To Anyone Feeling Lost & Unhappy In Life, Watch This To Find Meaning Before 2024 Ends | Liz Gilbert

for women who feel lost and unmotivated and unhappy what would you say are the three to five biggest things keeping them from a life of their holy moly we're jumping right into that are you me we're just going we're just going straight into it Marie forio I'm actually going to narrow it down to one um for the sake of efficiency and this is a tried and true piece of wisdom because it comes from the babag Gita that's like 7,000 years old right so this is time worn and tested there's a line in the bagita that

says it is better to live your own life imperfectly than to live a perfect imitation of somebody else's life which feels like some influencer just put that on Instagram like with a really pretty background but it's from like one of the deepest most ancient sacred texts and and it's that like I think it's that for women and and I know this because I spent my 20s creating a perfect imitation of somebody else's life and it was note perfect I mean it was Christmas card perfect it was Hallmark Channel perfect and and I was dying inside

of it and the way that I'm living now 35 years later is is completely different from that and very displeasing in its form to culture and family um your friend in mine Martha Beck often says that if you want to be free it's quite simple you just have to walk away from culture and family in other words it's not simple but what she means by that is not necessarily literally never seeing your family again or moving to another country which of course you can do that if you need to both of those things but walking

away from everything that you were taught as a woman would make you be a good and most of all pleasing woman I think that's what kills women is what they were taught by family and what they were taught by culture it's it's what killed me and the closer I get to living that way the farther I get from myself and the more I want to die and the closer I get to living my true self imperfectly the less I want to die and the more displeasing I am to the world and I'm fine with that

what are some daily habits small ones or small practices that we can do to find a little more happiness or contentment or Joy or meaning in our lives I heard somebody say recently that at least once a day your head should be where your feet are and and that is a sort of code for meditation but it doesn't have to be sort of sitting in Lotus position on the edge of an infinity pool in a unitard kind of meditation or what it looks like on the cover of yoga journal um if you fear the idea

of being silent with yourself there are many ways that you can find a way to make sure that your head are where is that your head is where your feet are and the primary thing is to separate any moment that you can steal your attention away from your phone I think is a very good beginning and I recently started doing a digital Sabbath one day a week so every Thursday actually on Wednesday night at 10 o'clock I lock my phone in a safe and I don't pick it up again until Friday morning at 7: a.m.

and so for the entirety of Thursday I am not reachable by the world now this is Extreme and I know that there it's not going to be feasible for everybody to do that super helps that I don't have a partner and I don't have children so like nobody's going to be checking on me to make sure that I'm okay the first few weeks that I did this it was terrifying because I actually felt I was in withdrawal from the addiction to the phone did you find yourself reaching for it constantly and also a sense of

fear how what if I go to the store without my phone and I'm in a car accident what if I walk in the woods without my phone and I break my leg what if you know because the phone has trained us to believe that if the phone is not on and within reach we are not safe and no one around us is safe and that's a lie because for hundreds of thousands of years people didn't have this thing attached to them yes um so that would be the primary thing is even if you can steal

an hour of your life away where you're not in the same room as your phone and you can do something that's grounding that can put your head where your feet are then that's going to restore you I want to go back to this notion of culture and family and how it kind of conditions us and and trains us you know one of the things that you and I have in common is we're childfree and I feel like we might have talked about this at at dinner sometimes but PE it's always a curiosity point for folks

with me because they're like um you know Josh and I will even be oh do you guys do you have kids you know and it's just like this thing which which is understandable but a lot of people especially women have asked me over the years like how did you decide not to have kids and I said I never did meaning it wasn't a decision it was my truth yes like I knew from the time I was a really really small girl it was like that was not my path like I had little Burton ernes in

my little carage you know I mean like that was cute but I there was like oh you can't wait to be Mom I'm like no I just liked my little dolls do like that was it like no I'm going to run an Empire and I remember when I met you know Josh and we're together now like 21 years and I was like do are are you a dad like or do you need to have more you know he's he told me he was a dad already I was like okay and I was like do you

want to have more kids he was like nah I don't really care and I was like score like it it was unbelievable because every relationship I had prior to that it was like so we're going to do this on this timeline or whatever was it a decision for you not to have kids or was it a truth or what did that look like it wasn't as clear as it was for you um because I was confused by the fact that I enjoy children okay and I grew up as a babysitter and like a favorite auntie

and you know like I was I always had kids around and I'm quote unquote good with kids whatever that means yeah um and and it was so programmed speaking of family and culture it was so programmed into me that it was like 13th grade it's like the thing you do next right like you get married and then you get a house and then you have kids and then you do that you know and and so I was marching toward that I was married to somebody who wanted to have kids we bought the house and then

the closer I got to it the more I felt like I was marching to my death and that is how it physically felt to me every time we had a discussion about it I felt like and we had set this time saying when I'm 30 um because he was older when I turned 30 you know we'll have kids then and as that date approached I felt like I was marching toward a guillotine so I had the reverse physically my cells knew my mind hadn't caught up but my body had the reverse of the ticking clock

that so many women feel as they get older and they feel like they're going to die if they don't have a child I had the exact reverse which was I'm counting down I only have 200 more days to live n 199 more days to live and I kept marching toward it because somehow I didn't think I had a choice I was already married yes you know the agreement had been made I'd made that promise I didn't know that you're allowed to say I said I would do something and now that we're approaching it I find

that I cannot do it I've had to learn in life that multiple times I've had to say that that might be a promise I'm not able to keep yes you know now that I've caught up with myself I'm actually unable to do this it's so interesting that you say that in that way because I was engaged prior to Josh and it was that similar experience where my body started revolting any when we would tiptoe near like okay you're engaged like can we talk about a date and it was as though my entire soul had a

melt out and physically I was like what is happening and I've thankfully that was like probably one of the clearest times but I've had it in my career I've had it at different times where it's like my I always got like Shakira says your hips don't lie I'm like my body does not lie never it can't it cannot and it has not let me you know yeah knock on all the things but it has kept me true to myself and it was so interesting that you said that that you felt like because there's been so

many times in my life even though I know it's not the truth per se but I have felt like I was like I am dying a very slow death right now I'm watching myself Wilt I'm watching myself come to Pieces I'm watching myself like disintegrate into the ground and it is miserable yeah yeah and and the body will go take you right to death rather than let you continue to do something that's not in alignment yes and not in accordance and um Martha Beck said to me one time I was like you know it's almost

like my body knew there was something I was talking about it was like oh I was talking about being in love with rehea and I was like it was almost like my body knew that I was in love with rehea before my mind did and she said only always only always you know like it totally knows so yeah my body fell apart that's what happened I mean I was 30 years old going to a flotilla of doctors I had carpal tunnel syndrome in every joint of my body I couldn't digest I couldn't sleep my hands

didn't stop shaking I was vomiting food up which was so funny because it looked like morning sickness but it was my body being like I will kill you before I let you have a baby wow I will kill you um that's how serious this is and I can see I now see that as like the hand of God literally yes you know like I have a very different purpose for you and in order for you to become what you need me what I need you to be and what you need to be you're going to

have to disappoint every single person you know yes and and the reason I'm the most unlikely poster child for that is because of how desperately I want everyone to love and approve of me and that's why it's weird that I have become a poster child for living your life in opposition to family and culture because I am far from somebody who walks around with two middle fingers up to the world I'm just like to am I pleasing do you like me did I did something wrong are you mad at me are we okay like that's

my that's my vibe you know so for it's ironic and paradoxical which is how I know it's of God yes that I become the symbol for throw Chuck it all away and go be your true self yeah but I had no choice because I was going to die yeah I remember my mom who's uh God bless her she's still with us I don't think we haven't caught up in this we're all gonna have dinner after this you guys so we have Liz and I have a lot to catch up on but my mom who I

love dearly we almost lost her twice last year but I remember when um you know she was like when when are you g to have kids like what when's it gonna happen like and it was it was and she really said she's like what's wrong with you you know and it's like the New Jersey attack you know what I mean what's wrong with you and and I me fiery what's wrong with you like see I took that in I was like I went on a four-year investigation on what was wrong with me and the answer

was nothing whatsoever is wrong with me and the older I've gotten The more I've deepened into the Gratitude um the Gratitude of not having that choice and the anger that I feel at the messaging that is still being just like fogies force-fed into women across all cultures saying that you will not be complete until you have these autr mons the ring the house the marriage the blah blah blah and the actual sociological facts on this um and how much culture scares women of the fear of like you're going to die alone and your cats are

going to eat you kind of story like here's the actual actual facts the actual facts are that women who do not have children and are not married live longer than women who are married with Children they earn more money they are healthy they are less likely to die of suicide women without children and without marriages less likely to commit suicide less likely to to be victims of homicide less likely to die in car accidents less likely to suffer from alcoholism and drug addiction less likely to report themselves depressed and anxious and more sexually satisfied than

women who are married with Children right it's like there's not a single not a single way that you can measure success and well-being on any cultural or sociological scale that single Un that unmarried and childless women do not outperform women who are married with Children so the opposite is true of men there is no sociological data there is no way that you can measure it that married men do not outperform single men and the reason for that is that women pour their lives into their partners and so they literally exchange literal years of their life

by pouring into their partner uplifting their partner who will then Thrive and succeed and prosper and the women will Wilt in the giving which is what we are taught because we're supposed to be the giving tree right so the messaging is the exact opposite of the reality and that's what makes me mental especially when I watch Like romantic comedies with the dumb old Trope of some woman chasing a man and some man trying to get away from her and I'm like if this was sociologically accurate she would be running for her life and he would

be doing everything in his power to manipulate and beg her to marry him so that he could live seven years longer earn a great deal more money like have fewer diseases yes and she would give her life into him yes so no I'm not doing it yeah you know what's funny I remember um you know we have our B school program that I've had for which feels like forevs now and like the digital world I think it's like since 2009 or 2010 and it's 2024 when we're recording this that's a long time it's a long

freaking time and like sometimes I remember in the marketing of it cuz you know how much I love marketing I love business I love it's like playground for me it's creativity time and I would receive messages from these incredible women beautiful women and they were so scared yet so excited about their idea the thing that they really wanted to create and the thing that they were hopeful to build something around and I remember one particular message like Marie I would love to do this and I I need to ask permission from my husband to invest

in myself and again I under I I understand the landscape I understand everything but I remember just reading that message and the privacy in my own computer my own home and wanting to take my computer and throw it against like smash it like I I just felt so much rage you were talking about like this is the kind of [ __ ] that makes me mental that was the kind of stuff and there would be some people in my team that I would like cut and paste you know cut I was just like this is

why this is why I love helping women make a lot of money this is why like you know like I would it would just like fire me up in all of these ways because it just it made me it made me crazy pants yeah cuz it is crazy pants it is crazy pants it is crazy pants Oh God Liz I love pants are crazy I love you too Mario and it's like and and actually I think even one of our emails about be school I'm like if you're feeling crazy pants it means you're wearing damn

right pants keep those pants on like keep those pants on oh my God I love it so I want to talk about Letters From Love Like This wildly fun and popular and transformative and healing and to me it was scary as out beautiful substack that you have and like I was like oh my goodness like I love sometimes seeing like really big numbers I'm like there's over a 100,000 beautiful souls that are doing this so for those people who don't know what letters from Love is what is the practice why did you start this practice

and why did you start the substack actually I'll start by saying what substack is because not everybody even knows what that is no I was I knew of it but I had never delved in it was like a mystery to me and you were my you were my Gateway drug it's so good um it's it's it's actually I love it because it's like a reverse technology it's a return to blogging it's essentially an email newsletter service and a lot of writers are shifting off of what's now called traditional social media which is hilarious yes um

because it's already ancient um they're moving off of traditional social media and they're moving on to substack so essentially you sign up you go to substack and you sign up to receive a newsletter that your favorite writer creates and so it's like a Blog um and it comes into your inbox and then you get to read the newsletter um so I've been looking for a way to shift off of social media because social media to me feels like a party drug that was really fun when you started using it and now somebody described it so

beautifully this way now everyone's addicted to it and no one's getting high off it anymore but we can't put it down because our systems have become addicted to it it's it's not fun anymore like we're like oh my life is being destroyed this thing you know so I've been looking for ways to build community away from social media so that's why substack and then Letters From Love is a practice that I'm teaching people how to do it's a spiritual practice that I've been doing almost every day for the last 20 years and I discovered it

when I was in my first divorce and the worst depression of my life and the practice is that every day I write myself a letter from the spirit of unconditional love and so it's dear Liz this is what we want you to know for some reason love is a we like it's like some sort of a conglomerate of like God and angels and Saints and spirits and ancestors and maybe fairies fairies I'll take fairies like it's a team you know it's like it's like these are your this is your team and and and here's what

we want you to know today um so it's extremely current it's like what do we want you to know today and when I first started doing it what mostly they seemed to want me to know is that you can't do anything to lose us you can't do this wrong you can't this is exactly the opposite of the perfectionism that I was taught and that I have suffered under for so long you you are so loved by us and we're with you and we'll be with you always and if you end up living under a bridge

in a cardboard box wearing a garbage bag spitting at people we will just adore you through that and we'll be with you through that and a lot of the messaging is what you don't have to do like we need you to slow down have a drink of water take your bra off why are you still wearing a bra it's 5 o'clock you know like we just want to love you and we want to tell you that you're not alone in the cosmos it's been the most healing and beautiful practice and and I've taught it in

workshops for years and then I just wanted to combat the the awful self-hatred and evil kind of malicious interior voices that were all taught are normal by teaching people how to push against it by writing themselves these letters that start off as a kind of imaginative exercise like what would unconditional love say to me if it could speak but becomes a spiritual practice because as I'm sure you found when you did yours you didn't really write it like something wrote it you were downloading something that you were hearing or feeling that wants to be in

communion with you and wants to tell you how loved you are so every week um I share one of the letters I wrote wrote to myself that week and then we invite a special guest and you are a special guest recently and we invite somebody to take the risk and a lot of people that we invite won't do it because it's so vulnerable and so frightening and they're afraid I think that love won't arrive if they call it but it always does yes um and the question that you ask is dear love what would you

have me know today and then you bring the answer and we share the person's answer on the substack and then people share their own letters and as of last count we have almost 20,000 people doing this every day it's a movement um so all are welcome please join it's it's a it's it's also I do believe the kindest corner of the Internet it's fantastic it is so so good it gave me all the feels of like internet back in again because like I start I started my business and I'm I'm using bunny ears because it

was like not a business it was like I'm a life coach you know I don't know what I'm doing but I I knew something you know mean I knew enough that there was some impetus in me but in like 2001 right and then when every there was more people online in like 2006 and 2008 it was like this is really fun this is fun you can talk to people from all over the world it's bringing the world together Facebook is going to bring the world together LOL doing cartwheels with like how much joy I would

get from blogging and like the connection and I remember when I logged into the substack for the first time because I was so filled with anxiety to do mine for you and for everyone if you hadn't caught it like we put mine on social you have to check out Liz's uh Letters From Love we'll put a link for it below this video and all that good stuff but I remember when you had asked me to be a guest I basically just said yes not knowing what I was saying yes to besides you gave me a

very good description but I was just like I don't know yes it's Liz I love you you know what I mean and then when I delve in I was like a this feels like the internet back in the day in the best way yeah B when I watched not only your letters but also the other guest letters I think I told you and Margaret this who helps you was uh I cried so much and instantly like it was just tears and then I was like oh sh what did you say yes to how you going

to do this you know like it was just but it was the best thing it was the best thing ever so I'm just saying that because this practice is so good and so incredibly transformative and my own experience I had the fear and anxiety because I've done a practice called guided writing and I have um which is not dissimilar but it's not clear it's not as clear direct or like boom you know asking love for a particular thing and I will tell you my guided Writing Practice in a similar way something else is coming through

and when I go back and read those journals or those entries I'm like that is not me no I'm like I don't use that phraseology there is a certain energy there is a wisdom there's a Simplicity there like there's so much stuff that I don't identify as Marie and it's mystical magical amazing healing accessible like it's not shrouded behind you know like you don't have to go to a medium you don't have to the thing I love so much about that community and what I say to them all the time is you're doing this nobody's

this is your own received guidance yes this is not scripture that was somebody else's received guidance yes this is you downloading an incredibly personal message I heard a beautiful description one time of God as the the feeling of God sense is the feeling of deeply relaxing in the presence of somebody who you know is incredibly fond of you and most of us were not taught that as God but what comes through in these letters is that there is a presence that is so delighted by us that thinks we're adorable one of the that you open

up the practice is you speak the first line dear love what would you have me know today the first line should be an endearment like sweetness penguin cheeks little potato honey head monkey butt you know like this because love wants to endear you know and it cracks through the it cracks through the veneer of the public Persona and the the myth of adulthood and it also cracks through um the fog of of self-hatred because it speaks to a very young aspect of yourself like sweet little one you know like so many of people when I

read their letters the letters are addressed to little one like something recognizing how it is to be small and human and how dear it is and how frightening it is and how it's okay like you're doing great you just passed the one-year anniversary of this are you enjoying the experience of being on substack like was there any was there any hesitation where you're just like uh is this going to turn into another thing well yeah do I want another thing like is this is this also going to go the way of the internet and become

something awful um no I think it was more that are people going to do this yeah does anybody care um because this is a practice I've been doing quietly in my bedroom for 20 years does does anybody else want this yes was more the feeling you this might already be in the docket but the moment I was in you know the moment I was in the world and I'm like okay I'm in the universe and I'm absorbing you know I my mind just goes to oh my gosh this is a book and a movement and

a whole thing again it might not be your desire or whatever but I was like like i' got all of the feels and the vibrations because it is it is so powerful and it is so simple and it is so accessible to everyone yes and I loved I I heard you said you know we we touched on this a little bit but this notion of uh a two-way prayer yeah and you've talked about that so two-way prayer came up out of the same group who founded AA um which is called the Oxford Group and they

were a pretty radical group of um Spiritual Beings who got together in the 1920s and 1930s and decided to investigate what it would be like to live their lives in complete surrender to the gods of their own understanding um so very much a wild thing to come out of white male capitalist Christian top of the Heap you know like they they were like what if it's not about our will what if it's not about trying to get everything we can get what if it's about I always think of it as the Dow what if it's

about listening to the way there's a thing that wants to happen next and I'm part of something I'm not the I don't have to be the most important thing in the something and if I get quiet enough what they learn Learned was that if they got quiet enough and they asked what is your will for me and listened a very loving guiding voice would come through and if they did what they were told their lives became in alignment and they suffered less and they were more connected to each other and life became a Kinder experience

right so they they taught it as two-way prayer and Bill W who founded AA used to say that two-way prayer was the sing single most important tool that an addict could have in recovery more than going to meetings more than sponsorship more than doing the 12 Steps although all of those were important too you needed to have a direct conscious contact with the higher power of your own understanding which cannot be stressed strongly enough because nobody will ever surrender to a God who is forced upon them okay I want to talk about work and time

and productivity because this has been like a big big running theme in my life and I'm curious how you think about work and time and productivity like at this point in the game has it changed over the past few decades what's it look like now like for my own experience of life like I know in my 20s and my 30s I can see this now I didn't necessarily see it then in those ages and decades I had the feeling it was very tied to my motivation and my ambition all beautiful things and I think partially

that is true but as I look back I know a lot of it was fear m you know the fear of like needing to make it needing to prove myself you know wanting to never depend on anyone like there was so much you know what I mean underneath there you and me both uhhuh and then as I've matured and as time has gone on I've really started to question a lot of my own patterning and a you know and I I've talked about this a lot like how workaholic I can be and in some ways

and this is the truth because I love my work so much I can get really really lost in it and so I don't want anyone I'm like leave me alone like you know just cuz you don't have my dve you say workaholism like it's a bad thing yes and when because it's such a rare thing to love what you do so much you can get lost in it but I do know that there are times when it is also an escape mechanism right and it allows me to be in a an area where hey I

can control the outcome or at least have more probability of like winning in it where all of these other areas I'm like uh emotions messy la like so same same so as I've gotten older though and I think as the clock for me in my experience ticks and you know Josh is much older than I am like my parents I almost lost both of them last year things like that as you know life events circumstances loss grief or the potential of it puts things in New Perspectives yeah and for me I started asking like what

the hell is all this for and do I want to keep going at the level of 150 from 400 a.m. to you know what I mean to keep doing that so that's why that's where all of this comes from because it's a really interesting yeah question that myself and so many creatives that I know are just getting curious about God listen you're going to have a difficult time finding two women who love their work more than us yeah um and and my work has saved my life so many times and and it was my first

connection to the Divine because from a very early age when I was writing I was talking about this with somebody just today I felt like this is really good you know like this is good I like what I'm doing like I like and other people seem to like it as well and it feels good to do this and I anyway you know there was so much that was wrapped up in it in my identity I I'm not ready to stop I'm not ready to slow down and and I'm 55 and it's getting a little harder

to be on the road as much as I've been my whole life because I'm also a road dog and a traveler but I'm not ready to stop um and and I think it's okay to love your work that much I really do like it's funny because we're we're taught to be so productive but that we're also taught to be ashamed of ourselves if we love our work as much as we do I heard an interview with Michael shabon once the novelist and he said he's got five kids and um I think four or five kids

and he said look writing books is great but your books can't love you back and I was like but my books love me back but my books love me back yeah like they love me back they love me into life they bring me back into Vitality you know a couple weeks after rehea died I started working on a novel because I needed to remember who I was without her in the world yes and people can say like you threw yourself into your work to avoid your grief there's nothing you can do do to avoid grief

grief is coming for you it knows your home address and you can't get out from under it and it's and like the grief was happening and the work was a place of of sanctuary for me um where I'm like oh I'm also I'm not just grieving Widow I'm also gifted novelist yes and I love to be with my gift um and to be present to it the one thing I'll say about productivity actually I'll say two things when I was working on big magic I put a message out on Facebook Facebook and this is back

when we were all on Facebook and loving Facebook going back to the social media aspect of things and I said to everybody because big magic is my book about creativity and I said what is the one obstacle in your life that all of you have that is preventing you from being able to be as creative as you want to be and thousands of responses came flooding in and I would say 95% of those responses said I don't have enough time I'm so busy my life is so busy I don't have enough time on Facebook no

irony there yes on Facebook yep right yep and I was like do you guys know you're literally on a social media app right now like you're literally on at this moment typing into a social media app that you don't have any time so I'm going to call you all out on that right now not that I don't love that you follow me but like can you get really honest about how much of your life you're staring at your phone yes and have you looked at the stats on Instagram of how much of your life you're

staring at your phone could you write a novel in that many hours a week and the other thing I always say is that I don't think of myself as a particularly high energy person I need a lot of sleep I get overwhelmed very easily um but I have like three really good hours a day you know like if I get the right if I go to sleep at the right time and I wake up between 5: and 6:00 a.m. those first three hours of the day my brain is electric and if I'm eating the right

food and if I go to bed at the right time and then the rest of the day I'm sort of like you know half MK but the question I always have for people is identify what the three good hours of the day everyone has like two or three pretty sharp bright electrified online not on the internet but like online hours of the day who or what is currently eating that time take it back yes take that time back so that it's almost like pay yourself first but it's give everybody else your garbage hours they won't

even notice you know like give everybody else the time so for me a really important part of of productivity is my mornings are mine you cannot have them like you cannot have them you can have you can have me like we set this thing for late in the afterno I'm like I love you Marie but you're getting me at 15% absolutely and I was like when does this work for you my 100% is mine yes right and so that's like the thing about again taking back especially for women taking back that which you have poured

into others Glennon Doyle said so beautifully that she had a realization when all three of her kids were young that the only thing she had to do to be a writer was to go to bed at the same time her kids went to bed which meant she had to give up the finish line reward of watching TV after they went to bed and staying up till 11:00 and feeling like an adult and having the house be quiet when they went to bed she went to bed she set her alarm for 400 a.m. and she gave

herself two hours before they woke up that was hers so there's this like stubborn demanding of pulling back some hours of the day that no one else is allowed to have um and making those hours absolutely sacred yeah I do it and actually you know Josh and I have had some tumbles about this because like you my morning is my magic time mhm and my brain is it's like I I'm closest to the other side I am closest to all of the Sparkles I'm closest to everything and he's be like but what about our coffee

in the morning I'm like Saturdays you know what I mean you can have coffee on morning with me Satur Saturdays or there's certain times but and we've had this and he knows and I'm like look you actually get a better Marie when I'm not resenting you because I'm sitting here with my coffee going this is mying time dude yeah do and like we and again we've been together so long that we have real talk 101 all the time you know and as as things go and it's it's just great though because he's an amazing human

and he is I love him he's so playful and he's so fun and he's so intuitive and he's so real and and but what I love about us is we have these real conversations and I said look this is not about you it's about me yeah and you'll see me when I'm doing my morning pages and I have all my little ritual you know all my little things yeah but that is my creative time and um it is it's like I've had to fight for it sometimes because of my own internal messaging oh if I

was a better partner you know because he really how quick we are to throw it away yes he really needs me right now or D D D D du and meanwhile it's just a conversation I just have to have a conversation the real talk 101 with like hey no there was I wish I could remember her name but I heard an uh I saw an interview with an an older female visual artist um actually it was in her obituary she said at one point she had this hugee Awakening of realization that her solitary time had

no value to anybody but herself because everybody else in the world valued her based on what they could get from her so the only person to whom her Solitude had value was her and because it had no value to anybody else nobody else had a vested interest in protecting it for her and so that would be her job yes because nobody else has any reason to let you have Solitude yes because what they want is what you can do for them yes and so you have to fight for it you have to fight for it

so you're and I I said this on uh Letters From Love it's like you're Liz freaking Gilbert like it's it's just you're incredible like I think e pray love what 14 million at this point maybe higher it's up at 30 million 30 million Jesus an old stat yeah how on Earth do you decide what writing projects or speaking engagements or collabs or invitations like I at certain points in my journey I have sometimes used like a little device like a filter question is X getting me closer to whatever I like to call my primary project

it could be more freedom it could be you know more dancing it could be a particular creative project that I want to get done a specific goal like you know you can fill in that thing whatever that kind of thing that my heart really wants at this particular stage or season and I would use that filter question to help me bat down you know 90% of what was coming in that was like a shiny object that maybe stroked my ego or or maybe five years earlier in your career would have been a prize correct but

that's a hard thing to remember it's like just because your younger self would have died for the opportunity to do this doesn't mean that it suits you now yes and you have to say no to those things a lot yes so I'm curious how you navigate that like do you have like a team of folks let's say from the literary side or do you know what I mean like different folks who can process to a certain degree and I know obviously things have to come to you because you're a Liz and you you get to

decide how you'd like to spend your time and your energy but I'm curious if you have any Reflections on what that looks like you know I I um I delete a lot of emails without responding to them it's a gift I give to myself I used to in the early days of email be like I'm responding to every email and now I'm like absolutely I have a permanent outof office message yes um it's and I re refresh it every month and sometimes change the language a little bit but the the out of office message that

I have on my email says please forgive delayed responses or none at all um and and now the reasons that I list are I'm trying to gain Liberation from the robot overlords and not spend my life looking at screens and that means I can't respond to everything yeah um and I'm always working on a new book and I'm always working on a new project and um you know so just if you don't hear back from me please be cool you know yeah um and I go through my inbox every week and I delete things um

without having the decency or the kindness to respond if I I could hire someone to do that or I could just delete the message yeah and I just delete the message and it's it's it's one of the most empowering things that I've given to myself is like you are not just here's a rule and it goes for personal life family life career life just because somebody wants a response from you doesn't mean they get to have one that's not a good enough reason somebody wanting your response is not a good enough reason for you to

stop what you're doing and respond you don't you don't have to um so that's that's a huge thing um I still do more than I should um but I get excited and I want to say yes to not everything but there are things that I want to say yes to um and I say I don't have like a social life in the literary world yeah like I um you and I are having dinner on Friday night yes with some people from substack and that's the first time I'm going to say in like three years that

I've been to something that you might call a party within my industry yes um with like my colleagues yes you know like I don't go to those like I don't go to those because I need if I'm going to write books I have to be in bed at 9 o00 and I can't go to those things and be in bed at 9 o'cl I'm not interested in going to those things so I say no to like a ton of social stuff and I just hang with my very small group of people who I hang with

all the time my friends and neighbors um and then as far as writing projects go um that one is like God I don't even know how to explain it the mysticism of it but it's like I'm listening like there's something that's trying to get my attention that wants me to collaborate with it and like right now there's an idea that I've had for four or five years and I'm circling it and it's circling me and we're listening to each other and it's way too soon to begin but I can feel that it's going to be

the next that it's going to be the next project I actually love that I need to do that I want to talk to CU that I tend to marinate on some ideas for a while like I remember when uh my agent was like everybody wants a book from you I'm like yeah but I'm not ready like the idea is not ready the thing's not ready and I have all these other little babies you know what I mean that I'm nourishing and and giving life to and there's a couple more that have been hanging around for

a few years and I'm like I don't want to lose them but I I it's like that nice little dance um I need to talk to some of my ideas and let them know I'm coming you know I I sometimes have a team meeting with my ideas okay um and I mean I'm such a pagan everything to me is animated with life and spirit and um and you know so I so oftentimes people will ask me about like what do you do when you've got multiple ideas and you only have the one energy stream and

in that case I mean I'm like the president and they're my Joint Chiefs of Staff right they're coming to me with like and so I'll just I'll just say like what's your what's your idea and how formed are you um because sometimes it's an exciting idea but when I pin it down like that and say to the idea what do you want me to do you want me to give years of your life for what and it's vague yes and I'm like okay well come back when you're more formulated yes um because right now there's

an idea here that's pretty formulated and it's ready to go and so we're going to work on that um I don't work on two things at the same time with books um I don't have the energy for that that's really cool yeah so it sounds like if I'm hearing correctly because I love talking about process I just find it so F it's so interesting it's so interesting and it's so fun especially because it is such I think in both of our opinions this Cosmic magical mysterious process yeah um so it's almost as if okay you're

fully in Allin this project yes when that one sign seal delivered let's call it a book yep H we know that there's the marketing dance that we all have to do to get something out into the world how long typically passes before you're like oh I've got another little baby on the conveyor belt it's it's on the conveyor belt it's on the conveyor belt you know like I've got three conveyor I've got three babies deep on the conveyor belt now but the third and furthest away one probably won't be in the world for 10 or

12 years yeah you know um because it takes me such a long time to write these things and to create these things but but but yeah I like working yeah yeah you know I always say I want to rest and then like a day of that about you know a day of that's about enough and then I'm like okay I'm like my mind starts create like it wants to create yeah whenever I'm on Vaca like Josh and I were in Italy for the first time in several years this uh just um earlier this summer and

it was like a week of you know just being in the sea and doing all the things that one does in Italy and then I just got downloads you know what I mean and it wasn't like working on projects like checking up on things or cleaning things it's like nope ideas yes ideas adding to the sheet adding the inspo you know I have like a Google doc that's like 70 pages about a project that you and I have actually talked about years ago having Indian yeah yeah yeah so it's just like more in there and

it's I can feel her getting ready you know what I mean she's like oh okay Now's the Time but but that's that's really cool okay shift let's talk hair yes yes let's talk about what inspired you to shave it off was there any part of you that was like afraid or after it was totally okay and like was it like regretful or was like yeah tell me it why didn't I do this literally 20 years ago uh so I've been dreaming about shaving my head for a really long time I remember reading an article in

the Village Voice like in the 90s like early 90s like when chenet o Conor was at her Peak and there was there was like a gallery of photos of women with shaved and buzzed heads and I remember thinking every single one of them looks amazing every single one of them looks amazing and I remember one caption of one woman saying it's so cleansing I do it every week and it's like going to the gynecologist and the dentist on the same day which I still remember is like one of the funniest things I've ever heard anybody

say um and and I have I have difficult hair to make look the way that culture and family says pretty hair looks like I know I know how to make it look nice I know what I have to do to make it look nice I know what it costs in time and money and it's a lot and I've been doing it for years and playing that game and I've been getting increasingly resentful um about like my one wild and wonderful and precious life is spent hours and hours and hours in a chair getting highlights and

getting um Keratin treatments and getting blowouts and getting like just having somebody do it so that I look a certain way and can pass for something like whatever that thing is or can pull attention or can be be seen as pretty or attractive or whatever it is and um so I went to a party in New York I don't know almost a year ago and I was looking around and it was a bunch of people our age 40s 50s 60s and I was like and this is New York so this is like a liberal you

know artsy sort of event opening kind of thing and I'm looking around the room and I'm like every single one of these men who are my age have their hair buzzed and they look great like they're a bunch of silver foxes they've got really cool cropped hair a lot of them had thinning hair so they were like get I'm getting rid of it I'm not dealing with this anymore um you know lined faces weathered faces handsome they looked fantastic every one of the women every one of the women had some version of silky flowy complex

looking and I can know cuz can price it out expensive hair yes right and I was like okay I am facing this is a Cho a choice moment in my life I can complain about the different beauty standards for men and women in terms of Aging an expectation of how you're supposed to present or I can just claim the entitlement that these men have and just do it like I can just take it and it's something that I've done so many times in my life where I've been like well I can complain about how unfair

this is about women or I can just step into this space that men own and dominate it and I'm going to do that again like I'm going to do that like I did it as a writer I did it as a journalist I did it as a Solo Traveler I did it as somebody who claimed the entitlement of not needing to raise children like I'm like I'm taking like having my own money you know all of these things I was like I'm I'm taking this like I'm taking this and I'm also going to stop doing

Botox and fillers which I've been doing for years and which I loved because it made me look all dewy and fresh but I'm like who am I looking dewy and fresh for like who like why am I going to be dewy like why I am so I can't tell you how much I want to get like a tattoo like in Gothic thing that's like thug life but it says hag life like I'm so I'm like I'm just gonna go full hag life like and I also thought and around that time I spent a week with

Byron Katie and byon ktie is 83 82 or 83 like white-haired heavily you know like and it's radiantly beautiful and so captivating and I just thought I had this I mean maybe this seems very Elementary but I had this thought of like it is a fundamentally weird thing it's a fun a weird fear to be afraid of getting old yeah like that's a weird thing to be in in resistance against like what is the fear like what is what if there isn't it what if there isn't a fear what if there just isn't what if

you decide to not buy that story anymore um and what if I get to keep all my money now and what if I get to keep all my time now and what if I just go to Walmart and get a $20 pair of Clippers and that's the last money I'm ever going to spend on my hair um and and I Buzz my hair once a week over the toilet what was the first time like did you do it at home I did it at home and my friend Shanker helped me because she used to be

a punk in the 80s because I actually didn't know how to physically do it yes like um so I got a short haircut first the other thing was every time I went to my hairdress who I love um and I would say one of these days I'm just gonna have you just shave this off I kept like for years I've said that to her so it was a fantasy that was kind of like years and she was like well let me just give you a really good short haircut but a really good short haircut is

really hard to maintain yes it's harder to maintain than long hair y um and and I'm like why are we just [ __ ] around with it like what if we just did it what if we just did it so yeah my friend did it and she did the first half of it and then I did the second half and the I think she took a video of me like when I did this like one swipe across and then felt it and there's a video of me and I look like and I'm like it's amazing

like this is the most and I said this is the most important thing I've ever done maybe a little hyperbole but maybe not because like every day I love it like every day I wake up and I I wake up and I'm like Oh my hair's perfect it is like I get out of the shower I'm like my hair's perfect I get out of the bathtub my hair's perfect I jump into the river my hair is perfect I jump the ocean I come out my hair's perfect we're shooting in 2 minutes my hair is perfect

like there's no moment where there's no moment that I don't like it and what I find really interesting is that women are like fascinated by it like they're drawn in and they they get this like far away look of longing and they're like I wish I could do that someday like it's so Out Of Reach like it's like I have a villa in France and not just a zero doll buzzed haircut you know um and the other thing that every single woman says is I would do that but I have a weird-shaped head now listen

it can't be true it can't be true that 100% of women have weird-shaped heads who what is the storyline about weird shaped heads yeah and what is a weird like what is a weird shaped head completely like what is so they're like I would do that but I have a weird shaped head you have a good shaped head I'm like I have a head it's shaped like a head it's shaped similar to your head it's oblong and it's got ears sticking out of it I don't know what it was what is a weird shaped head

um so it's been the coolest and here's the thing I waited so long to do it because I had to wait till I felt like I was post vanity you know where I was like am I post vanity yet like am I ready to just give up like am I am I like hanging it up am I like done trying to be pretty am I done try and I was like I'm willing to give that up to be free because freedom is my foremost virtue like formost number one value in the world freedom freedom so

I'm like all right I'll give up pretty for Freedom like I and and I'll sacrifice and I'm going to look old and like a weird hag but I'm going to do it and then I didn't I was like I look good I was like amazing I really like it like I actually think it's better than my weird blond hair anyway I I love it and that's the story of shaving my head and how long's it been it's been almost a year I can't imagine any reason to ever have hair again kind of amazing these like

I mean you have so many gorgeous adventures and unfoldings and happenings in your life but I'm thinking okay Letters From Love about a year head shaving about I don't know it just feels to me like there's some maybe there's a Saturn return thing happening I don't know I think there's some gorgeous Evolution expansion thing Freedom Liberation thing that's where I'm I'm I'm hold it in that hey if you're ready to start living a life true to you grab my free audio training called how to get anything you want it's in the link right below this

video so whether you want to publish a book buy a house start a business travel the world now is your time so get this free audio training at Marie loves you.com /et anything or if you're watching this episode on video scan the onscreen QR code now let's talk about one of my favorite topics money okay money um okay 30 million copies of e pray love and that's just one of your how many books 10 yeah let's just wherever we want to go with money and creativity and freedom and how you think about money these days

and if whether or not that has changed it has yes yeah okay so I've been worried about money my whole life my parents sat me down when I was eight with a spreadsheet and told me the exact amount of money I was going to need to raise in order to go to college and I remember going to school the next day I was in third grade and this pit of anxiety in my stomach that I don't think lifted until a few years ago that was like how am I going to come up with that kind

of money I'm eight I did it you know like I did it but but I started saving money and worrying about money at the same time and then um I was always super self-reliant and never had anybody support me even when I was a waitress and a bartender I always loved saving money and accumulating money and I knew that it meant Freedom um but I was never not thinking about it in an anxious way and running through like even when I had a ton of it like after e Pray Love suddenly I had a ton

of money but I was always worrying it like worry beads in my mind was it worrying that it was going to go away and I'm curious did you start working with like a money manager like did you have anyone around you that you could trust these are the kind of questions like yes I had an accountant who I trusted okay dearly um and and he was just such a godsend to me and um I mean I knew I kind of knew how to manage money cuz my parents are obsessed and anxious about money and they

know how to manage money so I knew how to like you know I knew how to put it in the right places and do the right things with it um what I didn't know was how to stop feeling frightened just a general Aura of fear all around it like I don't know you know I'm looking back at it now and being like is it that there won't be enough I think it's a scarcity anxiety thing um and that was a big pressure in our household was just like you have you know like there will never

be enough you have to save more you have to save more you have to save more you have to save more that's also true in our society yeah I mean just that I feel like from my observation we just live in this world that's taught us that there's not enough of of Love Of Anything exactly yep especially money especially money so I had that and then the other thing that happened is I'm such a ferocious blackout codependent um that when I got money I started wildly giving it away um and I think part of it

was like I couldn't bear I can't bear to see anybody not get anything they want or need so I became kind of like a fairy godmother just giving everybody everything that they wanted and needed which had mixed results um sometimes really beautiful results sometimes really destructive results um and and then my relationships have always been really expensive um my divorces are expensive my like I pour you know I pour into people yeah you know so I poured I poured a great deal of Myself Away into the people who I loved and called that love and

when I came into 12-step recovery five and a half years ago my sponsor said to me a year in I'm not going to be able to keep working you're going to love this Marie I'm not going to be able to keep working with you if you don't get money sober and and I was like what do you mean by money sober and she said you're still trying to manipulate people and buy love and control people with money but most of all you're trying to buy love with money and you might as well just throw your

whole recovery and sobriety like wated up and throw it over a cliff if you're going to keep doing that because there's a desperation in it and so I set out to get money sober for the first time in my life and I found somebody to work with so I'd worked with financial advisers but I found a financial therapist who was both an accountant and a social worker who worked with people's money trauma so it wasn't about see I'd always been able to manage the money from like a logistical standpoint but not from an emotional standpoint

and we sat down and she did like an 2hour long intake with me and went through my history with money my family's history with money like what all of these relationships were where is my Terror where is my trauma what what are my goals and and then she wrote me like a story about myself that was like lizz's money story and I read it and I started crying because I was like this has been such a huge drama in my life and this person totally gets it and so we have quarterly meetings and we go

over my numbers and she also said to me went through I gave her two years of all of my back everything so she could get an idea of where my money was going and she said do you know she would call me while she was doing it and say like there's a $6,000 check uh who's this person and I'm like I would be like I don't know like I was writing these enormous checks and forgetting that I had done it every single fundraiser online right every single appeal that anybody had I was like here take

it you know like and part of that was the low selfworth of I'm not allowed to have anything and part of it was just like I I'm personally responsible for holding the world because I have a hyper sense of responsibility for everybody and so when she was done doing the assessment she said do you know what percentage of your money over the last two years you have given away to people not necessarily just charity but giving to friends helping people out blah blah blah blah and I said no she said would you like to take

a guess and I was like I don't know like 25% and she said you have given 82% of your money over the last two years away to other people did you know that it's okay if that's what you want to do but did you know that you were doing that and I did not know that I was doing that I was blind to my own and that's what addiction looks like is you're doing stuff behind your own back that you don't even know you're doing because it's so subconscious and so she was like let's talk

about that and let's talk about how much money do you actually want to give away to people and how much do you want to keep and save are you allowed to keep any and save any and so we settled on 15% that I give away um and so the funnest part of our conversation every quarter and then the rule is I'm not allowed to give any money away until I run it by her and so I have a break a braking system to prevent me yes and and then she reviews the quarter then she the

big reveal is how much money I'm allowed to give away she's like you've got this much money that you're allowed to give away and it's so fun at that point because I know I'm not overgiving and the other thing I said was I want to pay myself back for everything that I gave away and lost in all of my romantic relationships tell me more about that meaning as more earnings come in or as more money y Flows in You Want To and let me know if I'm getting this right because this is all fascinating me

yeah thought you'd be into that yeah I love it reclaim it and let's say whether we put it in savings or investment or some form of the nest EG that is like this is continuing to support Liz her her current her future and anything else that she may want to flow towards as we move forward in life okay yes yeah and it's it's a living Financial amends yes that I'm making to myself for the decades that I spent not believing that I was allowed to keep what I had earned wow wow here's the thing ever

since I started working with this person I don't think about money anymore so money was on my mind all the time in a worried way yes but now I've got what we would call in the rooms God good orderly Direction yes and she gives me a pie chart every month and she's like here's your percentages of what you're and it looks She's always like your numbers look good it's even you're balanced you're spending a little bit on yourself a little bit on others you're saving some and you're giving some away um and and you're not

holding yourself responsible for saving the entire world anymore okay let me ask you this question this may not be in an area where you're like I give zero you know what I mean this may be a Zone where Liz Gilbert's like n don't care not interesting one of the things in this topic of money that's been super interesting to me is um just kind of like playing and gaming out how long do I believe that the physical vessel of Marie foro is going to be on the planet do doing her thing whatever her thing May

evolve into being and whether that entails creative projects philanthropic projects traveling projects Joy projects dance you know all the things that we can't even begin to imagine that may unfold in the next few decades hopefully God willing that I'm still here and I love talking with my I have a financial woman who helps me keep track of all the things and we have so much fun because I love to run potential scenarios by her and like oh I'm thinking about X Y or Z what if I wanted to do this or you know come back

from R of course I have downloads of like I'm thinking about this what I love is that knowing my numbers for me is helping me heal remember we were talking earlier about so much of my 20s and 30s are like running and it's so fear-based and it's like have to have to have to because I don't think I'm going to have enough to survive scarcity scarcity scarcity now knowing my numbers helps me start to unpeel that onion and start to find a little bit of Peace and Freedom and relaxation wow cuz I know me it's

like oh the program's still running me right do I'm chasing I'm chasing you know and like so I have a couple of very dear friends who were like what you g to do with it all you know what I mean like oh you got holes in your socks I'm like oh yeah I I do you know like I think you can get new socks stuff do you know what I mean so I'm just now starting to get into the place of going am I allowed to enjoy yeah what I've created yeah anyway so no I

love that and are you oh yes we'll talk more at dinner but but I I was curious I didn't know if you guys if you play with that number at all of like ever how long am I going to live yeah you know just playing with and then but looking at that through the lens of finances and saying oh if Liz ever you you don't want to slow down and you want to keep working but should you ever and this was my other question about this as well how does money um play a part in

what you decide to say yes to or if somebody rolls up and it's a speaking engagement or an invitation do do want this because I'm like or like this audience and I would love to come speak to them for free or whatever it is versus what you actually say yes to that does continue to have abundance Flow To You in the form of money I just got back from teaching I teach a there's a workshop that I teach that's like a weekend long creativity and self-examination and spiritual workshop and I can make more money giving

a 45 minute corporate speech than I can make in three days of like fullon six-hour days with hundreds of people deep engagement but I love doing that yes I love doing the workshops like I'm I'm I'm making money from it but it's like yeah comparison you know um I would rather do that several times a year and be able to watch people's unfolding and and be like the Doula to the thing that they're finding in themselves and have the intimacy and the one-on-one connection with that room then just go talk to Coca-Cola um to a

bunch of Executives which I'll do but it's because those are people too um but but I really love being able to do that and does knowing your numbers help you know yeah yeah yeah yeah that I'm that I'm allowed that I'm allowed to do that yeah yeah I always I love talking about this with especially with women because I have a lot of my own colleagues who are like yeah but I have to keep I'm like but do you really right do you we always ask our you know at each other but do you really

are we running an old program that's been there for do you know what I mean 20s and 30s I have to have to have to or do we know what's happening financially and in your money life where you can start to make perhaps newer braver choices that are really really aligned with your heart yes anyway now I love it I love it it's it's good stuff okay so um for people watching right now who want to ACH achieve their dream life but it feels so far away from how they're living right now is there a

simple framework to start start creating or living into that new perhaps truer version of themselves it's about I think getting greedy with your time and this is something we've been touching on a lot in this conversation and so I'm glad that we can Circle back to it again so my favorite poet is a poet named Jack Gilbert who I talk about a lot no relation to me um who died recently and lived a very free life um freedom was a rare and high value for him above anything else including Fame and success and hustling and

promoting his books and he would routinely disappear for years at a time and go live in Greece on a Mountaintop in a shepherd's Hut and just watch the light change and write poetry and walk um he lived in the mountains of Japan for a while like he would just vanish into nature to be alone with the voices that only he could hear and to toward the end of his life he wrote this poem and he had gone back to Italy and he was living in the middle of nowhere on the top of a mountain and

um and in in the poem he's he's he's like bought a fish from a local fisherman and he's preparing his dinner with a tomato and a fish and an onion and he's living in an old Shepherd's Hut with a lit fire and he's making his food and he's having a conversation with God and God is asking him all these questions about why are you like this I gave you like Florence and Rome and London and you choose to be here in the middle of nowhere like in a stone Hut I gave you a world full

of women and you choose to be here alone I gave you the opportunity to be incredibly successful and wellknown and you kept going away from it to come and be alone and the whole time he's talking to God he's just preparing his fish and then he prepares his fish and he sits outside by himself and he's watching the birds and God says why are you so stubborn and he says I'm not stubborn I'm just greedy get greedy about your time you know and this is a thing that women are never taught or if the word

greed is used it's about hoarding more and more material things which will not do it in terms of your satisfaction your soul is greedy for something and start getting greedy in that way of like you can't have greedy to me means you can't have this like you can't have this like the reason I don't live with anybody anymore is because I'm greedy for my mornings for my quiet evenings for my bath time for my own food you can't have it I'm not giving it to you and I know that for a lot of people life

is so real and so intrusive and you've got so many commitments and obligations and you've been trained as a woman that what will make you a good woman is to only give until you literally die and where in your life can you take some of it back and can you start to get greedy that's how it begins do you have a secret dream is there anything that you've wanted to do or be that hasn't come on to the main stage quite yet I just want to be a swamp witch I like just want to be

a hag I just want to be like a weird old lady um and that's coming in time I'm still out in the world a lot and and I have a big life of people who I love but what my secret dream is is like deep Solitude deeper and deeper and deeper levels of solitude next summer I'm doing this um Darkness Retreat have you ever heard of that no um it's one of those things sometimes I hear about something and I'm like well I guess I have to do that now and somebody I knew did it

and I was like like I find my whole body leaning in and I'm like what what what what did you do it's this place in Oregon where you go in the mountains and they have these little cabins and they put you in a cabin for four days in pitch dark and silence and I'm doing that because I'm greedy for that experience of what what I will see um in in that deep Solitude and deep Darkness it's like sort of going into the cave and coming out four days later um I did a future self meditation

once and I saw myself living um in my late 60s on the side of a mountain in Costa Rica and I was so cool looking I it was before I shaved my head and I saw myself with the shaved head and it was all white and like my nose had just gotten bigger and bigger and bigger you know like and and I'd gotten really like siney and muscly and brown and spotted and I looked like a hawk and I saw myself just sitting with these Vivid bright blue eyes alone and I said in my meditation

to her what do you do all day and she said we talk to God and I said what about all the people and she said we left them all behind and it was one of the most exciting things I'd ever seen in my entire life was the Glee in her face we left them all behind so that is my secret dream to become a crone hag old Hawk sitting on the edge of a mountain talking to God all day alone absolutely perfect and stunning and exciting I love it too oh I love it so much

cackle cackle I'm like everything in me is like I'm I'm doing cartwheels all around us like and pom pom and high kicks and everything Liz Gilbert I continue to adore you love you respect you thank you so much for making the time to be with us today I'm so excited for all the goodness coming I'm so excited to continue um I need to do more of my letters from love practice because there's there's a lot more that I think uh every day there's something for you there something for me there you just go claim it

get get get greedy about it and I could not love you more Marie forio and I always love talking to you and being with you and now we're going to go eat some Italian food right yes please that's what you promised I it's happening we'll see you soon everyone bye everybody we love you hey if you love this video you need to watch this one next trust me on that