Ido Portal - FULL Beach Interview

[Music] [Applause] thank you so much for having us in your home country in Tel Aviv I really like it here pleasure it feels like everyone is kind of excited to be here there seems to be like a passion I don't know floating around the place it's nice that's good to hear so I've got a bit of a confession to make I'm falling in love with my body again and I think it's all your fault wow that's that's a big honor I uh it's always H amazing to hear how people change their relationship with their body

which is them the relationship with themselves and it's a if I can facilitate that I it's a huge thing for me well cuz I used to be the BJJ guy and then the ti boxing guy and then the weightlifting guy um but now I I swim I dance I climb I run I'm moving pretty much every day of the week now so something's something's a bit different um but at the same time I find that sometimes I'm still stuck and I think okay uh uh that's a break dancer wouldn't do this so you have to

stop or a Jiu-Jitsu guy wouldn't do this so you have to stop so there's more I need to learn I think when it comes to separating my mind from maybe these these disciplines that are in my head M yeah we all have that problem like all of our society is built around these Concepts segregation and uh it's not something that happens over day you have to digest the idea play with it and the freedom little by little it comes about along with kind of accepting the weirdness of it and and just staying playful right and

open and being the closest thing that you can be to to the genuine self you are at that specific moment not being held back by some Notions of who you need to be and what you ought to be Etc does it come down to really being uh highly present is that how you can progress in a movement sense uh maybe it is maybe it's the opposite I don't know I'm not sure anymore you know some of it is some of the stuff that is regarded as um technology for meditation and is been presented as that

by a really people with certain commercial intent is actually in my eyes is an anti technology for meditation okay and can you explain yeah you know I can do a one arm handstand and sell you the idea that I'm present and I'm in that moment where I'm actually thinking of my grow grocery list so if you do something really well um and you can then you can do it on automatic okay Marcelo Garcia can roll with you and just like do whatever and think of whatever so actually that tool became an anti- meditation tool not

a meditation tool so a lot of what we do well is not serving us to be in that moment and so I I think that's why also like to join more movement and Stillness together okay because movement in and of its own H can move you sometimes in the opposite direction because you're too focused on the movement and other things and you're no longer being in your in your head well just the action of doing it well getting better at it means that you need to do it without being present okay it hits as Bruce

Lee said so it is not anymore that that present moment it's more I can be somewhere else you know I can be some Fighters for example whistle or Rhyme or sing or they try to occupy that cognitive side of the brain while they're doing stuff from a more primordial automized portion okay so do you just try to keep yourself on the learning curve in order to avoid you going back into that state where you might be thinking about the groceries exactly okay and so you're CH constantly challenging yourself getting yourself uncomfortable in order to stay

kind of in the moment yeah that Japanese state of mind that word Chosin the beginner mindset being a beginner is a better technology to being present than being really good at what you do okay and and that's also part of the movement thing you're a beginner every week sometimes people are completely baffled by how bad I am in certain things because they see me all the time challenging myself instead of pulling the same old tricks from from the head um they see me challenged again and I aspire to be challenged all the time so I

would I wouldn't look good when I'm doing that so you're not afraid to look like a white belt in your in your Center when you're training no no it's a um yeah the ego takes a huge part there but once you understand that that's also the way to get really good at a lot of things then the ego can also come down so you you bargain with the ego yeah you have to I reckon I was wondering if you could tell me about 25 years ago on a beach just like this about 50 Mi North

where you fell in love with your body H yeah it pretty much started there and I I live I grew up in hia which is a a Beach town it's surrounded it's it's a bay and surrounded by water basically and and I spend a lot of time on the beach you can see it on my face I still do and studied capera and a lot of it was Outdoors a lot of it was happening outside we are pretty Sunny Country there was a Brazilian guy who um arrived here uh pretty he lived here illegally I

think for a long long portion of time and he was a construction worker and uh he used to do Capa back in Brazil and he decided I I I think I'm I'm not sure how things developed and but he decided to start to teach and I uh found my way into his class into this capera class and it all started and so we used to spend a lot of time on the beach moving and that was also a connection to music and Rhythm and that flexibility and acrobatics and fighting so there was so much movement

information in Capa that it was really a great introduction right really an amazing introduction into the into this concept uh still it took me uh almost a decade to realize what it is really cuz at first you thought it was maybe a dance or a martial art or a social event but it's it's it's so much more first I thought it was capera I just gave it the full respect and and he deserves a lot of respect it's a beautiful manifestation cultural movement H musical philosophical Marshal manifestation H and it was so complex and the

history is so thick and the beauty and the language I I just immersed myself into that and um but then some things were left out like I'm I'm an Israeli kid and I'm doing this 500 going on 600y Old braz afro Brazilian martial art and it's martial art but I'm not only a martial artist I'm much more so there was always these things left out I would almost feel bad like listening to Tom weights it wasn't Capa music so it was it was somehow there was something there that was not complete okay and so the

conflict started inside you where you thought maybe I need to be pure capera but I'm I'm interested in this and this is catching my attention over here yeah yeah and I'm and I'm so I'm so radical in my Approach so I just went into it full on but there was always something in me that was yeah that was there challenged even dressing the clothes and and and the language I I speak Portuguese and pretty well spent many years in Brazil friendships and even the philosophy of handling yourself in life uh which capera is a very

kind of street smart thing okay the word malandra to be a maland to be a a street smart and what does that mean it means to to slide and and in between the cracks to find solutions to be to look ahead okay and it has many negative connotations but it also has some positive connotations which are less known in Brazil but inside capoa circles it is more kind of a known researched understood so you go to the bank and you immediately look at the line a little bit different and you zigzag your your way across

it it's also kind of an Israeli thing as well okay it has attached to it and I think this flourished here okay interesting so like similar mentalities but still very different yeah it's still different because on the on the short term malandra the street smart works really well on the individual level on the short term but on a state on a country level it's the thing that destroys Brazil okay in many ways and you see that corruption and and you see those those issues happening on every level on every layer uh and I think here

which is we're not a devoid of corruption um but uh we're less organized on a systematical way in the way that we think in the way that we operate but then on the level of the individual we sometimes operate some flexibilities H which are important as well and when did you start to diverge and when could you look in the mirror and say Ido is no longer a capista it was a process it was a gradual process it didn't happen over a day and it it took a lot of time to let go of it

and more than kind of understand it is to to allow myself to say okay it's not anymore to be honest with myself yeah it's not anymore just H the only thing that I do it's more than that and then it was a gradual process of I'm doing that as well until a certain point uh yeah it was it opened up the vision opened up okay you still do hanging work these days course of course I I do it in the gym now and I just think about you all the time you know ah always good

I'm going to go got room there to hang a little bit and how how often do you prescribe the hanging daily daily and for what kind of a time interval um I would start people with a pretty intense period of time like 30 days where they they are focused on doing some hanging throughout the day five 7 minutes a day total time but they build it up in small sections maybe 30 seconds maybe 20 seconds maybe a minute okay and it's kind of like a cat stretch for us right cuz we're not moving on all

fours so we rarely kind of the modern lifestyle rely compress the body and rarely extend it and this is kind of very nice extension it run through you you let gravity do the alignment for you and what better what better modality to use than gravity we're living with gravity we have a constant relationship with it although many don't realize it and then the other thing the compression is the squat which we've talked about before and just compressing the lower body and just yeah just down here spending time just time and this is what I would

recommend for everyone these two basic things beyond all the tricks and the elastic bends and the foam rollers and the special stretches and this is just basic movement tools basic Humanity yeah and this is these are like brushing your teeth every day you should be doing these I I think so for most people and of course there are exceptions people who there are always certain limitations proportions disabilities but let's say over 90% of people that I see can really benefit from this and do it regularly and should be doing it just like brushing the teeth

okay in the movement experience you had people down for 5 minutes and uh we started hearing the uh oo and A's after a few minutes you know a lot of the big guys had a hard time you know yeah yeah you build you know you have to really think what kind of a what kind of legs do you want to build what kind of legs do you want to have and people just don't realize it and they go into these practices and they build you know big three trunks legs and now they can squat or

deadlift a lot of weight but the basic functionality of their in their daily life have been affected as well I I don't want three trunk legs I want bamboo legs w w w w flexible strong yeah if the wind comes it it bends it but it doesn't break and it can bounce me out it's elastic and uh I think even some of my students H kind of like that and use that term um yeah bamboo legs bamboo just okay flexible strong able to do what you want yeah and if and if they're too strong you

have a problem if they're too flexible you have a problem and if they're not elastic enough you have a problem and it's kind of like developing a just the right just the right way hence the orientation towards more weight like capacity or kilograms or time it's not going to work well to develop your body it's not it's not complex enough to develop a complex system right it's simplistic but that's it's analog and linear yeah it's it's not it's not going to the right it doesn't respect the complexity of your structure of your mind of the

way that we are moving we're not we're not that animal and no animal is actually that animal this we're just we're more complex than that but we we build we build these tools uh you know the the Dunning Krueger curve which is really famous now a lot of people talk about it the Dunning Krueger effect curve in the beginning you know nothing about it and then you just learn a tiny bit about it you think you know everything about it and then you realize you know very little about it and then finally you hit some

upward slope again and you realize it's more complex than you thought before but you know something about it it's most people most people on your program most people on these podcasts most people around they suffer from that condition they think they know everything about it because they've learned some things about it and maybe in another area of Life they know a lot more about but they make the mistake of trying to talk about subjects that they don't understand and I see it daily okay and I think like we should stick to less confusion and I

I try to do that as well I try not to speak too much about things that I'm I'm in the beginning of the curve even though it seems to me like I know everything about it I respect that that understanding and hence I've been avoiding for example for many years now talking about nutrition it's like it wasn't my passion I I know a lot about it in my eyes but I realized that I don't know enough to not contribute to the confusion right okay and you know what works for you but you're not ready to

talk about it because you you haven't hit that fourth part of that curve yes 100% even ethically I wouldn't wouldn't make recommendations for people in on an ethical level how to live life it's I I've I've devoted myself to movement and I can tell you a lot about that and and shed some light about the complexities of that and I don't understand it but I've learned enough to understand how little I know about it um yeah so I think it's important uh somehow to bring that because there is so much there is so much confusion

and we can use these tools London real podcasts and internet uh but we can also abuse them and uh just create a a a stream of information that is unclear and we we're just trying to present opinions but we've we are suffering now from it as well the age of misinformation that that cuz 20 30 years ago you had to you had to search for information now you have to search for for knowledge right and then you really have to search for the right information cuz there's so much disinformation out there yeah wisdom above knowledge

yeah right knowledge is a better better than information information is better than data but wisdom is ultimately where we want to go and and how to make decisions and according to all this prior layers yeah I do this now in a suit when I'm waiting for my breakfast in London and people walk by and they just don't understand I also hang in the in the subway from the thing and it it freaks the English people out yeah I'm sure I do it in Germany and I I I get some weird looks yeah it's good [Music]

stuff and so when in your mind did you stop becoming a capoa guy it wasn't one moment it wasn't an instant and I I don't like to pinpoint things H because it it doesn't happen like that it's a bit it's a bit like our anatomy you you know what a bicep is the biceps no you don't you don't because inside your system there is no moment on a cellular level where you can tell me that's a bicep tissue the muscle and Revels into a tendon the tendon unravels into a bone and it's a cellular Continuum

it's not oh here it's but here it's a muscle here it's a tendon it's more kind of mix and percentages and it slowly flows together hence you have to carve out a piece to know what it is but inside the system it it doesn't exist in isolation and the same with our lives when did you stop being a Capa guy I don't know I'm I'm in many ways I am still capera not just a capera guy I am Capa like I I just I became that I spent so many years talking the talk and walking

the walk and my walk changed and my rhythmical thing changed and my taste for music changed and my and the way that I communicate with with people and with u with sexual partners with everything it's just it was all affected and I don't think I ever stopped um but in many ways I Evol evolved and that core thing just became bigger and changed and I still have a huge love for that culture I still like very much immersed in it and also go back to Brazil I'm next month I'll be in Brazil okay and and

I I owe a huge debt to that movement culture which I think is one of the most diverse interesting stylish talented pools of mover ever and tell me about the subsequent development of movement's culture as we know Ido Portal's movement culture yeah it's it's just you you can't do it alone you have to move inside a culture you you need a culture to move in which is you are starting to you will start to feel it if you don't feel it already very soon just because you're already now practicing in a more open way but

you kind of have to find locations and friends to play with and teachers but then imagine you have a culture to move in Imagine you have a community in you meet regularly and it supports that and you do it together we are social beings and movement it cannot be separated from the structure that occupies it and the cultural context around it so for me that was obvious VI we need a tribe we need a tribe to move in we need H we need support we can do it alone it's not sustainable you can do it

for a short while with certain practices But ultimately it wouldn't serve you on the long term and that just that just hit a light bulb moment with me H because I'm always trying to figure out what it is that you do and what is you're all about and the best example was yesterday I went through Israeli immigration and they're like why are you here I'm here to see Ido portal one of your National Treasures and and and I I said what is he I said he's a movement he's not a specialist not an expert if

I called him a guru he would be looking for me uh And yet when I pulled my phone out and showed him literally 15 seconds of you on YouTube moving they got it not only did they get it they were excited and they wanted to know more about it and they were pulling the other immigration officers in to look at your video um why does this happen it's a like all Paradigm shifts in a way I think it's so simple it's so you know there is the side of people who said like it was always

there of course it was always there we're living in a body of course people were always moving movement was always there and it just needs to be repackaged and people have these negative connotations to the word repackaging well welcome to humanity that's how we do things we need to repackage them in the view of the time that we live in and the Modas the the Fashions yeah and the communication tools like the internet and that was just necessary obviously or else it didn't it wouldn't go so big I I don't have anything really special besides

I I was in a good timing I was very lucky to be in a good timing realizing something that many others subsequently realized and that just took off that that's that movement thing that that movement culture thing and um yeah I think it was always there and it will always be here and it will probably need to be repacked catched again in 200 300 years um but it was necessary and it happened and that's why uh that's why it made that ripple effect right and the definition of a paradigm shift is that afterwards it looks

obvious to everyone exactly right that's that's the most common reaction that I get from people and they always say it you're saying things that I always knew and and it's exactly right that's the kind of eye opening moment that you want to have I I don't have any new insights there is nothing new Under the Sun I don't it's not inherently different it's not new it's just I spin the perspective I I turn them to look at it from a different a different perspective and then it it just happens it just it happens the this

concept of the contents and the container I'm still trying to get my head around it but maybe it's a way that people can understand the difference between gymnastics and fighting and dancing and running in CrossFit versus movement can you explain it and is is that the way that people can understand movement culture a little bit better yeah what what I do I'm not interested anymore in being a a good acrobat or a good dancer or a good fighter and people constantly kind of try to put me in those uh under these titles they're completely wrong

first I'm not good at them I never said I was second I'm not even interested H I'm interested in the content inside these disciplines in the ideas the principles the master keys that reside inside which are Universal Everlasting Immortal movement principles with the body maybe not Immortal because maybe we evolve still so maybe it would change but right now with this Anatomy physique this neural networks the way that our mind works and it's it's pretty long lasting um so what happens is people think of themselves I'm the gymnast I'm the fighter I'm this I'm that

and and they they look at things that I do and they said this wouldn't help me in this discipline this wouldn't who cares I'm not I'm not trying to go for that I'm trying to get the Liquid from inside the orange and this is the idea I give you an orange the disciplinary approach is you take that orange put it in your suitcase travel back home go back put it on your shelf you hold that orange forever guess what's going to happen it's going to rotten and you never used it instead what you're supposed to

do peel the orange eat it throw the peel away the container is not to be confused with the content the movement person would take what he needs from gymnastics from fighting from dance but he would not confuse those reps those those containers for the content inside what is the content it's a human content its movement its ideas its symbols it's developing yourself through those things all the big Masters realized it towards the some of them towards their last days what names come to mind Bruce Lee yeah yeah Bruce Le all the karatas they all speak

the same because they realize it's about to get finished it's rottening away the container is gone I gave you a cup of water you took the cup with the water put it in the suitcase you chew on the cup instead of drinking the water throw away the cup so the focus should be replaced there which brings us to another very important thing success is not a good orientation it's not a good orientation it's it's it's a filthy word it's a nauseating word I hear it a lot success how did you become successful how how to

succeed books on how to succeed podcasts on how to succeed success is an empty thing it's it's misleading it will leave you empty because it's simply a container of growth awareness and understanding that you need to get and it it happens um with success often but often not right because the focus was misplaced so when I think of successful movers these are the names that come to mind Ronaldo LeBron Usain Bolt Federer right most people would agree these are multi-million dollar successes yeah well they are not much of movers they are great Specialists they are

great soccer players and basketball players that's the difference where the umbrella is very small and they can play very well that specific game take them outside of that game look what happened to Michael Jordan once he went to baseball yeah it's the illusion burst and not that I'm saying that anyone can do that that's not important that's a wrong orientation the orientation should be to learn something about this body this mind the nature of our awareness through those tools but it does not mean you don't do them very intensely so I I practice like a

madman but with complete Detachment of the result okay I practice full on I I'm I'm fully obsessed with what I do but in the end of the day it's about being a Craftman and not being the success story okay sit down and do your [ __ ] work brush the brush the instruments and and you don't do it with an orientation of like that's going to be my most successful piece you know I'm going to sell this you're just a Craftsman you enjoy that process it's very different but also very similar from outside when viewed

from outside so you're very careful to look at success and not be seduced by it yeah I I can say that uh I'm I'm I'm not proud of myself for many things but one thing that I am proud of myself and not really of myself but more in my education my background ER is that I wasn't I wasn't moved by that I had many opportunities to be pulled by those waves of success and money and but I I something in me just didn't think it was fun and I I I say it's not a I

didn't H make a hard decision and said no it just didn't look fun it looked like a prison and I I still don't understand how uh rich people continue in that game once you pass the point of a position of [ __ ] you as they say yeah that's all you need really and uh afterwards it it means nothing and I reached that point a long time ago and I uh yeah it just the game was different a lot of people will say uh yeah EO I I already have my fitness routine I go to

the gym for the hour I do my weights I do that and then I go on with the rest of my life I'm already a mover is that logic flawed no no it's a you are you are a mover and you are moving hence you are moving and you are you're enjoying certain routines and there is nothing but respect towards that and you can be happy baking bread you can be fulfilled doing anything in this life but the problem starts once H ignorance is no longer there and the Bliss is not present and once you

jump to the next layer there is no coming back and that's what happened to me and that's what I'm trying to help people with and educate people with but I realize that you can you can lift weights and and and be fulfilled and you know use that as your Mastery Program self-mastery an awareness tool Etc everything will be lost as complex and as beautiful as a uh these practices are these deeper practices are more complex practices they also will be lost in a moment um so I I have nothing but respect to it but like

I said there is no turning back and I have to work with where I got as I develop as I climbed the leather of memes and understandings and as I became empty again by things that made me happy a decade ago what are some of those things Capa right and yeah acrobatics dance and uh yeah a lot of things a lot of these kind of rep and disciplines they're not Ido they're not a Brian they have been made as kind of a templates but they they cannot really hit what you need specifically we need a

more flexible tailor suit and uh and that's why for me it was about learning my physicality your physicality his physicality and creating a tool that is flexible enough to operate with that there are many similarities and we cannot jump there from the beginner level that's another common misconception where creative tools are being empowered upon beginners which end up being total wankery example many different teachers and people in disciplines and outside of disciplines who try to empower their student students with open creative tools but these tools are too advanced for that level so I tell someone

just move just move all you need to do is just move and he would just be repeating same patterns without an ability to jump forward we have Collective knowledge we are the collective knowledge beings we've been collecting information and knowledge for many many generations uh and we need to use that to reach a certain level where now we can add Upon Our Own creation Bruce Lee said it very well and he repackaged the philosophy that was known from before absorb what is useful disregard what is useless and add what is uniquely yours but many people

fall into only one of these things okay they either absorb what is useful hence they go to Collective knowledge teach me BJJ teach me the techniques that all that I do they don't they disregard what is useless that that is the next level where they say this doesn't work for me even though it's inside Collective knowledge and it worked for some people for me it doesn't work and then there are the people who are adding what is uniquely theirs but you cannot start from adding what is Uniquely Yours to something that you don't have yet

if you want to be really in a creative mode I take you into a forest I take a baby into a forest and I let him grow from nothing he would merely develop maybe maybe not even Stone Age tools even in this lifetime so we've we've we're not there right we're not there so to empower people to just move that's great but it should happen in the right level where're Collective knowledge and self- knowledge are joined for me that's important right not too much of one or the other yes because without the collective you'll make

stone age tools with only the collective you'll just repeat after everyone and and you don't find yourself right okay okay can you explain this meme ladder because I'm uh I it's an interesting point but for people that don't understand what is the meme lad uh we are symbol collectors basically and how did as a as a boy as a as a child how did you H learn the word chair for example chair was an object that was shown to you but you also had to make other connections it's made of wood what is wood wood

comes from tree what is tree tree is a plant what is a plant plant grows what is to grow grow small to big what is small to big small to big yes snow we got to the most basic 01 okay so that's a lettera of memes and ideas that's the invisible Loop that we are as hofstatter calls it it's it's a it's a a complexity jump and uh in the in our physicality we've made many such jumps where first we were just moving and then we started to develop all these specialty tools and this is

martial arts and this is dance and this is and then started to create hybrid hybrids like contact improvisation which was W what is it or CAPA before that right what is cap is it a dance is it a fight is it a tactical game is it music is and then people can w w w what is that what is that and they have to jump to the next level and you you jump to the next level through struggle hence when that security guard asks you what is movement you have to tell him welcome to the

struggle to the challenge now he has to go through getting beat up by the idea and climbing and clawing his way many people wouldn't make it the other side he's breaking down things in his brain that he had assumed to be true now you get the bad news they're not true break well I wouldn't say it like this only you have to break up some things but you have to also build up some things okay and it's not just about truth it's about it's about the perspective on truth they're all true in a way and

they're all false it's it's not better it's just different and it's more it's more complex you are shedding light on areas which were in the shades before hence you progressed in the perspective okay all right why is it that as humans we don't have a a user manual to tell us these things and what to do and would be we'd be better off if we had something like this I think that's part of the evolution evolutionary process figure it out figure it out because by figuring it out you grow it's like how does this work

oh like like as a child like right like you you learned how to you learned how to walk you figured it out you know who taught you how to walk not your parents nobody teaches his child how to walk that's not true that's not honest you learned how to walk it can only be learned and figured out and that's the beauty of the struggle yeah that's a very kind of Albert Kami the cus approach the struggle pushing that rock up the mountain is enough to fill our hearts that's the nature of being alive evolving increasing

awareness enjoying this reality that nobody [ __ ] knows what it is so I think it's a good thing that we have to struggle and once we eliminate the struggle great emptiness hits and it happens on a on a micro level for us all the time reaching goal yeah it's a very emptying moment yeah yeah I uh I have a 10-month old boy and I think I told you he's crawling now and he's about to walk and you said to me you said Brian he's closer to the source than you are and is that what

you mean yeah yeah he he's first he's operating tools that are superior to yours in many ways tools of intuition tools of connection without yet ter minology and language taming the process imagine how do you figure movement out these days you're all [ __ ] up you're trying to figure out how your hips move in some break dancing move or some other sequence in BJJ by thinking more external rotation more inter and that doesn't work well that that that same language is kind of betraying me cuz I I have to go through that layer of

translation as opposed to feeling it yes you your intuition is on a very low level you cannot make associations very easily as that that boy he's closer to the source he is he's like the the cat that we're so impressed with and a cat is not even that you know there are more closer animals to that Source it's a domesticated animal and so figuring it out happens much easier using those tools because what you can do with your mind is beautiful we've constructed this reality this technology but movement Wise It's a poor tool and it

can only serve you as the admiral of the ship but the actual sailing will be done by the rowers and that's those are much more primordial Primal tools into ition sensation emotion emotion and that connection H children have it animals have it much better than us okay cuz the Mind hasn't gotten in the way language didn't get in the way the mind is not there yet you know hindering the process fears are not categorized yet as fears okay and and they we don't get blocked so is part of what you teach removing the mind uh

I cannot really teach it but it's something that I try to facilitate it's something that I try to facilitate for the people around and I hint of that direction and I try to install certain tools and certain uh I leave some breadcrumbs in hopes that people would take the right path but it's not it's not up to me and I cannot control that don't think of a pink elephant that's the problem you cannot teach it okay you cannot teach undoing you have to learn it I want to ask you about the Mind Body Connection and

if it's something that you think about that you try to teach and for me it feels like as a human race we're all going we're going this way we're all going up into our heads and it feels like even with the internet and Technology it's it's more about what our brains tell us to do and less about what we're feeling inside our body and just wanted to get what you think about that and is this also what movement culture is about it's a [ __ ] term Mind Body Connection they are connected you cannot teach

it you cannot affect it it's there it's there is no disconnect so how can I teach a connect it's it's very similar to the term this bull another [ __ ] term mindfulness the problem is that the mind is full we try to empty it I don't want to teach you mindfulness I want to teach you mindlessness so sometimes I think like we don't really think about these terms that are handed to us and we just accept them and continue to contribute to the confusion um so I'm I'm not teaching any Mind Body Connection it's

already connected you cannot separate it and the mind alone cannot exist we we we've tried there needs to be a body support but I'm I'm teaching um body practices that also affect the mind and I teach mind practices that also affect the body and uh practicing is a holistic system and respecting it all and this separation in people's heads in their philosophy this created limitations and problems Etc ER so voice breath movement thinking all should be joined together and more into action into movement that's that's something that I try to bring together so sometimes my

students will be asked to sing in specific uh conditions and cases or to Vo aliz actions or a certain work with the breath and all in Pro of action but everything is already connected it's just what do you do with that connection and talk to me about Randomness do you try to throw Randomness into your students lives in into your life and how much of that is part of of movement culture yeah it's a big part uh there is a lot of H tools of chaos what we call tools of chaos uh we we are

living in a random thing we're living in a chaotic scenario we don't have control over it and by trying to take hold of it too tightly uh we completely miss the mark and are unable to operate in this chaotic environment so we're definitely uh inserting that into the practice so people get used to it learn to operate with it and uh not get deluded into thinking they are in control nobody's in control so the dosages three sets of 10 reps they can work in certain cases in certain scenarios but H there is a need of

a more well embracing tool it's kind of like hering concept to her The Cloud of movement because if you try to hug it it disappears and it's gone so you have to kind of treat it with a more General gentle wide Tool uh to make some sense some sense of it because you can H and manipulate smoke but tweezers are not a good tool for that and that's a common mistake uh in movement people try to kind of own own that totally and and what what they're left with is nothing no movement just a routine

just a routine repetition of the same actions container and not the content and I I do this break dancing move again and again and again and again and it gets better guess what it doesn't have anything to teach me anymore but I I I'm I'm seduced by the success of it by the reactions by The Sensation that I get performing something well until I would hit the wall and would crash and everything would look empty again and I don't care for that move anymore so instead of going through that struggle and crashing into the wall

I try to circumvent the problem and realize don't get addicted to it don't operate by what you like so much it doesn't have to be fun to be fun is a good quote I like from markk twight mountaineering guy yeah it's not what does he mean by that it means that you shouldn't operate just by what you found what you find pleasurable successful in it doesn't have to be fun to be fun you you can suck at something badly and it has the most to teach you the most growth to give you and it should

be the most fun but you have to first disengage from the success orientation and become the craft to see that you once told me I don't plan I react is that what this is a bit about definitely part of it yeah was like okay we plan to walk across this beach but now there is an obstacle I like I react to that obstacle but if I'm too held tight by that plan I now I am lost I hit an obstacle we have to restart instead of Simply maybe moving around maybe changing the path maybe becoming

more flexible um and this is something that I I try to do with myself to wake up every day and prepare myself for betrayal loss emptiness depression prepare myself for that it's it's inevitable it's a very uh aurelus Marcus aurelus orientation if you prepare yourself it's not then it's not so bad you're flexible you can work with it but it's something that people pray that would never happen and they are they block it out of their mind until the moment it happens and then it's too late that's almost this concept of being fragile and antifragile

and almost kind of preparing your body and your mind for things that you don't see coming almost definitely yeah the work of Nasim Talib affected a lot of my my thinking and I think he's a once in a lifetime thinker this generation and the way that he thinks and talks of things made me abandon a lot of my old terminologies that were pointing in this direction because I realized he's so much better at it so I just embraced his terminology and thinking process and and this anti fragility is a is a big one can you

explain how the concept of antifragile applies to your work and even your life yes so you have to prepare for that Black Swan as we said we have we have to prepare for the moment of er crack injury loss betrayal as we said all these severe bad events negative events they are not a possibility they are a certainty they arrive they will arrive again when will you get injured the next time maybe tomorrow who knows what can happen who will you lose in this life everyone what is a certainty from the moment you're born you're

born into the grave you know this drawing this buddhistic Buddhist drawing the woman giving birth to the baby into the grave we are born into the grave we know where we're going so what is going on how what are we blocking here it's in front of our eyes it's a certainty people are dying in our lives around us we are going to die and there is a certain acceptance and working within that and and getting used to it and it's training you have to train yourself to change the way that you approach it and how

you think of it and how you deal with it and antifragility is in a way to accept that and make yourself a little bit more robust and prepared and getting stronger and stronger every time you hit such an event and you survive it you should be getting stronger by it uh not get destroyed and sent back by it so for example if I get an injury it's an opportunity for growth I immediately go into active mode I research it and I develop that part and that peace that it would never happen again versus I rest

I wait for Recovery to happened to me I get stronger I anti fragilized myself next time that area whether it was everywhere would be better off I would be able to deal with it on a knowledge level on the robustness of the articulation in the neural Pathways the motor program is more developed that I can protect myself Etc yeah that also brings up your relationship with pain because that injury might equal this word called pain the four-letter word how do we understand that relationship and know when pain is the time to stop or the pain

is the time to adapt yeah the people in the beginning of the curve the Danning Krueger curve H think that uh they know what pain is now we realize we don't know we don't know it's a very complex phenomenon people used to say pain is showing you don't go here it's a stimul it's it's a signal it's an input to show [ __ ] total overs simplistic completely wrong pain is inevitable many times it points you in the right direction for example pain in training certain injuries to resolve them we know nowadays you have to

push through pain for example you had a knee surgery an ACL reconstruction and afterwards in your physiotherapy the physiotherapist is going to push you through a lot of pain to recover it and if he if he shies away oh it's painful I'm going to stop you're not going to rec you're going to get limited range of motion calcifications adhesions problems so that relationship should be a a Revisited pain is not as simple as we thought before we have to understand it play with it dance with it we have to start to put Shades inside the

monochromatic point of view and it takes time to know that and only you can do it with your pains hence again I cannot teach you I can you can just learn it I can give you some pointer some ideas and then you have to go through the process of dancing with your own pain to realize is this really escalating me or is this moving me in the right direction H is this pain total is a ghost is this a totally bogus thing is a phantom phenomenon it happens in our nervous system people have pains in

limbs that don't exist anymore so what does that say how do I work with that it's a big it's a big subject yeah one of the things you do is you bring all sorts of different people and you put them in the same room and you'll put a dancer in with a fighter with uh maybe a crossfitter and you get them talking to each other and so there's kind of a higher level almost like a unification level of what you're doing do you do you think about that much or can you explain that and did

that just happen without an intention uh a lot of a lot of Specialists a lot of people with uh certain movement specialities um gravitated towards the work they still do yeah NBA players NFL players UFC C Fighters MLB players um contemporary dancers in the best troops in the world cir the solle people um yeah etc etc etc and they just saw something in that idea in that movement idea and they came in came in to take but then I made them give so much because they have so much indepth microscopic and telescopic um Insight that

can benefit a lot of people contempor let's say a classical dancer can can tell you a lot about a preparing and working on your uh on your ankles ER it's something that is is well understood well researched there so that's that that cross cross communication is another big plus of the movement culture is to bring everyone say we're more similar than different let's share let's exchange let's see who is really thinking about these things and and can offer some good tools for another your big annual Gathering is happening in a few weeks in Thailand where

you're going to put probably hundreds of these people in the same room what's what's going to happen there you know if if I was an outsider and I walked in what are the things I want I'm going to see and then why do you do it uh I do it to give the community a place of meeting um to share some insight from research to be together and to move together back to the culture there's no movement practice without a social practice yes okay and um and what happens there is a beautiful cross exchange actually

I say that it happens on two levels there is the learning from the teachers and but this is great and we try to bring very interesting points of views and and present them in a very um digestible way but then there is also the cross Communication in between the group itself which is beautiful in and of its own and uh just a lot of a lot of passion and people staying up to Small hours of the night and exchanging moving together still practicing by the pool side and going into the rooms and doing things and

just crazy crazy insight and Mobility Crazy Wisdom and you bringing lectures in as well there is lectures every year yeah this year the um there is a lecture by a dancer and named the Rasmus who's a great thinker of movement um and and a few years ago sent me his H thesis his PhD thesis and I was very impressed and I I asked him to come and reflect upon the movement practice he's also a practitioner which is very important for me I always bring practitioners as well whose ideas are out there right now that you're

being drawn towards we obviously talked about Nim and his work with antifragile and Black Swan but what are some of the ideas that are bouncing around idido's head right now when it comes to philosophies or mindsets or or even new movement patterns that are exciting you yeah hm a lot of things dosm stoicism mentioned Marcus aurelus earlier and the stoics what do most people not understand correctly about the stoics in your mind yeah I I think it I think it's a it's well understood but maybe not applied very well people are very inspired by the

idea but I'm not sure it's going beyond that into the Practical level and it's again it's something that takes a lot of practice it's hardcore practice you you need to put yourself into it it's not a you're not going to read a book and it's going to happen for you and most people just read that book and leave it at that because you're you're waking up every morning and putting yourself in a painful environment which is to accept the fact that these things might happen to you to make peace with them yeah you you just

have to you have to bring the word practice into your life practice are you practicing that people read but they they don't practice they don't have a practice this is a huge part of what we're trying to teach we said the word movement culture movement happening in a cultural perspective but one of the other very important terms is a movement practice a human practice movement is life on a cellular level on a philosophical level there is movement there is life hello there there is life here no movement no life so it's a human practice most

people don't have a practice they don't know this word some people have a martial art practice or a dancing practice but they don't have a human practice where they unify all that they do not on a movement level not in another level relationships health physical emotional sensory so um I really believe in that word and I try to bring everything under that perspective there is something beautiful in stoicism great bring it into practice how do we do that start to manufacture tools to address that to take it to make it your own I think it

was your mother who was a daoist and a Buddhist and who probably injected your brain with a lot of these thoughts but I think you told me once that when you were younger wasn't obvious how to process them is this some of of her thinking bubbling into the surface yeah yeah she definitely affected me in many many ways and one of the most influential people on me in in her very soft and non-assuming way um and she's still practicing a Buddhism and H she works with narrative therapy and its connection to Buddhism what is narrative

therapy The Narrative is uh in the center of it of course the narrative is the story the story that you tell yourself the brine Brian is a story if you if you take it down into the most tiny bits Brian doesn't exist is a collection of stories hence what really happened to you is not as powerful as what you tell yourself happen to you and old school Psychotherapy Freudian was dealing a lot with that what really what happened there let's dig into it it's not as powerful as the stories that you tell yourself narrative therapy

focuses on that and I love that and I also work a lot with narratives H with the stories I'm a Storyteller um I I love the power of stories I think it's I think think it's a very potent excess that seems as if it's the back door but maybe it's the entry and the front door yeah I think you told me your your mother once did something called the last year of your life which was a process where yeah she was part of a course H um called the last year of H last year of

my life and a lot of people with terminal illnesses are doing that course and also some thinkers therapists and um yeah just people from all kinds of walks of life and it is about uh that appreciation that meditating upon death that realization that of the temporary it's all it's all temporary um I I think it was a very powerful experience for her and affected her in in many ways and she shared with me some of that and throughout the years is that something that that you still try to do is meditate on your death every

day yeah yeah it's uh like I said it's the it's it's the it's the elephant in the room it's the it's all it's there it's there we we can drag ourselves out of seeing it we can we can hype ourselves up we can U you know we can go into the water and uh forget about it and we can occupy ourselves in The Skys scrapers and but it's there it's a it's always in the background it's coming for you it's something that will uh you will meet I think it's a we've developed a relationship that

is very flawed with it where we ignore it and we try to pre compress it and shy it away and by the time it meets you it can happen in moments it can really destroy you because of it instead of developing a healthier relationship with that and it's a bit like a fight let's say it's inevitable you live in a culture and in a time where a fight is inevitable but you don't prepare for it you just kind of try not to think of it and by the time it will happen you'll have a major

issue instead of developing a healthier relationship with the fight protecting yourself experiencing some of it to certain extent playing with that uh I think it's valuable it's one of the phrase that you uh always talked about that I think your mother said and that is empty your cup what does that mean it's a it's a very common phrase I think um you want to receive content first understand content have to be care carried by a carrier a container I cannot deliver water to you I need my hands I need a cup I need something I

need a container okay that's the nature of all beautiful things love life movement they have to be carried by a container the container might be a poem might be a movement ridle might be a discipline it has many different shapes and sizes uh okay so how do you carry it empty the container that you have that you possess fill it with the content deliver it into you digest it make it into your cells it becomes you it's not enough to carry the water around you have to drink it and it becomes you then you don't

need the container anymore that's what we said before don't get obsessed with the container it's just to deliver but you need a container people demonize techniques for example no they are essential techniques are containers of knowledge so that's the idea if if you think of a a future world of movements what is what does progress look like to you uh I don't know I don't presume to know it's a it's too unpredictable it's too chaotic and it depends on on the community on on this culture on the on the world and where it will take

it and what it will do with it and what will be the needs in people's lives and I I'm I'm not here to dictate that and hence I'm not so planning but I'm reacting to what is needed as well and what I need and yeah so I think it's it's going to happen naturally as everything will settle down and uh maybe there would be a need of a specific tools of Health inside it maybe it will need specific tools of education for childr for example maybe we will need tools for the older people maybe we

will need tools for increasing physical intelligence maybe we will need tools for uh solving H problems that will arise in the environment I don't know right now I'm more reacting and trying to address the needs my needs my selfish needs and the needs of others around me um people of different ages of different capacities need different things are you optimistic uh I'm a realistic you know the you know the the joke the the The Optimist sees the cup half full the pessimist the cup half empty and the realist he sees that the cup is twice

the size that it needs to [Music] be so on my flight over here they gave me a pillow and they gave me a blanket and it was just about the right temperature I had water a little bit of food I was extremely comfortable and uh I'm curious what you think about killing people with comfort and are we are we a little bit too protected now as humans uh yeah of course yeah it's a it's a common issue it's a common problem we've taken the road of H satisfaction protection ER safety um pleasure Comfort to ridiculous

level and now we meet the other side of it already and I think we had to hit that wall to kind of go back to towards a more Center piece hence you see also people going through some grueling [ __ ] H putting themselves through some grueling stuff as well like CrossFit training Ah that's a reaction to going the other way too far yeah I think I think it is I think that appreciation is um has hit us in a way and people running marathons and going through some really intense stuff but not because of

they grew up in some tough neighborhood and they they became boxers people like George St Pierre and choosing that life because it makes them feel alive it makes them more balanced evolve discover yeah and that's a reaction to us being too comfortable I think it is because these people had a need they felt a need of something else in their lives and comfort was not serving that in my life it was the same this Comfort was not hitting the Mark I wasn't happy when I'm aiming for maximal Comfort safety and pleasure I become empty depressed

in pain so I when there is not enough of it I also have a problem each one has to find his own balance within that right and you think we're going back the other way way as as a society are we still getting to this Ultra Comfort uh too much food no movement if necessary it's it's overs simplistic Society is not driving in One Direction now it's scattered and there are many vectors some people are going there some people are going there some people are going there H because there are so many ideas so many

ways of life so much knowledge Beyond many many lifetimes and it gets B bigger and bigger and now we are moving in all different directions and I think this is a major problem with all kinds of optimistic and pessimistic points of view of humanity that they assume we're moving in that direction in this direction no we're moving in all directions and the mess will dictate sometimes the planetary environmental effects so while H in Europe you have to pay a lot of money to get a plastic bag in the supermarket in China they would bum you

with endless plastic bags and there are many different ways of life and levels of consciousness and ideas it's not it's not that easy one of your famous phrases is people are not made of sugar and maybe it's even an Israeli mentality of toughen up a little bit do you think the world needs a little more of that in certain areas yes in other areas it needs to toughen less such as Africa okay and yeah some people growing in some gruesome stuff kids going through hell and yeah people barely making it so they don't need to

toughen up more they they need some comfort basic hygiene conditions but uh definit definitely in the west we need some some toughening up and uh since the message usually in our mediums hits a western culture more that was my orientation to offer people the advice there's a phrase in America now it's called a trigger warning and I think it was started in universities when when students would go to learn about something they had to be warned that the information might trigger an emotional response um is this a made of sugar side of the Spectrum in

your opinion with certain things yeah okay uh yeah we are alarmed we are over sensitive and over alarmed by certain things and that fear creates its own problem and pains and issues around it sometimes more than the actual condition fear is an extremely powerful thing in our lives it's one of the most Primal basic inputs H that we use but it took over our lives because we come from an environment with many dangers and risks and it was a very potent protective tool but now it became a hindrance uh I think happiness is not a

good orientation but fearlessness is a much more powerful thing to get rid of some fear you you will you will never be Fearless but the orientation might be good for us nowadays less fear and more yeah more awareness of how do I perceive things I Am The Seer I am the sin and I'm the sin everything we are creating this environment by how we see it and the narrative that we make of it so our fears are a major major already digestion of what we see and that becomes the scene that affects the reality of

the virtual as slav oiz calls it I love it the reality of the virtual is more powerful than reality it's a virtual thing your fears you're afraid of this you're afraid of that but that becomes the reality it's more powerful than the actual reality and it becomes actual reality who is this gentleman over here who seems to be enjoying himself and maybe doing a little bit of movement that's inspired by a Ben gon the very legendary prime minister of Israel who um the story tells he was a student of a Moshe felden Christ who created

the felden Christ method and um he there is a very famous photo of him practicing headstands which he used to practice as part of his movement practice H back in the day so they turned it into a small funny Statue and uh yeah I think there was a lot of movement Happening Here by a lot of different figures whether it's KRA Maga founder imfeld and Moshe felden Christ and other is Israeli thinkers and and movers um yeah who were doing it back when I was an each in my Daddy's pants not even why why and

why movers like that in Israel is it is the climate was it new ideas new ways of thinking new people major part of it is survive surviving the horrors of Europe 80 years ago and major part of it is the the climate that is supportive of more movement definitely colder countries less movement um a lot of influences from Europe from a from North Africa from various immigrants meeting here together in this sunny place and uh sharing some of their culture and habits and a need to protect ourselves a small country surrounded by enemies all these

needs all these uh parameters I think brought together something and and some movement as well it brought the need for movement for uh whether it's self-defense whether it's a dealing dealing with drying the swamps in the North of Israel no water supply no real good water supply here we always suffer from that and constant threats Terror Wars um and then also people's bodies which come from different climates and arrived here with a certain gin pool and they have problems health issues and joints and pains and aches and all this is contributing something so it's a

country of immigrants it's a it's a crucible of cultures and when you grew up you had a massive influx of Russian immigrants and so you you got a whole new set of movers into your life when you were younger right was definitely a major affecting force on me 1991 one um the Iron Curtain fell and we received 1 million immigrants from a the Soviet Union countries and they arrived and we were at school and boom they all of a sudden these weird kids dressed weird H looking different and they come and we I was very

much intrigued and became close friends with ER and then they had this move movement culture that they brought very very rich movement culture one of the most inspiring indepth developed movement cultures I believe in the world so I'm very much inspired by the Brazilian by the Chinese and by the Russians and there are other countries I love the ties for example their movement culture but these are very rich rich movement culture countries and they brought in they brought in boxing and fencing and ballroom dancing and all this stuff and they had a lot of methodology

and science behind it and that gave me that orientation as well that scientific point of view and I'm still very much inspired by it I keep thinking of uh young Ido growing up somewhere where he didn't have the beach he didn't have capera he didn't have a million Russian immigrants coming into a country of 5 million who might have just been given a surf board somewhere uh I mean you wouldn't be you now H probably not probably not uh not me but probably also some creative forces uh would found a way through different cracks to

reach similar States okay somehow somehow reaching the same place different but somehow the same uh because because I shouldn't have gotten where I got in terms of thinking and evolving H if you look at my colleagues friends and they they stayed within that and they they did not uh realize uh there was a bigger umbrella around that specific concept they realized other things that I did not realize it's not better or worse but something in me was crying for that and H I'm very different to my family and always my nobody's clear where it comes

from that that that orientation so maybe it stinks out of my DNA maybe it's something that is really um come from inside I'm not sure I'm not much of a practitioner I said it before I always say it I'm not a very gifted practitioner people see me move and say wow but relating that to the amount of practice I put into it everybody would do it or many people would do it I'm maybe I'm not a terrible practitioner but I'm not a very good practitioner if I look at my culture most of my students are

above and beyond in where they start and how they quickly they developed uh but I am H I have I'm not I'm not a I'm not a very um intelligent on a level of you know that kind of a level I have some creative Outlet I have some thinking processes I have some movement and and and body knowledge and all together all these small quantities it comes together came together to H doing it thinking about it sharing it um but when I take it down to the small dosages it's not much so maybe there was

something unifying that that is a bigger maybe it's environmental I'm not sure I asked myself this question many times if I grew up in Hawaii with a board maybe maybe I wouldn't reach it I don't know maybe I would seems to me you always ask the question why seems like you keep asking that to yourself and whereas a lot of people would be satisfied with a capera practice or even a movement practice you seem to be constantly tearing your house down and trying to build it up and then tearing it down again so it seems

like you're always trying to find how that relates to something else or something bigger is that that's that's a very important trick to do I'll tell you what it is it's not what many many time people say by jumping to the next layer I confuse myself until I lose track all together of one location meaning and gospel by by always relating to a different layer I'm able to live it's the invisible Loop I'm it a it is able to sustain me I am fulfilled I am challenged but I am hitting the mark and challenged again

and this is very important and I think a lot of people like they hit the end mark they set a goal they reach it is wrong goal to set not a good goal to set it's because now you're going to have to restart the whole thing and now yeah maybe maybe you already start to understand that you're going to hit that new goal as well so now you have a bigger problem instead of that I oriented myself always to confusion to confuse myself yeah not others confuse myself and by jumping to different layers levels and

uh increasing in complexity one more time but eventually also coming back down to the start of the loop so it's not just increasing in complexity but in a way the increasing complexity also eventually goes back down to the simplest matter and again and again and again yeah and you do this physically and mentally exactly yeah philosophically physically the ideas and what is the meaning of this yin and yang the real meaning of it is to place the Opposites together we kind of know it but again it doesn't hit us you're you're doing strength training why

don't you place next to it the contradictory practice softness training no we don't do it you do break dancing but why don't you surround it with a contradictory or completing depending on how you want to look at it practice so again we didn't really make those ideas ours doing that is is endless and it's very balanced but we have an addictive state of mind and we go into this H pratic practice mode blind until we hit the wall I've I've hit it so many times my butt hurts and I I just uh try to do

it in a smarter way every time so I'm less going towards that direction even with current projects I'm not in a rush to fulfill them succeed in them because I know it's not the deal it's not the real thing someone say it's about the journey that's yours and it's powerful and know again like people hear it and it's important to actually embody that and yeah do that and revisit that and and and say it and fake it until you make it because because that's the way to get there it's like all you need to do

is to believe in it it does it doesn't need to feel right fake it until you make it it will be it will be yours is this one of the reasons you constantly move yourself as well different countries different cities different projects um that that was more of a practical thing to share and what pulled me it pulled me out and I wanted to see the world and it was important for me to have a glimpse of the world because what do you really know about movement culture before you visited the culture right all cultures

and different movement cultures and different experiences and different possibilities but then uh it's it's also a trap can also be a trap where the no routine becomes routine so now at times I'm uh yeah I'm trying to find more stability to challenge myself with stability right okay right and what can uh what can I expect to to do with you these next few days yeah we we'll do some movement uh movement sessions practice and bits and we will uh use all kinds of containers playful tools and and games and and tasks challenges kinetic coens and

riddles U hardcore repetitive cyclic collections uh dance oriented or martially oriented or more object manipulatory and we we'll just play around with some things and I'll I'll show you the type of practice that we go through um and we take our students through and uh we educate people with and the actual content of it is of no significant value the the the actual appearance of it hence it it can be handstands it used to be people stuck got stuck on that and this weekend we won't be doing handstand for example or it can be gymnastics

rings or the next day it can be a rope or the next day it can be um a stick that's not really important the important bit is the journey the content inside of that and we will try to focus on that by destroying and changing the tools all the time until you get a more General sensation and that's the major problem where many people who try to practice movement with good intention they don't practice movement they practice some movements and they get addicted to their success and the tools that they use Etc they can't really

move well I'm I'm I'm baffled by it again and again the movement culture became a tricking culture in many places and then inside there is an island of the movement culture of practitioners um teachers people ER who are practicing really the essence and not so much gravitating towards specific orientations and skills because that's how you're going to get really better you have to isolate yourself to those tools but if you're not interested in getting better who cares so stop with the goals stop trying to get the 10 Ring muscle ups and focus on the big

picture of embracing the movement that goal is important on the short term because it has to give you that Focus get that 10 Ring muscle ups but then okay what's that oh [ __ ] it's an empty moment I got it what do I do now maintain it okay how long is that going to last so that is important for you to get then change perspective and go with it again and don't even Orient yourself towards you know the dependency of getting that but just practice use that potential to practice yourself your strength your emotional

capacity [ __ ] I cannot make it I break down I build myself up I'm I'm developing emotionally I'm developing around me in a culture I practice together so we we develop culturally and socially I develop my physicality my muscles are affected my tendons my uh neural networks that's the important bit but then bring yourself back to the simplest goals they are important they Orient you and they move you forward I use them on a short term but not on a long term I don't mistake in them for longterm goals so be be present enjoy

the process enjoy the struggle have the goals don't get obsessed with those goals and then change them around regularly so you can get to your true destination which is the journey so there is no destination it's the actual journey and it Cycles you back in and that's what you do you do break dancing that's great Go full with it with the passion build it up get your windmills another turn 20 turns 21 turns 20 Etc but then also learn to let go of it okay I had a nice Journey here now I'm going to switch

gears I'm going to go to towards this direction because it's the same practice you're still practicing it's not like oh yeah I stopped practicing windmills and now it went to [ __ ] I used to do 22 now I can only do six yeah it will happen and who [ __ ] cares because you're still practicing the bigger thing the more important thing H which is your Humanity your physicality your movement capacities so some things will degrade on a short term but the bigger lessons will continue to evolve okay constantly giving ourselves riddles and forcing

ourselves to re-examine and re-examine and yes and that's the process yes and it's hard to do to ourselves hence we need the we need teachers we need communities we need people who are willing to obsess themselves to to lead the way there were always Pathfinders this is not some some people are degrading that not respecting that don't be you know nobody needs a teacher everybody can teach you I don't believe in that I always believed in teachers I always gave myself to teach teachers and follow them because they could see beyond the point that I

was at and they helped me see more and it gave me so much so I always believed in the teacher student relationship I always believe in the Pathfinders that can assist that can help Open the Eyes but I also believed in empowering people as the prog as the as the practice progresses to become their own Pathfinders but that doesn't happen immediately it's a process so all these things together A wise man once told me when you find the right teacher learn whatever he has to teach you m I think you told me that yeah yeah

that's the that's the Pathfinder it's it doesn't matter what you want to learn it matters that you found a good connection to a source because the it doesn't matter what you want to learn you're learning the same stuff you play the violin you bake bread or you practice movement but all ultimately it's a human practice it's a practice of awareness your violin is going to degrade your movement is going to degrade everyone is going to Decay die disappear but some awareness some growth inside this journey is the most beautiful thing that we can do even

if it is temporary yeah even if it does not last it is the struggle up the hill with the rock the cus to fill our hearts it's enough to fill your heart I look forward to the next few days I've already learned a ton so uh I'll see you later for dinner thank you so much it's always a pleasure [Music] he