations two three times a week, I understand, when the third day arrives, I see that it's no longer the case, it's over. the expectation, right,

it can happen today, it can happen, I understand, if I see that it's the weekend, Friday, say ready now, at least the weekend is not supposed to happen, I understand, sometimes it can happen twice in a row, two days in a row, in general, no, no, generally, no After Clos Pina, sometimes it doesn't happen, but Clos Apina is what improved, because it happened early, right, that's what I'm talking about, it took longer and more often, I understand, I understand, it improved a lot, it improved a lot, and it also increased, there was a day when

it increased. Cruz Pina was there, there was one where I didn't hear the voices for a week when it changed, I increased the dose of Cruz Pina a little bit Right at the beginning Right at the beginning, now it came back again twice but I saw that it got better, it still got better It got better for a week, wow, so good I thought I had lost it, I said it, OK, now I won't see it anymore, but that's interesting, I'm going to get my medicine and I'm going to start listening, too, to set another

cost, ahem, when you go there, it's always, or in the market, some shopping mall like that, and always bad things right, always always impressive, right, because if a voice said a little good thing , right, it said a good thing, 10% only good things, but it's rare, right, but it's a good thing in the middle of an option of bad things, right, It's a lot Uhum So that's a lot It's difficult and it doesn't stop and the only way is to lie down and wait for it to pass, you've started to learn how to manage

it, that's not it, I have to be quiet so I can create thoughts that compete with these voices, it's to hold on to it, right Uh, give it a tiredness, no, no, I don't like it, it's too much, I remember when I get up that I stop listening, wow, it seems like sometimes it can come back, you know, like, I lay down for 6 hours and then I get up, there are times when it can come back, I understand, then I I can sleep straight away, it will go away the next day because then I

know the voices won't show anymore. The voices won't be there anymore. It's interesting, I don't know. You live in Campinas, right? S Campinas in Campinas, I don't know if there is any stimulation service? transcranial magnetic Because there are protocols that can be done for people who have delusions and hallucinations that could be something that is not medication that can improve us, understand, try to find out why it is done even in the superior pole of the temporal lobe. this Lob here after the ear uhum ok and he is responsible for the delusions and hallucinations Wow

he today has a lot more Hallucinations than delusions yes, you know, today you are much more bothered by the voices and the voices respond more so who knows, right in Campinas There's no service, because it's worth it , it doesn't have any side effects and it can have a very, very good effect . we call it emtr or you can also do tdcs which is a little strip that you put there locates the region here and you It's like you calm down That activity that is producing these voices would be done like a therapy or

not just once and not just once because then it will be done several times as long as it can be controlled. It only does maintenance which can be every 15 15 days everything will depend on his answer there's no way to say yes but it has good results interesting So he's super well medicated yes he is Send congratulations your m eh but we can do a little more um I think it's worth it Travel a lot for sure because you feel You saw the third day, you say, now you don't know how much is going

to happen . I don't know what, so it could be that one day you eat something that then reduces the absorption of the medicine, another day it could be that you don't drink a lot of water, the medicine didn't circulate as it should, there are many things that can happen that don't make the medicine arrive exactly. How do you want there to have the effect of decreasing dopamine in that region which is what produces this uhum okay so what happens when you do magnetic stimulation you go straight there so you act in that region Directly

you you take a road that There aren't all these complications uhum yes that's cool that's why sometimes the medicine varies in action which varies what we ate varies the amount of water we had varies remember when I took PR with food also pidona exactly so everything can vary the absorption of a medicine uhum if it's hot if you're more hydrated you're dehydrated everything can vary and in the stimulation you don't go directly to the very interesting region you stimulate or inhibit that region understand so then if you melass i will be one if you inform

the PC, if they have any service, that's it, because if you need it, then I'll send you the articles that talk about this with scientific proof, but then how it will be, the voices will diminish. What was the expectation ? So if you didn't have it, if you were us, it's called that in schizophrenia. You have productive symptoms, which are delusions and hallucinations . Delusions are what you were supposed to believe in totally clueless situations, right, that was true for you. but no, it wasn't true for the rest of the people, hallucinations are when you

hear or see things, okay, you've improved a lot from the Delirium, right? Yes, but you still have the hallucinations, they make you suffer a lot, so this area of ​​the superior temporal lobe is the superior pole of the temporal lobe, you treat exactly the productive symptoms, you know, because there are people who don't have productive symptoms, but at the same time that person is completely like that, we wouldn't have this conversation we're having, I wouldn't have the hug you gave me when you arrived, it's the same a lot to take it like this because you

see that it's true, right? It's because the productive symptoms are more treatable than the negative symptoms , which are the negative symptoms. I see a lot of people thinking about home like this, even though it's difficult for you to have productive symptoms, it's much more hopeful for us to give you more treatments, endi, you know, so I'm not saying that it's a good thing to have, but the prognosis for us is better, uhm, you understand, so why example, magnetic stimulation, whether by direct current, doesn't hurt, we say direct current, doesn't hurt at all, I'm saying

that I've already done it to myself, so it doesn't hurt, I promise you, no, it's not the talk of a doctor who says that, it hurts You No It hurts me, there's a doctor who's like this , right? doctor, if she wants, I'll send her the reference, okay, okay, if it were in São Paulo, we would have more São Paulo, the capital, we would have more possibilities like that, but of course Campin has it . It's Campinas, right, people, it's Campinas, so at Unicamp there must be, if there is, it's great that we are opening

up a possibility. options you want to write down I'll put it here then I'll give you the little piece of paper Ok, you have the emtr which is transcranial magnetic stimulation And you have TD CS which is also a stimulation but this is a stimulation with a portable device, ok it's simpler but the two are very efficient and all two in the superior temporal pole is this region then I'll give it to you, I can give it to you right away, thank you because when we do it for depression, for example, we only use the

frontal area, which is the area that you are. It's like calling the right person, if you had very negative symptoms like apathy, apathy, apathy, you wouldn't be able to exercise, you wouldn't be able to do any of that, we would have to do some temporary and a little bit here Wow, so everything has the picture. Right, you understand, I understand, but it's worth it. It's a shame Cool, you're sure you'll make it and it'll be good for everyone, haha, I'm sure I don't know, it happened to me here, I don't answer anymore, but I'm a

person who doesn't allow studying, so it's okay Let's go to the pipinho reporter, let's go now we come to the moment ch pipinho reporter that reporter's camera there looks like chocolate, doesn't it look like the people who made it I said it like that it made me want to eat the camera but come on what is the pipinho reporter we have a community called sustainable human being which is a community of people, generally laypeople, but laypeople who are very interested in human behavior. So these people, whenever someone comes here, we say, look, a guest like

this is coming and then they go to these people's networks and research their case like your network is closed, we said this, look, Gustavo's network is closed But you will, I will say, the topic will be schizophrenia so you can perfectly see what doubts you would have And then you generally send us when we have a network open, we talk like this, look, it won't continue now, only after the episode Ah, okay, but then you see it straight first, Bru Gustavo, there are situations or environments that you know can trigger an outbreak. The Outbreak would

be this thing about the voices, it would be this thing when the site M changing routine I think you think that everything that is new is because if it's on the third day, what can happen ? 3 o'clock in the afternoon and then it goes until 8 7 o'clock then it gets worse after a while the expectation that something will not be in his control so everything that is out of his predictability he is already tense so that's how it is, see, I'm already listening, there you go I have to come and go to bed,

I understand more about the environment and then I'm going to ask, no, that wasn't the question, if you don't sleep well, I didn't sleep well, I'm even sleeping, there are days when I say something, by chance it happened one day, I don't know, you took it to watch a series, one series but then with the voices It's the next day that this one won't be there Ah, it might be a little bit, sometimes it might be a little bit very weak, but it stays I understand, so it can happen here too, I said for ISO,

that's why I liked the time, I said that time, right? It wouldn't be the time you wanted, my friend, so I know I'll be calm, right? And Ach, but it generates a little bit of that, and the next day it's a Weaker, but it's clear, so it would be more like that, everything that's new that comes out of your routine places with a lot of people a lot of people and not sleeping well that would be perfect, it all started with you not sleeping well, right, it was printing time, that's right, that's it, that's very

important for you to identify these, we call them triggers and the woman also said to me She said can you handle this time I said I'm not going to stay this time I want to go to college even if I don't know what Yes she asked but you weren't there anymore it was yes just one the match was just the last bit next Bru as a diagnosis Did it impact your relationships and friendships? Did you suffer some prejudice ? I don't think so. I was more closed off, so I don't know that people must be

talking about me, but I don't think so. You felt a difference, Stepan, in people with him. No, people were always very positive. so always welcoming our community there between church and family is because our family itself has always been very united so we have always been very supportive of each other so Even there at the hospital, everyone was always together, a setback was also the pastor who I was persecuted, there were also people from the church, the pastor, so everyone wasn't like that, they always cared a lot about him, you know, even when he came

back today, church but he stayed away from the church for a long time and people were always asking. They never let him, there was no judgment, not that I know of, no, she would be saying, Look, look, look, we'll clear your doubts. She's saying, people have always been very empathetic like that. we never, even as a family, we never heard anything unpleasant about him, no, it's cool if they talk, they talk for each other, right? church too, right, exactly when something leaks the thing simag how cool The people have always been very loving and welcoming

cool perfect next Bru Bru there sorry What are your biggest fears related to schizophrenia or the symptoms you face the symptoms in today's case would be the voices as fear about schizophrenia I think it bites these things when it comes the voices talk to tell me to kill myself and I'll find whoever's talking to me I understand that's my fear, this thing of you losing control and losing that ability What you have to do today is to distinguish what you are and what the voices are It's because today I understand the voices well, right, if

we improve these voices, we're going to make a leap, right? This is to kill me so I'm going to find whoever is talking to me uhum sometimes a window opens by itself and says Ah, it's you in the world of spirits, I don't know what these things are, but a common window in your house is what I was listening to the last time I saw you. It was Saturday Ahem Then I opened a window alone in the church, I said, but why didn't he open it alone, the wind there? Ah, it's true, it made a

noise, no wind . Let's go, let's go by logic, to overcome thoughts, we always have to go by logic, first chance of a window opening, wind, I don't think about the ghost anymore, but let's do the right thing, wind, if there's no wind at all, then we'll pass Nosa, but it was heavy, right No, but it's one of those that do it like this, you know, it opens to the outside, so there's a wind, no, definitely depending on my son, there's a wind of 70 km/h, there's a wind of 180 km/h, there's a tornado in

the United States, see what What does the wind do? There's one now, right? So look at the power of the wind, we don't have that, thank God, we have wind . boat in the sea imagine if you don't open a door open a door a window really opens okay so Every time you think first go to L logic is logic okay Avent natural isn't suggesting let's go first for what it is most of the time okay Uhum next Bru, what strategy do you use to calm your mind when you hear voices, songs, songs, songs, there

are always six songs and they are always the same songs, they are always the same songs, Sam Mariano, voice of truth, who else are they, Silva singers, gosp, you know, I understand, you know the letters by heart are just the ones that come to mind at the time color is almost like a prayer, right it's interesting only these songs always come to mind, even children's music I also understand I understand just to wait to hold it you know Uhum you know that for example people say a lot of Meditation meditation but for example listening to

a song or repeating a song is an act of meditation that calms the brain and like you, every time you hear a voice you feel accelerated. It's true, it's a way of calming down, it's a technique. That's right I don't know if they taught you if you knew this, but you didn't, I did, so you're applying neuroscience without knowing it and it's good, it's working, it's still coming Bru What was the strangest thing you've ever heard from the voices, oh, a lot of things, I remember my Her niece, her daughter, it's very strange, strange, it

wasn't at the mall She said to throw her up there, you know, at the mall, the mall, those malls, there are those escalators, those are those heights. Yes, that makes that difference between these things or killing my puppies Uhm, my dog ​​gave birth once, I told them to grab the dog by the cable and slam it against the wall or flush it down the toilet because pin dog pin tiny pin And then throw dogs down the toilet, these things It would drive you crazy, leave it like that because it doesn't even touch my niece, you're

going to touch them, listening to the voices, I understand why it gets too loud , right? I'm going to do it, right, but it's scary, no, you're not going to do it, but what I'm saying, the medicine helps you to have the strength to control yourself, but the wear and tear is so great, it's as if you were doing mental exercise. these times, right, in this battle of what is the Hallucination of what is your response to talking about the music you get tired you sleep even easier it's because it makes you tired Wow, it's

true it's like it's a physical exercise but you have to go to brain is It's true you must be exhausted the days you hear voices and you have to do this that's why I think it's better to stay like in the room, right? Surely because if you're talking to the person like that you can't make them hear the songs what you say, right, you're going to keep interrupting, say where I left off in the song Exactly, even when we pray mentally, right, any little thing interrupts us to pray again, start the prayer again, when you

say it out loud, you get more Hmm, have you tried doing that When it's getting difficult to get the music out, mine is screaming into the pillow because when you put it out, when you put it out, when you put your voice out, you slow down your thoughts Oh, no, because when you speak, you're giving action to a thought you are thinking and the brain is very bad at doing two things at the same time either it thinks or it acts For example when you are on the difficult treadmill you have a bad thought It's

true why Because the brain the preference is what you are acting so when you have difficulty controlling it because today you are doing it like this thought with thought comes the hearing, right And then you go and start but if you sing to go to the brain you are acting acting has more strength than What do you think, I sang it in church when I was feeling better, right? So sing it out, it's going to be easier, no, because the brain doesn't coordinate this thing. Oh, I do 10 things at the same time . I

lie, it makes 10 things bad, exactly. confuses what I have is an extrusive thought, right, what do you say, but it's not an intrusive thought, because I think intrusive is much lighter, right ? listening from the Outside, the intrusive thought doesn't come from the outside, no, no, it doesn't come from the outside, but intrusive is also really bad because there are no intrusive thoughts that are positive, it's horrible, it's also very bad, so much so that there are people who suffer from that touch serious they end up small percentage but more serious going to Psychosis

uhum understand It's so bad so try to do this and sing your song out it gives a lot more strength there's no need to shout it's just me when I'm getting lost in my areas and prayers that I always do it before I get up or when I'm driving I start talking, man, man, man, because then there's more than we already know by heart, no thought comes in other than you concentrating on that, memorize that, action always wins over thought, that's why It's a difficult exercise to have voices on the treadmill, it's very difficult, it's

close Bru, besides hearing voices, you also see things like visions or images. No, it's never just voices, but I always try to find someone on my side, like my sister, here, you know, why are you? Seeing that there too, I'm also seeing it, I understand, you check with her, you check, right? That's good, it's trust, but if I'm alone and listening to the voices, I'm lost, uhm, because I don't know what to do, she'll say a lot of things and I'm there, I'll do it. What are we going to do now? I'm lost, I have

to do. I understand, so there's someone trustworthy with him. I'm always sure, he checks. So, he's always with my father and my mother. or with me or with my other sister perfect always someone for has my niece my 14 year old niece Wow I feel safe with her how cool she looks at everything Cell phone PX things You know she does this everything she does everything how cool people you have a wonderful family thanks Thank God, thank God, they are all wonderful, family, even fam, family, even with a capital F, close family, it's interesting that

it's more common to hear than to see, it's much more common, much more common, much more common, Gustavo. Has it ever happened that someone thinks you're possessed or suffering? some punishment because of someone's schizophrenia Did anyone think that I don't think we live in a Christian community, right Uh? And we know that for Christianity, psychiatric disorders and mental disorders were often taboos, right? Exactly as if it were some kind of possession, right? some Demonic manifestation and the like, but in the beginning, when these things started, I never heard of him, and my mother said it

was a Possession. Yes, let's pray. Because how do you pray for any illness that we have ? not at least from our family and those close to us, there was a friend of mine who took me to a church, if you can say the name of the Universal Church, where he feared Universal and said go there, I went there but I met you, you know, but the church I go to today is without God ore Belém and we face it like any other illness you were no yes the only thing that my mother ordered to

do those country medicines you know bathing in cold water to get better but look how interesting Look how interesting let's go back here to neuroscience the same thing that you sing out favors you, have you ever seen that a person taking a cold shower She doesn't keep thinking about anything else, she keeps thinking that she wants to end this, this despair So you provoke thoughts that are thoughts related to the discomfort of the Ice Uhum So you at that time, interrupt Ah, so she's right, so taking a shower is intuitive. Ah, I'm going to use

it, I'll let you know, it's also a resource. Try PR, see if it works. It doesn't work either. Take a cold one, really cold, and sing too, and sing it out. You can do it. Doing both at the same time is wonderful, I don't know if you can do it because I can't do much with cold water , I keep praying for it to come out, understand? I'm a hot water fan, I only get cold water when, like, something has happened, there's a lack of water or I don't know, it's burst. energy ran out energy

something like that we are obliged then you take it but I take it by jumping then maybe jumping is also better exactly another action that blocks the perfect thought next Bru do you have religion how does it help you deal with challenges yes I'm in church it's been two more years since I went back to church I'm already in the youth group I'm enjoying it and there you play an instrument or participate in a choir part of the group Call group cas it's a choir it's a choir Young people's choir what a cool group cads

that's called right E when you sing there's nothing either, it doesn't help Our help a lot, so this choir is wonderful . not after the Singing Ah, so it was dep during the choir Not at the very end when it was in the church's words then it started to happen then Eliz I think it was still for the barbecue, right Why don't you go I said oh no I'm not going, I didn't leave because I was saying, like, it's time for me to leave, stay there, I'm going to manage this, why didn't you go ?

cause of schizophrenia What was this experience like? I was hospitalized when I freaked out, which was seven days ago, the first time and the last time I was admitted C months ago CCO months five, I was scared of sleeping with people there Uh, what happened was recent because I don't know he asked he asked to be hospitalized He asked to go here and stay there until then we hadn't understood very well my parents were kind of resistant to sending him because like, it's just the three of them there, right? what happens that you want to

go that you want to go but we understand that He was having thoughts like this, an excess of voices was it or of thoughts not of voices of voices you call the voices of thoughts F thought has to be perfect perfect So the voices were very intense so he wasn't well he was distressed but I don't know it happened in the In the Caps where I stayed, I think it was almost five days when I was hospitalized, I didn't listen, it's because you were in And you were in Alert, there it was because they gave

me that zepan cron for gout, it's because it relieves anxiety a little, it can help you controlling your thoughts, he was also with a lot of new people, you know, a lot of people he didn't see, so he was like, I'm going to wait for these people here, so he was like, you know, with a lot of people thinking about a lot, est est from Aler, no I was always afraid of Cap, you know, I don't know why until the women said, do you really want to be hospitalized, why don't you, we never understood what

he really wanted because it's not a place where he will understand. I understood what he wanted so as not to run the risk of losing control per contend perfectly this time they answered, it wasn't like that No, but then this time he already knows you, that time he didn't So he stayed there and did his therapy every day, he talked to the psychologist the doctor psychologist matus was there and then when he felt calm and they also saw that everything was ok for him he came back perfect next Bru what advice would you give to

someone who is also going through these problems How to hear voices or deal with psychotic episodes I think that the family member also, right, one seeks a psychiatric hospital, there is also a therapy that we did, a therapy called gan gan gan, we had a little book there and the little book we studied in therapy, he said that when the trapeze artist is in the circus some wrong thing he falls into the support network, right? Exactly , and Caps' support network, his family? family like this leans on your car, you have a family that I

will say is rare, it's rare, it's good You deserve truth, right? But seriously, I give Caps, caps also runs, don't leave things to progress, don't leave them in the If you need it at home, I don't know if it's going now, after the pandemic, it's changed a lot, right? Caps goes home, I think it still goes today, right? Ahem, I don't know, I think it still goes . It was within the public service, it was just an inpatient hospital , which today is practically rare. Exactly, it's more outpatient, even if it's small hospitalizations, right? So,

you would say to people, run and ask for help. control is very bad, there was a guy there who didn't really like to talk but he lost it. I think even his hand seemed to understand during the outbreak. Uh, I was a little scared too. Of course, I didn't sleep at night, thinking about that, what could I do, so it was That's what led to your last hospitalization, no, he was already there, he was already there, he was already there, perfect, perfect Uhum And he couldn't sleep in Caps, right, then he had gout zepan, right?

and it's still cold I stayed there in the area where the cams are to lay down the cams so you didn't sleep because of the cold and you didn't sleep because you were worried that the boy was going to pick up the fork, it was going to poke my eye out, all the boys there They knew, I understood, that was going through your head. This was going through my head. As soon as you got better, you said, I'm going to go back home, it's calmer, right ? That's right, it adjusted, I took it 99 hours

a day, all night, right Uh, then I started taking two pills at 3 o'clock in the afternoon. and three pills at 9 o'clock at night, perfect and it had more effect, more effect, can you see this because before this last hospitalization you only took them at night, only at night, perfect next Bru, ah we arrived We arrived at the moment pipinho remember I told you, pipinho is my son, that cute little brain, with a good sense of humor, there's no negative thought there, pipim, but he's digital, right, he was produced, he's not real, and he's

our mascot here, pipinho, he doesn't watch television, I won't let him he only listens to good content, right? So he keeps that headphone on or listens to everything that's good, so he listened to Our interview here, our conversation, our chat And then he gives me a few words and we play a little game, so I'll say a word to you whatever comes into your head you respond if it doesn't come, nothing passes or it passes PR Stefan, it's ok, so let's go there are 10 little things first God everything in my life everything in your

life perfect two love love I think only from mother and father for now father mother sister family family three happiness happiness have peace in your soul in your head perfect four if you could get into a time machine would you choose to go to the Future or go back to the past go to the Future because I wanted to see you how are the people there everything uhum the past I think it's easier to go back, right, but in the future it's harder not to the past you already know is you already know there's nothing

new you were going to the future were going to the future me too five Complete the sentence my dream is to have an engine home I don't know motor home motor home but does anyone say why enjoy the trip people motor Rome is a very cool thing, it's cool, right Very cool It's funny that nowadays motorhomes are used very little, right? I have a 6 year old daughter and her dream is mot It's traveling by motorhome, right? Because I think she saw some American series, something like that, cultural, you don't know that every state has

camping for you to park, yes, here it is in all the places, if you put it on Google, where do you have campsites for motorhomes? go see a list So it's not like that, renting a motorhome is expensive, right ? front that people bought it There are people who live there, they sold their apartment, they sold everything, and you've seen it in the comments, I want to sell my apartment to buy a motorhome, I look at the comments and you go there, I have a patient who bought the motorhome and started living there, I went

visiting people, peace, joy, in front of the beach, in front of the beach, everyone plays the guitar and everyone puts it there, puts it around everyone has a space around it, so put a chair, put it, I don't know what, very cool, very cool, isn't it a It's an impossible dream, it's true, it 's not an impossible dream to achieve, it's just admiration and just a weird one. We were in six, right, not five. My dream is six, what do you like most about watching television? I said, watching television, something else, do you like one?

big television, right, because whoever likes television at 42, right, his is big, the size of the space he has, his is big, big, perfect, eh, seven. If you could choose a super power, which one would you choose? And why do I think flying, going anywhere? Come back , flying must be very good, right? Flying, but you can't be afraid of heights, you can't fly, you can't be afraid of heights, and not hit buildings either, and don't crash, but then there's the sensor when we fly, it's coming. with with sensor Zinho of none no animal that

flies comes crashing around it 's easier for the plane to crash is wow but it also barely crashes and his best friend eight me Best Friend I think it's Luciano from CAPS he's in his 40s I like it a lot talking to him, you know, he discovered the disease a lot longer ago, but he's different, you know, he thought he put poison in his food, so it's another type of paranoia, that's, he's schizophrenic too, yes, but it's another type of paranoid delusion and I talk to him a lot, he's cool, good people, and you always

see each other V when we meet, we start chatting on Whatsapp, everything Uh, but you 're always around and he gives advice too, right, what do I do when AAS V gets chatting? He talks to them with them, he also has management techniques there, then he tells him that he has to take action so he doesn't have the voice . Missing Childhood Uhum, would you go back to childhood? I would go back to give people more shit, although mine was bad, I think that in elementary school, you weren't bad, it was creative, it's the issue

of suspension, these things, ahem, so much so that in medical school there was only one warning, right? God, it got a lot better, Mou, because the woman said that there were people who arrived in the eighth grade, it was repeated there out of fear, right, but I went from passed to, no, and you stayed quiet, but when they disturbed you too much, at one point you couldn't stand it, right, and 10 a thought or a sentence a message that you wanted to leave PR people Hum difficult huh Stephanie can help you want to talk you

have nothing I think helping people who are in need, right not kicking themselves thinking they're drugged thinking they're I don't know what perfect both when I was at the hospital, security guard was kicking me, right, when I arrived at the first hospital, everyone was sitting down. Everything was kicking, thinking I was on drugs, something like that, the woman told me no, he's just having an outbreak, right? And then she scolded him and I remember that in the ambulance the woman I was also being a little rough, you know, I understand, she was cleaning my wounds,

but she was aggressive, I understand that, I remember it a lot, you're funny, you don't remember, you remember everything in Flash But we don't forget people's intentions, right? The intention wasn't delicate Look what You're saying that you 're being rude and security also security even though you don't remember almost everything you remembered the intentions remember the ambulance now the security guard my brother-in-law said but about the ambulance I remember that it's a bit ol something right you were helped by a guy that he was in a bar drunk, right? Exactly what an interesting thing, that

poor guy, I saw people who didn't exactly help and he helped, right? He helped and that was what managed to stop him, right ? home, otherwise the police will think you're doing something like that uhum because he got bloody from throwing it at you so you could stop Mon I hugged him he held me and you felt trust in him I felt it was interesting I talked to him even though I was talking about everything and he talked to you and he was sent to the hospital strong, it was like two friends, he was strong,

he was, but he was drunk, he's a little dizzy, but his strength is his strength Wow, it's awesome, it's not the desire to want to do good, right? running, only he was left, poor thing, that's good, my dear, first I wanted to thank you so much, I loved it, please, let's close our circle here, let's close our circle of well-being, right, of prosperity, thank you very much, thank you very much, I really wanted to give you a gift, here we have a pipinho ecobag ui that on the back is written make it happen inspire can

kite I went it's beautiful and here you will have a mug for you when you drink your coffee your chocolate milk remember us you will have it here a notebook in which you will write down all your plans for next year so that everything comes true, ok And there is another book here that I want to give you, which was a book that I wrote during the pandemic, which is happiness, ok, which I hope will help you I'm going to read a lot, yes, I'm sure I'm yours, Jacques, what's with the psychopath, you, you're loyally

dangerous ? because there are people who lie and say they read but didn't read that, the fable of the Scorpion and the frog, it's a scorpion, right , a scorpion is nature, right, the frog is nice, the scorpion, he hitchhikes the frog, but he kills the frog, it's his nature right, it's his exact nature, there are people who are born bad and remain bad, so we know how to differentiate one from the others, okay, so now I want you to use that camera over there, this one here, this one is to give your messages, if

stepan also wants to give a message, stay feel free to talk about oh, it's true, this book, here's a time for me, is being released next month, around November 10th, it's my new book that comes with 365 reflections for us to do one a day, which I joked is the 10 minutes that we need mental care so we can think good things, rethink our thoughts, so it's already on sale on Amazon Okay, but you'll win, the publisher will because there isn't one yet, and the quantity hasn't left the factory yet, but all the guests of

the pipinho will receive it, so you'll receive something like this in a little while, please, could Editora Globo give you your address to receive it? D Beatriz's book is true It's not a scam, so some time for me, I think it will be good for us, for everyone, it's a time for reflection and we can reflect a little every day for 10 minutes, it's like mental self-care, okay? OK, thank you, nothing will be a pleasure, so you will receive it on your Instagram, it will be right there, Gustavo, here he is from the publisher, so

because yesterday there was a guest who came here last year, she put it like this B, is this thing for real or is it a scam, I said no You can give the address, it's not a scam, but nowadays people don't have to ask, right? Everything goes, so I'm telling you that it's true, okay, then you'll receive it. I hope you like it. You can send the review later so we can reflect a little. and at the end of each page we will always put what feeling it brought you, you will have a little space

for you to make some notes PR uhum connected even though you are not together, ok so now you will use this camera here, whatever talk, right, you can talk, you're going to talk to give all the messages, it's over, that's not it guys, see the podcast, see if I did well I hope you liked it and that's it, you want to leave your networks, you don't want to leave your networks, there's there's a channel on Instagram on YouTube, right what it's called, I didn't go to college, no, hello, F you need to look, there's a

channel if you want to subscribe to the channel, I didn't go to college, my Instagram is Gu underline Santos, that's it, guys, I hope you liked it, say it is private and you accept it's private and I accept Instagram you can go there and I'll accept you okay you take a look there who do you accept who doesn't That's right you have to be selective If you want to say something don't you Stephanie First of all, thank you, right? This visibility that Bia is giving to people with mental disorders who, whether we like it or

not, society itself is still very resistant, but there is no solution, we do n't have any way to deal with the things that happen to us, but We can deal with the way we react to them, so having a family is a support, God mainly We believe and trust in this sovereignty and that and today he is here we understand that all things work together for the good, even the bad things even the difficult days have a greater purpose so I thank you for this visibility I thank the audience who will listen to who will

watch and welcome people with any type of disorder We don't know what they are dealing with it's a harsh reality it's a difficult reality and if you have the chance to be a welcoming light for these people, thank you, perfect, thank you very much. I appreciate it better than I would by praising the sister and who knows, maybe we don't have these other possibilities for treatment, who knows, maybe one day we'll do some fundraising to roll around. the engine, who knows, God knows, God knows, dear ones, we are finishing the kite dust episode today with

this couple here who are brothers Gustavo Stefan Gustavo who has schizophrenia but came here with us to share all his experience talk about your feelings, your discomforts and show us that no matter how difficult it is, there is always a way out. Especially when we have support, when we have a family, when we seek the right treatment, when we seek the right spirituality, without judgment but with welcome, thank you very much And if you don't follow us, please subscribe to the channel, share this interview Follow Gustavo He left his channels right there so we can

spread more and more knowledge, thank you very much and see you in the next pod viv