DRA. OLZENI RIBEIRO (NEUROPSICOPEDAGOGA) - PODPEOPLE #115

[Music] [Music] Our guest today is an Educator with a PhD in education, specialization in clinical and educational neuropsychopedagogy with a focus on high abilities and giftedness, she is the author of several books, including socio-emotional skills and creativity in a transdisciplinary perspective, we will address issues such as identification and the education of gifted children the role of PAs and the challenges of the educational system among others with you ouzen [Music] Ribeiro [Music] Hello everyone, welcome to another episode of pod people the place where we meet to see and listen to people People who Do People who

happen People who inspire Our guest today is Educator her name ouzen Ribeiro All good my dear Bia and Alex, what a great pleasure to be here, what a good thing Thank you very much for accepting our invitation I'm the one who thanks us first First of all, there's a surprise for you, we have gifts to give you from the insider, so let's go here, here are two gifts for you, ready, guys, V, I can leave now, no, no, you can open them while you're going to open them, I'm going to talk here about a promotion

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look, I just brought a bag, I'm not even a boy with Santa Claus. Bring a bag to take away the storage when we're ready, we'll also pack it up. We're having a cute bag made for the podcast but it's not ready yet, so today our partners will help carry it, help carry it Hey guys, my dear, let's go there today, we want to learn a lot We want to drink in your knowledge because I confess that I know very little about high abilities, super giftedness and we needed to bring someone here and I started looking,

search here, search there, I came across you, I spent about two months watching you without following me. I said no, I can't let her see that the other day I was following someone, I thought when am I going? I said Guys, I'm under observation, right? So today we really want to learn from you, I wanted you to start by defining what super giftedness is because that Interested in your story is this type of skills that you had to learn to deal with that I really believe that whenever we have this Challenge in our personal lives

we look for these things that are not so common, it 's not that they don't exist but they are not so common so the word is yours, thank you Bia Bia, what we realize throughout humanity is that whenever someone turns something into a life purpose That is part of life, right? of many others and then that becomes a viceral cause, right, that's what giftedness became for me, since, of course, coming back to my life after I entered the field and began to truly understand, finding meaning, I discovered that I discovered true when I was 6

years old, so you already have that from your childhood, I went back to my childhood to understand when I got the first eight in my life and then I got a beating and another beating from my father eight eight then He said, 6 years, you'll never get less than 10 again. At the time, he was 80 and 100. What 's your dad's name, Josezinho, he's gone, he's already gone during Covid, he took us, we forgave him, but he certainly wasn't like that anymore, he because he was always very intense, very protective and a perfectionist, so

for example it was a way of thinking that he was taking care of himself, that he was taking care of himself and that he was going to do his best preparing this less than 10 was complicated more than 10 was complicated You had to have the best even just the maximum, always And then that really impacted me because when he said that, never again do you get less than 100 because 100 for a child is a lot, the proportion is greater than 10 and at the time it was 80 and 100 that were called, right?

I remember that I entered the but this I review the my life many years later, right? Of course, that was the moment when I started to take a turn towards perfectionism in my life and that's what happened to me, you weren't a person like that, you were a free child, I realized and I didn't perceive myself like that, that's what It marked my childhood in a very strong way and then I started with that vice-real decision that I never had to make less, I mean you couldn't make mistakes anymore, I couldn't make mistakes anymore. In

reality, it's not taking the semha, it's not making mistakes. not making mistakes which is worse even worse because without you studying it is a number that you can reach but not making mistakes but not making mistakes it was very difficult I carried that weight for a long time I still carry it I have to confess for sure but it was very strong my life and then over time I realized how much this marked me for me to try to see in people and then when I became a teacher in my students and then in my

children and when I became a coordinator I had to see in the team to see where I would see potential in those people for them to be more than 100, more than 100, yes, when he told me that, I said, so I have to do more because I have to have credit, you have to have a margin of error, I felt as if I had to have a margin of non-error, right, and I had to ask the teacher to write a test worth 12 so you could get 11 and she guaranteed to guarantee the margin,

right, teacher, you can ask two more questions, we can, you can get it and I can it was the way because then I can guarantee the and you know something interesting, taking a leap like this right in time because when I did my doctorate I went looking for participants who were gifted or identified or not but who had made some transformation I wanted know the story of their lives deeply from the belly uhum to understand this and I looked for people who had transformed the area in each area different areas and had really done something

not extraordinary of change that was changed the paradigm but that changed the parad digma being extraordinary no uhum and an artistic artistic gymnast she told me something similar that on that day I got it she lived in São Paulo lives and I went there to do the interview and it was the time she cried a lot that she told me as soon as she had a World competition where she was having the world's fans cheering her on, she's Brazilian but it seems like the whole world was just looking at her and she was always very

perfect in training, she created There are even elements with her name on it, which is Ane's dos Santos that And then she said that when she got up on the bar for micro nanoseconds she looked at that entire audience waiting for her to be the winner She thought I can't give 100 I need to give 110 and that was the moment the tears came out that she She said I need to give 110, it has to be the best of the best of the best and in that nano-second thought she made a slight slip and

the jury noticed and she didn't win, she blurred, right, blurred in that exact moment she gave room for the emotion to take over Contão and the emotion comes alarm system, right? It was scary ex It was scary then I think and she said but the incredible thing is that it was something like it's nano seconds in our time it's countless I always say that the brain works in another dimension of time because when we Say, I was once writing that I said that for an atom of a second, then the reviewer said, Bia, that doesn't

exist, I said, oh, it does, because the brain, time, isn't like us at this exact moment, it's making millions of connections at an unimaginable speed and that exists there is another dimension exactly there now it's time for us to really blur the nano time, right it's the nano time that for TDH we have to fight all the time because it is a subjective time that you but it is real real it is subjective but within the your reality and the reality that you see and this really resonated with me at this moment and you take

it and what you just said enhances it in the gifted person's brain, right, then we get into what you said about what this giftedness is, that's what we here in Brazil there is a paradigm that has brought Bia and I dare to say With all these four dozen and more experience and studies in this area I dare to say that we Today we have a public mental health problem among gifted students throughout the public and private schools, so what you're telling me is very important information. Gifted people end up having an easier time developing mental

disorders, that's what literature is, I'll start. a little at the beginning there is a theorist Dabrowski who He deeply studied a phenomenon a theory that he created which is the theory of disintegration uhum in this theory he says that He studied many people and discovered that for it to find a place of development she goes through a disintegration of personality the gifted super people he he This he researched people in general he actually had no contact with super like this with the idea of ​​giftedness but later other scholar authors brought up this theory because he

describes it describes the gifted So you totally say the theory of disintegration Positive the theory of disintegration posg positive you have to deconstruct yourself to adapt to the environment or deconstruct for yourself after this phase it becomes cruel can you organize yourself to enter a development plan and he puts it as a positive plan that wouldn't exactly fit But you manage to dismantle yourself and then you come together, you gather the pieces and you can see this movement of positive development and this theory when it was brought to giftedness which is the one that most

describes the gifted and that we don't have that in Brazil because what do we have today in Brazil gifted if you play like gifted on Google you will see a screen full of blonde children with glasses and ties in that position with a bunch of computers So this stereotype has been following since 1971 to 52 years ago without change and has brought a distorted vision that educators, for example, which is my area, parents and professionals in the health area who are necessary and they want to see a gifted person who In fact, no, he is

not gifted, he does not exist ex, creating an archetype of giftedness that does not correspond to reality. It corresponds to reality and what this has brought to the country, public policies, never because it is a country that thinks a lot about and is based on the Deficit model. Deficit model education I'm here to cure and to teach the doctor to look at what the problem is, he doesn't look at the person what the problem is, so let's treat the problem, given that perhaps this problem is systemic, it is within a system and anywhere of the

body that is affected, the entire system will be affected Uhm, but we tend to just look at the little place, the point where the problem can be without understanding it, and what we have about the theory of giftedness in Brazil, which is even prevalent in legislation, is a tip. of this system that is and still confusing because this theory Although it is extremely dense, a very important scholar who has made many contributions, but he looks at them giftedly from a perspective that completely distorts this vision and it ends up that the country, the state, thinks

this way, so what am I going to do? I will worry about those who don't need it if they are talented if they are the most intelligent if they are better than they are superior I will worry about those who are hungry with those who have Def deficiencies and problems exactly I will worry about problems there Zeni I'm thinking here, it's very bad because those who have a certain potential could be stimulated to be able to solve problems that will also lead to paradigm shifts, exactly they are the developed countries, they look at everyone but

they take this minority of gifted people and invest massively to take a step forward, including We lost many in Brazil in the United States today and making Miguel Nicole a monster too, right? He was recognized abroad and today he is welcomed in China with a party of queues of students asking for autographs wherever he goes because It's Brazil, no one knows, they just know that he's from Palmeiras, they recognize him during his internship, which is regrettable, regrettable, right? which is the place to more suffering for these people, whether from nursery school to university, postgraduate education

system, academic space, which is the space that the gifted person goes to in the expectation of looking for nutritional food exactly and there he only finds disappointment And then the problems begin, it is there at school, recrimination, rejection ill-prepared teachers And then it's not your fault two teachers who don't have the technique to identify or prepared with a theory with a paradigm that is but there isn't something that can be identified because that teacher who will say you, I'm talking about will be like this and the child goes and does a calculation that gives the

result in another way ex in another way and I saw teachers do this and the teacher says I'm the one in charge of the room, you shut up That's how you're going to have to do it and as a teacher I feel free to say that teachers are not them, each one studies his own microsystem, he doesn't think that there are minds there that he can develop a lot. Furthermore, because he was he was also fitted into the system we have today Bia for you to understand this difference, you understand Alex, this difference between the

gifted student and the typical student who we say is the student with the standard brain, a system that we call aesthetic, which is aesthetic esthesis, which is esthesis, is a is a phenomenon physics describes how that system that does not have eh na it establishes itself it follows an Alpha wave Uhum And if there is no new stimulus it remains synchronous yes it remains which is our teaching system it has never left its place since the era Industrial is a comfort zone where nothing happens Exactly now you think very comfortably about gifted students who have

what because giftedness is actually a neurodevelopmental condition just like TDH is even neurodevelopmental disorders It's just not a disorder Uhmm but it is a condition in which she has a brain modification at birth during pregnancy is a genetic condition Uhm but it is embryonic genetics during the formation of the embryo or independent genetics it is genetics studies show it as independent genetics Although it also has a high probability of heredity because not all genetics are hereditary exactly, but giftedness has already been proven by studies that it is a family condition like TDH, for example, if

there is never a single autistic person, a single TDH in the superd family, they are in phases, right, different traits, different levels But there are always within these conditions And these conditions gifted you TDH I'm going to talk about touch Tod I'm going to talk about the most common ones which is the confusion of diagnosis they are in the same place in the brain of the central nervous system the brain controls the body when this child is born if he Born with this condition, he begins to enter the social world, then the characteristics begin to

appear and mix TDH with hyperactivity, social isolation, he who has stereotypes to self-regulate, then there comes a child, for example, he is on the playground in the middle of a lot of children playing that their parents worry a lot about socialization and I tell parents a lot that S that the story that man is a social being It's not quite like that There are controversies because we have to understand that each one has his personality he doesn't need to fit in because we have a problem with gifted people which is a huge overload of social

contact too And then this child arrives in the middle of a playground everyone is playing and running around he stops and looks at the Ferris wheel as it is that it works and then whoever sees it says there's an autistic person there , uhm, he's alienated and he wants to understand how that thing is happening, the process of that, his focus of attention is different, it's different And then all these mixtures of symptoms of the disorder with characteristics of Functioning giftedness ends up generating a very high number of Diagnoses, eh Uh, but mainly it was

created in education like this, the gifted person No, I'm the only one who is gifted on the Google page, if I don't see that boy with the tidy notebook, gifted, he doesn't write, he doesn't want to notebook because it has a perfect memory system it doesn't need like opening a screen and this thing that Apple is doing of putting a screen through glasses or gifted already has the screen that appears exactly accurate because the function of writing is Registration his registration is immediate So this confusion of differences in functioning ends up causing a lot of

confusion in the diagnosis so that's what we call there is the double exceptionality that is association of giftedness with TDH tea And other conditions dyslexia uhum and there is unique giftedness, let's say so and there is a separate disorder so much so that in neurodiversity TDH T are not disorders they are functioning, right? Just like giftedness, that's what So this condition brings about personality characteristics that when he enters this synchronous aesthetic system bringing exactly opposite which is a totally asynchronous system uhum because when a child is born all those born on the same date of

birth Let's think here in a clue here is the gifted the whole world a population of children who were born on the same date, this group here, which are typical children, were born within the brain pattern, they go along with those Milestones of involvement in Pediatrics manuals mde and such, this one triggers the Milestones of development, they take quantum leaps, I call it of quantum leaps Exactly, it's just that not even nanotime is exactly that, quantum leap, this leap they make is very different in relation to chronological age, so he is born out of place,

he is born outside of this chronological world, it is the first Impact, so when he enters at school he comes across a child, for example, as I have already assessed many aged 1 and a half or 2 years at daycare and then she gets there and starts seeing her classmates of the same age because the system is based on age in order to maintain synchrony. less work too, otherwise he can't cope with not having a standard, she arrives and starts to see, oh my God, he says everything, but his classmates don't speak, they still can't

understand what he says, the teacher speaks, he starts using very childish language and he already has a self-awareness a perception of a very heightened verbal understanding And then at that moment what comes comes enters this child's head, not rationally but as a natural absorption, it's wrong here it's me because I'm different here it's me Uhum And then this child, for example, at daycare It happens a lot, she starts to fit in, she starts to think no, I need to adjust And then we have a case of regression, not real regression but camouflage, the 2 year

old or 3 year old baby starts to fit in and starts to want what again he's already stopped using the bottle, sometimes pacifiers, pacifiers, diapers, he starts to change his language, he starts to talk like a child, he starts to want the uterus, the mother's cervix is ​​impressive because the world is hostile, right? Start thinking there, I need it, they will attack me, including me, this synchrony that happens at birth comes from genetics, I compare it a lot to a ladder with many steps because it indicates that each child that is born has different ages,

even an elderly adult, and he is born there with In a month's time, she'll already be months old, but there are some jumps in mentality, mental age, from 8 months to 1 year, to 2, or three. In intelligence tests, we see this measure when a 6-year-old child appears there and there's a table. which comes out of the performance that shows here in this cognitive group he is 16 years and 10 months in this one by group by cogn group this one he is 10 years 12 then you see this synchrony live and in color this

resonance I understand and here it comes since she was a child and this child grows up trying to adjust and the teacher starts Shut up, wait, your classmate, you're getting in the way And then she starts to feel inadequate, I'm boring, sure, no one wants me, no one loves me, no one wants me, what do I do? I'm going to do it for myself, it's so much so that we have very intense self-mutilation within giftedness and suicide as well, but it's not widely publicized among young children, including teenagers, because it's camouflage, Bia, it's very cruel,

it's clothes that don't fit, it's clothes that camouflage doesn't fit, that's what happens to the chameleon, he changes color but he 's a chameleon. Um, so that child, that adult, that's an adult, child, girls, in the research it was discovered that gifted girls and women, they suffer even more because of because of this cultural tradition that women cannot be more intelligent than how she stands out how she stands out she can't she starts to hear this about the professions and keeps muffling it she keeps muffling it and this camouflage What is the need that this

3-year-old child begins to unconsciously realize that I need to create several They begin to create several alternatives of personal identity So now she transforms, changes a color, and then reaches the moment close to adolescence when she asks Where am I, who am I, not her? essence is disfiguring it is totally mischaracterized mischaracterized Where am I where am I who am I that she adapts to live in those groups and she changes her characteristics so that she can adapt, changing exactly she creates so many identity alternatives so as not to be rejected, girls and boys but

Menin has a much greater predominance than later she doesn't think I already have V here of identity Exactly, I've already assessed cases of girls who have already come to their mother and said, Mom, I don't know who I am anymore, how I am, where I am I fit in and there was a case with one of the girls, one of which was very serious, at the age of 10 she started wanting to be a boy, it's not a question of homosexuality, you're talking about it, it was more of a camouflage, I understand within that, then

Endo, it was less bad to be gifted. masculine than feminine feminine because the world was already very hostile to her and she started to wear girl's clothes I'm a girl the mother panicked but all her history I knew that it was a very painful camouflage one of the camouflages because she used several would be the problem that she was umum the question was there it was just that it was her happiness that because then she found herself if she gave it to her she would be more accepted, right ? as a boy I'm going to

be easy on me She didn't see herself among the girls she which She thought the following if I don't fit in here I'll go to the opposite side Of course I must find something there, right Bia and you know what solved the problem of this child, this 2-year-old pre-adolescent, I pushed her ahead, which is throwing her ahead, because when you accelerate, which is something that the Brazilian system creates a problem that puts the parents, you do the following, this child like her there is this asynchronous age disparity from the moment they are born, you can't

put them in the midst of only gifted people, which is yes, because they are different from each other, there is already this thing, there is the spectrum of giftedness, giftedness is a spectrum, it's another thing Brazil doesn't see it that way, it isn't prepared to see why it identified gifted people Ah, it doesn't come into this box and then the gifted person, in the gifted box he doesn't fit exactly Because depending on where he is on the spectrum he starts to feel like the same alien he is sit among the gifted And then this child

starts looking for all these fittings and can't see the system, we do the following if we can't put them together with the gifted, which is a technique called a cluster, which is you organize by groups And then they live together, although they are different, but they see each other better, you try to reduce the mental age with the chronological age by the offspring within the group, you will put this into greater interest because she is, for example, 7 years old but she has a mentality of 8 9 10 11 up to 16 , which is

where the Brazilian test measures the maximum 16 and 11 months for her. So she has this ability to put something in between, but when she gets here she sees herself. That's when I say that the gifted ones climb a ladder, for example, a 2-year-old child arrives at daycare, it's as if she would go up like 5 steps and she would look there and say where is everyone uhum Where are the people Where is there no one because the schools are old boxes and he can't see himself there and he starts to feel an absurd loneliness

which is isolation of the gifted person within himself, this becomes an invisible struggle, something he cannot deal with and then frustration sets in. depression anxiety mental health problems which is anxiety existential depression which I think is harder Exactly what you are saying I notice this in the children and teenagers I have served throughout my life I have never identified them with any type of giftedness of depression as a disease but existential existential depression of the type like where am I going where I fit where I go Starting with who I am exactly where I fit

Now I also saw that those who had a better path correct me if I'm wrong it's just a empirical observation, yes, there are many, I remember that at the time there were no people we could go to Fulano, at least we didn't have this publicity where we could, like, are you Training professionals? So you recommend a professional in Rio another São Paulo didn't have that, we didn't have that and I remember that I used to hit them a lot, first of all, self-knowledge, forget about the others, let's see where you fit in. Pilar is and

I remember that there was one, I had extreme acceptance for them. So they had a very interesting relationship with me, there were times when he would ask me a question, I said, I don't know how to tell you, but we can look for an answer for ourselves, right? And then he studied, I studied and we exchanged and when they gained that security, they they became self-taught And then, my love, you saw a rocket go boom when you were giving security and they were saying, he said, but auntie, I can't get the teacher to say, I

said, why don't you study outside of school, oh I I said what do I do I said you go there and take the class you already know there was a time when there was that iPod It wasn't even the iPad it was the iPod and he could put a book on the iPod I said put a little something no one will see it and you're left Listening to him , perfect, I'll stay quiet and listen to my books, it wouldn't be a problem and he would arrive every week and say, I read five books, I

said it and then I said it, and the classes, no, the classes, they're still there, that, there, I've known for two years. ago Don't worry, he looked at the teacher and he lost his character, but knowing that he was doing what he was doing to survive and he was clean, no one knew he continued to have access and he surprised me even more that he signed up for several American universities, I said, boy, where You took that away, he said, there aren't any in the Universities, anyone who wanted to apply was there, they didn't need

to and he was sending things this 14-year-old boy from the United States called, come and do College, let's go here, then the mother arrived, how crazy is this guy? Now he told me he's going to the United States I said mom come on, have you noticed that he's a lot better than that, mom, I feel stupid next to him, I said great too, so don't worry, we're at the same stage but we're not going to stop the boy's process and this boy was and today lives very well, thank you, he has several companies in the

United States, he is married, he has children and he is super happy, now not everyone wins this issue of security to be an Auto ex You know why Bia depends on the ecosystem it depends on that which is around him is what we say therapy doesn't solve although therapy is Fantastic Why doesn't it solve it because it's inside the office he left there he enters the aesthetic system of the month Uhum So he needs a psychotherapy maybe prepare a therapy specific specific And appropriate for them, prepare them so they don't get lost in the world

so they don't stop being them. Therapy helps a lot, exactly, to create an identity so strong that it's capable of being anywhere, moving all the time, but you know the risk Alex that we have today, the majority of professionals, of course, who are excellent in the health and clinical areas, for example, psychologists, pediatricians, pediatricians, neuropediatricians, neuropsychiatrists, or pediatricians, they are the ones who have been around since the baby, yes, that's right. They see this giftedness that I said that this giftedness has to see what this boy does for him to be gifted and the question

It has to be different who he is what he has in his personality in the way he acts individually and often the gifted person in a classroom is the one who tears up notebooks that he cannot write because there is a cognitive synchrony with the psychomotor that writing generates an absurd mental effort that makes you feel nauseous. I did a recent live with a 10 year old child who said that he has musical talent as well and he said that he is looking to the teacher and composing in secret, he then showed how many songs

he composed for 10 years in secret because he feels nauseous and sometimes he comes home and vomits my grandson he told me that I wrote one with him as well as a teenager, 16 years old, when he was around 4 5 6 years old because he was always sick at school every day feeling something that I identified as anxiety but it wasn't pain he said it was pain then he said that every time he arrived he opened the classroom door he vomited this for a long time, the other one fainted at school, so these are

questions like how this system does it have this characteristic of ethers, if there is no new stimulus it remains synchronous And then you imagine the clash of two systems, one synchronous and one asynchronous, and this one Pass spends 12 years, which is the time of basic Basic Education , being pruned and told to shut up and he increasingly feels more inadequate. 1.0 Uhum And this Ferrari can't produce the power it has and this engine has been scratching for 12 years and there's a characteristic of gifted people which is Fatal, it's called boredom, wait, repeat, boredom,

wait and repeat, this causes most of the mental health problems that they they have because what is anxiety you Expert know is what you hope for that hasn't happened yet and they spend their lives waiting and what a recent study discovered it recent the recent conclusion yes 10 20 years they took children five and between 5 and 14 year old children and teenagers were followed up until they were 30 years old to see how this passage through the system would happen. And then what they discovered when they reached adulthood, that as adolescence, they gave up

on the effort and they identified it as an academic outage, exhaustion academic what I hear most from the mothers I serve is the word exhaustion I'm exhausted I don't know what to do anymore and then when you ask what happens to them when they grow up those who grow up and manage to overcome and those who sometimes don't even the majority ca n't do it, it's very cruel, a fight against your identity, it's cruel and as they have an intensity that is what characterizes real giftedness, it's intensity over excitability, super stimulability, that can't deal with

the asynchronous system And then the majority, then I tell you I answer the following Where are these children who grew up, they are the parents of the gifted children today that I serve and that many people attend to, completely exhausted because they are completely disembedded, disembedded and annihilated all the potential they had, Mainly the mothers, I sometimes eat I do a lot of online service, sometimes I have to disguise it because I cry when mothers start to talk about their lives and the life of their mother's mother, then I say, oh my God, it's a

lot of suffering in a condition that shouldn't be Suffering B, on the contrary, it is a gift if you think super I've always seen this super endowment for me it's a gift it's a gift it's a gift from the Universe to break some paradigms that we need to be broken they are the dividers of things I have a dream Zeni like that it's been a long time but I can't find any bank to sponsor this, right? Because it's a big sponsorship to have a stock exchange for talents and gifted people because if we can invest

it would be excellent for banks that are beyond functional because we don't have the culture of investing in potential, making this exact road, taking this road is stupid, it's stupid because if any super company, whether it's banks, whether it's a powerful pharmaceutical industry, whatever it is, has this vision that it's an investment for them, it's nothing, right? In terms of you taking a group of gifted people and giving them all the conditions to develop, it's the investment to perpetuate this bank, this industry because they will make the changes that need to be made in from

time to time because otherwise the best way for you to remain timeless is to innovate Uhum And what happens more or less, the technology industry brought some of these kids, but it is an industry that today innovates only for commerce, not for paradigm shifts, for example oo Face Instagram, it would be great if they had a Talent Bank to use much greater things that will benefit humanity as a whole, I'm not against them making their money there, everything is clear, but we have to think about a future that is very close, more and more ex,

more and more, right, technology makes us have to reinvent ourselves uhum maybe every two years at most. I used to say I have to change every 10 years to keep up, it's temporal with me, you know, that doesn't exist anymore today it's very fast if we think that the system and our cell phone currently updates every four months or six months, that's more or less the speed that is So I think it's an incalculable investment IMPA that Brazil doesn't see the model of the disability deficit I'm going to look at what the problem is so

much so that we have a serious situation in schools that schools want to get involved and then I talk about schools very calmly because I'm a believer there they want to get involved where they shouldn't getting involved, for example, telling the parents, it takes them to give them medication, takes them to take one, to calm them down at school, there are huge cases of wrong medication and then they start to I compare the gifted a lot to the Japanese carp Uh, the Japanese carp, where do you put it, it grows, right? That's a metaphor, it

grows according to that environment and then comes that very question related to homeostasis, the balance of what it receives from the environment for this internal organization, if our organism does not achieve homeostasis, the human being dies because he is completely dysregulated and this homeostasis with gifted people we can say that he is completely dysregulated biological homeostasis you bring together two resources which are the nervous system and the endocrine the nervous gives the signal triggers the endocrine wake up and turn around to fix the gifted, the analogy we make is the emotional system, the sensory system,

it's as if they were B without skin, they, all of us, without skin, receiving like a satellite dish all the stimuli at a speed of nanoseconds, also what a typical child, a typical adult, a typical teenager you get the message the stimulus stressed the trigger stressed the environment it has a time of arrival with giftedness This time is violent and the response of the adaptive Practical it is immediate for example already the high intelligence it already brings with these issues of giftedness of over excitability this super brain stimulation It brings physical health issues for example

stimulating autoimmune disease Certainly allergies atopic dermatitis there are I'm seeing children who have them the math class is not just the brain stimulation it's the whole organic stimulation, you know what Brazil doesn't understand that the brain does not control the body, so gifted people are just brains, their brains have a totally different physiology with different functions, different speeds, the body's metabolism of glucose is much faster to give energy to this gifted brain, they have sleep disorders, they need three 4 hours maximum and wake up fully So gifted children don't sleep they the body exhausts It

goes out but the brain is 24 hours Then there comes a time when the body suffers the body suffers but the body suffers even more depending on the stressful stimuli uhum to allergic issues allergic dermatitis a girl because evaluating the girl is A very big challenge that I evaluated A few months ago when she came in I had the first contact I thought to myself then I wrote because I write down everything even their breathing for me understand them then I said the first perfect gifted girl I've ever met in my life I wrote down

uhum at the end of the assessment I crossed it out for you because she came in like that she camouflaged it so well, 6 years old Bia, close to seven years old, she tricked me, she managed to make me If you wrote this sentence, then we started the process, the process is very human, it's very phenomenological, I say, right, then we arrived at the na na h of standardized tests because the preparation for this moment Wow, I play, they dye my hair, they paint my nails, I play, it's a hula hoop, then it creates that

confidence Ah, she's just like me, but it's so authentic that she transforms, then we played, she dyed my hair blue afterwards I went to teach a class with blue hair, I let people think I was crazy and then the moment came and I started to notice the attention. Then she said can you give me a coffee so I said could it be a hot chocolate because I thought a coffee for If an's child is no longer stimulated, right then I gave her a warmer hot chocolate even though there is no machine when she took it

she didn't have time for me to put it on the table she took it and drank half of it it burned her throat so I told my daughter For God's sake we have to wait for it to cool down she gives me some ice water so I got the ice water she said ice water will help it go away so she took a big sip of ice water before I thought she took the hot glass again And then I stopped and started, my love, tell me what feeling you had Why didn't you want to wait?

Then you started talking to us Bia Look at my despair, I'm neither a psychologist nor a psychiatrist Doctor Zeni I love feeling pain when I I'm at school and the teacher starts to explain, I take my fingernail and pierce the skin and she makes your little mouth start to bleed and I feel a pain that then she forgets about the other one, it seems like the brain of I said it but how? is that you are at school, tell me how you feel there she is, I am the best, all the teachers say that I

am the best student, then I despair and my parents also say that I am the best daughter, that is, 6 year old child is already completely camouflaged flav Uhum And then I started to pull some things from her she is in absurd suffering but she has built a cover that later I will have to take this discussion to the parents so we can understand better This one is for you seeing this level of getting hurt and feeling a certain pleasure with pain is a lot, it reveals a very high level of anxiety, it's not the

basic thing for us, it 's not op, it's much greater, it's much greater, as there are children who take their hair out and pull it out. About, you know, cases of some people who sit in class because there is a boredom button when they are in the room, there was a child who said, teacher, teacher, tell my mother that in 20 minutes I'm going to have a fever How are you going to have a fever, okay? pretending boy, I won't have a fever to leave PR home because when they have these intuitive brain leaps that

neuroscience states that the gifted brain is like a highway with a softened engine and the more they specialize, the more loved it becomes and the capacity to concentrate more information then they have a problem of excessive thinking and excessive internal intensity an internal boiling that sometimes manifests itself which is sometimes confused with hyperactivity at school because it manifests itself in the body and they do not consent There are students who cannot sit down and the teachers force him to sit down, he needs to have classes, doodling, drawing, composing music and there are some who can't

do that because the teachers don't let him, he would take the pencil, this is what the mothers and the children who evaluate him say, and he would stay like that on his leg, looking at teacher, when she arrived home, everything was bleeding, everything was open, another case, but that's what I think, putting it here from my point of view, I saw this happen a lot because then there's such a violent level of anxiety that there is this thing where when you in your body you causes some injury, mainly with blood and there is a rush

of endorphins which is anesthesia Look just momentarily, right, it's the worst discovery they make that they make intuitively so they know that it will give relief to that an And then they start picking more picking more they anesthetize them and they keep going and they keep going and it becomes very dangerous, very very dangerous ah ah there was a case of a child taking a math test with a compass when the teacher looked at him all bleeding he had already cut himself, all the result after all when the mother managed to take PR home to

the hospital and talk to my son about what happened, he made the worst discovery of his life at that moment because he said Mom, I discovered that the pain inside is relieved by the pain outside exactly 7 years old Bia, it was him, from then on he has to live under surveillance, everything has a logic for him that is very different from other children or other teenagers who practice this out of frustration, exactly, they don't want to die, Bia , they say, I don't want to die, I just don't want to live, and then you're

left thinking What is the same thing? I said, leave it to me, I took him out of school because I fainted a lot, sometimes he would knock at my door at 3 o'clock in the morning, grandma, You can talk to me now, I, of course, was going to work the whole next day, Of course, my love, then I sat down, we had a position to Sit down, he sat down, we crossed our legs in front of each other and I just listened like this, very dedicated listening, then He started counting, talking, talking, talking, talking, then

one time he said like this: V, I don't want to kill myself, I don't want to die, but I I also don't want to live, it's very difficult to live, Bia thinks, like what you say is exhaustion, cognitive exhaustion, emotional exhaustion is another thing, fitting into the typical world in the aesthetic system is the worst internal pain that can bring to a gifted person Uhum and He said I just don't I just don't know I can't live I don't want to live but I also don't want to die Uhm then I started to laugh because

I don't have Psychology skills I started to laugh very calmly as he already has me a welcoming one I said my son I stress don't commit suicide because have you ever thought if you die that day is what am I going to do with my life then he started laughing and that the next day he was very talented in music he composes, sings, plays, he was going to put together a video with his colleagues at the lake in Brasília, uh, what did grandma think, she's going to do something stupid in this lake, look Ah, you're

going to the lake tomorrow, you won't drown by drowning, right? This way, with this tranquility He laughed, don't worry, I'm not going to kill myself Because I don't want to die, I said, so we're going to agree on the following Every 30 minutes, 1 hour, you send it What's the message for me like this, hi uhum, I'm alive, I'm fine, you can rest assured that I I'm going to go back and I and every now and then the message on the cell phone would ring, right? Hi grandma Hi grandma, so it's a level of suffering

and he even mutilated himself, self-mutilated us, I saw the scratches, I said no, I just hit that I knew it wasn't Yes and what was the look of that school like for him when you started to have these perceptions, you're talking about something that was inside your house, right? And you have the experience there, even twice as much because it's your patient and there was the feeling, the emotion along with the emotion and you, as a specialist, being able to go to the school and show how this reception was And how were you able to

play this with the school and how was the school welcoming him the first time I looked for a concrete instrument which was Mat's test because he was brilliant in mathematics but he got a zero because he didn't answer any questions and he got a zero when he arrived, my man, he did this test all in his head, he already had the answer, he didn't want to write it, so I said my son, you You know you would answer this test, don't you know? I know, but it didn't happen, so I said, do you mind answering

for me, sit there quickly and write? even they would think that I paid someone to teach that I wouldn't know that much mathematics, oh I asked to speak to the teachers I said look at this test here I know you won't believe me but this test he did the same zero test on his own Then they corrected him, he hadn't got any question wrong, they looked at me suspiciously, right? Of course, I said, I know you don't trust me, but he did it alone, so I started showing it to them and it was a student

who they often called their parents or we ran because he was fainting in the infirmary uhum pressure 18 to 12 Total hypertension Total hypertension and there was no problem Sa but it's emotional dysregulation you do the adrenaline nor adrenaline load And then in a consultation with the neurologist that the parents took I said I want go and stay quiet there and listen, then he, the doctor asked me, what do you feel when you're in the room before you pass out, then he grabbed his little hand, put it on his head and said, the teacher starts

talking, then I start hitting the my head my head starts with a lot of things then I look at him I start to lose it then I don't see anything else it was time for him to stop the excess stimulation leading to blackout to total exhaustion and he says Maiar, the result is over I said I came to my son and said do you want a son with a diploma Alive or do you want a dead son not with a diploma dead mor Or do you want a son alive with or without a diploma Or

better or we can build a happy son ISO happy and Bia Alex not It's easy for an Educator who lived at school to have to take her son out of school, the pain in me was very great, right? So I agreed with him to take him out of school to rescue his very broken emotional state because the school system becomes very hostile because of this. because it is a system with this characteristic, it is very helpful, but they want that immediate solution, it takes them to bring a medicine because then it wo n't be a

problem here, but they don't see him as a separate individual, no, we have great difficulty in the system in distinguishing If he didn't have the structure of his Essence, he would see himself as an absolutely functional being and what is good for him, what is not good for him, like all of us, is knowing how it works and he has this conviction that I have seen many of my patients say exactly like that, I know that I am like that and I like to be like that when I arrived, when you realize that it works,

you love yourself and I remember that for one I spoke like that, man, it's beautiful to see you reason and I said, explain to me, there was one that was explain to me that physical thing about the wormhole that I went to see the film Interstellar he said do you understand I said I understood but you really understood I said I don't know now I'm in doubt can you explain to me what it is like then he took a piece of paper cut it out ok ok I I visualized everything I said damn Now I

understand then I said it like this it's beautiful to see your reasoning you can never stop being a beautiful Professor because you open up perspectives that we haven't seen that way it's brilliant the way he spoke like that you say because you like me I said my son I like everyone now not even to everyone I say look you really changed me the parameter of came you know I don't lie he said you really don't lie because I've already seen you say some things to my mother that I said like this, she's going to get

up and give it to her She's going to get up and give it to her, I said it but I've never spoken to Di, no, you speak very slowly, that's why I think she doesn't hit you, sure, it's nice to see I think I think it's beautiful, do you know what the basis for training a gifted person is for them to grow up healthy healthy within the yes validation of their identity they only need that because they don't need cognition and the school is deprived and the parents are also poor because they don't know what

What should parents do? Oh, he doesn't socialize, okay? I've never made a mother over- socialize her son . the others Ok, let him, do you want to see my despair when there are parents who talk like that, no, I forbid screens, then I, of course, have too much access, but I think like this, where does this little creature go to de-stress, no, access, and access to information, what he needs, where because the school doesn't give it, the parents don't have the conditions, they have a whole life of their own, they also don't have work, they

don't know what this child's life will be like, because the gifted person uses a totally different screen, he doesn't access nonsense, he wants to access in-depth of what he wants and he can't ex and he might like a little game I think we have to limit the little game because many go to the little game which is the moment of relief But even in the relief they have the competitive thing because they quickly want to know how the game works as it is easier to pass the other this should attract much more because the competitiveness

in the gifted is different from the competition with an opponent this former This competitiveness is his with he himself is like that I can't make mistakes Exactly that's why when they make mistakes they lose they completely deregulate whether with father or colleague they deregulate they become total and give they have a lot of emotional outbursts or implosions implosion comes Dermatitis vomiting fever temperature high that you don't see the origin of the fever a lot of physical illnesses that the origin is the neurophysiological system driven by an unadjusted giftedness so when they are within this regulatory

system that puts a lot of Cone in this power of this Ferrari for example that they they keep controlling this engine, they grow up, they are totally disorganized and the parents want me to receive a video because sometimes I take everything from the child's ecosystem to be able to arrive at a diagnosis, mainly differential, when I have to see if he is double exceptionality, which is always giftedness. is present with the disorder or if he is just gifted and such I don't diagnose separate disorders which in my specialty I just give the signs and then

when I go to do this they send a lot of videos I received a video of a child because homework and another was an English question, this one was about homework Bia, when you listen, of course I knew it wasn't but in the ear of a layman He thought this child is being exorcised, being taken over by the devil because this boy he screamed The hoarse scream from inside I said this scream is coming from inside the Soul Uhum And then I cry I get into something I say my God me the desire to bring

everything to me mother father boy I endi and this is me listening to that cry hoarse and he said, Mommy, I'm going to kill you, I'm going to take your computer, which was what your homework was on, and I'm going to throw it at your head, I'm going to break it, and he pulled it and she, what do I do? I told me a homework assignment. At home, it's the parents' situation where they encourage camouflage without knowing why homework is what, repetition of repetition, they spent a whole day there, a week and a month and

every day there's a little worse part of school, which is repetition because I Dev of is fixation for them for others it is necessary exactly comes the repetition When the mother talks like this my son doesn't cost anything to do I tell them it costs an identity because when the mother says what the mother does to protect him from being called attention at school don't lose P lose little star that oh my God he feels accepted within the group if he feels accepted in the group it ends up helping him fit in without knowing what

he feels like that I heard from many teenagers and children because you start with a child When adopting a 2-year-old, you think you're talking to a 40-year-old adult, right ? It forces you to do your homework, she's saying, if it fits in, it's better, exactly, it fits into the pattern that's best for you, it's going to give less est Uhum And there he already lives in a system that makes him live inside trying to fit into a pattern When he gets home, it's time for him to breathe, his parents trying to help, he says, he

doesn't do his homework, then another child dies, it was a question of English, the same crying, but this one, he was hitting his head, his head was hitting the wall at home, he was falling over Mom, this boy was crying in a rock, there he was with the test in his hand, he said like this, take this question from here, a question he got wrong in English, take it, I don't want to see it, but in desperation, that's what I put as the difference in the system. aesthetic which is, for example, a typical student, a

typical person projects a goal of achieving 80% in a test, in a gifted test, he already reaches 100, 80% in a test, then he scored 78% for an average person, 2% is nothing I passed the Average D will ask his parents for a gift, he will ask for a gift Above Average, which is six Yes, and this ordinary person will not Alex will never change his entire study habit behavior because of 2%, the gifted person changes because of the middle, yes, he goes into emotional dysregulation because there is a notification in the brain that says

you made a mistake, you failed, you failed, you know, when we give an example, I think like this because I don't drink, but women, when they drink a lot, put out a little bit of Milo, right, that's why it's easier to pay 1 than the more men Easy, then I keep thinking, is it comparable? You went to a work meeting, drank everything, did all the possible things the next day, you wake up with that heavy head, my God, what did I do, how am I going to face my colleagues? of flagrant that of flagrant of

of failure failure failure now I keep thinking that their emotional system is much more hyperactive, no doubt and I often medicated them not because I thought they were this or that but to reduce the excess of this this lack of emotional control of the limbic system is coming all the time Alarm because for them it is unbearable there is no time Bia what is necessary if we don't give something like this calm down alarm system has to have an alarm sometimes they are alarming for something It's as if it was an alarm clock that you

set to wake up at six and it starts at midnight then 1:30 fully regulated so many times I medicated children with high gifted abilities and I said I'm not medicating that's why I'm medicating as if I had putting a skin on hypersensitivity a special clothing because the sensory system is extremely vulnerable So everything is very big and then I remember what they were saying to me and they said like this I keep thinking everything I think but now that vacuum they were talking about a vacuum which is anguish which is anxiety the vacuum he does

like this there was one who did it like this I said like this it's the cold right in the stomach he said like this this improved a lot I said that then he said it's very good because it doesn't feel cold it's as if it were a cold all the time an internal internal thermal shock I've been thinking about this for 12 years so I think it changes because some people say this, there was a mother who said this, oh but my son went I don't know where at school he said that this medicine you

gave him is because he he's depressed, I said, it's not for him, maybe he doesn't get depressed due to excessive stimulation, so I say, ask the teacher to call me, I'll explain, she's reading the leaflet and I don't read it, bua, I read it, people understand, it's nothing like what you're talking about, so this is very important it is very important because that is what I say that the state has not yet realized what has been happening in society society state society in fact society as a whole because we have to follow a lot of

things let's see here the images that we have this your book, socio-emotional skills, that's what we're talking about, a limbic system that's super activated, right? If we don't start with awareness training, that's where I think it has to be a very specific therapy, it's not just that therapy of staying in the world mental Oh because that because that has to give a tool it has to give a tool because thinking they think all the time so thinking about a problem for them is for the love of God I already have millions here And this book

is in this sense of helping skills to control this as if it were an exercise, this book I wrote with this one with Paulo V, he is a philosopher, I only love philosophy, no, people have everything. For us, it's wonderful, wonderful, it's a time when we started working with parents and company employees so they could try to understand what their functioning pattern is, regardless of whether there has to be some neuro atypical condition involved, right? But what is their functioning pattern then we call it socio-emotional skills which is how you see yourself And how you

deal with triggers within the work environment Ah so this was for the corporate corporate environment and Parents at school, right I had it at school and for parents so they could identify themselves that they could also see themselves in their children and know the triggers that this is essential to teach, in fact, you deal with the i's and deal first, teach how to identify them so that they can be the support for your children exactly because literature brings something super interesting about giftedness, unfortunately when I talk about literature it's only outside of Brazil because Brazil

only talks about the talent of achievement, what does he do to be gifted, then I'll tell you the difference between high ability, which is the heel of Achilles uhum uh the literature brought up the following when they start to deregulate themselves due to an emotional trigger which because it says that the emotional trigger is when that stressed stimulus met with something that it identified with inside you it's like it was a callus in the limbic system ISO the thing is already programmed exactly according to that there and comes viruses exactly And then what we work

with the parents is what they say that these scholars said that there is an escalation of emotion uhum in this escalation there are several steps and that you have to be able to make the child, the adult, not the adult, already have a social filter, but especially children, they don't manage to climb the first step and this climbing the first step depends on this ability to deal with these emotional social issues that are the ones that most affect this system, you know, the sensory and emotional system as a whole, when this de-escalation that we talk

about when he climbs the first step, you can no longer control the child, then you have to let it go, the alarm system has already been given and automatically, the body will do it until the end and then comes that brain midra thing, right ? of pressure on the child all the time, and when you start to identify the first signs, you can take it off with your hand, you know that the grandmother said take it off with your hand, you often get this when the parents prepare themselves, they also know each other, they know

what Its function is to remove that child so he doesn't climb the first step And then after he climbs, just leave it there so he doesn't hit him, he doesn't get hurt, he doesn't get hurt and everyone has their own way, some want a hug, others don't even want you to touch them, do you have I need to know all these reactions because otherwise you become more irritated and then after it's over I always say this, people don't call right away, let it rest because the discharge is great when it passes Bia comes the associated

feeling of guilt immediately Because there is also a condition within this gifted person neurodivergent, that's how he deregulates himself and he's right here looking like you're exposing yourself, it's like that's it, so he sees himself doing all that but his inhibitory control doesn't work And then he goes to the ultimate consequences let's say like this within that school environment uhum to end because he can no longer control it is something that starts and goes to the end when it ends then comes the compulsive crying I love you when it's with mom I love you mom

saying sorry forgive me That's when I tell my mother a lot that I suffer a lot more with this second moment than with the I prefer the explosion than the feeling of guilt because the feeling of guilt accumulates and it becomes more of a trigger for camouflage because he says I don't want to see my mother my father suffered so PR so he starts to guard himself even more then when it explodes sometimes a health problem that you don't even imagine has a relationship with for sure so you need to avoid it and to avoid

it you have that identifying there the trigger is coming The end of the trigger takes him out of that Vita experience getting to the end the most effective assessment of a neurodivergent condition of the Super who is gifted is talking about how he works how he sees the world who he is in this world what he is like his sensory system, his emotional system, for example, has data in an intelligence test that psychologists apply called icv, which is an index of verbal comprehension, this index of verbal comprehension shows the proportion of your understanding of reality

and understanding of concepts and abstract stimuli, so it's as if this boy's brain is like an open antenna and he needs to talk talk talk talk he talks compulsively because thoughts are compulsive, right? In a good way, truth, speech expressing the storm of thought, the storm of thought and It's a child, an adult, an adolescent who needs to talk talk talk talk a lot and he's a child who, for example, a student, he doesn't need to look at the teacher, he doesn't want to look and there's that story that if you only pay attention to

me if you're looking at me but they don't need to look, they even need to keep moving, moving, moving to be able to occupy the other Stations because their brain is a Hub, there are several Stations working at the same time and for them to have focused attention, they you need to occupy the other Stations, yes, and then, for example, you see a gifted boy that I tell parents like this, people, the entire technique, positive discipline, positive psychology, the entire Sleep technique, it was created from typical to typical, they are excellent, but they they don't

work with a brain that has the opposite way of functioning because as soon as he realizes the technique he says hmmm, that's it, from then on it doesn't work, mothers get frustrated, that's it, I paid and I didn't learn how to do it Uh, then when they start to get into this system, this agony In this deregulation, the technique won't work, so they need it in the icv, which is this verbal understanding, they need to de-stress in some way and they de-stress by talking and that's what the school wants the most for the boys to

shut up the quieter the better quiet You 're already It's wrong, right? And then they start it inside and their thoughts don't leave them alone, that's why they bang their heads, sometimes they pull their hair because sometimes mom comes, it's interesting that mom is walking around the house and he's behind mom because Pluto because I don't know what because the black hole because I don't know what Then she says I can't take it I'm exhausted I said he's not talking to you he 's talking to himself you just need to listen he says It's really

my son Oh it's okay, it's okay like, wow, give him a wow, but it's exactly within a context, you don't need to interact with him, you continue doing your things, but every now and then you look at him and make contact, wow, and let him talk because they talk about Ecstasy, that's how they talk he doesn't even get better , right? Then it's a Rivotril, then he relaxes and they have this boy, the father sent the video and said Doctor, what should I do? food was the only way he ate, then he played here, kicked

the ball, went to the wall, came back because the kick was very accurate, kicked , he looked here at the video game, kicked the ball, got a spoonful of food, then he said what should I do, I said, leave it alone That's how it works because he was only able to eat like this Uhm, then she said this, do the following, come to an agreement with him, agree my son, let's do it like this, with each kick of the ball you put a spoon in your mouth, synchronize this movement, chime, that's it, ready for him

to eat wonderfully exactly, but sometimes she wants that standard of the little child who goes to grandma's house and sits and then he will be different and then she doesn't want it and then conflicts and much greater shame begin that she goes through criticizing her mother who can't limit mother suffers atypical mother suffers and Alex because everyone talks about the mother problem is the mother's fault there is no limit no and the limit they need It's not that limit they need lack of limit They are already too limited in excess exactly perfect So In this

book, we have this thing about triggers, which is fundamental, identifying triggers is fundamental , but especially in this one, our work was to make the person know what their pattern is, because Bia, if they don't know children, how it works, there's no point. messing with the child exactly the parents the parents how am I going to deal with tiv exactly the parents changing the behavior but it has to be authentic because gifted people have an empathic connection that they perceive completely and it is one is the sense of justice of coherence you said you said

there is no relativization, then comes the rigidity similar to autism, don't negotiate, it ends up deregulating when children are disorganized, so they need that stability, for example, and ritualistic behavior, they need to see an organized external world. It's ritualistic behavior, you can be autistic too, right? I'm putting this in the Perspective of Giftedness And then what's going on in his mind? a predictability because otherwise it turns into anxiety and then chaos sets in and only comes with tragedy Because all thought, like they have that capacity for very great great refined logic so put together 2

+ 2 plus 2 comes the result they TM a capacity for anticipation that has nothing to do with paranormality has to do with logic with logic causes consequence a greater speed of logic that they go very far Then no one can keep up and when the time comes all this disstructure Uhum here comes chaos of the concept in Brazil of high abilities giftedness which is no difference in Brazilian legislation because there was actually high abilities is a mistranslation because and what came from the translation if it is high ability because giftedness it is not ability

it is ability yes then she is a potential high capacity that is born al capacity uhum skill is not in Nat you train you can have a high skill if you have passion for an area train a lot I can train a lot and increase my skill this is within the theory of expertise of development through deliberate training deliberate practice yes and then there was a war in Brazil a while ago which is high ability giftedness, right the MEC man, let's put both together, it ended up being synonymous with high ability, high abilities or overcoming

would be High, high capacity would be high capacity It would be more interesting , appropriate, what happened earlier, this leads to what to do . I don't see the giftedness in this student and the parents. Wow, but it's not a disease, it's very clear that it's not a pathology, it's just a very intense cerebral excitability and an intensity because a gifted child is a child with everything enhanced because as it's a neurodevelopmental condition that occurs in cognition and cognition is the functioning of Intelligence extrapolated there de tiou of the deregulated Ali of the standard, right,

for them this is not a problem but he starts to receive the shocks, right, so when you say high ability it refers to school something so he has to do something very well because ability is something that if you don't see you don't know that the person has uhum and giftedness you can't see because if you try to see you will see the disorder which is what happens at school this paradigm that we have if the student does not fit into the stereotype he has a disorder he is not gifted that is where all the

mistaken diagnoses come from too but although there is double exceptionality which is another assessment challenge you can imagine a brain with only two areas in automatic functioning one has a power and the other has some lock Because the functioning of the TDH and tea is not a problem, it is a function of the person, but what we observe in this differential diagnosis is that some cognitive components work at high power but have a or another thing that's what about TDH or tea or dyslexia, which isn't even that he lowers it, it's that he feels the

brake when printing for execution Uh, there's that feeling of impotence that affects adults and children alike he feels like it's because I can't handle it because he knows that he knows the answer, for example, but it's a speed of execution that sometimes gets a little stuck, it's like it's an engine that's missing a little piece that needs it. school a regulation Zinha and the school just wants to look at this side which is exactly where the school does not have the technical capacity because the absurd capacity that the school has is pedagogical and it is

this capacity that it needs to look at in Double exceptionality because giftedness is this side challenging that he needs to work on this issue of giftedness because giftedness often masks the disorder and sometimes the opposite happens then you have in the differential diagnosis which sees what the key is, for example I always say what came first which came first I I say there is something called HPP, the past pathological history, let's see from the baby who was born first who was born first because the essence is that it will tell me determine if it is

giftedness if it is TDH if it is teia because the rest will come later if it comes if it is not the consequence itself What is the base diagnosis there n base what that brings together what that what that first manifested like this, right, and we see this happen like this, a lot, and I see a lot of gifted people end up developing rituals that aren't touch, uhum, but it's confused, then you'll see why the touch profile is also an independent worsening, you don't treat the touch. gifted, not if you start to treat and give

this Essence this security he tends to get sick Wow, he changes there from one day to the next, it's difficult, there are things that are all there in the, as you said in the development, right, of the nervous system, mainly, but it requires a subtlety and a humility to keep an eye on I've had children that I sent for the nanny who was already retired to say that whoever stayed with the nanny was the nanny called Nanny No but she's very ignorant it doesn't matter I'll ask someone There's a way she'll know how to answer

me, so I asked like this, drooling and talking, See, this boy lived in some strange ways, I don't know, doctor, it was hours and hours and there B would even forget to eat, so this one gave me everything I wanted because he really had both things and she said this happened, that didn't happen, that didn't happen, that didn't happen, mother said no, mother didn't have that, she said, look Don so-and-so, let me tell you, you didn't stay at home, that was it at that time, ma'am and so-and-so there were always slaps there during the Separation,

the boy The boy The boy got nervous, so the woman said so, let me let her talk, then she's fine, Doctor, if you need me, I'm always here for you Look, simple people got there, you knew how to ask the question, I said, Look I need you and then she was already sitting in the chair, right, like, I said thank you very much, I think I'm going to need you, keep my phone, I became friends with several caregivers, nanny, hello, I already discovered a piece of the puzzle because for the differential diagnosis you have to

put together a huge puzzle swimming teacher I have to listen to the English robotics of the boy who plays in the street the driver of the guy who sells snacks at school I have already discovered pieces in a story from the swimming teacher but there was a piece that I was like, oh my God and now and now and now you know where in a sentence from this child's grandfather's grandfather not from this child's great-grandfather when I read his story I said oh my God I got this piece it put it there it fit That's

what I'm talking about work, you have to be very attentive and you have to have the patience to talk to everyone with the popcorn player at school, if that's the case CSO, right, but for us to differentiate next time, Bru, this one is another book, right, creativity and a transdisciplinary perspective Wow, Bia, the story of this book, this one, it was endorsed by Unesco, you know, they liked it, it was my research [Music] for my Master's thesis, which became an epistemological war when my supervisor arrived and said like this, Ozeni, my blood pressure is already

at 17. I said because of me because of me , my God, because that's how I was, I was following within the giftedness in the master's degree with a supervisor who is an expert in the area of ​​giftedness included. called because I already knew myself from my professional life in the area to be my advisor, then she arrived and she is from that paradigm, then she reached a certain point when I started to present the versions she said no here, no, no, this author, you take this author, you take this author, which are all the

authors I talk about, that there is an academic endogamy, an endogeneity Uh, everything revolves around that, you can't leave and I couldn't, I can't stay in the same place. It's been a war since I was born too and I started but professor More of the same, right, look at the boredom, oh no, and to write about that, I brought Freud from browsk at the time, Numia Filó, philosophy improves our psychological understanding, the functioning of Neo science, it's absurd, physics, I brought physics, which I don't understand at all, but physics Binha, you can reason, this is

from biology, which is from physics, and Freud, he talks about the epistemophilic drive, the epistemophilic drive, I said it, folks, Freud described the gifted because exactly what they have Alex is a drive to learn ex and that it doesn't become a compulsion you need to feed this drive back because otherwise it will expire like a thirst for knowledge thirst for knowledge would be the translation of this drive thirst and he can have all the symptoms of lack of food and water because if this girl is not fed, she is fed then Eh, I started to

bring Freud, she is crazy, then it started, it started, Look at the paradigm shift and what is seen with this one with this one. this one, when there were three months left for qualification, I was in this fight, epistemological fight with her, fight, fight, she arrived and called me and said, I'm not going to guide you anymore because I lost confidence in you, then they think the gifted person says you 've lost confidence, I went into despair You said again, I failed, I failed for my father, now you're going to send me out of home,

which is why if Zezinho was still alive, he said, he's right, he sees, then I went into despair and she wouldn't look at me, I said, teacher, look at me, I need to know. because trust is a very serious thing, it certainly came from your character, it was something that dismantled me because the thing I care about most is coherence, I already had a priest who said that I have too much conscience, what do you call him? there's a name there, it said that my daughter makes a little mistake, she does something stupid exactly, please,

please the priest for you to help yourself, then she came to me and said and she didn't look at me, I said, look at me because if you are, ma'am, why She was almost 70 years old, don't tell me what I did to lose trust, you're going to end my life, I need to know this because no advisor won't want me anymore because what advisor will want me for TR months and a person who lost confidence, did something stupid, so I felt like she's not, I'm not going to do it, it's because you used authors

and you stopped going to my event to go to the event of the so-and-so who was a professor of complexity and trality that I saw the whole point of broke the paradigm You went to the event and then I saw it at that time I thought vanity ego vanity ego exactly then I left the room I cried like that and I was walking outside crying crying then I went to cancel you the secretary didn't let me say you won't do it will you next one will leave In a week if you come back wanting to

cancel I can do it but now you're not in a position to think so I went and I was like what do I do what do I do so I wrote an email to my teacher of transdisciplinarity and complexity there at the university, I told her I told her what happened so she wouldn't think that I was the worst student or that you were an unreliable person, exact trustworthy character, then when she saw it, she already met me because she had already done several she said, I'm going to get you, come on, I'm going to

get you ready, then I said oh my God three months ago, then she said to me like, look at Zen, but you need to help me, I don't understand giftedness, if you find something that's there close to giftedness that I can help you because the advisor has to understand something about the student's research, if you find it, I'll accompany you then I said, ready, creativity, you help me because I've always had creativity in my life since I joined. in the classroom for the first time, you know, 19 years old, Bia, no one knew who the

girl was, who the student was, who the teacher was, the first time, then she said creativity, I said creativity, you can, then I went to look for her, as she already had this mentality, she helped me there. I went looking for authors of creativity who broke paradigms that brought about this thing about endogeneity, endogamy, then I started this research Think of an animal I said that I totally got into the flow of miale, it was 3S months of eating my husband He was putting the plate, he was taking it out, a glass of water drinking

glass hair a lot of books and listening to music music I heard that rock music it was rock oh what do people call it classic something listening to that rock in my ear and I was doing writing writing and she said and it has to be research theoretical because you can no longer have a participant so I went there and investigated everything possible about creativity because I wanted to prove that if creativity changes the world it brings flexibility for you to see perspectives from another point of view because she never did anything at school she

never changed so I went to bring everyone what was my question what do they have in common all the classics, then I looked for all the most famous and classic authors, I did a whole categorization, such and such, I showed, proved, they all say the same thing in different words, that's why the system hasn't changed, it's the aesthetic one, right ? For example, they don't even see a new stimulus, nothing comes in in this system Uhum, then I started and then I found two authors, Mial and Saturnino De La Torre, then he came to my

panel that he is a Creativity Expert and he said that he felt psychographed that I discovered something in his theory that He didn't even know, he said, I didn't, I had never seen it that way, it was a creative interpretation, creative interpretation, right? And in this research, I broke a paradigm at the university because the thesis and dissertation have to follow a protocol, I already started with the Joari window. Uhm, it's the same in the thesis, I already started with the Argonauts, then he sent it to me, so I did it, I wrote my life

story, there's Saturnino's opinion, and when I sent it to her a month ago, a little bit about the day, she said No, you're going to have to, you're going to have to take it out because you wrote a thesis, you didn't write a dissertation and I can't fight with you with all the classics of creativity because you simply dismantled it with a lot of reasoning Because she said the worst thing was that, you dismantled the history of creativity, not by proving that it's not just that, it's not just that, there's much more, that then I

brought all the concepts and said that imagination, ideas was not creativity, innovation is not creativity, I was I tried it with a lot of literature Then she said you're going to have to my my my my my my blood pressure is already 17 Because she said she was going to have to fight a lot when this was published because I created trouble with the classics that I didn't even know Yeah but no I know if trouble is the possibility of us starting from another angle, seeing creatively, look at how the system is pre-established, it's difficult

to move, move, right, move to others, and then I said F, teacher, I already had to go back once, I won't go back to the second one If you don't, if I have to erase half of it and fit this one in I'll stop, I won't do it anymore then there was a philosopher on my panel who I also invited who is a philosopher, right, he has a head, he said he can't let me invite him the possibility, he said, you can let me talk to her, that's it. Okay, I went to the panel and

it was an incredible thing that I said, it's the synergy of the universe, this great one, the university brought him, right, Saturnino Dea Torre, when he was entering the corridor, he found this teacher which came from the previous one when she saw it he said my god Professor Saturnino you are here because she is a specialist in creativity also you here what it was is a conference that I don't know about it is one then he said no I came here to participate in a student's panel which was in 31 years of doctoral thesis ban

it was the best thesis I have ever read in my life then she Wow but who is this student when she said Zeni my friend who had picked me up at the airport she said Zeni I needed to have filmed it so you can see how she looked and he put a lot of this in that he didn't know it was her so he said esp totally spontaneously so much so that later I became the translator of his books in Spanish without knowing Spanish Uhum he I knew how to read I understood what he meant

exactly what he wanted to say, that said teacher, I don't know Spanish, I don't speak Spanish, but you know me, you know, it's wonderful, right? He went there when he left, until the dissertation and everything there was a teacher there who was from Unesco Professor Célio dac said let's not let's publish How cool And this Saturnino he took as a basic book on creativity he says every researcher needs to read this book book before closing the research because it was a rupture, right, because I bring all the concepts is so much so that a friend

told me about Zini, I read that book of yours but I couldn't understand it, I didn't think it was a concept of creativity, I said, so you understood exactly that there's no way to tax, taxing isn't taxing, it's not ta Chado, I created an ecosystemic perspective to say that because she is human, she is within herself. Just like giftedness, she is creativity, it is as if she were another neurodivergent condition, for example, right, it is not, but it is as if it were, This book represents this change of perspective, even from paradigm to paradigm again,

then my supervisor said she never asked any student, she never got into any student book, but she said, I can get into yours, I was very proud, I said, of course you can, right, she did. the chapter Maria Cândida lives and was included in this book, a good thing, what a good thing So this book, it is my liver, it is mine, it is viceral bag, it is what translates you the most, translates me, it is this book and now I am writing it and Saturnino too and now I'm ready My thesis will also be

published, it's already been accepted, I'm finding time to study literary language, I'm already at the conclusion and the thesis is bringing about a huge disruption in giftedness because there are these 10 participants that I researched to show that giftedness is not nothing that we are nothing like you are thinking and there is a spectrum and there is the spectrum mainly there is no cake recipe there is no cake recipe I think we will get into the issue of the spectrum Yes, I think we will we have to review this, right? Because I think that you

identify you can no longer compare gifted individuals with typical individuals because they have already entered a spectrum where they already need to be compared with others and it is not a comparison like that, status. a concept not so that we can have a greater possibility of helping, knowing the size of the Help, the size of the mental food plate, for example, ex exact, for you to know, for example, when it enters this spectrum, we need to know what is the university school suitability after --graduation what he needs is not to do a totally individualized indual

planning if you have two gifted twin children they are different my love totally different totally different not including the IQ including the abilities are different different they cannot be identical exactly physically but even univitally inos, that's what they call univital inos, they are identical, we talk about identical and that's how you see the future of our education today, you as a researcher and always fighting to bring this content into a school, guidance that you see in this future, based on what you have read and research Alex, today I see the education of the principal the

way I saw it when I first set foot in school at the age of 19 in 1979, people, don't count, please n 1979, my first foot in the classroom is, I see the very same education that I already questioned a lot because I was a teacher, very generally, the director sends the student, I was a teacher who was called by the director in her room to tell you why my students didn't They line up and it's rational that AC their students were the school's standouts, they line up so I told this boy to line up,

so I left the room, they came after me, we saw a little flower, look here, auntie, look here, and then it went in front of me. around there I said look, you just don't disappear Okay But let's go together they didn't ask to go to the bathroom so why does someone have to announce that they are going to the bathroom to the whole class I understand I can go to the bathroom Look at the embarrassment so he already knew it agreed When I left one I already knew go to the bathroom I'm going to breathe

and he always came back and everything was ok, well if it was just breathing there wouldn't be a problem exactly so and then and I always broke the content level, for example the first series I could only learn up to 100 my students went to 1000 200000 then she called me ozini you can't do that because these boys will be hard work in the second year I said but they can handle it no they can't handle it You're crazy you these boys you're going to make these boys go crazy He's not, no, I've always been

called to the direction, I understand, my God, for me to correct myself, then one day I was called to the num, then returning to your question, otherwise there's too much history, Alex, how do I see education today as a closed box with a zipper? Nat sealed and that inside that box there are typical and atypical people and these atypical people are debating intensely inside that they need oxygen and not only them because the system is a standard he doesn't see any difference but I understand that the system needs to be a standard because a system

has billions of students millions of students So there has to be a common National base but this common National base for children who are below average and those who are Above Average it will not fit in Because they are in a place where they need to follow these here I need to bring them to the average and these here I cannot bring to average So what teachers need to do immediately is Believe in a potentiality that came from the factory But this potentiality also brings many challenges that exactly Because it is out of place, right?

typical chronological world they don't they don't work chronologically they get sick when they enter the chronology so eh and and the teachers they need to see it this way for example mathematics but it's not that gifted is gifted in mathematics there is no gifted in there is gifted the question is logic logic Mathematics teachers' ability to establish logic if they understood that they didn't need to demand the Esso Look what a thing that seems simple and don't take away points when he gives a certain result and he doesn't need the process that requires him to

think like him It distorts the functioning, it's as if the teacher took a screwdriver, opened that child's brain and tried to connect wires that don't connect and they get out of whack when the teacher does that, they think, don't trust me, I'm different Uh, I disrupt the world. then comes all that emotional overload against his identity then our system if he doesn't change In fact he doesn't need to change everything but he needs to have an individualized look at these two poles the two poles exactly lead there exactly because giftedness is not that they are

more intelligent than others is that they have an atypical intelligence because we have very intelligent students who are not gifted if to differentiate this here comes this whole history this story in detail exactly minute Bru close to your immersion the synchrony the fight invisible of the gifted Ai Bia Now I felt like crying, my love, because Cry Here we don't repress anyone, we just give the tissue, want a little more water, of course, take a little water, we don't repress here, the people here cry, okay? don't feel out of place because everyone who sits and

cries I don't know what happens I think it's this table so it can be facing you booing us hello us V Our history in our life positive cries you can be sure that we If you feel so welcomed here, no, we will never say, don't cry, it doesn't exist here, it's not part of a process of joy, it's not a pain for us to see, right, when we look at a book, it's a trophy, we see it like this, isn't it? it's a digital book that will become an ISO immersion behind this scenario there's that

little girl who's seven years old Uhum that her father wouldn't admit she made mistakes Uhum And look how cool it is because if her father hadn't done that this immersion wouldn't exist so Zézinho Wherever you're talking about I told you that I did it for your good, I said I wasn't going to get less than 100 Exactly, this immersion is like a Catharsis of my entire life, I did an edition in Brasília the next time It's going to be in São Paulo now. Uh, my, like it's a collection of my entire life story, uh, so

much so from my students, because for example, when I set foot in the classroom, I wanted to find everything, I said. They need to give their all. Also, my life has always been a lot like that with them, I need to get the best out of them, so much so that I never called a mother to tell her that her son has this and that problem because I thought the problem wasn't the boy, it was I understood that I wasn't capable. to get the best out of him, get the best out of him, so I

never called, every time I called, it was to praise because I only showed the good side, even though I had that, and on the challenging side, I even made a deaf child, I tried to teach him how to reading without knowing anything, not only did I get as far as I was allowed in my relationship of not understanding communication, deafness, communication because I didn't admit that as a teacher I couldn't have 100% approval and I always had Bia, that's something I'm proud of. I have, but because I did it, I gave my blood, but every

child had to get that voice from my father, in their own way, in their own way, it's so much within the power of each one at that moment, exactly, so much so that Once they called me to a position because after they called me for a position, I wouldn't release it anymore because I was the only director who stayed from 6 am to 6 am almost at school. They called me for a position outside of school. One day they called me there and said, oh, Zenir, you're going to have to come here I said why

do you know your class from last year is with the teacher today I said ISO come come and see what they are doing they are all outside with signs saying they are not going to enter the room with this teacher, if she doesn't change her attitude, then I said, what do you mean, come here, I left, I went to school, when I got there, this Toquinho in the second year of school, right, everything with a sign, we want Aunt Ezen, we won't go in, I said, people Calm down Let's talk then they took down the

posters we went in to have a chat to find out what's going on the first thing teacher she wants us to go back to the sticks you know we already know how to do math so I said What do you mean the sticks not her want us because she was starting the way she starts the second year and I had already gone a long way and by the time they weren't even gifted there was gifted there in the middle but the whole class Tur the whole class and she then I said then I looked like

this for the teacher to deal with them because I'm not angry because they're being challenged, peonada desf and she was an excellent teacher traditionally, right? Do you mind just explaining how you're giving them mathematics so I can understand what they're saying, she shouldn't do it? Then she started doing it, right? You know, how do you go back to pre-history PR for men who are already in technology? technology has already discovered fire, it has already discovered the wheel . I arranged the room, one chair after another, he They asked, Auntie, you're not going to work today,

I said to you guys, then I understood why we always sat down and so on, it was a lot, this is so much so that today there is one who is an activist, another It's already there in the creation of Rebelde, everything Rebelde, so I've been putting my whole life together trying to see this and I've been bringing up why it's called synchrony like that because it's the synchrony in the gifted that is the most intense fight and the most painful fight that It's the one that starts when it comes out of the belly, in

fact, inside you need to see The reports of the pregnancy of a mother who hits her belly, then the baby responds with her foot in the same rhythm, hits it again, just like that, then she thinks there's an animal in there, man God, what is happening incredible reports from the belly They already when they are born The Hyper excitability this limbic system is already responding Much Beyond Much beyond so when they leave the belly he already leaves like this looking for something looking for what you say this boy already born at 7 years old, it

is asynchrony and at that moment the baby, how do we distinguish between a baby who was born gifted with prognoses that came to cause and one who is not gifted, compulsive crying has already had ubia for 3 hours straight and a case that the pediatrician He went to his mother's house and said, look, I'll never be able to stop a child from shushing, I know how to do it because you don't know. In short, he took the boy, he went for a walk, then he came back with the boy crying in the same tone, then

he said, look, I went to the park. I went, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know what to do, that's what they are born with, this phenomenon of asynchrony is totally ingrained . of the identity that I did and that was what inspired me, it was my son who suffered the most uhum with this the consequences of a not not typical mother is a not typical Explosive mother ahem that I still didn't understand how to deal with, right and he gave me helped to build this The day he decided Let's do an immersion

because then what happened to his children, his grandchildren and we started to have this project together and he also started to change his behavior and see that, you know, it worked uhum and then we built this immersion Why immersion because it's an event where I'm the only speaker because it's not really a lecture so I start with raising awareness by bringing people in because generally those who go are either suspicious or superd are out of control or is it a professional Because there are professionals in Pediatrics, psychiatry and audiologists. Many parents also deal with it,

or who have this experience, or who have children, or who are going through pain, as well as teachers, and there are those who are curious, they don't let you know what this is, right, and they end up discovering themselves there too, yes, it stops, it's as if they delve into this, you know, from within it and I pass on the knowledge, it's totally based and that's what I say, it's not about academic knowledge, the studies I do, I've always done, are of scientists because the scientist goes there and puts it on magnetic resonance imaging. Look,

the brain is different from the academic one, right? Although the academician also has all his power, I'm an academic. What happens there is sensitization, there is a lot of crying, can you imagine I cry, I imagine collective crying in this immersion, this immersion, the person loses weight because they become dehydrated, I'm going to take a psychiatrist to her, she gets out of there, everyone gets out of there, at least 1 kg less Of course, dehydrated Look, there's that being sponsored by water by water by water means you don't need to cry to get to know

yourself because here I go, bringing all that basis brain functioning works to the impact of giftedness on the physical organism organism how the parents talk How the professional for example the psychologist who does the therapy because if he takes CBT, which is wonderful, it was created to work, but for typical people, it's perfect, when it's for super boos, it's going to be bad, Alex, because it doesn't fit, that's what I always try today to explain that we can having the theory we can follow a line But we always have to look at the individual, it's

just like you're in a classroom, you have to look at that person as an individual, what's good for one won't be good for another. Go to this CBT thing, even though I'm a CBT person, I've always adapted very well because I go according to my patient's needs, not based on theory, the technique is never applied to everyone, we have to have this humility V some of my students Professor Why is this happening, right? I have today, I only supervise one person today and she always comes but because you are coming in theory, you are not

going there in the eyes of this patient exactly for you to do the book or the manual, no and whoever is there in front of you is not the protocol, it is the person, it is the same thing when you, the psychologist evaluates, applies the standardized tests, he evaluates the protocol, he does not evaluate the person because you see that it cannot be one more element of When you do the interaction, CBT has a very fantastic thing about wanting to look and at the end of the session make a report and such, you have to

be very careful because sometimes that patient, if you keep putting him too much to relax, he won't come back because he sometimes needs to talk talk talk exactly so you have to see what he's doing What's the combo What's coming from there and if the psychologist doesn't know how that gifted person works like that P you're not going to lose Alex O what about children who manipulate the psychologist child per adopted PR try to get discharged they go and manipulate them they come home laughing one day my daughter when I couldn't find any psychologist she

went to several so I went to Zen try one psychoanalyst, then she went to the psychoanalyst, on the second day she came back bursting into laughter, I said what was my daughter, she still young mother that guy is crazy he said that I have to kill my father kill my mother oh literally imagine with a child it would be literal lit literal he's saying how am I going to kill my P I think it was, right Yung who said that he treats all people use all the techniques but when it comes to dealing with human

beings, be it another human being in front of another similar human being, it's not exactly like that, we love Because I'm terrible, there's disle, I'm P memorizing names, I have it, it's approved , so this happens from so much at so many times, uh, it's two intense days, it starts at 8 am and goes until 7 pm the other day, also amending what I really wanted was to be able to be in a place where everyone could sleep where everyone was mine together and so on, but it's still not possible so it stays. It's two

days and in those two days the baby comes from the womb to the adult and I had one of the very beautiful testimonials that came out, it was like this Doctor, I left on Sunday and canceled my appointment at the Psychiatrist on Monday because I was already going to the fourth psychiatrist and I discovered that I'm not broken, that what I have is not a disease, that what I have is a functioning thing Psychiatry is not to treat illness, it is to treat people who can never, my entire team, I speak, stop, want to do

the diagnosis, do it for yourself, if you ever need to, write a report because you need health Ok, but other than that, I want to know the essence, wine, speaking. OK, you don't understand I want to know what the essence of this person is, that's the primary diagnosis, then you come to me with the props, which is important, but I want to know, Essence, first, the essence, so I said, what's his personality, what do you mean? I don't know, I don't know, profile What are his biggest characteristics, what are the triggers that make these things

happen ? who I am now, I say that not even the Menin, everything is a doctor. Today I have a very small team because I can't do it. It's so much that I. My overload is because I still can't let go. Because how difficult it is to have people who look at people, exactly that, now it needs knowledge needs another point everything is relative no not everything is relative you have to have a lot of knowledge if you don't have the knowledge don't do it exactly if you don't have experience just don't do it either

you have to have experience You have knowledge and you have to have this predisposition to like it people like to look at that figure and say that I can add something to his life and not give a diagnosis to make me proud and say I discovered it, I did it, forget it, not even more gifted because for example, if In the Impact he has with you he can blocking an assessment right then and there It happens a lot with psychologists because psychology Alex, correct me if I'm wrong, there's a line, a very shouty line like

eh, you have to continue there and he doesn't give up, for example, what psychologists do for me Have you had a case of applying a test from under the table , like turning somersaults, but they need to feel when you don't do that? be in a silent room L for some, not for some it will be with rock I've already gone under the table a lot to do oca let's go let's go to the little Indian's house let's stay there and there I can take away so many things in my evaluation sometimes he says I

can do it One thing, Uncle Claro, then he gets up, run there, run here, he does a lot of somersaults, we have to remember that that space of his that we are only using may be in my matter, but that space of his, as long as he doesn't attack me, he doesn't attack himself and he doesn't It harms the environment, he can do anything, ex, and when they feel validated by those welcomed with who they are in Essence, people, they don't disrupt their rules, I already received a boy with Monte, he decides not to and

there's a beautiful thing when they feel welcomed and understand who they are. Becoming wonderful teachers, I learned so much and I'm not ashamed to ask gifted PR Explain to me, there was someone who said, wait, Bia, I've already seen you, you're the type who has to draw, I said that, my son, that's exactly what I need, he drew it and I said what a beautiful thing, I'm going to be an old lady calling you PR for you to draw me because it's a mind map , right ? in his head he doesn't need this but

he's designed we don't let go of this arrogance we go Exactly because authority for gifted people is coherence you don't give them license because authority is a sense of justice and coherence exactly ex so when they feel this It's over you won you Because you get into their little heads and enter their universe, never leaving, never leaving, it's so interesting when we who have some characteristic very close to our student, our patient, how much we understand all that functioning, right? And then you're talking about time. everything about your father about your career and today with

so much research and so much that you did and you come back and say like this I was one and I'm here so when you speak you speak with love because you know exactly what my son feels So you welcome that father and you welcome when I had a direct education at school I remember a second year teacher of mine who at that time wasn't a primary math teacher, I was terrified of math and she said, think about the problems of mathematics as if it were a game, if you are able to have this reasoning

because one of the things that frustrated me a lot is that I managed to develop a process and I suddenly made a mistake due to my distraction, the signal was okay, we had to have an answer, it was something else or less something but the whole process and she came with a docility and said like this, look, you did everything here correctly and you answered correctly, the only thing that could have been due to inattention because you looked to the side you thought that was it, so the nice aunt didn't It's going to work out

completely, but she understood everything here and then she gave me a little above the middle, right, and I've already had people who like zero Oh, but I'll tell you about Professor Guilherme Professor Guilherme, I got five math problems wrong, okay, so what? When it was time to give Professor Guilherme, his Angel was already gone, and he kept enlightening me and I said, well, I messed up, right, I already knew that zero was coming when he went to give me the notes and called him drunk, drunk, 10, my friends everyone there that I had done the

drama that I had done wrong everything that this was lying I don't know that it didn't give us cheating we were 10 I said people I messed up everything I'm serious then I just know that at the end of the class come here Okay , the end of the class is over, Professor Guilherme, I made a mistake, you know, don't drink, you reasoned everything correctly, you just made a mistake at the end, I decide. So this 10 will give you encouragement to get the end, come here and I'll show you. here come here there here

gives you diarrhea I don't know what happened to you come here come here and he was in the military and he's doing what he's doing, he's working on self-esteem and security I never got less than 9:3 with Professor Guilherme because I was responsible and when it was time to inspect the test, he would come and look at me and do like this, hell, education is fine, as whoever says, okay, or he would do like this, that's it, here, if I were you, I would look again, that's our education, okay? needing more love Guys, look at

the emotional support I was , I went there and then I got home and said mom, I need to study a lot, know a lot of mathematics, why? PR, you and my mother knew a lot of mathematics I said I don't like it I don't like it Then she said now you're enough because of Professor Guilherme I said mother look what he did for me I showed her the test let's study because Professor Guilherme deserves it he deserves it So what? you enter into a regulation connection because you also don't want to disappoint that person

Professor Guilherme must people are very proud of both of us Professor Guilherme and Professor Al Deve is now giving us pats and when I go to school and talk about rapadura's philosophy of being sweet and tough that's exactly what we have to have this game this flexibility because schools change a lot today they have a need to want reports and that's it and what is it going to do with that ISO report it's not just a report it's you look and know what the reasoning and the method we need is for that person and then

it stays in that thing, I want a report, a report, but the child is still there in the suffering of the process, we do the report, but if we don't coordinate the doctor, the psychologist, the teachers, the psychoeducation, it's all like, Everyone wants to have the solution I don't have the solution , you know what, why do schools want it ? In this intensity, I had a case recently of a mother who came to us and had retired so that we could do it again and make a request to the ophthalmologist because he had a

pathology that probably affected it. And then the colors of the test had to be different because about this visual issue and the mother arrived and said, a test like this costs around R 15,000 Wow, and if it were done, what would change? If you think this is it, let's test it . You know, it gets stuck a lot, it doesn't even need the side because if he needs the color yellow so much that it's difficult, he's never seen a test that's all yellow, it's also not just about having a reader, someone who reads it to

him ex and he can know what if it's thinking that this will be the solution, why not test it, don't test it beforehand, exactly and the school has a pedagogical competence, so a pair of glasses, right, a pair of glasses with a lens, a yellowish lens, so that means we can always improvise, right, you just have to want it, you have to want it, check the school She it brings a lot to that metaphor of the carp which is to put the children each one inside the aquarium because the carp can grow up to 1.20

m depending on where it is if it is in a small aquarium it will grow bigger here in the lake in the ocean accordingly com and the school needs to open this space, it cannot because the difference between what is here and there is a huge disparity and it is not a unique difference, for example the synchronicity thing because if it were unique it would be easier for you to think. So I will deal with 18 years , it's not but there's never an easy solution , the human being is complex, right? and then we

give the guest's Instagram, ask them not to follow them, ask them to go there and take a look and if they have any doubts, send them here, okay, so we don't have any type of intervention there, in general, they are lay people but what they really like to study This we have already noticed so first question what are the distinct non- distinctive characteristics of gifted people and what skills are necessary to be considered as such they are influenced by genetic factors because they are influenced because they are born this is genetic we have to disregard

which abilities because the abilities are already added to this genetics depending on the spectrum where he is where he will be Where he will be where how he will be born I need to first disconnect from the ability because otherwise I will want to see what he does to be overcome exactly So what are the distinguishing characteristics I will give one which is the symptom although it is not a disease intensity Uhum everything is too much the crying is too much the gifted he has no joy he has Euphoria Carnival when with one little thing

he was validated gifted he does not have sadness he has existential depression Uhum So it's intensity you notice the superd when he is in any environment you notice the energy Because there is Ana Bia if you even want to explain this I will think it's great for people with much more property a very intense psychic energy in these people that you can't help but notice this one here is different this boy is different he's weird so distinctive characteristics inity is the first uhum when you he starts to deregulate with intensity crying a lot of sensitivity

is hypersensitivity you v intensity hip hypersensitivity creates flexible thinking or rigidity is what is most confusing for you to understand is because it can be at two poles that's why we say there is the issue of mood changes also not in the second you can get confused with bipolar vice, which is this very abrupt change from one state to another and they don't give up their arguments, they are completely like that, they are those children that you can't convince and they are very, very like that, they have a sense of justice, which is another very

strong characteristic in the gifted which is to talk like this, no if This can't happen this can't happen so they BR at school when he sees an injustice with a colleague he gets in the middle he catches him and goes to the direction since he wasn't the one who created anything so he's the one a boy who is very intense cries a lot and is very sensitive, who happens to be unable to watch the news or a film until the end because when the protagonist begins to suffer he absorbs that suffering, he brings all the

load of emotion into him and he cannot finish watching a movie for example So this intensity And hypersensitivity is the main role and you feel that sometimes you, with a child aged two or three or seven, you sometimes talk to an adult, sometimes with a teenager you notice these changes in cognitive levels, let's say so because self-awareness is very important, it is almost visible that you notice this behavior and there are those characteristics of literature, they are very much part of skills, which is creativity and there is one that says involvement with everything you do.

This involvement is a gifted hyperfocus he has hyperfocus, his vorals, if you let him turn, the child doesn't eat, doesn't sleep , and he stays until he reaches the point, they look for a truth and they give blood to find that truth, he found it, he said ready, That's why sometimes they are multipotential, totally focus This is different and they change diaries very quickly for example Oh I want this I want this because they keep investigating so there is one that seems to be non-persistent and they are influenced by genetic factors no they are it

is a neurodevelopmental condition which is something that we want Brazil sees to be able to look at these people from the inside and what skills are needed, that's what I asked for, Bia, that's a big request, don't look at the ability, uhm, look at the person, try to see how that boy works, that adult works, that teenager works, and you go see the difference in intensities, let me give you an example very quickly, I was evaluating a child last week who came with him, he has already had a flap for 3 years, today he is

six and he came with his mother crying a lot because he doesn't even know if he is autistic or not because no one can get there, that's another characteristic, see who asked, when they start to think it's a lot and no one thinks it doesn't come to anything that doesn't come to anything, they go to a giftedness specialist because that's what I've always seen from experience, that's not it. That's it, it's empirical, if not, if the solution isn't in that medical area, that's because if he didn't find it, it's because the solution isn't there, so

let's leave the health area or the clinical area or the pedagogical area, let's look for this question of you try to see how it works in the best way possible because you will see how it works differently and if it is different this boy that I was evaluating he started he arrived at the beginning I said no it doesn't seem like it really is how much it is then suddenly I started He got in there in a Hyperfocus, even then I started calling, I called his name V, I'm going to give Pedro a name, an

example, right? I said Pedro, look, it just started raining to see if he was responsive, nothing, nothing, then I said Pedro, look, my God, if this rain gets so thick, it gets thicker and break this glass What are we going to do this with our voices out loud to see if yes, ignore it? the internet signal went out, nothing fell completely there, fine, happy, so I said I have to find a way then I hated it like that in the room I found a bag of colored popsicle sticks uhum in the office I took this

bag of sticks I said wow I I found a bag of popsicle sticks here, I don't know what to do with them, I love the popsicle stick, let's play with the popsicle stick. That's it, I saw it, it shows another age, right, another age, back to the age, that's it, there I am I saw that there is a contact thing so I was joking that he loses the internet signal that there is a contact thing that is not much within the tea because thea he really doesn't maintain this contact he doesn't notice this contact and

then I I saw that it's something to think about, so you know what I discovered B I discovered I'm not yet researching my suspicion that the treatment in aba for so long ended up conditioning him because now and then he would come back and it's as if he had to finish everything and do all the stages and I noticed that it was the time that I lost contact with him because he was like, I need to finish, let's finish Uhum So, I mean, I'm still deciding with later several things that I'm going to have to

do for the whole story, the story is that it denies the web what's possible, right? The story has to see if it was premature, prematurity speaks volumes in favor of the web, you have to see if there are several issues, right? of a multidimensional world stop competing everyone says no ol I think that's it I think that's it ol and not just receiving what the other said and said it must be really stamped it's not like that abru a lot of things influenced by genetic factors you said yes they are influenced there is one in

this thing in Brazil they consider that it is not genetic because giftedness is behavior for example I may have it at times, no but it is not within the scope they do not consider neurodevelopment so you just need to ask the father his giftedness has already been switched off some minute the parents' exhaustion is exactly why because it doesn't turn off you can't get out so it has already been scientifically proven that it is genetic and hereditary so they never steal from anyone it is there in the father in the mother sometimes in both there

are studies that they proved that there is a synergy of rapprochement between a super gifted neurodivergent couple , you know, they and their children justify it, yes, there is heredity . the only thing that gives demand for that shovel is what the environment influences in everything that I mentioned, it doesn't give a stressful style and helps with how identity development will develop. That's all it does to strengthen identity, perfect identity next Bru Hello Doctor How is the diagnosis of giftedness in a child and adolescent, she already said it, just adding that it needs to be

because it is very centered on psychology Um, and it needs to have the perspective of psychology, it is neuroscience, pedagogy, education, which is pedagogy, but the education that I talk about in psychology and It also includes psychiatry, which is the behavioral issue, to see these are areas that need to be together, but for you to make the ideal first diagnosis, it should be a team composed of at least a psychologist and a psychopedagogue or neuropsychopedagogue, preferably someone who has the neuro neuropsychologist neuropsychopedagogue because the brain comes from the study of the deep brain because the

two will look at it from different angles and then you can get a sum like that if you can't, a bigger team, these two will solve it and I'll tell you if I can get one for a psychiatrist who likes philosophy, it's going to be great, wow, it's the glory of life, it's the glory of life, as the minirin say, you're going to lay your hair down, lay your hair down next to Bruno, how overexcitability affects the way gifted people experience the world and deal with their emotions we spoke well about exactly, just say or

implosive implosive but there is an important fact there so as not to repeat what I said that about citability it has a vital role which is to lead to confusion with diagnosis of disorders because the question of psychomotor citab to differentiate from TDH is a very tenuous line, for example sensory excitability, to differentiate from TPS or Soci integration disorder, it is very tenuous to say about citability, for example temple, creative inventiveness that has to you differentiate between and even personality disorders because they create imaginary friends, many of them say to their mother like this Mom

puts my friend's plate and he's there and mom says like this I'm scared to death of a ghost how come I'll do it, I said, put your friend's plate away because if you don't comply with your friend, he'll think he's crazy, so validate yourself, a cute patient that his mother said, Look, I think he's hearing things, so I said, bring him here, I'll treat his mother. So I started talking to him I started talking to him and then he said this and I said so and my friends here Ah, I have several, ok, and what

are they ? OK, OK, I went and took a cage that was in the office when I was treating children. I said, let's do the following, let's arrest the one you mentioned, this third one, I liked this one so we could get information from him, so I started to fix it in a little while. He looked at me f It's a joke, okay, they know, they know, so I said, swear, calm down, Auntie, you can have yours too, but we're not going to arrest him, there's no one to arrest, so I went to the mother

and said, look, he's not schizophrenic, don't worry, he He's very intelligent , right, and he is, to this day, a Men , which literature brings from the Imaginary Friend, mainly, girls are more predominant . they create worlds, they create families, that's what he was saying about his friends, I said, I liked this one, no, this one, I don't know, not this one, I would see a film and I don't know what, I started like that, and when he said it, I said, let's arrest the one I liked so we can have it. he here He

looked at me auntie Just kidding I said people I couldn't laugh I said I swear I think he was old like that Daide was oh my God it was really good you have to have that in the differential diagnosis it's vital to have a surgical look for sure No, you're talking here, I have, I have a child that I live with, he's three to four years old, everyone's talking about Ah, he's TDH No, he's super gifted, are you sure? Are you absolutely sure? So, he's very confused. He walks around the room. From school the other

day the report arrived like this and he walks around the room at school and the teacher sits down sits down and the teacher is there telling a story and he goes round and round and round in a little while so-and-so sits here you're not paying attention he described everything the story on the woman's face has details and left and came back everything continued doing continued doing PR ex that's it next Bru Doctor, how does grade acceleration for gifted people work in Brazil compared to other countries where we see teenagers entering college at 15 years old,

for example I also serve families outside of Brazil because I provide services online, you know, I don't do assessments because it's only in person, but I attend consultations and then I do all that very in-depth study, bringing together all this data . of the acceleration outside of Brazil it is much more advanced, truth because you see, for example, a 6-year-old child giving a conference, you see a 10-year-old student at Harvard doing his doctorate, he needs to break Brazil, he needs to break this, break this paradigm, this paradigm because the acceleration here of food for those

who are cerebrally hungry, that's what you know, that's a good thing to think like that, where the school teacher thinks like that, wow, he's going to skip content, he won't be able to handle it. They don't have prerequisites, they don't need it because he has the leaps intuitive which is this quantum movement of the mind that they the teacher starts to explain here to the class because it has to be very slowly to get to the concept when the teacher arrived at the third stage in the third stage He already knows there, oh I already

know it's that one there ready you lost the boy there the brain went This is interesting, so we're going to have people saying that we're using the term quantum leap wrong, let's leave it alone, but let's make it clear that it's quantum, this unpredictable thing, people, it's difficult, so we're not talking about it, we're talking about a something that is outside the predictability of happening so it happens I think it's wonderful I think it's beautiful I think people T What to make it more flexible D this thing about it's not an electron is not an

unpredictable and atypical charge for us to convey the idea of ​​depth we don't you know the distance because each one takes their own leap ex So you don't have a del in certain areas exactly there is still this there is still this close so the question of entering like this just to leave this message for Brazil people that we have to be gifted It's not just in Basic Education then he keeps his giftedness and goes to University, it will be without postgraduate studies at the university they need acceleration Exactly because there is a huge number

of suicide dismissals he is at the university because when he knows the exhaustion has already arrived exhaustion and they don't talk because they think that way, not now, then nothing has changed there again, the aquarium here, nothing has changed, nothing has changed, then they despair, they say I have nothing else to do here, right? So it's dangerous, you didn't think about killing when the woman said not there , right ahom Thank God it evolved It's because she had already developed the essence Essence exactly can only be my daughter that's what held Dev in sync with

her years exactly that's what held her close ah dear we arrived at a very special moment in our Episode is pipinho is our mascot he is a cute little guy that I even believe he has a little more giftedness also he just lives with this Rone wanting content oops he hardly if he has no content he is in a bad mood so He likes to stay there and throughout the program he picks up words that are important to him to say to the Doctor who is here with us today and he is a very sociable

person with high skills too Uhum and he is super understanding if you don't want to answer Some of them like step he doesn't get hurt this thing doesn't he accepts everyone how and who will ask is his mother exactly it's word number one whatever comes into your head answer answer is love love is a deep feeling of empathy and love in gifted , he has an empathetic connection with the world that ends up bringing suffering because he never wants to disappoint, he believes that it's everything, right? falls to the ground and it hurts I understand

gratitude gratitude is a feeling, right, gratitude doesn't need to be defined, it's what comes into your head, gratitude is a feeling of understanding that when you understand how it works, we feel grateful to the universe because you You start to see that you're not broken It's uhm and then comes the feeling of gratitude for having reached this place of understanding wow I'm not broken I function like this you're not half of anyone's orange she's your whole orange min orange whole three purpose of life purpose of life is for the world to begin to understand that

giftedness is not chronology understand that gifted people are not we don't look at what they do we don't look for what they do best we look for what they have who they It's better how is it? So my purpose Ana and Alex Bia and Alex in this whole process of experiencing this area is exactly to show that we have to look at the person, we can't look at what that person does when we see the essence you you will understand how it works and then communication will happen like magic perfect complete the sentence to educate

is to educate is to understand individuality perfect five if I could enter a time capsule I would choose to go to the future or go back to the past I would choose to go back to the history of science because the philosophers they brought a wisdom that has no future they are classics the classic is that timeless so I would choose to go live with all the philosophers Plato Aristotle Our mountain mon My dream is for them to be alive today if they had social networks we would know about philosophy a drop of philosophy a

day this It's one thing, right? It's already a delusion And another thing, if you go back to the philosophers, you're in the future for sure. Of course, by logic, because each time they start to show more and more truth what they said, more and more, right, more and more, and look, it was long before Christ n Wow, well before Christ, if you could choose a superpower, what would it be and why to take away the suffering of Mothers, perfect seven happiness, happiness is knowing How a child works, I miss, I miss my students, when I

spent a lot of time with them, Rebels, especially the rebels I want to know the list of these children to see where they are What they are doing has a history Bia that is not Complete the sentence evolving is evolving evolving is looking at the essence of people because when you look at the essence you can see yourself see who they are evolution of consciousness consciousness advice for humanity advice for humanity is to understand the value of each person's freedom, not macro freedom, social freedom, but the individual freedom of being who one is and understanding

the value for you to know yourself Uhum it's the only freedom that exists it's the only freedom in fact the rest is what I want to take PR synchrony my love thank you very much it was a pleasure to have you here thank you very much Alex good let's do it together here thank you it looks wonderful this it's a little happiness book that I wrote during the pandemic because I refused to be unhappy here it's depressive minds that I start talking about much more spirituality than anything else that I put the three dimensions of

the disease of the century, right, which is mind, body and spirit not touching on religion and here the first was my first, you know, autograph, it's restless minds about TDH and that before my book I suffered a lot, I wrote a book to see if the others would fail, right, I have several clinical cases, so start by The speech therapist I changed everyone's name including my profession and it was the first at a time when I was dyslexic with TDH I was sure I would be anything but a writer I have a life here I

have a life and there are people I noticed that I discovered that the reviewer in the book he is the guy with the perfectionist profile and he complements me and we are happy to write many books because I want to release ideas he will correct the text ah he found Soulmate I found the professional partnership right because there are many Soulmates it's not just in love romantic is not in a professional partnership it is in a friend when it is in a professional one there is a Val animal it is in a little plant it

is not even in a Bird, right Like you always find wing twins out there I will devour them now you understand how I love reading what a good thing you are going to go now look at this camera and give all your messages about your books social networks where people meet if they want to participate in the immersion it's all your people look first message I want to give you is to be with me in São Paulo on the 23rd and 24th in the immersion in synchrony so we can get to know all these struggles

that we put here that we discussed on the 2nd and 24th of March, now this in São Paulo, which is the second edition of asyncronia so that we can really understand what this is, right, and know how to deal with how to talk how to communicate and the second message goes to the education system because schools are not to blame we don't want to talk about blame but we want to say that every system is operated by people the system is inanimate but people are animate people T life and are capable of changing this system

we need to stop putting these students in the aquarium, put them in the box and transform their lives. This starts with validating their identity. My social network is @d Zenir Ribeiro @d Zen Ribeiro Instagram profile has I also started the YouTube profile, which I started now, a lot of people ask for it because sometimes there's another way of abstracting, right ? evaluation, right, even due to a scheduling difficulty because I can't let go of having a team, that difficulty isn't centralization but it's having people who see people, so I wanted to make an appeal to

professionals to use the protocol I have the knowledge, but look at people, this is the main purpose of neurodivergence, right, so we can understand exactly how it works, we are finishing another episode of pipo powder. And today it was with this wonderful woman, Zeni Ribeiro, if you think you knew anything about giftedness forget start all over again without prejudice without established concepts and learn how we were willing to do here and we learn a lot, anything go on her Instagram @d Zenir Ribeiro and then you will have all the information you want for People here

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