Mark Zuckerberg On The Future of AI, His Programming Days, and Orion AR

glasses are going to be the next major Computing platform is we're going to get to this point probably sometime in the 2030s where you have your phone with you but it's going to stay in your pocket more because you're just going to be doing more and more things on your glasses that maybe today you would do on your phone Mark I want to go back a bit actually a long ways to when you first built Facebook I believe you initially built Facebook in PHP if you were to build it today what programming language would you

choose I think if I'd built it even like a year or two later would have been python the first version of Facebook was something I threw together in like a couple of weeks based on like a bunch of other stuff that I was working on for fun looking ahe 100 years from now what do you want to be remembered for and what do you want meta to be remembered for oh hi Mark how are you today hey good to see you thanks for coming to connect thanks for having me today has been so exciting so

many amazing announcements I'm curious to hear now I know this is like picking a favorite child impossible but what are some of your favorite announcements from today oh man I mean there's a lot so I mean Quest 3s at $299 that's awesome I mean Quest 2 when we got to $300 that was like a killer price point for that so I I I I'm super proud of what we did with Quest 3 and the high quality mixed reality but getting it to $300 now I think is going to be a really big deal for a

lot of people all the AI stuff I think is a is a really big deal um the voice is is I think you know it's just so much more natural right now with Med AI texted a few questions uh every day but when I was playing around with it with my daughters last night and we just had like a 15minute conversation about like what our family should be for Halloween and and it's just like a completely different vibe when you're using it with voice so I think that's going to be a big deal all the

AI stuff that we're bringing to the ray bands I think is going to be neat and making it so your glasses can help you remember things um making it that now the glasses can give you suggestions and help while you're doing things whether it's cooking or like picking out an outfit or whatever you're doing and then obviously Orion right I mean the I mean the I they're just crazy glasses right it's like the first full wide field of view holographic AR glasses it's um you not ready to ship them yet as a consumer product but

you know we've been working on that thing for like 10 years so it's um so I'm I I'm really excited to just get to show it to people I know I so I got to try Orion yesterday I was blown away speechless I I wish I could put it into words but first of all they're so lightweight I I could picture myself wearing it the entire day and how it would be useful from waking up to going to bed the gestures as well it just came so naturally it was yeah the neural interface is pretty

sweet yeah it really is so I'm I'm very excited about that and uh everything else you listed of course to yeah Mark I want to go back a bit actually a long ways to when you first built Facebook I believe you initially built Facebook in PHP correct me if I'm wrong no that's correct if you were to build it today what programming language would you choose oh I think if I'd built it even like a year or two later it would have been python nice but but you're just talking about the website I mean now

if you're starting something it would probably be mobile first today yes and cuz I mean obviously that Paradigm changed right over the you know by you know 2010 or something most development was mobile and I don't know and the answer will change in the future it'll be whatever um programming language is the most important for the glasses exactly in the future I mean it's that was another thing we launched the mixed reality version of Instagram and and Facebook today which I think is going to be awesome it's like you just get this big screen experience

of feed and reals but yeah um I PHP it's it's it's it was easy to hack around it and it was just sort of like the development environment that I had the most set up back then I did like all these fun projects and you know the first version of Facebook was something I threw together in like a couple of weeks based on like a bunch of other stuff that I was working on for fun when I was when I was in school class um stuff around I mean I did a bunch of pranks a

bunch of a bunch of study tools a bunch of um different stuff for the for my for my school around um helping people figure out what classes they should take all that but I was just constantly building stuff it was fun that's really cool that sounds I'm I'm in that stage right now constantly building stuff it's fun it is fun yeah and it's and it's clearly never changed for you you're always iterating building like building stuff yeah ex it's good to not get you know especially the the phase like you're talking about it's like trying

like experimenting with a lot of stuff lets you figure out what resonates right rather than just yeah just going kind of committing too early to something I like that speaking of coding and Technology I know you're you're very uh passionate about open uh Source AI totally I'm curious to hear why was it so important to you to ensure llama was open source yeah well we've done a lot of Open Source work uh at meta over the years and I mean honestly i' I'd like to say that it's because like we had some amazing Vision on

this but a lot of it was just because you know we got started after a lot of the other big tech companies and they had this great infrastructure and by the time that we built it um it wasn't you know a proprietary Advantage for us so our view was and this goes back to like our server designs everything early on so it was just like okay we might as well open source this so that way we can get the benefit of the whole Community using this um and the improvements that everyone brings but you know

if you go back to the beginning of of Facebook and a lot of the infrastructure that we built like Google already had kind of proprietary closed versions of all the infrastructure that we needed to build it just kind of made sense so we had a lot of experience with that and how it was really useful for us and by the time we got to AI models just like okay well making all of our other infrastructure is generally making it all open source has generally been good for us so let's try that with llama and it's

been good it's been very good I know myself and millions of other developers are very happy that it's open source what are some of the coolest projects you've seen developers build on llama well I mean people f- tune it to do a lot of crazy things right so a lot of the stuff um I don't even necessarily realize is llama until a developer or an entrepreneur comes up to me later and is like oh this like is this foundational part of how like recommendations or um or how we solve this problem in our app and

it's like in in all different domains Commerce music I mean it's yeah I mean just it's it's like but that's that's the thing that's so neat about AI is it is like the ultimate General technology right um it's the difference between kind of traditional machine learning applications and general intelligence is that it can be used for all these different uh you know just basically every domain 100% And it enables so many people in different domains to you know build different things help with different tasks it's it's really incredible yeah Mark I'm curious to hear so

going back to Orion for a sec uh I know I mentioned earlier it kind of blew my mind so I'd love to hear more uh about your thoughts around it you mentioned I think it was how long it was in the works for quite a few years is that right oh yeah I think we got started working on this around 2014 wow now I mean that was when the Oculus team first joined us yeah and they obviously weren't working on AR I mean they had the Oculus team was working on PC VR so it's been

quite a few leaps from you know what we were that team what we were originally doing to this but the vision has been pretty consistent we knew we needed Standalone headsets um for for mixed reality um and we knew that glasses were the ultimate form factor that we were going for So within maybe a year two of of um really spinning up that effort started working on the glasses version of it and then obviously you know you start off with a small team and they're exploring and then you kind of figure out what will be

possible and um in the in the early days of working on something you're more just figuring out what are all the challenges that we need to solve and it's like okay we're going to need a new display stack with wave guides and projectors it's like okay so now we need to go build a team around who are the best people who are doing wave guides and who are the best people are doing projectors and we're going to need to design our own custom silicon so okay who are the best people who could do custom silicon

and all these different things so it was an effort that just kind of built over time but it's something that we've been thinking about and working towards for 10 years wow that's incredible when I was when I had them on and I was going through different demos with it one of my immediate thoughts was I wonder if this could potentially replace my phone I'm curious to hear your thoughts on that well I think glasses are going to be the next major Computing platform but each new platform doesn't tend to just replace the old one right

so I guess the the version of this that I think about is like you probably have this experience often where you're sitting at your desk and you have your computer there yet you still pull out your phone to do things that's true yes okay so at some point in the last 10 years years mobile really became the primary Computing platform we didn't get rid of our computers it's just that even when you have it you still do more things on your phone so what I think is going to happen with glasses is we're going to

get to this point probably sometime in the 2030s where you have your phone with you it's but it's going to stay in your pocket more because you're just going to be doing more and more things on your glasses that maybe today you would do on your phone you'll reach a point where you know just like with your computer there probably some things that could be done in a richer way or or better in some way on your phone but you're just going to the glasses will be your main Computing platform and that will be kind

of your default go-to thing and then maybe over time you get to this point where people just don't bring their phone with them everywhere but but I think that's really far down the line I think we're going to have our phone for a while it just it'll stay in the pocket more I like that I like that and maybe that was just me being uh you know I always lose my phone or forget it so I was like okay this could be good for me no but I think a lot of people have this perception

that an order for glasses to win phones must lose and I don't think that that's true right it's just like like computers didn't have to lose for phones to win 100% um so I I think that there glasses will become the next main Computing platform because of their ubiquity and integration into our lives um not because we somehow are going to decide consciously that we don't want to use phones as much yes I love that perspective Mark last question I have for you looking ahead 100 years from now what do you want to be remembered

for and what what do you want meta to be remembered for oh I don't know I mean what our company is I mean we're a technology company that you know builds different things to help people connect right so and that takes the form of different things over time so it started with websites then it was various mobile apps the apps focused on feeds and messaging and profiles and like all these things and that functionality evolved over time and now we're focused on building more of the fundamental platforms around how people will connect I imagine that

whole thing will just continue evolving yes I would guess that if you look back you know 20 30 years from now we're still going to be a technology company right we're not like we're not an app company right it's you know we're not just like focused on only content right so we're focused on primarily building the underlying technology platform and I I think that that's going to be true for for probably as you know I mean and like certainly as long as I'm doing this I mean it's tough to foresee how things look after that

I also just want us to be a company that builds awesome things and I would like people to look back on us and say oh they took a bunch of really big swings and maybe not everything that they did worked but a bunch of the stuff that they did really kind of pushed the industry and pushed the world in different directions and that was cool I like that Mark thank you so much for your time yeah thank you [Music]