Embody This Spiritual Wisdom & Become Your True Self | Matt Kahn

we're living on a planet that is really moving from self-realization of the mind to self-realization of the heart and so this is where spirituality becomes the highest level of spiritual attainment which is called reality in order for healing to be mainstream we have to take it out of the spiritual counterculture we have to not make it so special there are these people waiting for enlightenment or self-realization and they're avoiding their pain so a lot of people spiritually tend to lean on the insight and the excitement of the realization and they stay away from the breath

work when we breathe shallowly we tend to identify with the most shallow ideas of ourselves when we breathe deeply we start to think deeply we start to see deeply into ourselves we have to go back and repattern it by saying love is what heals the traumas love is what reunites you with the breath it takes you into levels of Enlightenment and actually takes you beyond Enlightenment that's what the universe has waited lifetimes to see bir in all of us [Music] hey everyone welcome back to no theyself today we are sitting down with a bestselling author

a spiritual speaker and intuitive healer he is an incredibly empathic individual and guide helping us remember our true nature and return to love Matt Khan thanks for being here thanks for having me it's an honor to be here with you excited to drop in man it's a pleasure to meet you likewise you're incredibly empathic and feel like you have given amazing advice over the past couple decades to people that feel they're very sensitive and don't want it to keep disregulated them but harnessing it into a superpower what do you feel like the the unique gifts

and challenges are of being more empathetic um and more sensitive in general wow it's a great question I think that you know it's it's a funny qu it's a funny thing to dive into because I really think everyone's empathic but I think we're at different levels of awareness and actualization so I think that the benefit is when you are aware that you're empathic you're becoming emotionally sensitive which means you can develop a an ability to be compassionate for other people's experiences you can become aware that we're all on a journey growing and evolving you can

develop patience and empathy and forgiveness and you can start to realize that all the emotional experiences that you've gone through other people are processing it's it's as if we're all having the same experiences but in different orders so we're all like a deck of cards shuffled in a different order of experiences and I think when you're sensitive you begin living a life from a space of unity Consciousness so it's not just the decisions I make that are good for me as an individual but what is good for also the world I'm a part of the

community I'm shaping and I personally always make decisions with the thought of how does this affect my family and really how does this affect the world I often think of it when I make decisions as and I think a lot of us as we become empathic start to really think about is the decision I'm making for myself what I would want to make for everyone's body around me and we start to live as Leaders of this expand expanding Awakening consciousness of the world so I think you know becoming empathic or aware that you're an empathic

being is a fundamental building block in The Awakening of Consciousness because you know we're living on a planet that is really moving from self-realization of the mind to self-realization of the heart so we're all in a very interesting way becoming emotionally intelligent and we become aware that everyone has had traumas and everyone has wounding and it really informs our ability to connect with beings of any culture and any country and continent the downfall could be and this is where it gets interesting is if we don't know that everyone is empathic or everyone is bound to

realize their empathy and this might not be the answer I would have given a couple years ago but something that's really interesting right now is that being empathic when we don't realize everyone's empathic and going to realize that can be an interesting way of developing a subtle degree of specialness and it's where the spiritual ego can really lurk in a very unsuspecting way so when it becomes my sensitivities and everyone around me has to kind of adjust their behavior for my sensitivities it becomes a very interesting uh co-opting of ego and I think that when

I say specialness we're all unique we're all individuals we're all beautiful we all have gifts to contribute but specialness is when I believe that based on the uniqueness of my experience I deserve special treatment and there can be this time where people who are empathic can think that that makes them worthy of special treatment and if we grow up feeling inferior it's very common to then develop a sense of superiority and so I think it's very important as empathic beings when we remember I'm having a unique experience I'm having a unique experience of feeling other

people's energy but when it becomes that egoic specialness it's everyone needs to cower to my sensitivities or I'm afraid other people's energies are getting on mine and we start judging people for their energies or you know we we we start doing the same things we do in any ego structure but with spiritual wallpaper and spiritual ideas and so I think if we can actually humble ourselves and say everyone's empathic and not make it an opportunity to lurk in some degree of specialness and realize that superiority will never heal the wounds of inferiority and really humble

ourselves to say I'm going to embrace my empathy so I make it safer for the world to be okay with how empathic it is and then we unite the world we integrate our ego and we allow ourselves to be empathic but humble grounded at the same time and I think it's a very key thing a lot of Spiritual Beings are working through at this time I agree and I think it's a unique challenge unlike any other with the culture and society in which we live because never has it been as easy or enchanting to have

the display of virtuous characteristics I love how you said that by the way I love the display of virtuous characteristics yeah I love that even with with empathy with acts of authenticity to uh it really is a display for the appearance of the thing yeah and it's not the actual embodied real thing and I do think that it's an inevitable part and something that I've experienced on my own Journey where you know I catch myself or have caught myself in times trying to appear to be the thing instead of being the thing right and you're

speaking about this real embodiment from you said self-realization you know of the mind to the heart this journey from to to Heart conscious and living life from the heart and so I think a big theme I'm feeling is going to be for this podcast is is moving into the heart and living in that heart Consciousness and the embodiment process of not having the you know vulnerable narcissism that comes with whether it's the spiritual kind of nuan version of it um the overt version that most people are familiar with with the grandiosity or like the vulnerable

side which is what you're sharing which is by believing or you know having the ego say that I'm I'm less than it's just another way in which we're creating some sort of semblance of identity right and and so yeah I'd love for you to continue to dive and um dive deep into this unraveling of the uh ego's desire for the appearance of spiritual verbage and wardrobe and all the right things to the embodiment of that heart Consciousness I love this and I think so it begins with maybe two aspects of the same concept it it

is either the spiritual ego is someone from an unworthy standpoint who is waiting for someone or the universe to rescue them so I'm either waiting to be rescued or I believe I'm someone who needs to rescue others that's where we really get to the heart of it are you waiting to be rescued or do you think that you need to rescue others and I've seen it play out in many different ways seen it to play out in people in my family God bless my family God bless all families really um and and I think so

really the heart of it is we're integrating things like um righteousness and entitlement those are two building blocks that kind of mix together with this idea of Rescuers ship so I'm either um entitled to be rescued based on the past that I had uh I believe I need to rescue others and a lot of people when when when they're caught in the the spiritual ego there becomes an another confusion that I don't talk about a lot that I think is really worth saying which is we can get very confused into thinking emotional processing is the

deepest form of connecting with ourselves and then we believe sometimes that if we're not emotional processing with other people we're not having the deepest conversations and so Spiritual Beings who have this kind of rescuer ego uh get frustrated because they can say oh the people around me just want to have surface conversations they don't want to go deep and what happens is the ego is interacting with people who aren't in a place to be rescued or to talk about the parts of them that are waiting to be rescued and so it can make Spiritual Beings

feel like oh we're not having a deep enough dive and it's really the Divine dressed up as a person pretending to not care about spirituality saying I'm giving you a chance to take a break from your Concepts and actually value being a human being because at the end of the day if having a conversation about everyday stuff isn't as equally as intoxicating a self-realization we haven't really seen it and in my experience whether I'm talking to someone about a movie that they've watched or even if they're into stamp collecting which isn't something I know anything

about but that to me is as equally interesting as a conversation about self-realization so I think when we talk about how we're going to move out of spiritual counterculture because I think one of the most interesting things to to to to see is in order for healing to become not just the weird thing that we do or we do in our little special interest groups and you know because if you're high Vibe let's say you're high Vibe okay you're high Vibe High Vibe needs to take that energy to low Vibe right that's like that's like

um EMT workers or doctors who are hiding in the back room and don't want to help patients like you need to take the energy where it goes and so I think one of the most interesting things as we kind of process all this is taking spirituality out of special interest groups that in order for healing to be mainstream in order for people to understand that Awakening and healing are like different unexplored levels of maturity and puberty the human being goes through we have to take it out of the spiritual counterculture we have to we have

to not make it so special and so I think part of the integration Journey that we go through as beings is yes we we go through these Awakenings we go through emotional processing and we go very into ourselves to process our pain but I think also the reason why we have family members who don't care about spirituality supposedly or don't seem to be interested in this is because the Divine is giving us an opportunity to balance ourselves and the hope is that we get to a place where there's no such thing as human conversations or

spiritual conversations it's just different aspects of our total experience and as we dive deeply into embodying heart- centered Consciousness we can ask ourselves is there a part of me that's waiting to be rescued is there a part of me that perceives my trauma as a punishment and I'm waiting for the universe to give me my reward am I doing my spiritual practices waiting for some imaginary reward am I visualizing angels and some being clapping and applauding me am I manifesting thinking I'm going to attract some big grandiose reward that's going to pay me back for

the punishment of my past can we actually wake up out of that because the truth and and then of course can we also see the parts of ourselves that actually want to spiral and stay in process stay in pain but instead of it being our pain it's the pain we need to help other people through because there's a difference between serving and I need to serve I need people to be less than so I can be the one who's the voice of wisdom I need people to be less than in order for me to be

in a place of superiority and in my position as much as I am very popular and I love helping people my wife and I both do what's Our intention Our intention is to empower people so much that they have it all within themselves to make us disappear to make us obsolete that has to be the intention and so when we heal specialness we are neither waiting to be rescued we are not needing to rescue others we are happy to serve we are not perceiving our passes a punishment we are not doing our practices to earn

some reward and we are waking up out of our own spiritual and we are coming into a state of embodiment which is so inundated with humility and in humility is very clear the only reward of service is service the only reward for peace is peace the only reward for love is love and we are blessed to love people who don't say thank you in return because it's getting us out of our specialness the reason I love is because it's not an option there is no option at First Love was an option then there's a thought

of why would I want other options love is just the biological function of who we are as the Divine and human form it's not an option at a certain point and there's no reason to think of choosing less than and if choosing love causes me to be hurt I pick myself up and I move on so so it's it's really interesting when we wake up out of needing to be rescued or rescuing other people and we're out of this reward punishment dream state and we are humble to be of service to the Divine without it

being oh my God I'm being so empathic well someone take my picture and put it on Instagram it's not performative it sometimes isn't pretty and sometimes it can feel very lonely and that's all part of the Vision Quest and The Vision Quest is to be a loving person even when no one is looking and even when there are parts of us that are less than loving can those be the parts that we love not because we're waiting to get a reward not not cuz the universe is going to be so impressed with our heart centeredness

but because it's what the wounded parts of us need to heal through the pain it's still processing and so this is where spirituality becomes the highest level of spiritual attainment I'll talk about which is called reality I just want everyone to be in reality and it's a beautiful reality even at a time like this yeah we'll get into the times I love what to share it thank you so much that was that was amazing thank you part of what you said reminded me of this one quote from choam truna oh yeah and I believe it's

from spiritual materialism love I love that title walking the spiritual path properly is a very subtle process it is not something to jump into naively there are numerous sidetracks which lead to a distorted ego centered version of spirituality we can deceive ourselves into thinking we are developing spiritually when instead we are strengthening our own egocentricity through spiritual techniques it's a great quote and it reminds me also too of a quote from ramas saying that the the real work is that we have to do is in the privacy of our own heart and I think it's

a natural part of the process of the spiritual Evolution as an individual that we lose our way sometimes and we can't fully know where the line is until we step over it right and then we come back into the humility and realizing how powerful we are and also how small we we are and um and so this this notion this this understanding of aligning yourselves with reality yeah and not needing to reinforce our own idea of specialness right but just being able to love be of service be of what's needed in any given moment and

that be enough right is uh is definitely uh takes maturity to arrive there it does well because you know the ego is what's trying to do all the things that we talk about right now the ego is like okay I'm gonna either uh okay I'm not GNA be special anymore so then it's an ego trying to track its own non-sp specialness right which is not it either because the ego can only do one thing at a time so the ego is either going to be embracing its uniqueness at the expense of others or it's going

to be embracing everyone's uniqueness at the downfall of itself that's all the ego can do is one or the other it can't do both so the ego has to kind of implode through its inability to do this right it's the implosion of the inner perfectionist and it's a very delicate journey and and it you know if we haven't found the humility up to this point um it's kind of like someone I guess who's in Vegas at a roulette T roulette table and they sit there and they go oh I'm winning I'm winning I'm winning oh

my God and then there's going to be a point where they stop winning and they try to get back on the winning track and there's going to be a point where it just all falls apart and that's what the part of spirituality people don't talk about is that even if you're someone who has done every practice and it never worked for you and you're like how come it works for everyone but not me that's part of the journey or it worked for me and then it stopped working for me or or it God forbid it

worked for you the whole time and you are like I get how all of this works I am winning everyone crashes and burns because it's how the deeper cocoons are created and what comes out of the crysalis of that deer cocoon is what people can't manufacture practice or control themselves enough to get right so part of the journey is getting into the spiritual Groove the ego is going to be the one who gets into the groove it's the first one that gets the new wardrobe it learns all the words it leads learns the secret handshakes

it's all part of it but it all leads to this incredible crash burn where what you've created as a spiritual character like a house of cards implodes from the inside out and what survives that crash and burn is the reality that's always been within you the true nature the Nirvana the samade the Oneness the thing that the ego character either thinks it is thinks it found chases or knows how to talk about but that's what we create because once that crumbles and what exists as the Golden Phoenix Rising From the Ashes of our own neurosis

and nonsense that's what the universe has waited lifetimes to see birthed in all of us that's very humbling and that's why I for one have always seen this journey as we need to teach and focus on love because it's an intense Journey our pasts are intense our traumas are intense everyone deserves love and the journey we're on is a very intense one just as intense as it is for a mother to give birth to a child and the child to move through the birth canal and into the world it's a very intense experience and we

all deserve to be held in love because as we go through this experience that's what's going to happen for all of us we're going to be these containers these doorways for more love to enter the world and I don't think that even in today's day I think we're just starting to emphasize the importance of love but it's on purpose that in the beginning love gets kind of co-opted as oh if I love myself then I'll get the greater Rewards or loving myself will raise my vibration then I'm going to manifest better things we get caught

up in that culture but I think we're at a time with where the Earth is and where the world is and things are so intense and and the benefit of things being intense is that it makes spiritual nonsense not so alluring and then will we love ourselves when we're not getting our way will we love ourselves when the world is not the way we need it to be who are we when things aren't the way we demand them to be this is a very interesting time and again it just makes the necessity of love that

much more dire and the effect even though a lot of people shut down before they open up the effect is it forces the world to come together as a community once again it's a beautiful thing to witness at least in the west there's often this illusion of like you spoke to as you develop spiritually you're like the doctor EMT that gets to like go on a beach in Hawaii and kind of just check out cuz you you've Evol to that point um and yet the pain of humanity Still Still Remains and if you're actually connected

and cheer your heart then you cannot feel the suffering of others which will draw you to being of service and why I really set out you know cuz I could have named this podcast anything I could have created the you know what we were going to talk about and like the directions and themes anything and yet it had to be this for me because to the degree I believe we truly know our true selves the more that we're going to be agents for for real transformation in the world right and um I would love for

you to share how you feel the breath is connected to the I am State and how this can help us return to our true Essence like you said as love is a biological function of our true self yeah to reveal that well the breath is such an important component because you know the breath delivers the nourishment and sustenance we need to function in every inhale and exhale um i' I've said um before but but it's so important to to think of it like this is that when we breathe shallowly we tend to identify with the

shallow most shallow ideas of ourselves or we are hiding from the shallowness we hav't faced when we breathe shallowly we tend to be drawn to the most shallow decisions or we get mixed up with people and and the theme of shallowness makes us victims to other people's behavior when we breathe deeply we start to think deeply we start to see deeply into ourselves we start to feel deeper into experiences we start to have deeper insights about the experiences of our past even when we felt like victims of other people's cruelty and shallowness so we breathe

deeper and really what we're doing is we're bringing more awareness the breath is always sustaining us the breath is the life force of our source of divinity but when we breathe deeper we're saying I want to give more attention to that which is sustaining me I want to give more attention to the Divine because if the Divine is sustaining me through the breath then only the Divine is receiving the breath that's giving so when I am aware of how I'm being sustained by the Divine I tend to be less sustained by the promises of other

people I be I become less sustained by the conflicts that I say I don't want to be in that I'm secretly fed by because it gives me so many things to process when we're aware of the breath we're saying I will be in this world without having to be lost in the identification of this world and I become more aware of the fact that I'm here representing Divinity on a mission to bring more of that Divine Essence to the world and even through the law of one when I breathe deeply I plant seeds of awareness

in the hearts of everyone around me and then they pass it on to everyone they know And So It Goes throughout the entire world when I breathe deeply I teaching the world to take deeper breaths and have greater awareness and so and and the breath is an interesting thing because the breath is also what survives all of our degrees of spiritual nonsense where I go if I breathe deeply here's the reward I'm going to get and the breath just goes in and goes out and so the breath is always one with the Divine and the

more we build a relationship with our breath the more the relationship with our breath becomes reflective of the relationships we have with oursel and other people around us and so I think it's very interesting that when we look at the conflicts people have in relationships the same conflicts people have with other people are the same they have with their breath if there's avoidance with others there's an avoidance of the breath if there's depths with if there's depth with others there's a depth of breath and even when you are in the presence of your beloved and

there Beauty takes your breath away you just took a deep breath or when you're in the awe and wonder of nature it takes your breath away and that's a deepening of breath what's also interesting is when we look at traumas traumas when you were surprisingly or unsuspectedly victimized by people that took your breath away as a moment of dis of of of disempowerment so a lot of people spiritually tend to lean on the sight and the excitement of the realization and they stay away from the breath work because it reminds them of the times in

their life when someone took their breath away we have to go back to that original moment and repattern it viscerally by saying I may have had my breath taken away in a moment of unexpected trauma but I'm going to give that breath and power back to myself and take that trauma and hand it back to the Divine and may it heal itself in me and may what I heal in myself heal in other people through the breath I take in deeply may I be a bigger and better receiver of divinity and may that Divinity that

I breathe in be breathed out for the liberation of all so I think it's very interesting to notice that a deep breath can cleanse you but our earliest memory of a deep breath is when someone took our power away so we have to kind of give oursel course corrective experiences and so everything we can learn about spirituality in this whole journey of redemption can occur through the breath and even at the point where all the wisdom that you've gathered from the universe and built up a spiritual ego even when that disappears and you can't actually

remember anything you've learned up to this point the breath Still Remains and so as a fundamental returning to the breath I will always teach people to love themselves and what I'm actually doing is helping to dissolve the barriers that reunite people with the intimacy of their breath that's the true intention of why I teach self love that's a beautiful intention and effect that you have on people in their life I I think another illusion of the ego in this process is we are under the presumption then that when the pieces of the puzzle in our

environment fall into into alignment just how we want them then we'll be able to realize ourself live in alignment with truth deep in our breath and there's no doubt that you know uh deep nature Forest will you know lend to a more regulated nervous system than the middle of a city and yet if we're always waiting for our environment to reflect back to us um the energy that we want to embody then we'll never fully arrive there and and so you know why I've I think become so fond of like non-d dual teachings is because

it cuts through the illusion of thinking there needs to be more things done for you to realize your true state in this very moment absolutely it's interesting because I've had you know my earliest experiences of Awakening and self-realization were very non-u in nature before I even knew what nonuel was and when I first started teaching 18 years ago it was coming out of some incredibly life-changing Awakening experiences where I experienced literally my ego exploding my past shooting out of my ears and literally feeling like a near violent level of explosion inside of me and having

no sense of self for a long period of time then I was able to witness that you know there are layers of ego and one ego will dissolve and you think it's gone but it's just one layer or level and then it recreates itself and then you realize oh the ego that used to represent so much of my suffering is actually a NE a necessary part of my embodiment that the Divine created the ego to help us embody and express our light um so when I first started teaching I came out of my Awakenings and

I was like I want to teach the world about Awakening oh my God I'm so excited and I started traveling around to different parts of the country where non-u teachings were very popular and I started to you know intuitively tune into people and I real realized wow there there's a group over here that's doing way too much work and is way too much in the esoteric and I've have I have a lot of esoteric experiences but it feels like I'm at a Star Wars convention and then I go over here and it's super non-u and

it's super dry and people are like there's nothing to do and I can actually feel people haven't done enough emotional processing and that feels like a spiritual graveyard and there's people who are renouncing their ego because they don't like what it's like to be themselves in pain and that's a bypass yeah and so then I I was talking to my guides one day and um um and I said to my guides I said hey you know I see over here there's way too much work too much processing too much culture too much esoteric and it's

being bastardized and then I see over here there's not enough emphasis and it's almost like we're hiding in this concept like there's no one here speaking as I speak you know that kind of mstep and I said how do I help bring it all together and that's when the universe birth through me whatever Rises love that that it's the love that actually unites both aspects of ourselves it's the love that integrates the Mystic it's the love that takes the absolute reality of quantum reality but kind of softens it into our human experience and it's the

and it's almost like one side of our brain is a Mystic and one side of our brain is you know in this other other almost almost this scientific level of spirituality dry and and love is what awakens the midpoint the Corpus colossum that brings both sides of your brain into harmony or inter dependence and when you awaken in somat both sides of your brain are in a state of interdependence and so I started to notice well this side has some of it and this side has some of it and if I'm going to teach love

I can help bring it together because nonuel certainly is relevant for certain aspects of the journey but if you stay too long in nonuel it's the same thing as over here mysticism definitely has something going on but if you stay too long right if you're the high school kid that drives your car around the middle school campus even the middle schoolers like what are they doing didn't they graduate aren't they in high school why are they trying to talk to us this is weird so when we bring it together what I found is love is

what heals the traumas love is what reunites you with the breath love is what takes you through and Beyond the mystical Burning Man festival and love is what takes you through non-u experiences but also takes you beyond the attachment to those experiences it takes you into levels of Enlightenment and actually takes you beyond Enlightenment and takes you into the love the passion right what roomie will talk about the the the the absolute overflowing nectar of bliss but without an attachment to it the ability to live in this body and be of service to beings to

see the Divine and human being without being mesmerized by their potential and not confusing with reality and to see someone who's acting from pain but wanting healing for victims and predators equally only love can do this and so I started to see I'm going to I want to teach something that's always going to be helpful that will grow and change but will never be out of style and and and that's what struck me was I would sit in front of audiences going there are these people waiting for enlightenment or self-realization and they're avoiding their pain

they're thinking when they wake up the reward of somat will rescue them from the punishment of their conditioning and over here it was a different game and so I thought love is going to end this game and and and that's when we start to come into a reality with our with unconditional love that love is so real love is so wise and love is so Transcendent and present love will outsmart any complication and it's so simple and when I've had experiences and and I could talk about non- duel Awakening I can also talk about being

beamed up onto a light ship and meeting Quan who's a real being and S standing in the presence of quan who looks almost identical to her statues but she has like green bluish skin she's actually an alien princess and I was as far away from Quan on a spaceship in in in what's called an uh interdimensional portal which means you're in a space between time on a ship and she was looking me with her eyes half open and she this is as far as far as we were and she literally just did this like she

bowed but this is all she that's as far as she moved she's tilted her head and when she tilted her head every cell of my body exploded into a level of love I I I I could only try to describe and I realized these beings live between Dimensions because if they stepped foot on this planet it would explode that's the level of conscious ious and it completely love will change all of us and we're all preparing for that love to change us through the inner work we're doing and these what we're describing and talking about

are just some of the stages that we all outgrow we all outgrow the spiritual ego we all outgrow the culture the counterculture just as much as we all outgrow our Middle School Tendencies and our high school patterns hopefully we all outgrow this and we're living on a time in this planet where the world is saying we need more people shining their light please outgrow the you're consumed in because the time is now and love is what helps us out grow this I find so much alignment in what you just shared in my own desire for

my own path shaar Gata Maharaj says that love tells me I am everything wisdom tells me I am nothing and between the two my life flows that's right and it really does feel like those two forces are what refine us to become self-realized and I've always seen the lack often times in both camps of the spiritual communities where there's the growing up and there's the waking up there's the Developmental and the fruitional and in the west we often see Freedom as the absence of limitations right where in the East it's more understood kind of you

find Freedom through a profound disidentification with any content good or bad right and I've just found so much value in both and how integrated we need to be able to look at her our stuff and excavate the shadow material and not just hang out there our whole life as there is a never ending amount of unconscious material we could bring to the light on behalf of ourselves or the humanity at large and at the same time if we just stay in this um this non-d dual awareness you know and disidentifying from anything good or bad

we uh often see that in Cults or gurus where there is that level of uh of realization on that front without um evening out without equalizing their own shadow material then it will have profound implications on uh destructive relationships alcohol abuse bunch of weird sexual stuff which usually always happens um and and so yeah it's just really important I feel like to bring this integration of both in the evolved matur spiritual journey to be able to look at both and to bring that sincerity upon both for sure I agree you know it's interesting when the

the the harsh irony of in communities where the leader has supposedly absolutely no ego well let's just look at the behavior let's look at that no ego and you know there are experiences where your ego will seem to disappear and you think i' I'm beyond the ego and I've had those experiences where I it exploded and it disappeared and I was floating in a state and really I was in a state where Consciousness had expanded in me and you know this a snake has shed a layer of skin and a new one hasn't been grown

so I was just in the processing of growing a new level of ego which every time it comes back it comes back usually more integrated and and there will sometimes be some patterns to look at if they arise but the whole import the whole importance is to integrate your ego to think you don't have an ego is just to have an ego that denies itself right to think to have an ego that thinks it's bigger than itself right and there's nothing weirder than a superiority complex within your own self that I am bigger than who

I used to be and and it's humbling when life reminds us of of what the truth is and so I think you know in today's day and age and this is certainly what I hope part of my contribution is aside from representing love and always doing the purest work that I can do my my intention is that it's okay to have an ego and that your ego gets integrated your ego is like a shirt that you just learned to tuck in and that you don't have to indulge in ego and you don't have to obsess

an ego and you don't have to control and micromanage your ego that your ego is the part that is helping you to bring the light of your true nature through this form and into the world right if you if we think of a tapestry of Ganesha um I I don't use the name but I was named by Ram Das ganes do and so I was named for and was amazing because when he named me he gave me the honor of a name he didn't know that the work I do was like I'm the remover of

obstacles and so was a very auspicious moment that ROM D and I had I was named Ganesh and I have a tapestry at home of Ganesh and if you look at it you have the elephant face Ganesh as is one of the aspects of the Divine and you have this small Mouse next to Ganesha with his their hands in the prayer position facing Ganesha and I think that that actually for me is the most profound part of the tapestry that the mouse is the human ego that instead of fighting itself or trying to control itself

surrenders to the authority within itself and that a certain part of Awakening the ego turns towards your light as its master and says I will serve you and when your ego lives in service to the will of divinity within you and when the will of divinity within you lives in service to the ego that's when Namaste is born in a human being and the way that type of human being acts and speaks and it's not what they say necessarily you feel it in every core of your being when that Namaste has happened we think and

move very differently and you can't manufacture it it can't be this form of spiritual karaoke where we try to act like everyone or talk like everyone you cannot make this up you can feel it and even when you feel it another human being it will change you on contact so that for me is the important thing is that it's okay to have an ego we don't have to micro manage it we don't have to pretend it's not there it is like the door in your heart that as it serves you and you serve it becomes

an open door to allow the light of divinity to enter this world and that's when the inner change becomes an outer Revolution for the world to benefit from because the Mastery is can I allow the light within me to shine so bright that there's no space in my body it hasn't occupied and it just Billows outside of me to change a world and reflect back to me the change I've come to be and and another way of thinking about it which I I just I channeled recently that really touched my heart was that imagine this

world is is and I say imagine but to me this world is a program created by the universe to where we come as souls to learn how to be Spirit guides and Archangels for future Generations we go through our own healing journey and we're helping the world Ascend because it's our training as future Spirit guides that's what the world is a spirit guide training and within this program what changes the soul goes through in a body become the changes it carries with them forever that's why we come to this planet to go through real change

right the world might be a fantasy an optical optical illusion but the change we go through is real and it affects our souls moving forward part of the beauty of this world is one level is can I transform so incredibly that it starts to positively benefit people around me but then the higher invitation is can I shine so brightly that when it's time for me to leave this dream this program and when I return to Heaven I shine so bright in the dream that the heaven I return to has even been transformed as a result

of how deeply I return to who I am can I transform the dream so incredibly that even the reality I go home to has been expanded as a result of what I've done as what I've allowed to shine through me that's an incredible invitation and when we start to really wake up that's what excites us that I'm going to shine my light for the benefit of the world I don't need to rescue the world and the world doesn't need to rescue me I'm going to shine my light because the only way to be myself is

to be the brightness I am and can I make the world better just by being the brightness and can I return home and see that even Heaven has gone through a renovation because of what I allowed to move through me I find that very exciting and that's what inspires me every day for the world and for myself mik drop M drop if I was holding it know I know and might drop it I I really love there's so many things in what you just said that really stuck out for in terms of like letting the

ego turn to that inner Authority and allowing it to be the door for the Divine will to shine through and um really finding that integration within us is uh just such a beautiful reminder for um the reality that we can embody that and you know I think what you really spoke to is that when you really experience that when you taste that it transforms you on contact yeah and I think we really are living on a widespread drought where those uh experiences are made more available for people through all the things that dim our light

and and so I would love for you to share it because I do really think that just by you unveiling your light like you're speaking to and becoming that Lighthouse it illuminates the darkness everywhere you go and your presence um and whatever you do and say is infused with who you are and and so that's the true transformative qu quity is like the fact that you've been transformed and now you're moving in the world and people come to experience that and I think the most transformative um individuals that I've met have not been people that

have said the right thing or done the right thing it's been a level of Purity that they've held within themselves that really inspired me um and through my own valtion made me decide uh how I wanted to change in my own life right and reveal that within me too and I would love for to to dive a little bit more into some of those experiences that you've had you know where there's been ego dissolution and how you know often times um this this understanding of trauma can be looked at through many different lenses and I

I love how I've heard you speak to how the challenges that we can that we experience in life really can be gifts and how it reveals to us how we can embody the uh opposite adjective of of it and how um judgment can lead to a deeper understanding of acceptance sure and you go through any negative emotion or experience and see how it reveals to us the antithesis of it and so they can be great gifts and so um for you I would love for you to just explore this theme of trauma as a vehicle

for our own Awakening maybe through the lens of your own journey in life sure well I appreciate the the invitation you know if we look at life as an arc we're all going to have all experiences even if we're having unique nuances of those experiences we're all going to know Joy we're all get to no pain and often we experience pain as a building block for opening to Joy right the the the pressure of pain will eventually lead to the Elation of joy and we're all meant to have all experiences and through the Journey of

the ego uh the each level of ego represents a different reason you believe why things have happened to you and eventually you realize I meant to have all experiences just like any light being who speaks from a profound place of love has also had to have the experiences of being less than a light being because it's only from being less than the light that you learn the importance of your light the interesting thing to remember as an aside is that we think because we experience things in linear fashion that our past lives are in a

linear line all lifetimes are happening simultaneously so the idea that oh if I had a trauma I must have done something bad in a past life is just a linear misunderstanding and it's also very abusive because someone who has been traumatized will a as a trauma response punish themselves traumatize themselves as a way of trying to understand what is not quite mentally understandable but we we experience trauma because suffering leads to service even if we think of it as I heal my trauma and then realize what trauma I healed in myself I've actually healed on

a percentage in all bodies because we're all one so when I heal in myself I help make more healed in the world I live in even we think of it as being a survivor of trauma and being willing to break the cycle of silence and speak about it and you inspire someone else to dive into their pain versus avoid it that's a service or we learn to speak from a more trauma-informed place of empathy because we realize everyone holds pain everyone has had their version of trauma and probably what I perceive as mean judgmental nasty

people are people in the throws of their trauma who don't know it or are trying to avoid it so suffering and service are connected and actually the willingness to be in service is what frees you from being absorbed in your trauma because there's the survival of your trauma then there's I process my trauma and then that becomes my new security blanket my specialness my whatever the excuses I use to oh I'm not safe enough to make that choice whatever it's going to be service is actually what gets you out of using trauma as a form

of identification and service is where we actually start to see how inconceivably selfless the soul is that the soul is willing to experience a level of personal trauma to know the world it came to help support and then will heal itself of a trauma that its own Divinity guided itself through just to bust out of a cocoon as a new version of itself so that that new born self can liberate so many beings on the planet that's an inconceivable level of selflessness which is why most spiritual people think I must have manifested this why did

I create this life doesn't exist in a linear reality we perceive it linearly to organize it so we have experiences but it doesn't happen that way so none of that's even true on any level but it's how we try to cope with with what is not mentally rational it is an inconceivable level of love and empathy for the Divine to dress up as people to come down to this world to go through traumatic experiences only to liberate the victims and the Predators from anything that occurred on this planet and to know that the depths of

pain that exists in this world have been created as a setup to show the entire world what the light has the power to heal what we are experiencing is the setup of one of the greatest Miracles the world will ever experience and people will say why is there so much pain where is God and all of this how could there be a loving God in a world like this with trafficking and all the things we could talk about there is very little awareness of what is being set up and people will talk about the setup

of the collapse of the dollar and the people that run the world you think that's a setup the real setup is the world has been created to look like it's being flushed down the evolutionary toilet so when the light really starts Dawning it can be a big enough Miracle to get people's attention and show people what's really at work who's really at charge so there is a countdown going on and it's only Armageddon for people who feed off of Darkness the light is not here to defeat the darkness the light is rescuing the darkness cuz

every atrocious thing the darkness does to a human being is crying out to be freed from a dream it can't stop trying to control this is a rescue mission and what is being created as a world that looks like it's more divided than ever is setting the stage for the light to show you how powerful it is and instantly within faster than you can BL blink your eyes will make this world whole again and then everyone will remember and no one will forget and the world will have taken its evolutionary leap and the Earth will

have fulfilled its Mission at this time in history which is to manifest heaven on Earth which may not happen tomorrow we're on the trajectory of this but the destiny of the earth is to become heaven on Earth which then takes its place as being the heart chakra of the universe and we are living through the dark days of this realization and we're living through what I call a Divine setup religion will call it Revelation they'll think of it as Rapture and this is all just a setup for the Divine to create the world that looks

like there's no hope left and then the light awakens and everyone sees and we are turning the corner to towards that prophecy and we're all living it out and the more we heal and love ourselves the more we say I will be one of those doors that lets this miracle of a light change the world for the better and each of us right now have the choice to say yes to that and that's what's so exciting is this what you're referring to also when you say there's a great the great quickening happening yes at this

time in 2024 and the coming years and decades to come yes and by the way I realized I didn't partially answer your question about my own personal life right we'll get to it we'll get to it but there is a quickening there's a quickening of time there's a quickening because we're we're moving out of identification with time right the fourth dimension time is just what takes us from third dimensional Consciousness to The Fifth Dimension and in unity it's a whole different reality uh but things are quickening but also right now the revelation of self-interest is

quickening the revelation of greed is quickening um the lies of what people thought was true you know it's all quickening and so it's kind of like we're living out a movie on a little bit of a fast forward and so it's more intense and destabilizing for people do you think it's literally that case or is it our uh ability to observe what's happening because of our it's in front of our face now is that part it's got to be part of the process too of our perception of its quickening absolutely abolutely I think what's happening

is that as time speeds up our awareness expands and so we're equally becoming more aware of things as a it's as a storyline speeds up like sometimes if you watch a movie you can see details by by by just taking your time sometimes if you watch it if you fast forward you oh what was that and we see things that we didn't normally see so I think as time speeds up our awareness expands um collectively but what's kind of interesting about that is individually people's awareness expand by slowing down and unplugging from the collective so

it's kind of an interesting balance of collectively things are speeding up or maybe we could say our awareness has expanded to such a way where it's speeding up time and we're moving through the progress of things but in either case there is a quickening happening and one of the wisest things that I think we can consider is that in earlier levels of Spiritual Development we will all pray for certain outcomes because we think this is the best case scenario like for example let's say that there's a tornado coming and we want it to avoid the

city it's heading for because we don't want people to lose their homes but what if the tornado decimating a town forces the town to come together and rebuild the town from a deeper state of unity consciousness ious and it's actually what the town needs even though it's what no one wants so I think when we wake up out of our spiritual ego we have to really humbly ask ourselves how do we actually know what the highest case scenario is and can we start actually praying and intending for the highest case scenario and being willing to

live it out even if it means things need to be decimated to be rebuilt on a higher level like it's a really deep it's a deep conversation and we all have to learn to be ready for things like that it is deep and nuance and it's interesting to be able to hold that possibility and understanding of what might be birthed after a you know wild fire or tornado decimating a town and yet still not be a bystander to atrocities when we have something to be able to do to to stop what's happening right 100% um

so it's like this unique balance of doing all that we can to truly be in that heart of service and the real world and also know that there may be larger plans at play and we'll see what happens um as we enact in the world that's going to bring the most well-being to people right now well even in my life I will always my wife and I both I will we will always do everything we can to bring and maintain peace everywhere we go and if what we're doing doesn't seem to work then we equally

accept what's meant to be so we don't I agree with you we don't stand by and go well yeah we we are going to try to do what we can for what we perceive to be the highest possibility and if that's not what is meant to be we will also be there to help pick up the pieces so I think when you're living of service it's an active energy it's not a passive energy right it's not and I think sometimes again we talk about spiritual ego you can get stuck in that Observer perspective where you're

very passive in your life and you're witnessing you're almost you're almost an audience member to the movie of your life instead of remembering you're the main character yeah and that can be a trap too so I think it's it's a very active uh role of being a participant of being a helper uh living of service I always like to think is like being a a spiritual first responder right it's fun to be a fireman playing cards with your friends in the firehouse but as soon as that siren goes off we respond and so when we

are of service we're we're spiritual First Responders or if I think of it like I'm I'm now a husband and I love being husband to my wife and when I'm with friends I I think of myself like everyone's husband meaning I'm always there to help someone someone needs a helping hand it's not just when I'm at home it's with anyone it's a stranger on the street if someone needs help I'm there to help them I'm everyone's friend I'm everyone's helper I'm a first responder and that's that's how I think of service amazing so okay now

let's pick it back up where we left off but the tangent I forgot I overlooked that look at me bypassing did maton just bypass you have a very unique story and you gave a couple examples of some experiences you've had um but both through the difficulties and challenges um through your Youth and childhood development yeah to like those spiritual experiences of dissolution uh I would love for you just to share a couple of those big themes you know it's really interesting um because I I I can tell my story of my of my life differently

based on where I am in my embodiment something I will share with you that happened recently that really touched my heart um so so I had a tumultuous experience with my family like we all do and I also had great experiences my my parents both you know they loved me and they did everything for me they idolized me and I I um I even had a father who my father loved me by idolizing me and and it and it in some ways robbed me of the experience of having the kind of father I wanted but

of course we always had the perfect experiences um I love my father dearly my mom was amazing and my mom was also could be a complete monster I think we all have these experiences and every level of Awakening I've gone through I can psychoanalyze both of my parents oh my father was a functional alcoholic my mom probably was borderline personal whatever the case might be oh this and that and of course my mom's upbringing with her father God that guy and and I can tell you the story from so different perspectives and I can tell

you that it was the greatest training ground of my life for the work I do which it was my family was the greatest PhD I've I've ever earned in Awareness but something struck me uh a couple months ago and and it wasn't you know I talked to my guides all the time and it wasn't like a being told me this it was something I just realized spontaneously and it changed my life and it was this energy hit my heart like I've never felt before and in a single moment it was one of the sweetest most

powerful moments of forgiveness where I said Divine mother Heavenly Father please forgive me for allowing the distraction of my human parents and being so preoccupied with their patterns that I innocently used that pattern to distract myself from knowing my real parents and in one moment I realized telling the story of Matt KH growing up in Torrance California was the story of my Earthly life but the the Christ which is not religious it's the light of divinity the story of my life is I am the son of the Divine father and heavenly mother and was brought

to this planet on a mission and I was given two of the most incredible teachers called my mom and my dad that's the true story and I realized focusing on their pain and why they are the way they are was this innocent distraction from remembering the true story the true nature of who I am and in that moment I realized my mom and my dad are also souls in the body like I've always known they're here on a mission and we came to learn from one another and I talked to my parents in heaven and

they have benefited from our life together as I have and I realized we actually have the same parents and so all of a sudden my dad became my brother and my mom is my sister and we are children of the Divine mother and heavenly father and there's something about the energy of that that completely wiped my heart completely clean and what it wiped my heart clean of is all all the fancy understanding I had from psychoanalyzing my family my whole life that in some ways was used to distance myself from the inferiority of their patterns

and develop this inner subtle superiority and that moment of forgiveness decimated that and I remembered completely and the reason why whether we're on podcasts or when you meet someone on the street and they said tell me about yourself it's always the Divine asking you to tell your story CU how you tell the story is how you acknowledge which level of truth you're in association with and every time I've ever been asked in an interview or on the plane tell me about yourself or tell me about your family tell me tell me your story I've always

talked about I'm at con I grew up in TS California I had this Mom and Dad oh God you're going to love this story they're a piece of work and I didn't even realize I was telling the most insightful dream I was in the most well-adjusted dream I was in the most well-adjusted illusion the real story is that I am the son of the Divine mother and heavenly father and I can feel it right now as I say this to you every cell of my body is whole is cleansed and it's what it for for

me it means to be reborn which is not religious it's spiritual it's being reborn as the light of the universe which they call Christos or the Christ and I remember about a year and a half ago I started going through this process because I've had experiences where I remember past lives and I remember parts of my life and I've had past lives of I was this I was that and then there was this thing that happened to me where I reached a level of Consciousness spontaneous ly where I realized remembering my past lives was a

different dream and it felt like I was instantly reborn and it was as if I was living my first and only dream and I felt reborn and I felt pure and I felt like I had no past but it wasn't until I had the realization I just shared with you and I forgave myself not like I did something wrong but I forgave myself for the innocence of using my ability to gather so much insight about my family as such a simp simple distraction those are just my Earthly chaperon I remember my real parents my real

family and I remember my mission and it changed me in such a way that I'm so excited that I have a chance to to share that with you that was that was so profound it hits so different when you say that from the embodiment of it versus like we were speaking to earlier the spiritual thing to say right right when it's not your authentic experience which it was when you were sharing or Psy you're psychoanalyzing your parents in the past perhaps um there's this quote from your book actually one of your books um that I

think is really in alignment with this theme of forgiveness yeah and I think the universe always has a plan um forgiveness is not a way of justifying cruel Behavior it is a way of refusing to store someone else's unhappiness in your cellular body as memory of mistreatment forgiveness is not a passive submission but an active form of Liberation in action yes that's beautiful thank you I love I I I remember that when you say it it's funny I think about what I've written and I remember virtually nothing how you read that I'm like oh I

like that and it turns out I wrote it right so funny it's it okay so the idea that when when someone hurts us they're storing their they're trying to separate from their Pain by storing it our bodies and when we forgive we're saying may this trauma stored in me be sent back as as healing for their journey and it's not reward and Punishment it's may they be healed so that no one else may be hurt and universe I with my Free Will Am nominating this person to go to the front of the line of healing

because we need to make sure no one else is harmed by their behavior and so when we forgive we're saying I'm not willing to allow you to store your unprocessed pain in my body which keeps me spiraling in victimhood and changing my point of Attraction and causing me to perceive um safe people who are really maybe not good for me I'm willing to say and this is how I've always seen forgiveness someone who stores their pain in my body is saying I need help and I don't know how to ask for help and they're doing

it towards a being that is of such a vibrational level of brightness that this is the person who over a period of time is more likely to forgive than to turn the energy stored in their body into creating another Predator that based on my pain I'm going to take another people and I'm going to continue the cycle and it's almost as if and it doesn't make any sense but it doesn't need to because love you know resolves it all that the people who stored pain in my body were crying out for help and didn't know

how be behind their wall of Pride to ask for the help they needed they stored their pain in my body I became aware of the pain in their body as a cry for help and I say Divine I nominate this person to be forgiven and FastTrack through their healing so no one else can be hurt again their soul is begging for the Redemption their ego can't even face and I complete that mission for them they say please please God return me to the light so I don't have to hurt anyone but I don't know how

to stop hurting myself and other people CU I'm so addicted to this pattern they take it out on me they store it in my body and I say I know how to help you brother I know how to help you sister and I help my brothers and my sisters find the light that they don't know they need that is not the kind of forgiveness people think forgiveness is forgiveness isn't let me forgive and hopefully I feel better and forgiveness isn't it's okay someone hurt me it's not okay that anyone hurt me and it's so not

okay that I will make it my life mission to make sure that they are fast track through their remembrance of light so that they never have a chance to hurt themselves or anyone else again that's a very different kind of energy and it's one that helps us advocate for ourselves it helps to have compassion for other people without making harm okay on any level there's a certain balance to this and we can feel the midpoint of this it's it's a forgiveness when it hits us properly is very empowering and it's not to harm someone it's

not ooh I hope their healing journey is hard so they can be because the truth is there are people in this world that have been hurt a lot of us have been hurt we all have memories of being hurt and when you're pain is doing the talking or the thinking you think I can't wait for the day where the person that harmed me gets what's coming to them the truth is you won't in in your soul not as your ego only as your ego would you want that as your soul you wouldn't be able to

even withstand someone else going through what you've gone through because we're one it would just be a revisiting of your own trauma and so the greatest Justice there is in the universe is I pray that people that have harmed me who harmed themselves and harmed others can be brought through the healing Journey that they're avoiding by hurting themselves and others so that they are so aware of the light that they never have to hurt themselves or others again and may any type of predatorial behavior birth a desire for someone want to be of Greater service

to the world we live in that's when the light is really moving through us and that we are wanting Wellness for all we are wanting Justice for All and we're not looking at through reward and Punishment we're not looking at it through fairness fairness is that everyone deserves to heal and everyone deserves to know how powerful their ability to help can be for others and and that's that's the world that we are continuing to see be created and the more the light shines and the more miracles appear in this planet the more that type of

spiritual Renaissance comes to life I love and what you just shared in that quote also how forgiveness not being that passive submissive energy but an active form really of liberation of um you know not drinking poison thinking other people are going to die you know and right I think there's the balance where our personality structure will often need time and space from the people who have H us to be able to acknowledge the how it served and um and and the gift in it all and everything yeah and so with that understanding how are boundaries

in AC of self-love I love that question well I I think boundaries can be perceived a couple different ways right sometimes boundaries we think of it like um you know I'm going to create a boundary because I don't like the way you're treating me which is which is valid right if someone if someone's talking down to you and you say hey the way you're talking to me is really kind of not feeling good in my body and they don't take and they don't hear it they keep continuing there are going to be times where you

say you know I need to excuse myself um maybe maybe you know maybe I can talk to you later maybe next lifetime how about we hook up five life times from now maybe that I'll be good uh but really you know what I think of boundaries is a deeper invitation because the ego that feeds itself on specialness will use boundaries like a form of karate like someone takes one karate class and they're like looking for someone to throw a kick like oh oh I can't wait to go on horse dance and I can't wait to

block or whatever and do some whatever but you know forgive or not forgiveness boundaries boundaries I think can be thought of in a very humble way so boundaries let us know when what energy we're giving is starting to deplete the energy we need for our own well-being like you know I'm driving on this trip I think it might time time to go to the gas station refill and maybe that's some alone time some spaciousness some presence and boundaries is really the first sign of it is hey I think I'm getting to that point where I'm

either exhausted tired or I have little to give and I need to start replenishing myself I think like is telling me this interaction is it's time for me to go focus on self-care and then at deeper level the boundary is I'm going to create a boundary and take space from this person because I'm being aware of what version of myself is coming to the surface and if it's less than my highest Integrity I'm going to remove myself from the situation CU I only want to demonstrate my highest ideals at ethics Integrity so I'm noticing like

if I'm if I'm at a family function and this doesn't happen as much anymore if I'm at a family function I'm starting to feel impatient doing a lot of listening I don't not people aren't asking me a lot of questions people are starting to annoy me their energy is starting to kind of affect me that means that I've spent enough time in an environment where I'm aware that the my level of conduct is starting to lower so I'm going to create a boundary to give myself the self-care that I need so that whenever I'm around

other people I do my best to represent my highest ethics and values because that's my service of what I want to demonstrate to the world the world is a game of Follow the Leader so what I demonstrate is what I hope for the world to reflect back to me and if I notice that I'm not able to hold that space I might get triggered I might get agitated then what do I need in in in the name of selfcare what do I need that I don't have to rely on other people to give me what

do I need probably space probably alone time maybe time to write in my journal maybe take a walk in nature so can I give myself what I need you know there there is a reality to I need boundaries from people who act inappropriately but it's not as often as people think most of the time boundary is like children who want to keep playing the teacher knows it's time for nap time and the kids don't want to nap even though they need it they want to keep playing and so boundaries are I give myself the rest

that I need so that I can always be the greatest version of myself in the presence of other people and I always have the ability to receive the gifts that other people are demonstrating to me in full awareness or Consciousness so boundaries are really about making sure that a life of Desire is balanced with the importance of self-care it's not always the spiritual karate against narcissists there aren't that many narcissists in this planet everyone's waking up in different ways but it's actually about making sure that I'm always advocating for what I need and not getting

lost in my interactions and expectations of others that's beautiful I think it's such a good frame for you know I I sometimes say that like we don't just need self- Lov but to realize our s is love I love that and I think you're speaking to really the importance of this the self that does need space to have the self-care to acknowledge where you've overextended or the intolerance of the people around you uh or it's just not you know going to negatively affect you and your ability to um live in a h in your own

overall wellbeing um and and cultivating at the same time um a beautiful tolerance and patience I don't think tolerance is is quite the right word but cultivating a beautiful patience and the eyes of compassion and understanding to be able to be in the presence of somebody who has pain who is uh through their actions displaying that pain in a myriad of different ways it can manifest and to still see through to the truth of who someone is right and that is really beautiful that's a truly graceful individual and I really love the energy of Grace

yes and I feel that from you and I would love for you to reflect on Grace and cultivating the eyes of compassion and understanding I love that I think so okay so what comes to me what was coming to me when you're talking and I just love this conversation so much is that the misstep people have is they go if I realize that I'm the Divine whether I have had that realization or I read that in a book and I just kind of took that on if I'm the divine shouldn't my energy be infinite I

don't need boundaries and that's an ego trip that's a huge ego trip so because the Divine is staying true to itself as a person so even though you are a being that is connected to Infinite Energy you know you are still the body is still a vehicle that is using energy depleting itself energy and needs to be refilled because that's what creates the humility along with the Transcendence humility and Transcendence together creates an energy I call Grace but just as an analogy we were talking about boundaries before you know we think of it as like

oh each human experience we have is a certain expenditure of energy so the energy is like a bank account and the expenditure of that energy is like writing a check and if you write a check for for less for more than an amount you have in your account your account goes negative so one of the reasons people are negative is that their ego wants to be in benefit from an A Moment that they don't have the funds in their account to cover I love that and so when we become Grace we are being the Divine

we are infinite we are Eternal but we are also respecting the experience of being in the physical body and we're able to keep a balanced checkbook because again if you look at the world and you think it's too much of an illusion you're not going to respect all of the nuances like oh I don't I don't keep my account in the positive because this world's illusion and money's not real but see that's like an then we're like overreaching then we're like missing the point of being here like if you're at Disneyland and you go that's

not really Mickey Mouse that's just a 17-year-old dressed in a costume but you're in the Magic Magical Kingdom you're in the park right you're you're here so I think Grace is where we say I'm fully aware that I am an infinite Eternal being I also respect that I'm having an experience of being in a body where experiences are temporary what begins is only beginning to end and I am an infinite being learning to be mindful with my energy based on how it es and flows and to be true to the fact that I may not

always be in a place for certain experiences or certain experiences are better to have later than now and can I start to notice the difference between honoring my ego and its desires and not ignoring them but also knowing how I balance that with self-care you know one of the differences between adults and children is that adults know what they need and the difference between a need and a want and children think their wants are their needs and so when we are Grace we are we have woken up we are always growing up as we are

waking up and we are willing to honor the temporal experience of body as a celebration of the Eternal being within it we have both sides balanced we're not too much this we're not too much that and we're not oversimplifying it going oh I'm the Divine I should be able to handle everything you know fine I'll adopt a thousand cats put them in my house I'm the Divine I can do it all you know that that's where the ego is kind of in person personating Divinity so part of the mesmerizing balance is that the Divine will

create what seems like limitations only to have structure within lives because structure creates focus and it creates balance and so we're these infinite beings but so infinite that we can commit to the structure of being in body and world so that there's a framework and a focus to shining our light and watching our light change form and uplevel reality for the experience we're having in this training program so I think Grace is Transcendence and humility combined do you think on that token then do you think like your book says that the Universe actually has a

plan for you like do you think you take that literally or do you think that the more that you trust and your path unfolds the more it's it's likely to to unfold in in a way that is Pleasant for you um yeah both are true I mean but but literally speaking there is an akashic records uh what looks like a to me you know when I've been to the akashic records it looks like the Lincoln Memorial when you walk up these steps and it's this incredible Library this is how it looks to me incredible library

of all these books when you go to the akashic records it's interesting there's very specific formality like I was met by this being in this Gregorian monk robe with this Hood covering his face are these in like spontaneous experiences or meditative moments both okay but like I will sometimes I just like we sit here and then I'm there like an Asal projection or sometimes I'm in meditation and I go there okay it's both um and I met this being with this hooded robe and he didn't speak but I intuitively knew oh this is the gate

keeper you know you just go with it okay it's a gatekeeper and the energy is so definitive that it just it just strikes you as truth and you're guided through the akashic records like a library and you know people think they're's going to go the akashic records start pulling books off the shelves you don't touch books the gatekeeper touches books pulls it off the shelf opens up a book of your lifetime and when you sign off on contracts you put your hand over the book and an energy comes a golden light comes through and signs

off on things it's a very specific process but there's a book of every soul and every chapter is like a different Incarnation and there are things about our lives that are set up ahead of time predetermination and I believe that part of the nuances the reason we have intuition is because this is not the first time we've done this specific lifetime I call it meta Incarnation where you come back to this like if I came back as Matt Khan but I wanted to experience it with a slightly different perspective so intuition is remembering how many

times I've done this and knowing what's about to happen and choosing differently and so free will is I can choose how to see a moment and I can respond vibrationally from a different perspective which will give me a different experience of what's going to happen because the universe knows you can have these Milestones of things that are meant to happen but how you experience it is solely determined by how you respond bond which is based on your level of awareness so there is when I say the universe has a plan there is literally a plan

and there are infinite versions of that plan based on how we respond and perceive those moments so those those two things that you just said feel vastly different to me yes the fact that the universe is a plan versus there infinite amount of plans that change based off what you can respond to through your own free will and not this deterministic kind of route totally get that and it's absolutely somehow both of those exist in a Quantum reality that is so inconceivable to perceive um a and and I think because and and I appreciate you

saying this I think when we always want to choose which one it is it's either it's all up to me and makes me feel like I have some sort of power or I have nothing to do with this and I don't even need to be here which is kind of more of a Deus point of view but the universe is so complex and I think what is so beautiful about this is it is so inconceivably complex that one of the ways that we tend to cope with this is by oversimplifying things but it is so

complex and such a the tapestry is so beautiful is so unimaginable like to conceive of what the Divine created is so outrageously inconceivable but I but I I I I think what what bears to be shared or what what I feel inspired to share is no matter how you choose to look at this what I think is important is our decisions matter matter and our decisions truly shape the experiences that we have and it's like sitting in a movie theater where the way we look at the screen determines whether it's a animated feature from Pixar

or a psychological Thriller and I think that there's an importance that each of us play in our lives and I think the universe does have a specific plan I think it does get very specific I don't think it's sometimes as specific as people think I think there are Milestones of experience we are all meant to go through I know for a fact there are infinite Dimensions parallel Dimensions that can't be counted or perceived and even if we were to think of it as there's one lifetime in infinite dimensions and if you were to change Dimensions

You' call that a past life lifetime or a different lifetime so however you want to perceive it I think the question is what is the wisdom people are embracing and is it bringing them to be excited about their choices and growing into making different choices and how those choices can affect other people's choices as long as it brings us in that direction you know we can see it however we're going to see it if we value love if we value compassion that's what's important but I agree with you it is inconceivable to say there is

there are things that are going to happen and you have the ability to interact with this and and and to change your experience of it it seems like those are two different things um and yet right uh what was the nister gadada quote it's the same thing love and wisdom yeah love says I'm right wisdom says I'm nothing wisdom love says I'm everything between these two points my life unfolds it's almost the same thing it's it is the same thing yeah and it's it's the play It's the play It's the balance it's it's the relationship

between waves and the ocean it's it's the it's a beauty too vast to be understood with Concepts and yet we use Concepts to bring people into the beauty of the yeah ultimately words fail us and the the poetic explanations seem to Encompass more of the possibility of the truth often yeah um and we always want to understand things logically right intellectually over overly so I feel like in the stay and age so which by the way I think is beautiful because I think it's kind of like musicians trying to reach perfect notes or octaves in

a song and even if we never achieve that if we never tried we'd never have music absolutely so I love the questions I would never want people to stop asking questions and I think we should never stop trying to put the truth into words because that's what birs the melody of this transmission and this is the art we're creating like right now our discussion is Art this exchange is Artful and we are weaving a tapestry of artistry and everyone who is a part of this together we are all in celebration of divine art and so

may we never stop putting into words may we never stop asking questions may we never stop being curious may we always discover new Melodies to sing together beautiful can I ask can I ask you a little bit more about mystical experiences yeah cuz sometimes if people haven't had the experience of like an out of body experience or where every cell in their body is you know filled with bliss which is a real thing that I've experienced that unless I experienced I wouldn't be able to like wrap my head around what that means like it's an

experience that goes beyond um our linguistic capacity um now what what do you think are the reality between some of these mystical experiences that you've had with like with different beings with guides with the akashic field a lot of these things that I think a healthy level of skepticism is is is good because you're you're not naively accepting what somebody else is saying but you're also not discarding it as as uh without it being grounded in reality too so um what what do you think are the possibilities of you and your pre previous mystical experiences

having some sort of ort of mental Recreation of certain things or like what I guess what how do you ground the reality of things actually happening when you're speaking to beings Gods Etc well it's an interesting question I love this you know from the beginning of my spiritual experiences I was always skeptical part of me was always skeptical and I thought it was healthy because I would never want to be a part of this industry or do this work unless I was really doing it for real cuz I have such respect for people's time and

uh safety and wounds and um when I first got into this work I have these experiences and I'd meet you know ascended masters and Archangels even as I'm talking to them I'd be like really really yeah really M ack looking like Gandalf the wizard really really and saying things like my son by tomorrow's time oh tomorrow's time who talks like that really MC I talk like this to them and it's and it's hilarious and I did because I wanted to see what the reaction would be and I was afraid that I was making it up

to be perfectly honest I thought I was making it up and I've had so many experiences that I never could have imagined ahead of time I never have concocted um I've had experiences that are so mind blowingly out of my Paradigm of of to to think that I'm I'm making this up but but here here's the answer and this is what I've always focused on when I started having experiences with my guides what allowed me to trust it was that they always carried the vibration of love that I felt when I was 8 years old

and I left my body and I went to what I call the garden and is when I went to heaven I've went to heaven and I met what I now know as Jesus and it was a body experience and I fell back in my body and it's one of the biggest moments that began this journey I can't believe I almost didn't ask you about this stuff okay we got some Stu in Jesus you know when Christ in the garden it was just just just you know years before my bar mitzvah and and so I always

had the experience of this Garden this heavenly garden and it always felt like a love beyond anything I've ever experienced with my parents and so because the guides always had this energy of love I I could trust it and they always said to me they said to me don't be as mesmerized with what we say always pay attention to how we act and embody it so I would hear what they and I would ask my my guides questions all day like I would I I have one of the benefits when you start having these connections

is you have to remember to ask questions and I would ask the same questions every day I would just barrage them with questions and they' always be the same I've never gotten an answer that wasn't love loving no matter what it was there's never been any ounce of vindictiveness no Duality no ego just pure love and I would when I would meet with different guides nisc Jesus mother Mary qu and all these people and I and I KN and I got onto it early on like I got on to it as like these are aspects

of divinity and I am the Divine and these are in some way aspects of yourself archetypes well I can tell you a story about that and so but but what I paid attention to was how do they treat me always in the highest level of like spiritual royalty for all beings without blowing smoke up my ass like they weren't just oh you are the chosen one my son no one else is only you finally you know what I mean and so they were very loving that was the first thing I paid attention to the second

thing I've always paid attention to is and this is how I really this is something really important to me cuz a lot of us have really big experiences the most important thing is not how big is your experience what's different about you after the experience how did it affect you qualitatively did it make you more loving are you more patient are you more compassionate so there are a lot of people who have these really interesting experiences whether plant medicine induced or naturally and I've never really done plant medicine what I look at is not wow

that was so cool that I met Quan Yin and I could tell this cool story what is the fruit what does it matter to how I behave in this body what became more important as a result of that what became less important and that's what I think is the greatest thing to say is whether people are having experiences that were naturally manifested or mentally constructed it doesn't really matter all that matters to me is what's different about you like you know people will tell me stories about their Awakening and I think they're incredible stories and

I love hearing Awakening stories and then I say and what has become different about you and how you are with your family and people around you than before what's the difference that's what I'm interested in is the as you say the fruit the growth the change and so I I could say very easily that I could take all of my mystical experiences including the one I'm about to share with you and I could I could I could give it back to the Divine if that meant that I beared greater fruit of embodiment I'm not attached

to my experiences I'm only grateful that it brought different versions of me to the surface and it allows me to demonstrate EAS and be the embodiment like the way I treat my audience the way I am with human beings whether someone knows who I am or not is the way my guides talk to me and I learned I learned how to deliver the light of divinity by how my guides delivered it to me and they would teach me things about Quantum reality that were super awesome but what I was always paying attention to is how

do they treat me how are they talking to me if I ask a bunch of questions how do they respond and it's always been that's always been the study and for me it's always been about embodiment and that's that's something that that is so core to me and I think it's the one of the most important things we'll ever learn uh along the path but as the story I was going to tell you before but just before you jump that quickly you know I think that discernment too of what part of you is it unlocking

versus what part of it of what part of you is it potentially feeding yes um whether the aspects of yourself or real beings you're connecting to if they're talking to you about how you're the chosen one and it's you know potentially just your lower self feeding your own narcissism right like it and because it feels loving you think that this is a transformative experience and yet in ways you're not fully aware it's actually putting you deeper into ignorance right and what's interesting about that too and I think this is where the misunderstanding is there are

people that have experiences where loving presence will say you are the chosen one the misunderstanding well by the way that's true like the the the the wisdom would say if one being on this planet accepted their true nature with that with every fiber of their being the entire world would change the fine print of that teaching is that each and every one of us get to be that chosen one so for example when the beings come and say you're the chosen one the ego perceives I'm the chosen one instead of other people being a chosen

one each and every one of us get the experience of being chosen to remember we are the one so there's a very subtle thing with that teaching where when like for a lot of people when they have the experience I'm the chosen one and then we have the newest cult leader created in the world when it's I'm the chosen one separate from other people that's when we get into a big disaster when it's oh it's my unique turn to be the one that helps other ones remember they're the one that we're all the one that

the second coming the second coming of christh good Christ Consciousness is the birth of a conscious World a community it is the one as a collective expression of unity right the we the I am expands into the we and so that I am has to be remembered in every heart but the common misstep is that I'm the chosen one versus others instead of each of us are that one I am and that's a ver that that's something I think that gets overlooked yeah that Nuance where if it's building the illusion of Separation in how you

are for yourself and how you act in the world versus there's a real seed of transformation and how you both perceive the world and act and interact with other people in your life are two vastly different experiences and I think sometimes often in the plant medicine communities different spiritual communities there can be this experience hunting of these like the more mystical experience you have and the more fanciful it is the more evolved you are and you know it's it's again a distraction on the path taking you away from what's most important and uh so yeah

I'm just glad we had that little added that little Nuance to the conversation um and now I'm super curious to hear what you're going to share with your story is this going to be the 8-year-old experience or it's a different one it's actually one that came a couple years many well many years after that um and just as an aside about plant medicine you know the more Vivid the the experiences the more intense the longer it takes to integrate and then people when they're integrating are going through layers of discomfort to integrate that experience then

people go well I don't want to be uncomfortable I should go back into plant medicine and they they they sometimes not all the time they tend to do it s such on a regular basis that it really uh just if someone were to take medicine more than they needed to you know any everything's about balance so I I really I really just hope that anyone that does any experience whether it's obsessively meditating or breath work you know everything has to be done with mindfulness um anything that is supposedly good for us can always be bad

for us and so but the experience I had was okay so when I was in my early 20s so when I was eight I had this adab body experience then my guides didn't talk to me until I was in my mid 20s living in my parents house in my bedroom I think I was going through a healing of a back injury and I was at home I hurt my back on at my job I was a personal trainer I was paid to stay at home for like a year and excruciating back pain and I was

getting epidural shots every week and um my my guid started talking to me and they said you know you're not who you think you are and I literally said who the hell are you that's what I said and we started this conversation and and I started working with my guides and part of me was like whoa this is whoa this is happening and then part of me was like am I making this up you know and and so I went on this adventure of meeting my guides and having these conversations with the universe and then

like I don't know how long it took maybe a year or six months I don't know the time frame I can't remember they said we want to show you something and and I closed my eyes and I was instantly in front of the akashic records look like the Lincoln Memorial and I walked up these stairs and in front of this you know up the stairs of the L what looked like the Lincoln Memorial to me was like this light table this table of all these lights and all of the ascended masters I've been working with

were standing in front of the table and I walked up and I was kind of like hey like all you and here I am and I said I want to show you something and they reached under their chins as if their faces were masks and they lifted up their masks and underneath all of them were me and I gasped but then true to myself I paused and I said I don't get it and they said we are not only who you are becoming we are what you have already become they said those kind of words

we are agents of the future traveling back in time to visit ourselves in spiritual childhood and so there is this moment of the Divine I am is within me these guides are like archetypes like future you future versions of myself they're all just different archetypes and that the Divine creates itself as all these different versions of the Divine and they all have different you know Specialties and things and it's like the Divine creates itself as a multiplicity of avatars to work together and carry out the will of the Divine and so I am I realized

in that moment I am both the experiencer of this body that that is named Matt khon I am both in connection with this highest higher wisdom of the Universe I am living out I guess the spiritual childhood of some future version of myself right and you realize almost like Holy Trinity and you realize that the mind can't focus on more than one of those at a time it can't accept that you are a trinity of reality and so it was an understanding that broke my mind open for the need for understanding and it was at

that moment where understanding just kept pouring in like an open faucet and this is before I started teaching publicly but it was an experience of such profound Revelation that it wasn't like I walked away and I went now I get it it was just the awe and wonderment of how truly profound and beautiful reality is and it was such a humbling moment it wasn't like oh who cares what happens in this lifetime I'm an ascended Master right oh I I go to the grocery store 13 items or less I'll bring 15 I'm an ascended master

and it wasn't like that it was actually so humbling and again what's the most important thing to me how different it makes me afterwards and the best part of that experience is it made it so much more enjoyable to just be metad that it wasn't like I walked away from that experience with this super big Superior complex or thinking I'm an ascended Master it was I get to experience the beauty of this character i g I'm giving the Divine the Divine has an opportunity to experience itself as this character and I get to experience it

from that Divine awareness and I get to experience how absolutely beautiful it is to be me and how absolutely incredibly gorgeous everyone else is to me even though it all comes with all the growth and the hurt and all the things it it it made my life a blessing to live and when I was growing up as a very young kid very energetically overwhelmed very shut down and all these things I didn't know why I was here and I couldn't wait to get the hell out of here and all of a sudden being here was

the greatest gift and what I can say is I have so many experiences that are people would go whoa that's so mindblowing or whatever the greatest gift is not only the version of myself at births after the experience but it leaves you without a Hunger for More because you realize how much there is to receive and I realized how much of my life hadn't been received and so I was literally starting to live a life where I was taking in every breath and moment as if it could be my last and I started to feel

as if I now I'm starting to Glimpse what it means to live beautiful those opening experiences and the teaching that ensued eventually after when you I'm very interested in how you know when we want to sound intelligent we like really focus on how we're expressing ourselves and we remember all these different things and there's a different level of intelligence where we understand the universe is mental and the deepest part of our mind is so inherently intelligent and we don't have to try to come off as intellectual but we can tap into the deep intelligence that

our body is connected to yeah and that if we purify our perception and we make our perception profound our expression will be profound I love that and it sounds like these experiences have opened up a lot for you to where you can have a topic and you just go for an hour and it's like this isn't rehearsed this isn't stuff you previously um thought of but um it's still incredibly profound and whether you call it a channel whether you call it um just receiving downloads in the moment or whatever it is you're you're able to

share um truth when you're connected to it and perceive it as such and so I I think that's that's another fruit that it's Beed in your life is being able to share and teach and even in this podcast having really moments where you're you just fully feel like you're you're getting out of your own way yeah and there's a higher intelligence speaking through you absolutely and um I'm just curious uh what what is that like for you when you're in the moment and you have wisdom that is flowing through you that you haven't pre previously

had cognition of right um that is often surprising to you right uh what is it like in your in your body and and yeah I'm just curious it feels like I'm surfing the biggest tidal wave and I'm in a moment where I am aware I'm surfing a tidal wave but I don't want to be too in that awareness because I'm going to probably fall off the board and I don't want to ignore it because I'm I'm on a Title Wave and I'm here so it's kind of like the balance of like you know I love

spirituality I love spiritual growth so I'm I'm I'm also I've always been I I was a fan of spirit spirituality since the day I found out about it because I'd asked my parents deep questions they go oh those are spiritual questions and I go I don't know what this is but I love it and so I love this field and I love everything about teaching and I love the ability to just go on stage and take a teaching and flip it upside down and let's look at it from different perspectives I just love the art

of it and so when I'm on stage and I'm and I'm in the middle of it because I'm I'm in my experience I'm outside of myself tuning into how the audience is receiving what I'm saying I'm also witnessing what I'm I'm like I'm like three different places at once and and and I I every time I do what I do it's like the first time I've ever done it which is how it feels pure to me it's never let go of course it's like oh my god I've never said this before or I'm teaching myself

while I'm teaching to an audience of hundreds and thousands of people and I'm I'm I'm always doing it in a way that feels fresh and real to me and even when I tell a joke and I'm funny that that just comes to me it's all kind of just this this this flow that I'm in and even in my personal life a lot of every a lot of most areas of my life it's the same flow even though it's not the same frequency when I'm in the channel it's a more intense frequency but I'm always like

when I'm cooking I'm always channeling I I I pull ingredients out and I literally make just make a dish and when I'm doing what I do I feel like I'm writing the biggest Title Wave and it's the biggest Thrill Ride of my life when I was about I don't even know I could say 12 I could say 14 I couldn't even tell you probably 14 I remember I was on the school yard I think it was in Middle School so somewhere around that age and I looked up at the sky at recess and I said

I would like to witness the Miracles of the Divine firsthand and I want to spend my life the front row seat watching The Miracles of divinity and action and I forgot about that and one day I was onage quite the request there young it just kind of happened but I remember saying this just this like deep aspiration I've had these moments throughout my life that just like I had a moment when I was in fifth grade watching the school choir sing Christmas songs and they did that do You Hear What I Hear song and I

had to politely walk out of the auditorium and walk halfway across the school and I screamed burst into tears and had a religious or a spiritual experience I didn't know it was happening I was just afraid of embarrassing myself so I've had these moments that are so spontaneous I remember when I was 14 I said this to the sky I don't know what the hell I was even doing and I said this and then I remember years later I forgot about that and I was on stage and I was in the middle of channeling and

I realized holy I'm actually living that 14-year-old aspiration I actually get to witness the miracle of divinity in action and I get a front row seat through this body what teachings and energy has been channeled people have been healed by were they healed by Matt Con they were healed by the divine within themselves that I held space for that to occur they healed by the Divine and I got to experience it I got to witness it and I got to see the glory of light and what it's capable of doing and I was the space

that it seemed to work through in that moment or at least got to witness and think I'm a part of it whatever the case may be I got to experience I get to experience that and that is so humbling especially because it helps you check your math like I am a I am a space through which the Divine comes through and the Divine is entering through itself Matt Khan is a witness to what the Divine is doing and to say Matt Khan is doing any of this it are words I couldn't even speak seriously because

I'm so grateful and so awe AED by the wonder by the miracle mirales and by the presence of this light that I am but I'm I'm a I'm a part of this and I get to be a part of the Journey of of what happens when this when this comes through like with us and in the audience and I just I don't even know how to express how grateful I am and how beautiful it is to be able to witness this and the only way I can say thank you is by serving as a demonstration

of what continues to touch me and how grateful I am that that there are platforms like this with you that I get to share this and people get to walk away with more of that light within themselves that's my whole intention and hope is that they listen to us and they walk away with more of that light Remembrance in their own heart for what it will inspire them to witness in their own lives and to whenever it's time for for you know this final breath to occur and move out of this Dimension I will say

thank you for all the Miracles I had the chance to witness and to witness how many beings get to claim that light within themselves it it's it's an extraordinary beauty and all I can say is the more my life is given to the work that I do the more I am aware that it is the Divine working through me and I would rather someone walk away from an experience with me with more of that light within themselves than for them to make it about me so the more as I keep teaching I've done this for

18 years what is become so clear to me recently is I don't mind the popularity I use it as an opportunity to spread these messages I I I love that I've touched so many lives but I want to ensure that when people walk away from any moment with me they walk away with their focus on Divinity and sometimes it can be very distracting and very easy to make it about the character this is about the essence this is all about the essence I'm blessed to be a part of this experience people like the way it

transmits through me and I'm honored by that but I want to make sure that when people experience this they remember the essence and are not distracted by that and that is just how the deepening of my work with the Divine is going and it's becoming so clear to me and I still honor everything but but when you are when you are when you are in this presence there is only one truth there is only one one way and it becomes more clear with every breath and that's what I wish for people to receive in their

hearts is the love of divinity to know it exists within themselves thank you for the opportunity to pass it along or to reflect that but let's make this about the Divine that's what we all need and that's what the world needs right now is not more things to work on in ourselves but to remember this is all about remembering the Divine and bringing it to life this conversation has been really beautiful man thank you I've been loving the tapestry that's been weaved throughout all the different themes that we've covered and um that reminder at the

end to you know we can all get caught up in the personality structure when what we're sharing and and you want to keep the reminder on the Divinity the essence coming back to it and um and you know I think that your work has been a really beautiful light for people to unveil and remember that within themsel um I did want to ask you was like kind of like my last thought or question what is the what if you had to p a Syle what is the process of clearing your name oh yeah I remember

oh I kind vaguely remember when I talked about clearing your name I think I was talking about a teaching about cuz you know I was even a spiritual name some people have spiritual names but what I wanted to do was change how my name felt to me when I was younger I used to be very embarrassed by my name um my mom would say Matthew when I was in trouble and so if I ever heard my name I just had I'm in trouble yeah oh my God send me to prison whatever it is I did

it and my last name I used to be embarrassed by because I was embarrassed by my parents Behavior sometimes in public and so I had I was given a spiritual name but I had an intuition not to use it publicly and instead what I did was I went on an adventure of healing like I help guide people through like this whole conversation has been talking about yeah exactly and what I did was I went through and I loved all the different parts of me I loved me that was marginalized that felt overlooked that felt ashamed

and I I I I pulled up every part of me that was hiding or that represented my name or my family and I loved those parts but now based on the experience I told earlier about I'm not going to let my Earthly parents distract me from my Divine parents I believe clearing our name is when your name is no longer a symbol of our hurtful regrettable past but is instead the unique frequency that the Divine created to enter this world that's how we clear our name that's beautiful and that's such an amazing note to wrap

up on and reminder for our audience and for myself to to go on that journey and to face what needs to be faced along the journey as we are if we say yes to the journey of clearing our name we're also saying yes to all the trials and tribulations on the way of getting there and um it's it's so worth it though and yeah this uh I just want to sayk thank you so much for showing up with such a like a empty vessel Hollow bone to allow what wanted to come through you in this

conversation and uh I really loved it man is there any last words that you want to share with our community today or anything that's on your heart before we start to wrap up I just want to open that space well thank you I you know I first I want to say thank you for this time it's been incredible I've really loved our dialogue and I thinkk everyone who's who's joining us on this journey together um and and I just my my my final words would be what the Divine says to every being in every breath

whether it's a language we can hear the sound of the breath is saying in a nearly inaudible language I love you the I the love and the you are the Holy Trinity of the same Divine source so I love and you is Divinity Divinity divinity again the remembrance of the Divine as we remember the Divine we remember that the I and the you being loved are separate unique aspects of the same one and so I would always just say exactly what the Divine says to every heart I love you you are loved you are love

itself and then if we just all take this journey more gently and more slowly the greatest possibility is not that we move through our healing journey is that we do it in a way that is of service to ourselves and others and in a way that helps us remember the Divine and to embody the love that is helping set the stage for this planet to be the location of the greatest miracle that has ever been conceived in reality and it's being done to transform the earth into the heart chakra of the universe and we're all

apart of that fulfillment well said Thank you you're good with whereas Matt yeah maybe I should do this more often yeah you should try speaking sometime yeah I'll see how it goes everybody that's tuning in if you made it now through over two-hour podcast you know uh I just want to send some acknowledgement to the only way somebody would would really go through a 2hour you know listen to a 2-hour conversation like this is that they're genuinely on the the path they're authentically and sincerely um really on this journey of integration and awareness and just

shout out to you like good on you for doing the work and thank you for tuning in to this conversation it's our greatest joy yes I can speak for both of us that it's such a joy being able to to Deep dive like this and connect and meet a new brother and and have this be hopefully a source of inspiration and support for you on your journey so thank you for coming on this journey and uh until next time be well [Music] w [Music]