Piers Morgan vs Tristan Tate | The Full Interview

Tristan first of all your reaction to that extraordinary interview I just finish with your brother I think that was one of the best interviews ever conducted with Andrew I actually I don't know how hard you're going to go on me so perhaps I'm making a mistake saying this I I like how you challenge your guests I like how you seem to have a very impartial opinion on people you don't judge things one way or another before you go into the interviews and I think that made the interview with Andrew very interesting I'm I'm very excited

to see the public response I mean like I said to him I'm not here to to convict you or otherwise I don't know if you're guilty or not of the charges LED against you will establish that in a trial or otherwise I mean it may not even go to trial no it might not I mean it seems to me there's been an interesting relaxing of restrictions against you and your brother really from the time you were put in prison at the start of the year what do you read into that well if you understand how

the Romanian justice system works again I have to be very careful what I say the pressure to put us in jail comes from not organizations there are many great people who work organizations like decot which is the organization investigating us but it comes from individuals individual prosecutors who I am very much a trophy for I would say so the the absolute obsession with putting me in jail comes from these people but these people have nothing to do with judges you see at the end of the day if you investigate me for a year and a

half throw me in jail drag my name through the mud eventually you're going to have to come up with a file of evidence and show it to a judge so the people who keep letting me go are the people who've seen that file of evidence and don't have a motivation to keep me in jail so that's it broken down as simply as I can in the BBC report of the prosecution files the quote you were saying about the women who worked on your webcam business I'm going to slave these I'm going to make them work

even more hours and hours and hours I work these like slaves slave work minimum 10 or 12 hours a day that is not true at all so you never said that um no well you said it sarcastically no I didn't say it sarcastically at all that is about my ex-girlfriend cleaning my house so what you have to understand is when you go through a man's phone you have four years and hundreds of thousands millions of messages to everyone he's ever spoken to now this is about human trafficking my my um accusation so anyone coerced anyone

forced anyone tied up anyone kidnapped anyone sold anyone moved none of that is in any of my WhatsApp conversations but decot and the prosecutor essentially can eliminate parts of the conversation that he says are not relevant now if you look at the timings between the messages and all these conversations that look very bad he's deleting various things a lot of lol's and a lot of hahas because believe me if you were to read mine and my brother's conversations even right now you could probably accuse me of conspiracy to commit murder because the stupid things that

we talk about I was talking about to commit murder I mean Andrew I'm going to kill you when I get home like things like this which can be used you know in a very negative way you accept you've used language about oh loads I've used I've used worse language that so but how do you feel about that now it's all been laid bad well it's very unfortunate that I think this conversation is 3 years old I think our house was messy after a party and I was saying oh yeah she's my slave don't worry I'll

get her working um way you do you regret using language like that no I don't because really well last week my daughter's mother sent me a photo of her drawing on the wall with crayons and I said hahaa I'm going to kill her when I get home now you could delete the hah haa because you feel that's irrelevant because you're the prosecutor and you can arrest me and all my friends and throw me in jail for conspiracy to commit the murder of children you could do that if you wish i' ask not the way I

meant it but I'd ask a different question I would say when your daughter grows up yes how would you like it if another man spoke about your daughter by saying I'm going to slave the I'm going to make her work even more hours and hours I work this like a slave if someone said that and you saw it actually in a message they sent about your daughter how would you feel well that's not the best message to have sent and you know there's lots of lock talk I regret you regret it or you don't I

no I don't I regret that it became public because you know the way men speak to each other if I were to go through all of your WhatsApp messages I don't know what I'd find it you wouldn't mind if if a man spoke that way about your daughter when she's older you wouldn't mind or you would mind of course I would mind but it depends on the context of the relationship you think disrespect the girl I was talking about cleaning my house at the time I'm no longer with her and also this conversation is not

about anyone who's listed as a victim in the file which is a very important distinction to make the girl I was talking about I wasn't very I was very in love with at the time I had a very great relationship with at the time you know if you say to your girlfriend oh come here I'm going to spank you that's not you know if you if you're her coworker or you're a man who stalking her it's a very different context if you're her boyfriend the problem is that in the context of what you've been accused

of yes the prosecutor can make it look bad this looks damning of course but what he doesn't do is he doesn't show the whole conversations to any judge that is a carefully manipulated and edited and actually constructed conversation as all of the conversations are this whole lover boy thing right the the suggestion is that you and Andrew basically you're two good-looking fast talkinging Smart Guys right and you've you know had plenty of money and you've enjoyed yourselves fine yes and that you've managed to deliberately or otherwise but the suggestion is deliberately persuade a lot of

women to fall in love with you very quickly and then you use that relationship and how they feel about you to then guide them towards making money from webcam well that's interesting um of the seven women that you've listed none of them or none of which we can name do you know how many of them ever worked at my old webcaming business I had many years ago of the seven victims listed how many of them were in any way related to any of the activities I did when I ran a webcam Studio the answer pie

years you'd be surprised to know is zero people on the internet I call them Twitter detectives not the police not Deon not even this over ambitious prosecutor because there are webcam Studios all over the city has tried to make any criminal complaint about that small business that me and Andrew as he said dipped our toe in I Was Made Me running it to be fair all those years ago none of these people who are are alleged victims today have anything to do with the webcam Studio but if you watch Clips on Twitter when we speak

as a 24-year-old vulgarly oh yeah you know I'm I'm I'm pimping cuz I'm in the club with a bunch of girls you know when we speak that way it's easy to say ah look he's admitted he's confessed to his crimes the old webcam studio and the current investigation have zero strings in between them so the question in of itself doesn't make sense if you understand that you could face further time in jail if you're convicted yes of these offenses a long time in jail you were in jail earlier this year what was that experience like

for you jail was you know when you're going through something really difficult and it's almost unbearable whether it be a difficult gym session or you know a major setback and you come out after it's finished and the moment it ends you're like yeah I'm glad that happened jail was hell every single day but the moment we got that phone call saying a judge who's now seen the evidence that they've allegedly raised against you um has decided to to release you I was very happy for the experience I'm very happy I spent three months living in

those conditions what did you find out about yourself I didn't find out anything new I feel like it was my opportunity to show to myself and to my brother and to the world that I am the man who I say I am I always preach being mentally strong physically strong uh you know I put on this tough guy persona but I don't think he a tough guy persona because if I can survive three months in a Romanian prison without incident without tears without being upset you didn't shed any tears I did not in jail did

you know that Andrew had I believe that Andrew's tears were tears of anger was more Angry than I was whereas me and Andrew are very balanced we have a very balanced relationship we keep each other in check when he's angry I calm him down when I'm angry he calms me down I believe Andrew was a lot angrier at the situation Andrew knew a lot less about the situation I can at least read some Romanian I was trying to make sense of it all he was sitting there in pure frustration um for they're serious criminal charges

well they're serious criminal charges but what I would say to you is what is the serious criminal evidence so again this is from the I'm going to work this for hours it's about a girl cleaning my house by the way so this is the big bombshell the BBC because I don't know how they got the indictment but the indictment should be private I'd love to give you a copy I really would but the criminal indictment isn't what the prosecutor says I've done it's the evidence against me so if the BBC have read their grubby little

fingers through all of this evidence and all the files and the worst thing they have to come at me with is ah Tristan you said this girl's your slave I've said that I've said worse things have you ever coerced women no I've never coerced anybody into doing anything they don't like do you ex as I said to Andrew that some of the language even in the things he tweets now suggests that his idea of how women should be treated is that they effectively are a form of slave to a man you know Pierce I really

like you and I sometimes feel you you fall for Andrew's little traps and it's really wonderful to watch because it's not the things he says it's the way he says them and the way he says them can get people very riled up when I was sitting listening to your interview about women shouldn't work and be taken care of Etc it actually sh took me back about 12 or 13 years to an interview I saw I can't remember I think it was on ITV with the late Christopher Hitchens you probably knew him did I did not

know Christopher Hitchens I was I was I think he died way before I became relevant but he was sitting there with this female journalist and he's saying he his exact words were oh I don't want Mrs Hitchens to be coarsened in the labor market why would I want my women courson in the labor market no if she's with me she can work if she wants but she doesn't have to now he was not labeled the world's biggest misogynist he was actually hailed as an intellectual in this time I read all of his books I used

to be a a big fan of his but um he said exactly the same thing Andrew said exactly the same thing with different intonations and different tones and you probably knew him you didn't attack him back then for saying that did you but and judge he could get people R Christ Vin is no longer with us sadly a brilliant man in many ways I disagree with him about many things but he's not why I'm here obviously yeah of course um you know it just seems to me that the rhetoric particularly by Andrew but also some

of the stuff they found with you the way that you talk about women may be part of the problem you found yourselves in here and from Andrew's recent tweeting there's no sign to me that he is is aware or self-aware of quite how some of this stuff comes over I understand and that maybe that has been part of the problem here with you guys well again when you look at Andrew Tate and Tristan Tate and you try to label Mis them misogynist you gender the argument if I were accused of anything else and they were

to read the conversations which they did read by the way between me and my friends the insults we give each other the threats we make to each other do you think a woman's place is at home serving her man um I no no no I believe my woman's place is at home serving her family I serve my family she should go to work we Ser she wouldn't have to if if do if if if I wanted her to and she wanted to and we agreed as a you wanted her to if we agreed as a

family what if you don't want her to but she does well in the same way that if I was working a normal job and I got a promotion that would that would mean that I move out of the City or we move as a family we'd sit there and discuss it as a family I don't believe that there's one rule for every single family I don't see Andrew Andrew does I don't see in the future of my woman working no because I think I could take care of my woman I could take care of my

you wouldn't be I don't think you'd be with a woman who wanted to work right I've been with women who worked and how did that go wonderfully I've had some absolutely wonderful relationships well doesn't that prove the point that that's this whole idea a woman has to stay at home and serve her man is actually a lot of cobblers again I don't think serve her man was uh was something Andrew specifically said I would he did I mean I that's why I read that whole tweet well Andrew is not me and I'm not Andrew what

I would say is a woman serves her family are you different in your outlook oh me and Andrew are very different me and Andrew are very different people rolling stone in a profile uh said this about Rolling Stone their relationship Dynamic is very odd it's like Tristan is held captive by Andrew and believes or follows everything Andrew says or does I don't believe or follow a lot of things that Andrew says or does um you know I get asked every single day to counter EJ Dickinson is This Woman's name I could tell you some horrible

stories about the people who she's harassed and bothered this Rolling Stone woman um the things Andrew says and does I mean I get asked what don't you like about his views what the the major one the major one when people say oh Tristan now that you've converted to Islam I'm like I haven't converted to Islam who says I converted to Islam No I'm an Orthodox Christian I've have not converted to Islam what do you think of his conversion I think that it's a it's not my place to even comment on it now some of the

greatest religious discussions I've have had have been with Andrew since his reversion since him reading the Quran most of it of which he covered in in prison and we sit there and discuss these various ideas but I believe that individual religious conviction is exactly that it's individual and I don't believe whether I'm his brother whether I'm his son mother Uncle I have no place to tell him what his religious conviction should be just as he has no business to tell me mine so I'm I'm happy for him because he's become a happier and better person

are you Rivals um yes oh absolutely but in the best and most healthy way I can't watch him train in the gym for an hour in the morning and then not train for an hour myself I can't sit there drinking and relaxing and partying while he's on his laptop working you ever fight no never we never argue you never physically fight oh we used to physically fight all the time we're both professional athletes so we used to beat each other up in the in the ring for sparring who would win oh Andrew would win um

I was good I was the European champion at my Peak but Andrew was built for Andrew's I mean see my broken nose it leans this way first time it was broken was by him and it got weaker after that and I had it broken twice subsequently in kickboxing matches but yeah we we are rivals in the way that we Inspire each other to work better and to be better but not rivals in any way that his success would upset me or my success would upset him when you in jail together yes so a period of

that 3 months you were actually in the same cell indeed for about half of it what did you what did you talk about when it's just you and him and you're thinking we may never get out of it ah lots of things books religion the case obviously um explaining trying to understand when you a cockroach infested tiny cell together yes you've gone from being the top G and his brother with your Bugattis your cigars the the the lifestyle the women and so on to literally nothing in a very degrading environment that you find yourself in

and you've got no idea how this plays out or How It Ends or even if you get out I mean that's a pretty that's a big moment yeah I guess it's uh it is a big moment but I always knew that we were going to be okay you know even when I was separate for him I wasn't worried that he was banging his head against the wall or self harming or doing anything stupid again he wasn't worried about me uh we obviously weren't worried that the other brother and I know you can't share in this

conviction I know he's not a criminal I know he has no skeletons in his closet and no criminal past he knows exactly the same about me so we were very relaxed um I guess in jail I was more relaxed than I am now because in prison I assumed that the prosecutor whose job by the Romanian Constitution by the way he's not a district attorney like in the United States where he is told he has to argue that you're guilty and that's it the prosecutor's job actually here is to discern the truth of the situation so

obv sitting in jail relatively relaxed well this is going to end any day now I mean human trafficking this is this is stupid it's not going to happen like not going to sentence me to jail for this it was only when I got out that I learned the true motivations behind this that made me actually more worried than I was in jail so in jail I was relatively relaxed trained every day ate their horrible food did my push-ups it was all right mental break no electronics did your mother was she able to come and see

you or not no no in fact could you speak to her for some reason and I I cannot tell you why I was banned from visitors that includes my daughter the mother of my daughter that includes any friends was Andrew as well um I don't believe so but for No One tried to visit him maybe they were rejected at the prison gate I don't know but I was at one point it's on file it's on paperwork at one point I was banned from receiving visitors could you make calls uh there was some phone time but

I didn't make a single call while I was in prison I spent three months without speaking to anybody other than Andrew no only my lawyer actually only my lawyer and did you get into similar physical threatening situations that he did no I mean Andrew had like a few Mexican standoffs let's say but I think that jail is a world of realities and you know lots of tough guys whether they be Romanian or British or American nowadays the tough guy move is you've offended me I'm going to use my phone I'm going to call the boys

and the boys are going to come beat you up I think that that is the standard operating procedure in in lots of the world I mean as Andrew said I come from a council state I understand this very well when you walk into a prison cell that's not the reality the reality is if I start a fight with this guy it may be 10 to 15 minutes before anyone shows up and I'm a 6'4 17 and a half Stone former kickboxer everyone knows me everyone knows I'm a professional athlete so I actually didn't have any

problems at all I would say that everyone was very kind and very respectful to me not just because they were intimidated by me no absolutely not because there were some guys in there who I should have been intimidated by but I give respect and I I think I receive it back and I I did I did okay in that environment people often say and it's certainly true from people I've interviewed over the years that you're a product of your environment particularly of your parents yes in a November 2011 Facebook post your father Emory wrote that

the Eternal problem of the alpha male was protecting his flock of women he said but times I struck a woman brackets in passion I never left a mark no Trace hyper contr control super control of a human animal they love me still um I've never heard that before in my life I'm smiling man cuz I can I can imagine his voice saying it um you can I can imagine his voice saying it the only times I've struck a woman in Brackets in passion have you ever struck a woman in passion Pi no you haven't no

not a little spank well once let's let's keep this above board but I want to Pi but I'm saying like I understand how you're trying to phrase this no I my my father is dead and no I'm I'm not I'm not trying to phrase it in anyway I'm just curious what you think you meant by that um I I honestly don't know I mean keep in mind my father died when I was 27 and that post was written a long time ago I've never heard it before I've never seen it before what kind of father

was he in terms of the values he instilled in you and Andrew oh he was a wonderful man and he was a very protective man over his family and the people he cared about uh I mean they have't they they got divorced many many years ago but even with his dying breath he would have jumped in to fight 10 men to defend my mother and her honor um that's the kind of guy he was super protective and super you know involved in everyone he loves life even if he was far away you know the phone

calls were were constant the emails were constant and he held us very accountable as young men Andrew tweeted last year my dad was a chess genius CIA operative my mother was a dinner lady they had nothing in common dad said she fed you boys healthy meals every day cleaned the house and was largely quiet I loved her very much that's literally all men want is that are you asking if that's an accurate description of my parents relationship perhaps yeah but my mother was a wonderful mother see I don't I don't think but they split they

split up of course of course they did but that does well so when he says that's literally all men one they split up way before I was old enough to understand marriage or sexual or male or female Dynamics by the way so I can't even comment on their marriage what I can comment on is how they were as parents and what I will say is I don't look back on my childhood raised in a council estate uh on state benefits you know I was free school lunches I don't look back on that and think oh

my mother was a terrible mother because we didn't have any money because I don't think it was my mother's job to to I guess provide as much as my father was doing his best from the United States but I will look back and say my mother was an absolutely wonderful mother I had three Square meals a day um she knew how to M manage her finances didn't smoke didn't go out with her friends uh made sure my clothes were always washed knew how to mend things she was she is how does she feel about the

fact both her boys are in this serious legal Jeopardy well you have to understand she's known us our entire our entire lives and you haven't you know when I was 15 16 18 all my friends were selling drugs and breaking into cars I was down at the kickboxing gym every single day I would get into the kickboxing ring for 50s after 8 weeks training just because I found Harmony in the discipline that sport gave me I think kickboxing is massively largely responsible for keeping me from ever doing anything illegal never tried a drug in my

life uh never broken a law in my life never broken any law I was speeding you know if you I mean we're talking I'm talking about serious crimes and my mother's known that even at my most desperate and my most poor I would come home to her and sleep on her counts for 6 months as opposed to do anything illegal and try to find an honest good way of uh legal way at least of making money so the idea she worried about you the situation you're in well she's not she's worried about the situation but

she has no no doubt in her mind that I haven't done any heinous things against women especially for money because it doesn't make sense that after going through what I've gone through and avoiding any legal problems suddenly I'm worth hundreds of millions of dollars and I decide that's the time to start trafficking when you look at this whole setup of the war room and the the generals and the I think Andrew said 4,000 people are members now yes when I saw the the web chat logs and so on he says a lot of that isn't

true I don't know we'll have to wait and see whether that's verified or not but a lot of the language that's used seems to be that people are being encouraged to spend all this money to join a kind of cult where they are encouraged to treat women as second class citizens absolutely not true one I don't that's what comes over in these one I I I believe the screenshots you've seen are fake one one absolutely two I would say I'm a member of the War Room the War Room has nothing to do with me I'm

just a war room member like everybody else and I find lots of great help within the war room within whenever I want to do business with somebody if I want to transfer money to certain countries if I want to you know find somebody who has talents that I don't to recruit people to find people to work for me that's what I use the War Room for if you I don't think any network in the world would exist where men sit around and just complain about women and and and try and treat Wom women as second

class citizens I mean surely would compl I wouldn't want to take part it's more like there one of the running themes is to get the woman to tattoo your name on herself I have well that's that's clearly not true what youve what you've read is fake and it's made up by stupid journalists there's 12,000 pages of it there's 12,000 Pages well it doesn't matter it's very easy to find some chat logs and enter little lines into it I don't think that it's also very easy to say yeah a bit of it was well here's well

here's the thing if 4,000 people are talking across hundreds of different rooms 24 hours a day right now since the beginning of our inter interview probably 300 400 messages have been sent inside the war room I can't tell you exactly what everyone has said over the last four years and what they haven't said I can't what I'm saying is in my experience inside of the war room that is absolutely not what the War Room stands for that's not absolutely not what the War Room teaches preaches what anyone I know from the War Room believes all

the people I know from the War Room are happily married men guys with families Guys with Kids successful businessmen people who run construction companies real honest great people and that does not represent us so I think it's fake you guys have preached a message of masculinity and I'm all in favor of masculinity great many other people have categorized it as toxic masculinity because of the misogyny and so on do you feel that maybe you have collectively gone too far in the misogyny and that has been again one of the reasons you find yourself in the

problems you're in well again when I say first of the kind of alpha male well what have I said what have I said that's no I'm just asking you generally whether you feel that's part of the problem I don't I don't think that's part of the problem I don't think it is a problem at all I think that when somebody has speak been speaking on the internet for a decade you have to understand that first of all lots and lots of content is produc and it's very easy to cherry pick and to take things out

of context and number two the man speaking on the internet 10 years ago is not the man sitting in being interviewed by you today you know who I was when I was 25 I fancied myself a bit of a dating coach used to give people advice on how to meet women and how to pick that's not how I Live Now I'm 35 I'm not 25 you at 25 I'm sure were very vastly different than you are today so you know I don't think there's a problem with anything I've said because I've never advocated for anything

illegal I've never advocated for any crime I do not advocate for drugs I do not advocate for violence I do not advocate for any of these things so if Andrew said that women can't drive as well as men once like it's very easy to jump on that and say this man is the world's biggest misogynist because he said X and I think it's he said a he said a lot worse things than that I I do think that was that was the original reason he I do think he said a lot of blatantly misogynous things

I don't think he's even really aware I don't think he even thinks they are misogynous well that depends on your worldview and it actually depends on the worldview of where you live because if you were to walk around the country of Romania the great country of Romania and you were to talk to people and say some of the misogynistic things you've heard Andrew me anyone else in the world say in England that are considered misogyny the men and the women here would be like yeah huh what misogynistic what what's like that does that's not a

very good defense well no it's not the fact that other countries I'm I'm not trying other countries Toler it no I'm not trying I'm not trying to defend myself but the man should go out and work and the woman should stay home and take care of the family this is my point so in England that's for some reason makes people's heads explode when I say that's how I want to live I'm happy I'm not saying you're perfectly entit to live how you like absolutely you guys have made millions of millions of pounds out of preaching

that message and the and the criticism is that young impressionable teenage boys in particular have been led to believe by you guys that the only way to succeed in life is with that Dynamic where the man in charge he's the hunter he's the provider the woman stays at home she makes herself look good and she her only whole modus operand each day a whole raise on debt just to get up and make a man feel good I'm going to correct you because I think you're completely wrong about what me and Andrew preach what me and

Andrew preach is a message of masculine excellence and when you are an excellent man when you are strong Smart Sharp all of the things that we tell young men to be disciplin then you can find a wife and a woman and a life and a dynamic for wives if you like and live exactly how you want I don't tell yeah and you can have a wife who's more successful than you dat a judge or a la you both basically believe women should stay at home and not go to work no I I believe that I

want my woman at home with my family and that's the way I wish to live however that's also what you preach that's also what you preach in your University right I mean you you you think I I Don't Preach anything inside of any University right well okay no the no the university sorry if you're talking about the real world the the online educational platform which has been attacked and slandered more than me keep in mind I don't own it it's been slandered and attacked said that it teaches people how to abuse women what kind of

app would teach people how to abuse women it's insane it teaches web design e-commerce copyrighting cryptocurrency trading basic methods of wealth wealth creation and that's it it actually has nothing to do with teaching anyone anything about women to the point that women are members the war loads of members sub the War Room well the War Room doesn't have female members no I can explain why that is if you care but I don't think it's that a reason well I I would say that I don't have or my brother or any of the men in the

War Room don't have any business telling women how to be women you see we're not misogynists if we were to get women into a group and say hey women you need to be like this you need to be like that no Andrew Andrew tells women how they should be all the time including a lengthy tweet I read I read to him it was only last week and that's my point I read the whole tweet for a reason is it went on and on and on and honestly it was just blatantly misogynist yeah but people can

take that or leave it this is Twitter that's a public it doesn't make it not misogyny well you misog and here's where your massive reach influence becomes problematic to me because I see on the streets when I walk around in London in particular the number of kids who come up to me all star eyed about the tape Brothers right and they're like you know top G and blah blah blah blah blah but they're being conditioned to think by a constant rhetoric mainly from Andrew but I don't think you're particularly that different in your worldview of

how women's place in the world should be that they're led to believe that if you know if a woman wants to go to work there's something wrong with that and we we're in a very different place now to where we were in the 50s you know a lot of women love going to work love their jobs they're successful often they may be the main Breadwinner in the family right the whole dynamic has changed there's no suggestion that there's a repeated patent of women that go to work that have unhappy marriages or lives or unhappy children

no but I believe Society has gotten much worse in the last 30 40 years and I because of women going to work no not because of women going to work because of men losing the agency to discipline the children in the household and to be seen as the figurehead now that's my personal opinion and if find it misogynistic that's completely fine but I will say that on places like Twitter what I won't do is get any young man personally or speak with young men personally in a personal conversation say Hey you need a woman who

you could control and can't go to work and stuff that is absolutely not what we do I think Ricky J's made a very interesting point about people putting something on Twitter and people taking it personally like it's written for them it's not written for them Andrew can live the way he wants to live and let me tell you me and Andrew live in very different ways in regards to the the way we see relationships Etc because we are both very different people but he can live the way he wants to live because one him and

his girlfriend are both consenting adults and that's their prerogative two he's achieved a level of success and and masculine Excellence where he has the choice of picking which type of women he wants to date I like different types of women you've achieved masculine Excellence yourself piers and you I'm sure have a very happy relationship with whichever woman is in your life yeah but I I actually I do believe masculinity is important and I don't like the way it's always constantly reframed as toxic great we agree but but I do think that the constant stream of

misogynist statements but I'm talking mainly about Andrew but the constant stream with them I'm not even sure he's aware of how they come over that's and that was clear from our interview yeah well again and people could take what what's put on Twitter and they can either apply it to their lives or not they can take it personally or not I don't know how many followers Andrew has on Twitter millions millions of millions people million he's not writing it aimed at women or aimed at men or aimed at anybody is well he's voicing his own

opinions about how he lives his life but to a massive audience to a massive audience a and then you guys do your YouTube stuff and that has a massive audience on Rumble not YouTube YouTube I'm sorry you're banned from YouTube right but you're on Rumble you're banned from some platforms you're allowed on you're allow back on Twitter and so oned um you know it's a look I just think it's for me when I look at all the rhetoric the stuff that I find most problematic to use the phrase of the the buzz phrase of our

era absolutely it's simply where I feel like if it Strays into that misogyny I think you let yourselves down that you have you have a good message in many ways you know a lot of the stuff not withstanding the serious charges you're facing and we'll have to see how that all plays out and maybe you both are very different people to the ones you're claiming to be we'll find out right but in terms of your general rhetoric I find that constant running underpinning theme of misogyny and about where A Woman's Place should be that is

the problem in terms of the influence on young men they shouldn't all be walking around thinking that A Woman's Place is only in the home serving their men and that somehow their only thought process each each day women should be how do I please my man not can I get a fulfilling job or any of those things but no you stay at home self-improvement make yourself look good obey his instructions all that kind of stuff but Andrew talking about the way that he wants his relationship not it's not it's to what advocating and forcing the

whole world to see way yeah but that's the delusion because well no because he you can say he only wants that for himself right by the way he's allowed any relationship he wants but when you pretend that when he says those things they're not Amplified to literally tens of millions of young men but here's why you're wrong then you know that's not true well here's why you're wrong because you assume that Andrew tapate for some reason in this conversation is the only influencer in the world and the only people uh person people listen to because

he's not at all the internet I tell you he's one of the most influential no he absolutely is and that's great and that's the part of that's the part of his influence that I think is a potentially Mal and it's wonderful and good and you don't have to like it but let me tell you each every Force has an equal opposite for somewhere else so on on X Elon has now legalized free speech on that platform so there are differing opinions on every single um on every single aspect of life including how you want to

date women what kind of music you should listen to what kind of cars are good what kind of whatever it is so for every Andrew Tate out there there's some feminist only fans model who lives in Florida who makes rap music who's saying that men are nothing and Men AR so the people who are listening to Andrew T aren't listening to Andrew T they're listening to the internet as a whole and I believe Andrew's message is one overwhelmingly positive absolutely overwhelmingly positive and I believe he's a very important mark on that spectrum of opinions that

exist out there because when you delete Andrew Tate the mean average of people will drift down this toilet of degeneracy and become less like Andrew Tate he's a professional athlete with a with a completely clean criminal record by the way um who's massively financially successful who's kind who's generous he runs his own charity he's the best brother he's the best father he's the best uncle he's an absolutely wonderful men and I would love to see more men become like him so I like his opinions and I like the fact that he's out there Tristan tight

thank you it's been a pleasure