Jay Smith destroying (The Quran & Mecca)

For the name of God, that holy name, that universal name, that name that has been the beginning, the present, and the end; that God did use, and that all the prophets used to delineate the God that is the holy, the unique God. Allah is nothing more than a pagan god. Secretary of law has given manipulation. No, we did not allege I have to because of Jesus! That's why I love Jesus, because He says [Music], "Do you say what you believe?" [Music] Would you please welcome Dr. J. Smith. Now, those pictures you saw are from

Speaker's Corner. That only we do at Speaker's Corner. Don't get scared; we don't do that everywhere else, and I'm not going to do that this morning as well. That is a unique place; it's the only place on earth where we can do that. It's the only place where we can say anything we want, and believe me, we do say anything we want. Now, we do get beat up, and we do get shut down, and we do get knocked off our ladders, but it's fascinating! I was there at Speaker's Corner for 25 years. I counted up

the other day, and that was 1,100 times I went down to that place every Sunday. It's only on Sundays, and it's the place where the Muslims love because Muslims come from countries, come from cultures which are very oral, and they love orality. That’s the best place to learn how to be oral, how to verbalize what you want to say. But it's also a training ground; that's where we test our new material. That's the place that we go and take it for the first time. Anybody's ever heard it, they hear it there first because there are

ten to one Muslims, usually. When I was there, maybe ten Muslims to every one Christian that was down there. You're going to get an immediate peer review; you're going to get their reaction. In fact, it's great because they create the theater for us, and it's terrific because that then we immediately put up onto YouTube. It goes up live that very day, and we find out what the response is. We see how they're going to react; we see where they're going to come with, and that helps us then get ready for the next salvo. So in

some ways, what you saw there is unique; it only stays there. We don't do it anywhere else; it's only for London because that's the only place there is a Speaker's Corner. You can't have Speaker's Corner in this country because you have too many guns. Whether you like it or not, that is the truth. They tried it at Car in Costa Mesa; I'm sorry, um, Santa Barbara—now where is it? That one on the beach—where they... anyhow, they're on the beach in California, and people got shot. They tried it in Washington Square in New York City, and

people got shot. So it doesn't exist here in America, but it does in England because they have the most draconian gun laws in the world. As a result, there we can say and get away with an awful lot of stuff that we could not here in the United States or even on a university campus. What we introduced there, I can't even introduce it on a university campus because I'll be kicked out. This is called hate speech; this is called Islamophobia, and yet all we're asking are historical questions. So what I'm going to do this morning—I’ve

asked Ted if this is okay. I'm going to show you exactly what has happened in the last two years. In the last two years, we've come across some brand new material that I believe will destroy Islam. See if you agree with me. You may not; you may not think this is that important, but what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna take two services to unpack it. So this first service, and I asked Ted if this is okay—he said it was fine—this service, I'm gonna talk about Mecca and Muhammad. The next service, I'm gonna talk about the

Quran. Those are the three things that Islam absolutely needs. See, every Muslim, whether they are radical, nominal, or liberal, is dependent on one man, one book, and one place. The man is Muhammad, the book is the Quran, and the place is Mecca. Right here, Mecca. I've got this map up here because I'm only showing you exactly where I'm going to go, making it as visual as possible. So I hope—I don’t know if those on this side—you might want to move over here so you can see this map because you may not be able to. We

should have really put it up on the screens, but I really want to make it as personal as possible, and I didn't realize we'd have such a big crowd. So what we're going to do is we're going to look at the man in the place. Now, stop and think: do we not start from the same paradigm as Christians? Do we not go to a book and a man in a place as well? Don't we? The book would be the Bible, especially the New Testament; the man would be Jesus, and the place would be Jerusalem. Why?

Because that's where He died, and that's where He rose again. So we're going to do a comparative back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. And this is what I did three weeks ago. Three weeks ago today, I was in London. I had to go back there; I had to go and do some filming back there in the studios. But whenever I'm in London, I'm with Hatun Tash. Hatun Tash is a lady... She's from Turkey, is only about five foot two, and she has absolutely destroyed Islam in just the last four years. She has

not only destroyed Islam; she has destroyed the Quran. I'm going to talk about her more in the next hour, during the next service, but every time she is the one that's taken over my ministry there. She now goes down to Speaker's Corner every Sunday, regardless of what happens. She got stabbed in June, in her head and in her arm, at Speaker's Corner. It's all on film; you can go up on Fander Films and see what happened. She should be dead. The guy was just hammering into her with a knife on her head and broke the

blade on her head. There's no reason she should be alive today, but we've got a great Lord, and she has two angels called Harry and Larry. We haven't seen them, but the Muslims see them, and they made sure she survived that attack. Oh, she had to go to the hospital, and in fact, she fell unconscious with blood all over her face when she got up there at Speaker's Corner back in June. If you look at the video, after about ten minutes unconscious, she finally woke up; blood was all over, and she got up onto her

feet. This is what she said: "Your God needs you, but my God does not need me. Kill me if you want; that's not going to stop the truth." That was talking about, "You need to repent; you need to come back to Jesus Christ." Now, would you say that if you were stabbed in the head, knocked unconscious, with blood streaming on your face? God gave her those words to say. What a woman! What a colleague! Can you imagine having a hundred of her on your team, or even one? This woman, in the last three years, after

she had been interviewed by different news agencies, after that happened, got out of the hospital and was right back down there at Speaker's Corner the next Sunday, and the Sunday after that, and every Sunday since, including three weeks ago. But when she got out, they wanted to interview her, and they asked her this question using this methodology, which is polemics. This is all polemics. She confronts the Quran right, left, and center. She starts with polemics, which is something you're not taught to do in any of your schools, and she ends with polemics. She goes right

into mosque after mosque after mosque. She has been in 400 mosques all by herself. She's from Turkey; she desecrates our language every time she opens her mouth. God bless her! She carries a bag with all these Qurans in it, all in Arabic. She doesn't speak a word of Arabic because she's from Turkey, and then she opens them all up and says, "Notice they're all different; not one of them is the same," all in Arabic. I'll talk more about that in the next service, but what's fascinating about her is that in just three years, she has

brought a thousand Muslims to Jesus Christ all by herself. How many people do you know who have brought a thousand Muslims to Jesus Christ in just three years, going from mosque to mosque to mosque and confronting the Muslims with their own Quran? I've never heard of this before, and yet she's my colleague. When asked how many imams she has brought to Christ, she says 17. Seventeen imams! These are men who lead Muslims in their mosque. They've all had to leave their mosque; they've all had to go find other houses around Britain. All of them are

from Pakistan, India, or Bangladesh; not one of them is from Turkey, which is her own home country. This is a one-woman evangelistic machine. So, I was on the ladder with her three weeks ago. I was there, and I wanted to introduce this brand-new material on Mecca. As we were getting up on the ladder, I was telling Ted this just before the service. As we were getting up on the ladder, she turned to me and said, "Jay, I don't agree with you on Mecca." I said, "Well, please don't say anything on the ladder about that; just

run with me. Bear with me; I've got to convince them, and it looks like I'm going to have to convince you as well." This is how I started, but I don't have the pictures with me; I should have brought them—I didn't think about that. But I held up some pictures of this country right here; this is Saudi Arabia, right? But it's only been made Saudi Arabia because of the Al Saud family, which created Arabia and brought it together in the 1700s. They eradicated all their opposition and became Arabia there, so they got the whole peninsula

under their jurisdiction. But they needed theological legitimacy, so they brought a man named Ibn al-Wahhab, who was a theologian. He was studying Ibn Taymiyyah's material in the 1700s. They brought him together, and he gave the theological legitimacy to their political entity. So you had the mosque and the state brought together, much like we would have the church and state in the Catholic context. We separate the two; they bring it together. That happened in the 1700s, so that was 400 years ago that this whole peninsula came under their jurisdiction. You had both the politics and the

theology amalgamated. Now that was here in Mecca, and it's also in Jeddah, and it's also in Hindi. Those were the three centers at that time, in the 1700s. What they did then is they weren't really that powerful until the last century; in the last century, they found oil here, and when they... Find oil here. Suddenly, they became a superpower, and they started transporting and forcing this Wahhabism. That's where Wahhabism comes from— from Ibn Abd al-Wahhab, who was the man that created the theology. It all basically came down to two things. The theology of Wahhabism is

this: here it is in just two sentences: to be a good Muslim, read the Quran and follow Muhammad. That's it; that's all he was saying: read the Quran, follow Muhammad. What's the Quran? Here's the Quran. Ted, I didn't ask you permission to bring this in, Kyle, so you don't mind if I bring in this building. It's already here; you can't say no. Don't worry, we're going to destroy this in the next hour, so it'll be nothing. And that's why this is the book; this is their book. This is the Quran, right? This is the book

that they follow. Every Muslim, doesn't matter whether they are radical, nominal, or liberal, they have to follow this book. Read the book. But how do you apply this book? Well, you go to the author that wrote it. But it wasn't written by any author. This book is eternal; it's always been. It never existed; it never was begun; it's always existed. Can you see the problem? Read this book. How do you apply it? Follow the man in the book. Follow the man in the book. So that's what they have been doing since the 1300s. Now, 200

years after Ibn Tamiyyah actually created this paradigm, a man named Martin Luther did the same thing in Germany, did he not? When he nailed up his 95 theses there in Germany, what did he say? Sola scriptura: read the book, go back to Scripture. Don't follow the church; don't follow all these traditions that are coming from the Book of Tobit and these other inter-testamental books. Don't follow these indulgences; we are not to have this idea called purgatory. That's not in the book; it's not in our Bible. Read the book and follow Jesus Christ; follow the man

in the book. The man, the book; the man, the book. Basically, what Martin Luther was doing is what the Muslims had already done 200 years earlier. People are still saying today, "When is Islam going to be reformed?" That was their reformation. He was a protester; even Ibn Tamiyyah, people hated him. They put him into prison; he died in prison for saying, "Read the book and follow the man." Read the book and follow the man, just like they hated Martin Luther. So, Islam is very similar to us as much as that is going to make you

uncomfortable. Don't worry, that's as far as the similarities go, because when you read that book and follow that man, what a different book and what a different man. Almost none of our theologies are the same. I'm not going to get into that today, but do you notice which is the bigger book? This is the bigger book, right? I make sure it's bigger just so you can say yes; this is the bigger book. This is the smaller book. This is the bigger man. This is the smaller man. But here's the problem: when you look at the

man, when you go back to Muhammad himself, you've got to go to Mecca, because this is where he was born—right there, born in 570 A.D. The difficulty is that there is called Mecca. Now take a look at this, and you'll notice, I should have a topography map here, because if you look at a topographical map, you'll notice that it's all green up here and it's all green down here, and it's all brown here. Why is it brown here? And what was this area called? What did the Romans call this? What did the Greeks call this?

This is known as Petraea Deserta. Desert—that desert means desert. Right? That's all desert. What we know is this whole area here is Mesopotamia, the places of the two rivers that come down here. See the two rivers that come down here? The Tigris and Euphrates. That is where all the civilizations occurred. Why do all the civilizations occur up here? Because it's got water. If you have a desert, you don't have any water. Am I correct? Desert means no water. If there is no water, there's no vegetation. If there's no vegetation, there are no people. If there

are no people, there is no town. If there is no town, there are no cities. If there are no cities, there is no civilization. If there is no civilization, there is no history. How long did it take me to say that? Ten seconds, right? If there's anything you leave from this morning, that's all you need to know. Because any Muslim—and I hope you send this to Muslims, those of you who are following this at home, I don't know where the camera is, I'm going to be pointing to the area, I think it's over there—those of

you who are watching this at home, this is all being recorded; it's all going up online. I want Muslims to hear this. I want all of you to send this to your Muslims. Give them this video and have them answer this question: how could there be any history here if there's no water? Now, what do Muslims say? Every Muslim says that Adam and Eve, when they were in the Garden of Eden—now the Garden of Eden in the Quran, in chapter 2, in chapter 7, in chapter 20, the Garden of Eden is up in space; it's

not on Earth. Unlike our Garden of Eden, which is on Earth, their garden is up in space. So, when Adam and Eve were thrown... Out of that garden, they were thrown down to Earth. Where were they thrown down to? Bingo, right there. This is where they were thrown to Mecca, which means that would be the oldest town, city, civilization, civilized place on Earth, right? You don't have anybody earlier than Adam and Eve. They're the first humans, which means that should be the oldest town in history. If it's the oldest town or the oldest city, someone

somewhere should have known about or said something or written about it. We have no reference to a place called Mecca until 741 A.D. Muhammad died in 632. Can you see a problem there? That's over a hundred years later before we even hear about this place. It's on no maps until 900 A.D.; no maps have it on it. Ptolemy, writing in the second century, talked all about Arabia in his what he called the Geography of Arabia. He talks about all the places, and he talks about Aiden down here, and he talks about Sinai, and he talks

about Nazim. He talks about life, he talks about Yathrib, he talks about Khaibar, he talks about the book, he talks about all these places—Gaza, they're all there. And you can see, they're all right here. [Laughter] That's the western plateau. Mecca is not on the western plateau. Dr. Patricia Corona, in the 1980s, noticed this—actually, in 1970 she noticed this. She said, "Hold on, it's off the western plateau. It's about a thousand meters off the western plateau." A thousand? That's three thousand feet. You have to go down to get to Mecca. It has no water. Why? It's

a desert. It's not even an oasis. If you don't have water, how are you going to accommodate the caravans that came? How could it be on the trade route? She said it isn't on the trade route. She reads and writes 15 languages—all archaic languages. How many of you today read and write 15 languages? So this is a real prodigy. This is a woman who's unique, one of the first in the world to actually go back to the original documents. She was head of department at Oxford University when she did her book and wrote her book

in 1987 called Meccan Trade in the Rise of Islam. She decided to find out where this Mecca was. She went to all the documents from the second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth—all the way we'll go in this direction—where for you, yeah? Where's left or the right? That's right! So she went all the way from second, third, fourth, fifth, second, all the way up until the seventh century. No reference to Mecca on any of the documents. She went all up and down the coast here. She went up and down the coast; she went way over here to

India. She tried to find any reference. No reference. What she found was they were all talking about this place over here, Ageless, which is in Eritrea today in Africa. That's what she found—reference after reference. All the trade went through this way. Why? Because it went up the Red Sea. Why would you take all the goods coming from China and the Far East? They came to India; they could go this way because, see, that's all mountains there. That's the Hindu Kush and the Himalayas. So they could go that way; they had to come this way. Then

they had to—usually they went across here to the Persian Gulf. But then you had the Iranians, which were the Sassanids and the Byzantines, fighting each other from the fifth and sixth centuries, so that shut down the Persian Gulf. They had to redirect trade down to here. According to the trade route theory, which is all of you who know this theory—this is what I've been taught in all my schooling—they took off the trades here in Aden and they went 1250 miles all the way up to Gaza, stopping in Mecca. And Mecca controlled the trade. Why would

you control the trade from here if the trade is down here? No one ever asked this question until she asked this question. So she went back and did, as any good historian should do, she went back to the documents from that time—second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, all the way up to the seventh century—and she noticed that all the trade was maritime for one very good reason. Even today, how do you send large goods anywhere? By boat, right? It's the cheapest way to send boats or anything by boat. Even the big ships that go through there,

they come from China; they come from all over the East. To get over to the Mediterranean world, they have to come this route because if you just put a ton of goods and you go 50 miles by land, that would cost the same amount as 1250 miles by sea. And the reason is very simple. If you go by land, you have to have camels. Camels have to be fed; camels need to be watered; camels need to be guarded. You need to guard your goods. That means you may be attacked from any behind a rock, or

they might be behind a mountain or behind a sand dune—you can be attacked at any time. But when you're on the water, you can see for miles ahead. There are no sand dunes in the water; there are no mountains in the water; there is no way you can be attacked. You can see it coming, therefore it's much safer and it's much less expensive because all you need is wind to blow your sails. That's it! This is before diesel power; this is before gas was ever invented. They used the wind. All the trade went up this

way. All the trade went this way. Why hadn't... "Anybody noticed this before? 1970, because no one had asked that simple question, 'Where's Mecca?' You don't ask that question in a Muslim environment and live very long. It's the one area of study where what you find may kill you. She got a death threat for asking that question, for writing that book, 'Meccan Trade and the Rise of Islam.' She got death threats for it from Muslims. She had to leave Oxford University and come to Cambridge University; that's where I got to know her. When I did my

first debate in 1995—look at the date, that's 26 years ago—I did my first debate on this, and on the Quran, and on Muhammad, the book, the man, and the place. She prepared my debate for me. I went to her the week before the debate, and she said, 'Do this, write this, you say this, don't say this.' I looked at her and said, 'You know this material; this is your material. Why aren't you doing this debate?' She laughed at me and said, 'Jay, I'm an academic. I have a chair to protect, I have an institution to

represent. I cannot do this debate, but you can because you have no chair to protect, you have no institution. You only have one person you're responsible for, and his name is Jesus Christ.' She said that to me in 1995. She told me something I had never heard of; I had never thought of before. We, as Christians, are the only ones that can debate this. We, as Christians, are the only ones that can ask and demand and show the Muslims that they've got a problem because this place did not exist. Look at all the historical annals!

Listen, she didn't even go far enough, and this is what we just found in March of this year as we were looking at all these. I had my team look at all these different plans by Alexander the Great in the 3rd century BC, 4th century BC—sorry, 300s. He came from here; he wanted to find a waterway to attack Egypt. He didn't want to go across land, and he couldn't go this way because there are too many boats, and this way there are too many cities. So he wanted to see if he could go around Arabia

to find a sea route to get up to here and attack Egypt that way. The first one got to Bahrain; that's as far as it got. They went back. The second expedition got here to the Gulf of Oman, and then it went back. But the third expedition made it all the way around, and they went up the Red Sea, and then they returned home again. The reason why they returned home is they couldn't find any provisions for their troops, so there was no food, no water for their troops, and you can't go far without food

and water. So they had to return back here, and they never attacked Egypt by sea. Why? Because they were going up the wrong coast. They were going up the Arabian coast, and you look, and now look at all the historical annals, and you will see there are no ports here except for one called Yanbu right there to accommodate Yathrib. That is the only port that exists, but you cannot accommodate an entire fleet with just one port. They had to return home; they went up the wrong coast. What they should have done is gone up this

coast here. This coast is the western coast; this is Africa, and they have five major ports—I'm pointing them right here—five major ports. These are the ports that have been there since the 4th century BC. Why are those ports viable and not the ones on this side? Because they have water, and where you have water, you have vegetation, and where you have vegetation, you have people, and where you have people, you have towns; and towns, cities; and cities, civilizations. And where there are civilizations, there are ports—it's as simple as that. Do you see how simple this

is? You can also repeat this, can't you? Anytime anybody comes up to you and asks, 'Why is it nobody was over here? Why is it nobody actually did any work over here?' Because there's no water, and where there's no water, you know the rest. That's what we found out in March of this year. Those five ports are exactly one day's boat ride away, proving that these ports have been used since the 4th century BC. Alexander the Great was not even aware of this; he was on the wrong side of the sea, and we have just

shut that down. So there was no way to get to Mecca by land; there was no way to get to Mecca by sea. Jeddah, which is there today to supply all the supplies for Mecca, was only created in—listen to the date—750; that's the 8th century. That's just 1,400 years ago, proving that Jeddah was created because Mecca was finally chosen; Mecca was finally chosen. Now when we showed this and we introduced this, there's so much more I could go. I could go for—when I do a talk on this, it goes for about an hour and a

half. We don't have that time; I say only have three minutes left. That's correct, three minutes; I've got to bring it to a stop. Can you see the problem? If you don't have Mecca, you don't have any reference for Mecca. All the trade routes, everything we know about this place does not exist until the 8th century. If you don't have Mecca, then you don't have Muhammad because where was Muhammad born? He was born here. Where did he grow up? He grew..." Up here, where'd he spend his first 50 years of his life? He spent his

first 50 years of his life right here. When did the Quran get received? It was right here in Mecca, starting in the cave right outside of Mecca. Everything is dependent on Mecca. Adam and Eve were in Mecca, according to Chapter 21 in the Quran. Abraham is living in Mecca, according to all the traditions. As many as 70 prophets all lived here in Mecca. That means Hagar and Sarah and Ishmael and Isaac were all here in Mecca, which means we'd have to throw away all our biblical material because everything we know about that happening is way

up here, a thousand miles further north. And look at all the biblical evidence; look at all the archaeological evidence we have for Abraham, for Isaac, for Ishmael—you name it—they're all from up here. And look at what we have for Jerusalem: we have so much evidence for Jerusalem, not one piece of evidence for Mecca. Once you throw out Mecca, you throw out Muhammad. Once you throw out Muhammad, you throw out the Quran: no book, no man, no place. All I did was show you a map; see how easy this is? I haven't even gone to talk

about the coins yet; I haven't gone to talk about their inscriptions. We haven't got into that yet. I haven't even talked about the buildings. All the qiblas—every qibla for every mosque up until 706—way over in China, from way down in India, from all over Iran—all these qiblas—that's the direction of prayer that they're all facing, and they are all facing Petra. Nothing is facing Mecca, not until 727; that's over 100 years after Muhammad's death. It makes my job so easy. But see, you can repeat this: just show them a map and remind them that's a desert.

If it's a desert, there's no water; if there's no water, there's no vegetation; if there's no vegetation, there are no people; if there are no people, there are no towns; if there are no towns, there are no cities; if there are no cities, there is no civilization; if there is no history, you throw out Mecca. Are you all getting it? Do you see how easy it is? By the time I finished that, after going for about an hour unpacking it, Hatune had been converted. She was so excited about that that she came and asked me

to tell her whole team on Tuesday. But more than that, if you go up on her site, DCCI, you will see she has 11 videos just on this material from what we did at Speaker's Corner since the last two weeks. Now, if you want to know more about us, you can go back to the table; Judy will be back there afterwards. Here is our card. Get our card, and you have it; it shows you Fander Films on the back. All of this is going up on Fander Films. If you want to keep in touch with

us, if you want to see what we're now showing, what we're now doing, come and sign up on our sign-up sheet, and we will send you all the material because this is now being taught. I'm teaching this on a master's degree level and a PhD level at Veritas International University in California. In fact, tomorrow night will be the next session I’m doing this. We're now teaching 10 different courses, all on the historical critique, unpacking all this so people all over the world can get it. We have over 100 students now, and we've only been going

one year. I'm also teaching it right now, as we speak, this week, last week, and next week in Ethiopia. I’m supposed to be there physically; that's why I wouldn’t have been able to come here. I'm supposed to be in Ethiopia. But have you all been hearing what's happening in Ethiopia? You need to pray for Ethiopia. Addis Ababa may soon fall; Addis Ababa is being attacked from the north by the Tigray and from the south by the Oromos. They want to take over and make it an Islamic state. These are two Muslim political movements that are

coming. All my students had to leave the city; they're back in their own towns. This is a master's degree course that we're teaching there, this material, in Ethiopia because these are all pastors getting master's degrees, and they all want this material because they are surrounded by Islam on all four sides. They are the only Christian country in the world that has retained their Christian identity for two thousand years. The church in Ethiopia, the Orthodox Church, numbers 42 million. If Islam takes over Addis Ababa in the next few weeks, Ethiopia will fall. You need to pray

for Ethiopia; it's happening, and no one's talking about it here because all we want to talk about is Trump and Biden. We need to start talking about what's happening around the rest of the world, especially to our church. Let's pray for Ethiopia. Pray for these pastors as we're introducing this material because this is not hate speech; this is not Islamophobia. This is historical. You're right; I am a polemicist. To go on the offense, apologist means to go on the defense. All of you can be apologists because what apologetics is, is basically defending the person of

Jesus Christ and defending the Bible; that’s it. The book of the man, the book of man—that's all you are asked to do, and that's exactly what the early church did, and that's exactly what Paul did and all the disciples did. Jesus did that. Polemics is the goal the other direction. It's like a... Football team, you have your offense and you have your defense. You have two completely different teams, don't you? And they have two completely different skills. And the defense—those of you who are all Eagle fans, I'm sure you are; shame on you if you're

not— you all have your defensive team. They're big guys, they're bruisers, and they make sure the others don't score against you; otherwise, you lose the game. But they don't win the game. The ones that win the game are the offensive team, and the offense has a totally different set of skills. They are the ones that run, they grab, and then they push and get themselves to the other goal. They are the ones that score, and their names are all over the papers, and you know them best. They get the highest salaries. Why? Because they win

the game. So where and what do we do in offense in Christianity? We don't—not against Islam. Oh, you have offense against the Jehovah's Witnesses; you have offense against the Mormons. You have offense—in fact, I did my first degree in apologetics. My first master's was in apologetics, but that was all against the humanists and the atheists, you name it. But never, never, never—no, no offense against Muslims. There is no school in the world that teaches it except ours. We're the first school to do that: Veritas International University in California, where I have a master's degree program.

In fact, we are the first master's degree anywhere in the world on both apologetics and polemics to Islam—words you probably never heard before because we don't teach that, not in biblical studies. And so we're the first one to start this up because if you're going to take on Islam, you've got to win the goal. You've got to make the touchdown; you've got to shut down Islam. Now these are fighting words for a brother in Christ's missionary speaking. We're supposed to be peace and reconciliation, right? Isn't that what we all talk about? Where does Christ ever

talk about peace and reconciliation with the enemy? Does He? Can you show me one verse where He talks about peace and reconciliation with Satan, with any other religion besides Christianity? Can you show me where in the church Paul ever had peace and reconciliation with the Stoics or with the Epicureans or with the Gentiles, and certainly not with the Pharisees? Every place he went, into Laodicea, Cappadocia, wherever he went, he went right into the synagogue and he confronted these Pharisees with what they had done to the Messiah. That's called polemics. That's polemics, folks. You cannot open

the book of Acts and read chapters 15, 16, 17, 18, and 19 without seeing polemics all the way through it. And he got beat up, and he got thrown into prison, and he got flogged, and twice they tried to stone him to death. He caused a riot in Ephesus, and they finally killed him in Rome for peace and reconciliation. Yet that’s all we preach: peace and reconciliation. I'm stepping on some of your toes, aren't I? This is not likely; this is not what you like to hear in the Brethren in Christ. And that's exactly what

Paul did. It's what Jesus Christ did when He was there in the temple overturning the tables. That's polemics! Look at Matthew 23; the entire chapter: "You hypocrites! You snakes! You whitewashed tombs!" The entire chapter is full of polemics. Why aren't we doing that today? Because we're so fearful of Islam. We are scared to death of Muslims. Am I correct? The only people who are willing to come with me are the Afro-Americans and the Afro-Caribbeans and the Africans. That's why I have to go to Nigeria. And I'm in Ethiopia right now, every day—I'm supposed to be

there physically. I'm training them up because they're surrounded by Islam. Look at Ethiopia; see what's happening right now this week. The Tigrayans, Muslims are coming from the north down to Addis Ababa. The Omoroles are coming from the south to Arasa—a pincher movement. Have you been following this in the news? No, no one talks about it here in America because all you want to talk about is Biden and all you want to talk about is Trump. You don't want to say anything about what's happening in the rest of the world. We're watching Ethiopia, in just a

few weeks, maybe overridden by Islam. It is surrounded by Islam. This is the only country that, for 2000 years, has remained Christian. That's true; no other country has a majority population that's Christian for 2000 years. Sixty percent of the population of Ethiopia is Christian. The Orthodox Church in Ethiopia has 42 million members, and yet we're not even looking at the news; we're not even aware of what's happening. I'm training up 20 pastors right now, all at a master's degree level, trying to introduce all this new material because they need it more than you need it.

They need it because they need to go on the offense. They need to shut down Islam. They can't even stay in Addis; they've been told all to go home because of everything that's happening. It's going to fall. And so they’re doing it with their laptops in all their different cities, and we're—every morning now, I'm training them up for two and a half hours into this material. I should be there physically, but I can't because it's too dangerous right now. And this is what I'm telling them. In the first service, I talked about Mecca, and I

just destroyed Mecca. We now have destroyed Mecca historically, and it's as simple as saying one word—two words: "No water." That's all you have to say: no water! Here's Mecca right here; this is where Adam and Eve were sent. To this, is where Abraham lived. In chapter 21 of the Quran, Adam and Eve were sent down to Mecca in chapter 7, verse 20, verse 7, verse 27. Look in the Quran; it's right there in the Quran. Just read it in black and white. Abraham was there in the Kaaba. He goes and he destroys all the idols,

and with a big idol, and then the next day is thrown into a fiery pit, and then God saves him from the fiery bed. Well, that's Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. Nonetheless, the story is with Abraham here in Mecca, which means Mecca should have been there from the very beginning because you don't get anybody earlier than Adam and Eve; they are the first. Right? That's in the Quran. Well, we shut that down just by asking two words: "There's no water." There's no water anywhere here. If there's no water, there's no vegetation. If there's no vegetation, there

are no people. If there are no people, there are no towns. If there are no towns, there are no cities. If there are no cities, there is no civilization. If there is no civilization, there is no history. Bingo! Shut down Mecca just like that, and it took me 10 seconds. That's just what you can do; just ask any Muslim, "Show me any historical record for Mecca prior to 8741." That's the 8th century. Nothing at all about this place called Mecca. See, without Mecca, if Mecca doesn't exist— and it hasn't existed, in fact, it was invented.

It was created in the 8th century, 100 years after Muhammad died in 632. They finally created Mecca. And so, the first record we have of Mecca is 741. The first time it's even on any map, anywhere, in any place, is not until 980—that's the 10th century. If you don't have Mecca, you don't have Muhammad. If you don't have Muhammad, you don't have the Quran, this book right here. Now, what I want to do this hour, I want to look at this book. I've asked Ted; he said it's okay to bring this in the church. It's

not going to hurt anybody because we're going to destroy it right now. This is the book that every Muslim has to follow. Why? Because this book is eternal, according to chapter 85, verse 22 in the Quran. This book was never created; it is the eternal tablet that has always existed, coexisted with God. Which is already, that's a duality, isn't it? How could you have something, an animated object, coexist with God if God is eternal, and you have another, a tablet eternal? Defend that! Ask any Muslim; I've had that for 40 years. No Muslim has been

able to defend. Nonetheless, this has never been touched by human hands. If it's eternal, it is the word of God—definite article—because it is above mankind. No man can touch it; no man can change it. That's in chapter 10, verse 15; that's in chapter 18, verse 27; and that's also in chapter 15, verse 9. Why? Because in 15, verse 9, the reason no man can touch it—that means no man can change one word, no man can change one letter—is because Allah guards it: chapter 15, verse 9 in the Quran. It's all through the Quran. This book

says clearly there's only one God, and He has no associates. That's in chapter 5, verse 72. There's only one God, and He has no wife. That's chapter 6, verse 101. Say not three, for God is one and He has no son. That's in chapter 4, verse 171. And verse after verse after verse confronts Jesus Christ. Chapter 5, verse 75 says very clearly that man, God, cannot eat, yet Jesus ate. In chapter 5, verse 116, it says, "Is it true you, Jesus, 'Issa, that you and your mother are worshipped as gods?" Supposing and insinuating that Mary

is part of the Trinity. Do you teach that here? Please don't say yes. Thank you. You said no. Boy, you got your theology right. We don't teach Mary as part of the Trinity, but it's in the Quran, which suggests there's something wrong with this book because it doesn't even understand who Jesus is. Chapter 4, verse 157: "For they killed him not; they thought it was so; another was given his place, another was given his image." That's Jesus Christ. "They killed him not; they did not crucify him." That's in chapter 4, verse 157. And if that

is true, then we're all damned, folks. You might as well go home. If Jesus Christ did not die on the cross and rise again on the third day, we're all damned, and this book damns us all to hell. That's this book, which means we're going to have to confront this book. Stop confronting Muslims; you're wasting your time. That's called hate speech. Don't say anything nasty to Muslims. Don't even talk about Muhammad. Stop this talking about his sexual proclivities and his finances. Forget it. Don't do that. I'm going to show you what you need to do,

and this is real polemics. Just confront this book. Confront this book because when you confront this book, you confront the man with him. It goes simultaneously. Confront this book and confront that place: the book, the man, and the place. I love this, and here's how you do it. So ask your Muslim friend the next time they say that this book is eternal, never been changed—not one word, not one letter—that has never, it has always existed, co-existent with God eternally, and therefore no man can touch it. It was sent down to a man named Muhammad from

610 to 632, that 22-year period, first in Mecca. Wait a minute, where is no Mecca? So how could he receive it? Here, you've already eradicated that in the last hour. If it doesn't exist here, there's no Quran there, right? Well, then just take the crawlers. Don't do it! Please don't do that. Tear it in half and throw that white part half away because that is all from Mecca. Then he moves to this place up here, Medina, which is called Jethro at that time. And we're going to confront that now because, if that was the case,

there should be a Quran somewhere in this area, right? There should be a Quran at the seventh century because it was canonized by Uthman in 652; that's mid-seventh century. So, 1,400 years ago, there was a Quran here, but it wasn't just one Quran because suddenly they realized there was more than one Quran. So what did Uthman do in 652? He then took all the other Qurans that were in different languages, he burned them all, and only had one Quran left known as the Quraysh, which is this Quran. So, I'm told this is the Quran that

every Muslim reads all over the world, right? Say yes. Be good Muslims. You're to be obedient and somewhat submissive; that's what Islam means. So be good Muslims just for the next half hour, okay? At least you'd be a good Muslim. Okay, just say yes to everything I say. You're going to be Abdul, all right? You're my Abdul, and you're going to be Amena, okay? I mean, so Abdul, this is your book, right? You say yes. Yes, sir. And this is the book you've had since 1,400, since 652. Say yes. Eternal. Not one word, not one

letter. And you've been telling me this for 40 years. We've been good friends, heavenly Abdul, and though I just met you today, you've been telling me for 40 years: not one word, not one letter. If that was the case, have you seen what Hatune found? Who's Hatune? Hatune is a five-foot-two-inch girl. She's only this high. She's from Turkey, and she is a daughter of a well-known imam in Turkey. She had to leave Turkey because she became a Christian. I won't tell you the whole story; I'm not permitted to tell you the whole story, but it

is absolutely horrendous. Horrendous when you hear her story; she had to be thrown out. She had to leave Turkey and come to Britain, where she became my student. She thought I was audacious. She thought I was arrogant the first time she met me because I come across as arrogant all the time. Ask my wife. And so here she was. She was my student, and I said I went to a place called Speaker's Corner every Sunday. She came down to Speaker's Corner. That's what you saw up there on the screen; that's what I did for 1,100

times. I was at Speaker's Corner over 25 years, going there week after week. Those guys that you see there—you saw Adad Rasheed; you probably didn't know him. He is one of the top Muslim debaters in the world today. He has a following of half a million all over the world on YouTube. You also saw Ishmael. Ishmael was there as well, the first guy at the very beginning. He is well-known all over Europe; he is one of their best debaters. And we shut them down using Hatune's material. What did Hatune find? Hatune, who had grown up

as an imam's daughter, had always been told that the Quran is eternal, that it has never been changed. Not one word, not one letter has ever been changed. She went to Morocco to teach some missionaries there, and she wanted to get a Quran in Arabic. She doesn't speak a word of Arabic herself. She went into the bookstore, and she said, "Could you please give me one Quran?" The man behind the counter said, "Well, which Quran do you want?" She said, "What do you mean, which Quran? I want the Quran; there's only one Quran." He says,

"No, over here we have Warsh, we have Hafs, we have Al-Qisai, we have Ibn Hua Kafir." And she said, "Wait a minute, what are you talking about?" He says, "What do you mean you haven't heard about these two different Qurans? Which one do you memorize? Do you memorize Hafs? Do you memorize Warsh? Do you have Al-Mermaid Qisai? Here's Kaloon over here." She said, "Well, give me them all." And so she brought them back to London to show me. This was back in 2013. And I started laughing when I saw these. I said, "I had no

idea these Qurans still existed because these are over a thousand years old." This is what happened way back in the eighth, ninth, and tenth centuries when all of a sudden they started writing these many different Qurans. Because these are the first Qurans that existed. When they looked at the text, all you have are just little squiggly letters. If you look at Arabic, it doesn't—at the very beginning it had no dots, it had no vowels. It just had what we call as cardinal texts or skeletal texts. These are called—it's a great word to remember—the resume just

really just drips out of your mouth. I love it. Oh, there goes my spit! Now, the rest here you have, and that's all they had. Just basically 16 letters. But nobody could read them because one little smiley face like this could be five different letters. So they had to start adding dots to them. You put one dot above, it becomes "b." You have two dots; one becomes "t." Three dots of one becomes "th." One dot below becomes "j." Two dots below it become "ya." Five letters, just depending on where your dots. So suddenly they... Are

with all these dots at their disposal, but then they don't have any vowels. So, you have to add three vowels. If you put a little slash above it, it becomes a fattah, which is an "ah" sound. If you put a little curly cube of it, it becomes a diamond, which is an "ooh" sound. If you put one little slash below it, it becomes a quest, which is an "e." Right? Three vowels in Arabic, and now instead of 16 letters, you now have 28 letters. Well, if you have 28 letters to deal with, you're going to

be Abdul putting your dots where you want to. Amina, you're going to put your dots where you want to. You will put your dots where you want to. You will stick your dots where you want to, and you will call yours Abdul, and you will call yours Amina, and you will call yours Wash, and you will call yours Kaloon. So, you give your name to your Quran, and suddenly all these Qurans start proliferating—700 Qurans by the 10th century. 700 different Qurans, all with different dots all over the place, all saying different things. Because if you

take three letters together and put dots in different places, you can get anywhere from 19 to 33 different words. That's just with one word, and you have a sentence of different words. You can have all kinds of sentences. Have any of you heard this before? No? And you never would have heard this had it not been for Hutton, five foot two inches. She went and found these six and came back, and I said, "Well, there's actually quite a few more on this. Try finding 30 of them," because there's 30 official ones that were made official

by 1429—that's the 15th century, 800 years after Muhammad. They had chosen 30 that were official—30 different Qurans. So, she started going all over the place. She started going to Yemen and to Jordan, seeing if anybody that was trying to say, "Could you get this one for me? Could you get this one?" because I gave her the whole list. You can see the list; it's up on Wikipedia. It's all there if you want to read it. I'm not telling you anything that Wikipedia hasn't already said. We've known about it, but no Muslim knew about it. Well,

not no Muslim; no one on the ground knew about it. And then she found 26 of them, so we took them down to Speaker's Corner that you saw on the screen in 2016—six years ago—no, five years ago. I don't know, my master; you can ask my wife. Five years ago, we took them to Speaker's Corner, and we held them up so the whole world could see. The Muslims went berserk. They started throwing things at us. A big tall Muslim named Muhammad Hijab, who is well-known all over the Muslim world now—he has a following of half

a million—he said he was sitting right there, standing at the foot of our ladder. You can see him on the video; just go up on Founders Film, so our film, my YouTube channel, watch to see what he does. He goes outside of the group and says, "All the Muslims, come here, come here! Do not look at what they're showing you. Do not listen to a word they're saying. I will tell you everything!" Well, that was in 2016. Last year, in 2020—four years later—he went to the leading scholar in the Muslim world, Dr. Yasakari out of

Houston, Texas. He got his PhD at Yale University on the Quran, on this very subject. It's called the qira'at, and at Yale University, he had a crisis of faith. You see, at Yale University, they ask any question they want. When you go to the Muslim world, they put red lines. This is what he said when Muhammad Hijab, in the interview there on July 8, 2020, says, "I have my hand here. It is blank. Which Quran are you going to write on my blank hand? Is it Huffs? Is it Kaloon?" Before he could finish his sentence,

Yasakari said, "Do not ask me this question. We do not talk about this in public. Do not film me." And we're all watching this live. I'm sitting there looking at it, and I'm starting to go like this—well done! We've got an honest Muslim finally. And he says, "We have a red line in Islam. We don't ask certain questions. We have respect for the Quran. We don't go beyond certain questions. But at Yale University, there's no red line. You can ask any question you want at Yale University because that's the West; that's where they're asking questions

about our Bible." See, these questions we know about, don't we? We've had these questions, haven't you? About the Bible—Is there such a person as Moses? Did he write Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John? What about the documentary hypothesis, the JEDP? We've had these questions. You had to learn them; I had to learn them in seminary. These questions have all been asked of the Bible, and we've answered every one of these questions: redacted criticism, source criticism. This is called textual criticism, historical criticism. These were all asked there in the 1800s in Germany at the Tübingen School. Well,

we're well aware of these types of criticisms, and we've answered every one of those criticisms. If you have any doubt, go get Josh McDowell's book, "Evidence That Demands a Verdict." It answers every one of those questions. The Bible has passed every test. It didn't invent these areas of study; it matured them so that every other piece of literature could be asked this question, including... The Quran. So we did that; that was in 2016. Because of what Hatun showed the world — because of that interview that happened just a year ago, a year and a half

ago — as Jason was going on, he said, "You in the east," pointing to Muhammad Hijab, "you have a real problem. The standard is narrative, which is your narrative, has holes in it." He admitted this to the whole world. In the West, he says, "Where I live, in Yale University, we — the intellects of the Western world — have come leaps and bounds in the last hundred years, and we've got to live in this world. You don't have to live in this world because you have holes in your narrative." Finally, after 28 minutes, Muhammad Hijab

put his hand out a second time. He said, "I still want an answer: Which Quran? Which is the Quran that’s eternal? Which is the Quran that’s in heaven? Which is the one of these 30 that is the one that was revealed to Muhammad? Which is the one that was canonized by Uthman?" Yasakari had to come up with an answer. He finally said, "They're all the Quran. [Music] All 30 of them. You take a little bit of this, you take a little bit of that, you take a little bit of these dots and those vowels, and

you just mix them up, and that’s the Quran." And I just started clapping. See, what Yasakari doesn't know is what we know. See, no Muslim has done what we've done. Our team has gone back, and we started to look at them. We have a team in Australia, we have a team in Britain, and my team here is all over the world. We're now looking. Here are two of those Qurans. These are the two most popular Qurans in the world today. This one, I've got it upside down. Let's put it right side up so you can

read. Sky, you can all read Arabic, so you want to make sure I have it right side up. This is Huff's. This is now memorized by 95% of the Muslims in the world today. Huff's — that’s his name. He was one that wrote this Quran. He wrote this in 796. Muhammad died in 632. That’s 146 years after Muhammad. He wrote this book; he did not write this book in Arabia because this down here, the Arabic that’s in this book does not come from here. The Arabic that’s in this book comes from this part of the

world. Why does it come from this part of the world? Well, because there’s water up here, and where there’s water, there’s vegetation, and where there’s vegetation, there are people. When there are people, there are towns and cities and there is written text. This is known as Nabatean Aramaic. This text, this Quran Arabic that’s in this book, which is in the Quran today — because this is the Quran, the official Quran that was chosen in 1924. Let me repeat that: 1924. That’s not even 100 years ago; that’s 97 years ago. This was chosen as the official

text. Have none of you heard this before? See, no Muslims — Abdullah, you’ve never heard this either. What does this do to your Quran? This is a man-made book written by a man who lived not in Arabia; he lived way over here in Kufa, which is just southwest of Baghdad, and this you say is eternal. What about this one here? This is Wash. This is memorized all over North Africa. Why? Because it comes from Cairo, way up here in Egypt. It was written in 812. Just between these two books, Abdul — you listen to Amina

— the two of you, when you go home, you can talk about it, and you can ask whether or not you really want to follow this book anymore. Just between these two books, there are 5,000 different words, which means 5,000 different sentences, which means 5,000 different meanings. This means this is as human-made as you can get. This has nothing to do with God, and we can throw it away. It gets even better than that because then these two books have just come out. These two books have just come out in the last 10 years —

actually, 20 years. And this one, I had something to do with. This is from the German school; the Germans have finally now started to look at the Quran, and they’re going and taking all the dots away and taking all the vowels away, and guess what they’re finding? They’re going back to the resume; they’re going back to the skeletal text. But they don’t want you to know this because this is not in English; this is all in German. And what they have found — these are Syriac scholars. One is named Dr. Christian Christopher Luxenberg; the other

one is named Dr. Gunter Luling. Dr. Christian Luxenberg — I'm sorry, Dr. Christophe — Dr. Gunter Luling, sorry, is a good friend of mine. I know him personally. I’ve been to his home; I actually helped translate this book. I didn’t do the translation; I commissioned it to get translated. I got it translated. This is his doctoral thesis. He went and took off all the dots and just looked at the skeleton text, which is what you should do, isn’t that right? As a textual critic, you go back to the original text, am I correct? No, you

wouldn’t know this, but he does. You know this, isn’t it? See, as a Christian, we do this with the Bible, don’t we? We go back to the Greek text, right? Not the Latin Vulgate; we go back to the Greek text, the Sinaiticus, the Alexandrinus, the Vaticanus. That’s the original. Well, it’s not the... Origin, but it's the closest to the original. So, he went back to the closest to the original, and guess what he found? When you take off all the dots, when you take off the vowels, and you just go back to the text, he

found out that this has nothing to do with Arabic. Anyway, this is Syriac—oh, Aramaic. The original text is Syriac Aramaic, which is the theological language of the Byzantine Christians from the fifth, sixth, and seventh centuries. It turns out that when he looked at all these beautiful poems that are in the Quran—about 30% of the Quran is made up of poetry—guess what he found? Every one of those poems, stroke for stroke, line for line, are Christian hymns written in Christian Syriac Aramaic in the fifth and sixth centuries, taken and ripped out of the Aramaic and then

put into Arabic, which only started to exist in the seventh century. They started adding the dots and vowels, and almost all of them are about Jesus Christ. They're all about Jesus—Christian hymns like what you're singing today, written in Syriac and then introduced and eradicated, much of its theologies destroyed by the Arabic in the eighth century. Crystal Luxembourg did the same thing with the rest of the Quran, the dark passages—25% of the Quran—even the Muslim scholars don't understand today. So he was curious. He's a scholar of Aramaic; he's taught it. When he went back, ripped all

the dots out and ripped all the vowels out, and then he went back to the lexicon and reintroduced it in Syriac, he was able to find every one of those references to God, the biblical stories. He could go back and source every one of them, and most of them are what we know today as Christian lectionaries written in the fifth and sixth centuries for liturgy in the church—all praising Jesus. That's just been found in the last few years. We're just now introducing that on my YouTube site this week, coming out of the German school, because

we can't read German, so we're getting German scholars to translate it for us. You see, what I've just done to the Quran—not only is this book, the Quran, a book written by men; it was first written by Christians, taken out of its Christian environment, interposed with Arabic teaching, and eradicated in what they have done to the Quran. What they see the Quran really is: the Karina Karyana is the name for the recitation in Syriac; Quran means recitation in Arabic. They've taken the lectionaries, the Karyana, and put it into the Quran Arabic, and they eradicated all

the references to Jesus and instead put the prophet of God, the plagued one of God. Four times, they even referred to him as Muhammad. But what does Muhammad mean in Arabic? It means the praised one. This is not a name; this is a title referring to Jesus Christ. Now, can you see what this does to the Quran? Are you following me? I know it's a little difficult, especially for you, Eliza, but I'm not sure if you do, Abdul. You can ask your wife when you get home. Can you see what's going on here? I'm destroying

the Quran, and all I'm doing is textual criticism—taking a book, all of it written up here, where all the people live, where all the civilizations are, where Christianity flourished, Judaism flourished—taking it away from here and putting it up here. What we're now doing is destroying the Quran, and we need to bring it home; we need to bring it back to its original text, back to Jesus Christ. That's my job; that's not your job. Let us, the polemicists, do that. You just defend Jesus; you just defend the Bible. Let us confront the Quran, let us confront

Muhammad, and let us confront Mecca. Let's pray. Our Heavenly Father, we want to thank you for what you're doing. We want to thank you, Lord, that we can worship you. Rory, I want to ask you that as we continue to confront the Quran, as we continue to confront Muhammad, and as we continue to confront Mecca, these are the things that we are going to use to shut down Islam. In everything we do, may we represent you. In Christ's name, we pray. Amen. Now, before I go, I just want to say real quickly, if you do

want to know more, we have a book table back there. My wife, Judy, will be there. We have these cards, and this is where you can find Fander Films. All this new material is going up on Fander Films almost every other day, and we're putting up all this brand-new material that I just introduced to you today. You're the first to hear it. It's all going up in Fander Films. If you want to get on our prayer letters, where we're introducing all this and keep in touch with us, there is a sign-up sheet out there. But

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