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SKIN. NO ONE WHO INTERVIEWS AND IS ESSENTIALLY TRYING TO GET UNDER HIS SKIN, OR UPSET HIM IN A WAY THAT KAMALA HARRIS WILL LIKELY TRY TO DO TONIGHT. MAGNETEK IS PERFECTLY STASH >> THAT TAKES US PERFECTLY TO MONICA ALBA. MONICA, WHAT ARE YOUR SOURCES TELLING YOU ABOUT WHAT HER PLAN IS? BOTH TO TRY TO GET UNDER FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP'S SKIN, AND ALSO TO CONVINCE CANDIDATES? >> Reporter: THEY HAVE BEEN TRYING ALL DAY LONG TO TRY AND GET TO HIM WHEN POSSIBLE. THESE BILLBOARDS WE ARE SEEING ALL OVER PHILADELPHIA THAT ARE TRYING TO POKE SOME

FUN AT THE FORMER PRESIDENT, AND HIS OBSESSION WITH CROWD SIZES, WHICH IS A TEAM WE ALSO SAW TODAY. ANNA ADD THAT WAS RELEASED WITH FORMER PRESIDENT OBAMA TALKING ABOUT THAT IN HIS NATIONAL CONVENTION SPEECH. TAKING A PAGE OUT OF DONALD TRUMP'S OWN PLAYBOOK. YOU WILL ALSO SEE THAT IN THE FORM OF SOME OF THE FORMER TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WILL BE COMING HERE TONIGHT TO TRY TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE PERSPECTIVES. AND HERE IS WHY HE THEN LEFT, DECIDED TO BECOME COMPLETE CRITICS OF IT. ON THE OTHER, THAT'S BECAUSE THEY KNOW THIS MAY BE A MOMENT

THAT COMES FROM -- BETWEEN DONALD TRUMP AND KAMALA HARRIS. THEY COULD BE DEROGATORY COMMENTS. IT'S A BIG QUESTION HERE FOR THE VICE PRESIDENT. EVEN IF SHE'S BEEN IN THE BACKGROUND, IN THE PARIS FEEL. THEY KNOW SHE'S GOING TO TRY TO LAY OUT HER VISION OF THAT. AND THAT IS IN TWO MINUTES -- THE IDEA OF HOW THESE TWO PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER MET INTERACT, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE, HOW DOES IT PLAY OUT ON STAGE. AND OF COURSE, THESE MOMENTS WE'VE SEEN FROM THE FORMER PRESIDENT. SO THE VICE PRESIDENT IS READY. HAVING THESE PREPLANNED RESPONSES

TO IT, I'M TOLD. WELL, IT'S GOING TO BE FASCINATING. THE FACT THAT THEY'VE NEVER MET BEFORE. AND THIS WILL BE DONALD TRUMP'S SEVENTH GENERAL ELECTION DEBATE. THIS IS INCREDIBLE TO THINK ABOUT. OF COURSE, GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO 2016. ALTHOUGH SHE IS NO STRANGER TO THE DEBATE STAGE. >> IS ACKLEY. AND THAT IS WHERE YOU ARE STARTING TO SEE THE EDUCATION -- EXECUTION GAME. HE'S BEEN DOING THIS FOR DECADES. EVERY TIME HE'S PARTICIPATED IN SOMETHING LIKE THIS, SO THEY HAVE A LOT TO STUDY FROM. THEY ARE TRYING TO ALSO RAISE THIS ISSUE, SOMETHING THAT

THEY BRING AGAIN. WHEN THE CANDIDATE WHOSE TURN IT ISN'T TO SPEAK IS GOING, THIS WOULD BE A MAJOR ISSUE. AND THEY CONTINUE TO SAY, IF THEY WANT AMERICANS TO HAVE AN UNFILTERED VIEW OF WHAT DONALD TRUMP IS LIKE ON THE DEBATE STAGE. THAT IS WHY HE IS RAISING THOSE KIND OF THINGS. ALSO TRYING TO CONVEY TO AMERICANS WHILE SHE DOESN'T HAVE AS MUCH EXPERIENCE WITH IT, SHE DOES. THEY WILL POINT BACK TO THOSE THINGS, I THINK WE CAN EXPECT. >> FANTASTIC REPORTING TO START US OFF, GARRETT AND MONICA. JOIN ME NOW FROM MICHIGAN, NBC'S SHOPPERS

THERE. TALKING TO VOTERS ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE WATCHING FOR TONIGHT. THEY ARE IN GRAND RAPIDS. OF COURSE, THIS IS A KEY SWING TOWN IN A KEY SWING STATE. IT IS GOING TO BE CLOSE IN MICHIGAN, AS IT WILL BE IN THE REST OF THE COUNTRY. WHAT ARE THESE VOTERS TELLING YOU ABOUT THAT THEY WILL BE WATCHING FOR TONIGHT? >> WELL, I WILL TELL YOU, A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY THEY ARE PLANNING TO WATCH CLOSELY. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THE PROCESS, SEEING THESE CANDIDATES ON STAGE TOGETHER. THIS IS A TOWN WHERE IT'S A

SUBURBAN AREA OF GRAND RAPIDS. CERTAINLY MORE HIGHLY EDUCATED THAN YOUR AVERAGE AMERICAN TOWN. BACK IN 2016, DONALD TRUMP WON BY 14 PERCENTAGE POINTS. AND IN 2020, HE ONLY WON BY TWO PERCENTAGE POINTS. YOU SEE THAT HAPPENING. I WANTED TO SEE WHAT PEOPLE ARE EXPECTING. LET'S LISTEN TO SOME OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS. >> WHEN IT WAS BIDEN AND TRUMP, YOU ARE THINKING OF NOT VOTING AT ALL? AND RIGHT NOW WITH THAT BEING HARRIS AND TRUMP -- >> I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT. >> WHY'S THAT? >> SOME PEOPLE THINK SHE'S NOT VERY STRONG. I HOPE THAT HER PERFORMANCE

TONIGHT WILL SHOW THAT SHE IS. >> Reporter: WOULD IT BE HELPFUL IF SHE WOULD -- >> I JUST REALIZED ALSO PRE- COVID WHILE TRUMP WAS IN OFFICE. I WANT TO GET BACK TO THAT. >> WHILE FINANCE PEOPLE SAY THEY WILL BE WATCHING, NOT EVERYONE WILL BE TUNING IN. I SPOKE TO ONE MOM WHO SAYS SHE WILL NOT WATCH TONIGHT AT LEASE. WHEN I EXPECTED THAT HAD TO DO WITH THE DEBATE, SHE SAYS I DON'T THINK IT'S SOMETHING THEY SHOULD BE LISTENING TO. SHE SCARED THAT IS GOING TO BE TOO CRAZY. THAT SHE'S NOT COMFORTABLE ENOUGH

HAVING HER KIDS WATCH A PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE. >> OF COURSE, THE MOMS WILL HAVE THE BIG INFLUENCE OVER WHO WINS THIS ELECTION. CHECK BURSAR, THANK YOU SO MUCH. TURNING NOW TO STEVE KORNACKI AT THE BIG BOARD. SO GREAT TO HAVE YOU, TO REALLY SET THE STAGE FOR US. WE'VE BEEN TALKING FOR A LONG TIME. THIS IS A VERY CLOSE RACE. HOW DO YOU SEE THIS PLAYING OUT? >> THIS IS THE AVERAGE OF ALL OF THE NATIONAL POLLS THAT ARE OUT HERE RIGHT NOW. NOW THAT'S DOWN TO TAKE FROM WHERE IT WAS BEFORE THE WEEKEND. SOME OF

THE MORE RECENT POLLS THAT HAD THEM BRING IT IS AVERAGE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER. IT ALSO LEADS TO ONE OF THE BIG QUESTIONS AS WE HEAD TOWARD ELECTION DAY. REMEMBER IN 2016 AND 2020, WE SAW VERY BIG DISCONNECT BETWEEN THE POPULAR VOTE IN THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE. ACTUALLY DECIDING TRUMP WON IN 2020, DESPITE -- IN 2016, AND THEN NARROWLY IN 2020. THAT DYNAMIC PROCESS THAT HE CONTINUES TO HAVE THE ADVANTAGE IN THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE. IF IT'S CHANGED, THIS COULD BE MORE SIGNIFICANT WITH THEM BEING AHEAD. LOOKING AT THIS RIGHT NOW, HERE'S THE POLLING AVERAGE IN THE

CORE BATTLEGROUND STATES. MAINLY WHAT YOU SEE WITHIN MARGINS. AND AS WE SAY, ONE HALF OF ONE PERCENTAGE POINT. DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS ONE. A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN A FOUR POINT AVERAGE RIGHT NOW. THAT'S THE OTHER QUESTION WE HAVE. THAT'S THE QUESTION OF THE POLLING MISS. NO STATES THEY WERE OFF MORE THAN WISCONSIN. AND THAT'S WEEKS BEFORE THE ELECTION. IT ENDED UP BEING LESS THAN ONE POINT, JOE BIDEN'S MARGIN OF VICTORY THERE. AND POLLING WAS OFF TO A PRETTY BIG DEGREE THERE AS WELL IN 2020. THESE MISSES THAT WE'VE SEEN, IT'S NOT BEEN POPPING

UP IN EVERY STATE OF THE SAME DEGREE. IT'S BEEN MORE PRONOUNCED IN THE NORTHERN SWING STATES. WHITE VOTERS WITHOUT FOUR YEAR DEGREES. AND THEY WERE UNDERESTIMATED IN STATES LIKE WISCONSIN IN '16 AND '20. ARE THEY BEING UNDERESTIMATED AGAIN? WE REALLY WON'T KNOW UNTIL ELECTION DAY. WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL WE SEE THE POLLING IN THOSE STATES. IF THAT HAPPENS AGAIN, THESE NUMBERS END UP MEANING SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENTLY. THEN THESE NUMBERS ARE VERY ENCOURAGING FOR DEMOCRATS. I THINK WE SEE THESE POLL TAKEN WITH A GRAIN OF SALT. AND I THINK THIS ONE FROM THAT NEW YORK TIMES

POLL, ASKING VOTERS TO MAKE UP YOUR MIND, YOU NEED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT A CANDIDATE? 3 TO 1 CANDIDATE SAY THAT ABOUT KAMALA HARRIS THAN DONALD TRUMP. THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD THING. IT'S THE CHANGE VERSUS STATUS QUO QUESTIONS HERE. A MAJORITY OF VOTERS IN THIS POLL SAY THEY KNOW SHE IS MORE OF THE SAME. SHE IS THE VICE PRESIDENT IN AN UNPOPULAR ADMINISTRATION. TRUMP, A FORMER PRESIDENT, SAYING HE REPRESENTS MAJOR CHANGE. YOU SEE THE OPPORTUNITY WITH OTHER VOTERS WANTED TO KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT HER. THAT THIS NUMBER CHANGE FOR HER AT ALL? >> IT'S ALL

THOSE NUMBERS THAT YOU JUST LAID OUT. A ROAD MAP OF WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IT THEY WANT TO BE SUCCESSFUL TONIGHT. AND THAT'S RIGHT THERE AT THE TOP OF THE LIST. STEVE CARNEGIE, THANK YOU SO MUCH WE'VE GOT MORE STRAIGHT AHEAD. AND MORE FROM TOP OFFICIALS IN THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN AS THE VICE PRESIDENT PREPARES TO MAKE HER CASE ON THE BIG STAGE. AND, OF COURSE, YOU CONSTRAIN -- YOU CAN STREAM TONIGHT'S EVENT ON NBC NEWS NOW. STAY WITH US! YOU ARE WATCHING A VERY SPECIAL EDITION OF MEET THE PRESS NOW. >>> TOP STORY, LIVE

FROM PARIS. TOP STORY LIVE IN TEL AVIV. COVERING BREAKING NEWS. PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS SPEAKING OF THE OTHER SIDE. >> THE SISTER EVENING UNFOLDING. >> IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING. >> YEAH. >> EVERY NIGHT, IT'S YOUR NEWS PLAYLIST AREA TOP STORY WITH TOM LLAMAS STREAMING WEEKNIGHTS AT 7:00 ON NBC NEWS NOW. >>> LOOKING -- WELCOME BACK. WE ARE LOOKING AT PICTURES OF THE SKYLINE. JUST A FEW SHORT HOURS TO GO BEFORE THE DEBATE. JOINING ME NOW AT THE SITE OF TONIGHT'S DEBATE, THE DIRECTOR FOR THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN. THANK YOU. WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT. >> THANKS

FOR HAVING ME. HAPPY DEBATE DAY. >> HAPPY DEBATE DAY TO YOU. LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT THE VICE PRESIDENT NEEDS TO DO. WHAT DO YOU THINK VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS NEEDS TO ACCOMPLISH TONIGHT TO WALK AWAY FEELING LIKE SHE HAD A GOOD NIGHT? >> YEAH. WELL LISTEN, I THINK WHAT TONIGHT IS GOING TO BE IS REALLY ONE OF THE FIRST TIMES THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THE SMART CHOICE. IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR HER TO LAY OUT HER VISION FOR WHERE SHE WANTS TO TAKE THIS COUNTRY. THE WAY THAT SHE WANTS TO BUILD AN

ECONOMY WHERE FOLKS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY NOT TO JUST GET BY, BUT TO GET AHEAD, AS SHE TALKED ABOUT. HOW WE STAND UP FOR OUR DEMOCRACY AND CONTRAST THAT AGAINST DONALD TRUMP'S DARK LOOKING PROJECT 2025 AGENDA. SHE WILL OF COURSE PROSECUTE THE CASE AGAINST DONALD TRUMP. IT IS ALSO ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO INTRODUCE HERSELF. WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY THAT TONIGHT PRESENTS. AND WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THE ROAD AHEAD LEAVING PHILADELPHIA. >> SOURCES ARE TELLING MY COLLEAGUE GARRETT HAAKE AND OUR NBC NEWS TEAM THAT TRUMP'S STRATEGY TONIGHT WILL BE TO TARGET SOME OF HER 2020 POSITIONS

THAT SHE IS NOW DISTANCING HERSELF FROM. DURING HER INTERVIEW WITH CNN, SHE SAID HER VALUES HAVE NOT CHANGED, WHILE SOME OF HER POLICY POSITIONS HAVE. WHAT IS THE STRATEGY TONIGHT? DOES SHE NEED TO NOW CLEARLY EXPLAIN HOW SHE GOT FROM POINT A TO POINT B ON THESE ISSUES? >> I THINK SHE WILL ABSOLUTELY TALK ABOUT HER VISION FOR WHERE SHE WANTS TO TAKE THIS COUNTRY. THE RECORD OF ACCOMPLISHMENT. RIGHT? THE WORK SHE WAS ABLE TO DO ALONG WITH PRESIDENT BIDEN TO MAKE PROGRESS TOWARD THE GOAL THAT SHE HAS IN MIND. AND THE WORK THAT SHE

WANTS TO DO. LAYING OUT SOME OF HER POLICY AGENDA, WHERE SHE WANTS TO TAKE THE COUNTRY. SHE DID SO IN RALEIGH, SHE DID SO LAST WEEK IN NEW HAMPSHIRE WHEN SHE TALKED ABOUT THE WORK THAT SHE WANTS TO DO. SO SHE IS PROUD OF THE WORK THAT WE'VE ALREADY ACCOMPLISHED. AND SHE'S FOCUSED ON THE WORK THAT LIES AHEAD. WAS SHE WILL ALSO DO, TALKING ABOUT THE WORK SHE WANTS TO ACCOMPLISH, BUT SHE WILL CONTRAST THAT. HE'S A GUY WHOSE HEAD 7-8 DIFFERENT POSITIONS ON ISSUES. RIGHT NOW, SHE IS SETTLED ON THE MOST EXTREME VERSION OF

THEM ALL. WHETHER IT'S ABORTION IN THE NATIONAL BAN, THE ECONOMY AND WHAT'S HE WANTS TO GIVE. >> BEING VERY CLEAR, THEY NEED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT HER. AT LEAST TO THE ORIGINAL QUESTION. DOES SHE NEED TO BE MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT THESE POLICY CHANGES? IS IT ABOUT SPECIFICITY TONIGHT? >> YEAH LISTEN, I THINK TONIGHT WILL BE ABOUT THE VICE PRESIDENT CLEARLY ARTICULATING HER VISION FOR WHERE SHE WANTS TO TAKE THIS COUNTRY. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES. SHE WILL TALK ABOUT THE WORK SHE WAS ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH AS VICE PRESIDENT, CAPPING THE PRICE OF INSULIN, BUILDING UPON

THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, THE WORK SHE WANTS TO DO MOVING AHEAD. RIGHT? SHE'S NOT GOING TO SHY AWAY FROM THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS. SHE WILL ALSO DEEPLY WANT TO ARTICULATE WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE. RIGHT? AND OF COURSE, CONTRAST THAT AGAINST OUR OPPONENT. IS NOT OFFERING ANYTHING THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANT. WHAT HE IS OFFERING IS A FUNDAMENTAL THREAT TO OUR DEMOCRACY. >> LET ME TELL YOU THE SAME THING SENATOR BERNIE SANDERS SAID TO ME THIS WEEKEND ON MEET THE PRESS NOW. TAKE A LOOK. >> SHE HAS PREVIOUSLY SUPPORTED MEDICARE FOR ALL NOW. THESE ARE

IDEAS THAT YOU HAVE CAMPAIGNED ON. DO YOU THINK SHE IS ABANDONING HER PROGRESSIVE IDEAS? >> NO, I DON'T THINK SHE'S ABANDONING HER IDEAS. I THINK SHE'S DOING WHAT SHE THINKS IS RIGHT IN ORDER TO WIN THE ELECTION. >> WHAT IS YOUR REACTION TO THAT? OF COURSE, HEARING THE TERM CAMPAIGN WITH SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS. >> YEAH, LISTEN, MY REACTION TO THOSE COMMENTS, THEY ARE THAT THE VICE PRESIDENT IS ACTUALLY FOCUSED ON SOLUTIONS THAT ACTUALLY IMPROVE PEOPLE'S LIVES. HE MENTIONED HEALTHCARE, ENERGY IN THE CLIMATE CRISIS. AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT BUILDING ON THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT. THE

WORK SHE'S ACTUALLY DONE. THAT'S THE WORK SHE WANTS TO CONTINUE TO BUILD PON. THE FACT THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY MADE THE LARGEST SINGLE INVESTMENT TO COMBATING CLIMATE CHANGE. AT THE SAME TIME, INCREASING THE AMERICAN ENERGY PRODUCTION. THIS THE WORK YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO BUILD UPON. FOR THE VOTERS, THEY ARE NOT REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT ARE YOUR PROGRESSIVE, ARE YOU MODERATE, IT'S ABOUT WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO FOR ME? WILL YOU FIGHT ON MY BEHALF? THE VICE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN CLEARED THROUGH HER RECORD OF ACCOMPLISHMENT AND THE VISION SHE IS LAYING OUT THAT SHE IS

ACTUALLY THE CANDIDATE IN THIS RACE THAT IS OFFERING THAT. >> DO YOU BELIEVE SHE CONSIDERS HERSELF TO BE A PROGRESSIVE, MICHAEL? >> I THINK THE VICE PRESIDENT CONSIDERS HERSELF TO BE A FIGHTER ON BEHALF OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. I DON'T THINK SHE'S CONCERNED WITH LABELS WHATSOEVER. SHE WANTS TO FIX THE PROBLEMS THAT ARE HURTING THE AMERICAN FAMILIES ACROSS THIS COUNTRY. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT SHE WOULD DO WHEN SHE IS ELECTED PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. >> ONE OF THE BIG QUESTIONS THAT CONTINUES TO LOOM OVER HER CAMPAIGN, HOW DOES THE ADMINISTRATION LOOK DIFFERENT THAN THE

BY DEMONSTRATION? SHE HAS ROLLED OUT PROPOSALS, CALLING FOR A LOWER TAX RATE ON SOME, AND THEN -- BUT GOING BEYOND THAT, HOW WOULD YOU COMPARE A HARRIS ADMINISTRATION, AND WHERE WE WALK AWAY TONIGHT, WILL VOTERS WALK AWAY WITH A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF HOW A HARRIS ADMINISTRATION WOULD DIFFER FROM THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION? >> YEAH, AGAIN, I THINK SHE'S PROUD OF THE RECORD OF ACCOMPLISHMENT. I THINK WHAT WE HAVE SEEN HER BEGIN TO UNVEIL HIS WHERE SHE WAS TO TAKE THIS COUNTRY. SHE UNDERSTANDS THAT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR A WAY FORWARD. THAT'S WHY HER ECONOMIC AGENDA WAS

ABOUT HOW WE CONTINUE TO LOWER COST, RIGHT? MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY LOWER HOUSING COSTS THROUGH INCENTIVIZING MORE DEVELOPMENT OF HOUSING, ALSO MAKING SURE THAT WE PROVIDE FIRST-TIME HOMEBUYER ASSISTANCE, RENTAL ASSISTANCE. HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WE CAN AT THE SAME TIME MAKE SURE THEIR SHARE? AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE -- THAT ALLOWS ENTREPRENEURS TO GET AHEAD. MAKING SURE WE CAN ACTUALLY INCENTIVIZE THE TAX SYSTEM TO ACTUALLY SUPPORT IT. MAKING SURE THAT THE $5000 -- WE INCREASE THAT TO START NEW BUSINESSES. WE WILL CONTINUE TO SEE HER LAY OUT HER VISION FOR WHERE SHE

WANTS TO TAKE THIS. THAT IS A CONTRAST TO DONALD TRUMP YOU LOOK AT HIS ECONOMIC AGENDA. SEEING A RETURN TO THE TAX CUTS. YOU HAVE PEOPLE SAYING THAT THEIR ECONOMIC POLICIES -- ECONOMIST SAYING IT WOULD START ANOTHER RECESSION IN 25. THE ECONOMIC CONTRAST AND WHERE THEY WANT TO TAKE THIS IS BECOMING CLEARER AND CLEARER BY THE DAY. >> ALL RIGHT, MICHAEL TAYLOR. THANK YOU FOR MAKING TIME FOR US. WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT., COMING UP, WHAT TO EXPECT TONIGHT? AND TOP OFFICIALS FROM THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN JOINING US NEXT. YOU'RE WATCHING THE SPECIAL EDITION OF MEET THE

PRESS NOW. STAY WITH US. >>> NEWS LIVES IN THE NOW. >> THE FRONT LINES ARE VERY REACTIVE. >> THIS IS LIKE QUICKSAND. >> NEWS FOR THE GENERATION OF NOW IS NBC NEWS NOW. ♪ ♪ >> PLEASE TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF AND EACH OTHER. >>> WELCOME BACK. YOU'VE HEARD THE PRE-DEBATE VIEW FROM THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN. NOW LET'S CHECK OUT THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN. CAROLINE, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING ME. I KNOW IT'S A BUSY ONE TODAY. >> IT SURE IS. THANKS FOR HAVING ME. GREAT TO SEE YOU. >> GREAT TO SEE YOU. LET'S START OFF BIG

PICTURE HERE, WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE FOR FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP TONIGHT? >> TONIGHT, SUCCESS FOR FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP IS EXPOSING THE TRUTH ABOUT HER RECORD. NOT ONLY HER RECORD IN THE BIDEN-HARRIS ADMINISTRATION, BUT ALSO HER RECORD AS ATTORNEY GENERAL, DISTRICT ATTORNEY FROM SAN FRANCISCO. AND KAMALA HARRIS HAS NOT DONE A SOLO SITDOWN INTERVIEW IN 50 DAYS SINCE BECOMING THE NOMINEE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. IT IS TIME FOR HER TO ANSWER TOUGH QUESTIONS ABOUT HER RECORD. DOES SHE STILL SUPPORT DECRIMINALIZING ILLEGAL BORDER CROSSING? DOES SHE STILL SUPPORT HER BAN ON FRACKING, OR NOT? PRESIDENT TRUMP, TONIGHT

HE WILL HOLD HER ACCOUNTABLE AND HIGHLIGHT HER RECORD OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS WITH HIS RECORD OF SUCCESS. >> ONE OF THE JOURNALIST IS TRYING FOR ONE OF THOSE INTERVIEWS. HI. LET ME SEE SOMETHING THAT WE HEARD YES TODAY. NIKKI HALEY, I WANT YOUR REACTION ON THE OTHER SIDE. >> DONALD TRUMP AND JD VANCE, THEY NEED TO CHANGE THE WAY THEY SPEAK AREA YOU DON'T NEED TO CALL, THE DUMB. SHE IS HERE. SHE'S A PROSECUTOR. YOU DON'T NEED TO TALK ABOUT INTELLIGENCE, LOOKS, OR ANYTHING ELSE. JUST FOCUS ON THE POLICY. >> WHAT'S YOUR REACTION? AND

WHAT'S FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP'S REACTION? WILL HE LISTEN? >> I THINK IT'S FAIR TO CALL INTO QUESTION HER CONFIDENCE BASED ON THE POLICIES, AND THE POLICIES SHE HAS IMPLEMENTED ALONGSIDE JOE BIDEN THAT HAVE ACTUALLY MADE LIFE IN THIS COUNTRY FOR WOMEN AND ALL- AMERICA MORE EXPENSIVE, LESS AFFORDABLE, AND LESS SAFE. KAMALA HARRIS HAS OVERSEEN THE IMMIGRATION CRISIS AT THE LIKES OF WHICH THIS COUNTRY HAS NEVER SEEN. MORE THAN 11 MILLION PEOPLE ILLEGAL PEOPLE COME INTO THIS COUNTRY. MANY TURNING OUT TO BE MURDERERS AND WHO HAVE TAKEN OUT THE LIVES OF WOMEN IN THIS COUNTRY. AND PRESIDENT

TRUMP KNOWS THOSE WOMEN. HE'S TAKEN THE TIME TO GET TO KNOW THEM. KAMALA HARRIS HAS NEVER SAID THEIR NAMES. SO YES, YOU WILL HEAR PRESIDENT TRUMP TALK ABOUT HOW HE WILL REPRESENT WOMEN AND ALL AMERICANS WITH A POSITIVE VISION, HIS VISION TO BRING DOWN THE COST OF LIVING, CHILD CARE, AND -- >> YOU SHOULD NOTE THAT THE BORDER CROSSING DID REACH A HIGH. THEY ARE NOW BACK TO A FIVE- YEAR LOW. LET ME GET BACK TO THE QUESTION, THE CONCERNED BY NIKKI HALEY. WHEN DONALD TRUMP SAYS THINGS ABOUT KAMALA HARRIS' INTELLIGENCE, ABOUT HER LOOKS. THAT

BASICALLY, -- OF THOSE SUBURBAN WOMEN WHO HE WILL NEED TO WIN OVER. IS HE GOING TO SHIFT HIS RHETORIC TONIGHT? DESPITE THE FACT THAT, HARRIS -- OVER TRUMP WHEN IT COMES TO WOMEN VOTERS. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP TONIGHT WILL HOLD KAMALA HARRIS ACCOUNTABLE THE SAME WAY HE HOLDS ANY OPPONENT ACCOUNTABLE. AND FRANKLY, TO TRY TO GET THE STANDARD ON THAT. I THINK IT'S BECAUSE SHE'S A WOMAN. SHE NEEDS TO BE ASKED TOUGH QUESTIONS ABOUT HER RECORD. AND YES, HER CONFIDENCE. AND THE LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD. BECAUSE BASED ON HER RECORD OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS,

SHE HAS PROVEN THAT SHE DOES NOT DESERVE THAT PROMOTION. POLICY SUPPORTED ARE NOT VERY INTELLIGENT FOR OUR COUNTRY. ALLOWING AN IMMIGRATION INVASION -- IN A GENERATION. AND EVEN WORSE THAN THAT, KAMALA HARRIS HAS EXPRESSED SUPPORT FOR THE DECRIMINALIZATION OF ALL DRUG. THAT IS AN INSANELY STUPID POLICY THAT WOULD INCREASE THE FENTANYL EPIDEMIC THAT IS ALREADY THE LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH IN THIS COUNTRY. PRESIDENT TRUMP TONIGHT WILL FOCUS ON HER RECORD AND ON HER FULL LEADERSHIP OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS. >> TO BE VERY CLEAR, AND INVASION IS A VERY CIVIC TERM. OF COURSE, THERE ARE

PEOPLE WHO CROSS THE BORDER. LET ME GET BACK TO THIS IDEA. AGAIN, WHAT SHE'S SAYING AND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, FOCUS ON THE POLICY. WHAT I'M ASKING IS SHE GOING TO DO THAT? AND I'VE BEEN TALKING TO A LOT OF THEM TO SAY, LOOK, IT FRANKLY SAYS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, LET'S FOCUS ON THE POLICY AND LET'S FOCUS ON HER RECORD. THAT WOULD BE A STRONG PERFORMANCE. THAT'S GOING TO BACKFIRE AGAINST HIM TONIGHT. >> HAVE ANSWERED THE QUESTION THREE TIMES. YES, HE'S GOING TO FOCUS ON THE POLICY. ANOTHER THING IS GOING TO ASK, IF SHE

HAD ALL THESE BRAND-NEW SOLUTIONS, WE FIND OUT THAT SHE ACTUALLY COPIED AND PASTED ON HER WEBSITE FROM JOE BIDEN'S CAMPAIGN. SHE IS JUST AS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL OF THE POLICIES OF THE LESS FEW YEARS. IF SHE WANTS TO FIX THE AFFORDABILITY CRISIS, THE HOUSING MARKET, WHY DOESN'T SHE GO BACK TO THE WHITE HOUSE AND IMPLEMENT POLICIES, SIGNING EXECUTIVE ORDERS THAT WOULD DO IT RIGHT NOW. ASK JOE BIDEN TO SIGN THOSE EXECUTIVE ORDERS. DOES SHE NOT HAVE ENOUGH POWER AND LEADERSHIP ABILITIES TO CHANGE THE TRAJECTORY? SHE IS THE INCUMBENT VICE PRESIDENT., LOVE IS TRYING TO --

KAMALA IS TRYING TO RUN AS THE ADVOCATE. AND ONLY PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL BRING TRUE TRAINS TO THIS COUNTRY. IT IS EVIDENT BY THE LATEST POLL. >> CAROLINE, LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING IN REGARDS TO HAITIAN MIGRANTS IN OHIO. TELLING NBC NEWS THEY HAVE MORE INFORMATION TO SUPPORT THE CLAIM THAT THEY HAVE -- AND SAYING THAT THE CLAIMS THAT PETS WERE BEING TAKEN AND EATEN COULD NOT BE VERIFIED AT ALL. DO YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE TO BACK UP THESE CLAIMS? ARE YOU WILLING TO ABANDON THAT TALKING POINT? >> RESIDENTS AT A TOWN MEETING, A CITY MEETING

IN OHIO EXPRESS THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT SEEING HAITIAN ILLEGAL MIGRANTS IN THEIR COMMUNITY EATEN DUCKS OUT OF A POUND -- POND. IT'S CRAZY TO SAY ON TELEVISION, BUT THOSE ARE THE WORDS OF THE RESIDENCE. THEY WENT TO SUPPORT THE LEADERS IN THEIR STATE. THERE HAVE BEEN MORE THAN 20,000 HAITIAN MIGRANTS SINCE KAMALA HARRIS, AND SINCE HE HAS BEEN VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. WHAT WE ARE SEEING IN THIS COUNTRY IS AN UNSUSTAINABLE CRISIS OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION THAT HAS BEEN ALLOWED TO OCCUR. THERE HAS BEEN NEARLY 20 MILLION ILLEGAL PEOPLE THAT HAVE ENTERED THIS COUNTRY. IT

IS UNSUSTAINABLE. IS KAMALA HARRIS GOING TO SHUT DOWN THE BORDER? NO, SHE ISN'T. THIS ELECTION IS BETWEEN PRESIDENT TRUMP, WHO HAD THE LOWEST RECORD OF ILLEGAL CROSSINGS WHEN HE LEFT OFFICE, AND, HARRIS, WHO HAS OVERSEEN THE WORST IMMIGRATION CRISIS. NOT JUST AT THE BORDER, EVERY STATE IN THIS COUNTRY HAS BECOME A BORDER STATE. THOSE RESIDENTS ARE EXPRESSING THEIR CONCERN. >> THE NUMBER IS CLOSER TO 10 MILLION. I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE THAT FIGURE. >> 10 MILLION IS STILL A LOT OF PEOPLE, KRISTEN. >> I WANT TO REDO WHAT WAS SAID. THE PEOPLE HAVE HAD THEIR PETS

ABDUCTED, EATEN BY PEOPLE WHO SHOULDN'T BE IN THIS COUNTRY, AND THEN HE UPGRADED THAT TO BASICALLY SAYING -- RECEIVING MANY INQUIRIES FROM ACTUAL RESIDENCE WHO SAID THAT THEIR PETS OR LOCAL WILDLIFE HAD BEEN ABDUCTED BY HAITIANS. IT IS POSSIBLE OF COURSE THAT ALL THESE RUMORS COULD TURN OUT TO BE FALSE. SHOULD THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE IS, SHOULD OFFICIALS IN THE CAMPAIGN BE MORE DISCIPLINED IN TERMS WITH WHAT THEY ARE SAYING? YOU ARE SAYING RIGHT NOW THAT THERE IS NO KNOWN PROOF, NO KNOWN EVIDENCE THAT THEY HAVE SAID THAT, THAT POLICE HAVE SAID THAT. SHOULD THE

VICE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE BE MORE CAREFUL WITH HIS WORDS? >> YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK SHOULD HAPPEN? I THINK THE MEDIA IN THIS COUNTRY, LOCAL REPORTERS, AND NATIONAL REPORTERS, THEY SHOULD INVESTIGATE THESE REPORTS THAT ARE NOT COMING FROM OUR CAMPAIGN. WE DID NOT MANUFACTURE THIS. THIS WAS BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION OF US BY RESIDENCE IN OHIO WHO ARE EXPRESSING CONCERN BECAUSE THE IMMIGRATION CRISIS THAT HAS BEEN ALLOWED TO TAKE PLACE ON KAMALA HARRIS' WATCH. MANY THAT HAVE TURNED OUT TO BE TRUE. WHAT WE KNOW, THIS IS WHAT RESIDENTS ARE TELLING US. ABOUT HOW GREAT OF AN

IMPACT IT HAS HAD ON THEIR COMMUNITY. >> REPORTERS WHO HAVE LOOKED INTO THIS, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE. NOW THE MAYOR IS COMING OUT, SAYING THE SAME THING. JD VANCE HIMSELF. >> THEY SHOULD ASK THE RESIDENCE. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US. WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT. COMING BACK AFTER THE BREAK, AFTER A DEADLY ISRAELI STRIKE, REPUBLICANS -- TO WITHDRAW FROM AFGHANISTAN. WHAT IT COULD MEAN FOR TONIGHT'S DEBATE. YOU ARE WATCHING A SPECIAL EDITION OF MEET THE PRESS NOW. >>> TOP STORY, LIVE FROM PARIS. >> TOP STORY, LIVE FROM TEL AVIV. COVERING BREAKING NEWS. >>

REPORTERS, SPREAD ACROSS THE CONVENTION FLOOR. THIS HISTORIC EVENING UNFOLDS. >> THEY ARE HERE GOING WILD FROM TEAM USA. >> MAN, IT FEELS GOOD. >> EVERY NIGHT, IT IS YOUR NEWS PLAYLIST. STREAMING WEEKNIGHTS AT 7:00 ON NBC NEWS NOW. >>> WELCOME BACK ON THE DEBATE STAGE. BOTH CANDIDATE COULD FACE QUESTIONS ON HOW THEY HANDLED THE ONGOING ISRAEL-HAMAS WAR, ESPECIALLY IN THE WAKE OF A DEADLY STRIKE IN GAZA TODAY. THE HAMAS RUN HEALTH MINISTRY SAYS KILLED AT LEAST 12. YOU SEE THE MASSIVE CRATER LEFT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CAMP. OPERATING A CONTROL CENTER INSIDE THAT DESIGNATED

HUMANITARIAN AREA. JOIN ME NOW, NBC WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT, ANDREA MITCHELL. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. THIS IS OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE THE FIRST FACE-OFF BETWEEN THESE TWO CANDIDATES. THE FIRST TIME THEY WILL HAVE MET IN PERSON. WE HAVEN'T SEEN A HUGE FOCUS ON FOREIGN POLICY YET. TONIGHT, THERE COULD BE. WHAT WILL YOU BE WATCHING FOR? >> ESPECIALLY BECAUSE DONALD TRUMP IN THE PAST, HE HAS SUGGESTED THEY'VE BEEN DESCRIBING HARRIS AS WEEK. HARRIS WANTS THAT TO BE -- TO THE DICTATORS, TURNING IT BACK WITH HIM. SPENDING TIME AT THE CAPITOL. AND THESE FAMILY MEMBERS, THE

SERVICE MEMBERS. POLITICALLY TYING IT TO TODAY. IT'S A DIFFERENT REPORT THAN WAS ISSUED TWO YEARS AGO. BEFORE KAMALA HARRIS WAS THE CANDIDATE. THEY WILL DENY THAT. IT WAS A BAD TIME FOR THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION. BUT DONALD TRUMP SIGNED THE DEAL. THE STATE DEPARTMENT -- FOR THE COUNTER ARGUMENTS. I THINK THE BIG ISSUE, IT WILL BE IMMIGRATION, ABORTION. THERE WILL BE MORE, AS FOR THE MODERATORS. AND WE WILL SEE THIS GO ON AS HE TRIES TO DEFINE KAMALA HARRIS. AND SHE TELLS ME HE'S NOT SERIOUS ENOUGH. ALSO, KRISTEN, THE WAR, WHICH HE MENTIONED. AND THE HOSTAGE

FAMILIES. SAYING THERE IS NO DEAL IN SIGHT. AND THAT WAS ARGUABLY THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE ISRAELI ARMY. >> VERY QUICKLY, WE ONLY HAVE ABOUT 30 SECONDS LEFT, BUT YOU HAVE MODERATED, YOU HAVE COVERED DEBATES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. SET THE STAGE. ONE OF THE STEAKS TONIGHT, ANDREA? >> THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT DEBATE. WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED. SO THIS IS A HUGE TEST. AND THE BALANCING ACT. YOU HEARD NIKKI HALEY AND OTHER ADVISERS SAY THAT THIS SHOULD NOT BE COMMENTING ON APPEARANCE OR ANYTHING ELSE. THEY SHOULD TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES. IT COULD BE DISASTROUS. >> WE

WILL ALL BE WATCHING. ANDREA, THANK YOU SO MUCH FROM PHILADELPHIA. AND JOINING ME NOW, IT'S MY INCREDIBLE -- AND THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION. THE FORMER SPOKESPERSON FOR HARRIS. AND COHOST OF THE WEEKEND ON MSNBC. THE FORMER SENIOR ADVISER, AND THE FOUNDER OF DATA STRATEGIES. WOW. MR. SECRETARY, YOU OUTRANKED EVERYONE. WHY DON'T TO START US OFF? WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO BE WATCHING FOR TONIGHT? >> WELL, I THINK THE REALITY, KAMALA HARRIS AND DONALD TRUMP TONIGHT, THEY ARE GOING TO BE JUDGED BY TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT STANDARDS. THAT'S THE WAY IT IS FOR DONALD TRUMP. EVERYTHING SHE COULD

SAY OVER THE COURSE OF 90 MINUTES COULD BE FACTUALLY ACCURATE. AND HE COULD TELL A FALSE STATEMENT, HE COULD LIE 25 TIMES. AND THERE WILL BE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARGUE IT WAS A DRAW. WHAT I FOUND, THEY'VE NEVER MET BEFORE. BUT IF YOU ARE KAMALA HARRIS, AT THIS POINT, YOU PROBABLY FEEL LIKE YOU KNOW DONALD TRUMP. BECAUSE HE'S BEEN ON THE NATIONAL STAGE FOR SO LONG. HE'S VERY PREDICTABLE. IF YOU POKE THEM A CERTAIN WAY, YOU GET A CERTAIN REACTION. AND I EXPECT SHE'S WORKED HARD TO ANTICIPATE THOSE REACTIONS. >> I MEAN, THE

REALITY OF THIS CASE, HARRIS HAS A LOT MORE TO GAIN AND A LOT MORE TO LOSE. AFTER SO MANY YEARS ON THE NATIONAL STAGE, I WILL SEE HIS NUMBERS MOVING SO MUCH. IT'S A UNIQUE MOMENT. YOU HAVE TWO INCUMBENTS WHO ARE BOTH MOVING AWAY FROM THEIR OWN RECORDS. GETTING RID OF DETENTION CENTERS, GETTING RID OF PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE. AND NOW SAYING I HAVE A PLAN HOW TO FIX INFLATION, HOW TO FIX THE BORDER. TRUMP, HE IS GOING AS FAST AS HE CAN. AND ON TRADE, YOU HAVE THE BIGGEST POTENTIAL TAX INCREASE AND POTENTIAL TRADE POLICY

THAT AMERICA HAS EVER SEEN. >> GREAT. YOU SET ME UP PERFECTLY. HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THAT? WHAT ABOUT THAT ARGUMENT THAT SHE IS GOING TO HAVE TO RESPOND TO? >> YEAH. THE BIDEN-HARRIS ADMINISTRATION DOES HAVE A RECORD. TALKING ABOUT THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN, THE PRESS SECRETARY. LOOK, YOU GOT THE PEOPLE ON THE DEBATE STAGE -- THEY RECENTLY SPOKE TO THE CANDIDATES. I DON'T KNOW IF I WAS DONALD TRUMP'S PRESS SECRETARY THAT I WOULD DOUBLE DOWN. I HIGHLY DOUBT THAT ONE. WHEN IT COMES TO THE RECORDS, ONE THING I WOULD SAY, I WOULD AGREE THEY ARE

NOT GOOD POLICIES TO LEAN INTO. YOU DO THINGS, YOU TALK ABOUT THE PRIMARY AND THE GENERAL ELECTION. IT'S LIKE, WAIT A SECOND. WHAT THEY HAVE DONE, THEY'VE BEEN ELECT IT. IT WOULD BE THE STRONGEST FOR VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS. WHAT THEY HAVE DONE WHEN THEY WERE ELECTED. OR AS A PROSECUTOR, A DEA. YOU LOOK AT THE RECORDS THAT SHE'S DONE. WHEN PUSH CAME TO SHOVE IN THAT ADMINISTRATION, SHE DID VOTE TO EXTEND THE LEASE. SO THAT IS REALLY THE RECORD THAT DONALD TRUMP WILL TRY TO MAKE THIS ABOUT. AND THEN THAT LAST ANSWER, IT'S LIKE, OKAY.

THAT LAST ONE MIGHT BE THE ONE THAT PEOPLE SEE. YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT ALL OF THESE ANSWERS IN A DEBATE. THERE ARE TWO QUESTIONS NOW FOR YOU. SOME SAY SHE'S SKEPTICAL. AND THERE ARE SOME SAYING HE IS RUNNING FROM HIS RECORD IN SOME WAYS. IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG ONE. >> YEAH. IT'S A VERY REAL POSSIBILITY HE COULD ATTACK VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS PERSONALLY. HIS ADVISERS AND SUPPORTERS WOULD APPRECIATE IF HE DIDN'T. THEY WANTED TO FOCUS ON THE POLICY. THE ECONOMY INFLATION, THE BORDER. AND OBVIOUSLY WHEN JOE BIDEN WAS RUNNING, HE HAD THE

LEAD ON THAT, AS WELL. HIS BORDER VERSUS THEIR BORDER. I THINK THAT'S GOOD FOR THEM. I MEAN, LISTEN. THIS IS WHAT THEY SEE. THEY SEE POLLS. THE SIX WEEK ABORTION BAN. AND SO JUST LIKE VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS. I THINK WHAT IS GOING TO COME DOWN TO HERE, IT WILL BE A VERY CLOSE RACE. YOU WILL SEE POLLS. AT ONE POINT HERE, TWO POINTS HERE. RIGHT NOW, VOTERS THINK TRUMP IS CLOSER TO MAC -- TO THE MIDDLE THAN HARRIS IS. >> IT'S SO TRUE. AND IN SOME WAYS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE POLL, I ASSUME THEY

ARE SAYING, OKAY. THAT'S OVER. HOW DOES SHE DO THAT THOUGH? >> I THINK HER MOST EFFECTIVE MESSAGE HAS BEEN, WE ARE NOT GOING BACK. SENDING THE MESSAGE THAT I'M THE NEXT GENERATION. I'M 59. HE 78. I'M THE FUTURE. HE'S BEEN PRESIDENT. I'VE NEVER BEEN PRESIDENT. EXACTLY EVERY 16 YEARS IN PRESIDENTIAL POLITICS, WE HAVE A NEXT-GENERATION PRESIDENT. '08, AND THE NEXT ONE IS IN TWO MONTHS. >> WE WILL -- WE WERE TOLD SHE WOULD TRY TO BAIT TRUMP TONIGHT. >> LOOK, THE VICE PRESIDENT HAVE OFTEN TIMES IN MANY THINGS SHE HAS DONE, SAYING SHE WAS THE

ONLY SECOND BLACK WOMAN IN -- THAT VERY YEAR. THOSE ARE INSANE STATISTICS. RUNNING, WINNING AN ELECTION, TALKING ABOUT THE ISSUES. I THINK THAT THE TERM CAMPAIGN -- MAYBE NOT THE CAMPAIGN, BUT DONALD TRUMP HERSELF WAS NOTHING MORE THAN FOR HER TO GO ON THE STAGE TONIGHT AND SAY NASH THAT IN MY OPINION, IT PLAYS RIGHT INTO IT. IT'S ALSO, I THINK, A DISTRACTION. WHEN YOU HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHO SITS IN THE OVAL OFFICE. >> WE ONLY HAVE A COUPLE OF SECONDS LEFT. GARRETT, FINAL THOUGHTS. DO YOU THINK WE ARE

GOING TO SEE THE DONALD TRUMP NOW? ARE THE DONALD TRUMP FROM 2016? >> I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE. >> IS THE FIRST TIME MEETING EVER. >> IT IS EXTRAORDINARY. >> I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S THE POLICY THAT BENEFITS TRUMP. >>> WE'RE COMING ON THE AIR GEARING UP FOR THE DEFINING MOMENT OF THE 2024 PRESIDENTIAL RACE FOR THE FIRST FACE-OFF BETWEEN VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS AND FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP. NOT JUST THE FIRST OF MAY, THE FIRST TIME THESE TWO WILL EVER MEET IN PERSON. NEW POLLING SHOWING THE RACE IS A

DEAD HEAT. IT IS BASICALLY DEADLOCKED. PICK YOUR CLICHI. THIS RACE IS REAL CLOSE. 3 IN 10 AMERICANS SAY WHAT HAPPENS TONIGHT COULD HELP MAKE THE DECISION ON ELECTION DAY. WE WILL BREAK THAT DOWN LIVE FOR THE DEBATE HAPPENING SOON. >>> A POTENTIAL HURRICANE BARRELING TOWARD LOUISIANA. WE ARE JUST GETTING AN UPDATE FROM THE NATIONAL GOAL -- HURRICANE CENTER. FRANCINE, A TROPICAL STORM FOR NOW. EXPECTED TO GET STRONGER OVERNIGHT. POSSIBLY TURNING INTO A HURRICANE AT SOME POINT BEFORE MORNING. ON THE GROUND IN NEW ORLEANS. WHAT ARE PEOPLE BRACING FOR? >> Reporter: WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE

POSSIBILITY OF FLOODING, EVEN TORNADOES, POTENTIALLY HERE IN NEW ORLEANS. ALL OF THIS AND FRANCINE IS MAKING U.S. LANDFALL SOMETIME LATE TOMORROW. THE TRACKS ON THESE ARE SHIFTY SO WE ARE WATCHING AS IT DEVELOPS. IT IS STILL A TROPICAL STORM AND NOT YET REACHED HURRICANE STATUS. WE ARE EXPECTING THAT TO DEVELOP OVER THE NEXT DAY OR SO. IN NEW ORLEANS, YOU CAN HEAR AND SEE THE RAINS WE ARE DEALING WITH. THE RAIN IS COMING DOWN BETWEEN A TRICKLE AND A MIDST. WE CAUGHT UP WITH SOME PEOPLE EARLIER TODAY AT THE SANDBAGGING STAGE. ONE OF THE RESIDENCE

WHO WAS FILLING UP SANDBAGS, HERE IS PART OF WHAT WE HEARD TODAY. >> WE WERE HAVING THE NEIGHBORS OVER FOR A HURRICANE PARTY. GETTING SAFE, GETTING IT TOGETHER. >> JUST A FEW DAYS FROM THE 19th ANNIVERSARY FROM HURRICANE KATRINA, PEOPLE ARE CAUTIOUS AND WANT TO BE PREPARED. >> Reporter: THE KATRINA ANNIVERSARY WAS AT THE END OF AUGUST. TO BE CLEAR, WE ARE NOT EXPECTING AT THIS POINT FOR HURRICANE FRANCINE. WE ARE NOT EXPECTING THE STORM TO REACH THE STRENGTH OF HURRICANE KATRINA, WHICH CAUSED SO MUCH DEVASTATION IN THIS COMMUNITY. IT IS STILL IN PEOPLE'S MINDS

IN NEW ORLEANS AS WE BRACE FOR A GOOD AMOUNT OF RAINFALL. >> JESSE KIRSCH, BRACING FOR ALL OF IT. LET ME BRING -- WHAT IS THE LATEST? >> Reporter: WE HAVE SOME GOOD NEWS AND NEWS THAT IS CONCERNING FOR NEW ORLEANS. ALL OF THE RAIN AS NOT EVEN ASSOCIATED WITH FRANCINE. WE ARE WATCHING A LIGHT SHIELD OF RAIN GOING IN THERE. STILL A TROPICAL STORM. NO ONE THOUGHT IT WOULD STILL BE A TROPICAL STORM. DRY AIR OFF THE COAST OF MEXIC , INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE STORM. THAT'S WHY HE LOOKS LIKE A BIG DOUGHNUT

THROUGHOUT THE DAY. THAT IS FANTASTIC. WE DON'T WANTED TO. HURRICANE CENTER THINKS IT WILL BE A HURRICANE LATER TONIGHT AND STRENGTHENING AS IT APPROACHES SOUTHERN LOUISIANA. WE SHIFTED CLOSER TO NEW ORLEANS. WE DO NOT THINK IT WILL BE A CATEGORY TWO OR CATEGORY THREE. IT LIKELY WILL BE CATEGORY ONE. WITH IT WILL COME SOME STORM SURGE ISSUES AND OTHER ISSUES LIKE SEVERE WEATHER WITH TORNADOES. SOME MINOR WIND DAMAGE AND THE RAINFALL. FLASH FLOODING, POTENTIAL. COMPUTER MODELS, THE BLACK LINE IS THE NEW FORECAST. AT LEAST THREE OF THEM ARE TO THE RIGHT OF THAT AND CLOSER

TO NEW ORLEANS. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO WORK OUT. HOW MUCH OF THE CORE, THE CENTER OF THE STORM, THE WORST PART WILL BE IN NEW ORLEANS OR GOING TOWARD BATON ROUGE OR THE MIDDLE TOMORROW AFTERNOON? WE THINK THAT THE LANDFALL WILL BE 6:00 TO 8:00 P.M. LOCAL TIME IN LOUISIANA. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE WARNINGS IN BATON ROUGE. NEW ORLEANS UNDER A TROPICAL STORM WARNING. THE WIND GUSTS IN THE RANGE OF 60 TO 90 MILES PER HOUR. IF IT IS JUST AWAY FROM NEW ORLEANS, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE TREES AND EVERYTHING ELSE

AND POWER OUTAGES. SOMEONE WILL HAVE A LOT OF POWDER -- POWER OUTAGES. WE DO NOT KNOW IF IT'LL BE BATON ROUGE FOR NEW ORLEANS. >>> LET'S GET BACK TO THE TOP SIR. THE DEBATE IS SET TO HAPPEN LIVE IN PHILADELPHIA IN A COUPLE HOURS. WHAT IS AT STAKE HERE? I DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU. TENS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE COULD BE WATCHING AND KAMALA HARRIS WANTS TO DEFINE HERSELF. THE VICE PRESIDENT WANTS TO MAKE THE CASE AGAINST SOMEBODY WHO SAY THEY KNOW WELL, FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP. HE IS THE ONE WHO WANTS TO TAKE THE LEAD

ON DEFINING THE VICE PRESIDENT. HE HAS HIS OWN CHALLENGE. STAYING ON MESSAGE. STAYING AWAY FROM THE PERSONAL ATTACKS AND HIS ALLIES WANT HIM TO AVOID THEM. THAT'S AN INSTINCT HE'S BEEN ABLE -- UNABLE TO RESIST. LET'S GET YOU TO PHILLY WITH MONICA ALBA. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE STRATEGY FOR THE VICE PRESIDENT MOVING FORWARD. I KNOW FROM TEAM MEMBERS, SOURCES ARE SAYING THAT SHE IS READY AND THEN PREPARING FOR DAYS. >> Reporter: PRETTY EXTENSIVELY. THAT IS NO ACCIDENT. SHE IS APPROACHING THIS LIKE A PROSECUTOR PREPARING FOR TRIAL. SHE POURED OVER THE DOCUMENTS, THE BRIEFING BOOKS, ALL

OF THE GAME FILM TO SEE EVERY TIME DONALD TRUMP HAS APPEARED ON A DEBATE STAGE. SHE IS COMING OUT OF THIS FEELING LIKE SHE KNOWS WHAT HE WILL SAY ON ANY GIVEN TOPIC WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT HE HAS SAID IN THE PAST. SHE'S LEAVING THE DOOR OPEN FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF THE UNSCRIPTED MOMENTS WHERE THERE COULD BE PERSONAL ATTACKS OR DEROGATORY COMMENTS. THERE ARE THINGS THAT I'M TOLD SHE HAD IN THE MOCK DEBATES. THEY WENT TO SCENARIOS AND HAD SOMEBODY WHO DID THE SAME THING FOR HILLARY CLINTON IN 2016. THEY COULD ACTUALLY GO THROUGH

SOME OF THE POTENTIAL EXCHANGES. THEY SAY THAT SHE IS SOMEBODY WHO APPROACHES THESE SERIOUSLY AND WILL BE FOCUSED ON THE SUBSTANCE. THEY ALSO KNOW THERE WILL BE A LOT OF ATTENTION ON THE STYLE. WILL THEY SHAKE HANDS? THEY ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER MET BEFORE OR HAD FACE-TO-FACE TIME. TONIGHT THAT WILL BE A NEW ANGLE. ON TOP OF THAT, THE FACT THAT AMERICANS SAY THAT THEY REALLY FEEL LIKE THEY NEED TO LEARN MORE ABOUT VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS TO MAKE UP THEIR MINDS ABOUT WHETHER THEY WILL SUPPORT HER ARE NOT? THAT IS SOMETHING THEY ARE AWARE

OF. SHE HAS A HIGH PART OF MEETING AND INDICATE SOMETHING NEW ABOUT HERSELF TO THE VOTERS WHICH COULD BE CRITICAL. ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY, THE EYES WILL BE ON STAGE. >> BONUS POINTS FOR USING THE WORD CORRECTLY, COMMONWEALTH. THANK YOU FOR THAT. TO VOTERS, THAT IS WHAT MATTERS. THAT IS ALL OF THAT WHEN EARLY VOTING STARTS. ONE VOTER WHO BACKED PRESIDENT BIDEN BUT LEANS TOWARD TRUMP IS IN ARIZONA. ALEX ASKED WHAT HE WANTS TO HEAR FROM THE CANDIDATES THAT YOU COVER? >> FEEL LIKE SHE IS REPAIRED AND THEY DON'T PUSH HER TOO MUCH. WE WILL

SEE TOMORROW? >> Reporter: IF SHE GETS CHALLENGED AND ANSWERS WELL, COULD YOU POTENTIALLY CHANGE YOUR MIND? >> YES, ABSOLUTELY. AS LONG AS MY CONCERNS GET ADDRESSED. >> YOU SEEN IN THE POLLS TODAY, 77% SAY THEY ARE WATCHING. 30% SAY IT COULD MATTER A GOOD DEAL FOR GREAT AMOUNT. A RACE FOR THE MARGINS ARE THIS TYPE IT COULD BE A GAME CHANGER. >> Reporter: THEY KNOW THAT. THEY KNOW THERE IS A DICHOTOMY BETWEEN VOTERS WHO SEE HER AND SAY SHE CLEARLY IS SOMEBODY IN LINE WITH PRESIDENT BIDEN. DOES SHE REPRESENT EVERYTHING HE STOOD FOR? SHE IS

ALSO SAYING THINGS LIKE THERE IS A NEW WAY FORWARD AND I AM ABOUT THE FUTURE. WHICH IS IT? THEY ARE AWARE THAT IS THE DYNAMIC IN VOTERS MINDS THAT THEY NEED TO ADDRESS. THERE MIGHT BE POLICIES SHE WILL BREAK WITH PRESIDENT BIDEN WHILE PRAISING HIS LEADERSHIP. THEY KNOW THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS SHE WILL TALK ABOUT. IF I'M ELECTED HERE IS WHAT I WILL DO DIFFERENTLY. ON THE SUBSTANCE IT IS HARD TO GET IT ACROSS ON THE DEBATE STAGE. THAT IS SOMETHING SHE WILL TRY TO DO. TWO MONICA ALBA, WE WILL FIND GARRETT HICKEY WHO

COVERS FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP. CHIT CHATTING ON THE PHONE ABOUT HOW HE'S DOING. HE SAYS HE IS FEELING GOOD. IT WOULD BE BIGGER NEWS IF HE SAID HE IS FEELING TERRIBLE. THE POINT IS, HE KNOWS WHAT IS ON THE TABLE TONIGHT. HE UNDERSTANDS TELEVISION, AUDIENCES, TENS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE COULD BE WATCHING. POSSIBLY TWICE AS MANY WHO TUNED INTO THE RNC. >> Reporter: THAT IS RIGHT. DONALD TRUMP HAS DONE MONITOR THESE -- MORE OF THESE THAN ANY OTHER CANDIDATE. HE IS EAGER TO GET ON THE STAGE AFTER WHAT I AM TOLD. SOURCES INVOLVED IN PREP THE

LAST COUPLE OF DAYS, THEY DID BEAR DOWN AND GET SERIOUS ABOUT PREPPING. THE LEADOFF FOR THE LAST TWO WEEKS WAS NOT THE CASE. HE'S MORE FOCUSED NOW. THE HARDEST THING ABOUT PREPARING IS THE IDEA THAT SHE HAS TAKEN CONTRADICTORY POSITIONS OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND HE'S NOT SURE WHICH SET OF POSSESSIONS TO PREPARE FOR. HIS CAMPAIGN SAYS THAT IT IS ONE THEY'RE HAPPY TO SUPPLY. WHATEVER THEY THINK THE MOST OUT OF THE MAINSTREAM POSITION SHE HAS TAKEN IN THE PAST, THEY WILL SAY WHATEVER ELSE SHE SAYS, THAT IS WHAT HER VIEWPOINT IS. I

SEPARATED THE CAMPAIGN AND DONALD TRUMP BECAUSE THAT IS THE CHALLENGE WITH HIM. WE KNOW HIS STRATEGY BUT NOT HIS EXECUTION ONCE THE LIGHTS TURN ON. >> TWO THINGS CAN BE TRUE. HE HAS DONE A NUMBER OF DEBATES AND IN MANY HE CAN BE PRONE TO BE , LOBBING PERSONAL INSULTS WE HAVE SEEN HIM BEFORE. SOMEONE WHO INTERRUPTS. WE ALSO HAVE SEEN THE DONALD TRUMP WHO WAS ON STAGE IN JUNE, HE LOOKED AND LET PRESIDENT BIDEN UNRAVEL HIS OWN CAMPAIGN. WHICH OF THOSE CANDIDATES WILL BE ON STAGE TONIGHT? >> Reporter: WE WILL NOT KNOW UNTIL IT

IS UNDERWAY. DONALD TRUMP DOES NOT CHANGE BUT HE CAN'T FOCUS. ESPECIALLY WHEN HE THINKS THINGS ARE GOING HIS WAY. I HAVE BEEN TOLD THE TIGHTENING OF THE POLLS, NEW YORK TIMES POLL SHOWS HIM MARGIN OF ERROR LEAD. HIS CAMPAIGN PREDICTED THAT HARRIS WOULD HAVE A HONEYMOON AFTER HER CONVENTION THAT WOULD END IF -- I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT DONALD TRUMP BELIEVE THAT BUT I THINK HE DOES NOW SEE A RACE THAT IS CLOSE. I THINK HE FEELS A LITTLE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THE STRATEGY AS IT EXISTS. THE MOMENT HE FEELS IS NOT GOING HIS WAY, WE

COULD SEE THE BAD VERSION OF DONALD TRUMP THAT YOU DESCRIBE. HIS CAMPAIGN IS HOPING IT DOES NOT MAKE AN APPEARANCE TONIGHT. >> WE WILL TALK TO YOU 1000 TIMES DURING THE COURSE OF THE EVENING. I WILL BRING CONGRESSMAN. IT IS GOOD TO SEE YOU. >> IT IS GOOD TO BE WITH YOU. YOU SHOULD BE HERE WITH US. NOT IN NEW YORK. IT IS GOOD TO BE WITH YOU. >> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO LISTEN TO MY CONVERSATION WITH GARY HICKEY? THE ABILITY TO LET AN OPPONENT UNRAVEL. WHICH DONALD TRUMP IS TAKING

THE STAGE TONIGHT? >> WE WILL SEE THE SAME DONALD TRUMP WE SAW IN ATLANTA ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO. HE WILL BE CALM. HE WILL SET THE CONTRAST OF HIS SUCCESSES VERSUS HARRIS AND JOE BIDEN FAILURES. THE POLLING HAS TOLD EVERYBODY WHAT WE ALREADY KNEW. THEY FELT ON THE ECONOMY, INFLATION, ON THE BORDER. AND THEY FAILED ON FOREIGN POLICY. THOSE ARE THINGS THAT DONALD TRUMP WAS SUCCESSFUL WITH WHEN HE WAS PRESIDENT. I DO NOT THINK THERE WILL BE CHANGE FROM HIS TONE AND DEMEANOR AND FOCUS TONIGHT. SAME THING IN ATLANTA A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, BUT THE

KEY THING TONIGHT, WHAT WILL HARRIS DO? THE PRESSURE IS ON HER TO PERFORM. NOT, DONALD TRUMP. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE KNOW WHO HE IS AND WHAT HE WILL DO. SHE HAS TO HAVE A KNOCKOUT PERFORMANCE TODAY. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT WILL HAPPEN? >> OUR TEAM REPORTED THAT THE FORMER PRESIDENT HAS GOTTEN MORE DIALED IN. HAVE YOU SPOKEN WITH HIM TODAY? >> NOT TODAY. I KNOW HE HAS BEEN FOCUSED ON SEEING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. IF YOU LOOKED AT HIS SCHEDULE, THEY RAMPED UP THE AMOUNT OF RALLIES AND EVENTS, TALKING PUBLIC POLICY. ECONOMICS RIGIDITY IN NEW YORK

CITY, COUPLE THAT WITH THE FACT HE HAS BEEN TALKING TO THE MEDIA LIKE HE ALWAYS DOES. ALSO ADDING MORE INTO IT. ALL OF THE PODCAST INTERVIEWS HE HAS DONE THAT LAST FOR 30 TO 45 MINUTES. AN HOUR, HOUR AND A HALF. CONTRAST THAT WITH KAMALA HARRIS, NOBODY HAS SEEN HER IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS. IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THIS IS A RACE WHERE DONALD TRUMP KNOWS WHERE HE WANTS THE COUNTRY TO BE. HE WANTS AMERICA TO BE GREAT AGAIN. HE WANTS TO FIX OUR ECONOMY AND SECURE BORDERS. THAT IS THE SAME THING FOR THE AMERICAN

PEOPLE. SHE MET WE MENTIONED THE MANY INTERVIEWS, THE DISCUSSIONS, THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS. HE CAME UNDER FIRE FOR HIS WORD SALAD ANSWER ON CHILD CARE. MEANDERING, RAMBLING, IN THE WORDS OF SOME CRITICS. WHAT IS HE DOING IN THE PREP SESSIONS WHERE HE IS TALKING POLICY? WHAT IS HE DOING IN THE SESSIONS TO AVOID A MOMENT LIKE THAT ON THE DEBATE STAGE? >> WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH SOMEBODY WHO HAS SO MUCH EXPERIENCE, NOT JUST BEING COMMANDER IN CHIEF, BUT ALSO THE ECONOMY -- HE HAS A WORKING KNOWLEDGE OF EVERY PUBLIC POLICY ISSUE. I THINK THE CONVERSATIONS

ARE ABOUT REFINING POINTS. THAT IS THE SMART THING TO DO. HE WILL BE READY TO GO. THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. THERE ARE CONVERSATIONS IN AND OUT OF THE POLICIES, CLEANING UP THE STUFF FOR THE DEBATE STAGE, EVERY CAMPAIGN DOES THAT. HE IS DOING THAT AS WELL. HE'S NOT STANDING IN FRONT OF THE STAGE WITH -- >> I KNOW HE IS NOT. HE IS TAKING THE STAGE LIKE HE DID WITH HILLARY CLINTON PITT AGAINST THE WOMAN WHO WAS LOOKING TO BE THE FIRST WOMAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE. A DOUBLE-DIGIT GENDER GAP RIGHT NOW. HOW

MUCH IS THAT COMING INTO PLAY IN THE DISCUSSIONS? I DO NOT THINK IT WILL THAT MUCH. AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHETHER YOU ARE MALE FEMALE, BLACK OR WHITE, HISPANIC, THE BORDER MATTERS TO YOU. THE ECONOMY MATTERS. THOSE OF THE THINGS THAT CAN BE FIXED. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PEW RESEARCH POLL, THERE IS A GENDER GAP GOING THE OTHER WAY. THE SAME GAP WITH MEN SUPPORTING DONALD TRUMP, VERSUS WOMEN WHO ARE LEANING TOWARD SUPPORTING KAMALA HARRIS. THIS DEBATE, THE PRESSURE IS ON KAMALA HARRIS. SHE'S THE ONE WHO HAS TO PERFORM. RIGHT NOW HER

SUPPORT IS 48% OR 47% NATIONWIDE. THE STRENGTH AND DURABILITY IS AN INCH DEEP. THAT IS HER PROBLEM. DONALD TRUMP DOES NOT HAVE THAT PROBLEM. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING WITH US FROM MY HOMETOWN OF PHILLY. >>> YOU HEARD HIM TALK ABOUT THE NUMBERS AND WHERE THINGS ARE. WHO KNOWS THE NUMBERS BETTER THAN THIS GUY? STEVE KORNACKI. HELLO. LET'S GET INTO. YOU CAN PICK YOUR CLICHI, WHATEVER IT IS. IT IS CLOSE AND THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE. >> NATIONALLY HERE, THE RUNNING AVERAGE OF THE MAJOR NATIONAL POLLS. HARRIS, 47, TRUMP, 45. THIS IS DOWN

A TAKE GOING INTO LAST WEEKEND, HARRIS HAD A THREE POINT ADVANTAGE. NEW YORK TIMES POLL YESTERDAY HAD JUMP AHEAD. AN IMPROVEMENT FOR DEMOCRATS FROM WHEN JOE BIDEN WAS THE CANDIDATE. HE TRAILED TRUMP ALL YEAR BUT YOU WOULD THINK AFTER 2016 OR 2020, HE WAS FURTHER BEHIND THAN HE IS RIGHT NOW. IT IS FAMILIAR FOR DONALD TRUMP AND IT RAISES THE QUESTION , DONALD TRUMP LOST THE POPULAR VOTE AND FOUND HIS WAY . >> THAT IS WHY THE BATTLEGROUNDS MATTER. POLLING SHOWS THAT K HARRIS IS DOING BETTER IN CRITICAL STATES. SHE TAKES THE LEAD NATIONALLY. BIDEN

DID NOT HAVE THAT. THIS IS THE RUNNING AVERAGE IN THE BATTLEGROUND STATES. YOU DO SEE HARRIS WITH SMALL -- RAZOR THIN. TRUMPED UP BY HALF A POINT. ONE THING THE FLAG, THE STATE WHERE IT IS NOT THAT TINY IS WISCONSIN. HARRIS, 23. THE BIGGEST POLLING MESS WAS WISCONSIN. OVERESTIMATED DEMOCRATIC SUPPORT . >> IT IS HAPPENING. PENNSYLVANIA. SUPER CLOSE. OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE THE DEBATE. YOU HAVE JD VANCE THERE THIS WEEKEND AND HARRIS DOING ANOTHER EVENT THIS WEEK AS SHE AND HER RUNNING MATE GET OUT THERE AFTER THE DEBATE. WHERE DO THINGS STAND? TWO LOOK AT IT

THIS WAY, PENNSYLVANIA HAS 19 ELECTORAL VOTES. YOU GOT 16, 10, SIX, 15, 16, AND 11. IF YOU LOSE FUNDS OF ANY, YOU HAVE TO WIN TWO OTHERS TO OFFSET IT. >> WHAT ARE YOU WATCHING FOR? >> DONALD TRUMP IN THE FIRST ONE, WE SAW THE LAID-BACK SPEAKING STYLE. DID HE LEARN SOMETHING FROM THAT? DOES HE COME BACK THE WAY WE HAVE KNOWN HIM BEFORE? INCUMBENT VICE PRESIDENT, NOT THE SAME AS BEING AN INCUMBENT PRESIDENT. THE FIRST DEBATE, WE SAW WITH BUSH VERSUS OBAMA, IS THERE ANYTHING TO THAT? >> I COULD SEE HER FOR AN HOUR.

>> LET'S DO IT >> THANK YOU. THAT IS ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI. HE KNOWS FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP WELL. HE WILL JOIN US AFTER THIS BREAK DID WE HAVE MORE COVERAGE OF TONIGHT'S DEBATE COMING UP AFTER THIS. >>> WE'RE TALKING POSSIBLY 1 TRILLION GALAXIES. THAT IS A NUMBER THAT IS SO HARD TO COMPUTE. IT FEELS LIKE WE ARE ON THE COST OF SOMETHING BIG. >>> WE ARE BACK NOW WITH COVERAGE OF THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE BETWEEN VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS AND FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP. A DEBATE YOU WILL WATCH LIVE ON NBC NEWS NOW. WE REPORTING THAT ONE OF THE

KEY GOALS FOR THE VICE PRESIDENT IS THE GET UNDER DONALD TRUMP'S SKIN. THE QUESTION, HOW EXACTLY IS SHE GOING TO DO THAT? HEARD TEAM IS BRINGING FORMER OFFICIALS UNDER DONALD TRUMP'S MINISTRATION. INCLUDING, ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI. THE WHITE HOUSE MEDICATIONS DIRECTOR FOR A BRIEF PERIOD. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. >> GOOD TO BE HERE. >> WE HAVE BEEN TALKING SUBSTANCE AND STYLE. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE STYLE. AS WE REPORTED, THERE IS A SENSE THAT THE VICE PRESIDENT MAY TRY TO PROVOKE FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP, TO GET UNDER HIS SKIN. HOW DOES SHE GET THAT RIGHT? >> YOU HAVE THE

MIKE MUTINY. THAT WAS PART OF THE JOE BIDEN AGREEMENT FOR THE DEBATES THAT SHE HAS TO ABIDE BY THOSE RULES. MY GUESS IS THAT SHE WILL BE FOCUSED ON THE POLICY TONIGHT. HERE IS HOW THE COUNTRY LOOKS ALONGSIDE THE ALLIES AS WE GO FORWARD. SHE IS A STRONG AND POWERFUL WOMAN. WE KNOW THAT HAS BEEN A BOTHER FOR DONALD TRUMP IN THE PAST. >> I KNOW THAT STEPHANIE GRISHAM IS IN PHILADELPHIA ON BEHALF OF THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN. YOU HAVE LIZ CHENEY COMING OUT TO SAY THAT SHE AND HER FATHER WILL VOTE FOR VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS.

THE IDEA THAT REPUBLICANS, ARE COMING OUT TO BACK HARRIS, HOW CRITICAL IS THAT FOR THE COALITION SHE IS LOOKING TO BUILD? WHAT ELSE DO THEY HAVE TO DO TO PUT OUT AN OLIVE BRANCH? >> THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION. I DO NOT WANT TO OVERSTATE MINE OR ANYBODY'S IMPORTANCE. IT HOLDS WELL FOR THE VICE PRESIDENT. PEOPLE SAY DOES IT CONCERN YOU THAT 40 PEOPLE ONCE WORKED FOR DONALD TRUMP, WORKING ALONE SIDE HIM IN THE WEST WING, WHO DO NOT TRUST HIM OR WANT HIM NEAR THE PRESIDENCY, SAYING THAT HE PUTS HIMSELF ABOVE THE CONSTITUTION, THAT

HOLDS VERY WELL. I THINK WHAT HARRIS IS LOOK TO DO AND SHE HAD SUCCESS SO FAR, TO BUILD A BROAD-BASED COALITION. IMAGINE BERNIE SANDERS, MYSELF, AND CHENEY VOTING FOR THE SAME PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE IN 2024. >> YOU, LIZ CHENEY, WALK INTO A BAR. DEMOCRATS ARE NOW LOOKING TO MAKE AGE AN ISSUE. WE FLASHBACK TO THREE MONTHS AGO WHEN I WAS PRESIDENT FIGHTING GETTING READY FOR HIS DEBATE AGAINST FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP, VOTERS HAD REAL CONCERNS ABOUT HIS FITNESS FOR OFFICE IN PART BECAUSE OF HIS AGE. NOW DEMOCRATS ARE LOOKING TO TURN THE ISSUE ONTO DONALD TRUMP WHO

IS IN HIS LATE 70s. THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN TALKING ABOUT THE OLD PLAYBOOK, ET CETERA. TALK ABOUT HOW SHE EFFECTIVELY MAKES THE CASE IN THE FACE OF SOMEBODY WHO MAY TURN TO HER TO SAY THAT YOU SUPPORTED PRESIDENT BIDEN UNTIL THE END? >> THAT IS POLITICS. SHE IS PLAYING HARDBALL. SHE KNOWS IT BOTHERS HIM. ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT GETTING UNDER HIS SKIN, SHE KNOWS HE IS SELF-CONSCIOUS ABOUT BEING OLD. SHE KNOWS THAT HE FLAUNTS IT A LOT ON THE TELEPROMPTERS AND HE GETS CONFUSED AS TO WHERE HE IS. THE OTHER NIGHT HE SAID HE WAS

IN NORTH CAROLINA. SHE WANTS TO HAMMER THAT HOME TO PEOPLE. ALL IS FAIR IN LOVE AND POLITICS. I DO NOT MIND HER TAKING THAT POSITION AND I THINK THAT IS A WAY TO UNNERVE HIM. IN WE TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE SUBSTANCE THAT WILL COME UP. YOU KNOW IT WILL BE THE ECONOMY FRONT AND CENTER. AMERICANS SAY THAT IS WHAT IS DRIVING THEM TO THE POLLS. NOBODY IS FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE ANYMORE. THERE IS A NEW HOLE SHOWING THAT A SLIM MAJORITY OF VOTERS THINK THAT FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP IS BETTER EQUIPPED TO HANDLE THE ECONOMY. HOW DOES

THE VICE PRESIDENT TURN THAT AROUND? >> I THINK SHE HAS TO GET HER NARRATIVE OUT THERE. SHE HAS A GOOD RECORD TO RUN ON. INFLATION IS COMING DOWN. WAGE GROWTH IS UP OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS. MANUFACTURING, AS A RESULT HAVE -- BUILDING MICROPROCESSORS IN THE U.S. AGAIN. SHE IS REBUILDING BRIDGES, ROADS, TUNNELS, WHICH IS REDUCING THE COST OF TRANSIT ACTIVITY IN THE USA THAT IS GREAT FOR THE ECONOMY AND BUSINESSES. WE HAVE TO POINT OUT ABOUT SPENDING, WE WENT FROM GEORGE WASHINGTON TO GEORGE WEIJIA. BUSH. WE ADDED A $7 TRILLION DEFICIT. IN FOUR YEARS

CT CREATED A NATE RYAN DOLLARS DEFICIT. HE IS A DANGEROUS GUY WITH DANGEROUS POLICIES. MONTHS TO PUT TARIFFS AND THEY ARE AGGRESSIVE ON POOR PEOPLE. >> YOU TALK ABOUT DEFICITS. DO YOU BELIEVE REPUBLICANS CARE ABOUT DEFICITS? LOOK AT VOTES IN CONGRESS UNDER DONALD TRUMP'S, THAT IS A FAIR QUESTION. >> YEARS AGO THEY DID. TODAY THEY DO NOT. I THINK IT IS DANGEROUS AND THE U.S. IS MORE PROSPEROUS THAN WE GIVE CREDIT FOR. THERE WILL COME A TIME IF WE DO NOT DEAL WITH IT THAT IT WILL LEAD TO A CRISIS. >> THANK YOU FOR JOINING

US. >>> WE WILL TAKE YOU RIGHT BACK TO TALK TO SOME FOLKS WHO KNOW THE CANDIDATES, ABOUT WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO TO WIN OVER THE UNDECIDED VOTERS. >>> KRISTEN WELKER HOSTS MEET THE PRESS. >>> DEMOCRACY IS HAPPENING NOW. >> THE ONLY VOICE THAT REALLY MATTERS IS THE VOICE OF THE VOTERS. >>> THE VOICE OF THE GENERATION NOW IS NBC NEWS NOW. >>> YOU ARE BACK WITH THE CONTINUING COVERAGE OF TONIGHT'S CRITICAL DEBATE IN PHILADELPHIA. I WANT TO BRING A COUPLE FOLKS WHO KNOW THESE CANDIDATES WILL. DONALD TRUMP 2020 CAMPAIGN PRESS SECRETARY AND FORMER WHITE

HOUSE SECRETARY -- PRESS SECRETARY. LET'S START WITH EXPECTATIONS FOR TONIGHT. I AM CURIOUS TO HEAR FROM BOTH OF YOU. ONE THING THAT STRUCK ME TALKING WITH ONE OF THE SURROGATES FOR THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN, HE SAYS THE ONUS IS ON VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS. THERE IS A GAME THAT EVERYBODY PLAYS BEFORE DEBATES LIKE THESE THAT IS SOMEWHAT ASYMMETRICAL. THE EXPECTATIONS FOR HARRIS ARE HIGHER THAN THE EXPECTATIONS FOR DONALD TRUMP. HOW DO YOU SEE IT? >> YOU HEAR FROM BOTH SIDES. SHE IS A BETTER DEBATER HISTORICALLY. THERE IS THAT. SHE HAS PREPPED MORE. NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT. HE

ALSO PREPPED DIFFERENTLY. THE EXPECTATIONS IS NORMAL COURSE OF BUSINESS. IT DOESN'T MATTER UNTIL THE DEBATE STARTS. WHAT IS DIFFERENT, SHE HAS NOT DONE A DEBATE AT THIS LEVEL IN FOUR YEARS. SHE MET SHE HAS NOT DONE ONE AT THIS LEVEL EVER. >> OR CLOSE TO THIS. THEY ALSO HAVE NEVER MET. THAT BLOWS MY MIND. I DON'T KNOW IF IT BLOWS YOURS? THERE IS SOMETHING ABOUT THE DYNAMICS FOR CHEMISTRY OR LACK OF CHEMISTRY. IT DOESN'T MATTER ONCE THE DEBATE STARTS. DOES IT BLOW YOUR MIND? >> DO THEY COME ON STAGE AND SHAKE HANDS? ALL OF THESE

QUESTIONS AROUND THIS. IN SHE SHOULD TRY TO SHAKE HIS HAND. DO YOU THINK HE SHOULD SHAKE HERS? >> WHY NOT? WHY NOT INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO ONE ANOTHER? IT BLOWS MY MIND THAT THEY HAVE NOT MET. THE ENTIRE TIME IN D.C., THEY NEVER MET. SHE'S BEEN DOING THIS FOR 25 YEARS AND HE WAS PRESIDENT. >> WE TALK ABOUT THE MOMENTS TO INTRODUCE PEOPLE. I'M FASCINATED BY HOW MANY PEOPLE WATCHED THE DEBATE IN JUNE COMPARED TO HOW MANY PEOPLE WATCHED THE RNC. TENS OF MILLIONS WATCHED THE DEBATE IN JUNE. 70 PLUS MILLION WATCHED THE DEBATE. THESE ARE

MONSTER NUMBERS. IN POLITICS IT IS AS CLOSE AS HE WILL GET. 3 IN 10 VOTERS SAY THIS WILL BE A GOOD PART OF THEIR DECISION- MAKING. 1 IN 10 SAY THEY NEED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT DONALD TRUMP. HOW DOES HE TRIED TO REDEFINE HIMSELF? >> I DON'T KNOW THAT HE WANTS TO REDEFINE HIMSELF SMACK HE NEEDS TO RELY ON HIS RECORDS. HE NEEDS TO DO A GOOD JOB OF DEFINING HER BEFORE SHE CAN DEFINE HERSELF. HE NEEDS TO STAY ON MESSAGE. IF HE DOES THOSE, HE WILL COME OUT. AT THE LEAST, ON PAR, IF NOT

A CLEAR VICTORY. >> THERE IS THE GENDER GAP IN THIS RACE. 13 TO 14 POINTS, DEPENDING ON WHICH POLL. THE LAST TIME HE DEBATED A WOMAN WHO WAS SEEKING THE WHITE HOUSE, PEOPLE REMEMBER WHEN HE LOOMED OVER -- SHE TALKED ABOUT IN HER MEMOIR. SHE WAS EXTREMELY UNCOMFORTABLE AT THAT MOMENT. THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN TODAY. BOTH CANDIDATES HAVE TO SAY AT THE MICROPHONES. THE MICROPHONES WILL BE MUTED. HOW DO THE RULES OF TONIGHT PLAY INTO WHAT WE EXPECT TO SEE ON STAGE? >> THE MICROPHONES BEING CUT OFF IS A BIG DEAL. THERE IS A REASON

THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN ONE OF THEM LEFT ON. IN 2020 WHEN DONALD TRUMP LOST HIS MIND, HE KEPT TALKING. IF YOU ARE THE HARRIS TEAM YOU WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN. THERE ARE TWO MINUTES FOR YOUR ANSWER AND REBUTTAL. AND ONE MINUTE. IT IS LESS LIKELY -- PEOPLE IN THE ROOM MIGHT HERE BUT THERE ARE ONLY THE MODERATORS IN THE ROOM. THEY COULD'VE BEEN A MOMENT THAT WE WOULD TALK ABOUT A COUPLE DAYS FROM NOW. IT IS A LOT MORE CONTROL. I THINK THAT IS BETTER FOR HIM AND NOT AS GOOD FOR HER. >> I

AM HEARING THAT WE HAVE BRAND-NEW SOUND FROM PRESIDENT BIDEN IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MINUTES TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT. I BELIEVE HE SAID HE HAS BEEN IN TOUCH WITH VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS? I MEET SAY THAT FOR THE FOLKS. WE WILL LISTEN TOGETHER. >> I SPOKE TO THE VICE PRESIDENT. SHE SEEMS CALM, COOL, COLLECTED. I'M NOT CONCERNED. >> HE GAVE HER SOME ADVICE THAT HE WILL NOT TELL US WHAT IT IS WHAT SHE IS FEELING CALM, COOL, COLLECTED. IS THERE RISK THAT WITH THE PREPARATION THAT SHE IS OVERCOOKED OR OVER FIVE? >> THE KEY WITH PREP, A

CANNOT TELL YOU DOWN. YOU PREPPED TO BE AGILE IN THE MOMENT. THAT IS TRUE IN ANYTHING. >> MY FIRST TIME ON MEET THE PRESS, I DID ALL OF THIS PREP AND -- >> CALM DOWN AND BE IN THE MOMENT. THERE WERE OTHER ISSUES WITH THE FIRST DEBATE BUT ONE ISSUE IS THAT PRESIDENT BIDEN WAS TRYING TO SPIT OUT THE NUMBERS AND DATA HE KNEW. FIRST OF ALL, VOTERS DO NOT VOTE ON NUMBERS AND DATA. THEY VOTE ON HOW YOU CONNECT WITH THEM. SHE HAS TO REMEMBER IT'S ABOUT PULLING HEART STRINGS. >> VOTERS VOTE ON HOPE.

HOW DOES A CANDIDATE LIKE FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP, WHOSE CAMPAIGN HAD OMINOUS OVERTONES, TRY TO DELIVER THAT MESSAGE? >> PEOPLE WHO FOLLOWED DONALD TRUMP AND WANT HIM TO BE PRESIDENT ARE HELPFUL. TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD GAS. SO THE SOUTHERN BORDER COULD BE SECURE WITHOUT WARS BREAKING OUT ALL OVER THE WORLD. HIS POLICIES ARE CLEAR. IRONIC THIS ENTIRE DEBATE WILL BE DONALD TRUMP TRYING TO REMIND PEOPLE OF HIS RECORD. HARRIS WILL TRY TO MAKE PEOPLE FORGET ABOUT HERS. THE WAY PEOPLE FEEL NOW ARE BECAUSE OF HARRIS. IT'S AN INTERESTING DYNAMIC TO WATCH THEM. AGAIN, HE WAS

PRESIDENT OF THE U.S. HE HAS A RECORD TO RUN ON. THE HOPE AND VIOLENCE THING, I GET THAT PEOPLE LIKE THAT. TRYING TO PAY FOR MY GROCERIES WITHOUT THE OTHER DAY AND IT DIDN'T WORK. THE FACT, PEOPLE CARE ABOUT POLICIES THAT ALLOW THEM TO SUCCEED. HARRIS HAS NOT OFFER THAT AND DONALD TRUMP HAS A TALK ABOUT THAT. >> TRIED TO THEN MOW YOU SOME VIBES THE OTHER DAY. IT DIDN'T WORK. DONALD TRUMP GETS THE GO LAST FOR CLOSING. I WILL GIVE THE FINAL THOUGHTS TO YOU. >> THIS IS A HUGE KNIFE OR BOTH. THE LAST

NIGHT THAT WE KNOW OF THAT THEY WILL STAND SIDE-BY SIDE, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY CHANGE BUT THEY ARE A MOMENT TO SHAKE THINGS UP. IS NOT JUST ABOUT TONIGHT, ABOUT THE MOMENTS THAT PEOPLE TALK ABOUT A WEEK FROM NOW. >> GREAT TO SEE BOTH OF YOU. WE WILL TALK WITH YOU MORE THIS EVENING. >>> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS AND TRENTON, AS PHILADELPHIA AND THE REST OF THE COUNTRY GET READY FOR THEM TO TAKE THE SACRED YOU ARE TAKING A LOOK AT THE SPIN ROOM IN PHILLY. WE WILL BE BACK IN JUST A SECOND. >>> TOP STORY WITH

TOM LLAMAS. >>> FOR THE LATEST ON THE 2024 ELECTION, GET THE NBC NEWS APP. YOU LATEST SOURCE FOR THE LATEST BREAKING NEWS, ANALYSIS, DOWNLOAD THE NBC NEWS APP, NOW. >>> WE ARE LAYING OUT EXPECTATIONS FOR TONIGHT. VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, THE FORMER PROSECUTOR SET TO TAKE ON DONALD TRUMP. DONALD TRUMP, A SHOWMAN BASED ON YEARS IN REALITY TELEVISION. PERHAPS THE TWO OF THEM HOPING TO AVOID GOING VIRAL FOR THE WRONG REASONS. NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU PREP, SOMETIMES IT IS THE MORE EMOTIONAL THAT 10 TO LIVE ON IN PEOPLE'S MINDS. PAST DEBATES MAY GIVE A CLUE

AS TO STRATEGIES TONIGHT. TAKE A LOOK AT THE MOST CRITICAL MOMENTS. WATCH. IN THE FIRST FACE-OFF BETWEEN CANDIDATES WITH DIFFERENT PREP, STYLES, AND DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE . FOR VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, HER FIRST TIME STEPPING INTO THIS KIND OF GENERAL ELECTION SPOTLIGHT. AFTER MEMORABLE MOMENTS IN PRIMARY AND KEY DEBATES. >> I AM SPEAKING. >> Reporter: HARRIS, NO STRANGER TO THE STAGE. WHEN HER OPPONENT AWKWARDLY DABBED. >> THERE IS A CLEAR DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CANDIDATES IN THIS RACE. I THINK THE VOTERS WILL MAKE THAT DECISION. IN LA'S LOOK TO HER EXPERIENCE THAT -- HARRIS DRAWING ON HER PERSONAL

BACKGROUND WITH HER FUTURE BOSS. >> YOU WORKED WITH THEM TO OPPOSE BUSING. THERE WAS A LITTLE GIRL IN CALIFORNIA WHO WAS PART OF THE SECOND CLASS TO INTEGRATE HER PUBLIC SCHOOLS. SHE WAS BLESSED TO SCHOOL EVERYDAY. THAT LITTLE GIRL WAS ME. BYE SHE HAD TO PLAY DEFENSE LIKE IN ANOTHER DEBATE, ACCUSED OF HYPOCRISY TO SHIFT TO A PROGRESSIVE POSITION. >> TOO MANY EXAMPLES TO SAY. SHE PUT OVER 1500 PEOPLE IN JAIL FOR MARIJUANA VIOLATIONS AND LAUGHED ABOUT IT WHEN SHE ASKED -- WAS ASKED IF SHE SMOKED MARIJUANA. IN MOST RECENTLY IN JUNE, A SHOWDOWN ULTIMATELY

ENDED PRESIDENT BIDEN'S PRESIDENTIAL RUN. THE FIRST-EVER DEBATE IN 2020, NOTABLE FOR WHAT DONALD TRUMP DID NOT SAY WHEN HE WAS ASKED IF HE CONDEMNED WHITE SUPREMACISTS? >> I'M WILLING TO DO ANYTHING. GIVE ME A NAME. >> WHITE SUPREMACISTS. >> STAND BACK AND STAND BY. IN THE FIRST DEBATE AGAINST HILLARY CLINTON POSE A RECORD FOR THE MOST WATCHED EVER. 84 MILLION VIEWS. THE TWO SPARRING OVER FOREIGN POLICY AND VLADIMIR PUTIN. >> HE WOULD RATHER HAVE A PUPPET FOR PRESIDENT. IT IS PRETTY CLEAR -- TWO DONALD TRUMP LOOMING BEHIND HIS OPPONENT ON STAGE. ANOTHER POINT DELIVERING PERSONAL

ATTACKS. EARLIER IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARIES, RESPONDING TO AN INSULT BY THE SIZE OF HIS HANDS. >> LOOK AT THOSE HANDS. ARE THEY SMALL? REMAKE VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS IS HOPING TO MAKE GOOD ON PAST PLEDGES. >> I WOULD WIPE THE FLOOR WITH HIM. WE'RE ACCORDING TO THE RULES OF THIS DEBATE, FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL GET THE LAST WORD. I WANT TO BRING SOMEONE WHO IS COVERING EVERY DEBATE WE SHOWED. ANDREA MITCHELL IS JOINING US. WE KNOW TONIGHT'S DEBATE IS A FIRST. I WONDER HOW IT FEELS TO YOU BASED ON YOUR REPORTING, COMPARED TO OTHER DEBATES YOU

COVERED? >> Reporter: I WAS GETTING LITTLE PTSD. ONE DOWN MEMORY LANE IN SOME OF THOSE MOMENTS. IT WAS SO EXCRUCIATING FOR THE CANDIDATES. I THINK THIS ONE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT. THERE IS NOTHING THAT COMPARES TO THIS. YOU HAVE BEEN THERE. YOU HAVE A FORMER PRESIDENT AND A CURRENT VICE PRESIDENT , THE CURRENT PRESIDENT TOOK HIMSELF OUT UNDER HUGE PRESSURE. A HISTORIC DECISION TO GIVE UP POWER. SHE HAS TO PROVE HERSELF AS SHE HAS ONLY DONE ONE OF YOU. PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW WHO SHE IS ACCORDING TO POLLING. TWICE AS MANY PEOPLE THINK THAT DONALD

TRUMP WOULD BE A CHANGE . SHE'S GOT TO FILL IN THE GAPS. DO MORE THAN RESONATE. DO MORE THAN TALK ABOUT THE LEGACY OF JOE BIDEN. TO SEPARATE HERSELF TO SHOW SHE CAN BE SOMETHING NEW AND DIFFERENT. SHE IS DIFFERENT. SHE IS A WOMAN AND MUCH YOUNGER. SHE IS A FRESH FACE TO A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT SEEN HER. THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR HER BUSHES TO FILL IN THE GAPS AND TALK ABOUT THE ECONOMY. AVOID SOME PITFALLS. HE IS AN UNKNOWN FACTOR. HE CAN BE DISCIPLINE. WE HAVE NOT SEEN HIM BE THAT WHEN

IT HAS COME TO A WOMAN CANDIDATE. WHEN IT COMES TO FEMALES HIS RESPONSE SOMEHOW IS ALWAYS UNPREDICTABLE OR OFFENSIVE. AS NIKKI HALEY SAID, HIS OWN ADVISORS HAVE TOLD HIM NOT TO TALK ABOUT APPEARANCE OR CALL THEM STUPID. TALK ABOUT POLICIES. THE STAKES ARE SO HIGH BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENCES. THE CONTRASTS BETWEEN THESE CANDIDATES. THE PRINCIPLES, THE WAY DONALD TRUMP DISTORTS THE TRUTH. THE BULLYING. THE NEW YORK TIMES POINTED OUT TODAY. THIS IS A CANDIDATE THAT WE HAVE TO COVER IN A DIFFERENT WAY. >> EVEN WHEN FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP TALKS POLICY, THE FORMER PRESIDENT GETS INTO

PERSONAL ATTACKS IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS. LET ME ASK ABOUT HARRIS. THE WAY THIS UNFOLDED WITH PRESIDENT BIDEN STEPPING OFF THE TICKET AND HER ENDING UP, SHE WAS NOT TESTED BY PRIMARY DEBATES THIS CYCLE. DOES THAT HELP OR HURT HER THIS TIME AROUND? >> I THINK IT HURTS HER. SHE AVOIDED A LOT OF PITFALLS BY NOT GETTING BEATEN UP IN THE PRIMARIES. SHE HAS NOT MADE MISTAKES YET IN THESE LAST 70 PLUS DAYS. THE FACT IS, SHE HAS NOT BEEN TESTED IN THE TROUBLE OF A CAMPAIGN. WE SAW IN 2016, HILLARY CLINTON DID NOT DO WELL IN

THAT TEST. SHE REACTED BADLY AND A LOT OF OTHER ISSUES. SHE SHUT DOWN AND DID NOT DO INTERVIEWS. SHE COULDN'T HANDLE THE PRESSURE. THAT WAS EXTRAORDINARY PRESSURE. DID NOT HANDLE THE WAY SHE NEEDED TO. >> YOU TALK ABOUT HIS HISTORY SAYING THINGS LIKE CALLING HILLARY CLINTON A NASTY WOMAN. PEOPLE CLOSE TO HIM SAID THEY WOULD LIKE HIM TO FOCUS ON POLICY, ISSUES LIKE THE ECONOMY AND EMIGRATION. HE PULLS BETTER THAN HER BY A SLIM MARGIN. TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU WILL WATCH FOR TONIGHT? >> WHAT HE DID THE LAST TIME WITH JOE BIDEN, WHATEVER HE WAS

ASKED HE PRETTY MUCH ANSWERED ABOUT IMMIGRATION. THIS USUALLY THE QUESTIONS? IN THIS FORMAT CAN SHE COME BACK AT HIM. WILL THE MODERATORS BREAK IN AND DO SOMETHING, DO ANY FACT CHECKING? ABC WERE TOLD THEY HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY. IF IT IS A TIGHTLY FORMATTED CAMPAIGN, THE VOTERS WILL NOT LEARN WHAT THEY NEED TO LEARN. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ISN'T THAT WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO? WILL VOTERS LEARN WHAT THEY NEED TO TONIGHT? >>> WE WILL TRY TO READ THE TEA LEAVES ON WHO THE VOTERS THE CANDIDATES ARE TRYING TO REACH OUR. >>> WE WILL HAVE

A LIVE LOOK TONIGHT. >>> LET'S TALK ABOUT THE IMPLICATIONS ON WOMEN'S HEALTH AND THE POLITICAL FALLOUT. >>> TALK ABOUT WHAT THIS LAW ACTUALLY WILL AND WILL NOT DO. >>> CREWS WILL ALMOST DO ANYTHING THEY CAN TO GET IT OPEN ASAP. >>> I COULD KEEP TALKING UNTIL THE EIFFEL TOWER'S START SPARKLING. >> AND A SPARKLING. IT IS HAPPENING. >>> THIS DEBATE HAPPENING IN THE CRITICAL PENTAGON COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA. YOU KNOW FROM THE CONVERSATION WE HAVE SHOWN YOU WITH STEVE KORNACKI, IT IS VERY CLOSE IN THAT STATE. AS WE TAKE A LOOK AT DONALD TRUMP LANDING THERE

AS WE SPEAK. THIS IS THE FORMER PRESIDENT'S PLANE. HE IS NOW ARRIVING ON THE GROUND. VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, IS ALREADY THERE. SHE ACTUALLY HAS BEEN THERE FOR DAYS NOW. SHE HAS BEEN IN THE WESTERN SIDE. AS FOR, DOING PREP. SHE HUNKERED DOWN AND MADE A COUPLE OTR'S. UNEXPECTED CAMPAIGN STOPS. VISITED A SPICE SHOP. SHE TALKED ABOUT HOW SHE IS FEELING ABOUT THIS DEBATE. NOW DONALD TRUMP IS ALSO IN PHILADELPHIA. JUST HOURS AWAY. JUST ABOUT THREE HOURS AWAY, I SHOULD SAY, FROM THE START OF DEBATE NIGHT. PENNSYLVANIA, KEEP IN MICHIGAN, ALSO KEY. OUR TEAM TALKING WITH

VOTERS AND WE WANT TO SHOW YOU THAT QUICK. >> I HOPE THAT HER PERFORMANCE TONIGHT WILL SHOW THAT SHE IS THE RIGHT CANDIDATE. >> I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO HEAR KAMALA'S POLICY . SHE HAS NOT BEEN CLEAR ON ANYTHING. IT SEEMS LIKE A CELEBRITY CAMPAIGN SO FAR. REBECCA SOUNDS LIKE VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS HAS THE ABILITY TO WIN YOUR VOTE TONIGHT? >> YES. >> THAT SAYS IT ALL. ANY CANDIDATE PRESUMABLY WOULD WANT TO HEAR THAT. CHUCK TODD IS BACK. WE WILL SEE IF HE SAYS ANYTHING. YOU SAID THAT YOU ARE KEEPING AN EYE ON WHICH VOTERS

THE CANDIDATES WILL TRY TO DIRECTLY ADDRESS TONIGHT. WE GOT A SIGNAL AT THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION BASED ON THE VICE PRESIDENT'S SPEECH. PEOPLE SHE SEEMED TO AIM AT. TALK ABOUT YOUR EXPECTATION FOR TONIGHT AND HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS? >> Reporter: FRANKLY IT IS A GOOD WAY TO WATCH THE DEBATE. YOU GET AN IDEA OF WHAT EACH CANDIDATE'S CAMPAIGN BELIEVES. YOU GET MORE FROM THE HARRIS SIDE THEN YOU WILL FROM TRUMP. FOR HARRIS TO WIN, JUST TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET 51 PERCENT. DONALD TRUMP, HIS THEORY OF THE CASE IS TO MAKE 40% A WINNING

NUMBER. A LOT OF EVIDENCE SUGGESTS THAT HE DOES NOT WANT TO -- WHO ARE THOSE VOTERS? THE SLICE OF'S -- OF VOTERS ARE CENTRISTS. THE DOUBLE HATERS WHO WERE UNFAVORABLE TO BIDEN AND TRUMP. THEY ARE SKEPTICAL OF HARRIS AND SHE HAS TO FIGURE OUT -- SHE DIDN'T -- TURNING THE PAGE, THE MESSAGING. TRYING TO TURN HIM INTO THE INCOME IT OF THE POLITICAL ERA. EVEN THOUGH SHE IS TECHNICALLY THE INCUMBENT ADMINISTRATION. I AM CURIOUS, WILL SHE GIVE THEM MORE THAN, I WILL TURN THE PAGE? HOW WAS SHE VIRTUAL -- VIRTUAL SIGNAL, I WILL NOT BE

CONTROLLED BY THE LEFT? THAT WAS A QUESTION SHE DIDN'T ANSWER AT THE CONVENTION. >> THE PLANE THAT WAS LANDING WAS ACTUALLY JD VANCE. THE WHISPER DOWN THE LANE. I WANTED TO LET FOLKS KNOW THAT WE ARE WAITING ON THE FORMER PRESIDENT TO LAND IN PHILLY. THAT PLACE IS NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART. THIS IS THE WAY THE HARRIS CAMP LOOKING TO CONTROL THE FORMER PRESIDENT. THEY FEATURED AN AD WITH SOME OF HIS FORMER ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS SLAMMING HIM. DO YOU THINK THAT WILL BE A FOCUS TONIGHT TO GET UNDER HIS SKIN? >> I TALKED TO

ADVISORS PREPARING HARRIS. HER GOAL IS TO MAKE HIM FEEL SMALL. IN A LOT OF WAYS, SHE DOES NOT WANT TO DEBATE WITH HIM OR GET INTO THE MUD WITH HIM. TO REALLY JOUST WITH HIM. TO BE A LEVEL HIGHER. SPEAKING DIRECTLY TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. THAT MEANS NOT GETTING INTO THE FIGHT THAT HE WANTS TO. HE WILL ANSWER THE QUESTION QUICKLY AND PIVOT TO HITTING HER. THAT WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR HER TO DEFEND HER RECORD AND GO AFTER HIM. SHE WOULD DO THE SAME. YOU SAW A LOT IN THE LAST DEBATE, DONALD TRUMP WOULD

HIT BIDEN BY ANSWERING QUICKLY AND MOVING ON. SHE IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO RISE ABOVE IT AND TO MAKE HIM FEEL SMALL. THAT'S WHY SHE SPOKE TO HILLARY RECENTLY TO ASK FOR ADVICE. DONALD TRUMP IS UNPREDICTABLE. IS NOT AN EASY PERSON TO DEBATE. IT IS QUITE A SPECTACLE AND HARD TO AVOID. IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW SHE'S ABLE TO HANDLE THAT? YOU HAVE TO BE ON YOUR TOES. I DO NOT THINK IT WILL BE EASY. IF HE DOESN'T GET WHAT HE WANTS HE COULD GO TO PLACES AND DRAG YOU INTO.

>> JUST A SOMEWHAT HIS ALLIES ARE SAYING THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE HIM DO, WE UNDERSTAND THAT DONALD TRUMP WILL DO WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO. IF WE COULD GIVE HIM ADVICE AND THERE'S A 50% CHANCE HE WILL TAKE IT. >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HARRIS WANTS TO DO, TO MAKE HIM LOOK SMALL. OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST SIX WEEKS, IF MY MATH IS CORRECT, YOU HAVE SEEN THIS MORE AND MORE. DEMOCRATS LOOKING TO PAINT HIM NOT AS A LARGE THREAT TO DEMOCRACY AS BIDEN DID, BUT AS SOMEBODY SMALL AND WEIRD AS THE

WORDS OF GOVERNOR WALZ. WE HEARD HER ALLUDE TO THIS AT THE CONVENTION CALLING HIM, I'M SERIOUS. SHE USED THAT LINE ON PREVIOUS. HOW EFFECTIVE DO YOU THINK THAT WILL BE? >> IT DEPENDS ON HOW SHE DOES IT. IF SHE IS THE INSTIGATOR -- THERE IS A FINE LINE YOU SHOWED EARLIER. SOME OF THE DEBATE MOMENTS, THE MARCO RUBIO MOMENT. WHEN HE DECIDED TO GET DOWN TO DONALD TRUMP'S LEVEL. WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM? HE SOLELY TO HIM. IT KEPT DONALD TRUMP THE FRONT RUNNER. AS >> HE WANTS TO MAKE IT ABOUT HIM. IT'S NOT HARD TO

DO THAT. THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT CAN GET UNDER HIS SKIN. A BIG ONE IS REMINDING HIM THAT HE WAS FIRED BY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. I THINK IT IS AN IMPORTANT MOMENT FOR HIM TO DEAL WITH. USING HIS LANGUAGE TO DESCRIBE WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM, I THINK IT WILL BE A FASCINATING MOMENT. I WILL BE CURIOUS WITH HOW HE HANDLES IT. >> ONE OF THE THINGS YOU ARE WRITING ABOUT, THE SUPER PATH, WHICH SPENT A TON OF MONEY IN IOWA TO LOSE THE CAUCUS BY 30 POINTS. THEY ARE SELLING YOU THE MODEL FOR THE ANALYTICAL'S,

HOW DOES THAT DYNAMIC HAPPENED BEHIND THE SCENES? >> THEY BASICALLY TOOK ON THE PATH THAT JUST STARTED IN MID- JULY. THIS IS THE GROUND GAME THAT THEY ARE OUTSOURCING. IT IS SOMETHING NEW AND REVOLUTIONARY. THEY JUST RULED THAT CAMPAIGNS CAN COORDINATE. IT WAS A PACK THAT WAS SO UNSUCCESSFUL TO COORDINATE WITH. IT WAS SHOCKING THAT THEY WOULD DO THAT. THAT THEY WOULD WORK WITH THE NEVER BACK DOWN CREW, ONLY TO LOSE BY 30 POINTS. AND THEY ALL HATE HIM AND HIS TEAM. IT'S A LONG, LONG FEUD BETWEEN THEM. >> WILL BE TALKING MORE TONIGHT. THANK

YOU BOTH FOR BEING WITH US. THAT'S A WRAP FOR THIS HOUR. WE'VE GOT A LOT MORE COVERAGE PICKING UP RIGHT NOW. ♪ ♪ >>> HEY THERE, I AM HAILLE. TONIGHT, WE WILL SEE WHAT MAY BE THE MOST CRITICAL MOMENT OF THIS RACE. AND THE MOST CRITICAL MOMENT YET, THE FIRST DEBATE BETWEEN VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS AND FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP. THIS IS THE SPIN ROOM. BACKERS OF BOTH CANDIDATES WILL COME OUT BEFORE AND AFTER TO SAY, HEY, MY PERSON WON. THAT'S WHAT WE OAC IN THESE ACTION ROOMS. THE THE EVENT ROOM IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION

WHERE ALL THE DRAMA WILL BE. THE BIG QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THEY WILL DEFINE THEMSELVES IN FRONT OF EACH OTHER IN FRONT OF A TV AUDIENCE THAT COULD HIT 50 MILLION. IT'S IN A VIRTUAL DEAD HEAT. IT'S BASICALLY DEADLOCKED. THE RACE, IT IS REAL CLOSE. 3 IN 10 AMERICAN SAYS WHAT HAPPENS TONIGHT COULD HELP THEM MAKE A DECISION ON ELECTION DAY. WE HAVE REPORTERS COVERING EVERY ANGLE OF IT. THEY WILL BE DOING IT ALL NIGHT LONG. WE WILL GET TO DASHA BURNS IN JUST A SECOND. WE WILL GO TO YAMICHE ALCINDOR . WE HEARD PRESIDENT BIDEN

SAY HE GAVE THE ADVICE, THIS IS WHAT THE ADVICE WAS. BUT HE'S FEELING CALM, COOL, AND COLLECTED. WALK US THROUGH THAT. >> Reporter: SOURCES FAMILIAR WITH VICE PRESIDENT HARRISON THESE LAST FEW HOURS TELL ME THAT SHE WILL WALK THROUGH HERE IN PHILADELPHIA COME INTO THE CONVENTION CENTER, LOOKING AROUND TO THE STATES WHERE SHE WILL BE DEBATING FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP IN JUST A FEW HOURS. SHE IS REALLY FOCUSED ON REFINING HER MESSAGE. ESPECIALLY UNDECIDED VOTERS SPECIFICALLY ON WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. TALKING ABOUT POLICY, HER MIDDLE-CLASS BACKGROUND, HOW HER -- WAS SHAPED. SHE ALSO WANTS

TO GET UNDER DONALD TRUMP'S SKIN. SHE WANTS TO DATE HIM AND REALLY MAKE HIM LASH OUT AT HER, IF POSSIBLE. AND MAYBE EVEN USE DEROGATORY LANGUAGE. SHE WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT SHE GETS THEM TO STUMBLE, MUMBLE. SHE ALSO FOCUSES ON KEEPING CALM, AND NOT GETTING CAUGHT UP HERSELF, HAILLE. >> YAMICHE, THANK YOU SO MUCH. WHAT'S BEEN INTERESTING HERE, HE DOES LONG RALLIES -- THAT HAS NOT BEEN THE CASE THIS TIME AROUND. HE'S DONE HOURS OF WHAT THEY ARE DESCRIBING AS POLICY SESSION, WHICH IS ITS OWN FORM OF PREP. MAYBE NOT THE MOCK LIGHTING, BUT

IT IS STILL PREPARATION NONETHELESS. TALK US THROUGH THAT AND YOUR DETAILS ON STRATEGY FOR MR. TRUMP HEADING INTO TONIGHT. >> Reporter: YES. LIKE HE LONG SAID, CAMPAIGNING IS MY PREP, LIFE IS PREP FOR ME. HE WAS AT MAR-A-LAGO DOING MUCH MORE EXTENSIVE PREP FOR HOURS, GOING THROUGH POTENTIAL QUESTIONS. HE'S BEEN FOCUSED IN. HE'S FEELING GREAT, HE'S HAPPY WITH HOW HIS DEBATE PREP HAS CONCLUDED. THE THING THAT THEY HAVE BEEN PUSHING HIM TO DO IS TO FOCUS MORE ON POLICIES THAN PERSONAL ATTACKS. TRY TO TIE HARRIS TO THE BY THE ADMINISTRATION AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. TRY

TO MAKE THE VICE PRESIDENT ACCOUNTABLE, WHETHER IT IS ABOUT THE ECONOMY, OR THE OTHER THING YOU ARE LIKELY TO SEE HIM DO TONIGHT IS TO REMIND FOLKS SOME OF WHAT HARRIS SAID, SOME OF THE POSITION SHE HELD WHEN SHE RAN FOR PRESIDENT BACK IN 2020. SOME VIEWS THAT ARE HARDER TO THE LEFT THAN WHAT SHE WOULD DO NOW IF SHE WERE IN THE WHITE HOUSE. TRYING TO PAINT HERSELF AS MORE LIBERAL THAN THOSE AVERAGE DOWN THE MIDDLE VOTERS WOULD LIKE TO SEE, HAILLE. >> DASHA BURNS, LIVE FOR US. THANK YOU SO MUCH. LET'S SHOW YOU

WHAT WILL HAPPEN TONIGHT. YOU WILL SEE 90 MINUTES OF BOTH CANDIDATES ON THE SCREEN. -- A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL, AND THEN A MINUTE TO FOLLOW-UP. LET'S BE ALSO ABOUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN TONIGHT, PEOPLE HEAR THINGS THAT ARE NOT TRUE. RIGHT? THAT IS THE REALITY. THERE ARE GIGANTIC FACT CHECKING APPARATUSES AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT COVER THE NEWS AROUND THE COUNTRY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAY COME UP TONIGHT, AND ALSO MAY NOT, IS THE CONSPIRACY THEORY THAT DONALD TRUMP'S VICE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN SPREADING ABOUT -- IN OHIO. IT HAS BEEN ROOTED IN RACIST STEREOTYPES. WALK US THROUGH

THIS. WE ARE HEARING MORE ABOUT THIS IN THE STATE OF OHIO. >> YES, THAT'S RIGHT, HAILLE. IMMIGRATION WILL BE A HUGE ISSUE. WHETHER OR NOT THIS SPECIFIC STORY COMES UP. THERE IS THIS TOWN THAT HAS A POPULATION OF ABOUT 15,000, ACCORDING TO THE LICENSES. IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, IT HAS SEEN A HUGE INFLUX OF HAITIAN IMMIGRANTS. ABOUT 15,000 OR SO. YESTERDAY, OHIO SENATOR JD VANCE PUT SOMETHING ON SOCIAL MEDIA THEY GOT A LOT OF ATTENTION. HE SAID THAT REPORTS NOW SHOW THAT PEOPLE HAVE HAD THEIR PETS OF DUCK IT, AND EVEN BY PEOPLE

THAT SHOULDN'T BE IN THIS COUNTRY. THEY PUT OUT THEIR OWN STATEMENT, SAYING THERE HAD BEEN NO CREDIBLE REPORTS OR SPECIFIC CLAIMS OF PETS BEING HARMED OR ABUSED BY INDIVIDUALS WITHIN THE IMMIGRANT COMMUNITY. THAT PROMPTED JD VANCE TODAY TO POST SOMETHING ELSE ON SOCIAL MEDIA, WALK AND GET BACK A BIT. HE SAYS IT IS POSSIBLE, OF COURSE, THAT ALL THESE RUMORS WOULD TURN OUT TO BE FALSE. JUST IN THE PAST TWO HOURS OR SO, AND THE MAYOR SAYS THE STORY ORIGINATED IN ANOTHER TOWN ENTIRELY. THERE WAS A WOMAN ARRESTED FOR ANIMAL CRUELTY. OVER THE PAST COUPLE

OF MONTHS, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF TALK IN CITY COMMISSION MEETINGS ABOUT THIS MIGRANT INFLUX. JUST TONIGHT, THE GOVERNOR SENDING MORE STATE RESOURCES TO SPRINGFIELD AND IS CALLING ON THE GOVERNMENT TO DO MORE. >> GABE GUTIERREZ, THANK YOU FOR THAT. THE STAGE IS SET. MIKE WALSH IS JOINING ME NOW. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. >> YEAH, SURE. >> SO YOU ARE A LONG TIME SUPPORTER OF THE PRESIDENT. ONE OF THE TWO LOOKING FOR TONIGHT ON WHAT MAY BE THE BIGGEST AGE, THE HIGHEST PROFILE MOMENT OF THIS PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN? >> Reporter: I THINK YOU ARE

GOING TO SEE A VERY CLEAR CONTRAST ON WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP DID FOR THE ECONOMY PRE- PANDEMIC IN THE LOCKDOWN THAT WE HAD TO IMPOSE. IT WAS AT RECORD LOW UNEMPLOYMENT THAT THE BORDER WAS THE MOST SECURE THAT IT HAD BEEN. IN THE MIDDLE EAST, YOU HAD -- TAKEN OFF THE BATTLEFIELD, THE HEAD OF ISIS TAKEN OFF THE BATTLEFIELD. AND LITERALLY, -- BEING ON THE WHITE HOUSE LAWN. A MILITARY THAT WAS ON THE ROAD OF REBUILDING. THOSE POLICIES THAT WERE WORKING, THE BORDER, THE ECONOMY, IT CONTRASTED WITH -- VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS IS GOING TO TAKE CREDIT

FOR THE BY THE POLICIES IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS. WHETHER THAT IS AFGHANISTAN, THE MIDDLE EAST, RECORD INFLATION, OR IF SHE WILL TRY TO LOOK FORWARD. I KIND OF LIKE THE NICKNAME CALIFORNIA KAMALA WHERE YOU SEE PROGRESSIVE POLICIES AND FIRST. THEY LOST A MEMBER OF CONGRESS FOR THE FIRST TIME IN CALIFORNIA'S HISTORY. I THINK YOU WILL SEE THAT POLICY CONTRAST. IT WILL BE BRIGHT AND CLEAR. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL SEE IT FOR WHAT IT IS. >> SERVING IN AFGHANISTAN, YOU SAW THAT LONG-AWAITED REPORT COME OUT JUST MONDAY. EITHER WAY, IT IS VERY NEW. WE'VE SEEN

DEMOCRATS AND WE'VE SEEN THE WHITE HOUSE CONDEMN IT AS PARTISAN. HOW MUCH DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT COMING UP TONIGHT FROM FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP? YOU ALLUDED TO THE FACT THAT YOU BELIEVE YOU WILL TRY TO LATCH, LAYERS TO JOE BIDEN POLICIES. >> YEAH, THERE HAS BEEN COMMENTARY ON THE TIMING OF THE REPORT. WE COULDN'T EVEN START ON THE INVESTIGATION UNTIL LAST YEAR. DEMOCRATS AROUND THE HOUSE IN 2021 AND 2022. THERE WAS NO INVESTIGATION LAUNCHED, NO SITDOWN INTERVIEWS. THERE WAS NOTHING. SILENCE. I THINK THE FAMILIES, THE VETERANS WHO SACRIFICED SO MUCH FOR THE NATION AFTER 20 YEARS

OF WAR AND BLOOD OVER IN AFGHANISTAN. JUST TO UNDERSTAND BETTER WHAT WENT WRONG. ALL OF THOSE FAMILIES ARE ASKING FOR THAT WE HONOR TODAY WITH THE CONGRESSIONAL GOLD MEDAL IS AN APOLOGY, AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT FROM BIDEN AND HARRIS THAT THINGS WENT WRONG, THAT PEOPLE WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE, AND THAT WE WILL LEARN LESSON SO THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN. INSTEAD, THEY HAVEN'T GOTTEN SO MUCH AS A PHONE CALL. I THINK THAT IS A REAL DISSERVICE TO THEM AND EVERYBODY INVOLVED. >> IT IS VERY LIKELY THAT THIS WAS INITIATED UNDER -- THERE IS A SENSE THAT SHE

MAY TRY TO PROVOKE HIM, ESSENTIALLY. IN A WAY TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THOSE MOMENTS. ALSO THIS IDEA OF AGE BEING A FACTOR IN A VERY DIFFERENT WAY THAN THAT LAST DEBATE AT THE END OF JUNE WITH PRESIDENT BIDEN. VOTERS SAID VERY CLEARLY THAT THEY HAD CONCERNS WITH THE PRESIDENTS AGE. NOW IT IS DONALD TRUMP WHO IS THE GENERATIONAL THE OLDEST CANDIDATE ON STAGE. IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO TURN THE PAGE. WHAT DO YOU THINK THE FORMER PRESIDENT WOULD DO TO TRY TO COMBAT THAT? >> Reporter: LET ME JUST ADDRESS THIS NOTION THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP STARTED THE

WITHDRAWAL. THAT IS ABSOLUTELY ACCURATE, BUT BOTH -- AND PRESIDENT OBAMA NEGOTIATED WITH THE TALIBAN. ADVISERS CAME TO HIM AND SAID THAT THEY HAD NOT LIVED UP TO 6 OF THE 7 TENETS OF THE AGREEMENT. AND HE SAID, FINE. DEALS OFF. HAD HE WITHDRAWN THEM, HE WOULD HAVE PULLED ALL OF OUR CIVILIAN ASSETS OUT. BIDEN AND HARRIS DID THE OPPOSITE. THEY PULLED THE MILITARY OUT, LEAVING AMERICANS AND ALLIES BEHIND. EITHER YOU ARE A VICE PRESIDENT THAT I GUESS WAS JUST A WALL POWER AND YOU WEREN'T AT THE TABLE, OR YOU WERE AT THE TABLE WEIGHING IN

ON THE POLICIES. WHICH IS IT? IT CAN BE BOTH. YOU CAN'T CHERRY PICK WITH POLICIES YOU ARE A PART OF IN WHICH YOU WANT TO RUN AWAY FROM. IF WE HAVE AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE SHE IS RUNNING AWAY FROM THE RECORD, AND PRESIDENT TRUMP IS OWNING HIS, I THINK THAT WILL BE A GOOD NIGHT FOR THE PRESIDENT. I'VE NEVER BEEN AROUND ANYONE WITH AS MUCH ENERGY AND A MOTOR LIKE PRESIDENT TRUMP'S. I DON'T THINK ANYONE CAN ACCUSE HIM OF BEING LOW-ENERGY. >> CONGRESSMAN MIKE WALTZ, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING WITH US LIVE. YOU HEARD TH

THE CONGRESSMAN IS WATCHING FOR. POLICY ISSUES WITH BOTH, HARRIS AND DONALD TRUMP MIGHT BRING UP. CAMPAIGN MANAGER FOR THE HARRIS- WALZ CAMPAIGN. IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU. >> YOU, TOO. >> LET ME GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND. I THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE HEARD SOME OF THAT CONVERSATION WITH THAT WE JUST SPOKE ABOUT WITH MIKE WALTZ. HOW IS THE VICE PRESIDENT PREPARED TO TAKE THIS ON IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT COMES UP TONIGHT? >> LOOK, I THINK THE VICE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN ENCOURAGED TO DO WHAT IS NEEDED TO DO. THAT IS WHAT THEY DID. IT'S

SOMETHING THAT IS DEEPLY PERSONAL TO HER. I THINK THAT WHAT AMERICANS ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO, WHO DONALD TRUMP IS AND WHAT HE TALKED ABOUT. LET ME TELL YOU WHAT THE VICE PRESIDENT HAS NEVER DONE. SHE HAS NEVER CAUGHT THE MEN AND WOMEN IN UNIFORM LOSERS. THE VICE PRESIDENT DOES NOT HAVE A LITANY OF PEOPLE, INCLUDING HER ECONOMIC ADVISER FOR FOREIGN POLICY ADVISER, HER FORMER VICE PRESIDENT, OR ANYONE WHO EVER WORKED FOR HER. SAYING THAT SHE WOULD BE A DANGER. DONALD TRUMP HAS ALL OF THOSE. THAT'S HOW HE REFERS TO MEN AND WOMEN. I THINK HER

RECORD IS RESPECTFUL TO OUR MEN AND WOMEN IN UNIFORM. I THINK DONALD TRUMP WILL OWE THE COUNTRY AND ITS NATION FOR HIS. >> CAN YOU TOUCH ON THE WORK SHE'S BEEN DOING HERE? HOW TODAY HAS GONE, HER MIND SET AS SHE HEADS IN. GIVE US A SENSE BEHIND-THE SCENES OF WHAT'S GOING ON. >> LOOK, SHE'S EXCITED. KNOWING THAT THIS IS DONALD TRUMP'S SEVENTH PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE, THIS WILL BE THE VICE PRESIDENT'S FIRST. BUT SHE HAS A VISION FOR THIS COUNTRY. MOST IMPORTANTLY, SHE KNOWS THIS IS ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THIS COUNTRY. MAKING SURE THAT SHE WILL

BE PREPARED TO SPEAK TO AMERICANS ABOUT THIS. LOWERING THE PRICE OF FOOD, INCLUDING GIVING AMERICANS A TAX CUT. 100 MILLION AMERICANS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, LOWERING THE COST OF HOUSING WITH PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP. SHE IS GOING TO GO UP AGAINST TRUMP, WHO HAS PROJECT 2025 WHAT HE WANTS TO USE TO TAKE THIS COUNTRY BACK. >> ARE YOU TAGGING HER THE UNDERDOG? IS SHE THE UNDERDOG IN THIS DEBATE YOU BELIEVE? >> LOOK, DONALD TRUMP IS A SHOWMAN. HE WILL GET ON STAGE AND LIE A LOT. THE VICE PRESIDENT WILL SPEAK DIRECTLY TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ABOUT HER VISION.

BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT, DONALD TRUMP IS THE ULTIMATE SHOWMAN. THE VICE PRESIDENT WILL COME PREPARED. SHE WILL WIN THIS DEBATE, BECAUSE SHE KNOWS WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. THE FUTURE OF THIS COUNTRY, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, PROTECTING DEMOCRACY. DONALD TRUMP WILL CONTINUE TO DOUBLE DOWN. >> YOU MENTIONED THAT DONALD TRUMP WILL GET UP THERE AND LIVE. WILL SHE BE FACT CHECKING HIM? >> SHE WILL BE DOING THAT WITH EVERY SINGLE ONE OF HER ANSWERS TONIGHT. UNFORTUNATELY, SHE KNOWS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE BETTER THAN THAT. SHE WOULD NOT FACT CHECK EVERY SINGLE THING, THE MODERATORS CAN

DO SOME OF THAT. THE VICE PRESIDENT IS SHOWING UP, READY TO PUT IN THE WORK. AGAIN, HER FOCUS WILL BE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, MAKING SURE SHE GETS HER POINT ACROSS ABOUT HER ADMINISTRATION AND HOW WILL IT. >> AS I'M TALKING TO THOSE IN THE TRUMP ORBIT, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY BRING UP IS THAT THEY WILL LOOK TO NOT ONLY TIE HER TO BIDEN POLICIES, BUT TO ALSO POINT OUT WAYS IN WHICH SHE SHIFTED TO MORE PROGRESSIVE STANCE TO WHERE SHE STANDS TODAY. HOW IS SHE PREPARED TO DEFEND HERSELF ON THOSE ATTACKS IF HE GOES

THERE? FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD SAY IT WOULD BE NICE IF TRUMP AND REPUBLICANS WHO ARE AGAINST HARRIS REALIZE WHO THEY ARE RUNNING AGAINST. IT IS VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS. SHE WILL BE HER OWN PRESIDENT WHEN SHE IS ELECTED. THAT IS WHAT THE FOCUS WILL BE. SHE WILL MAKE THOSE POSITIONS CLEAR TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. YOU CAN EXPECT DONALD TRUMP AND THE REPUBLICANS TO LIE ABOUT WHERE HER FOCUS IS. ON A LOT OF THESE ISSUES, DONALD TRUMP IS RESPONSIBLE FORE FREEDOM. WHEN HE LEFT OFFICE, AND WHEN HE CAME IN. IN THE VICE PRESIDENT WILL HOLD HIM

ACCOUNTABLE. AGAIN, SHE WILL SPEAK DIRECTLY TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ABOUT HER VISION IN THE FUTURE OF THIS COUNTRY. >> QUENTIN FULKS, THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US. THANK YOU. >> SO YOU HEARD FROM PEOPLE WHO BACK BOTH OF THESE CANDIDATES. AT A MOMENT WHEN THE STATE OF PLAY CAN BEST BE DESCRIBED AS SUPER CLOSE, WHICH OF COURSE IS A TECHNICAL TERM. STEVE KORNACKI KNOWS THAT. >> ABSOLUTELY. THIS IS THE AVERAGE OF THE NATIONAL POLLS RIGHT NOW. THEY ACTUALLY HAD DONALD TRUMP AHEAD. >> PEOPLE WOULD GO, WAIT A SECOND, THE NEW YORK POLL HAD A DIFFERENT

NUMBER. IT SPITS THIS OUT. >> EXACTLY. IT IS ANOTHER HIGHLY RESPECTED POLL. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ONES FLOATING AROUND. ONE OF THE BEST WAY TO GET THE TOTALITY, AVERAGING THEM TOGETHER. THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. >> OKAY. GET INTO A LITTLE BIT WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE IN THOSE BATTLEGROUND STATES. IT'S GOING TO COME DOWN TO WHAT HAPPENS IN PENNSYLVANIA, MICHIGAN AND GEORGIA. >> THAT'S RIGHT. DONALD TRUMP LOST THE POPULAR VOTE THE LAST TWO ELECTIONS, BUT HE HAD THE ADVANTAGE IN THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE. SEVEN CORE BATTLEGROUND STATES HERE. SIX OF THESE BY THE WAY

WERE BLUE STATES IN 2020. THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS A RED STATE IN 2020 WAS RIGHT HERE. NORTH CAROLINA. AGAIN, THE POLL AVERAGES, IT DOESN'T GET ANY CLOSER THAN THAT. YOU SEE HERE IS, VERY SLIGHTLY ABOVE TRUMP. THE OVERALL PICTURE YOU CAN SEE, JUST LOOK. IT'S RAZOR THIN IN THOSE STATES. THERE IS PLENTY OF ROOM FOR ERROR IN THE STORIES. >> EVEN THINK A LOT ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS, WHAT SOMETHING YOU HAVEN'T SAID ON TELEVISION THAT YOU THINK IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW. >> THAT'S OF THE UESTION. WE TALK SO MUCH ABOUT THEM. THERE IS

ALWAYS A QUESTION IF ONE OF THE CAMPAIGNS CAN PUT SOMETHING ELSE IN PLAY? REPUBLICANS WOULD LIKE TO TELL YOU VIRGINIA MADE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I'M NOT SURE HOW IT WILL ALL SHAKE OUT IN FLORIDA. IT WILL ALL BE INTERESTING TO ME BECAUSE THERE'S NO STATE IN THE COUNTRY WERE RE-GET MORE COMPLETE EARLY RESULT ON ELECTION NIGHT. THE 7:00 P.M. HOUR ON THE EAST COAST, WE WILL HAVE FOUR COUNTIES COMING IN FROM ALL ACROSS FLORIDA. EVEN IF THE STATE IS RED, AS WE EXPECT IT TO BE. >> WHAT'S HAPPENING FOR THE LATINO VOTE, LOOKING IN SOME

OF THESE COUNTIES. STEVE KORNACKI, YOU READY? >> I HAVE NO CHOICE. >> APPRECIATE IT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE PAST DEBATES HAVE BEEN, FOR VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, IT COULD BE A CRITICAL NIGHT IN HER POLITICAL ROUTER -- CAREER. SHE HAS THIS OPPORTUNITY TO TELL THE COUNTRY MORE ABOUT WHAT KIND OF PRESIDENT SHE WOULD BE, WHO SHE WOULD BE AS COMMANDER IN CHIEF. ON THE FLIPSIDE OF THING, FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP TIME TO -- TRYING TO RECOVER AFTER HE SAW HIS FIRST OPPONENT DROPOUT -- BEING GENERATED BY KAMALA HARRIS AT THE TOP OF THE TICKET. AND NOW

THE RACE, LOOKING A LOT LIKE IT DID IN JULY. I WANT TO BRING IN NBC NEWS CHIEF WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT ANDREA MITCHELL. THANK YOU BOTH FROM BEING WITH US. ANDREA, LET ME START WITH YOU. YOU'VE SEEN SOME OF THESE CLOSE RACES BEFORE. CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THE POLITICAL VIEW, AND WHY? >> THESE PEOPLE HAVEN'T EVEN MET -- >> SO THAT IS A BIG CHALLENGE FOR HER. AS TO HER ADVANTAGE, ACCORDING TO HIS PEOPLE AND THE HARRIS PEOPLE IF HE DOES UNLEASH THE ATTACKS. THE SHE HAS A BIG OPPORTUNITY TO DEFINE HERSELF. THE LATEST POLLS SHOW

THAT PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT HER POLICIES ARE. SHE HAS TO WALK THIS TIGHT ROPE BETWEEN OBSERVING AND RESPECTING THE LEGACY OF JOE BIDEN, NOT DISCOURAGING HIM, NOT BEING DISLOYAL. BUT MOVING ON, LOOKING FORWARD, DISTINGUISHING HERSELF. THAT WILL BE HARD TO DO WITHOUT BEING GLUED TO JOE BIDEN. SHE HASN'T DEFINED WHAT SHE WOULD DO, SPECIFIC POLICIES. THEY KNOW MORE ABOUT HER BECAUSE OF THE DNC, THOSE WHO SIDE. BUT THEY DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT SHE WOULD DO. >> SHERRY, LET ME TURN TO YOU. YOU HAVE FOLLOWED AND COVERED KAMALA HARRIS SINCE SHE WAS IN THESE LOCAL STATE

RACES IN CALIFORNIA. OF COURSE, 2010. THERE WERE SOME INTERESTING MOMENTS THERE WHERE SHE LET HER OPPONENTS AWKWARD MOMENT HANG WHEN HE WAS ASKED IF HE WOULD DOUBLE DIP, TAKE A SALARY IN HIS FEDERAL JOB, STATE JOB. SHE SAID, HEY, SHE LET HIM TALK HAPPENED AGAIN IN HER -- IN 2016. SHE LET THAT MOMENT HANG. SHE HAS EXPERIENCE ON DEBATE STAGES ON SMALLER STAGES. NOT A NATIONAL STAGE HERE. TALK ME THROUGH WHAT YOU WILL BE LOOKING FOR TONIGHT. FROM SOMEONE WHO HAS DONE ONE VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE IN THE LAST CYCLE. WHAT'S YOUR SENSE? >> Reporter: HAILLE,

BASICALLY WHAT I WILL BE LOOKING FOR TONIGHT IS FOR HARRIS TO MAKE HER POINT ON POLICIES, NOT TO GET CAUGHT UP IN ANY ATTACKS THAT TRUMP MY GET ON HER. AND FOR HIM, THE TEST WILL REALLY BE DOES HE FOCUS ON THE LINE OF ATTACK THAT WORK FOR HIM? THAT SHE IS TOO FORMAL LIBERAL, THAT HER POLICIES ARE BAD, TYING HER TO WHAT REPUBLICAN SEE AS THE URRENT ADMINISTRATION'S FAILED POLICIES. I IMAGINE THEY WILL BOTH COME OUT LOOKING PRETTY GOOD. I'M NOT SURE THAT HE WILL MANAGE TO STICK TO THAT. WHEN IT COMES TO HER,

SHE HAS MANAGED TO GET GOOD VIRAL MOMENTS WITH SPECIFIC ONE- LINERS. IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF SHE GETS ANY OF THOSE MOMENTS. AS I'M SURE YOU'VE MENTIONED, THE ISSUE OF THE HOT MIC'S IS SOMETHING THAT THE TEAM REALLY FOUGHT FOR. THAT COULD LEAD TO A PROBLEM IF SHE'S NOT ABLE TO GO THEM INTO LOSING HIS COOL, AND THEN SHOOT OFF A CUTE LITTLE ONE-LINER LIKE SHE NORMALLY DOES. >> TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE ISSUES HERE, TOO. ANDREA, I WANT TO ASK ABOUT THIS, TOO. ESPECIALLY WOMEN IN SOME OF THESE KEY BATTLEGROUND STATES. PENNSYLVANIA

IS ONE OF THEM, THINK ABORTION WILL BE ONE FOR THEM. IN SOME POLLING, MORE FOR THEM IN A LARGE MARGIN. WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE GENDER GAP IN THIS RACE. I THINK IT IS THE EXPECTATION OF MANY PEOPLE THAT KAMALA HARRIS WILL TRY TO GO ON OFFENSE OF THIS ISSUE. WHAT DOES SHE NEED TO DO TO MAKE THAT EFFECTIVE? >> Reporter: SHE NEEDS TO TIE HIM TO A LOT OF THE EXTREMIST POLICIES. SHE'S BEEN PRETTY EFFECTIVE. REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS IS ONE OF THE ISSUES SHE HAS WORKED ON THE LONGEST, STRONGEST ON. AS LONG AS SHE'S

ABLE TO TIE HIM TO EXTREMIST POLICIES, OR WHAT SHE WILL SAY IS EXTREMIST POLICIES, IN TERMS OF HOW MANY WEEKS YOU CAN GET AN ABORTION UNTIL, CAN YOU ACCESS CONTRACEPTIVES? THOSE WILL BE VERY KEY FOR HER. I WILL ALSO BE CURIOUS TO SEE HOW MUCH SHE TALKS ABOUT THE CARE ECONOMY. IT'S SOMETHING THAT HOLDS REALLY WELL WITH BOTH REPUBLICANS, DEMOCRATS, AND INDEPENDENTS. I'M LOOKING TO SEE IF SHE BRINGS THAT, AS WELL. >> YOU TALKED ABOUT ECONOMY, REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS. HOUSING COSTS, THAT IS LIKELY TO COME UP. IMMIGRATION, AS WELL. HIS CAMPAIGN, THE VIEWS THAT SHE HAS

WEAKNESS HERE. THEY SEE A POLITICAL LIABILITY IN HER HANDLING OF THE NORTHERN TRIANGLE, HOW SHE IS HANDLING SOME OF THE CAUSES OF THE CRISIS. HOW DOES SHE PREPARE FOR AN ATTACK LIKE THAT? >> THE BEST THING SHE COULD DO, THAT IS HER BIGGEST VULNERABILITY IN POLLING, IT'S EMIGRATION. BUT SUBSEQUENTLY, IT'S EMIGRATION. THE BEST THING SHE COULD SAY IS THAT THERE WOULD BE A BORDER BILL FROM THE CONSERVATIVE -- A BIPARTISAN BILL THAT DONALD TRUMP TANK. THAT WAS A BORDER ENFORCEMENT BILL, AS WELL AS FORMING A LOT OF THE PROCEDURES. I THINK THAT'S THE BEST SHE

CAN DO. THE CHANCE FROM THE BIPARTISAN ACTION ON IMMIGRATION. >> ANGELA MITCHELL, SHARON, GOOD TO SEE BOTH OF YOU. COME IN, ALLOW MORE COVERAGE OF THIS FIRST DEBATE RIGHT HERE ON NBC NEWS NOW. BY THE WAY, WHEN THAT DEBATE BEGINS IN JUST ABOUT 2 1/2 HOURS, YOU CAN WATCH IT EXACTLY HOW YOU ARE WATCHING NOW. ON TV, ONLINE, ON YOUR PHONE. IT WILL BE RIGHT HERE ON NBC AND NBC NEWS NOW. WE WILL HAVE MORE FROM PHILLY, AND WE WILL ALSO TAKE YOU DOWN SOUTH. MANY OF THEM ARE UNDER EVACUATION ORDERS IS A TROPICAL STORM

IS SET TO HIT AS A HURRICANE IN THE NEXT 24 HOURS. DON'T GO ANYWHERE. WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK. >>> NEWS LIVES IN THE NOW. IT'S COMING AT US EVERY SECOND. NEWS IS MORE NOW THAN EVER. >> JUST OUTSIDE OF THE ISRAELI MILITARY HEADQUARTERS. >> NOW IS RAW. >> THE TUNNELS JUST GO ON AND ON. >> WE GET TO SEE DEMOCRACY IN ACTION FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME IN THE 2020 OR RACE. >> THE FUTURE IS NOW. NEWS FOR THE GENERATION OF NOW IS NBC NEWS NOW. >>> IN MY NOTES, I CAN'T STOP LOOKING AT

MY TEXTS. THAT IS HOW QUICKLY THINGS ARE COMING IN AS WE GET CLOSER TO THE BAIT NIGHT. YOU KNOW ELSE IS GETTING CLOSER? A MESSAGE TROPICAL STORM, POTENTIALLY A HURRICANE TO MAKE LANDFALL. THEN NEW MASSIVE HURRICANE UPDATE JUST ABOUT 90 MINUTES AGO. BILL KARINS IS JOINING US NOW. PEOPLE IN LOUISIANA ARE ALREADY GETTING READY. THEY'VE GOT EVACUATION ORDERS IN PLACE. TALK US THROUGH IT. >> EVERY STORM IS DIFFERENT. LET ME GET INTO IT. FIRST OF ALL, HIS THE FORECAST. THE NUMBER ONE THING WE TYPICALLY TALK ABOUT A STORM SURGE. A CATEGORY 1 WE ARE EXPECTING,

WE WILL NOT HAVE A CRAZY STORM SURGE. THE AREA BETWEEN 5-10 FEET IS THE AREA OF MOST CONCERN. THAT LOOKS TO BE SOMEWHERE CLOSE TO MORGAN CITY. LET'S FOCUS ON THIS. HERE'S AN AWARD MEN'S AREA. LET'S ZOOM IN CLOSER. THERE IS WATER EVERYWHERE IN SOUTHERN LOUISIANA. THE MANY LAKES THAT ARE IN THIS AREA. A LOT OF SOUTHERN LOUISIANA AFTER KATRINA AND MASSIVE FLOODS, THEY INVESTED A TON OF MONEY IN THE LEVEE SYSTEM TO PROTECT A LOT OF THE COMMUNITIES. THEY ARE GOING TO GET POSSIBLY A 5-10 DOT STORM SURGE, BUT THE LEVEES HAVE BEEN BUILT

UP SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER. THE LEVY AND MORGAN CITY IS 20 FEET. THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. BUT THERE ARE OTHER SMALLER COMMUNITIES THAT DO NOT HAVE A LEVEE SYSTEM LIKE THAT. I JUST WANT TO SHOW YOU ONE HERE. THESE ARE THOSE THAT HAVE EVACUATED ALREADY. SO IS JUST SOMETHING TO WATCH AS WE GO THROUGH TOMORROW. WE EXPECT THIS TO BE A CATEGORY ONE, MAYBE CATEGORY TWO HURRICANE MAKING LANDFALL. >> WE KNOW WHERE YOU WILL BE THIS TIME TOMORROW, BACK HERE WITH US ON NBC. LET'S TAKE YOU BACK TO PHILADELPHIA. WE ARE GETTING CLOSER AND

CLOSER TO A DEBATE THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE A FACTOR FOR AT LEAST SOME VOTERS IN SEVEN KEY BATTLEGROUND DATES. BUT DO I NEED TO SAY IT AGAIN? IT IS CLOSE, FOLKS. ONE OF THEM, THEY ARE IN MICHIGAN. THAT IS WELL INSIDE THE MARGIN. WHEN YOU ARE TALKING WITH PEOPLE OUT THERE, DO THEY CARE? HAD THEY DECIDED ON A CANDIDATE YET? WALK US THROUGH IT. >> YEAH. I WAS ACTUALLY SURPRISED TO HEAR THE AMOUNT THAT THEY DO PLAN ON WATCHING, OR AT LEAST COMING UP WITH THE HIGHLIGHTS AFTERWARDS. AND THAT'S ESPECIALLY THE CASE AMONG THOSE UNDECIDED

VOTERS. AT LEAST PEOPLE WHO ARE TORN, STRUGGLING TO MAKE THAT DECISION. SPECIFICALLY WHERE YOU THOUGHT YOU SAW TRUMP -- WHERE TRUMP WON IN 2016, BUT IT WAS FLIPPED IN 2020. I WANT TO THE FARMERS MARKET AND JUST AS PEOPLE, ARE YOU PLANNING ON WATCHING THE DEBATE? HERE ARE SOME OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS. >> WHAT ARE THOSE ISSUES YOU WANT TO HEAR? >> I WANT TO HEAR ABOUT HEALTHCARE, ABOUT THE ECONOMY. AND JUST THAT SHE'S GOING TO BRING A BROAD PERSPECTIVE. >> I JUST WANT TO KNOW -- >> YOU VOTED FOR TRUMP IN THE PAST, BUT IT

SOUNDS LIKE VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS HAS THE ABILITY TO WIN YOUR VOTE. >> YES. I WANT TO FEEL LIKE SHE WOULD BE A GOOD LEADER. >> Reporter: YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A PATTERN I FOUND IN MY CONVERSATIONS, NO MATTER WHO THEY SAID THEY WERE SUPPORTING. A LOT OF EYES ARE ON THE VICE PRESIDENT. THEY WANT TO HEAR MORE FROM HER. FOR DONALD TRUMP, A LOT OF IT, THEY JUST WANT HIM TO BEHAVE, ESSENTIALLY. WE WILL SEE IF WE GET THAT LATER THIS EVENING, HAILLE. >> IS IN ITS UPRISING. WHAT SURPRISED YOU TO MOST -- THE MOST?

I'M CURIOUS. >> Reporter: I THINK THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE UNDECIDED STILL. IT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE THINGS HAVE CHANGED UP HERE A LITTLE BIT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TOP OF THE TICKET. MANY PEOPLE SAID THAT TODAY, IT'S NOT JUST THE ECONOMY ITSELF, BUT IT'S ABOUT TEMPERAMENT. HOW THEY GET THEIR INFORMATION. IT'S NOT CLEAR THAT THIS WILL BE THE ULTIMATE FACTOR, BUT IT'S REALLY THE TALK AFTERWARDS. >> SHOPPERS THERE, THANK YOU OUT THERE. MORE TO COME. WHEN WE COME BACK, MORE TO COME FROM US, AS WELL. THEY ARE TELLING US WHAT THEY

THINK ABOUT THE STRATEGIES AND WHAT THEY ARE DOING FROM BEHIND THE SCENES. THAT'S NEXT. >>> DEMOCRACY IS HAPPENING NOW. >> PEOPLE WERE ON THEIR FEET. THEY ARE FIRED UP HERE. >> THE ONLY VOICE THAT MATTERS IS THE VOICE OF THE VOTERS. >> TO THE VERY LATEST ON THE 2024 ELECTION. YOUR TRUSTED SOURCE FOR THE LATEST BREAKING NEWS, ANALOGY, ON THE GROUND REPORTING, DOWNLOAD THE NBC NEWS APP NOW. >>> FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP IS NOW ON THE GROUND IN PHILADELPHIA. 2 1/2 HOURS AWAY FROM THAT DEBATE. VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS, THAT'S OF COURSE WHERE WE ARE

IN LIVE COVERAGE TONIGHT IN THE GREAT CITY OF PHILADELPHIA IN THIS CRITICAL BATTLEGROUND OF PENNSYLVANIA. LET ME BRING IN A COUPLE OF FORKS -- FOLKS. VICE PRESIDENTS FORMER SPOKESPERSON. I WILL GO TO YOUR -- TO YOU FIRST. PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT HER. RIGHT? THEY ARE SAYING THAT ABOUT 3 IN 10 AMERICANS, THEY NEED TO LEARN MORE ABOUT WHO SHE IS. CHRIS CHRISTIE, SAYING HE IS NOT VOTING FOR DONALD TRUMP. HE SAYS I DON'T HAVE MUCH OF AN OPINION ABOUT VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS NOW. HE SAYS, IF SHE IS AN UNKNOWN COUNTY TO ME, YOU

CAN BET SHE IS KNOWN THAT'S UNKNOWN TO MANY AMERICANS. >> HE KNOWS HER NAME, RIGHT? BUT NOT A LOT ABOUT HER. A NUMBER OF PEOPLE UNDERESTIMATED THE VICE PRESIDENT. I THINK THAT SOME WERE ACTUALLY QUITE DISMISSIVE OF HER. AND NOW THAT SHE'S AT THE TOP OF THE TICKET AND LITERALLY COULD BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PRESIDENCY, AND FOR FOLKS KEEPING THE SENATE AND INNING BACK THE HOUSE, IT'S LIKE, OH, MAYBE I SHOULD LEARN MORE ABOUT HER. LOOK, WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THE POLLS, WHEN THEY ARE SAYING THEY DON'T KNOW A LOT A LOT ABOUT HER,

THEY WANT TO UNDERSTAND HER VALUES PEOPLE FEEL THEY UNDERSTAND DONALD TRUMP'S VALUES. THEY HAD DECLINED TO ELECT THEM ON EVERY BALLOT HE'S BEEN ON SINCE HE WON IN 2016. THE MONEY VOTERS THAT YOU KNOW WHO DONALD TRUMP IS. AND YOU KNOW WHAT HE COMES WITH. AND PEOPLE WHO REMEMBER THAT, THERE ACTUALLY LIKE, YEAH. SHE NEEDS TO ALSO TALK ABOUT NOT JUST THAT SHE WAS A PROSECUTOR, SHE TOOK ON THE CARTELS. YEAH, SHE HAS TO WEAVE IN HER PROFESSIONAL BIO, BUT HER PERSONAL BIO, AS WELL. >> MAYBE IT'S NOT THAT DEEP, MAYBE PEOPLE WILL TURN IT

ON A MAKE THIS DECISION. >> THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE SITTING IN THE STRATEGY SEATS -- YOU HAVE TO TALK TO THE REGULAR PEOPLE. THEY CARE ABOUT THE POLICY. THEY ALSO SAY I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT HER. AND THAT HAS TRANSLATED TO I DON'T KNOW WHO SHE IS. THOSE ARE HER VALUES. DONALD TRUMP IS ATTACKING HER, SAYING SHE'S NOT REALLY BLACK. SAYING ALL THESE THINGS ABOUT HER. WHAT ARE HER VALUES? I UNDERSTAND SHE'S AN ACCOMPLISHED OF THE BENEFICIAL. I UNDERSTAND SHE'S THE VICE PRESIDENT, BUT I WANT TO LEARN MORE ABOUT HER. WHEN SHE TALKS ABOUT HER

RECORD, SHE ALSO HAS TO TALK ABOUT HER MIDDLE-CLASS UPBRINGING. SHE TOOK ON THE BIG BANKS BECAUSE SHE WATCHED HER MOM. SHE THOUGHT OF HER MOTHER IN THAT MOMENT. >> WITH ALL OF THIS SAID, WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE? SOMEBODY WHO HAS -- WHAT IS FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP'S BIGGEST LIABILITY? >> WELL, I THINK THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE, HE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT HE ALSO DEFINES KAMALA HARRIS. THERE IS A QUARTER OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO SAY THEY DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT HER. THEN THEY NEED TO KNOW ABOUT SOME OF HER RADICAL POSITIONS LIKE DECRIMINALIZING DRUGS, DEFUNDING THE

POLICE. WE ARE EVEN FINDING OUT ABOUT A 2019 SURVEY WHERE SHE TALKED ABOUT TAXPAYER-FUNDED TRANSITION SURGERIES FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. A LOT OF THESE ILLEGAL POSITIONS IN THE PAST, DENISE TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESS HER ON. AND IF SHE TRIES TO WALK BACK, WHAT I THOUGHT YOU SAID YOUR VALUES HAVEN'T CHANGED? THAN ON THE SECOND SIDE OF IT, HE NEEDS TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT NONE OF THE REST OF THE STUFF MATTERS. THE BORDER IS WIDE OPEN. KAMALA WAS THE TIE-BREAKING VOTE ON THE INFLATION AT AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN. THEY OPENED THE BORDER. THINGS WERE CHEAPER AND

THINGS WERE SAFER WHEN HE WAS IN THE WHITE HOUSE. >> YOU TALK ABOUT POLITICAL LIABILITY HERE. YOU SAID A LOT ABOUT VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS. I WANT TO ASK ABOUT REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS. IT WILL BE AN ISSUE ON THE BALLOT IN 10-12 STATES IN NOVEMBER. MORE THAN HALF THE VOTERS THERE WANT TO SEE HIM WIN IN THAT STATE, YET WITH A VALID INITIATIVE, MORE THAN HALF OF THE VOTERS WANT TO SEE PROTECTIONS REINSTATED FOR REPRODUCTION RIGHTS. IT GOES TO THE CHALLENGE THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS HERE. HOW DOES HE HANDLE THAT TONIGHT? AND DO YOU SEE THAT IS

A VULNERABILITY, AS WELL? >> I THINK IT CAN BE AN ASSET IF HE LEANS INTO THE FACT THAT THIS IS DEMOCRACY. HE HAS SAID THAT HE THOUGHT SOME STATES WENT TOO FAR. AND THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO FIND SOME COMMON GROUND, SOME MIDDLE GROUND. WE ARE SEEING THAT PLAY OUT. THAT'S THE THING THAT I THINK YOU CAN SAY FOR DECADES. INCLUDING THE JUSTICE. EVEN THOUGH SHE SUPPORTED THE POLICY, THIS LETS LAWMAKERS, LEGISLATORS MAKE THESE DECISIONS, AND LET THE VOTERS HAVE THEIR SAY. HE SAYS WHERE HE THINKS THINGS ARE TOO FAR, AND WHERE THEY ARE NOT

FAR ENOUGH. I THINK IT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT HARRIS WOULD HAVE TO DO IN THE STATE. SHE CAN'T FACT CHECK IN HIM AND WALKING DOWN EVERY STATEMENT. DO NOT SUPPORT THE POSITIVE EDUCATION? SHE HAS TO GO DOWN THE LIST. BECAUSE I DO THINK THE FORMER PRESIDENT HAS GOTTEN AWAY WITH THESE BROAD STATEMENTS THAT ARE NOT ANCHORED TO ANY OF THE FACTS, IF YOU WILL. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS IS ONLY THE BEGINNING OF MANY OF OUR CONVERSATIONS. INCLUDING HOW THEY PLAN TO ADDRESS THE ECONOMY. STAY WITH US. >>> THE FIRE HAS GROWN LEAPS

AND BOUNDS. HOW ARE YOU DOING? >> PRETTY, PRETTY BAD. >> TOP STORY, LIVE FROM PARIS. WE ARE HERE IN BUTLER, PENNSYLVANIA. MAKE EVERY WEEKNIGHT, IT'S YOUR NEWS PLAYLIST. TOP STORY WITH TOM LLAMAS STREAMING WEEK THAT'S A 7:00 ON NBC NEWS NOW. >>> KRISTEN WELKER HOSTS MEET THE PRESS EVERY SUNDAY ON NBC. >>> SO HERE WE ARE. JUST ABOUT TWO HOURS AND CHANGE AWAY FROM THE DEBATE. IN THIS ERA BETWEEN DONALD TRUMP AND KAMALA HARRIS. WITH THE FORMER PRESIDENT LANDING IN THE GREAT CITY OF PHILADELPHIA, YOU SEE IT THERE. HAVE WE SEEN HIM WALK OUT YET?

>> I THINK WE ARE STILL WAITING. WE WILL SEE IF HE WALKS OVER TO THE CAMERAS, IF HE DOES ANYTHING. THIS IS IN THE RUN-UP TO THE DEBATE. IN PITTSBURGH, THAT'S WHERE SHE HUNKERED DOWN TO PREP. THEY LOOK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY'VE BEEN HANDLING THESE THINGS. AND THAT IS THE ECONOMY. YOU KNOW WHY? THIS MATTERS TO THEM. YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE NUMBERS HERE. THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE, THE ECONOMY HERE. A POLITICAL ADVISER, FORMER CHIEF OF STAFF. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. BEFORE WE GET TO THE ECONOMY, YOU ARE

THE LAST PERSON TO DEBATE, HARRIS. HOW DID YOU PREPARE FOR THAT? >> WE DID 390 MINUTE SESSIONS. HE IS VERY MUCH DEEP INTO THE POLICY. AND I THINK THE PREPARATION PREPARED HIM WELL. >> WHAT MADE HIM NERVOUS? WHAT MADE YOU NERVOUS ABOUT GOING UP AGAINST SENATOR HARRIS? BE HONEST, BE REAL. YOU CAN TELL ME THE REAL DEAL. >> I THINK YOU'VE SEEN AS A SENATOR, SHE HAD PLENTY OF HEARINGS WHERE SHE PUT WITNESSES IN DIFFICULT PLACES. I THINK DEBATING MINORITY FEMALE, BEING ABLE TO SAY, HEY, I'M TALKING NOW. I THINK THAT'S HOW FAR IT GOES

IN TERMS OF BEING CRITICAL. >> I WOULD IMAGINE SO, YEAH. I WOULD THINK SO. >> FORGIVE ME, MARK. I'M GOING TO PIVOT TO THIS FOR SECOND. THESE ARE THE FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND HIM HELPING HIM GET READY. HE'S BEEN DOING -- >> I THINK THEY HAVE BUILT-UP EXPECTATIONS, RIGHT? YOU THE CAMPAIGN SAY WE'VE BEEN HUNKERED DOWN IN PITTSBURGH ALL WEEK. AND HE'S AKING IT MORE SERIOUS THIS TIME. I THINK THEY BOTH RAISE EXPECTATIONS. >> WHAT ARE YOU WATCHING FOR? >> I THINK IF YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A DEBATE ON THE POLICIES, HARRIS HAS MORE VULNERABILITIES.

THEY ARE UNHAPPY WITH INFLATION. I THINK TRUMP CAN PROSECUTE THAT. BUT THE QUESTION IS, WILL HE? IF HE ACTUALLY STICKS THE POLICY, I THINK THAT WOULD BE IN HIS FAVOR. >> IS THERE A DIFFERENT ONE? >> WELL, WAIT A SECOND. SAME GUY, RIGHT? LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT. >> TWO THINGS CAN BE TRUE. HE ALSO HAS THE ABILITY, AS YOU SAW IN JUNE, TO LET AN OPPONENT UNRAVELED HIMSELF. I DON'T DISAGREE. >> I THINK HE IS FAR SMARTER THAN PEOPLE ANTICIPATE. I THINK HE IS ALSO AN ENTERTAINER. HE DOESN'T REALLY GET DEEP INTO THE POLICY. AND

REALLY, I THINK THAT PROBABLY HELPS THEM. HE WOULD BE PLAYING TO THE AUDIENCE. >> BEFORE I DO, MARK, DO YOU THINK YOU ARE JUST ANOTHER TRUMPER NOW? ARE YOU GOING TO VOTE FOR HIM? >> I THINK ANYBODY WHO PUTS THEMSELVES IN FRONT OF THE CONSTITUTION AS CONSERVATIVES -- >> I DON'T WANT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. BUT THERE HE IS RIGHT THERE. HE'S GETTING READY. JUST TWO HOURS AWAY FROM HIS FIRST -- SHE'S TWO HOURS AWAY FROM HER FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE. I ASKED IF YOU PLAN TO BACK HIM, BECAUSE LIZ CHENEY DOES NOT, FOR

EXAMPLE. CHENEY DOES NOT. I KNOW YOU WILL MAYBE ROLL YOUR EYES ON SOME OF THEM. >> I DON'T PUT MYSELF IN THEIR CAMP. >> OKAY. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT MODERATE REPUBLICANS. CLAIMING ELECTRIC FRAUD -- ELECTION FRAUD, LIES ABOUT ELECTION FRAUD. THEY DON'T HAVE INTEREST IN VOTING FOR DONALD TRUMP. THESE ARE MOST LIKELY MODERATE COLLEGE SWING VOTING DADS THAT ARE PROBABLY UP FOR GRABS. IF THERE ARE ANY MEN THAT THERE ARE TO WIN FOR DONALD TRUMP, THAT WOULD BE THE GROUP. THEY ARE PROBABLY LIKE HE -- LIKELY NIKKI HALEY VOTERS. I THINK THAT GOES A

LONG WAY FOR HER. AS MANY PEOPLE AS SHE CAN GET, GIVING CREDIBILITY, THAT HELPS HER. SHE CAN'T BE SEEN. ANY OF THOSE CONSERVATIVES VOUCHING FOR HER, THAT'S A GOOD THING. >> MR. TRUMP THERE PULLING OFF, LANDING IN PHILLY. HE WILL GET READY JUST TWO HOURS FROM NOW. THIS IS A LIVE SHOT ON THE TARMAC IN PHILLY. I CAN'T HELP BUT NOTICE THE SMIRK. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SHARE WITH THE CLASS? >> I DON'T THINK THE ENDORSEMENT MATTER TOO MANY PEOPLE. TRUMP IS BASICALLY A KNOWN COMMODITY. I THINK THERE'S A LOT MORE TO GAIN AND A

LOT MORE TO LOSE FROM KAMALA HARRIS TONIGHT. >> MARK SHORT, FORGIVE ME. WE BLOWN THROUGH ALL OF OUR BREAKS. WE ARE TRYING TO GET VAUGHN HILLYARD OVER HERE TO THE TABLE AND SNEAK YOU OFF IN A GRACEFUL MANNER. >> I CAN EXIT GRACEFULLY. >> THANK YOU, MARK. HANG ON, WE CAN DO THIS. WE TALK ABOUT FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP. WE KNOW HE'S THERE. WHAT ARE THE ISSUES THAT HAVE COME UP? OVER PREPPING. WE'VE HEARD SOME FOLKS ON THE TRUMP SIDE. HE LIKES TO BE -- >> THEY WILL BE THE CONCERN THAT ANY CANDIDATE IS SEEN AND

AUTHENTIC. YOU WANT TO SEEM SINCERE. >> THERE IS LIKE A NEXUS TO TV. WHAT DO WE SAY EVERY DAY? BE A NORMAL PERSON. THAT'S IT. IT'S HARD TO DO WHEN YOU ARE IN FRONT OF A BIG AUDIENCE. >> THIS IS LIKE THE BIGGEST MOMENT OF HER LIFE. THAT IS SO LOW STAKES TO THIS. SHE WAS SITTING. NOW SHE WILL PROBABLY BE IN THE HIGHEST SALES, BECAUSE SHE IS 54 -- 5'4". THAT'S PROBABLY PART OF THE REASON THEY WILL NOT BE SHAKING HANDS. >> RIGHT. THAT WENT AWAY IN COVID. >> YOU JUST WANT TO SEEM COOL.

AND IF SHE WILL TRY TO WIN OVER VOTERS, SHE CAN'T SEEM LIKE SHE'S BEEN REHEARSED. SHE HAS TO SEEM AUTHENTIC. >> ONE OF MY FAVORITE PEOPLE, VAUGHN HILLYARD, HAS JOINED US NOW. IT IS SUBSTANCE, IT IS STYLE. TALKING ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON'S DEBATE PREPAREDNESS. PRACTICING THESE GREETINGS, GOING IN FOR AN AWKWARD HUG. THEY RAN THROUGH VARIOUS SCENARIOS ON HOW THAT MOMENT WOULD GO DOWN. THESE TONE SETTERS COULD MATTER FOR HOW THIS DEBATE UNFOLDS. >> RIGHT. IN 2019, I WAS COVERING KAMALA HARRIS DAY TODAY. >> WE WERE COVERING THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN SINCE 2015. I WENT ACROSS IOWA,

NEW HAMPSHIRE WITH HER. THE PART ABOUT KAMALA HARRIS, SHE HAD BEEN PREPARING TO DEBATE DONALD TRUMP EVER SINCE 2019 IN FRONT OF HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE. SHE WOULD BE THE ONE TO PROSECUTE THE CASE AGAINST HIM ON THE DEBATE STAGE. SHE SAID SHE WOULD GO TOE TO TOE WITH HIM. EVERYWHERE SHE WENT, THAT WAS HER MESSAGE. SHE DIDN'T HAVE THE BIOGRAPHY, OR THE HISTORY OF BERNIE SANDERS, OR JOE BIDEN. THEY THOUGHT THAT SHE COULD SEPARATE A DEMOCRATIC PARTY FROM DONALD TRUMP AS AN ENTITY. THIS IS HER MOMENT WHEN SHE VISUALIZED ON CAMPAIGN STAGE AFTER

CAMPAIGN STAGE. >> SO YOU ARE SAYING SHE MANIFESTED IT? >> SHE MANIFESTED IT. >> OKAY, SO FOR BOTH OF YOU NOW THAT WE GET CLOSER TO THE TWO HOUR MARK BEFORE THIS DEBATE BEGINS. WE'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR HOW LONG? AND WHAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVEN'T SAID ON TELEVISION? >> I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS THE OTHER DAY. WHEN KAMALA HARRIS ANNOUNCED SHE WAS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT, AND IT WAS SO OVERWHELMING. THE CROWD WAS OVERWHELMING. SHE HAD A GREAT SHOWING, RIGHT? IT WAS MUCH LIKE THE ROLLOUT. >> YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IN 2019? >> THEY

WERE SAYING, OH MY GOD, WE ARE TERRIFIED OF THAT WOMAN. THAT WOULD BE THEIR WORST FIELD -- FEAR. HEAR IN THE POLLS. SHE WAS JUST COMING OUT AND I THINK SHE WAS REALLY IN HER MOMENT AND PEOPLE WERE GIVING HER A LOOK AND, YEAH, THEY WERE TERRIFIED ABOUT HOW HE WOULD REACT TO HER, SO IT'S AMAZING, I THINK BACK TO THIS AND I THOUGHT ABOUT IT THIS MORNING, IT'S LIKE LET'S SEE HOW IT WORKS OUT. >> TO THAT POINT, THIS IS LIKE IN A LONG CONVERSATION HOW MUCH DO YOU FOCUS ON DONALD TRUMP, RIGHT? BACK

IN 2019, THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS FOR DEMOCRATS THIS TIME. HOW MUCH YOU FOCUS ON DONALD TRUMP VERSUS FOCUSING ON THE FUTURE AND POLICY AND HOW YOU CAN MAKE PEOPLE'S LIVES BETTER. KAMALA HARRIS WAS SOMEBODY WHO NEVER SHIED AWAY FROM TALKING ABOUT DONALD TRUMP DIRECTLY AND THAT PLAYED INTO THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION'S FEARS OF THE TIME THAT THEY MAY HAVE TO TAKE HER ON. >> SO GOOD TO HAVE YOU BOTH. WHAT A GREAT CONVERSATION. IT'S GOING TO BE A FASCINATING NIGHT AND WE HAVE EVERY MINUTE OF IT COVERED HERE ON NBC NEWS NOW. MORE COVERAGE PICKING

UP RIGHT NOW. >>> TONIGHT A HISTORIC AND HIGHLY ANTICIPATED MATCHUP, JUST HOURS AWAY. >> SHE'S NOT A GOOD DEBATER, SHE'S NOT A SMART PERSON. >> IF YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING TO SAY, SAY IT TO MY FACE. >> FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP AND VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS COMING FACE-TO-FACE FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, PREPARING TO BATTLE IT OUT ON THE DEBATE STAGE. THE FORMER PRESIDENT HOPING TO DERAIL HARRIS'S MOMENTUM. WILL HE RESORT TO PERSONAL ATTACKS ? >> IT'S PRETTY CLEAR -- >> Reporter: OR DELIVER ANOTHER KNOCKOUT PUNCH. >> I DON'T THINK HE KNOWS WHAT HE SAID EITHER.

>> WILL SHE BE ABLE TO CLEARLY DEFINE HERSELF AND HER POLICY WHILE GOING ON THE OFFENSE AGAINST TRUMP? >> DONALD TRUMP DOES NOT CARE ABOUT ORDER SECURITY. HE ONLY CARES ABOUT HIMSELF. >> THE TWO WILL FACE-OFF OVER KEY ISSUES INCLUDING THE ECONOMY, ABORTION RIGHTS, IMMIGRATION, AND TWO WARS OVERSEE. WITH MILLIONS WATCHING, HOW WILL THE CANDIDATES TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO APPEAL TO UNDECIDED VOTERS? >> COMRADE HARRIS, YOU ARE FIRED, GET OUT OF HERE. >> AN EXTREMELY TIGHT RACE. THIS HIGH-STAKES MOMENT COULDN'T COME AT A MORE CRITICAL TIME. >> WE HAVE A MESSAGE FOR TRUMP, WE ARE

NOT GOING BACK . >> COULD THIS DEBATE SHIFT THE STATE OF THE WHITE HOUSE ONCE AGAIN? >> NBC NEWS COUNTDOWN TO THE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE, LEIVA, FROM PHILADELPHIA, HERE IS TOM LLAMAS. >> GOOD EVENING. >>> IN LESS THAN TWO HOURS, MILLIONS WILL SEE VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS AND FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP GO HEAD TO HEAD. WE ARE LIVE FROM THE SPIN ROOM A FEW BLOCKS AWAY FROM THE DEBATE HALL. SURROGATES FROM BOTH SIDES MAKING THEIR CASE OF WHO WON THE SHOWDOWN. EVERYONE TAKE ALIVE LOOK AT THE DEBATE HALL RIGHT NOW. THIS IS WHERE THAT SHOWDOWN IS GOING

TO TAKE PLACE. THIS IS THE SPIN ROOM. I WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT EARLIER. THE STAGE IS SET ON THE COUNTDOWN IS ON. FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP AND VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS WILL STAND BEHIND THE PODIUM. THAT'S ALIVE LOOK AT THE SET OF WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN AND WHERE THE DEBATE IS GOING TO TAKE LACE. THE TWO PODIUM SIDE BY SIDE. FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP WON THE VIRTUAL COIN TOSS AND DECIDED ON HAVING THE FINAL WORD. THAT MEANS VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS -- SHE WILL APPEAR ON THE RIGHT AND TRUMP ON THE LEFT. HERE ARE THE GROUND RULES FOR

THE DEBATE. THE DEBATE WILL BE 90 MINUTES WITH TWO COMMERCIAL BREAKS. NO LIVE AUDIENCE. MICROPHONES WILL BE MUTED WHEN A CANDIDATE IS NOT TALKING. NO NOTES WILL BE ALLOWED AND CAMPAIGN STAFF CANNOT INTERACT WITH THE CANDIDATES. THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE RULES. THERE'S A LOT ON THE LINE TONIGHT IN WHAT COULD BE THE MOST-WATCHED MOMENT WITH JUST 55 DAYS TO GO UNTIL THE ELECTION. POLLING SHOWS THE TWO LOCKED IN A DEAD HEAT. THESE RESULTS FALLING WITHIN A MARGIN OF ERROR. WE ARE ALSO TRACKING ANOTHER BREAKING STORY THIS HOUR. TROPICAL STORM FRANCINE BARRELING TOWARD THE

GULF COAST AND EXPECTED TO INTENSIFY INTO A HURRICANE. THE OUTER BANDS ALREADY LASHING AT THE COASTLINE WITH THE REGION BRACING FOR LIFE- THREATENING STORM SURGE, FLASH FLOODING AND DESTRUCTIVE WINDS. LET'S GO BACK TO METEOROLOGIST BILL KARINS. WALK US THROUGH WHAT WE CAN EXPECT AND THE LATEST ON THE STORM. >> Reporter: 24 HOURS FROM NOW WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THE LANDFALL OF THE STORM, SOMEWHERE IN LOUISIANA, SOUTH OF NEW ORLEANS. A COUPLE THINGS CHANGED TODAY. FIRST OFF THE STORM DID NOT GET AS STRONG AS ANTICIPATED. IT TRIED AND SUCKED IN SOME DRY AIR AND THAT'S

WHY IT'S STILL A TROPICAL STORM. IT SHOULD BECOME A HURRICANE LATE TOMORROW MORNING. RIGHT NOW 65-MILE-PER-HOUR WINDS. THE HURRICANE CENTER HAS A STRONG CATEGORY ONE MAY BE LOW RANKED CATEGORY TWO AND LANDFALL WILL BE SOMETIME LIKELY AROUND 5:00 TO 9:00 P.M. LOCAL TIME HERE IN SOUTHERN LOUISIANA. THE BLACK LINE IS THE HURRICANE FORECAST BUT NOTICE A LOT OF THE LINES TO THE RIGHT OF THAT. ALL OF A SUDDEN WE ARE GETTING CLOSER TO NEW ORLEANS HERE SO IN BETWEEN BATON ROUGE AND NEW ORLEANS, A HEAVILY POPULATED AREA WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE CORE OF

THE STORM WHICH WILL MEAN A LOT OF POWER OUTAGES GUARANTEED, NO MATTER WHAT PATH THE STORM TAKES. MAX WIND GUSTS BETWEEN 60, 70, 80 MILES PER HOUR. WITH ALL THE RAIN IT POURED AGAIN TODAY, IMPORT LAST WEEK AND NOW WE GET AN ADDITIONAL THREE TO EIGHT INCHES IN THIS AREA, MAY BE A FOOT ISOLATED. RIVER FLOODING AND FLASH FLOODING ISSUES AND OF COURSE THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH ALL THESE STORMS, WE GET STORM SURGE ISSUES TOO. FIVE TO 10 FEET. THE BIG WILDCARD, HOW STRONG CAN THE STORM GET IN THE NEXT 24 HOURS OVER THE WARM

WATERS OF THE NORTHERN GULF? >> I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU ABOUT THAT GROUND IN LOUISIANA. AS YOU SAID, IT IS SATURATED RIGHT NOW WHICH IS WORST CASE SCENARIO FOR THEM. THE GOOD NEWS IS THIS IS NOT ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL HURRICANES TO HIT NEW ORLEANS. SOMETIMES PEOPLE CAN BE TAKEN BY SURPRISE BY THESE HURRICANES. HOW MUCH TIME DID EMERGENCY RESPONDERS AND METEOROLOGISTS HAVE TO TRACK THIS HURRICANE AS IT COMES INTO THE GULF COAST? >> THIS IS NOT A STORM IN THE ATLANTIC THAT TOOK SEVEN DAYS TO GET HERE AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT

FOREVER. IT JUST FORMED TWO DAYS AGO IN THE GULF. EMERGENCY MANAGERS DON'T GET AS MUCH PREP TIME AS THEY WOULD LIKE BUT THAT IS OUR REALITY FOR THE EASTERN UNITED STATES. THESE STORMS CONFORM RIGHT ALONG THE COAST. 48 HOURS HOPEFULLY ENOUGH TIME ESPECIALLY SINCE THIS ONE IS NOT GOING TO BE A MAJOR HURRICANE . >> ALL RIGHT, BILL KARINS, THANK YOU. WE ARE WATCHING TWO STORIES, THE HURRICANE FORMING IN THE GULF AND THE DEBATE. WITH FRANCINE IN LOUISIANA, WE TURN NOW TO JESSE KIRSCH WHO IS TRACKING THE STORM FOR US TONIGHT. PEOPLE IN SOUTHERN LOUISIANA

ARE VERY USED TO STORM SYSTEMS. THEY GET HIT BY STORMS ALL SUMMER. ARE THEY TAKING THIS ONE SERIOUSLY? >> NO QUESTION THEY ARE. WE SAW PEOPLE LINING UP IN THEIR CARS AROUND THE BLOCK AT CITY SANDBAG DISTRIBUTION EARLIER TODAY AND TAKING BAGS. THE LACK OF TIME TO BE ABLE TO PREPARE HERE COMPARED TO OTHERS AND HOW QUICKLY THIS THING IS DEVELOPING AND GETTING TO SHORE. SOMEONE FROM THE CITY COUNCIL TOLD ME CITY SANDBAG DISTRIBUTION BEGAN TODAY. TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA WE ARE TALKING ABOUT LANDFALL SOMETIME LATE TOMORROW. THAT JUST SPEAKS TO THE SHORT TIMEFRAME

FROM THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE STORMS TO GETTING PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO BE PREPARED HERE. I SPOKE TO SOMEONE COLLECTING SANDBAGS FOR THEIR FAMILY AND SAID THEY WILL HAVE TO HUNKER DOWN FOR HURRICANE HARDY IS HOW THEY PUT IT. THAT'S WHAT OFFICIALS WANT PEOPLE TO DO IS STAY INDOORS. FINISH THEIR PREPARATIONS AHEAD OF THE STORMS TONIGHT, TOM. >> 2021 WHEN HURRICANE IDA SLAMMED INTO LOUISIANA AS A CATEGORY FOUR. A MUCH LARGER STORM THAN WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WITH FRANCINE BUT IT DID SO MUCH DAMAGE TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE. ELECTRICITY WAS OUT FOR WEEKS. ALMOST A

MONTH. WHAT'S THE BIGGEST CONCERN WITH FRANCINE? >> WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT WITH FRANCINE'S POTENTIAL FOR THREE TO FIVE FEET OF STORM SURGE, FLOODING AND EVEN TORNADOES AS WE ARE WAITING FOR LANDFALL TOMORROW HERE IN NEW ORLEANS. HOWEVER, THIS IS VERY DIFFERENT. YOU CAN HEAR WE ARE STARTING TO GET THE WIND GUSTS PICKING UP HERE AND WE ARE ABOUT A DAY FROM LANDFALL BUT TO THE POINT ABOUT CATEGORY FOUR OR FIVE, THIS IS EXPECTED TO BE A CATEGORY ONE SO WE ARE LOOKING AT MUCH WEAKER WIND GUSTS FROM THIS STORM AND THIS STORM IS NOT

EXPECTED TO LINGER. IT'S EXPECTED TO SWEEP ACROSS LOUISIANA RELATIVELY QUICKLY AND THAT MEANS THERE WON'T BE AS MUCH RAINFALL IN THIS REGION, TOM. >> JESSE KIRSCH AND HIS TEAM IN NEW ORLEANS WAITING FOR LANDFALL. WE THANK YOU FOR THAT. WE STAY MONITORING THAT STORM BUT RETURNED TO OUR SPECIAL COVERAGE OF THE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE BETWEEN VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS AND FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP. I WANT TO BRING IN MY GOOD FRIEND, PETER ALEXANDER AND DASHA BURNS. WE'VE BEEN FOLLOWING BOTH THESE CAMPAIGNS CLOSELY. PETER, WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN HEARING FROM THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN AHEAD OF TONIGHT'S SHOWDOWN? >> THE

BEST DIRECT LINE WE HAVE TWO KAMALA HARRIS RIGHT NOW IS THROUGH PRESIDENT BIDEN. WE HEARD FROM HIM A SHORT TIME AGO SAYING HE SPOKE TO HARRIS AND SHE'S CALM, COOL AND COLLECTED. HE SAID HE GAVE HER SOME ADVICE BUT WOULDN'T SHARE WHAT THAT WAS. HARRIS ALLIES AND DONALD TRUMP ALIKE ARE GOING TO SPIN THIS NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS. WE KNOW SHE'S BEEN PREPARING OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS SPENDING A LOT OF TIME IN PENNSYLVANIA SPECIFICALLY PITTSBURGH WHERE SHE WAS HUNKER DOWN WITH HER TEAM ENGAGING IN MOCK DEBATE SESSIONS -- EXPERIENCE SHE WILL HAVE UP

ON STAGE. A COIN FLIP HAS ALREADY TAKEN PLACE. FOR HARRIS PART, SHE HAS WATCHED SOME OF THE PAST DEBATES THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS DONE. FOR HER, IT'S HER FIRST GENERAL ELECTION DEBATE. SHE DID ONE WITH JOE BIDEN ABOUT THREE MONTHS AGO. A LOT HAS GONE INTO THIS, PREPARING FOR WHAT SHE'S GOING TO SAY AND -- TWO MINUTE INCREMENTS. YOU'VE GOT TO COMMUNICATE THAT TO THE AMERICAN AUDIENCE. >> PETER, WE THANK YOU FOR THAT. ANYTHING FROM THE FRONT SIDE? TALK TO US ABOUT HIS PRIORITIES THERE. I HAVE TO THINK THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IS TO SLOW

THAT HARRIS MOMENTUM. EVER SINCE SHE ANNOUNCED HER TICKET AND COMING OUT OF HER CONVENTION . >> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. HIS CAMPAIGN IS HOPING THAT THIS MARKS THE END OF THAT HONEYMOON PERIOD THAT THEY BELIEVE SHE'S BEEN HAVING AND THE FORMER PRESIDENT IS FOCUSED ON HIS CAMPAIGN TO TRY TO TIE HARRIS TO THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION. TRY TO MAKE HER FEEL ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE ECONOMY AND SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT VOTERS HAVE EXPRESSED RESERVATION AND THEY'VE EXPRESSED THAT THEY FEEL FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP IS DOING BETTER ON THAN HARRIS. THE OTHER THING WE ARE LIKELY TO SEE HIM

TRY TO DO TONIGHT IS REMIND VOTERS SOME OF WHAT HARRIS SAID BACK IN 2020. THE POSITIONS SHE HELD WHEN SHE WAS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT BACK THEN THAT WERE FURTHER TO THE LEFT THAN SHE IS NOW. HE WAS TRYING TO PAINT HER AS TOO LIBERAL FOR SOME OF THOSE MIDDLE-OF-THE-ROAD VOTERS THAT BOTH OF THEM ARE AFTER RIGHT NOW AND THE FORMER PRESIDENT AFTER DOING THESE MOCK DEBATES AND PREP THAT HARRIS HAS BEEN DOING, BUT OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS HE HAS BEEN HUNKERED DOWN AT MAR-A-LAGO AND HAS BECOME A LITTLE MORE SERIOUS ABOUT PREPARING AND

HE SAYS THAT HE IS FEELING GREAT. TOM? >> ALL RIGHT, DASHA BURNS AND PETER ALEXANDER. WE WILL BE CHECKING IN WITH YOU THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT. FOR AN INSIDE LOOK AT HOW KAMALA HARRIS IS PREPARING FOR TONIGHT'S HIGH-STAKES DEBATE I'M JOINED BY CLOSE FRIEND AND ALLY CALIFORNIA SENATOR BUTLER. BUTLER HAS KNOWN THE VICE PRESIDENT FOR 15 YEARS. FOR THE FIRST TIME WHEN HARRIS WAS DISTRICT ATTORNEY OF SAN FRANCISCO AND SERVED AS SENIOR ADVISER TO HER 2020 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. I WAS WATCHING YOU LOOKING AT THE PICTURES OVER THE YEARS. YOU SMILED

AND HELPED HER PREPARE IN 2020. HOW DO YOU THINK SHE IS FARING TONIGHT? >> THE VICE PRESIDENT IS TAKING THIS DEBATE SO SERIOUSLY. I THINK SHE IS PREPARING WITH THE KINDS OF -- ABOUT THE KIND OF LEADERSHIP SHE WANTS TO OFFER. THE PLANS HER AND GOVERNOR WALZ WOULD LIKE TO IMPLEMENT IN RESPONSE TO SO MUCH THAT'S GOING ON IN AMERICAN FAMILIES AND SHE IS PROBABLY MAKING SURE THAT SHE IS -- AND MESSAGE THAT FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS DEBATED BEFORE. >> DO YOU THINK SHE'S BEEN WATCHING VIDEOS? DOES SHE REALLY GET INTO THE PREP? >> SHE,

AGAIN IS A PROSECUTOR SO WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEONE IN YOUR HANDS, YOU TAKE THE TIME TO GATHER ALL THE FACTS AND THAT IS WHAT SHE HAS BEEN DOING AND I THINK WE ARE GOING TO SEE A DEBATE ABOUT THE ISSUES IMPORTANT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TONIGHT . >> FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP LIKELY TO TRY TO THROW HER OFF HER GAME ON ISSUES LIKE THE ECONOMY. WHAT'S HAPPENING IN PLACES LIKE GAZA AND UKRAINE. WHAT ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT AND WHAT DO YOU TALK ABOUT WHEN IT COMES TO THOSE ISSUES? >> I'M CONFIDENT THE VICE PRESIDENT IS GOING

TO BE READY TONIGHT TO TALK TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE FORMER PRESIDENT'S INTENTION TO THROW HER OFF HER GAME. SHE IS A MISSION FOCUSED PUBLIC SERVANT AND I THINK THAT, WHAT I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO IS THE INVITATION TO THOSE AMERICANS WHO HAVE NOT YET MADE UP THEIR MINDS. >> YOU MENTIONED SHE IS A FORMER PROSECUTOR. SHE'S GOOD AT ASKING QUESTIONS. SHE'S NOT GOOD AT ANSWERING QUESTIONS. SHE HAD THIS MOMENT IN THE 2020 DEBATE WITH REPRESENTATIVE TULSI GABBARD THAT I WANT TO PLAY FOR OUR VIEWERS RIGHT NOW. LET'S WATCH A MINUTE OF

THAT DEBATE AND I'LL GET YOUR REACTION. >> SENATOR HARRIS SAYS SHE'S PROUD OF HER RECORD AS A PROSECUTOR I'M DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS RECORD. THERE ARE TOO MANY EXAMPLES, SHE PUT OVER 1500 PEOPLE IN JAIL FOR MARIJUANA VIOLATIONS THEN LAUGHED ABOUT IT WHEN SHE WAS ASKED IF SHE'S EVER SMOKED MARIJUANA. SHE DROPPED EVIDENCE THAT WOULD HAVE FREED AN INNOCENT MAN FROM DEATH ROW UNTIL THE COURTS FORCED HER TO DO SO. SHE USE THEM AS CHEAP LABOR FOR THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA AND SHE -- SYSTEM IN PLACE THAT IMPACTS PEOPLE IN THE WORST KIND OF WAY.

>> THANK YOU, CONGRESSWOMAN. SENATOR HARRIS, YOUR RESPONSE? >> AS THE ELECTED ATTORNEY GENERAL OF CALIFORNIA, I DID THE WORK OF SIGNIFICANTLY REFORMING THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM OF A STATE OF 40 MILLION PEOPLE WHICH BECAME A NATIONAL MODEL FOR THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND I AM PROUD OF THAT WORK. >> WE KNOW REPRESENTATIVE TULSI GABBARD IS WORKING WITH FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP IN THIS DEBATE PREP. HOW DO YOU THINK SHE WILL REACT WITH A MOMENT LIKE THAT WHEN IT'S NOT TULSI GABBARD BUT SOMEONE EVEN LOUDER LIKE FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP ? >> I THINK SHE'S

GOING TO RESPOND LIKE TRUMP. THIS IS A MOMENT WHERE WE HAVE SEEN IN EVERY DEBATE, THE FORMER PRESIDENT IS DEEPLY EXPERIENCED, THERE ARE A SERIES OF UNTRUTHS THAT COME OUT. I THINK THE VICE PRESIDENT IS GOING TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT IS THE POINT THAT SHE WANTS TO MAKE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. SHE'S NOT GOING TO BE A FACT CHECKER BUT A TRUTH SETTER. >> SOME PEOPLE HAVE POINTED OUT, ESPECIALLY REPUBLICANS THAT THE VICE PRESIDENT HAS -- A LOT OF ISSUES. ISSUES LIKE FRACKING, ISSUES LIKE THE BORDER. I REMEMBER IN THE 2020 CAMPAIGN, THE

PROGRESSIVES HAD A STRANGLEHOLD IN THE PRIMARIES ON THE PARTY AND I DON'T WANT TO SAY SHE RAN FROM HER RECORD SHE WASN'T LEANING INTO THE PROSECUTOR SIDE. SHE IS NOW IN A BIG WAY. WHICH KAMALA HARRIS DO YOU THINK WE ARE GOING TO SEE HERE? >> THE EXACT SAME KAMALA HARRIS I'VE KNOWN FOR 15 YEARS. SOMEONE WHO -- PEOPLE, EVERYDAY PEOPLE AT HER SERVICE. -- A KIND OF KAMALA HARRIS IN HER VICE PRESIDENCY THAT HAS BEEN FOCUSED ON WHAT SHE CAN DO FOR THE MOST GOOD FOR THE MOST PEOPLE AND WE ARE GOING TO SEE

A CONFIDENT VICE PRESIDENT WHO IS PREPARED TO MOVE OUR COUNTRY FORWARD BEYOND THE POLICY DEBATE AND CAN ACTUALLY UNIFY US TOWARD A FUTURE THAT WE ACTUALLY DESERVE . >> I'M SEEING THROUGH RESEARCH THAT YOU SPOKE TO HARRIS TODAY THAT PRESIDENT BIDEN STEPPED ASIDE AROUND THAT TIME. WHAT CAN YOU TELL OUR VIEWERS ABOUT THAT CONVERSATION? >> I'VE KNOWN THE PRESIDENT FOR MANY YEARS AND WHAT I WILL SAY OF THAT CONVERSATION IS, FROM HER COMMITMENT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IN A MOMENT THAT WAS UNEXPECTED BUT DEFINITELY SHE WAS READY TO STEP INTO THIS LEADERSHIP. SHE'S NEVER BACKED

DOWN FROM A CHALLENGE, NEVER BACKED DOWN FROM AN OPPORTUNITY. >> SENATOR, GET YOUR CRYSTAL BALL OUT. IF VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS WINS, WOULD YOU ACCEPT A POSITION IN HER CABINET? WOULD YOU WANT TO? >> IF SHE -- THE CABINET, I'M SURE YOU WOULD CONSIDER IT -- >> NO, SENATOR BUTLER, WE THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, APPRECIATE IT, HAVE A GOOD DEBATE. FOR ME -- MORE ON THIS DEBATE, KRISTEN WELKER JOINS OUR COVERAGE LIVE NOW. THIS IS A MODERATED DEBATE. YOU KNOW HOW HARD THEY ARE, RIGHT? MICS WILL BE MUTED, ONLY THE MODERATORS ARE ALLOWED TO ASK

QUESTIONS AND AS FAR AS WE KNOW THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE REAL TIME FACT CHECKING. DOES THAT MAKE THIS EASIER TO MODERATE AND IS THAT BETTER FOR THE DEBATE? >> THE FACT THAT THE MICS ARE GOING TO BE MUTED, WE SAW THAT DURING THE JUNE DEBATE DURING FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP AND PRESIDENT BIDEN AT THE TOP OF THE TICKET AT THE TIME. IT CERTAINLY MAKES FOR A DEBATE THAT IS MORE IN LINE WITH -- YOU DON'T HAVE THAT CROSS TALK THAT YOU TYPICALLY GET. YOU COULD ARGUE THAT'S A GOOD THING, YOU COULD ARGUE THAT'S NOT SUCH

A GOOD THING. THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN IS GOING, HEY, THEY WANTED THE MICS TO BE UN-MUTED SO THAT SHE COULD ENGAGE IN REAL TIME. WHAT'S NOTABLE IS THAT THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN ASKED FOR THE MICS TO BE MUTED AFTER. IF YOU TALK TO DEMOCRATIC STRATEGISTS, THEY BELIEVE THE MICS BEING MUTED ACTUALLY HAS HELPED TRUMP TO LOOK MORE PRESIDENTIAL SO WHAT WILL YOU SEE TONIGHT? IF THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF -- UNMUTE THOSE MICROPHONE SO YOU CAN HEAR WHAT THEY ARE SAYING AND IN TERMS OF IT BEING EASIER, I WOULD NOT SAY THAT MODERATING ANY DEBATE IS EASY.

IT IS AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF PREPARATION AND THE CHALLENGE FOR THE MODERATORS IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE GETTING ANSWERS TO THEIR QUESTIONS. MAKING SURE THAT IF THEY DON'T HEAR AN ANSWER THERE ARE FOLLOW- UP QUESTIONS TO TRY TO REALLY PIN DOWN AND DRILL DOWN ON WHAT THEY'VE ASKED. SO I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE THE CHALLENGE FOR THE MODERATORS TONIGHT, TOM. >> WHAT DO YOU THINK A WIN LOOKS LIKE FOR BOTH CANDIDATES? >> GREAT QUESTION, I THINK FOR FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP I'VE BEEN TALKING TO A LOT OF HIS ALLIES, THEY SAY THEY WANT

HIM TO STAY FOCUSED ON HIS ALLIES AND TYING KAMALA HARRIS TO THE BIDEN RECORD. THEY DON'T WANT HIM TO ENGAGE IN PERSONAL ATTACKS. VERY FORCEFUL ON THAT OVER THE WEEKEND SAID, LOOK, STOP ATTACKING HER PERSONALLY BECAUSE IN HER OWN WORDS, EVEN REPUBLICAN WOMEN GET THEIR BACKS UP WHEN THEY HEAR THOSE KINDS OF PERSONAL ATTACKS. I ALSO THINK A BIG WIN FOR HIM WOULD BE IF HE CAN ADDRESS MORE DIRECTLY THE ISSUE OF REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS. WHERE DOES HE STAND, SPECIFICALLY? THIS IS AN ISSUE FOR THE STATE BUT WILL HE GIVE MORE DETAIL ABOUT WHERE EXACTLY HE

STANDS? AS FOR VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, SHE'S GOT TO EXPLAIN IN MORE DETAIL AND IF YOU TALK TO HER ALLIES, SOME OF THOSE FLIP FLOPS SHE HAD FROM WHEN SHE WAS A CANDIDATE IN 2019 AND THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE WITH JOE BIDEN NOW OF COURSE THE SITTING VICE PRESIDENT AND THEN, THE BIG ONE, WILL SHE LAY OUT FOR VOTERS HOW A HARRIS ADMINISTRATION WOULD DIFFERENT FROM A BIDEN ADMINISTRATION. SHE CAN'T COMPLETELY DISTANCE HERSELF FROM THE BIDEN AGENDA. SHE IS A PART OF THE ADMINISTRATION THAT, A WIN IS FOR HER TO MAKE A CASE AND CREATE A

VISION IN WHICH SHE TALKS ABOUT THE WAYS IN WHICH THINGS COULD LOOK DIFFERENT UNDER A HARRIS ADMINISTRATION. TOM. >> KRISTEN WELKER, I KNOW WE ARE GOING TO BE HEARING FROM YOU ALL NIGHT LONG. WE APPRECIATE YOU GOING ON SPECIAL COVERAGE. FOR MORE I WANT TO BRING IN OUR POLITICAL PROSE, SENATOR -- WHO REPRESENTED THE GREAT STATE OF MISSOURI AND IS NOW POLITICAL ANALYST, KRISTIN McLACHLAN, ON THE VIV X -- VIVEK RAMASWAMY CAMPAIGN. AND MICHAEL HOPKINS, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST AND FORMER STAFFER ON THE CLINTON AND OBAMA CAMPAIGNS. WE THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. SO, IF YOU ARE

THE HARRIS TEAM, YOU'VE DONE ONE BIG INTERVIEW WITH CNN SINCE THE TOP OF THE TICKET. NO TOWN HALLS, A LOT OF CAMPAIGNING BUT NO PRESCRIPTIVE MOMENTS. I'VE GOT TO THINK THE PRESSURE IS ON FOR HER. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME AMERICANS ARE GOING TO SEE HER, REALLY, WITHOUT ANY SCRIPT. >> I THINK SHE WILL BRING MORE ENERGY. THE BEST TRAINING GROUNDS FOR NOT HAVING A SCRIPT IS A COURTROOM. SOMEONE WHO DID EXACTLY WHAT SHE DID FOR 20 YEARS, THERE IS NO SCRIPT IN A COURTROOM, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR WITNESSES WILL SAY, YOU DON'T KNOW

WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADJUST TO SOMETHING ON THE FLY, SHE KNOWS HOW TO DO THIS. I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE PROBLEM. I THINK THE BIGGER PROBLEM IS HOW SHE CAN BE DISMISSIVE OF HIM AND MAKE HIM SMALLER ON THE STAGE AND MAKE HIMSELF STRONGER. >> I WANT TO SHOW YOU THE LATEST NATIONAL POLL WE HAVE. I WILL PUT THIS UP FOR OUR VIEWERS HERE AND CERTAINLY HERE, AND THE PEW RESEARCH CENTER AS WELL. YOU CAN SEE HOW DEADLOCKED THIS RACE IS. THAT HEAT WELL WITHIN THE MARGIN OF ERROR AND YET THERE'S A VERY

DIFFERENT DEBATE STAGE FROM THE ONE TRUMP FACED IN JUNE. NOW HE'S THE OLDER CANDIDATE, FACING SOMEONE WITH MORE ENERGY, SOMEONE HE'S NEVER DEBATED BEFORE. HOW DO YOU THINK THAT THROWS HIM OFF HIS GAME? >> THIS IS A GUY WHO, WEEKS AGO WAS SHOT IN THE EAR AND GOT UP AND SAID FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, THEN WENT ON TO GO EVERY NIGHT, LONG DAYS, LONG NIGHTS TO THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION. I THINK HE REALLY SHOWED SOME ENERGY. I THOUGHT THIS WAS VERY INTERESTING. IT SHOWS ONLY A THIRD OF AMERICANS THINK HE IS TOO FAR RIGHT, HALF OF

AMERICANS THINK, HARRIS IS TOO FAR LEFT. HE IS THE CENTRIST CANDIDATE GOING INTO THIS DEBATE. I MEAN, LISTEN. HE IS NOT A CENTRIST CANDIDATE AND, THE POINT IS, HE'S NOT TRYING TO BE A CENTRIST CANDIDATE. HE'S NEVER REALLY REACHED BEYOND HIS SPACE AND SHE ON THE OTHER HAND, I THINK HAS A REAL OPPORTUNITY TO GET AN EDGE WITH SOFT REPUBLICANS AND INDEPENDENT VOTERS. PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE HIS POLICY OR HIS PLAN FOR THE ECONOMY. GOLDMAN SACHS SAYING HER ECONOMIC PLANS WILL BE BETTER FOR THE ECONOMY THAN HIS, THAT TELLS YOU SOMETHING. >> WE CAN ROLL

THE VIDEO OF THE DEBATE BETWEEN FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP AND PRESIDENT BIDEN. SO BIDEN COMES OUT, IT'S CLEAR HE'S HAVING A BAD NIGHT AND AT SOME POINT, FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP REALIZES THIS AND HE STARTS TO SORT OF LOOK OVER AT BIDEN WILD BIDEN IS ANSWERING. THEY HAVE THE SPLIT SCREEN THERE. THIS IS THE DEBATE ON CNN AND YOU CAN SEE TRUMP REALIZES THAT BIDEN IS HAVING A VERY BAD NIGHT AND CONTROLS HIMSELF IN THE BEGINNING OF THE DEBATE. DO YOU THINK HE WILL BE ABLE TO CONTROL HIMSELF IN THIS DEBATE AS WELL IF HE SEES OPPORTUNITIES?

>> I THINK SO. IT'S NO SECRET, HARRIS IS GOING TO TRY TO GET UNDER HIS SKIN. THE JOB FOR DONALD TRUMP HERE IS TO REMIND PEOPLE ABOUT HIS RECORD WHILE KAMALA HARRIS JOB IS TO MAKE PEOPLE FORGET ABOUT HERS. HE NEEDS TO STAY ON MESSAGE AND EXPOSE HER FOR THE RADICAL SHE IS AND MAKE SURE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE REMEMBER JUST HOW SUCCESSFUL, HOW GOOD IT WAS, HOW YOU CAN AFFORD GAS AND GROCERIES WHEN THE ORDER WAS CLOSED, YOU HAD NO WARS BREAKING OUT ALL OVER THE WORLD. THAT'S HIS JOB TONIGHT. I THINK HE'S GOING TO

HAVE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT. IT'S PRETTY CLEAR KAMALA HARRIS HAS A HISTORY OF BEING PREPARED FOR THESE. SHE'S NOT NEW, SHE'S NOT FRESH, SHE'S KIND OF OLD AT THIS POINT IN POLITICAL YEARS FOR SURE. DONALD TRUMP IS STILL THE NEWCOMER, SHE WILL BE READY. SHE WILL HAVE HER CANNED ONE LINERS, CONTRIVED LINES, STORIES THAT ARE MADE UP, SHE WILL DO ALL OF THAT BECAUSE SHE'S DONE IT IN THE PAST. SHE WILL USE THAT TO TRY AND GO TO DONALD TRUMP INTO GOING DOWN A RABBIT HOLE. IF HE DOESN'T AND STICKS TO WHAT THE

AMERICAN PEOPLE CARE ABOUT HE'S GOING TO HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. >> I WANT TO SHOW YOU -- POLL WE MENTIONED EARLIER HERE. WHEN ASKED HOW WELL VOTERS FEEL THEY KNOW THE CANDIDATES, 28 PERCENT, ALMOST 3/10 SAY THEY NEEDED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT KAMALA HARRIS. JUST 9% SAID THE SAME ABOUT DONALD TRUMP. HOW DOES SHE WIN THIS DEBATE BUT ALSO INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO A LARGE PORTION OF THE ELECTORATE? >> THAT'S DONALD TRUMP'S PROBLEM, HE SQUEEZED ALL THE JUICE OUT OF HIS BASE. THE PROBLEM IS HE HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO HIT 50% WHILE KAMALA HARRIS HAS. SHE

STILL HAS ROOM TO GROW AND WHAT SHE CAN DO TONIGHT IS WHILE DONALD TRUMP IS GOING TO TRY TO HOLD HER AND BE UNPROFESSIONAL AND UNDISCIPLINED, SHE'S GOT TO TALK TO VOTERS. SHE'S GOT TO REMIND VOTERS THAT WHEN DONALD TRUMP WAS IN CHARGE THERE WERE 20 MILLION AMERICANS WHO LOST THEIR JOBS. THERE WAS 1 MILLION AMERICANS WHO DIED. MECARE, MEDICAID, THE ACA, INCREASE OUR DEFICIT BY $8 TRILLION. THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT HAPPENED UNDER HIS ADMINISTRATION THAT I THINK A LOT OF AMERICANS HAVE FORGOTTEN. >> THE TWO CANDIDATES AGREED ON THE RULES, THESE MICS ARE

GOING TO BE MUTED. HOW MUCH OF AN ADVANTAGE DOES THIS GIVE FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP? >> I'M NOT SURE IT'S A HUGE ADVANTAGE. I THINK THE BACK-AND-FORTH THAT HE DOES ESPECIALLY ON WOMEN.WE ALL KNOW, GUYS -- EVERY WOMAN KNOWS A MAN LIKE DONALD TRUMP WHO MINIMIZES WOMEN, SAYS HORRIBLE THINGS ABOUT WOMEN, WHO MARGINALIZES THEM AND, SO, YEAH. BEING MUTED HELPS HIM BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO HOLD HER BACK. >> TRICIA, FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS ARGUED HE HAS A RIGHT TO GET PERSONAL WITH VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS THAT SHE HAS CALLED HIM WEIRD AND OPEN

THE DOOR FOR THESE ATTACKS. YOU THINK HE WILL GO DOWN THAT ROAD IN THE DEBATES TONIGHT? >> ANYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO PERSONAL IT DOESN'T MAKE YOU SUCCESSFUL. I THINK HE KNOWS, HARRIS IS GOING TO PROSECUTE DONALD TRUMP'S CHARACTER. HE NEEDS TO PROSECUTE HER RECORD. WHAT SHE SAID IN 2019 DURING THE PRIMARY DEBATE, WHAT SHE DID THROUGHOUT THE ADMINISTRATION WHETHER IT BE THE ECONOMY, INFLATION, VOTING FOR THAT INFLATION REDUCTION ACT WHICH NOW WE KNOW BECAUSE BIDEN SAID SO, IS ACTUALLY A -- AGENDA. ALSO IMMIGRATION. THAT IS A REAL THING AND LASTLY FRACKING. PENNSYLVANIA VOTERS WANT

TO KNOW WHERE DOES SHE STAND ON THIS ISSUE. >> GET HER THERE SPOTLIGHT ON THE ISSUES FOR HER. I GOT TO ASK, SHE WAS ABLE TO HOLD HER OWN IN THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE FOUR YEARS AGO AGAINST MIKE PENCE. MIKE PENCE IS A VERY DIFFERENT PERSON FROM DONALD TRUMP. WHAT ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT HAPPENING AT THIS DEBATE IF TRUMP SEES A WAY FORWARD AND HE'S ABLE TO GET UNDER HER SKIN IN THIS DEBATE ? >> ONE OF THE WORST THINGS YOU CAN DO IS ASK A QUESTION THAT YOU DIDN'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO OR ALLOW

A WITNESS TO PULL YOU OFF YOUR SCRIPT AND GET YOU OFF YOUR GAME. I THINK THE ONE THING SHE'S REALLY GOT TO FOCUS ON IS NOT GETTING IN THAT BACK-AND-FORTH WITH HIM. NOT RESPONDING. STICKING TO THE ISSUES LIKE ABORTION, ABOUT DEMOCRACY. TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE IMPACTS OF A TRUMP PRESIDENCY WILL LOOK LIKE. SHE'S GOING TO PUT HER VISION FORWARD AND MAKE SURE SHE DOESN'T GET ENGAGED IN THIS BACK-AND-FORTH THAT HE HAS BEEN SO FAMOUS AT GETTING PEOPLE TO DO ON STAGE. >> I DO HAVE TO ASK YOU, HOW IMPORTANT DO YOU THINK THIS DEBATE IS?

>> MARY. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME DONALD TRUMP HAS HAD A DEBATE OF THIS NATURE. KAMALA HARRIS HAS NEVER BEEN ON THE STAGE EITHER. SHE'S BEEN DOING THIS 25 YEARS. SHE'S BEEN IN DEBATES TOO BUT IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE BOTH FOLKS ACTUALLY SITTING DOWN AND GOING TOE TO TOE WITH ANOTHER PERSON ESPECIALLY ON AN ISSUE LIKE THIS. TENS OF THOUSANDS OF VOTES ACROSS THE TWO STATES. ALL EYES WILL BE ON THIS ESPECIALLY SINCE KAMALA HARRIS HASN'T DONE ANYTHING WITH THE MEDIA. NO ONE KNOWS HER AS THE POLL YOU JUST PUT OUT SHOWS. IT'S

ON DONALD TRUMP TO EXPLAIN THAT AND EXPOSE THAT BUT AT THE SAME TIME BOTH CANDIDATES UNDERSTAND WHAT IS AT STAKE TONIGHT. THEY HAVE A CHANCE TO EITHER GROW A LEAD OR SINK IN THE POLLS BASED ON WHAT HAPPENS. >> WE THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE, SPECIAL COVERAGE. STILL AHEAD TONIGHT, MORE COVERAGE OF THE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE CONTINUES LIVE FROM PHILADELPHIA. WITH THE RACE NECK AND NECK, BOTH CANDIDATES ARE HOPING TO WIN OVER UNDECIDED VOTERS. WE HAVE MUCH MORE FROM PHILADELPHIA. STAY WITH US. >> WE ARE HERE IN BUTLER PENNSYLVANIA COVERING BREAKING NEWS. PRESIDENT TRUMP IS

SPEAKING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BARN. >> OUR REPORTERS ARE SPREAD OUT AS THIS HISTORIC EVENING UNFOLDS. FANS HERE AT THE BANK SEE ARENA GOING WILD FOR TEAM USA. I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING. >> YEAH, GOSH, IT FEELS GOOD. >> TOP STORY WITH TOM LLAMAS STREAMING WEEKNIGHTS AT 7:00 ON NBC NEWS NOW. >>> WE ARE BACK, LIVE IN PHILADELPHIA. WHAT A BEAUTIFUL SHOT. THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE BETWEEN VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS AND FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP. THIS DEBATE COULD BE THE TIPPING POINT FOR UNDECIDED VOTERS WATCHING ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY. NBC

NEWS DAILY ANCHOR KATE SNOW JOINS US LIVE FROM SOUTHHAMPTON, PENNSYLVANIA WHERE SHE SPENT THE NIGHT WITH UNDECIDED FEMALE VOTERS. I WANT TO START WITH POLL NUMBERS. BATTLE GROUND COUNTY WE ALWAYS WATCH. THE COUNTY PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN WON BY 17,000 VOTES IN 2020 WHEN HE WON THE STATE. THIS IS A CLOSELY CONTESTED COUNTY IN A SWING STATE. WHAT IS -- >> Reporter: I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE YOU TO A COUPLE OF THEM AND TO CORRECT YOU, THEY ARE NOT ALL WOMEN. I'VE GOT A GUY STANDING RIGHT NEAR ME. WE'VE GOT ANDREW WITH US AND HANNAH WITH US

AND THEY'VE GRACIOUSLY AGREED TO TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY ARE UNDECIDED. YOU GUYS ARE BOTH NOT SURE AT ALL WHO YOU ARE GOING TO VOTE FOR. SO YOU'VE AGREED TO WATCH TOGETHER WITH US HERE TONIGHT. TOM WAS JUST LAYING OUT THAT THE COUNTY IS DIVIDED AND A LOT OF THE PEOPLE WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO AS WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIND UNDECIDED VOTERS ARE REALLY MADE UP. THEY'VE MADE UP THEIR MINDS. PEOPLE ARE SURPRISED THERE EVEN ARE UNDECIDED VOTERS. WHY ARE YOU UNDECIDED? WHY DON'T YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE GOING TO VOTE FOR? >> I

VOTED TRUMP IN 2016. I THINK HE LIED. HARRIS, I DON'T TRUST A LOT OF WHAT SHE SAYS. SHE CHANGES HER OPINIONS. AN ACLU SURVEY CAME OUT YESTERDAY OR THE DAY BEFORE AND VERY FAR LEFT AND I DON'T AGREE WITH ANY OF THEM. >> YOU WERE TELLING ME BEFORE YOU SEE ANY OF THAT IT'S THE WOKE THING, YOU FEEL IS GOING A LITTLE TOO FAR. YOU ARE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE. AND YOU'RE LISTENING FOR WHAT TONIGHT? WHAT DO YOU WANT TO HEAR? >> A MIDDLE GROUND, TO RETURN TO THE MIDDLE INSTEAD OF FAR RIGHT OR FAR

LEFT, I'M LIKE, MIDDLE GROUND SO WE CAN ALL MOVE FORWARD. >> HANNAH, YOU ARE SIMILAR IN SOME WAYS AND YOU ALSO VOTED FOR TRUMP IN 2016 THEN YOU VOTED FOR BIDEN IN 2020. SO, YOU WERE TELLING ME, YOU FEEL LIKE -- EXPLAIN SOMETHING THAT -- >> SOMETHING THEY CAN ACTUALLY GET DONE THROUGH LEGISLATION. YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF MAKING THIS DEBATE OR THIS PRESIDENTIAL RACE A SPECTACLE, IT WOULD BE NICE TO ACTUALLY SEE -- INSTEAD OF FOCUSING ON VERY SPECIFIC PARTIES SAYING THE BUZZWORDS, THE PEOPLE THEY KNOW ARE GOING TO VOTE FOR THEM WANT TO HEAR.

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO SAY TO US? >> Reporter: ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT THE TONE TOO? YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T LIKE THE NAME CALLING. >> WE CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE AND YOU CAN HAVE A DISCOURSE THROUGH CONVERSATION BUT ULTIMATELY THE GOAL OF OUR GOVERNMENT REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN IS TO -- BENEFIT THE PEOPLE AND WE ARE SEEING NONE OF THAT BECAUSE OF THE CHAOS THAT IS OUR GOVERNMENT RIGHT NOW. THERE'S NOT EVEN AN INTENTION TO. >> Reporter: YOU OWN THIS PLACE, I SHOULD SAY THAT. YOU OWN THE RESTAURANT WE ARE IN AND YOU'RE

TELLING ME YOU CARE A LOT ABOUT THE ECONOMY, A LOT ABOUT INFLATION RIGHT NOW. AS A BUSINESS OWNER YOU ALSO CARE ABOUT IMMIGRATION AND NOT THE WAY THAT I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT, YOU SAID YOU WANT IMMIGRATION BECAUSE YOU NEED WORKERS. >> I NEED WORKERS AND THE HIGH SCHOOL KIDS WILL NOT WORK. THEY DON'T WANT TO WORK. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING BUT THEY ARE NOT WORKING. YEARS AGO I COULD GET KIDS, 16, 17, 18 YEARS OLD TO WORK AND THEY DON'T WANT TO DO IT ANYMORE. THEY DON'T COME THROUGH THE DOOR, IT DOESN'T

MATTER WHAT I SAY. >> THANK YOU. WE ARE GOING TO WATCH AS THE DEBATE GOES ON. >> GREAT TO HEAR FROM THOSE VOTERS. WE ARE LIVE FROM PHILADELPHIA AS WE ENTER THE FINAL HOURS BEFORE THE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE. COMING UP WE HEAR FROM FORMAL REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE VIVEK RAMASWAMY. MORE OF OUR SPECIAL COVERAGE JUST AHEAD >> DO YOU SEE YOURSELF IN SPACE? >> I COULD GO TO SPACE . >> HOW ARE YOU FEELING? >> I FEEL GREAT. STAY TUNED NOW ON NBC NEWS NOW. >>> WELCOME BACK. WE ARE LIVE IN PHILADELPHIA. LOOK AT THAT BEAUTIFUL SKYLINE.

COUNTING DOWN TO THE FIRST DEBATE BETWEEN VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS AND FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP. MUCH MORE BUT WE HAVE BREAKING NEWS RIGHT NOW. TROPICAL STORM FRANCINE HAS JUST STRENGTHENED TO A HURRICANE. HERE'S A LIVE LOOK AT THE RADAR AS IT FORMS IN THE GULF COAST, THE HURRICANE EXPECTED TO MAKE LANDFALL IN ABOUT 24 HOURS. FORECASTERS WARNING OF LIFE- THREATENING STORM SURGE FOR LOUISIANA AND MISSISSIPPI COASTLINE. YOU CAN FOLLOW THE LATEST ON NBC NEWS. WE WILL BE TRACKING THE HURRICANE THROUGHOUT ALL OF OUR SPECIAL COVERAGE. >>> AHEAD OF THE DEBATE TONIGHT, FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS BEEN REVIEWING

POLICY DECISIONS. JOINING US NOW IS FORMER REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE VIVEK RAMASWAMY. ALWAYS GREAT TO SEE YOU. THANKS FOR JOINING OUR COVERAGE. THE GOAL RIGHT NOW IS TO STOP THE MOMENTUM THAT HARRIS HAS. FROM THE TOP OF THE TICKET TO THE CONVENTION TO THIS MOMENT RIGHT HERE. HOW DOES FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP DO THAT? >> FIRST OF ALL I WILL GIVE YOU MY FRANK ASSESSMENT OF WHERE SHE DOES STAND IN THE RACE. SHE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF MOMENTUM COMING OUT OF THIS RACE, EVEN AS HER ANNOUNCEMENT AS THE PRESUMPTIVE NOMINEE. I THINK THAT ALREADY HAS STALLED

AROUND POLICY. KAMALA HARRIS HAS BEEN COMPLETELY OPAQUE ABOUT WHAT HER POLICY POSITIONS ARE. SHE STANDS IN FAVOR ON ATTACKS OF UNREALIZED CAPITAL GAINS. SHE DOESN'T EXPLAIN WHY SHE CHANGED HER POSITION ON HEALTHCARE ON MEDICARE FOR ALL, BANS ON FRACKING. SO I HOPE TONIGHT GIVES AMERICANS AND VOTERS WHAT THEY DESERVE WHICH IS A CLEAR PICTURE OF BOTH CANDIDATES. >> HOW DOES YOUR CANDIDATE, FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP, PUT THE SPOTLIGHT ON THE FLIP-FLOPPING, AS YOU GUYS CALL THEM. HOW DOES HE STAY DISCIPLINED AND PUT THAT PRESSURE ON HER ESPECIALLY IN A DEBATE WHERE YOU HAVE THE MIKE'S OFF

AND IT'S TWO MINUTES FOR YOU IN TWO MINUTES FOR THEM . >> A LOT OF THIS WILL FALL ON THE MODERATORS. I THINK THEY DID LAST TIME AROUND AND I'M ROOTING FOR THAT AS WELL. BUT I DO THINK IT'S THE JOB OF NOT ONLY THE MODERATORS BUT DONALD TRUMP TO FOCUS ON WHAT HIS POLICIES ACTUALLY ARE AND IN KAMALA HARRIS OWN WORDS -- WHEN KAMALA HARRIS RAN FOR PRESIDENT IN 2020, SHE HAD POSITIONS SHE'S TRYING TO RUN AWAY FROM NOW. THOSE WERE A SHORT FOUR YEARS AGO. SO MY BEST ADVICE WOULD BE YOU DON'T NEED

TO PUT WORDS IN HER MOUTH, JUST TELL THE PUBLIC WHAT SHE SAID AND IF SHE CHANGED HER MIND WHICH SHE ACTS LIKE SHE HAS, SHE DESERVES TO EXPLAIN EXPECTEDLY -- EXACTLY WHY AND SHE HASN'T DONE THAT YET. >> YOU ARE SOMEBODY WHO SPEAKS FRANKLY. YOU LET PEOPLE KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU STAND ON ISSUES BUT WHEN IT COMES TO ABORTION, ABORTION RIGHTS, BAN IN FLORIDA, IF YOU ARE A REPUBLICAN VOTER IT'S BEEN A LITTLE CONFUSING. PRESIDENT TRUMP SEEMS ALL OVER THE PLACE. YOU THINK HE'S BEEN ABLE TO TELEGRAPH HIS POLICY DIRECTLY ABOUT WHERE HE STANDS ON

ABORTION? >> I THINK PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS BEEN CRYSTAL CLEAR ABOUT ONE POLICY THROUGHOUT. I RAN AGAINST HIM IN THE PRIMARY AND HE WAS VERY CLEAR ABOUT THIS THEN AS I WAS AS WELL. HE IS AGAINST A FEDERAL BAN ON ABORTION. THIS IS AN ISSUE FOR THE STATES. CONSERVATIVES HAVE LONG FAVORED OVERTURNING ROE V. WADE. THAT HAPPENED BUT THEN IT WOULD BE INCONSISTENT. WE'VE BEEN CRYSTAL CLEAR ON THAT. I WANT TO SAY PART OF THAT CONFUSION COMES FROM THE FACT THAT KAMALA HARRIS HAS EXPRESSLY STATED NOT ONCE BUT NUMEROUS TIMES THAT DONALD TRUMP IS IN FAVOR

OF SIGNING A FEDERAL ABORTION BAN. HE'S NEVER SAID SO. TO THE COUNTRY HE'S TAKEN A LOT OF CRITICISM FROM REPUBLICANS FOR THAT POSITION. >> I GET THAT. >> THIS POSITION IS AGAINST THE FEDERAL BAN. HIS POSITION IS THAT THE BEST ISSUE LEFT FOR LOCAL STATES OR LOCAL COMMUNITY IS TO DECIDE WHAT'S BEST FOR THEM. >> YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR MIND BUT -- >> I DON'T THINK HE CHANGED HIS MIND. WITH RESPECT. HERE'S WHY. >> I BELIEVE, THE MEDIA ASKED HIM TOUGH QUESTIONS -- >> I WOULD SAY THE SAME OF, BUT THAT'S A POINT FOR ANOTHER

DAY. HE HAS BEEN CONSISTENT. HE HAS BEEN AGAINST THAT SIX WEEK BAN ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE TIME IT WAS SIGNED INTO LAW. HERE'S WHAT HE SAID. WE CAN'T CONFLATE BEING OPPOSED WITH THE BAN WITH BEING IN FAVOR OF EVERYTHING THE BALLOT MEASURE WOULD PROPOSE WITH SOME LEGAL SCHOLARS SAYING IT WOULD IN CERTAIN CASES ALLOW FOR ABORTION UP TO THE TIME OF BIRTH. HE'S AGAINST THAT AS WELL. CONFLATING THE BALLOT MEASURE -- TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES. BE AGAINST THE BALLOT MEASURE AND THE SIX-WEEK BAN. >> YOU'VE GOTTEN TO KNOW FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP. YOU NEVER REALLY

KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN ON THE DEBATE STAGE WITH HIM, RIGHT? HOW DO YOU CONVINCE HIM OR ARE YOU CONVINCED YOU WILL GET THAT DONALD TRUMP THAT WILL FOCUS ON THE ISSUES AND HAVE THAT HEARTY DEBATE VERSUS THE DONALD TRUMP WHO CAN BE EMOTIONAL, PERSONAL ATTACKS AGAINST HER LOOKS . >> FIRST OF ALL I THINK HE HAS DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB ANSWERING QUESTIONS OF WHERE HE LANDS ON POLICY FROM TOUGH QUESTIONS FROM AI TO CRYPTO POLICY TO THE BORDER WALL TO ENERGY POLICY. I THINK HE IS WELL PREPARED. I SPOKE WITH HIM LATE LAST WEEKEND

I SPOKE TO HIM THIS MORNING. HE'S CONFIDENT. WE DIDN'T TALK MUCH ABOUT THE DEBATE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE ISSUES RELATING TO THE COUNTRY AND I THINK THAT TELLS YOU THE KIND OF PERSON DONALD TRUMP IS. HE DOESN'T FOLLOW ANYBODY ELSE'S SCRIPT. HE DOESN'T SHOW UP WITH A BUNCH OF PRE-CANNED TALKING POINTS. I FELT ONE OF HIS BEST MOMENTS IN THAT FIRST DEBATE AGAINST JOE BIDEN WAS ACTUALLY TOWARD THE END OF THE DEBATE. IT GOT LESS ATTENTION. WHERE HE LOOKED AND SAID YOU KNOW WHAT, I DON'T HAVE TO BE DOING THIS. AND IT'S TRUE. I THINK

IT LANDED BECAUSE IT CAME ACROSS AS AUTHENTIC. BECAUSE IT WAS. HE LIVED A GOOD LIFE. HE WOULDN'T BE GOING THROUGH THESE PROSECUTIONS, HE'S DOING IT NOT JUST BECAUSE HE WANTS TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN BUT TO MAKE AMERICA GREATER THAN WE'VE EVER BEEN AND I WANT TO SEE THAT SIDE OF HIM COME THROUGH TONIGHT AND IF HE DOES THAT I THINK HE WILL WIN OVER VOTERS WHO OTHERWISE MAY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. HE'S ALLOWED THE REST OF THE COUNTRY TO SEE THE MOTIVATIONS THAT I KNOW -- WIN TONIGHT. DEMOCRATS TRIED TO PIN PROJECT 25 ON REPUBLICANS.

-- OUT THERE SAYING VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS IS A MARXIST. WITH THE DEMOCRATS REPUBLICANS WERE ABLE, SUCCESSFULLY TO PUT THAT LABEL ON SOME DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES, ESPECIALLY JOE BIDEN IN PLACES LIKE FLORIDA. WHY DO YOU THINK HE'S HAVING A TOUGHER TIME PUTTING THAT LABEL ON KAMALA HARRIS? >> THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS GOING ON. THE MEDIA HAS BEEN VERY PROTECTIVE OF KAMALA HARRIS . >> YOU DON'T THINK SHE'S A MARXIST. >> I BELIEVE SHE IS -- A COG IN THE SYSTEM. THE REALITY IS, PRESIDENT BIDEN, KAMALA HARRIS, THEY ARE PART OF THE MANAGERIAL CLASS THAT IN MANY

WAYS, HER POLICY DEFICIT AND BIDENS COGNITIVE DEFICIT, THOSE WERE NOT BUGS, THEY WERE FEATURES FOR THE MANAGERIAL CLASS THAT CONTROLS THEM. I THINK OF KAMALA HARRIS WANTS TO PROVE SHE'S A CANDIDATE WITH AN IDEOLOGY, I THINK IT'S DOING HER TOO MUCH CREDIT TO SAY SHE'S IDEOLOGICAL. BERNIE SANDERS HAS AN IDEOLOGY. I DISAGREE WITH IT BUT AT LEAST HE'S CLEAR WHAT IT IS. KAMALA HARRIS -- BANDS ON FRACKING AND OFFSHORE DRILLING, SAID SHE FAVORED AN END TO THE FILIBUSTER GREEN NEW DEAL. THOSE AREN'T HER POSITIONS NOW. TO ME THAT'S INDICATIVE OF A DEEPER PROBLEM OF SOMEBODY

OPERATING IN A MACHINE AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD MESSAGE FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP TO DELIVER TONIGHT. WE ARE NOT JUST RUNNING AGAINST THE CANDIDATE, THE ONE WE WILL SEE ON STAGE TONIGHT. OR A DIFFERENT CANDIDATE ON STAGE A FEW MONTHS AGO, WE ARE REALLY RUNNING AGAINST THE MACHINE. FRANKLY, IN BOTH PARTIES. THAT'S PART OF WHY YOU ARE SEEING SO MANY DEMOCRATS DEFECT TO JOIN THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AS WELL. THIS IS BIGGER THAN THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN. >> DEMOCRATS DEFECTING? >> YOU SEE TULSI GABBARD, YOU SEE ARRANGE . >> BUT CHENEY AND LIZ CHENEY WENT THE OTHER

WAY . >> THIS IS NOT ABOUT REPUBLICANS VERSUS DEMOCRATS. IT'S ABOUT THAT MANAGERIAL CLASS, THE MACHINE, PROFESSIONAL POLITICIANS, CHENEY, LIZ CHENEY, KAMALA HARRIS, JOE BIDEN. VOTERS OUTSIDE WANT TO COME IN AND SHAKE IT UP AREA >> BEFORE YOU GO, THE LAST TIME WE TALKED WE TALKED ABOUT POTENTIALLY IF THE TRUMP TICKET WINS, THERE WILL BE A VACANCY FOR THE SENATE IN OHIO. ARE YOU STILL INTERESTED IN THAT SEAT? HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS GONE ANYWHERE? A FEW ABOUT CRYPTOCURRENCY AND THE ECONOMY WITH THE PRESIDENT AS WELL. WHERE IS YOUR HEAD RIGHT NOW IF THE TRUMP VANCE TICKET

DOES WIN? >> AFTER NOVEMBER, WE WILL QUICKLY TURN TO WHAT'S NEXT FOR ME. TWO POSSIBILITIES WIDELY SPECULATED ON. >> IMPACT THE COUNTRY THROUGH THE CABINET, THE SENATE, THAT'S WHAT WE TURN TO AFTER NOVEMBER. >> WE APPRECIATE YOU TALKING WITH US. JOINING US NOW, SOMEONE WHO SHARED THE DEBATE STAGE WITH, HARRIS AND HAS A VAST THE DIFFERENT OPINION THAN WHO WE JUST SPOKE TO. BEFORE THAT HE SERVED AS THE SECRETARY OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT UNDER PRESIDENT OBAMA AS WELL AS THE MAYOR OF SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. HE IS NOW AN NBC NEWS POLITICAL ANALYST. THANK YOU

FOR JOINING US AND JOINING OUR SPECIAL COVERAGE HERE. VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS GOES THROUGH THE DEBATE LOSING ON A COUPLE OF ISSUES. THE ECONOMY, IMMIGRATION, VOTERS TRUST TRUMP MORE WITH THOSE. HOW DO THEY RESPOND WHEN HE GOES AFTER HER AT THIS POINT? >> I THINK TO HER CREDIT, IN HER BRIEF CAMPAIGN, ONE OF THE THINGS SHE HAS DONE IS CLOSE THE GAP WITH TRUMP ON ISSUES LIKE IMMIGRATION. IF YOU LOOK AT THE POLLING FROM OVER THE SUMMER WHEN PRESIDENT BIDEN WAS THE CANDIDATE TO NOW, THE GAP IS SMALLER AND SHE'S DONE THAT BY GOING ON OFFENSE,

TALKING ABOUT HOW SHE WOULD ENSURE THAT WE HAVE A SECURE BORDER, THAT WE HAVE A BORDER AT THE BORDER AND ON THE OTHER HAND ENSURING THAT WE HAVE A CITIZENSHIP FOR FOLKS WHO HAVE EARNED IT. SHE'S DONE BOTH OF THOSE THINGS AND SEEN HER NUMBERS ON IMMIGRATION GO UP. I THINK TONIGHT IS GOING TO BE ALL ABOUT TWO THINGS. ARTICULATING A VISION FOR THE FUTURE OF THE COUNTRY, SHE IS PUT THAT OUT OVER THE NEXT -- LAST FEW WEEKS. SHE ALSO HAS A GREAT AMERICAN DREAM PERSONAL SUCCESS STORY. AND SECONDLY, SHE NEEDS TO REMIND PEOPLE

ABOUT WHY THEY DIDN'T LIKE DONALD TRUMP IN THE FIRST PLACE. WHY HE LOST THE 2020 ELECTION. THE GOOD NEWS IS, AS I'VE SEEN FIRSTHAND ON THE DEBATE STAGE, SHE HAS A LOT OF POISE, A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE, AND SHE HAS THE WHEREWITHAL, I THINK, TO DO A GREAT JOB TONIGHT ON THE ISSUES AND THE PERSONAL STORY AND ON TAKING THE CASE TO DONALD TRUMP. >> YOU'VE OBVIOUSLY WON ELECTIONS AND YOU'VE DONE DEBATES. YOU BEEN OUT THERE ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL. VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS AND DEMOCRATS OF HAD A STRATEGY OF DOING JUST ONE MAJOR SITDOWN.

SHE HASN'T DONE A LOT OF TOWN HALLS, SHE'S DONE THE CONVENTION, SHE HAS CAMPAIGN RALLIES, BUT MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, IS THERE A DANGER IN THAT? BECAUSE YOU GET TO A DEBATE WHERE THERE'S NO SCRIPTING, THERE'S REALLY NOWHERE TO GO. YOU THINK SHE'LL BE OKAY ON THE DEBATE STAGE TONIGHT? >> ABSOLUTELY. I THINK SHE'S GOING TO DO GREAT. FIRST OF ALL SHE DOES HAVE PLENTY OF EXPERIENCE. SHE WAS THE D.A. OF SAN FRANCISCO, SHE WAS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IN CALIFORNIA, SENATOR FOR CALIFORNIA, CANDIDATE -- VICE PRESIDENT NOW, SHE HAS PLENTY OF EXPERIENCE IN HIGH-PRESSURE

ENVIRONMENTS. SHE IS AN EXCELLENT DEBATER. SOMEBODY WHO THINKS WELL ON HER FEET AND WHO CAN RESONATE WITH THE VOTERS. ONE THING YOU SAW VERY CLEARLY ESPECIALLY IN THAT VERY FIRST DEBATE THAT WE WITNESSED IN JUNE OF 2019 WAS SHE DOESN'T GET CAUGHT UP IN ALL OF THE BACK-AND-FORTH AND AT -- ANTICS OF HER OPPONENTS. SHE KNOWS HOW TO STAY LASER FOCUSED ON WHAT THE VOTERS ARE -- THAT'S USEFUL TONIGHT BECAUSE IF THERE'S ONE THING WE KNOW ABOUT DONALD TRUMP IT'S THAT HE TRIES TO DISTRACT. HE TRIES TO CREATE A -- INSULTING THE MODERATORS, HIS OPPONENTS

AND SOMETIMES INSULTING THE VOTERS. JUST TO DISTRACT THE VOTERS FROM THE FACT HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY POLICY KNOWLEDGE. HARRIS HAS TO MAKE SURE SHE STAYS FOCUSED ON WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW. FOCUS ON THE FUTURE AND REMIND THEM WHY THEY SAID NO TO TRUMP IN 2020. >> NEARLY 30% IN THE ELECTORATE SAY THEY DON'T -- THEY WANT TO KNOW MORE INFORMATION ABOUT HER. IS THAT A PLUS OR MINUS? >> THAT DEPENDS ON WHAT A CANDIDATE DOES WITH THAT. I THINK THE GOOD NEWS FOR HARRIS IS SHE HAS A VERY COMPELLING STORY. HERE IS THE

DAUGHTER OF HARD WORKING IMMIGRANTS WHO, HERSELF, BECAME A TRAILBLAZER AND HAS A GREAT TRACK RECORD SHE CAN RUN ON AS PART OF THE BIDEN HARRIS ADMINISTRATION. MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF NEW JOBS CREATED, MORE THAN ANY OTHER ADMINISTRATION IN MODERN HISTORY. BROUGHT US BACK FROM THE PANDEMIC. THEY ACTUALLY DID AN INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT FOR FOUR YEARS. THEY DID IT. BRINGING BACK AMERICAN MANUFACTURING. BRINGING THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE FROM OVER 6% TO 4%. THERE'S A GREAT STORY THERE. SHE JUST NEEDS TO TELL IT AND I THINK SHE CAN DO THAT EFFECTIVELY. AND CLOSE THAT GAP OF PEOPLE WHO SAY

THAT THEY WANT TO LEARN MORE OR THEY ARE NOT QUITE SURE. I THINK THAT IS GOING TO BE A POSITIVE FOR HER AS PEOPLE COME TO KNOW HER SHE'S GOING TO GAIN SUPPORT. >> WHAT DOES A VICTORY FOR HER TONIGHT LOOK LIKE? DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN TRYING TO LOWER THE BAR. DOES SHE SURVIVE OR DOES SHE HAVE TO GET SOME SHOTS AND AGAINST FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP? >> I THINK A VICTORY FOR HER TONIGHT IS TO BE ABLE TO ARTICULATE HER VISION FOR THE FUTURE. REMEMBER, WHAT PEOPLE WERE SAYING TWO MONTHS AGO WAS THAT THEY WERE NOT

SATISFIED WITH THEIR CHOICE. AS MUCH AS I LOVE PRESIDENT BIDEN, I THINK HE HAS BEEN A FANTASTIC RESIDENT, PEOPLE WERE SAYING, LOOK, WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT WITH BOTH FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP AND RESIDENT BIDEN. KAMALA HARRIS HAS THIS UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY OF A CHALLENGER AS THE NEW KID ON THE BLOCK, IF YOU WILL. BUT ALSO A TRACK RECORD OF EXPERIENCE. I THINK A WIN FOR HER TONIGHT IS REALLY THE ABILITY FOR HER TO SAY HOW SHE'S GOING TO LIFT UP THE MIDDLE CLASS, HOW SHE'S GOING TO CONTINUE -- UNDER THE BIDEN HARRIS

ADMINISTRATION AND ALSO ARTICULATING NEW VISIONS FOR THE FUTURE OF THE COUNTRY. SHE CAN DO THAT AND STAY FOCUSED ON WHAT THE VOTERS WANT TO KNOW AND HERE INSTEAD OF GETTING CAUGHT UP IN DONALD TRUMP'S ANTICS, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A WIN. >> FORMER SECRETARY LEON CASTRO, ALWAYS GREAT TO SEE YOU. THANK YOU FOR JOINING OUR COVERAGE. WE ARE JOINED NOW BY OUR POLITICAL PRO, -- DON CALLOWAY, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST AND A REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST AND CHAIR OF THE METROPOLITAN REPUBLICAN CLUB. WE THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. CHERYL, I WANT TO START WITH YOU. BUT

SOMETHING YOU ARE LOOKING FOR TONIGHT THAT MAYBE THE REST OF US WHO HAVEN'T COVERED HER FOR NEARLY A DECADE DON'T KNOW? >> TONIGHT I'M LOOKING FOR HOW DOES SHE GET ACROSS HER POLICY POSITION? HOW DOES SHE HELP THE AMERICAN PEOPLE KNOW HER AND CONNECT WITH HER. FOR A LONG TIME -- TALK ABOUT HER PERSONAL LIFE, TALK ABOUT HER FAMILY, HER PARENTS BUT ALSO HER HUSBAND AND STEPCHILDREN AND SO, THE MORE THAT SHE TALKS ABOUT HERSELF, THE MORE I'M REALLY SURPRISED. IT'S VERY NEW. >> IS SHE A GOOD DEBATER? I KNOW YOU ARE AN OBJECTIVE JOURNALIST

BUT HOW IS HER DEBATE RECORD? >> HER DEBATE RECORD IS PRETTY GOOD. SHE HAD SOME GAPS IN THE PAST AND SOMETHING I'M REPORTING ON RIGHT NOW FOR THE CHRONICLE IS -- IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS. >> POLICY POSITIONS OR EVERYTHING? >> NOT POLICY POSITIONS, MORE HOW DOES SHE TALKED TO VOTERS, HOW DOES SHE TALK ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL, WHAT MESSAGE, WHAT DOES SHE APPEAR, IS SHE CONFIDENT IN WHAT SHE IS SAYING? THAT SOMETHING I'M HEARING FROM A LOT OF LONGTIME STAFF. BUT THE THING THAT REALLY MATTERS TONIGHT IS TO UNDERSTAND WHO SHE IS. VOTERS DON'T

FEEL LIKE THEY KNOW HER. THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY SHE HAS. >> WE ARE HOURS AWAY FROM THE START. WHAT DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN TONIGHT? >> I THINK KAMALA HARRIS HAS TO MAKE IT A SHOW ABOUT HER AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT SOMEHOW FACILITATED THROUGH THE MODERATORS. SHE'S GOT TO TALK DIRECTLY TO THE PEOPLE TO INTRODUCE HERSELF BECAUSE NOBODY KNOWS THAT MUCH ABOUT ANY VICE PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY BUT ALSO TO TALK ABOUT HER VISION UNDER KAMALA HARRIS ADMINISTRATION AND WHAT KAMALA HARRIS'S AMERICA LOOKS LIKE. I THINK SHE WOULD BE BEST SUITED TO

NOT WRESTLE WITH THE ALLIGATOR THAT IS DONALD TRUMP. WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT BEHAVIOR HE'S GOING TO GET. VIVEK RAMASWAMY TRIED TO CLEAN IT UP BUT THERE IS NO INDICATION HE WILL ACT AS A CIVIL HUMAN BEING FOR THE NEXT 90 MINUTES. SO, HE HAS GOT TO FOCUS ON THE PEOPLE AND NOT BE CONCENTRATING ON THE BACK-AND-FORTH WITH THE CHAOS THAT HE WANTS TO INVITE AND REVEL IN. -- MAKE HIM IRRELEVANT. >> SEVERAL TIMES FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS GREAT DEBATES. YOU CAN GO BACK TO WHERE REPUBLICANS -- OTHER TIMES HE DEBATED SECRETARY CLINTON, WHEN HE

DEBATED FORMER VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN AND THEN PRESIDENT BIDEN. WHAT DO YOU THINK WERE GOING TO SEE? >> I THINK WE WILL SEE THE SAME DONALD TRUMP WE'VE ALWAYS SEEN. THE FIRST COUPLE MINUTES WILL BE INCREDIBLY PIVOTAL BUT WHEN IT COMES TO KAMALA HARRIS AND DIFFERENCES, YOU WILL SEE ON THE DEBATE STAGE TONIGHT, IT WILL BE STARK BECAUSE UNLIKE DONALD TRUMP,, IS RUNNING ON -- HER POLICY CONTINUOUSLY CHANGE UP UNTIL A FEW DAYS AGO WHEN SHE POSTED THEM ONLINE. WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT SHE STANDS FOR. IT'S VERY SCARY TO THINK THAT THIS IS ONE OF

THE FIRST EXTEMPORANEOUS INTERVIEWS WE'VE SEEN FROM HER ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL AND YOU HAVE TO HOLD HER TO ACCOUNT ON ALL OF HER POLICY POSITIONS IN DONALD TRUMP I BELIEVE WILL DO THAT. HE IS UP AGAINST ABC NEWS, I THINK HE WILL COME OUT STRONG BECAUSE HE IS AUTHENTIC, UNLIKE KAMALA, WHO WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT SHE STANDS FOR. SHE IS FAR MORE PROGRESSIVE THAN WHAT SHE CLAIMS TO BE NOW ESPECIALLY GIVEN BERNIE SANDERS -- PART OUT LOUD, SHE'S BASICALLY GOING TO BE DOING WHATEVER SHE CAN TO WIN THE ELECTION. >> ARE YOU SURPRISED SHE

HASN'T DONE MORE TOWN HALLS, MORE ENGAGEMENT WITH VOTERS, MORE INTERVIEWS? OR DO YOU THINK THIS IS THE STRATEGY YOU WOULD EXPECT OVER THE YEARS? >> THIS IS THE STRATEGY I WOULD EXPECT. I WOULD ALSO SAY, HER CAMPAIGN -- SHE DOES A LOT OF THEM. SHE DOES A LOT OF EVERY CITY THAT SHE TRAVELS TO, SHE GOES TO RALLIES AND ENDS UP STOPPING BY A LOCAL BUSINESS AND HAS INTERACTIONS AND THOSE INTERACTIONS ARE GOING MEGA VIRAL ON SOCIAL MEDIA. I THINK WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS WORKING. I AM SURE JOURNALISTS WOULD LOVE TO SEE HER TALKING

MORE ABOUT HER POLICY, TALKING ABOUT -- HELPFUL BUT THERE'S STILL A LOT THAT NEEDS TO BE TALKED ABOUT. >> YOU'VE GOT ONE OPPORTUNITY TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND HAVE A DIRECT CONVERSATION WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND THEN YOU CAN HAVE ALL THE TOWN HALLS YOU WANT BUT THIS IS YOUR NIGHT, GO OUT THERE AND KILL IT, MAKE HIM IRRELEVANT AND THAT WILL GET UNDER HIS SKIN MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE HE COULD DO. >> WE >> WE THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. THAT DOES IT FOR THIS HOUR OF THE COVERAGE OF THE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE. I'M TOM

LLAMAS. >>> TONIGHT, THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE GETS UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL. >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS AND FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP MEET IN PERSON FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER. AND IT'S ON THE DEBATE STAGE. >> OUR SPECIAL COVERAGE STARTS RIGHT NOW. ♪ >> A HISTORIC SHOWDOWN, JUST TWO MONTHS OUT FROM ELECTION DAY. >> DONALD TRUMP, AND KAMALA HARRIS, FACE TO FACE FOR THE FIRST TIME, TAKING ON EACH OTHER IN A DEBATE THAT COULD RE- SHAPE THE RACE. >> WE ARE GOING TO WIN BACK THE WHITE HOUSE. >> WE ARE NOT GOING BACK. >> THE CANDIDATES LOOKING TO MAKE

THEIR CASE TO VOTERS IN A SPRINT TO THE FINISH. >> WE WILL MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. >> WHEN WE FIGHT, WE WIN. >> WITH POLLS SHOWING A TIGHT RACE TONIGHT COULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE ON WHO WOULD BECOME THE NATION'S NEXT PRESIDENT. ♪ >> YOU ARE WATCHING NBC NEWS. HERE ARE LESTER HOLT AND SAVANNAH GUTHRIE. >>> WELCOME TO THE FIRST AND PERHAPS LAST DEBATE BETWEEN VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS AND FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP. >> EAGER TO GET STARTED. THIS WILL BE THE FIRST TIME THESE CANDIDATES HAVE EVER FACED EACH OTHER DIRECTLY ON THE DEBATE STAGE, NOTABLY AS

MENTIONED WE WILL SEE THIS WILL BE THE FIRST TIME THEY'VE EVER MET AFTER PRESIDENT TRUMP SKIPPED PRESIDENT BIDEN'S INAUGURATION. >> IS WILL BE HARASSED' FIRST PRESIDENTIAL BAIT. TONIGHT'S-- SURPRISES SHALL WE SAY. >> HARRIS SAYS SHE HAS BEEN PREPARING FOR DAYS WITH MOCK DEBATES IN PITTSBURGH COMPLETE WITH STAGE AND TV LIGHTING. ALONG WITH THE SAME STANDING USED IN 2016. >> THE FORMER PRESIDENT HAS HAD MORE INFORMAL DEBATE PREP SESSIONS AT HIS MAR-A-LAGO HOME, IN FLORIDA. >> TONIGHT AT THE PHILADELPHIA NATIONAL CONSTITUTION CENTER, IN A BATTLEGROUND OF PENNSYLVANIA. >> LIKE THE LAST DEBATE IN JUNE, THERE WILL

BE NO AUDIENCE IN THE VENUE, TONIGHT. IN THE CANDIDATES' MICROPHONES WILL BE MUTED WHILE THE OTHER ONE IS TALKING. >> FOR MORE ON WHAT'S AT STAKE LET'S BRING IN KRISTEN WELKER OF MEET THE PRESS, AND OUR SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT, HALLIE JACKSON. FIRST OF ALL THE LATEST POLLS SHOW THIS IS VERY TIGHT RIGHT NOW. >> A JUMP BALL, A DEAD HEAT, A VIRTUAL-- PICK YOUR CLICHE, THAT'S WHY THIS IS SO CRITICAL TONIGHT. AS WE LOOK AT VIEWERSHIP FIRST OF ALL, TENS OF MILLIONS MAY BE WATCHING. WE TALKED ABOUT THE CONVENTION BEING DISMISSED FOR PRIME TIME, HIGH

PROFILE VIEWERSHIP, TWICE AS MANY PEOPLE WATCHED THAT FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE WHEN IT WAS PRESIDENT BIDEN AGAINST FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP IN JUNE. WE ARE TALKING MAYBE 50 MILLION WATCHING THIS AND ABOUT 3 IN 10 AMERICANS SAY WHAT HAPPENS TONIGHT COULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND HOW THEIR DECISION-MAKING GOES FOR NOVEMBER. REE IN 10 SAY THEY NEED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT KAMALA HARRIS. 1 IN 10 SAY THE SAME ABOUT FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP. SO SPECIAL FOR THE VICE PRESIDENT IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TELL VOTERS WHO SHE IS AND DEFINED HERSELF BEFORE DONALD TRUMP DOES FOR HER. >> IF

THEY MATTER, THINK ABOUT WHERE WE WERE IN LATE JUNE. IT WAS BIDEN AND TRUMP IN THE RACE. WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT DEBATE. THE RULES SET FOR THAT DEBATE WILL GOVERN THIS DEBATE, KRISTIN, WHICH WE NOTED THE MORE NOTABLE ONES, THE OPPONENT'S MICROPHONE WILL BE NEEDED WHEN THE OTHER PERSON IS SPEAKING. WHO DO THESE RULES BENEFIT? >> HERE'S THE IRONY. WHEN PRESIDENT BIDEN WAS AT THE TOP OF THE CAMPAIGN THE CAMPAIGN ARGUED FOR THESE RULES, FOR MICROPHONES TO BE CUT. NOW IT IS VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS WHO IS ASKING TO UNMUTE THE MICROPHONES.

THEY SAY THEY WANT HER TO BE ABLE TO INTERJECT, TO FACT CHECK. AND HAVING THE MICROPHONES MUTED ALLOWS FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP, WHO SOMETIMES LIKES TO HAVE SOME CROSS TALK AND SAY THINGS UNDER HIS BREATH TO LOOK A BIT MORE PRESIDENTIAL. SO, THE QUESTION TONIGHT, I THINK OF OPTICS, BUT ALSO SUBSTANCE. FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP, WILL HE ENGAGE IN PERSONAL ATTACKS? ALLIES ARE URGING HIM TO STAY FOCUSED ON POLICY. VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS FOR ALL THE REASONS HALLIE MAPPED OUT, BECAUSE SO MANY STILL SAY THEY WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT HER, A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW

A HARRIS ADMINISTRATION WOULD DIFFER FROM A BIDEN ADMINISTRATION, AND SOME OF THOSE POLICY PIVOTS THAT WE SAW FROM WHEN SHE RAN FOR PRESIDENT IN 2019. >> THIS DEBATE IS TAKING PLACE IN PHILADELPHIA AT THE NATIONAL CONSTITUTION CENTER, HOSTED BY ABC NEWS. WE WILL CAST IT IN ITS ENTIRETY. TOM LLAMAS IS THERE IN THE SO- CALLED "SPIN ROOM." THIS IS WHERE SURROGATES GATHER BEFORE AND AFTER. SET THE SCENE FOR US, TOM. >> Reporter: WE ARE IN THE SPIN ROOM WHERE CAMPAIGN SURROGATES WILL BURST AND CLEANING THEY WON THE DEBATE. TEAM BIDEN TOOK SOME TIME TO ENTER

AFTER THAT DISASTROUS JUNE DEBATE AS THE CAMPAIGN WENT INTO DAMAGE CONTROL ABOUT 11 WEEKS AGO IN ATLANTA. WE HOPE TO EE CAMPAIGN MANAGERS, MAYBE CANDIDATES THEMSELVES, YOU NEVER KNOW. THE DEBATE IS BEING HELD AT THE NATIONAL CONSTITUTION CENTER. IT IS JUST ACROSS FROM INDEPENDENCE HALL AND THE LIBERTY BELL HERE, IN PHILADELPHIA, OF COURSE, IN A BATTLEGROUND STATE OF PENNSYLVANIA. LET'S TAKE YOU IN THE DEBATE HALL AND SHOW YOU WHERE THIS DEBATE WILL BE TAKING PLACE. SAVANNAH SPOKE ABOUT SOME OF THIS. THIS IS YOUR TRADITIONAL ONE ON ONE RESIDENTIAL DEBATE. FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL BE ON

THE LEFT SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN. VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS ON THE RIGHT. WE'LL EXPLAIN IN A MOMENT. THE DEBATE WILL BE ABOUT 90 MINUTES WITH TWO BRAKES. THERE WILL BE NO OPENING STATEMENTS. EACH CANDIDATE WILL BE GIVEN TWO MINUTES TO ANSWER THE MODERATOR'S QUESTIONS, TWO MINUTES FOR REBUTTALS, ONE MINUTE FOR FOLLOW-UPS IF NEEDED. FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP WON THE VIRTUAL COIN TOSS, SO HE HAS OPTED TO SPEAK LAST DURING THE CLOSING STATEMENTS, THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. BECAUSE OF THAT, VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS GOT TO CHOOSE HER POSITION WHICH AGAIN IS ON THE RIGHT HAND OF YOUR SCREEN. THERE ARE

A HANDFUL OF RULES TONIGHT. HE SPOKE ON A COUPLE. THEY ARE VERY IMPORTANT. MICROPHONES ARE MUTED WHEN THE OTHER CANDIDATE IS SPEAKING. THERE ARE JOURNALISTS OBSERVING THE DEBATE, KNOWN AS "THE POOL." NO INTERACTIONS WITH STAFF DURING BREAKS. CANDIDATES WILL BE GIVEN WATER AND A PEN OR PAPER. THERE WILL BE A TIMER ABOVE THE TIMELINE, SO THEY KNOW HOW MUCH TIME THEY HAVE READ YOU MAY NOTICE ANOTHER THING. CANDIDATES ARE NOWHERE NEAR THE SAME HEIGHT. THE PODIUMS WILL BE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, AND SOMETHING TO LOOK OUT FOR, THE FIRST FEW SECONDS OF THIS DEBATE, HERE'S WHY. THIS

WILL BE THE FIRST TIME BOTH CANDIDATES MEET EACH OTHER FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, OR AS THE KIDS SAY SAVANNAH AND LESTER, IRL. >> "IN REAL LIFE," FOR THE OLD FOLKS HERE AT HOME. >>> JOINING US NOW, GARRETT, I KNOW YOU HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK TO THE FORMER PRESIDENT TODAY. WHAT WAS YOUR TAKE AWAY? >> Reporter: YEAH, LESTER, THE FORMER PRESIDENT SEEMED TO BE IN A GOOD MOOD. HE WAS EAGER TO GET TO THE STAGE AFTER WHAT WAS AN INTENSE LAST COUPLE DAYS OF PREPARATION I'M TOLD. HE'S WEEKS OF PREPARATION WERE LESS STRUCTURED CERTAINLY

THAN WHAT THE VICE PRESIDENT HAD BEEN DOING. I ASKED WHAT WOULD BE THE CHALLENGES OF DEBATING THE VICE PRESIDENT. HE TALKED TO ME ABOUT THE FACT HE BELIEVES HER POLICY POSITIONS HAVE CHANGED IN A WAY THAT MAKES IT HARD FOR HIM TO KNOW WHAT SHE WILL DEFEND, AND WHAT SHE WANTS. THE CAMPAIGN SOLUTION THEY TELL ME FOR THAT IS TO TAKE WHATEVER THEY THINK IS THE MOST LIBERAL, THE MOST OUT OF THE MAINSTREAM POSITION OF THE VICE PRESIDENT AND ARGUED THAT'S HER REAL POSITION REGARDLESS OF WHAT SHE SAYS ON THE DEBATE STAGE. AND I SAY

THAT IS THE PLAN, BECAUSE AS ALWAYS WITH DONALD TRUMP, I THINK THERE IS THE PLAN, AND WHAT HE DECIDES TO DO ON THE FLY, ON THE DEBATE STAGE HERE TONIGHT. SOMETHING NONE OF HIS ADVISERS CAN TELL US FOR SURE. >> HAAKE, THANKS VERY MUCH. >> WE ARE JOINED BY COCHAIR OF THE FORMER PRESIDENT'S CAMPAIGN, AND OF COURSE SHE IS HIS DAUGHTER-IN-LAW. GOOD EVENING, LARA TRUMP. GOOD TO SEE YOU. >> WHO KNOWS WHAT TIME IT IS ANYMORE. >> JUST LIKE A CASINO, THERE ARE NO CLOCKS. LET'S PICK UP WHERE GARRETT LEFT OFF. A LOT OF ADVISERS

HAVE SAID TO YOUR FATHER-IN-LAW, BEHAVE YOURSELF, JUST PLAY IT STRAIGHT, DON'T BE THE TRUTH SOCIAL DONALD TRUMP, BE THE GUY THAT LOOKS RESIDENTIAL. IS THAT THE ADVICE YOU'VE GIVEN HIM? WILL HE TAKE IT? >> WELL, HE TOOK IT ON JUNE 27th IN THE DEBATE AGAINST JOE BIDEN, AND I THINK IF ANYBODY HAD ANY QUESTION, HOW CAN DONALD TRUMP PERFORM IN A DEBATE? THAT WAS A KNOCKOUT PUNCH. DONALD TRUMP HAS BEATEN JOE BIDEN WHO IS NO LONGER THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE. WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO, SAVANNAH, WHENEVER HE GOES INTO THIS DEBATE THIS EVENING THIS IS ABOUT

TALKING ABOUT HOW THE AMERICAN PEOPLE'S LIVES WERE WHILE HE WAS IN OFFICE AND HOW THEIR LIVES ARE RIGHT NOW, AND HE HAS TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE REMINDED KAMALA HARRIS HAS HAD THE OPPORTUNITY FOR NEARLY 4 YEARS TO DO A HOST OF THINGS, MANY OF THEM IN THE PAST SEVERAL WEEKS. THE QUESTION IS WHY DO YOU HAVE TO WAIT? WHY AREN'T YOU DOING THESE THINGS NOW? AND HE HAS TO EXPOSE KAMALA HARRIS FOR WHO SHE IS. AMERICA BY AND LARGE DOES NOT KNOW HER. SHE'S DONE ONE INTERVIEW THUS FAR. I THINK HE'S GOING TO BE

CALM, COOL, AND COLLECTED. I THINK ONE THING, EVERYONE WILL BE IMPRESSED TONIGHT. >> BOTH SIDES WILL CLAIM VICTORY, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY INTERNALLY, WHAT IS A HOME RUN FOR DONALD TRUMP TONIGHT? >> I THINK IT IS HIM HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE DIRECTLY WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND TRULY CALL OUT KAMALA HARRIS FOR SOME OF HER RADICAL PAST, SHE HAS SEEMED TO CHANGE HER TUNE VERY RECENTLY ON A LOT OF THINGS, AND IT DOES BEG THE QUESTION, WHO IS KAMALA HARRIS, AND WHAT IS HER PLAN FOR THE FUTURE OF THIS COUNTRY? I

THINK IF HE LAYS OUT WHAT HE DID WHILE HE WAS PRESENT FOR FOUR YEARS AND WHAT HE PLANS TO DO TO FIX THE DAMAGE FRANKLY KAMALA HARRIS AND JOE BIDEN HAVE CAUSED IN THIS COUNTRY, I THINK THAT IS A GREAT SUCCESS, AND I THINK THAT WE WILL SEE THAT HAPPEN TONIGHT. >> NIKKI HALEY WHO WAS A RIVAL OF YOUR FATHER-IN-LAW'S IN THE PRIMARY, SAID THAT PART OF THE REASON THAT DONALD TRUMP IS TRAILING AMONG WOMEN VOTERS IN PARTICULAR, VOTERS HE VERY MUCH NEED TO PREVAIL IN THIS ELECTION IS BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT HE AND

HIS RUNNING MATE, JD VANCE, SPEAK TO WOMEN. SHE SAID, WHEN YOU CALL EVEN A DEMOCRAT WOMAN DUMB REPUBLICAN WOMEN GET THEIR BACKS UP TOO. STICK TO THE POLICIES, LEAVE ALL THE OTHER STUFF. IT'S INTERESTING, BECAUSE HE KNOWS HOW TO BE CALM, COOL, AND COLLECTED ON THE DEBATE STAGE, BUT AT THIS POINT FOR BETTER OR WORSE, VOTERS KNOW HIM, THEY KNOW WHAT HE SAYS ON TRUTH SOCIAL, HE KNOWS THE NAMES AND INNUENDO I COULD NOT EVEN REPEAT HERE ON-AIR THAT HE MAKES ABOUT HIS OPPONENT HERE. SO, HOW DOES THAT LAY INTO YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT THIS ELECTION?

>> WELL, LISTEN, I THINK DONALD TRUMP IS INCREDIBLY TRANSPARENT, AND I BELIEVE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR A LEADER IN THIS COUNTRY. LOOK, WE HAD 3 1/2 YEARS, SAVANNAH, OF PEOPLE SAYING WHAT'S GOING ON WITH JOE BIDEN? AND KAMALA HARRIS WAS ONE OF THE MANY PEOPLE WHO LIED ABOUT HIS . WE NEED TRANSPARENCY IN OUR LEADERS, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO LOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT DONALD TRUMP. HE HIMSELF SAID YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIKE ME, BUT WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT SOMEONE WHO WILL HAVE THE POLICIES THAT'S GOING TO MAKE YOUR LIFE LESS EXPENSIVE, THAT'S

GOING TO SECURE OUR SOUTHERN BORDER, THAT'S GOING TO KEEP US SAFE, THAT IS GOING TO GET US OUT OF WARS, NOT INTO WARS, THOSE ARE THE POLICIES PEOPLE NEED TO HEAR ABOUT, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT POLICY-- THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON. >> JUST TO BE CLEAR THAT POLICY DEBATE ABSOLUTELY IS FAIR GAME. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE STUFF HE PUTS ON TRUTH SOCIAL, LIKE A SEXUAL INNUENDO ABOUT HOW SHE MAINTAINED HER POSITION IN POLITICS, THE KIND OF THING. >> WELL, DONALD TRUMP IS VERY GOOD LOOKING, HE WILL BE THE FIRST TO TELL YOU

THAT. BUT, I REALLY ULTIMATELY THINK THAT, WHENEVER PEOPLE ARE MORE FOCUSED ON THAT THAN THEY ARE THEIR EVERYDAY LIFE I THINK THAT IS A HARD THING TO TRY AND SELL TO PEOPLE WHENEVER THEY GO TO THE GROCERY STORE, AND THEY CAN BUY AS MUCH FOR THEIR FAMILIES. WHENEVER THEY FILL THEIR GAS TANK, AND I CAN'T FILL IT UP AS MUCH ULTIMATELY, I THINK THAT ELECTIONS COME DOWN TO KITCHEN TABLE ISSUES, AND AGAIN, YOU DON'T TO LOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT HIM, YOU MIGHT NOT WANT TO HANG OUT WITH DONALD TRUMP, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR LIFE

IN THE FUTURE FOR THIS COUNTRY YOU KNOW BETWEEN THESE TWO INDIVIDUALS YOU CANNOT SURVIVE FOUR MORE YEARS OF WHAT THIS COUNTRY HAS JUST BEEN THERE, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT A KAMALA HARRIS ADMINISTERS AND WOULD MEAN. DONALD TRUMP'S POLICIES WORK, THEY KEPT US SAFE, AND HE WILL DO IT AGAIN WITH FOUR MORE YEARS IN THE WHITE HOUSE. >> LARA TRUMP, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING US THE LATEST. GARRETT, WHAT'S THE VIEW? >> Reporter: LESTER, LET'S AGAIN WITH NEW REPORTING IN TO NBC NEWS. THREE PEOPLE FAMILIAR WITH THE CONVERSATIONS, KAMALA HARRIS AND THE FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE, HILLARY

CLINTON , THE 2016 DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE, WE LEARNED, HAVE SPOKEN WITHIN THE LAST SEVERAL DAYS. WHERE CLINTON PROVIDED HARRIS ADVICE AND GUIDANCE AS THE ONLY OTHER WOMAN TO DO A DEBATE LIKE THIS ONE ON ONE WITH DONALD TRUMP. AMONG THAT ADVICE WE ARE TOLD SPECIFICALLY THAT CLINTON TOLD HARRIS THAT TRUMP MAY TRY TO BAIT HER DURING THE COURSE OF THE CONVERSATION AS WE NOTICED AND SPECIFICALLY SAID IF THAT HAPPENS THAT SHE SHOULD TURN IT BACK ON DONALD TRUMP HIMSELF AND TRY TO PROVOKE HIM DIRECTLY. ONE THING TO KEEP AN EYE ON IS THAT WE ANTICIPATE THESE

TWO ONSTAGE A SHORT TIME FROM NOW. CLINTON AND HARRIS HAVE SPOKEN OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST FEW MONTHS SEVERAL TIMES. WE WILL HEAR FROM THOSE IN AND AROUND THE CAMPAIGN FOR THIS DEBATE TELLING US, AMONG OTHER THINGS, THAT SHE HAD A SERIES OF MOCK DEBATE SESSIONS IN PITTSBURGH. THEY HAD TB LIGHTING SO SHE COULD HAVE THE EXPERIENCE, THAT SHE HAS WATCHED DEBATE CLIPS OF TRUMP IN THE PAST TO PREPARE HERSELF FOR WHAT TO ANTICIPATE NOW. WE ARE HEARING FROM HER HUSBAND, THE FIRST SECOND GENTLEMEN OF THE UNITED STATES. HE IF SHE WINS WE HEARD

FROM HER IN THE FORM OF A TWEET, WHERE HE SAID IN PART, KAMALA , I CAN'T WAIT FOR EVERYONE TO SEE YOU IN ACTION TONIGHT. YOU'VE GOT THIS, AND I GOT YOU. SHE WAS READY, YOU COULD SEE IT IN HER EYES. HER CAMPAIGN HOPES THIS EXPERIENCE AS A FORMER PROSECUTOR WILL BENEFIT HER TONIGHT THE SAME WAY SHE PROSECUTED SOME OF THOSE SUPREME COURT NOMINEES. BRETT KAVANAUGH, VERY READILY FAMILIAR AS PEOPLE LOOK TO HER EXPERIENCES, THAT SHE WILL BE ABLE TO PROSECUTE THE CASE AGAINST DONALD TRUMP TONIGHT. ALL THINGS TO KEEP AN EYE ON TONIGHT ON

A HISTORIC EVENING, IN PHILADELPHIA. >> PETER, THANK YOU. >>> GOVERNOR, IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU. 60% OF VOTERS IN A RECENT POLL SAID THEY WANT TO SEE CHANGE. KAMALA HARRIS IS THE INCUMBENT VICE PRESIDENT. HOW DO YOU MAKE THE ARGUMENT SHE IS CHANGED WHEN SHE'S BEEN IN OFFICE FOR 3 1/2 YEARS? >> WELL FIRST, THE RECORD THAT SHE AND JOE BIDEN HAVE ESTABLISHED AS VICE PRESIDENT AND PRESIDENT, CHANGE IS COMING WITH INVESTMENT IN HIGH SPEED INTERNET, FIGHTING PRESCRIPTION DRUG COSTS, EXPANDING HEALTH INSURANCE, INVESTING IN INFRASTRUCTURE. THOSE THINGS ARE LONG, GENERATIONAL INVESTMENTS THAT ARE CHANGING AMERICA.

AND THAT'S A GOOD THING. BUT SHE HAS ALSO LAID OUT HER OWN ECONOMIC PLAN. SHE SEES THAT PEOPLE ARE FACING HIGHER COSTS. SHE UNDERSTANDS CHILDCARE, UNLIKE DON-- JD VANCE WHO THINKS THE GRANDPARENTS AND UNCLES AND AUNTS SHOULD LOOK AFTER CHILDREN. SHE WANTS TO REINSTATE THE CHILD CARE TAX CREDIT IF YOU WANT TO HELP SMALL BUSINESSES INSTEAD OF THE CORPORATIONS. SO, I THINK SHE CAN LEAD TONIGHT, SHE CAN LEAD WITH HER PATH FOR A NEW WAY FORWARD, AND REALLY BRING A LOT OF PEOPLE, WHO HAVE BEEN UNAFFECTED, THOSE WHO HAVEN'T VOTED THE LAST FEW TIMES, I

THINK SHE CAN EXCITE THEM. HISTORY WILL BE MADE THIS YEAR, AND NORTH CAROLINA VOTED FOR BARACK OBAMA IN 2008. WE WILL VOTE FOR KAMALA HARRIS IN 2024, AND MAKE HISTORY AGAIN. >> GOVERNOR, IN A RECENT INTERVIEW HARRIS SEEMED TO SHRUG OFF THE PERSONAL ATTACKS DONALD TRUMP HAS LEVIED HER WAY, CALLING IT FROM THE PLAYBOOK OF THE PAST, WILL SHE HAVE TO TAKE ON THESE THINGS DIRECTLY IN THIS DEBATE SETTING TONIGHT? >> WELL, IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE THAT IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL HIS WORD SALAD AND LIES WHICH WE KNOW ARE COMING, WHETHER HE

HURLS INSULTS AT HER WHILE SHE IS THERE IN-PERSON, WE WILL SEE IF HE DOES. I WOULD SUSPECT THAT SHE WILL BRUSH THEM OFF PRETTY QUICKLY AND GET TO PUTTING MEAT ON THE BONES OF HER POLICY, TELLING THE COUNTRY ABOUT THE DIRECTION SHE WANTS TO TAKE IT, MAKING SURE THAT WE SHORE UP THE MIDDLE CLASS, MAKING SURE THAT THE TAX BREAKS TO THE MIDDLE CLASS, AND NOT THE BILLIONAIRE FRIENDS OF DONALD TRUMP. SHE IS GOING TO DISTINGUISH HERSELF FROM DONALD TRUMP IN A STRONG WAY. AND I THINK THOSE INSULTS, WHETHER THEY COME OR NOT ON THE

STAGE, SHE WILL GO RIGHT PAST THEM AND MAKE SURE SHE IS STICKING TO THE ISSUES AMERICAN PEOPLE CARE ABOUT. >> INTERESTING YOU SAY THAT. THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN RELEASED AN ADVERTISEMENT SEEMING TO WANT TO GO TO DONALD TRUMP AND GOAD HIM. LET ME ROLL A PORTION OF THIS. >> HERE IS A 70-YEAR-OLD BILLIONAIRE, WHO HAS NOT STOPPED WHINING ABOUT HIS PROBLEMS. >> SHE HAD A BIG CROWD-- >> THIS WEIRD OBSESSION WITH CROWD SIZES-- >> INTERESTING, BECAUSE EVERYBODY SAYS WHEN, THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT POLICY, THEN EVERYONE GETS DOWN IN THE DIRT A LITTLE BIT, AND THAT

TURNS VOTERS OFF. WHY IS THIS EFFECTIVE? AND ARE YOU SURE IT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE PEOPLE THINK THIS IS JUST MORE OF THE SAME? >> WELL LOOK, THERE ARE A LOT OF ADS IN THIS CAMPAIGN, AND A LOT OF THEM ARE ABOUT HER POLICIES, AND HER BACKGROUNDS. SHE'S NOT GOING TO LET THIS DISTRACT HER. SHE'S NOT GOING TO TAKE ANY CRAP FROM DONALD TRUMP ON THAT STAGE TODAY. SHE'S GOING TO MAKE SURE SHE GETS HER POINTS ACROSS. SHE'S NOT GOING TO BE DISTRACTED BY THE NAME-CALLING. I THINK IT IS TURNING OFF AMERICA, AND IT MAY

BE ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN CHOSE TO RUN SUCH AN AD REMINDING PEOPLE REALLY THIS IS WHAT DONALD TRUMP IS ALL ABOUT. IT'S ALL ABOUT HIM AND HIS NARCISSISM, AND EVERY DECISION HE MAKES COMES BACK TO WHETHER IT WILL ADVANTAGE HIM OR NOT. AND WHEN KAMALA HARRIS TALKS ABOUT HOW SHE GETS UP EVERY MORNING WANTING TO GO DO GOOD FOR THE MAC AND PEOPLE I THINK PEOPLE WILL SEE THE DIFFERENCE. THIS IS A RACE ABOUT CHARACTER, TOO. THIS IS A RACE ABOUT THE SOUL OF OUR COUNTRY, AND PEOPLE WILL BE MAKING THIS

DECISION. THIS DEBATE WILL BE A TIME FOR PEOPLE TO MAKE DECISIONS. I'M HOPING WE CAN BRING IN PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT BEEN INVOLVED THAT MUCH IN A PROCESS IN THE PAST. MORE THAN HALF OF OUR VOLUNTEERS THE FIRST COUPLE WEEKS IN NORTH CAROLINA WERE FIRST-TIME. GO TO KAMALAHARRIS.COM AND KENTUCKY TO THE CAMPAIGN. WE THINK TONIGHT WILL BE A BIG NIGHT. >> GOVERNOR, THANK YOU OR YOUR TIME. >>> BACK TO POLITICS IN A SECOND. BUT WE HAVE BREAKING NEWS IN THE SOUTH WE ARE FOLLOWING, WHERE FRANCINE JUST STRENGTHENED INTO A CATEGORY ONE HURRICANE. THAT STORM BARRELING

TOWARDS TEXAS AND LOUISIANA WITH LIFE- THREATENING CONDITIONS EXPECTED ALONG THE GULF COAST. FRANCINE EXPECTED TO MAKE LANDFALL TOMORROW WITH THE NEW ORLEANS METRO AREA UNDER A HURRICANE WATCH. AL ROKER IS TRACKING THE STORM. >> WE ARE LOOKING FOR SOME VERY SERIOUS WEATHER OVER THE NEXT 48 HOURS ALONG THE GULF RIGHT NOW IT'S 350 MILES SOUTHWEST OF MORGAN CITY, LOUISIANA. 75-MILE-PER-HOUR WINDS COME A BARELY CATEGORY 1. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HURRICANE WARNINGS RIGHT NOW THROUGHOUT MUCH OF LOUISIANA, NEW ORLEANS UNDER HURRICANE WATCH. SOMETIME TOMORROW AROUND 5:00, 6:00 WE ARE EXPECTING THE WORST CONDITIONS FROM 6:00 P.M.

INTO THURSDAY AT 2:00 A.M. 3-6 RAIN TOTALS AND ISOLATED TORNADOES AS WELL. AS THE SYSTEM PUSHES ONSHORE, THE IMPACTS, BATON ROUGE COULD SEE 95-MILE-PER-HOUR WIND GUSTS. THESE WINDS, WE ARE LOOKING AT DAMAGE TO HOMES AND WITH THAT WIND THE DANGERS, THIS IS WHERE THE MOST DEADLY EFFECT IS. THE STORM SURGE FROM CENTRAL LOUISIANA TO GRAND ISLE, ABOUT 10 FEET OF SEARCH. 4-7P. 3-05 FEET IN NEW ORLEANS, AND HEAVY RAIN. THIS AREA HAS SEEN A LOT OF RAIN IN THE LAST SEVEN DAYS. 2-4 INCHES FALLING PER HOUR, THAT WILL MEAN SEVERE FLOODING. STORM TOTALS, UPWARD OF

12 INCHES ALONG THE SOUTHERN GULF. INTO THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER VALLEY 3-5 INCHES. THE ONLY SILVER LINING IS THAT THE WATER LEVELS FOR THE MISSISSIPPI ARE DOWN. THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT SHIPPING, SO THIS COULD HELP, BUT THOSE FOLKS ALONG THE GULF ARE IN HARM'S WAY. >> AL, THANK YOU. >>> STILL AHEAD TONIGHT WE WILL SHOW YOU THE BIGGEST DEBATE MOMENTS FROM KAMALA HARRIS AND DONALD TRUMP AS THEY GEAR UP TO DEBATE EACH OTHER AND MEET IN PERSON FOR THE FIRST TIME. IT'S COMING UP IGHT AFTER THIS ♪ >>> WE ARE TALKING POSSIBLY A TRILLION GALAXIES? >>

YES. >> THAT IS A NUMBER THAT IS JUST SO HARD TO COMPUTE. >> WHETHER IT'S THE MOON, WHETHER IT'S MARS, IT FEELS LIKE WE ARE ON THE CUSP OF SOMETHING BIG. >>> HI, EVERYBODY. THIS IS OUR SPECIAL COVERAGE OF TONIGHT'S PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE BETWEEN VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS AND FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP. WE WILL BRING THAT DEBATE TO YOU LIVE IN ITS ENTIRETY ONCE IT BEGINS. >> THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THESE TWO CANDIDATES HAVE APPEARED ON THE SAME STAGE, THEY HAVE NEVER DEBATED EACH OTHER BEFORE TONIGHT. AND THEY HAVE NEVER EVEN MET. WHAT CAN WE EXPECT?

WE HAVE A CLOSER LOOK AT THEIR BIGGEST MOMENTS FROM PAST DEBATES AND WHAT THAT COULD TELL US ABOUT WHAT WE COULD SEE TONIGHT. >> HALLIE JACKSON HAS BEEN WALKING DOWN MEMORY LANE WITH THE ARCHIVES. >> AND IT'S QUITE A FASCINATING WALK, SAVANNAH AND LESTER. THIS WILL BE THEIR FIRST MEETING AND DEBATE EVER. BUT IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME EITHER HAS STEPPED ON A DEBATE STAGE. SOME OF THE MOST MEMORABLE MOMENTS FROM THE PAST PERHAPS PROVIDING SOME CLUES FOR TONIGHT. TONIGHT, THE FIRST FACE-OFF BETWEEN TWO CANDIDATES WITH DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT STYLES, AND DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE. FOR VICE PRESIDENT

HARRIS, HER FIRST TIME STEPPING INTO THIS KIND OF GENERAL ELECTION SPOTLIGHT AFTER MEMORABLE MOMENTS IN PRIMARY AND VP DEBATES. >> MR. VICE PRESIDENT, I'M SPEAKING. I'M SPEAKING. >> HARRIS, NO STRANGER TO THE STAGE FROM EARLY IN HER CAREER TO HER SENATE RUN IN 2016, WHEN HER OPPONENT AWKWARDLY DABBED. >> SO THERE'S A CLEAR DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CANDIDATES IN THIS RACE, AND I THINK THE VOTERS WILL MAKE THAT DECISION. >> ARGUING HER EXPERIENCE HELPED SHAPE HER ARGUMENTS. >> CLEARLY IT HASN'T WORKED. >> AND HARRIS DRAWING ON HER PERSONAL BACKGROUND, LIKE IN THEIR EXCHANGE IN THE 2020

PRIMARY WITH HER FUTURE BOSS. >> YOU ALSO WORKED WITH THEM TO OPPOSE BUSING, AND YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LITTLE GIRL IN CALIFORNIA WHO WAS PART OF THE SECOND CLASS TO INTEGRATE HER PUBLIC SCHOOLS, AND SHE WAS BLESSED TO SCHOOL EVERY DAY. AND THAT LITTLE GIRL WAS ME. >> BUT, HARRIS HAS HAD TO PLAY DEFENSE, LIKE IN ANOTHER DEBATE THAT CYCLE ACCUSED OF HYPOCRISY FOR SHIFTING TO A MORE PROGRESSIVE POSITION IN A CROWDED PRIMARY. >> THERE ARE TOO MANY EXAMPLES TO SIDE, BUT SHE PUT OVER 1500 PEOPLE IN JAIL FOR MARIJUANA VIOLATIONS AND LEFT ABOUT

IT WHEN SHE WAS ASKED IF SHE EVER SMOKED MARIJUANA-- >> FOR HIS PART, MR. TRUMP HAS MORE DEBATE EXPERIENCE AS A PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE. SIX IN ALL, MOST RECENTLY IN JUNE, A SHOWDOWN THAT ULTIMATELY ENDED PRESIDENT BIDEN'S PRESIDENTIAL RUN. >> WE SAW HIM BEAT MEDICAID TO DEATH. >> NOTABLE, JUST AS MUCH FOR WHAT MR. TRUMP DIDN'T SAY, WHEN ASKED IF HE WOULD CONDEMN WHITE SUPREMACISTS. >> I'M WILLING TO DO ANYTHING. >> THE DO IT, SIR, DO IT, SAY IT. >> YOU WHAT YOU WANT TO CALL THEM? >> WHITE SUPREMACISTS-- >> WHY-- PROUD BOYS STAND BACK AND

STAND BY. >> IN 2016, 84 MILLION VIEWERS, THE MOST EVER. LATER THE TWO SPARRING OVER FOREIGN POLICY AND VLADIMIR PUTIN. >> HE WOULD RATHER HAVE A PUPPET AS PRESIDENT. AND IT'S PRETTY CLEAR-- >> MR. TRUMP MEMORABLY LOOMING BEHIND HIS OPPONENT ON STAGE, AND OTHER POINTS, DELIVERING PERSONAL ATTACKS. AND EARLIER IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARIES, RESPONDING TO A CROSS INSULT ABOUT THE SIZE OF HIS HANDS. >> LOOK AT THOSE HANDS, ARE THEY SMALL HANDS? I GUARANTEE YOU THERE IS NO PROBLEM. >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS HOPING TO MAKE GOOD ON PAST PLEDGES. >> I WILL WIPE THE FLOOR

WITH HIM. >> IT'S FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP WHO WILL GET THE LAST WORD. >> WE WILL MAKE IT GREAT AGAIN. >> NOW SOME OF THOSE MOMENTS THAT YOU JUST SAW MAY BE MITIGATED BY THE RULES WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IN TONIGHT'S DEBATE. THINK ABOUT MICROPHONES MUTATED WHEN THE OTHER IS SPEAKING, THAT MAY CUT DOWN ON INTERRUPTIONS, IF YOU WILL. THERE'S THE RULE THAT EACH CANDIDATE MUST STAY BEHIND THEIR MICROPHONE, NO STAGE WANDERING LIKE 2016. >> THANKS, HALLIE. FOR MORE ON WHAT TO EXPECT LET'S BRING IN FORMER WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY JEN PSAKI, AND HOGAN, GOOD TO

HAVE YOU BOTH WITH US. DEMOCRATS WERE RATTLED BY THE LATEST POLL NUMBERS WITH "THE NEW YORK TIMES." IS PART OF THE MISSION TO REASSURE VOTERS ALL IS WELL? >> I THINK IT IS PART OF THE MISSION, BUT THE OTHER PART IS TO THINK ABOUT THAT 28% IN THAT SAME POLL OF PEOPLE WHO WANT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT HER. SO, IT'S TRICKY ABOUT THIS, IF YOU ARE THE VICE PRESIDENT. DEMOCRATS OUT THERE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO EVISCERATE DONALD TRUMP. THEY MIGHT AND OTHER DEMOCRATS WHO MIGHT BE ROOTING FOR THAT. THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT STRATEGY FOR

THE TOTALITY OF THIS DEBATE. THAT 20% WHO WANT MORE INFORMATION, WHO WANT TO KNOW MORE ON HER POSITIONS, THAT MAY NOT BE WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR. >> SHE HAS THE MOST TO GAIN OR LOSE, BECAUSE SHE HAS 30% OF THE ELECTORATE THAT IS CURIOUS. HOGAN, IS A BRING YOU IN, DONALD TRUMP, IT'S A VERY CALCIFIED SET IN STONE OPINION. SOME LOVE HIM, SOME DO NOT LOVE HIM. WHAT IS HIS NUMBER-ONE TONIGHT >> I THINK WHAT HE'S GOING TO TRY AND DO IS MAKE PEOPLE REMEMBER HIS RECORD WHILE HE WAS PRESIDENT AND WHAT KAMALA HARRIS

WILL TRY AND DO IS MAKE PEOPLE FORGET HER RECORD AS VICE PRESIDENT. DOUBLE MEMBER THEY CAN AFFORD GAS AND GROCERIES-- SOUTHERN BORDER POLICY, SO HE'S GOT TO REMIND PEOPLE OF THAT. HE'S GOT TO EXPOSE HER RADICAL RECORD AT THE SAME TIME, BUT HE NEEDS TO STAY ON-MESSAGE, HE NEEDS TO FOCUS ON WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CARRY CLOSE TO THEM. IN THE PACKAGE YOU GUYS JUST PLAYED, LOOK, SHE CALLED JOE BIDEN A RACIST AND A RAPIST BUT COULD NOT TURN THAT INTO SOMETHING SHE COULD PARLAY POSITIVE FOR HER CAMPAIGN. THE QUESTION IS WILL HE FOLLOW HER

DOWN THAT TRAIL? >> THE VICE PRESIDENT HAS THINGS TO REMIND THE PUBLIC IN TERMS OF HISTORY? >> ABSOLUTELY. ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IS THAT EVERY CANDIDATE WANTS TO E THE CHANGE CANDIDATE. YOU HAVE A FORMER PRESIDENT AND SITTING VICE PRESIDENT. SHE HAS TO FIGURE OUT ON THIS DEBATE STAGE HOW SHE CAN EMBRACE PART OF HER RECORD THAT PEOPLE MAY LIKE AND ALSO BUILD ON IT AND TELL PEOPLE THAT SHE'S GOING TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT-- >> SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE SAYING SHE HAS A HIGHER BAR. >> I THINK SHE HAS A HIGHER BAR, I THINK SHE HAS

HIGHER EXPECTATIONS. I'M NOT SURE LOOKING IN THE PAST IS WHAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR. WE KNOW THAT FROM EVERY ELECTION EVER PEOPLE WANT A FORWARD-LOOKING PLAN AND VISION. SO THE OTHER THING SHE NEEDS TO DO IS TELL PEOPLE WHAT SHE'S GOING TO DO. >> HAS SHE MADE IT UNNECESSARILY HARD ON HERSELF IN THIS MOMENT, SHE HAS NOT DONE MUCH OFF-THE-CUFF UNSCRIPTED-- SHE'S DONE ONE INTERVIEW SINCE BEING ELEVATED TO THE TOP OF THE TICKET. DOES THAT RATCHET UP THE STAKES WHEN THEY DON'T NEED TO BE UP ANY HIGHER? >> I THINK THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE IS THAT

SHE'S NEVER MET HIM BEFORE OR INTERACTED WITH HIM BEFORE. AND SHE IS A STUDIOUS, AND THOROUGH PREPPER, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO LET GO OF THE BOOKS AND BE IN THE MOMENT. TRUMP IS NOT TRADITIONAL, AND IT REQUIRES A DIFFERENT MUSCLE. I DON'T THINK SHE'S PRACTICED THAT MUSCLE BEFORE. >> YEAH, QUICKLY, IT'S INTERESTING, BECAUSE YOU DO WANT TO LOOK IN THE FUTURE, NO DOUBT. THE PROBLEM WITH KAMALA HARRIS IS EVERY TIME SHE STARTS TO SAY I PROMISE YOU I WILL-- ON DAY ONE I'M GOING TO-- DONALD TRUMP CAN SAY BUT YOU ARE THE SITTING VICE

PRESIDENT RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN'T DO THOSE THINGS, OR YOU WON'T. EITHER WAY I DON'T THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BUY IT. >> YOU BOTH KNOW HIM WELL. LARA TRUMP SAID HE WILL BE CALM, COOL, COLLECTED, RAISE YOUR HAND IF HE WILL BE? >> LIKE ALWAYS-- HE'S ALWAYS CALM AND-- >> IS AT THE WORST THING THAT CAN HAPPEN TO KAMALA HARRIS? >> I'M NOT SURE THAT'S THE WORST THING, BUT I THINK SHE WILL HOPEFULLY NOT TAKE THE BAIT. I THINK THE CLINTON ADVICE IS GOOD. >> HOGAN AND JEN, THANK YOU BOTH. >>> STEVE KORNACKI

WILL BREAK DOWN WHERE THIS RACE STANDS. SPOILER ALERT, IT'S VERY TIGHT. AND, HOW MUCH IT COULD SHAKE UP THE DEBATE IN THE RACE FOR THE WHITE HOUSE. >>> WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN? >> IT'S GOING BACK AND FORTH TO BE COMPLETELY HONEST. >> AHEAD, NICE TO SEE YOU TONIGHT. >>> NEWS FOR THE GENERATION OF NOW IS NBC NEWS NOW. >>> WELCOME BACK TO OUR SPECIAL COVERAGE OF TONIGHT'S PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE BETWEEN VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, AND FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP . WE'LL BE BRINGING YOU THE DEBATE LIVE WHEN IT BEGINS IN LESS THAN 25 MINUTES. >> TONIGHT WILL

BE A CRITICAL MOMENT, AND IT COULD SHAKE UP WHAT MANY SEE AS A TIGHT RACE WITH LESS THAN TWO MONTHS TO GO BEFORE ELECTION DAY. >> STEVE KORNACKI IS WITH US AT THE BIG BOARD TO BREAK IT ALL DOWN. WHERE IS THIS GOING? >> CLOSE. AND WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT IS THE AVERAGE OF ALL OF THE MAJOR NATIONAL POLLS THAT ARE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW. HARRIS AT A 47%, 45% FOR TRUMP. OBVIOUSLY DEMOCRATS LIKE THE TWO-POINT LEAD, BUT SOME CONTEXT. TRUMP HAS RUN FROM BEHIND BOTH PREVIOUS TIMES. AT THE SAME .4 YEARS AGO DONALD

TRUMP WAS TRAILING JOE BIDEN BY 7.8 POINTS. THE SAME POINT IN 2016 IN >> Reporter: AVERAGE, TRUMP WAS TRAILING HILLARY CLINTON BY 4.5 POINTS. NOW IT'S ONLY 2. THIS IS CLOSER THAN HE HAS BEEN IN THE POLLING IN PREVIOUS ELECTIONS. AND THERE'S THIS, IN 2016, TRUMP LOST THE NATIONAL POPULAR VOTE TO CLINTON, WON IN THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE. TRUMP LOST THE POPULAR VOTE BY A WIDE MARGIN, ALMOST WON IN THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE. WILL THERE BE A GAP LIKE THAT AGAIN THAT WORKS FOR TRUMP'S FAVOR? THAT'S WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS. THE SEVEN

BATTLEGROUND STATES, AND POLL AVERAGE HERE, THE AVERAGE OF THE MAJOR POLLS IN THOSE STATES RIGHT NOW, AND YOU SEE THE HEADLINE OBVIOUSLY, THESE ARE VERY CLOSE MARGINS. HARRIS, 0.1 OF THE AVERAGE RIGHT NOW. TRUMP BY HALF A POINT IN GEORGIA. THESE ARE VERY CLOSE. ALTHOUGH, YOU TAKE A LOOK AND SEE ONE HERE THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT, WISCONSIN. HARRIS JUST OVER FOUR POINTS AHEAD ON AVERAGE IN WISCONSIN. THIS IS KEEP IN MIND, WISCONSIN, THE SOURCE OF THE SINGLE BIGGEST POLLING LIST IN 2020. JOE BIDEN WAS NEARLY 10 POINTS AHEAD, HE WON BY LESS THAN ONE POINT.

THE POLLING WAS OFTEN 2016 AS WELL. THERE WAS A BIG MISS IN MICHIGAN, TOO. BLUE-COLLAR WHITE POPULATIONS WERE TRUMP HAS RUN BIG NUMBERS THE POLLS DIDN'T SUFFICIENTLY CAPTURE THAT. IS THAT GOING TO BE THE DIFFERENT IN 2024, OR IS THERE MORE TRUMP SUPPORT THAN SHOWS IN THE POLLS? AND THEN YOU JUST SEE IN THIS COLUMN RIGHT HERE THE ELECTORAL VOTES, SEVEN CORE BATTLEGROUND STATES, WHERE'S TONIGHT'S DEBATE? THE FIRST AMONG EQUALS WHEN IT COMES TO BATTLEGROUND STATES, 19 ELECTORAL VOTES IN PENNSYLVANIA. MORE THAN ANY OTHER. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FUNCTIONALLY? IF YOU ARE ONE OF THESE

CAMPAIGNS, AND YOU LOSE PENNSYLVANIA, MATHEMATICALLY IF YOU WANT TO OFFSET THAT, YOU'VE GOT TO WIN AT LEAST TWO OTHERS TO MAKE UP FOR THE 19 YOU ARE LOSING OUT ON IN PENNSYLVANIA. THIS IS THE KING OF THE BATTLEGROUND STATES. >> TO BRING IT BACK, WEREN'T WE WAITING FOR PENNSYLVANIA? >> 11:30 SATURDAY IN 20 2020. >> THANK YOU. THIS SETS IT UP NICELY FOR OUR NEXT GUEST. WHAT DO VOTERS WANT TO HEAR FROM CANDIDATES? THEY ARE THE DECIDERS. KATE SNOW IS TALKING TO THOSE UNDECIDED SWING VOTERS. HI, KATE. >> Reporter: YEAH, SAVANNAH, WE ARE AT A

RESTAURANT IN BUCKS COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA, RIGHT OUTSIDE PHILADELPHIA. THIS IS A COUNTY THAT REALLY COULD BE PIVOTAL IN THE STATE OF PENNSYLVANIA. AS STEVE WAS SAYING IT COULD BE PIVOTAL, PENNSYLVANIA, COULD BE PIVOTAL FOR THE ELECTION. WE GATHERED THREE VOTERS WITH ME, THEY ARE ALL UNDECIDED VOTERS. EACH ONE OF YOU AS REGISTERED DIFFERENTLY. LYNN, REGISTERED REPUBLICAN AND REALTOR. HANNAH REED, INDEPENDENT AND MOM OF THREE, AND WE HAVE ANDREW WALLACE, REGISTERED DEMOCRAT AND OWNS THIS PLACE BY THE WAY. THE OWNER OF THE RESTAURANT. WHAT IS INTERESTING THOUGH, YOU ALL CANNOT DECIDE. AND, LYNN, YOU TOLD US YOU

FIND TRUMP-- REPREHENSIBLE? YOU DON'T LIKE THE GUY, BUT YOU FIND HARRIS, YOU SAID YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT SHE STANDS FOR. THAT SHE NEEDS TO EXPLAIN? WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR TONIGHT? >> FOR ME, THE-- ELECTION IS A DECISION BETWEEN-- ECONOMICS AND MORALS. I-- I LIKE SOME OF TRUMP'S ECONOMIC POLICIES-- I FIND HIM-- I FIND HIM ABHORRENT, QUITE FRANKLY, BECAUSE OF HIS MORALS, OR LACK THEREOF. BUT, SHE, I THINK IS TALKING A LOT OF FLUFF. SHE HASN'T SAID ANYTHING OF SUBSTANCE. I DON'T THINK SHE HAS THE EXPERIENCE OR THE-- WHEREWITHAL TO LEAD THIS COUNTRY OUT OF

THE ECONOMIC-- SITUATION THAT WE ARE IN-- >> I'M GOING TO NOTE ALL THREE OF YOU VOTED FOR TRUMP IN 2016, THEN CHANGED IN 2020. HANNAH, YOU SAID YOU ARE VERY FRUSTRATED GOING INTO THIS DEBATE. WHY QUACKS >> YES. THE ELECTION ITSELF IS NO LONGER ABOUT POLICIES, IT'S NO LONGER ABOUT THE REAL ISSUES IN THIS COUNTRY, LIKE THE ECONOMICS, OR THE INFLATION-- >> YOU DON'T LIKE THE NAME CALLING-- >> THE NAME-CALLING, I MEAN THE- - BACK AND FORTH-- IT'S-- IT IS ABOUT WHO CAN GET ONE OVER ON THE OTHER TO THE POINT WE ARE NOT PUSHING

POLICIES THROUGH JUST BECAUSE OF A PERSON THAT PUT IT THROUGH WAS FROM ANOTHER PARTY >> AND ENTER, LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT YOUR ISSUES. YOU LIKE SOME OF THE THINGS, YOUR BEGUN POLICY TRUMPS SUPPORTS, AND YOU'RE BIG ON POLICIES HARRIS SUPPORTS. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. WHAT YOU NEED TO HEAR TONIGHT? >> I FEEL LEFT BEHIND BY THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. HARRIS RECEIVED ZERO VOTES. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A SAY IN THE PRIMARY, AND THEY DID NOT GIVE ME THAT. I FEEL THAT THEY THINK THEY KNOW WHAT'S BEST FOR ME. HARRIS HASN'T SAID ANYTHING.

HARRIS' POLICIES, A LOT OF THEM JUST HAVE BEEN STOLEN FROM TRUMP, TAXES ON TIPS, PUTTING UP THE BORDER WALL. SHE HAS SAID NOTHING OF HER OWN, WITH HER OWN IDEAS. SO, I AM WAITING TO SEE ANYTHING FROM HER THAT IS AN ORIGINAL IDEA AND A STOLEN FROM THE OTHER CANDIDATES. >> ALL RIGHT, GUYS. WE WILL WATCH THIS DEBATE TOGETHER, AND SAVANNAH AND LESTER, WE WILL CERTAINLY REPORT BACK ON WHAT THE REACTIONS ARE HERE IN THE ROOM. INSTANT FOCUS GROUP. >> GREAT TO HEAR THOSE VOICES. LET ME BRING IN TWO EXPERTS, GREG WHO SERVED AS WHITE

HOUSE COUNSEL IN THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION, HE PREPPED JOHN KERRY BY PLAYING GEORGE W. BUSH. SENATOR, THE CANDIDATES-- >> YOU GOT A LITTLE TONGUE-TIED THERE. >> YES, [ LAUGHTER ] IT'S NOT EASY. THE HARRIS FOLKS REALLY WANT TO PUT FORTH HER AND INTRODUCE HER, PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ABOUT RIGHT NOW. IS THIS A GOOD TIME FOR ANY CANDIDATE TO CHANGE WHO THEY ARE, WHO THE VOTERS PERCEIVE THEM TO BE? >> PEOPLE CAN CHANGE, THEMSELVES. REALLY THESE DEBATE SESSIONS TURN ON A FEW THINGS. YOUR MANNERISMS, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A SPLIT SCREEN. IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN GEORGE BUSH

WAS IN THE DEBATE HE LOOKED AT HIS WATCH, AND THAT AFFECTED THE CAMPAIGN SIGNIFICANTLY. AL GORE ROLLED HIS EYES AND MADE ALL SORTS OF FACIAL, DISPARAGING TYPES OF-- MOVEMENTS, AND THEN OF COURSE IN THE LAST DEBATE-- IT WAS-- PRESIDENT BIDEN JUST LOOKING LIKE HE WAS NOT THERE. SO THE PHYSICAL ACTIVITY ON THE STAGE IS REALLY CRITICAL. AND YOU HAVE GOT TO ACT LIKE YOU ARE A SERIOUS PERSON IN A SERIOUS EVENT. SECONDLY, YOU'VE GOT TO BE SUBSTANTIVE. PEOPLE EXPECT SUBSTANCE, NOT GAMESMANSHIP. AND THE SELF-DEPRECATING HUMOR DOESN'T HURT, IT'S NICE TO KNOW THAT THE PERSON CAN

CONNECT WITH YOU, BECAUSE THEY ARE WILLING TO TALK ABOUT THEM SELVES IN A HUMOROUS WAY. SO THE THREE ELEMENTS ARE REALLY CRITICAL TO FINDING AN INDIVIDUAL AND WHETHER THEY CONNECT WITH THE AUDIENCE, BUT YOU CANNOT CHANGE YOURSELF JUST FOR A DEBATE. THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE. >> IT'S FUN TO TALK TO BOTH OF YOU, BECAUSE YOU HAD THIS RARE OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY PLAY THE OPPOSING CANDIDATES. WE KNOW YOU FROM POLITICS, BUT APPARENTLY HAVE ACTING CHOPS AS WELL. YOU HELPED PRESIDENT OBAMA AND SENATOR KERRY. WHAT WOULD YOU TELL KAMALA HARRIS? DONALD TRUMP IS AN OPPONENT UNLIKE ANY OTHER. >>

ON THE ISSUE OF SUBSTANCE AND POLICY I THINK SHE'S GOING TO BE JUST FINE. SHE IS DISCIPLINED. SHE IS HARD-WORKING. I THINK THE JOB IS MANAGING TRUMP. BECAUSE, WHEREAS VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS IS THE CAPTAIN AND QUARTERBACK OF TEAM NORMAL, FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP IS REALLY THE FOUR-STAR GENERAL OF TEAM CRAZY. AND YOU CAN'T REALLY GUESS OR PREDICT WHAT HE'S GOING TO BE SAYING OR DOING. IT WILL BE A STREAM OF CONSCIOUSNESS. THERE WILL BE NON SEQUITURS. THERE WILL BE ONE FALSEHOOD AFTER ANOTHER. I'M GOING TO BE INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT HOW SHE MANAGES TO DEAL WITH

HIM. I THINK HE IS LIKELY TO GET UNDER HER SKIN MORE THAN THE OTHER WAY, BUT I THINK IF SHE MANAGES THE SKYPE IN THIS DEBATE SHE WILL BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. >> SENATOR GREG, AND CRAIG GRE , THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. >> IT'S NOT EASY, IS IT? >> [ LAUGHTER ] >> THERE ARE TWO HERE WHO HAVE MODERATED DEBATES, WHICH SEEMS LIKE THE MOST THANKLESS JOB IN AMERICA, BUT WE HAVE KRISTEN WELKER HERE, HALLIE HAS DONE SOME PRIMARY-- LESTER, FIRST OF ALL, WITHOUT TRIGGERING YOU, WHAT DO YOU REMEMBER ABOUT DOING THE

DEBATE IN 2016? >> I REMEMBER HOW LONELY IT FELT. WE, WHEN BOTH OF US DID IT IT WAS UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THE DEBATE COMMISSION. YOU WERE SOLO OUT THERE, YOUR BACK IS TO THIS GIANT ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE, AND THERE WERE ESTIMATES OF 100 MILLION PEOPLE WATCHING. AT THE SAME TIME IT'S SUCH A PRIVILEGE TO DO THINGS LIKE THIS, BUT YOU'RE GETTING PEOPLE LEADING UP TO IT, OR WILL HE FACT CHECK-- PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE DOING OR THINKING. I THINK OF DAVID AND LINDSEY TONIGHT. IT'S NOT AN EASY TASK. >> IT'S

DEFINITELY NOT. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT FEELING LONELY, THERE'S NO ONE IN YOUR EAR GIVING YOU EDITORIAL BACKUP. I THINK THERE'S NO GREATER WEIGHT THAN THE MOMENTS HEADING INTO A GENERAL ELECTION DEBATE, BECAUSE YOU'RE ASKING QUESTIONS ON BEHALF OF THE PEOPLE WHO KATE WAS JUST INTERVIEWING, ON BEHALF OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. SO YOU WANT THE QUESTIONS TO BE UNDERSTANDABLE, NOT COMING FROM WASHINGTON IN POLITICS, BUT FROM A PLACE OF PEOPLE'S DINING ROOM TABLES. THE BEST THING YOU COULD SAY ABOUT A MODERATOR IS THAT YOU DON'T REMEMBER THE MODERATOR. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY-- BEES CAN

MAKE A CAREER, THEY CAN BREAK A CAREER, THESE SITUATIONS. I CAN THINK OF A MODERATOR WHO GOT IN TROUBLE FOR FACT CHECKING, IT'S SORT OF DARNED IF YOU DO, DARNED IF YOU DO. >> ASK FOLLOW-UPS AND MAKE SURE YOU GET ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS. >> IT IS ALSO A QUESTION FOR THE CANDIDATES, AND HOW MUCH TONIGHT, AS WE ARE ABOUT 11 MINUTES OUT NOW, HOW MUCH WILL VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS FACT CHECK FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP AND VICE VERSA? WE KNOW FROM PAST DEBATES THE FORMER PRESIDENT SAYS THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. SHE'S GOT TO PICK HER MOMENTS

IN THAT SPACE OR IT WILL TAKE TIME. FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP ALREADY, HIS CAMPAIGN, HIS TEAM, KIND OF WORKING PREEMPTIVELY GOING AFTER THE MODERATORS-- >> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY IT'S NOT TERRIBLY RECENT, BUT I REMEMBER IN THE LAST 10 OR 15 YEARS IT HAS BECOME MORE COMMON TO ATTACK THE MODERATOR. YOU WOULD NEVER SEE CANDIDATES GO AFTER THE MODERATOR. NEWT GINGRICH JOINED IN A REPUBLICAN PRIMARY I THINK IN 2016 OR SOMETHING, AND THAT WAS DIFFERENT. >> IT TOOK ME SEVERAL MINUTES TO GET A FEEL OF THE ROOM AND GET THE TEMPERATURE OF THE CANDIDATES.

HAVING DONE A LOT OF DEBATES INCLUDING THE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE, I SWORE A LONG TIME AGO I WOULD NEVER PUBLICLY JUDGE A MODERATOR. MY HAT IS OFF TO ANYONE WHO DOES IT. >> AND YOU TRY TO TUNE OUT ANY CRITICISM YOU MIGHT BE GETTING HEADED INTO THE BIG NIGHT. >> YOU KNOW THEY ARE FEELING IT IN THEIR STOMACHS GOING INTO THIS. >> I'M FEELING IT, TOO. [ LAUGHTER ] >>> AS KAMALA HARRIS AND FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP PREPARE TO MEET FOR THE FIRST TIME, I HOPE YOU CAN STAY WITH US. IT WILL BE QUITE A NIGHT. >>>

WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN? IT'S GOING BACK AND FORTH. >> GO AHEAD, NICE TO SEE YOU TONIGHT. >>> NEWS FOR THE GENERATION OF NOW IS NBC NEWS NOW. >>> WELCOME BACK TO OUR SPECIAL COVERAGE OF TONIGHT'S PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE BETWEEN VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS AND FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP. >> THE DEBATE IS SET TO BEGIN MINUTES FROM NOW. IT WILL BE THE FIRST TIME HARRIS AND TRUMP MEET EACH OTHER. IT WILL BE IN FRONT OF THE ENTIRE COUNTRY. TONIGHT, IT COULD HAVE A HUGE EFFECT ON THE CAMPAIGN WITH A TIGHT RACE NATIONALLY, AND IN THE CRITICAL BATTLEGROUND STATES.

>> IN PHILADELPHIA AT THE DEBATE HALL, IN THE "SPIN ROOM," WITH TOM LLAMAS. WE ARE ABOUT SIX AND IT'S OUT A WAY FROM THE DEBATE, WHICH WE WILL CARRY OUT IN ITS ENTIRETY. ARE YOU FEELING THE ENERGY? >> I WILL TELL YOU SOMETHING I'VE NOTICED THAT'S DIFFERENT. USUALLY THE SPIN ROOM GETS WILD AND CRAZY POSTDEBATE. WHAT I'M SEEING FOR HE FIRST TIME IS PRETTY DEBATE SPIN. YOU ARE SEEING BOTH SIDES FLANK THE REPORTERS AND FLANK THE SETS FROM THE NEWS ORGANIZATIONS TO TRY AND GET THEIR MESSAGE OUT. IT WAS A TON OF COMMOTION A FEW

MINUTES AGO. RFK JR. HIM INTO THE SPIN ROOM AND HE WAS THE THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE WHO HAS SINCE ENDORSED FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP. HE WAS FOLLOWED BY DOZENS OF REPORTERS AS HE WALKED THROUGH THE SPIN ROOM. WE ARE HEARING THE BOTH CAMPAIGNS, CIRCUITS ARE SAYING THE SAME THING, FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP IS THE MOST EXPERIENCED DEBATER, THIS WILL BE HIS SEVENTH. AND THEY WANT TO GO OVER REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS, THAT A VOTE FOR TRUMP IS A VOTE THAT WOULD LIMIT ABORTION ACCESS. ON THE TRUMP SIDE THEY ARE HAMMERING THE ISSUE THAT FORMER PRESIDENT-- NO TOWN HALLS, AND ALSO

THEY WANT TO HAMMER THAT THEY CAN HAMMER THE SPOTLIGHT ON ISSUES OF THE ECONOMY IN THE TWO WARS OVERSEAS. WHAT I'LL BE LOOKING FOR, WHO CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT THEY ARE THE CHANGE CANDIDATE COMING OUT OF THIS DEBATE. BACK TO YOU. >> TOM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH YAMICHE ALCINDOR HAS BEEN COVERING THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN AND JOINS US NOW. YAMICHE, YOUR THOUGHTS AS WE ARE MINUTES AWAY? >> ONE OF THE LARGEST CHALLENGES, AS I'VE BEEN SPEAKING WITH SOURCES FAMILIAR WITH DEBATE PREPARATIONS, ARE HOW SHE WILL DIFFERENTIATE HERSELF FROM PRESIDENT BIDEN. FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL MAKE

-- WHETHER OR NOT TO THROW THE PRESIDENT UNDER THE BUS FIGURATIVELY AND SAY I DISAGREE WITH POLICIES, THE WITHDRAWAL FROM AFGHANISTAN, OR SAY WHETHER ICE OF THE PLEASURE OF THE PRESIDENT, AND I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING HE DID. SHE WILL HAVE TO CARVE OUT IN THE ADMINISTRATION. THEY EXPECT HIM TO LOSE IT, THEY WILL TRY TO BAIT, SHE REALLY WANTS TO REMAIN CALM, BECAUSE HER BIGGEST THING THAT SHE WANTS TO DO IS INTRODUCE HERSELF TO UNDECIDED VOTERS AND VOTERS WHO MIGHT NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH HER MIDDLE-CLASS BACKGROUND. THEY REALLY WANT TO, HER TEAM, REALLY WANTS TO

MAKE SURE SHE DEFINES HERSELF. THOSE ARE THE CHALLENGES I WILL BE WATCHING FOR AND HOW SHE DOES THAT. >> YAMICHE, THANK YOU SO MUCH. DASHA BURNS, WHO COVERS THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN, JOINS US NOW. WHAT ARE YOU HEARING ABOUT THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN PREPARATIONS? >> LOOK, SAVANNAH, YOU'VE HEARD THE FORMER PRESIDENT SAY HE DOES NOT DO TRADITIONAL DEBATE, THAT CAMPAIGNING IS HIS PREP. WE'VE BEEN TOLD HE HAS BEEN HUNKERED DOWN AT MAR-A-LAGO DOING EXTENSIVE POLICY SESSIONS, AND WATCH FOR HIM TO DO TWO THINGS TONIGHT. NUMBER ONE, TY VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS TO VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN-- NUMBER TWO REMIND

VOTERS OF THE POSITION SHE TOOK IN 2020 WENCH WHEN SHE WAS-- MODERATE SWING VOTERS IN PLACES LIKE THE SUBURBS OF PHILADELPHIA. OF COURSE THAT IS THE PLAN, THAT IS WHAT THE CAMPAIGN WANTS, BUT IT WILL BE ABOUT HE EXECUTION IN THE MOMENT, ESPECIALLY WHEN HARRIS TRIES TO BAIT THE FORMER PRESIDENT INTO AN OUTBURST. >> I WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW THE VICE PRESIDENT HAS CAST HERSELF AS THE PROSECUTOR. WILL THIS COME OFF IN THE PROSECUTOR WE CAN EXPECT THEY SAY HER BIGGEST CHALLENGE TONIGHT IS GETTING SPECIFIC, BUT NOT TOO SPECIFIC. SHE HAS TO TELL HOW

A HARRIS ADMINISTRATION WOULD DIFFER FROM A BIDEN ADMINISTRATION. HOW WOULD SHE CHANGE THINGS RIGHT NOW? DOES SHE ACKNOWLEDGE TO SOME EXTENT THE ECONOMY IS NOT WHERE SHE NEEDED TO BE, AND REALLY LAY OUT IN MORE DETAIL WHAT SHE WANTS TO SEE? YES, SHE WILL PROSECUTE THE CASE AGAINST DONALD TRUMP ON A RANGE OF ISSUES. ON SWITCHING HIS OPINION WHEN IT COMES TO THE ISSUE OF ABORTION AND REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS, BUT AGAIN, SHE HAS GOT TO WALK THAT FINE LINE. >> AND SHE HAS TO STAND OUT. PROGRESSIVE CANDIDATE. >> SHE HAS MOVED AWAY FROM THAT WHEN SHE

MANDATED -- THAT SHE HAS CHANGED HER POSITION ON AS WELL. YOU LOOK AT MEDICARE, AS WELL. BRINGING GET BACK TO THE VOTERS. PEOPLE DON'T FEEL GREAT ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW. >> WE BRIEFLY GO THERE, TALKING ABOUT HIS PHYSICAL PERFORMANCE. IT'S BEEN KNOWN BY MANY THAT THERE HAS BEEN MORE RAMBLING. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT FOLKS ARE WATCHING TODAY? >> WE WILL BE BACK WITH YOU AT THE TOP OF THE HOUR NOW. NOT:00 ON THE EAST COAST HERE. WE ARE JUST SECONDS AWAY NOW FROM TONIGHT'S FIRST AND PERHAPS THE LAST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE BETWEEN VICE PRESIDENT, HARRIS AND

FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP. >> AS WE NOTED, THIS WILL BE THE FIRST TIME THE CANDIDATES HAVE MET AND PURPOSE -- IN PERSON. THIS WILL BE THE FIRST DEBATE SINCE PRESIDENT BIDEN LEFT THE RACE OVER THE SUMMER AND HARRIS BECAME THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE. A LOT HAS HAPPENED. >> YES. AND WE HAVE A FEW MOMENTS UNTIL THE DEBATE FIRST. ABC NEWS IS BROADCASTING, BUT WE WILL CASTED RIGHT HERE IN ITS ENTIRETY. IS TAKING PLACE AT THE NATIONAL CONSTITUTION CENTER IN PHILADELPHIA. SUBMIT THE CANDIDATES OTHER MICROPHONES WILL BE MUTED WHILE THE OTHER IS TALKING. THERE WILL BE CLOSING

STATEMENTS. WE THINK THAT THEY WILL MIX IT UP PRETTY EARLY HERE. >> AND THE MIC ARE MUTED WHILE THE OTHER IS TALKING. LET'S TAKE YOU TO PHILADELPHIA AND THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE OF 2024. >> GOOD EVENING, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US FOR TONIGHT'S NBC NEWS PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE. WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR WATCHING AROUND THE WORLD TONIGHT. VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS AND DONALD TRUMP ARE MOMENTS AWAY FROM TAKING THE STAGE. >> IT COULD BE THE MOST CONSEQUENTIAL EVENT OF THEIR CAMPAIGNS. THE FIRST DEBATE SINCE PRESIDENT BIDEN WITHDREW FROM THE RACE ON 2025, OF COURSE WHEN

IT -- IN 2025. SINCE THEN, THE RACE HAS TAKEN ON AN ENTIRELY NEW DYNAMIC. >> 90 MINUTES WITH TWO COMMERCIAL BREAKS. NO TOPICS OR QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN SHARED. THIS IS THE CLOCK. TWO MINUTES FOR REBUTTALS AND ONE MINUTE FOR FOLLOW-UP, CLARIFICATION, OR RESPONSES. NO PREWRITTEN NOTES ALLOWED. THERE ISO AUDIENCE TONIGHT HERE IN THIS HALL. THIS IS AN INTIMATE SETTING FOUR -- FOR 2 CANDIDATES WHO HAVE NEVER MET. >> DELIVERING THE FINAL COMMENT OF THE EVENING. >> LET'S WELCOME THE CANDIDATES, VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS AND FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP. >> KAMALA HARRIS. >> WELCOME TO YOU

BOTH. IT'S WONDERFUL TO HAVE YOU BOTH HERE TONIGHT. >> GOOD EVENING. WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO A SPIRITED AND THOUGHTFUL DEBATE. >> LET'S GET STARTED. AN ISSUE THEY SAY IS THEIR NUMBER ONE ISSUE, THE ECONOMY AND COST-OF-LIVING. YOUR OPPONENT ON THE STAGE HERE TONIGHT OFTEN ASKS HIS SUPPORTERS, ARE YOU BETTER OFF THAN YOU WERE FOUR YEARS AGO? WHEN IT COMES TO THE ECONOMY, DO YOU THINK AMERICANS ARE BETTER OFF THAN FOUR YEARS AGO? >> I WAS RAISED AS A MIDDLE- CLASS KID. I'M ACTUALLY THE ONLY PERSON ON THIS STAGE WHO HAS A PLAN THAT IS

ABOUT LIFT UP THE MIDDLE CLASS AND WORKING PEOPLE OF AMERICA. I BELIEVE IN THE AMBITION, THE ASPIRATION, THE DREAMS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. THAT IS WHY I IMAGINE AND HAVE ACTUALLY EVER PLAN TO BUILD WHAT I CALL AN OPPORTUNITY ECONOMY. HERE'S THE THING, WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE A SHORTAGE OF HOMES AND HOUSING. THE COST OF HOUSING IS TOO EXPENSIVE FOR FAR TOO MANY PEOPLE. WE KNOW THAT YOUNG FAMILIES NEED SUPPORT TO RAISE THEIR CHILDREN. I INTEND ON EXTENDING A TAX CUT FOR THOSE FAMILIES OF $6000, WHICH IS THE LARGEST CHILD TAX CREDIT WE HAVE

GIVEN IN A LONG TIME. SO THAT THOSE YOUNG FAMILIES CAN AFFORD TO BUY A CRIB, A CARSEY, CLOSE FOR THEIR CHILDREN. MY PASSION, ONE OF THEM, ITS SMALL BUSINESSES. MY MOTHER RAISED MY SISTER AND ME, BUT THERE WAS A WOMAN WHO HELPED RAISE US. WE CALLED HER OUR SECOND MOTHER. SHE WAS A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER. I LOVE OUR SMALL BUSINESSES. MY PLAN IS TO GET A $50,000 TAX REDUCTION TO START UP SMALL BUSINESSES, KNOWING THEY ARE PART OF THE BACKBONE OF AMERICA'S ECONOMY. MY OPPONENT, HIS PLAN IS TO DO WHAT HE'S DONE BEFORE, TO PROVIDE

A TAX CUT FOR BILLIONAIRES AND BIG CORPORATIONS, WHICH WOULD RESULT IN $5 TRILLION TO AMERICA'S DEFICIT. MY OPPONENT HAS A PLAN THAT I CALL THE TRUMP SALES TAX, A 20% TAX ON EVERYDAY GOODS THAT YOU RELY ON TO GET THROUGH THE MONTH. ECONOMISTS HAVE SAID THAT THAT TRUMP SALES TAX WOULD ACTUALLY RESOLVE FOR MIDDLE-CLASS FAMILIES IN ABOUT $4000 MORE A YEAR BECAUSE OF HIS POLICIES AND HIS IDEAS ABOUT WHAT SHOULD BE THE BACKS OF MIDDLE-CLASS PEOPLE PAYING FOR TAX CUTS FOR BILLIONAIRES. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, I WILL GIVE YOU TWO MINUTES. >> FIRST OF ALL, I

HAVE NO SALES TAX. THAT'S AN INCORRECT STATEMENT. WE ARE DOING TARIFFS ON OTHER COUNTRIES. OTHER COUNTRIES, FINALLY AFTER 75 YEARS, THEY WILL PAY US BACK FOR ALL WE'VE DONE FOR THE WORLD. THE TARIFF WILL BE SUBSTANTIAL IN SOME CASES. I TOOK IN BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS FROM CHINA. THEY NEVER TOOK THE TARIFF OFF. IT WAS SO MUCH MONEY, THEY CAN'T. IT WILL TOTALLY DESTROY EVERYTHING THEY'VE SET OUT TO DO. TAKING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS FROM CHINA AND OTHER PLACES. WHEN I HAD IT, I HAD TARIFFS AND NO INFLATION. WE'VE HAD A TERRIBLE IN CLAY --

A TERRIBLE ECONOMY. WE HAVE INFLATION LIKE VERY FEW PEOPLE HAVE EVER SEEN BEFORE. PROBABLY THE WORST IN OUR NATIONS HISTORY. WE WERE AT 21%, BUT THAT'S BEING GENEROUS. MANY THINGS ARE 50,, 60, 70, AND 80% HIGHER THAN A FEW YEARS AGO. THIS HAS BEEN A DISASTER FOR EVERY CLASS. ON TOP OF THAT, MILLIONS OF PEOPLE POURING INTO OUR COUNTRY FROM PRISON, JAIL, FROM MENTAL INSTITUTIONS AND INSANE ASYLUM'S. THEY ARE COMING IN AND TAKING JOBS THAT ARE OCCUPIED RIGHT NOW BY AFRICAN-AMERICANS AND HISPANICS, ALSO UNIONS. UNIONS WILL BE AFFECTED VERY SOON. YOU SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH

TOWNS THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES. YOU LOOK AT SPRINGFIELD, OHIO, AURORA IN COLORADO. THEY ARE TAKING OVER THE TOWNS, TAKING OVER BUILDINGS. GOING IN VIOLENTLY. THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT SHE AND BIDEN LED INTO OUR COUNTRY, AND THEY ARE DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY. THEY ARE DANGEROUS. THEY ARE AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF CRIMINALITY. AND WE HAVE TO GET THEM OUT. WE HAVE TO GET THEM OUT FAST. I CREATED ONE OF THE GREATEST ECONOMIES IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY. I WOULD DO IT AGAIN AND EVEN BETTER. >> WE ARE GOING TO GET TO IMMIGRATION AND BORDER SECURITY

DURING THIS DEBATE. I WOULD LIKE TO LET VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS RESPOND. >> I WOULD LOVE TO. LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT DONALD TRUMP LEFT US. DONALD TRUMP LEFT US THE WORST UNEMPLOYMENT SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION. DONALD TRUMP LEFT US THE WORST PUBLIC HEALTH EPIDEMIC IN A CENTURY. DONALD TRUMP LEFT US THE WORST ATTACK ON OUR DEMOCRACY SINCE THE CIVIL WAR. AND WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS CLEAN UP DONALD TRUMP SMITH. WHAT WE HAVE DONE, AND WHAT I INTEND TO DO IS BUILD ON WHAT WE KNOW ARE THE ASPIRATIONS IN THE HOPES OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. I'M

GOING TO TELL Y'ALL ON THIS DEBATE TONIGHT, YOU WILL HEAR FROM THE SAME OLD TIRED PLAYBOOK. A BUNCH OF LIES, GRIEVANCES AND NAME-CALLING. WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR TONIGHT IS A DETAILED AND DANGEROUS PLAN CALLED PROJECT 2025 THAT THE FORMER PRESIDENT INTENDS ON IMPLEMENTING IF YOU WERE ELECTED AGAIN. I BELIEVE VERY STRONGLY THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT A PRESIDENT WHO UNDERSTANDS THE IMPORTANCE OF BRINGING US TOGETHER WHEN WE HAVE SO MUCH MORE IN COMMON THAN WHAT SEPARATES US. AND I PLEDGE TO YOU TO BE A PRESIDENT FOR ALL AMERICANS. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, WE WILL

GIVE YOU A MINUTE TO RESPOND. >> AS YOU KNOW, AND SHE KNOWS BETTER THAN ANYONE, I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH PROJECT 2025. THAT'S OUT THERE. I HAVEN'T READ IT. I DON'T WANT TO READ IT. THIS IS A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT GOT TOGETHER, CAME UP WITH SOME IDEAS. SOME GOOD, SOME BAD, BUT IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. EVERYBODY KNOWS I'M AN OPEN BOOK. I WILL CUT TAXES VERY SUBSTANTIALLY AND CREATE A GREAT ECONOMY LIKE I DID BEFORE. WE HAD THE GREATEST ECONOMY. WE GOT HIT WITH A PANDEMIC. NOT SINCE 1917 WHERE 100 MILLION PEOPLE DIED

HAS THERE BEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT. WE DID A PHENOMENAL JOB WITH THE PANDEMIC. WE HAD THEM OVER A COUNTRY WHERE THE ECONOMY AND STOCK MARKET WAS HIGHER THAN IT WAS BEFORE THE PANDEMIC CAME IN. NOBODIES EVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT. WE MADE VENTILATORS FOR THE ENTIRE WORLD. WE DID THINGS NOBODY THOUGHT POSSIBLE. PEOPLE GIVE ME CREDIT FOR REBUILDING THE MILITARY, BUT NOT ENOUGH. THE ONLY JOBS HEY GOT WERE BOUNCED BACK JOBS. IT BOUNCED BACK AND WENT TO THEIR BENEFIT. I WAS THE ONE THAT CREATED IT. THEY KNOW, AND SO DOES EVERYONE ELSE. >> VICE PRESIDENT

HARRIS, I WILL LET YOU RESPOND. >> SO, DONALD TRUMP HAS NO PLAN FOR YOU. IT'S ALL ABOUT TAX BREAKS FOR THE RICHEST PEOPLE. I'M OFFERING WHAT I DESCRIBED AS AN OPPORTUNITY ECONOMY. THE BEST ECONOMISTS IN OUR COUNTRY, IF NOT THE WORLD, HAVE REVIEWED OUR RELATIVE PLANS FOR THE FUTURE OF AMERICA. WHAT GOLDMAN SACHS HAS SAID IS THAT DONALD TRUMP'S PLAN WOULD MAKE THE ECONOMY WORSE, MINE WOULD STRENGTHEN THE ECONOMY. WHAT THE WHARTON SOON -- WHARTON SCHOOL SAYS , DONALD TRUMP'S PLAN WOULD EXPLOIT THE DEFICIT. HIS ECONOMIC PLAN WOULD INCREASE INFLATION. AND BY THE MIDDLE OF

NEXT YEAR, IT WOULD INVITE A RECESSION. YOU JUST HAVE TO DID LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE AND WHERE WE STAND ON THESE ISSUES. I WOULD INVITE YOU TO KNOW THAT DONALD TRUMP ACTUALLY HAS NO PLAN FOR YOU. HE'S MORE INTERESTED IN DEFENDING HIMSELF THAN HE IS IN LOOKING OUT FOR YOU. >> THAT'S JUST A SOUND BITE THAT THEY GAVE HER TO SAY. I WENT TO THE WHARTON SCHOOL OF FINANCE. MANY PROFESSORS THINK MY PLAN IS A BRILLIANT PLAN. IT'S A GREAT PLAN. IT WILL BRING UP OUR WARES, OUR VALUE. CREATING JOBS, A LOT OF GOOD,

SOLID MONEY FOR OUR COUNTRY. SHE COPIED BIDEN'S PLAN. AND IT'S LIKE FOUR SENTENCES, LIKE RUN, SPOT, RUN. FOUR SENTENCES THAT ARE LIKE, OH, WE WILL TRY TO LOWER TAXES. TAKE A LOOK AT HER PLAN, SHE DOESN'T HAVE ONE. >> SOMETHING YOU BOTH BROUGHT UP, THE VICE PRESIDENT BROUGHT UP YOUR TEARS, YOU RESPONDED. LET'S DRILL DOWN ON THIS. YOUR PLAN IS WHAT SHE CALLS A NATIONAL PLAN TAX. YOU RECENTLY SAID YOU MIGHT DOUBLE YOUR PLAN. TEARS UP TO 20% ON GOODS COMING IN THIS COUNTRY. VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS HAS ARGUED THERE WILL BE HIGHER PRICES ON GAS,

FOOD. COSTING THE TYPICAL FAMILY NEARLY $4000 A YEAR. >> THEY WILL NOT HAVE HIGHER PRICES. WILL HAVE HIGHER PRICES IS CHINA AND ALL THE COUNTRIES THAT HAVE BEEN LISTING FOR YEARS. HUNDREDS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. YOU KNOW, IF SHE DOESN'T LIKE HIM, THEY SHOULD HAVE GONE OUT AND IMMEDIATELY CUT THE TEARS. -- TARIFFS. WE WILL TAKE IN BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. I HAD NO INFLATION. VIRTUALLY NO INFLATION. THEY HAD THE HIGHEST INFLATION PERHAPS IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY. I'VE NEVER SEEN A WORSE PERIOD OF TIME. PEOPLE CAN BUY CEREAL, BACON,

EGGS, OR ANYTHING ELSE. THESE PEOPLE ARE ABSOLUTELY DYING WITH WHAT THEY'VE DONE. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS LOOK AT A POLL. 80, 85, AND EVEN 90% THAT THE TRUMP ECONOMY WAS GREAT AND THEIR ECONOMY WAS TERRIBLE. >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, I DO WANT TO ASK FOR YOUR RESPONSE. THE BY THE TEAM DID KEEP A NUMBER OF THE TEARS IN PLACE. >> LET'S BE CLEAR THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION RESULTED IN A TRADE DEFICIT, ONE OF THE HIGHEST WE'VE EVER SEEN IN THE HISTORY OF AMERICA. HE INVITED TRADE WARS. YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT HIS DEAL

WITH CHINA? WHAT HE ENDED UP DOING UNDER DONALD TRUMP'S PRESIDENCY, HE ENDED UP SELLING AMERICAN SHIPS TO CHINA TO HELP THEM IMPROVE AND MODERNIZE THEIR MILITARY, BASICALLY SOLD US OUT. THE POLICY SHOULD BE IN MAKING SURE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WINS THE COMPETITION FOR THE 21st CENTURY, WHICH MEANS FOCUSING ON THE DETAILS OF WHAT THAT REQUIRES, FOCUSING ON RELATIONSHIPS WITH OUR ALLIES, INVESTING IN AMERICAN- BASED TECHNOLOGIES SO THAT WE WIN THE RACE ON AIM QUANTUM COMPUTING, FOCUSING ON WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO SUPPORT AMERICA'S WORKFORCE, SO THAT WE DON'T END UP ON THE

SHORT END OF THE STICK. WHAT DONALD TRUMP DID, LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS. HE ACTUALLY THANKED PRESIDENT XI JINPING FOR WHAT HE DID. THANK YOU PRESIDENT XI, WHEN WE KNOW THAT XI WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR LACKING AND NOT GIVING US TRANSPARENCY ABOUT THE ORIGINS OF COVID. >> TRUMP, I WILL LET YOU RESPOND. >> THEY BOUGHT THE CHIPS FROM TAIWAN. WE HARDLY DO THAT BECAUSE OF PHILOSOPHIES THEY HAVE. SHE HAS NO POLICY. EVERYTHING SHE BELIEVED THREE YEARS AGO AND FOUR YEARS AGO IS OUT THE WINDOW. SHE'S GOING TO MY PHILOSOPHY NOW. IN FACT, I WAS GOING TO SEND

HER A MAGA HAT. IF SHE EVER GOT ELECTED, SHE WOULD CHANGE THAT. EVERYONE KNOWS SHE IS A MARXIST. HER FATHER IS A MARXIST PROFESSOR IN ECONOMICS. HE TAUGHT HER WELL. WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT SHE'S DONE, YOU LOOK AT THESE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE POURING IN MONTHLY, WHY BELIEVE IT IS 21 MILLION PEOPLE, NOT 15 MILLION. I THINK IT'S A LOT HIGHER THAN THE 21. THAT'S BIGGER THAN NEW YORK STATE, POURING IN. LOOK AT WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO OUR COUNTRY. MANY OF THESE PEOPLE ARE CRIMINALS. THAT'S BAD FOR OUR ECONOMY, TOO. WE WILL

TALK ABOUT IMMIGRATION LATER. BAD IMMIGRATION IS THE WORST THING THAT CAN HAPPEN TO OUR ECONOMY. THEY HAVE AND SHE HAS DESTROYED OUR COUNTRY WITH POLICY THAT'S INSANE. ALMOST POLICY THAT YOU SAY THAT HAVE TO HATE OUR COUNTRY. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, THANK YOU. LINSEY? >> YOU OFTEN HAVE TOUTED THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO KILL ROE V. WADE. AND THEN LAST MONTH, YOU SAID YOU ADMINISTRATION WOULD BE GREAT FOR WOMEN AND THEIR REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS. IN YOUR HOME STATE OF FLORIDA, HE SURPRISED MANY IN REGARD TO YOUR SIX WEEK ABORTION BAN. INITIALLY, YOU SAID IT WAS TOO SHORT.

YOU SAID, I'M GOING TO BE VOTING THAT WE ND MORE THAN SIX WEEKS. THE VERY NEXT DAY, YOU WILL REVERSE COURSE, SAYING YOU WOULD VOTE TO SUPPORT THE BAN. VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS SAYS WOMEN SHOULD NOT SUPPORT YOU ON THIS BECAUSE YOU'VE CHANGED YOUR POSITION SO MANY TIMES. >> THE REASON I'M DOING THAT BOAT, BECAUSE THE PLAN IS, AS YOU KNOW THE VOTE IS, THEY HAVE ABORTION IN THE NINTH MONTH. YOU CAN LOOK AT THE GOVERNOR WEST VIRGINIA, THE PREVIOUS GOVERNOR OF WEST VIRGINIA, NOT THE CURRENT ONE. HE'S DOING A GREAT JOB. BEFORE, IS THAT THE

BABY ILL BE BORN, AND WE WILL DECIDE TO DO WITH THE BABY. IN OTHER WORDS, THEY SAID WE WOULD EXECUTE THE BABY. THAT'S WHY DID THAT. THE DEMOCRATS ARE RADICAL IN THAT. HER VICE PRESIDENTIAL PICK, WHICH IS A HORRIBLE PICK BY THE WAY FOR OUR COUNTRY, HE IS REALLY OUT OF IT. HER VICE PRESIDENTIAL PICK SAYS ABORTION IN THE NINTH MONTH IS ABSOLUTELY FINE. HE ALSO SAYS EXECUTION AFTER BIRTH, NO LONGER ABORTION BECAUSE THE BABY IS BORN, IS OKAY. THAT'S NOT OKAY WITH ME, HENCE THE VOTE. BUT WHAT I DID, SOMETHING FOR 52 YEARS, THEY'VE

BEEN TRYING TO GET ROE V. WADE INTO THE STATES. AND THROUGH THE GENIUS STRENGTH OF SIX SUPREME COURT JUSTICES, WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT. I BELIEVE IN THE EXCEPTIONS FOR , INCEST, AND LIFE OF THE MOTHER. I BELIEVE STRONGLY IN IT. 85% OF REPUBLICANS DO. WE WERE ABLE TO GET IT. NOW STATES ARE VOTING ON IT. FOR THE FIRST TIME, YOU WILL SEE. THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT HAS TORN OUR COUNTRY APART FOR 52 YEARS. EVERY LEGAL SCHOLAR, EVERY DEMOCRAT, EVERY REPUBLICAN, LIBERAL, CONSERVATIVE, THEY'VE ALL WANTED THIS ISSUE TO BE BROUGHT BACK. THAT'S WHAT

HAPPENED. NOW OHIO, THE VOTE WAS SOMEWHAT LIBERAL. KANSAS, THE VOTE WAS SOMEWHAT LIBERAL. BUT EACH INDIVIDUAL STATE IS VOTING. IS THE VOTE OF THE PEOPLE NOW. IT'S NOT TIED UP IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. I DID A GREAT SERVICE IN DOING IT. AND THE SUPREME COURT HAD GREAT COVERAGE IN DOING IT. >> THERE IS NO STATE IN THIS COUNTRY WHERE IT IS LEGAL TO KILL A BABY AFTER IT'S BORN. NOW, HARRIS, I WANT TO GET YOUR RESPONSE FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP. >> LIKE I SAID, YOU WILL HEAR A LOT OF LIES TO GET THAT'S ABSOLUTELY A LIE.

DONALD TRUMP HAND SELECTED THREE MEMBERS OF THE SUPREME COURT WITH THE INTENTION THAT THEY WOULD UNDO THE PROTECTIONS OF ROE V. WADE. THEY DID EXACTLY AS HE INTENDED. IN OVER 20 STATES, THERE ARE TRUMP ABORTION BANS, WHICH MAKE IT CRIMINAL FOR A DOCTOR, OR NURSE TO PROVIDE HEALTHCARE. IN ONE STATE, IT PROVIDES PRISON FOR LIFE. TRUMP ABORTION BANS THAT MAKE NO EXCEPTION FOR RAPE OR INCEST. UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS. A SURVIVOR DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT THIS. ONE DOES NOT HAVE TO ABANDON THEIR FAITH, ARE DEEPLY HELD BELIEFS TO AGREE.

THE GOVERNMENT AND DONALD TRUMP CERTAINLY SHOULD NOT BE TELLING A WOMAN WHAT TO DO WITH HER BODY. I HAVE TALKED WITH WOMEN AROUND OUR COUNTRY. YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE WANTED? PREGNANT WOMEN WHO WANTED TO CARRY TO TERM, BEING DENIED CARE IN AN EMERGENCY ROOM BECAUSE HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS ARE AFRAID THEY MIGHT GO TO JAIL, AND SHE'S BLEEDING OUT IN THE PARKING LOT? SHE DIDN'T WANT THAT. HER HUSBAND DIDN'T WANT THAT. A 12 OR 13-YEAR-OLD SURVIVOR OF INCEST BEING FORCED TO CARRY A PREGNANCY TO TERM? THEY DON'T WANT THAT. AND I PLEDGE

TO YOU, WHEN CONGRESS PASSES A BILL TO PUT BACK IN PLACE THE PROTECTIONS OF ROE V. WADE AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, I WILL PROUDLY SIGN IT INTO LAW. BUT UNDERSTAND, IT DONALD TRUMP WERE TO BE RE-ELECTED, HE WILL SIGN A NATIONAL ABORTION BAN. UNDERSTAND IN HIS PROJECT 2025, THERE WOULD BE A MONITOR THAT WOULD BE MONITORING YOUR PREGNANT IS, YOUR MISCARRIAGES. I THINK AMERICAN PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT CERTAIN FREEDOMS, IN PARTICULAR, THE ONES TO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT ONE'S OWN BODY, IT SHOULD NOT BE MADE BY THE GOVERNMENT. >> THANK YOU, VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS. >>

AND THERE SHE GOES AGAIN, A LIE. I'M NOT SIGNING A BAN. WE GOT WHAT EVERYONE WANTED. EVERY LEGAL SCHOLAR WANTED IT TO BE BROUGHT BACK INTO THE STATES. AND THE STATES ARE VOTING. IT MAY TAKE A LITTLE TIME, BUT FOR 52 YEARS, THIS ISSUE HAS TORN OUR COUNTRY APART. AND THEY WANTED IT BACK IN THE STATES. I DID SOMETHING NOBODY THOUGHT WAS POSSIBLE. THE STATES ARE NOW VOTING. WHAT SHE SAYS IS AN ABSOLUTE LIE. AS PART OF THE ABORTION BAN, NO, I'M NOT A FAN OF IT. THIS HAS BEEN TAKEN OVER BY THE STATES. >>

WOULD YOU VETO THE PLAN? >> I WILL HAVE TO. -- WON'T HAVE TO. ESPECIALLY NOW WITH ESSENTIALLY 50/50 IN BOTH THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE. SHE WOULD NOT GET THE VOTE. SHE WANTED TO COME CLOSE TO IT. YOU KNOW WHAT IT REMINDS ME OF, WHEN THEY SAID THEY WOULD GET STUDENT LOANS TERMINATED, AND ENDED UP BEING A TOTAL CATASTROPHE. AND THEN I THINK PROBABLY HER BOSS, IF YOU CALL THEM A BOSS. HE SPENDS ALL OF HIS TIME AT THE SPEECH. HER BOSS WENT OUT AND SAID, WE WOULD DO IT AGAIN. WE WOULD DO IT A

DIFFERENT WAY. HE WENT OUT AND GOT REJECTED AGAIN BY THE SUPREME COURT. SO ALL OF THE STUDENTS GOT TAUNTED WITH THIS WHOLE THING ABOUT THIS WHOLE IDEA. AND HOW UNFAIR THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN? PART OF THE REASON THEY WOULD HAVE LOST TO THE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE THAT HAD TO PAY OFF THEIR STUDENT LOANS. BUT THEY WERE SAYING IS THE SAME WAY THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT THAT THAT THEY TALK ABOUT ABORTION. >> BUT IF I COULD JUST GET A YES OR NO. YOUR RUNNING MATE JD VANCE HAS SAID THAT YOU WOULD VETO. >> I

DIDN'T DISCUSS IT WITH JD IN ALL FAIRNESS. I DON'T MIND IF HE HAS A CERTAIN VIEW. WE DON'T HAVE TO DISCUSS IT, BECAUSE SHE'D NEVER BE ABLE TO GET IT, JUST LIKE SHE COULDN'T GET STUDENT LOANS. THEY DIDN'T EVEN COME CLOSE. THEY TAUNTED YOUNG PEOPLE AND A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAD LOANS. THEY COULD NEVER GET THIS APPROVED. SO IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT SHE SAYS ABOUT GOING TO CONGRESS. WONDERFUL, LET'S DO IT. BUT THE FACT IS, FOR YEARS, THEY WANTED TO GET IT OUT OF CONGRESS. WE DID SOMETHING EVERYONE SAID THEY WANTED TO GET

DONE. >> I WANT TO GIVE YOU TIME TO RESPOND. I DO WANT TO ASK, WOULD YOU SUPPORT RESTRICTIONS? >> I ACTUALLY SUPPORT REINSTATING THE PROTECTIONS. AND AS YOU RIGHTFULLY MENTIONED, NOWHERE IN AMERICA IS A WOMAN CARRYING A PREGNANCY TO TERM AND ASKING FOR AN ABORTION. THAT'S NOT HAPPENING. IT'S INSULTING TO THE WOMEN OF AMERICA. UNDERSTAND WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING UNDER DONALD TRUMP'S ABORTION BANS. COUPLES WHO PRAY AND DREAM OF HAVING A FAMILY ARE BEING DENIED IVF TREATMENT. WHAT IS HAPPENING IN OUR COUNTRY? WORKING PEOPLE, WORKING WOMEN WHO ARE WORKING 1-2 JOBS, WHO CAN BARELY AFFORD CHILDCARE

AS IT IS. THEY HAVE TO TRAVEL TO ANOTHER STATE TO GET ON A PLANE, SITTING NEXT TO STRANGERS, TO GO AND GET THE HEALTHCARE SHE NEEDS. THEY BARELY CAN AFFORD TO DO IT. AND WHAT YOU ARE PUTTING HER THROUGH IS UNCONSCIONABLE. THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA, THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS BELIEVE IN A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT HER OWN BODY. AND THAT IS WHY IN EVERY STATE WHERE THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN ON THE BALLOT IN RED AND BLUE STATES BOTH, THE PEOPLE IN AMERICA HAVE VOTED FOR FREEDOM. >> EXCUSE ME, I HAVE TO RESPOND. ANOTHER

LIE. I HAVE BEEN A LEADER ON THIS, IVF, WHICH IS FERTILIZATION. I HAVE BEEN A LEADER. IN FACT, WHEN THEY GOT A VERY NEGATIVE DECISION, I SAW THE PEOPLE OF ALABAMA AND THE LEGISLATURE TWO DAYS LATER, VOTING GET IN. I'VE BEEN A LEADER ON IT. THEY KNOW THAT. EVERYONE ELSE KNOWS THAT. I HAVE BEEN A LEADER ON FERTILIZATION, IVF. THE OTHER THING, YOU SHOULD ASK, WILL SHE ALLOW ABORTION IN THE EIGHTH MONTH, NINTH MONTH? SEVENTH MONTH? WOULD YOU DO THAT? >> WHY DON'T YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION, WOULD YOU VETO? >> YOU COULD DO ABORTIONS IN

THE SEVENTH MONTH, THE EIGHTH MONTH, THE NINTH MONTH, AND PROBABLY AFTER BIRTH. JUST LOOK AT THE FORMER GOVERNOR OF VIRGINIA. THE GOVERNOR SAID, WE PUT THE BABY ASIDE, AND THEN WE DETERMINE WHAT TO DO WITH THE BABY. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, THANK YOU. >> WE KNOW IT IS AN ISSUE IMPORTANT TO VOTERS ACROSS THE BOARD IN THIS COUNTRY. VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, YOU WERE TASKED WITH GETTING TO THE ROOT CAUSES. WE KNOW THAT ILLEGAL BORDER CROSSINGS REACHED A RECORD HIGH. THIS PAST JUNE, PRESIDENT BIDEN POSED TOUGH NEW RESTRICTIONS. WE KNOW THE NUMBERS SINCE THEN HAVE DROPPED SIGNIFICANTLY.

WHY DID THE ADMINISTRATION WAIT FOR 6 MONTHS TO AT? AND WOULD YOU DO ANYTHING DIFFERENTLY? >> SO I'M THE ONLY PERSON ON THIS STAGE WHO HAS PROSECUTED NATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS FOR THE TRAFFICKING OF DRUGS AND HUMAN BEINGS. AND LET ME SAY, THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS, INCLUDING SOME OF THE MOST CONSERVATIVE MEMBERS OF THE UNITED STATES SENATE CAME UP WITH A BORDER SECURITY BILL, WHICH I SUPPORTED. THAT BILL WOULD HAVE PUT 1500 MORE BORDER AGENTS ON THE BORDER TO HELP THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE WORKING THERE RIGHT NOW, TRYING TO DO THEIR JOB. IT WOULD HAVE ALLOWED US

TO STEM THE FLOW OF FENTANYL COMING INTO THE UNITED STATES. I KNOW THERE ARE SO MANY FAMILIES WATCHING TONIGHT WHO HAVE BEEN PERSONALLY AFFECTED BY THE SURGE OF FENTANYL IN OUR COUNTRY. THAT BILL WOULD HAVE PUT MORE RESOURCES TO ALLOW US TO PROSECUTE THEM FOR TRAFFICKING. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED? DONALD TRUMP GOT ON THE PHONE, CALLED UP SOME FOLKS IN CONGRESS AND SAID KILL THE BILL. YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE HE'D PREFER TO RUN ON A PROBLEM INSTEAD OF ASKING A PROBLEM. AND UNDERSTAND, THIS COMES AT A TIME WHERE THE PEOPLE OF OUR COUNTRY ACTUALLY

NEED A LEADER WHO ENGAGES IN SOLUTIONS, WHO ACTUALLY ADDRESSES THE PROBLEMS AT HAND. BUT WHAT WE HAVE IN THE FORMER PRESIDENT IS SOMEONE WHO WOULD PREFER TO RUN ON A PROBLEM INSTEAD OF FIXING IT. AND I WILL TELL YOU SOMETHING, HE WILL TALK ABOUT IT EVEN WHEN IT IS NOT THE SUBJECT BEING RAISED. I WILL ASK YOU TO DO SOMETHING VERY UNUSUAL. I WILL INVITE YOU TO ATTEND ONE OF DONALD TRUMP'S RALLIES. IT'S VERY INTERESTING. YOU WILL SEE HE TALKS ABOUT FICTIONAL CHARACTERS LIKE HANNIBAL LECTOR. HE WILL TALK ABOUT WINDMILLS CAUSE CANCER. WHAT YOU WILL

ALSO NOTICE, PEOPLE START LEAVING HIS RALLIES EARLY OUT OF EXHAUSTION AND BOREDOM. THE ONE THING YOU WILL NOT HEAR HIM TALK ABOUT IS YOU. HE WOULD NOT TALK ABOUT YOUR NEEDS, YOUR DREAMS, AND YOUR DESIRES. I WILL TELL YOU, BELIEVING IN A PRESIDENT WHO ACTUALLY SERVES YOU WORSE. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, ON THAT POINT, I WANT TO GET TO YOUR RESPONSE. WHY DID YOU KILL THAT BILL? AND SELECTS BILLY -- SUCCESSFULLY SELL. >> SHE SAID PEOPLE START LEAVING, THEY DON'T GO TO HER RALLIES. THERE IS NO REASON TO GO. SHE'S BRINGING THEM IN, PAYING THEM TO

BE THERE, AND THEN SHOWING THEM IN A DIFFERENT LIGHT. SHE CAN'T TALK ABOUT THAT. PEOPLE DON'T LEAVE MY RALLIES. WE'VE HAD THE MOST INCREDIBLE RALLIES IN THE HIS THREE OF POLITICS. PEOPLE WANT TO TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK. WE ARE FAILING NATION. IT HAPPENS 3 1/2 YEARS AGO. WHAT'S GOING ON HERE, YOU WILL END UP IN WAR WILL TREE -- WORLD WAR III. WHAT THEY HAVE DONE, ALLOWING THESE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE TO COME INTO OUR COUNTRY, LOOK AT WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THE TOWNS ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES. IT WILL NOT BE AURORA OR

SPRINGFIELD, A LOT DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT, BECAUSE THEY ARE SO EMBARRASSED BY IT. IN SPRINGFIELD, THEY ARE EATING THE DOGS, THE PEOPLE THAT CAME IN. THEY ARE EATING THE DOGS, CATS, THE PEOPLE ARE EATING THE PETS OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE. THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR COUNTRY, AND IT'S A SHAME. AS FAR AS RALLIES ARE CONCERNED, THEY LIKE WHAT I SAY. THEY WANT TO BRING OUR COUNTRY BACK. IT'S A VERY SIMPLE PHRASE. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. SHE'S DESTROYING THIS COUNTRY. IF SHE BECOMES PRESIDENT, THIS COUNTRY DOESN'T HAVE A CHANCE OF SUCCESS.

IT WILL END UP BEING VENEZUELA ON STAIR WORDS -- STEROIDS. >> NBC NEWS DID REACH OUT TO THE CITY MANAGER. HE TOLD US THERE HAVE BEEN NO CREDIBLE REPORTS OF PETS BEING HARMED, INJURED, OR ABUSED BY INDIVIDUALS WITHIN THE EMIGRANT COMMUNITY. >> THE PEOPLE ON TELEVISION SAID, MY DOG WAS TAKEN AND USED FOR FOOD. MAYBE HE SAID THAT, AND MAYBE THAT'S A GOOD THING TO SAY FOR CITY MANAGER. BUT THE PEOPLE SAID THAT THE DOG WAS EATEN BY THE PEOPLE THAT WENT THERE. AGAIN, THE CITY MANAGER SAYS THERE IS NO EVIDENCE. >> WE WILL FIND

OUT. VICE PRESIDENT, I WILL LET YOU RESPOND TO WHAT YOU HEARD. >> [ LAUGHTER ] TALK ABOUT EXTREME. I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY AND THIS ELECTION, I ACTUALLY HAVE THE ENDORSEMENT OF 200 REPUBLICANS WHO HAVE FORMED -- >> HIS FORMER CHIEF OF STAFF, A FOUR STAR GENERAL, WHO SAYS HE HAS CONTEMPT FOR THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES. AS FOR MY NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR SAYS HE IS DANGEROUS AND UNFIT. HIS FORMER SECRETARY OF DEFENSE HAS SAID THAT THEY WOULD NEVER SURVIVE ANOTHER TRUMP TURN. AND WHEN WE LISTEN TO THIS KIND OF

RHETORIC, THE ISSUES THAT AFFECT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, WHEN THEY ARE NOT BEING ADDRESSED. I THINK THE CHOICE IS CLEAR IN THIS ELECTION. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, I WILL GIVE YOU A QUICK MINUTE TO RESPOND. >> THANK YOU. SEE, I'M A DIFFERENT KIND OF A PERSON. I FIRED MOST OF THOSE PEOPLE. I FIRED THEM. THEY NEVER FIRED ONE PERSON. THEY DIDN'T FIRE ANYBODY HAVING TO DO WITH AFGHANISTAN, THE TALIBAN, THE 13 PEOPLE WHO WERE JUST KILLED VICIOUSLY AND VIOLENTLY KILLED. I GOT TO KNOW THE PARENTS, THE FAMILY. THEY SHOULD HAVE FIRED ALL THOSE GENERALS, ALL THOSE TOP

PEOPLE. THAT WAS ONE OF THE MOST INCOMPETENTLY HANDLED SITUATIONS ANYBODY HAS EVER SEEN. WHEN SOMEBODY DOES A BAD JOB, I FIRED HIM. HE TOOK A GUY LIKE HIM, HE WAS NO GOOD, I FIRED HIM. HE WRITES A BOOK. THEY HAVE DONE SUCH A POOR JOB. AND THEY NEVER FIRE ANYBODY. LOOK AT THE ECONOMY. LOOK AT THE INFLATION. THE HAD THE SAME PEOPLE. THAT'S A GOOD WAY NOT TO HAVE BOOKS WRITTEN ABOUT YOU, BUT JUST TO FINISH, I GOT MORE VOTES THAN ANY REPUBLICAN IN HISTORY BY FAR. IN FACT, I GOT MORE VOTES THAN ANY SITTING

PRESIDENT IN HISTORY, BY FAR. >> LET ME CONTINUE ON IMMIGRATION. LET'S GET BACK TO YOUR PROPOSAL THAT THE VICE PRESIDENT HAS REACTED TO, AS WELL. PRESIDENT TRUMP, YOU CALL THIS THE LARGEST DEPORTATION EFFORT IN THIS COUNTRY, YOU SAY WOULD USE THE NATIONAL GUARD. YOU ALSO SAID YOU WOULD LOSE -- USE LOCAL POLICE. HOW WOULD YOU SUPPORT 11 MILLION UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS? TAKE US THROUGH THIS. WITH A GO DOOR TO DOOR IN THIS COUNTRY? >> IT IS MUCH HIGHER BECAUSE OF THEM. THEY ALLOWED CRIMINALS, MILLIONS OF CRIMINALS! THEY ALLOWED TARIFFS, COMMON STREET CRIMINALS. THEY ALLOWED PEOPLE TO

COME IN. AND NOW IN THE UNITED STATES. AND TOLD BY THEIR COUNTRIES LIKE VENEZUELA, DON'T EVER COME BACK, WE ARE GOING TO KILL YOU. DO YOU KNOW CRIME IN VENEZUELA, COUNTRIES ALL OVER THE WORLD, IT'S WAY DOWN. DO YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE THEY ARE TAKING CRIMINALS OFF THE STREET AND GIVING IT TO HER. THIS WILL BE ONE OF THE GREATEST MISTAKES IN HISTORY. I THINK THEY PROBABLY DID IT BECAUSE -- BUT IT'S NOT WORTH IT. THEY ARE DESTROYING THE FABRIC OF OUR COUNTRY BY WHAT THEY'VE DONE. IT'S NEVER BEEN ANYTHING DONE LIKE THIS AT ALL.

THEY DESTROYED THE FABRIC OF OUR COUNTRY. MILLIONS OF PEOPLE LET IN. AND ALL OVER THE WORLD, CRIME IS DOWN. ALL OVER THE WORLD EXCEPT HERE. CRIME IS UP THROUGH THE ROOF. CRIME IN THIS COUNTRY IS THROUGH THE ROOF. AND WE HAVE A NEW FORM OF CRIME CALLED MIGRANT CRIME. IT'S HAPPENING AT LEVELS NOBODY THOUGHT POSSIBLE. >> TRUMP, AS YOU KNOW THE FBI SAYS OVERALL, CRIME IS GOING DOWN. >> THEY WERE DEFRAUDING STATEMENTS. THEY DIDN'T INCLUDE THE WORST CITIES, THEY DIDN'T INCLUDE THE CITIES WITH THE WORST CRIME. JUST LIKE THERE ARE A NUMBER OF 818,000 JOBS

THEY SAID THEY CREATED, TURNING OUT TO BE FRAUD. >> I THINK THIS IS SO RICH COMING FROM SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN PROSECUTED FOR NATIONAL SECURITY CRIMES, ECONOMIC CRIMES, ELECTION INTERFERENCE, HAS BEEN FOUND LIABLE FOR SEXUAL ASSAULT, AND HIS NEXT BIG COURT APPEARANCE IS IN NOVEMBER AT HIS OWN CRIMINAL SENTENCING. LET'S BE CLEAR, WHERE EACH PERSON STANDS ON THE ISSUE OF WHAT IS IMPORTANT ABOUT RESPECT FOR THE RULE OF LAW, AND RESPECT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT. THE FORMER VICE PRESIDENT CALLED FOR THE DEFUNDING OF FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT. 45,000 AGENTS. GET THIS, ON THE DAY AFTER HE WAS

ARRAIGNED ON 34 FELONY COUNTS. LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT IS IMPORTANT IN THIS RACE. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE MOVE FORWARD. THAT WE TURNED THE PAGE ON THE SAME OLD TIRED RHETORIC AND ADDRESS THE NEEDS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. ADDRESS WHAT WE NEED TO DO ABOUT THE HOUSING SHORTAGE, WHICH I HAVE A PLAN FOR. ADDRESS WHAT WE MUST DO TO SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESSES, ADDRESS BRINGING DOWN THE PRICES OF GROCERIES. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE EXHAUSTED WITH THE SAME OLD TIRED PLAYBOOK. >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, THANK YOU. >> EVERY ONE OF THOSE CASES WAS STARTED BY THEM AGAINST THEIR

POLITICAL OPPONENT. I'M WINNING MOST OF THEM. YOU SAW THAT WITH THE DECISION THAT CAME DOWN JUST RECENTLY FROM THE SUPREME COURT. I'M WINNING MOST OF THEM. BUT THOSE ARE CASES THAT'S CALLED WEAPONIZATION. IT'S NEVER HAPPENED IN THIS COUNTRY. THEY WEAPONIZED THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT. EVERY ONE OF THOSE CASES WAS INVOLVED. TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF NEW YORK, THE D.A. OF NEW YORK. EVERY ONE OF THOSE CASES. AND THEN THEY SAY, OH, HE'S A CRIMINAL. THERE ARE THE ONES THAT MADE THEM DO THAT. BY THE WAY, JOE BIDEN WAS FOUND ESSENTIALLY GUILTY. AND WHAT HAPPENED IN MY

CASE? A COMPLETE AND TOTAL VICTORY. TWO MONTHS AGO, IT WAS THROWN OUT. IT'S WEAPONIZATION. IT'S NEVER HAPPENED IN THIS COUNTRY. THEY USED IT TO TRY AND WIN AN ELECTION. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, THANK YOU. YOU REALLY RESPONSE, VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS. >> WELL, LET'S TALK ABOUT EXTREME. AND UNDERSTAND THE CONTACT -- CONTEXT. THE SUPREME COURT RECENTLY RULED THAT THE FORMER PRESIDENT WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE IMMUNE FROM ANY MISCONDUCT IF HE WERE TO ENTER THE WHITE HOUSE AGAIN. UNDERSTAND, THIS IS SOMEONE WHO HAS OPENLY SAID HE WOULD TERMINATE -- ARM HOLDING, TERMINATE THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, THAT

HE WOULD WEAPONIZED THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AGAINST HIS POLITICAL ENEMIES. SOMEONE WHO HAS OPENLY EXPRESSED DISDAIN FOR MEMBERS OF OUR MILITARY. UNDERSTAND WHAT IT WOULD MEAN IF DONALD TRUMP WERE BACK IN THE WHITE HOUSE WITH NO GUARD RAILS. BECAUSE CERTAINLY, NOW THE COURT WON'T STOP HIM, JD VANCE IS NOT GOING TO STOP HIM. IT'S UP TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. >> VICE PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. >> THIS IS THE ONE THAT WEAPONIZED, NOT ME. I PROBABLY TOOK A BULLET TO THE HEAD BECAUSE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY SAY ABOUT ME. THEY TALK ABOUT DEMOCRACY, I'M A THREAT

TO DEMOCRACY. THEY ARE THE THREAT TO DEMOCRACY WITH THE FAKE RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA INVESTIGATION. >> WE HAVE A LOT TO GET TO. LINSEY? >> IN YOUR LAST RUN FOR PRESIDENT, YOU SAID YOU WANTED TO BAN FRACKING. YOU SUPPORTED DECRIMINALIZING BORDER CROSSINGS. NOW YOU ARE TAKING A HARDER LINE. I KNOW YOU SAY YOUR VALUES HAVE NOT CHANGED. BUT WHY HAVE SO MANY OF YOUR POLICY POSITIONS CHANGED? >> MY VALUES HAVE NOT CHANGED. I WILL DISCUSS EVERY ONE OF THEM. AT LEAST EVERY POINT THAT YOU MADE. I MADE THAT VERY CLEAR IN 2020, I WILL NOT BAN

FRACKING. I HAVE NOT BANNED FRACKING. I WAS THE TIE-BREAKING VOTE ON THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT, WHICH OPENED NEW LEASES. MY POSITION, WE HAVE GOT TO INVEST IN DIVERSE SOURCES OF ENERGY SO WE REDUCE OUR LINES ON FOREIGN OIL. WE HAVE THE LARGEST INCREASE IN DOMESTIC OIL PRODUCTION IN HISTORY BECAUSE OF AN APPROACH THAT RECOGNIZES THAT WE CANNOT OVER RELY ON FOREIGN OIL. AS IT RELATES TO MY VALUES, LET ME TELL YOU. I GREW UP A MIDDLE-CLASS KID RAISED BY A HARD-WORKING MOTHER WHO WORKED, SAVES, AND WAS ABLE TO BUY OUR FIRST HOME WHEN I WAS

A TEENAGER. THE VALUES I BRING TO THE IMPORTANCE OF HOMEOWNERSHIP, KNOWING THAT EVERYONE GOT HANDED $400 MILLION ON A SILVER PLATTER AND FILED BANKRUPTCY SIX TIMES IS A VALUE I BRING TO MY WORK. WE WILL WORK WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR IN HOMEBUILDERS TO INCREASE BY 3 MILLION HOMES BY THE END OF MY FIRST TERM. MY WORK THAT IS RELATED TO HAVING A FRIEND WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL WHO WAS SEXUALLY ASSAULTED BY HER STEPFATHER. MY FOCUS THEN, PROTECTING WOMEN AND CHILDREN FROM VIOLENT CRIME IS BASED ON A VALUE THAT IS DEEPLY GROUNDED IN THE

IMPORTANCE OF STANDING UP FOR THOSE THAT ARE MOST VULNERABLE. ABOUT PROTECTING SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE. BASED ON LONG-STANDING WORK I HAVE DONE. MY VALUES HAVE NOT CHANGED. AND WHAT IS IMPORTANT, THERE IS A PRESIDENT WHO ACTUALLY BRINGS VALUES AND PERSPECTIVES THAT IS ABOUT LIFTING PEOPLE UP, AND NOT BEATING PEOPLE DOWN. AND NAME-CALLING. THE TRUE MEASURE OF A LEADER, A LEADER WHO ACTUALLY UNDERSTANDS THAT STRENGTH IS NOT IN BEATING PEOPLE DOWN. IT'S LIFTING PEOPLE UP. I INTEND TO BE THAT PRESIDENT. >> FIRST OF ALL, I WASN'T GIVEN $400 MILLION. I WISH I WAS. I HAD A

GREAT FATHER AND I LEARNED A LOT FROM HIM. I WAS GIVEN A TINY FRACTION OF THAT, AND BUILT IT INTO MANY, MANY BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. WHEN PEOPLE SEE IT, THEY ARE EVEN SURPRISED. WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THAT. FRACKING, SHE'S BEEN AGAINST IT FOR 12 YEARS. DEFENDING THE PULLEYS, SHE'S BEEN AGAINST IT FOREVER. VERY WRONGLY, VERY HORRIBLY. EVERYONE'S LAUGHING AT IT. THEY ARE ALL LAUGHING UP AT IT. SHE WAS BIG ON DEFUNDING THE POLICE. IN MINNESOTA -- WAIT A MINUTE, I'M TALKING NOW, IF YOU DON'T MIND. PLEASE. DOES THAT SOUND FAMILIAR? SHE WENT OUT IN

MINNESOTA AND WANTED TO LET CRIMINALS THAT KILLED PEOPLE, THAT BURNED DOWN MINNEAPOLIS, SHE WENT OUT AND RAISED MONEY TO GET THEM OUT OF JAIL. SHE DID THINGS NOBODY WOULD EVER THINK OF. TRANSGENDER -- AND ILLEGAL ALIENS THAT ARE IN PRISON. SHE WOULD NEVER ALLOW FRACKING IN PENNSYLVANIA. IF SHE WON, FRACKING IN PENNSYLVANIA WILL END ON DAY ONE. JUST TO FINISH ONE THING THAT IS SO IMPORTANT IN MY OPINION. I GOT THE BUSINESS GOING LIKE ANYONE EVER BEFORE. THE PRICES WERE GOING UP. THEY IMMEDIATELY LET THESE GUYS GO TO WHERE THEY WERE. I WOULD HAVE EEN

FIVE TIMES, FOUR TIMES HIGHER. TALK ABOUT THREE AND HALF YEARS AGO. THEY GOT UP TO WHERE I WAS, BECAUSE THEY HAD NO CHOICE. THEY WERE QUADRUPLING AND DOUBLING. YOU SAW WHAT HAPPENED. THEY SAID, LET'S GO BACK TO TRUMP. THE DAY AFTER THAT ELECTION, THEY WOULD GO BACK TO DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY. OIL WILL BE DEAD, FOSSIL FUELS WILL BE DEAD. WE WILL GO BACK TO WINDMILLS AND SOLAR WORD THEY NEED A WHOLE DESERT TO GET SOME ENERGY. BY THE WAY, I'M A BIG FAN OF SOLAR. BUT THEY TAKE 400, 500 ACRES OF DESERT SOIL. >> THANK

YOU. >> WE HAVE AN ELECTION IN JUST 56 DAYS. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE PEACEFUL TRANSFER OF POWER. OF COURSE, WE ALL KNOW IT'S THE CORNER STORE -- CORNERSTONE OF OUR DEMOCRACY. YOU TOLD SUPPORTERS TO MUCH FOR THE CAPITOL AND YOU SAID YOU WOULD BE RIGHT THERE WITH THEM. THE COUNTRY IN THE WORLD FOUND OUT. YOU WATCHED IT UNFOLD, AND YOU DID SEND OUT TWEETS, BUT IT WAS MORE THAN TWO HOURS BEFORE YOU SENT OUT THEIR VIDEO MESSAGE, TELLING SUPPORTERS TO GO HOME. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU REGRET ABOUT WHAT YOU DID? >> YOU JUST

SAID A SAYING THAT ISN'T COVERED. PEACEFULLY AND PATRIOTICALLY. PEACEFULLY AND PATRIOTICALLY. NOBODY ON THE OTHER SIDE WAS KILLED. SHOT BY AN OUT-OF-CONTROL POLICE OFFICER THAT SHOULD HAVE NEVER, EVER SHOT HER. WE DIDN'T DO THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN TREATED SO BADLY. I ASKED, WHAT ABOUT ALL THE PEOPLE POURING INTO OUR COUNTRY AND KILLING PEOPLE? SHE WAS THE BORDER CZAR, REMEMBER THAT. SHE SAID AT THE BEGINNING, I'M SURPRISED YOU ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE BORDER. BECAUSE SHE'S KNOWN WHAT A BAD JOB THEY'VE DONE. WHEN WILL THEY BE PROSECUTED? WILL THESE PEOPLE FROM COUNTRIES ALL

OVER THE WORLD, NOT TO SOUTH AMERICA. THEY COME IN FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD, DAVID. ALL OVER THE WORLD! AND CRIME RATES ARE DOWN ALL OVER THE WORLD BECAUSE OF IT. WAIT A MINUTE. WHEN WILL THOSE PEOPLE BE PROSECUTED? WHEN WILL THE PEOPLE THAT BURNED DOWN MINNEAPOLIS BE PROSECUTED? OR IN SEATTLE? THEY TAKE OVER A BIG PERCENTAGE OF THE CITY OF SEATTLE. WHEN WILL THEY BE EXECUTED? YOU MIGHT ASK HER THAT QUESTION. >> YOU ARE WATCHING IT UNFOLD ON TELEVISION. IT'S A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION AS WE MOVE FORWARD. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU REGRET ABOUT WHAT

YOU DID ON THAT DAY? >> I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. I SHOWED UP FOR SPEECH. I WENT TO NANCY PELOSI AND THE MAYOR OF WASHINGTON, D.C. THE MAYOR PUT IT BACK IN WRITING, AS YOU KNOW. I SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS WILL BE A VERY BIG RALLY, OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. IT WASN'T DONE BY ME, IT WAS DONE BY OTHERS. I SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU 10,000 SOLDIERS. THEY REJECTED ME. IT WAS JUST TWO WEEKS AGO. HER DAUGHTER HAS A TAPE OF SAYING SHE IS FULLY RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT HAPPENED.

THEY WANT TO GET RID OF THAT TAPE. IT WOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED IF THEY DID THEIR JOBS. I WASN'T RESPONSIBLE FOR SECURITY, NANCY PELOSI WAS RESPONSIBLE. >> THE QUESTION WAS ABOUT YOU AS PRESIDENT, NOT ABOUT NANCY PELOSI. BUT I DO WANT VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS TO RESPOND HERE. >> I WAS AT THE CAPITOL. I WAS THE VICE PRESIDENT ELECT AND AN ACTING SENATOR. I WAS THERE. ON THAT DAY, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES INCITED A VIOLENT MOB TO ATTACK OUR NATION'S CAPITOL , TO DESECRATE OUR NATIONS CAPITOL . ON THAT DAY, 140 LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS

WERE INJURED. AND SOME DIED. AND UNDERSTAND, THE FORMER PRESIDENT HAS BEEN INDICTED AND IMPEACHED FOR EXACTLY THAT REASON. BUT THIS IS NOT AN ISOLATED SITUATION. LET'S REMEMBER CHARLOTTESVILLE. WHERE THERE WAS A MOB OF PEOPLE CARRYING TIKI TORCHES, SPEWING ANTI-SOMATIC HATE. AND WHETHER THE PRESIDENT THEN AT THE TIME SAY? THEY WOULD ASSIGN PEOPLE ON EACH SIDE. LET'S REMEMBER, WHEN IT CAME TO THE PROUD BOYS, A MILITIA, THE FORMER PRESIDENT SAID STAND BACK AND STAND BY. FOR EVERYONE WATCHING WHO REMEMBER WHAT JANUARY 6th WAS, I WOULD SAY, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK. LET'S NOT GO BACK.

WE ARE NOT GOING BACK. IT'S TIME TO TURN THE PAGE. IF THAT WAS TOO FAR FOR YOU, THERE IS A PLACE IN OUR CAMPAIGN FOR YOU TO STAND FOR COUNTRY, TO STAND FOR OUR DEMOCRACY, TO STAND FOR RULE OF LAW, AND TO END THE CHAOS. TO END THE APPROACH THAT IS ABOUT ATTACKING THE FOUNDATIONS OF OUR DEMOCRACY. BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE THE OUTCOME. AND BE CLEAR ON THAT POINT. DONALD TRUMP, THE CANDIDATE HAD SAID IN THIS ELECTION THAT THERE WOULD BE A BLOODBATH. THAT IS IF THE OUTCOME OF THIS ELECTION ISN'T TO HIS LIKING. LET'S

TURN THE PAGE ON THIS. LET'S NOT GO BACK. LET'S TURN A COURSE FOR THE FUTURE AND NOT GO BACKWARDS TO THE PAST. >> LET ME JUST FOLLOW UP HERE -- >> IT WAS A DIFFERENT TERM THAT RELATED TO ENERGY. THEY HAVE DESTROYED OUR ENERGY BUSINESS. ALSO IN CHARLOTTESVILLE, THAT STORY AS YOU WOULD SAY HAS BEEN DEBUNKED. MAURA INGRAM, ALL OF THESE PEOPLE. IF THEY GO AN EXTRA SENTENCE, THEY WOULD SEE IT WAS PERFECT. IT WAS DEBUNKED IN ALMOST EVERY NEWSPAPER. THEY BRING ALL OF THIS STUFF UP. I ASK YOU THIS. YOU TALK ABOUT THE CAPITOL,

WHY ARE WE ALLOWING THESE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE TO COME THROUGH ON THE SOUTHERN BORDER? AND I WILL TELL YOU WHAT I WOULD DO. I WOULD BE VERY PROUD TO DO IT. I WOULD SAY WE WOULD BOTH LEAVE THIS DEBATE RIGHT NOW, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HER GO DOWN TO WASHINGTON, D.C. DURING THIS DEBATE. BECAUSE WE ARE WASTING A LOT OF TIME. SHE SO BAD, IT'S RIDICULOUS. GO DOWN TO WASHINGTON, D.C. AND LET HER SIGN A BILL TO CLOSE THE BORDER. THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO IT. THEY DON'T NEED BILLS. THEY HAVE THE RIGHT

TO DO IT. THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, YOU GET OUT OF BED, WAKE HIM UP AT 4:00 IN THE AFTERNOON, BRING HIM TO THE OFFICE TO SIGN THE BILL. IF HE SIGNS A BILL THAT THE BORDER IS CLOSED, ALL HE HAS TO DO, IF THEY DO THAT, THE BORDER IS CLOSED. THE PEOPLE ARE KILLING MANY PEOPLE. >> WE TALKED TO IMMIGRATION HERE, I DO WANT TO FOCUS ON THIS. TRUTH IN THESE TIMES THAT WE ARE LIVING IN. MR. PRESIDENT, FOR 3 1/2 YEARS AFTER YOU WATCH THE 2020 ELECTION, YOU REPEATEDLY FALSELY CLAIMED THAT YOU

WON, MANY TIMES SAYING YOU WON IN A LANDSLIDE. LEADING UP TO THIS DEBATE, YOU HAVE SAID, QUOTE, YOU LOST BY A WHISKER, THAT YOU, QUOTE, DID IT QUITE MAKE IT. ARE YOU NOW ACKNOWLEDGING THAT YOU LOST? >> NO, I DON'T ACKNOWLEDGE THAT AT ALL. I SAID IT SARCASTIC. YOU KNOW THAT. I WAS BEING SARCASTIC. THERE IS SO MUCH PER. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS LOOK AT IT. THEY SHOULD HAVE SENT IT BACK TO THE LEGISLATION FOR APPROVAL. THE MOST VOTES ANY SITTING PRESIDENT HAS EVER GOT. THAT'S WHAT I GOT IN 2016. YOU CAN'T BE

BEATEN. THE ELECTION CYCLE SHOULD NOT BE THINKING ABOUT AN ELECTION IS FRAUDULENT. WE NEED TWO THINGS. WE HAVE TO HAVE IT. WE HAVE TO HAVE BORDERS AND GOOD ELECTIONS. A LOT OF THESE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS COMING IN, THEY ARE TRYING TO GET THEM TO VOTE. THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT COUNTRY THEY ARE IN PRACTICALLY. THESE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET THEM TO VOTE. THAT'S WHY THEY ARE ALLOWING THEM TO COME INTO OUR COUNTRY. >> I DIDN'T ATTACK THE SARCASM LOST. YOU KNOW THIS. YOU AND YOUR ALLIES, 60 CASES. >> I JUST LOOKED AT IT. THAT'S THE

OTHER THING. THEY SAID WE DIDN'T HAVE STANDINGS. CAN YOU IMAGINE A SYSTEM WHERE PERSON IN THE ELECTION DOESN'T HAVE A STANDING? THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES DOESN'T HAVE STANDING. THAT'S HOW WE LOST. YOU DO A SPECIAL ON IT. I WILL SHOW YOU GEORGIA, WISCONSIN, AND SO MANY STATISTICS. YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT DOESN'T MATTER. THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE A NATION IN DECLINE. AND THEY HAVE PUT IT INTO DECLINE. >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, WE HEARD HIM SAY THAT HE DIDN'T SAY THAT. HE STILL BELIEVES HE DID NOT LOSE THE ELECTION THAT

WAS WON BY PRESIDENT BIDEN AND YOURSELF. I DO WANT TO ASK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT HAS COME UP. THIS WAS A POST FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP ABOUT THIS UPCOMING ELECTION. HE SAID, WHEN I WIN, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO CHEATED. HE SAYS THEY WILL BE PROSECUTED TO THE FULLEST EXTENT OF THE LAW, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE LONG- TERM PRISON SENTENCES. THEY RESPONDED SAYING, WE WON'T LET DONALD TRUMP INTIMIDATE US, AND WE WON'T LET THEM SUPPRESS THE VOTE. >> DONALD TRUMP WAS FIRED BY 81 MILLION PEOPLE. LET'S BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. CLEARLY, HE'S HAVING A VERY DIFFICULT TIME PROCESSING THAT.

BUT WE CANNOT AFFORD TO HAVE A PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WHO ATTEMPTS, AS HE DID IN THE PAST, TO UP AND THE WILL OF THE VOTERS. NOW I WILL TELL YOU, I HAVE TRAVELED THE WORLD AS VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. I HAVE TALKED WITH MILITARY LEADERS, SOME OF THEM WHO WORK WITH YOU. AND THEY SAY YOU ARE A DISGRACE. AND WHEN YOU TALK IN THIS WAY, AND DENY OVER AND OVER AGAIN WHAT ARE CORE THINGS YOU HAVE LOST, BECAUSE YOU DID IN FACT LOSE THAT ELECTION. IT LEADS ONE TO BELIEVE THAT PERHAPS

WE DO NOT HAVE THE TEMPERAMENT, OR THE ABILITY TO NOT BE CONFUSED ABOUT FACT. THAT IS DEEPLY TROUBLING. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE BETTER. >> LET ME JUST SAY THIS, VICTOR, ONE OF THE MOST RESPECTED MEN, HE'S A TOUGH PERSON. SMART. THEY SAID, WISE THE WHOLE WORLD BLOWING UP? THREE YEARS AGO, IT WASN'T. HE SAID, BECAUSE YOU NEED TRUMP BACK AS PRESIDENT. THEY WERE AFRAID OF HIM. CHINA WAS AFRAID. I DON'T LIKE TO USE THE WORD AFRAID. NORTH KOREA WAS AHEAD OF THEM. LOOK AT WHAT IS GOING ON WITH NORTH KOREA BY THE WAY. I ENDED

THE PIPELINE, AND BIDEN PUT IT BACK ON DAY ONE. THE XL PIPELINE IN OUR COUNTRY, HE ENDED THAT. BUT HE LET THE RUSSIANS BUILD A PIPELINE GOING ALL OVER EUROPE. THE BIGGEST PIPELINE IN THE WORLD. LOOK, VIKTOR ORBAN SAID IT. HE SAID THE MOST RESPECTED MOST FEARED PERSON IS DONALD TRUMP. WE HAD NO PROBLEMS WHEN TRUMP WAS PRESIDENT. WHEN THIS WEAK PATHETIC MAN THAT YOU SAW JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO, THAT IF YOU WEREN'T AT THAT DEBATE, HE WOULD BE RUNNING INSTEAD OF HER. SHE GOT NO VOTES, HE GOT 14 MILLION VOTES. HE GOT 14

MILLION VOTES, AND THEY THREW HIM OUT OF OFFICE. I WILL GIVE YOU A LITTLE SECRET, HE HATES HER. HE CAN'T STAND HER. HE GOT 14 MILLION VOTES, THEY THREW HIM OUT. SHE GOT ZERO VOTES. SHE WAS THE FIRST ONE TO LEAVE BECAUSE SHE FAILED. AND NOW SHE'S RUNNING. I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, BUT I'M OKAY WITH IT. I THINK WE WOULD DO VERY WELL. >> THE HOSTAGES WHO WERE STILL BEING HELD, VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS IN DECEMBER, YOU SAID THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEFEND ITSELF, BUT YOU SAID, QUOTE, IT MATTERS HOW. THEY MUST DO MORE TO

PROTECT INNOCENT CIVILIANS. YOU SAID THAT NINE MONTHS AGO. NOW AN ESTIMATED 40,000 PALESTINIANS ARE DEAD. JUST LAST WEEK, PRIME MINISTER BENJAMIN NETANYAHU SAYS THERE IS NOT ONE IN THE MAKING. HOW DID YOU DO IT? >> WELL, LET'S UNDERSTAND HOW I GOT HERE. ON OCTOBER 7th, HAMAS, A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION SLAUGHTERED 1200 ISRAELI. MANY OF THEM, YOUNG PEOPLE WHO -- WOMEN WERE HORRIBLY . SO ABSOLUTELY. AS I SAY NOW, ISRAEL HAS THE RIGHT TO DEFEND ITSELF. IT IS ALSO TRUE. FAR TOO MANY INNOCENT PALESTINIANS HAVE BEEN KILLED. CHILDREN, MOTHERS. WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT THIS WAR MUST

END. IT MUST END. AND THE WAY IT WILL END, WE NEED TO HOSTAGES OUT. SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK AROUND THE CLOCK ON THAT. WORK AROUND THE CLOCK. ALSO UNDERSTANDING THAT WE MUST CHART FOR A TWO STATE SOLUTION. AND IN THAT, THERE MUST BE SECURITY FOR THE ISRAELI PEOPLE, AND AN EQUAL MEASURE FOR THE PALESTINIANS. THE ONE THING I WILL ASSURE YOU ALWAYS, I WILL ALWAYS GIVE ISRAEL THE ABILITY TO DEFEND ITSELF, PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES TO IRAN, ANY THREATS THAT IRAN AND ITS PROXIES POSED TO ISRAEL. BUT WE MUST HAVE A SOLUTION WHERE

WE CAN REBUILD GAZA, WHERE THE PALESTINIANS HAVE SECURITY, SELF-DETERMINATION, AND THE DIGNITY THAT THEY SO RIGHTFULLY DESERVE. >> IN ORDER TO GET THE HOSTAGES, AND PREVENT THE KILLING OF MORE INNOCENT CIVILIANS IN GAZA? >> IF I WERE PRESIDENT, IT WOULD HAVE NEVER STARTED. IF I WERE PRESIDENT, RUSSIA WOULD HAVE NEVER EVER -- I KNOW PUTIN VERY WELL. THERE WAS NO THREAT OF IT EITHER FOR 4 YEARS, THEY HAVE NEVER GONE INTO UKRAINE AND KILLED MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. IT'S FAR WORSE THAN WHAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND OVER THERE. BUT WHEN SHE MENTIONS ABOUT ISRAEL, ALL OF A SUDDEN,

SHE HATES ISRAEL. SHE WOULDN'T EVEN MEET WITH NETANYAHU WHEN HE WENT TO CONGRESS TO MAKE A VERY IMPORTANT SPEECH. SHE REFUSED TO BE THERE, BECAUSE SHE WAS AT A SORORITY PARTY OF HERS. SHE WANTED TO GO TO THE SORORITY PARTY. SHE HATES ISRAEL. I BELIEVE THEY WOULD NOT EXIST WITHIN TWO YEARS FROM NOW. PREDICTIONS AND I HOPE I'M WRONG ABOUT THAT ONE. SHE HATES ISRAEL BUT AT THE SAME TIME IN HER OWN WAY, SHE HATES THE ARAB POPULATION BECAUSE THE WHOLE PLACE IS GOING TO GET BLOWN UP, ARABS, JEWISH PEOPLE, ISRAEL, ISRAEL WILL BE GONE.

IT WOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED IRAN WAS BROKE, UNDER DONALD TRUMP, NOW IRAN HAS $300 BILLION BECAUSE THEY TOOK OFF ALL THE SANCTIONS THAT I HAD AND IRAN HAD NO MONEY FOR HAMAS OR HEZBOLLAH OR ANY OF THE 28 DIFFERENT SPHERES OF TERROR AND THEY ARE SPHERES OF TERROR, HORRIBLE SPHERES, THEY HAD NO MONEY, IT WAS A BIG STORY AND YOU KNOW IT, YOU COVERED IT VERY WELL ACTUALLY, THEY HAD NO MONEY, THEY WERE BROKE. NOW THEY ARE A RICH NATION AND NOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS THEY ARE SPREADING THAT MONEY AROUND LOOK AT WHAT

IS HAPPENING IN YEMEN, WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE MIDDLE EAST, THIS WOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED, I WOULD GET THAT SETTLED AND FAST AND I WOULD GET THE WAR WITH UKRAINE AND RUSSIA IF I AM PRESIDENT ELECT I WILL GET IT DONE BEFOR , EVEN BECOMING PRESIDENT. >> HE SAYS YOU HATE ISRAEL. >> THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE, I HAVE MY ENTIRE CAREER IN LIFE SUPPORTED ISRAEL AND THE ISRAELI PEOPLE, HE KNOWS THAT, HE IS TRYING TO AGAIN DIVIDE AND DISTRACT FROM THE REALITY WHICH IS IT IS VERY WELL KNOWN THAT DONALD TRUMP IS WEAK AND

WRONG ON NATIONAL SECURITY AND FOREIGN POLICY, IT IS WELL KNOWN THAT HE ADMIRES DICTATORS. WANTS TO BE A DICTATOR ON DAY ONE ACCORDING TO HIMSELF. IT IS WELL KNOWN THAT HE SAID OF PUTIN THAT HE CAN DO WHATEVER HE WANTS AND GOING TO UKRAINE. IT IS WELL-KNOWN THAT HE SAID WHEN RUSSIA WENT INTO UKRAINE, IT WAS BRILLIANT. IT IS WELL KNOWN HE EXCHANGED LOVE LETTERS WITH KIM JONG AND IT IS ABSOLUTELY WELL-KNOWN THAT THESE DICTATORS AND AUTOCRATS ARE ROOTING FOR YOU TO BE PRESIDENT AGAIN BECAUSE THEY ARE SO CLEAR, THEY CAN MANIPULATE YOU WITH FLATTERY

AND FAVORS. AND THAT IS WHY SO MANY MILITARY LEADERS WHO YOU HAVE WORKED WITH HAVE TOLD ME YOU ARE A DISGRACE, THAT IS WHY WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO IS NOT CONSISTENTLY WEAK AND WRONG ON NATIONAL SECURITY INCLUDING THE IMPORTANCE OF UPHOLDING AND RESPECTING IN HIGHEST REGARD OUR MILITARY. >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS THANK YOU. >> SHE IS THE ONE THAT CAUSED IT THAT IS WEAK ON NATIONAL SECURITY BY ALLOWING EVERY NATION, LAST MONTH FOR THE YEAR, 168 DIFFERENT COUNTRIES SENDING PEOPLE INTO OUR COUNTRY THE CRIME RATES ARE WAY DOWN. PUTIN

ENDORSED HER LAST WEEK I SAID I HOPE SHE WENT AND I THINK HE MEANT IT BECAUSE WHAT HE'S GOTTEN AWAY WITH IS ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE, IT WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED WITH ME, THE LEADERS OF OTHER COUNTRIES THINK THAT THEY ARE WEAK AND INCOMPETENT AND THEY ARE, THEY ARE GROSSLY INCOMPETENT AND I JUST ASK ONE QUESTION, WHY DOES BIDEN GO IN AND KILL THE KEYSTONE PIPELINE AND APPROVE THE SINGLE BIGGEST DEAL THAT RUSH IS EVER MADE NORDSTROM TO THE BIGGEST PIPELINE ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD GOING TO GERMANY AND ALL OVER EUROPE? BECAUSE THEY ARE WEAK AND THEY

ARE INEFFECTIVE AND BIDEN BY THE WAY. PAID A LOT OF MONEY. >> WE WILL BE BACK MORE WITH THIS HISTORIC PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE FROM THE NATIONAL CONSTITUTION CENTER, RIGHT HERE IN PHILADELPHIA, BACK IN A MOMENT. >> ABC NEWS, PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE WILL CONTINUE AFTER THIS. >> BUTLER, PENNSYLVANIA. >> EVERY WEEKNIGHT IT IS YOUR NEWS PLAYLIST. >> WE ARE BACK WITH TONIGHT'S DEBATE BETWEEN KAMALA HARRIS AND DONALD TRUMP, JOIN US FOR AN ANALYSIS OF TONIGHT'S KEY MOMENTS OUR TEAM WILL BREAK DOWN HOW IT WILL LOOK FOR THE FINAL SPRINT TO THE ELECTION DATE. NOW WE WILL GO BACK

TO PHILADELPHIA. >> LIVE FROM PHILADELPHIA, PENNSYLVANIA, HERE AGAIN, PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE. >> I WANT TO WAR, GO TO THE WAR IN UKRAINE, MR. PRESIDENT IT HAS BEEN THE POSITION OF THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION THAT WE MUST DEFEND UKRAINE FROM RUSSIA FROM VLADIMIR PUTIN TO DEFEND THEIR SOVEREIGNTY AND DEMOCRACY, THAT IT'S IN AMERICA'S BEST INTEREST TO DO SO ARGUING THAT IF PUTIN WINS, HE MAY BE EMBOLDENED TO MOVE EVEN FURTHER INTO OTHER COUNTRIES, YOU HAVE SAID YOU WOULD SOLVE THIS WAR IN 24 HOURS YOU SAID SO JUST BEFORE THE BREAK TONIGHT, HOW EXACTLY WOULD YOU DO THAT AND

I WANT TO ASK YOU A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION TONIGHT, DO YOU WANT UKRAINE TO WIN THIS WAR? >> I WANT THE WAR TO STOP, I WANT TO SAVE LIVES THAT ARE BEING USELESSLY, PEOPLE BEING KILLED BY THE MILLIONS, IT'S THE MILLIONS AND SO MUCH WORSE THAN THE NUMBERS THAT YOU ARE GETTING WHICH ARE FAKE NUMBERS, LOOK, WE ARE IN FOR 250 BILLION OR MORE. BECAUSE THEY DON'T ASK EUROPE WHICH IS A MUCH BIGGER BENEFICIARY TO GETTING THIS THING DONE THAN WE ARE, THEY ARE IN FOR $150 BILLION LESS BECAUSE BIDEN AND YOU DO NOT HAVE

THE COURAGE TO ASK EUROPE LIKE I DID WITH NATO, THEY PAID BILLIONS AND BILLIONS, HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WHEN I SAID EITHER YOU PAY UP OR WE WILL NOT PROTECT YOU ANYMORE, THAT MAY BE ONE OF THE REASONS THEY DON'T LIKE ME AS MUCH AS THEY LIKE WEAK PEOPLE, BUT, WE TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IS HAPPENING, WE ARE IN FOR 250 TO 275 BILLION, THEY ARE UP TO 100 TO 150, THEY SHOULD BE FORCED TO EQUALIZE, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WANT TO GET THE WERE SETTLED, I KNOW ZELENSKYY AND PUTIN VERY WELL,

THEY RESPECT THE PRESIDENT, THEY RESPECT ME, THEY DON'T RESPECT BIDEN, HOW WOULD YOU RESPECT HIM, FOR WHAT REASON? HE HAVE AN, HASN'T EVEN MADE A PHONE CALL TO PUTIN OR SPOKEN TO ANYBODY, THAT IS A WAR THAT IS DYING TO BE SETTLED, I WILL GET IT SETTLED BEFORE I EVEN BECOME PRESIDENT IF I WIN, WHEN I AM PRESIDENT-ELECT AND WHAT I WILL DO IS I WILL SPEAK TO ONE AND I WILL SPEAK TO THE OTHER AND GET THEM TOGETHER, THAT WAR WOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED AND IN FACT WHEN I SAW PUTIN AFTER I LEFT, UNFORTUNATELY

LEFT BECAUSE OUR COUNTRY, AFTER I SAW HIM BUILDING UP SOLDIERS, HE DID IT AFTER I LEFT I SAID OH, HE MUST BE NEGOTIATING ITS A GOOD STRONG POINT OF NEGOTIATION, WELL, IT WASN'T BECAUSE BIDEN HAD NO IDEA HOW TO TALK TO HIM, HE HAD NO IDEA HOW TO STOP IT AND NOW YOU HAVE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE DEAD AND IT'S ONLY GETTING WORSE AND IT COULD LEAD TO WORLD WAR III. DON'T KID YOURSELF DAVID, WE ARE PLAYING WITH WORLD WAR III AND WE HAVE A PRESIDENT THAT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF HE IS, WHERE IS OUR

PRESIDENT, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW. THEY THREW HIM OUT OF A CAMPAIGN LIKE A DOG WE DON'T EVEN KNOW, IS HE OUR PRESIDENT? BUT WE HAVE A PRESIDENT THAT DOESN'T KNOW HE'S ALIVE. >> YOUR TIME IS UP JUST TO CLARIFY THE QUESTION, DO YOU BELIEVE IT'S IN THE U.S.'S BEST INTEREST FOR UKRAINE TO WIN THIS WAR? >> I THINK IT'S THE U.S. BEST INTEREST TO GET THIS FINISHED AND DONE. NEGOTIATE A DEAL BECAUSE WE HAVE TO STOP ALL OF THESE HUMAN LIVES FROM BEING DESTROYED. >> I WANT TO TAKE THIS TO VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS I WANT

TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON SUPPORT FOR UKRAINE IN THIS MOMENT, BUT ALSO AS COMMANDER IN CHIEF, IF ELECTED HOW WOULD YOU DEAL WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN AND WOULD IT BE ANY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE ARE SEEING FROM PRESIDENT BIDEN? >> WELL, FIRST OF ALL IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMIND THE FORMER PRESIDENT YOU ARE NOT RUNNING AGAINST JOE BIDEN, YOU ARE RUNNING AGAINST ME. I BELIEVE EVEN THAT DONALD TRUMP SAYS THIS WAR WOULD BE OVER WITHIN 24 HOURS IS BECAUSE HE WOULD'VE GIVEN UP. AND THAT'S NOT WHO WE ARE AS AMERICANS, THAT UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED HERE. I ACTUALLY

MET WITH ZELENSKYY A FEW DAYS BEFORE RUSSIA INVADED. TRIED THROUGH FORCE TO CHANGE TERRITORIAL BOUNDARIES TO DEFY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT INTERNATIONAL RULES AND NORMS WHICH IS THE IMPORTANCE OF SOVEREIGNTY AND TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY, AND I MET WITH PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY AND SHARED WITH HIM AMERICAN INTELLIGENCE ABOUT HOW HE COULD DEFEND HIMSELF. DAYS LATER I WENT TO NATO'S EASTERN FLANK TO POLAND AND ROMANIA. AND THROUGH THE WORK THAT I AND OTHERS DID, WE BROUGHT 50 COUNTRIES TOGETHER TO SUPPORT UKRAINE IN ITS RIGHTEOUS DEFENSE AND BECAUSE OF OUR SUPPORT, BECAUSE OF THE AIR DEFENSE, THE AMMUNITION AND

THE ARTILLERY, THE JAVELINS, THE TANKS THAT WE HAVE PROVIDED, UKRAINE STANDS AS AN INDEPENDENT AND FREE COUNTRY, IF DONALD TRUMP WERE PRESIDENT, PUTIN WOULD BE SITTING IN KEY RIGHT NOW AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN, BECAUSE PUTIN'S AGENDA IS NOT JUST ABOUT UKRAINE, UNDERSTAND WHY THE EUROPEAN ALLIES AND OUR NATO ALLIES ARE SO THANKFUL THAT YOU ARE NO LONGER PRESIDENT AND THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF THE GREATEST MILITARY ALLIANCE THE WORLD HAS EVER KNOWN WHICH IS NATO. AND WHAT WE HAVE DONE TO PRESERVE THE ABILITY OF ZELENSKYY AND THE UKRAINIANS DESPITE FOR THEIR INDEPENDENCE,

OTHERWISE PUTIN WOULD BE SITTING IN KYIV WITH HIS EYES ON THE REST OF EUROPE. STARTING WITH POLAND AND WHY DON'T YOU TELL THE 800,000 POLISH AMERICANS RIGHT HERE IN PENNSYLVANIA HOW QUICKLY YOU WOULD GIVE UP FOR THE SAKE OF FAVOR AND WHAT YOU THINK IS A FRIENDSHIP WITH WHAT IS KNOWN TO BE A DICTATOR WHO WOULD EAT YOU FOR LUNCH. >> THANK YOU, WE HAVE HEARD FROM BOTH OF YOU ON UKRAINE TONIGHT, AFGHANISTAN CAME UP IN THE LAST HOUR. I WANT HER TO RESPOND TO SOMETHING YOU SAID EARLIER. PLEASE, I WILL GIVE YOU A MINUTE

HERE. >> PUTIN WOULD BE SITTING IN MOSCOW AND WE NOT NOT HAVE LOST 100,000 MEN AND WOMEN. BUT HE WOULD HAVE BEEN SITTING IN MOSCOW, QUIET PLEASE, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN SITTING IN MOSCOW MUCH HAPPIER THAN HE IS RIGHT NOW. BUT EVENTUALLY, YOU KNOW HE HAS A THING THAT OTHER PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE, THEY HAVE NUCLEAR WEAPONS. NOBODY EVER THINGS ABOUT THAT, AND EVENTUALLY MAYBE HE WILL USE THEM AND MAYBE HE HASN'T BEEN THAT THREATENING BUT HE DOES HAVE THAT. SOMETHING WE DON'T EVEN LIKE TO TALK ABOUT, NOBODY LIKES TO TALK ABOUT IT BUT JUST

SO YOU UNDERSTAND, THEY SENT HER TO NEGOTIATE PEACE BEFORE THE WAR STARTED, THREE DAYS LATER, HE WENT IN AND STARTED THE WAR. BECAUSE EVERYTHING THEY SAID WAS WEAK AND STUPID. THEY SAID THE WRONG THINGS, THAT WAR SHOULD HAVE NEVER STARTED, SHE WAS THE ADVERSARY, THEY SENT HER INTO NEGOTIATE WITH ZELENSKYY AND PUTIN. AND SHE DID AND THE WAR STARTED THREE DAYS LATER. AND THAT'S THE KIND OF TALENT WE HAVE WITH HER, SHE IS WORSE THAN BIDEN IN MYPINION I THINK HE IS THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY, SHE GOES DOWN AS THE

WORST VICE PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY BUT LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING, SHE IS A HORRIBLE NEGOTIATOR, THEY SENT HER INTO NEGOTIATE, AS SOON AS SHE LEFT, PUTIN DID THE INVASION. >> YOU DID BRING UP SOMETHING YOU WENT, VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS HAVE YOU EVER MET VLADIMIR PUTIN? >> YET AGAIN I SAID IT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE DEBATE YOU WILL HEAR A BUNCH OF LIES FROM THIS FELLOW AND THAT IS ANOTHER ONE. WHEN I WENT TO MEET WITH PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY I HAVE MET WITH HIM OVER FIVE TIMES, THE REALITY IS, IT HAS BEEN

ABOUT STANDING AS AMERICA ALWAYS SHOULD. AS A LEADER, UPHOLDING INTERNATIONAL RULES AND NORMS. AS A LEADER WHO SHOWS STRENGTH, UNDERSTANDING THAT THE ALLIANCES WE HAVE AROUND THE WORLD ARE DEPENDENT ON OUR ABILITY TO LOOK OUT FOR OUR FRIENDS AND NOT FAVOR OUR ENEMIES BECAUSE YOU ADORE STRONGMEN INSTEAD OF CARING ABOUT DEMOCRACY. AND THAT IS VERY MUCH WHAT IS AT STAKE HERE, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS COMMANDER IN CHIEF, AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO RELY ON A PRESIDENT WHO UNDERSTANDS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF AMERICA'S ROLE AND RESPONSIBILITY. IN TERMS OF ENSURING THAT

THERE IS STABILITY AND ENSURING THAT WE STAND UP FOR OUR PRINCIPLES AND NOT SELL THEM FOR THE BENEFIT OF PERSONAL FLATTERY. >> WE TALKED ABOUT UKRAINE AND LET ME PUTIN I WANT TO TALK ABOUT AFGHANISTAN IT CAME UP IN THE FIRST HOUR OF THIS DEBATE, I WANT TO MOVE ON TO AFGHANISTAN. >> TRUMP TO THE MOST AMAZING THING I HAD EVER SEEN, HE GOT THESE COUNTRIES TO 28 COUNTRIES AT THE TIME TO PAY UP, HE SAID I HAVE NEVER SEEN HE IS THE HEAD OF NATO AND SAID I HAVE NEVER SEEN FOR YEARS WE WERE

PAYING ALMOST ALL OF NATO AND BEING RIPPED OFF BY EUROPEAN NATIONS BOTH ON TRADE AND ON NATO. I GOT THEM TO PAY UP BY SAYING ONE OF THE STATEMENTS YOU SAID BEFORE IF YOU DON'T PAY, WE ARE NOT GOING TO PROTECT YOU. >> HE SAID IT WAS ONE OF THE MOST INCREDIBLE JOBS HE HAS EVER SEEN DONE. >> THANK YOU, I WANT TO TURN TO AFGHANISTAN IT CAME UP IN THE FIRST HOUR AND WE WITNESSED APPOINTED MOMENT ON CAPITOL HILL HONORING THE SOLDIERS WHO DIED IN THE CHAOTIC WITHDRAWAL FROM AFGHANISTAN I DO WANT TO ASK

THE VICE PRESIDENT DO YOU BELIEVE YOU BEAR ANY RESPONSIBILITY IN THE WAY THAT WITHDRAWAL PLAYED OUT? >> WELL I WILL TELL YOU, I AGREE WITH PRESIDENT BIDEN'S DECISION TO PULL OUT OF AFGHANISTAN. FOUR PRESIDENTS SAID THEY WOULD AND JOE BIDEN DID. AND AS A RESULT, AMERICA'S TAXPAYERS ARE NOT PAYING THE $300 MILLION A DAY WE WERE PAYING FOR THAT ENDLESS WAR. AND AS OF TODAY, THERE IS NOT ONE MEMBER OF THE UNITED STATES MILITARY WHO IS IN ACTIVE DUTY IN A COMBAT ZONE IN ANY WAR ZONE AROUND THE WORLD, THE FIRST TIME THIS CENTURY. BUT

LET'S UNDERSTAND HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE, DONALD TRUMP WHEN HE WAS PRESIDENT, NEGOTIATED ONE OF THE WEAKEST DEALS YOU CAN IMAGINE, HE CALLS HIMSELF A DEALMAKER, EVEN HIS NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR SAID IT WAS A WEAK AND TERRIBLE DEAL AND HERE'S HOW IT WENT DOWN. HE BYPASSED THE AFGHAN GOVERNMENT, HE NEGOTIATED DIRECTLY WITH A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION CALLED THE TALIBAN, THE NEGOTIATION INVOLVED THE TALIBAN GETTING 5000 TERRORISTS TO ALABAMA, TALIBAN TERRORISTS RELEASED. GET THIS, AND THE PRESIDENT AT THE TIME INVITED THE TALIBAN TO CAMP DAVID, A PLACE OF STORIED SIGNIFICANCE FOR US AS AMERICANS, A

PLACE WHERE WE HONOR THE IMPORTANCE OF AMERICAN DIPLOMACY, WHERE WE INVITE AND RECEIVE RESPECTED WORLD LEADERS, AND THIS FORMER PRESIDENT, AS PRESIDENT INVITED THEM TO CAMP DAVID BECAUSE HE DOES NOT AGAIN APPRECIATE THE ROLE AND RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. TO BE COMMANDER IN CHIEF WITH A LEVEL OF RESPECT AND THIS GETS BACK TO THE POINT IS HOW HE IS CONSISTENTLY DISPARAGED AND DEMEANED MEMBERS OF OUR MILITARY. FALLEN SOLDIERS. AND THE WORK THAT WE MUST DO TO UPHOLD THE STRENGTH AND THE RESPECT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AROUND THE WORLD. >>

THANK YOU, PRESIDENT TRUMP, YOUR RESPONSE TO HER. >> SO, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THAT PERIOD OF TIME, THE TALIBAN WAS KILLING OUR SOLDIERS, A LOT OF THEM WITH SNIPERS. AND I GOT INVOLVED WITH THE TALIBAN BECAUSE THE TALIBAN WAS DOING THE KILLING. THAT'S THE FIGHTING FORCE WITHIN AFGHANISTAN, THEY DON'T BOTHER DOING THAT BECAUSE THEY DEAL WITH THEIR OWN PEOPLE ALL THE TIME BUT I GOT INVOLVED. AND THE HEAD OF THE TALIBAN IS STILL THE HEAD OF THE TALIBAN AND I TOLD HIM, DO NOT DO IT ANYMORE, YOU DO IT ANYMORE YOU WILL HAVE

GOBLINS AND HE SAID WHY DO YOU SEND ME A PICTURE OF MY HOUSE I SAID YOU HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT AND FOR 18 MONTHS, WE HAD NOBODY KILLED. WE DID HAVE AN AGREEMENT NEGOTIATED BY MIKE POMPEO WHO IS A VERY GOOD AGREEMENT, THE REASON IT WAS GOOD IS THE ROOT GETTING OUT AND WOULD HAVE BEEN OUT FASTER THAN THEM BUT WOULD NOT HAVE LOST THE SOLDIERS OR LEFT MANY AMERICANS BEHIND AND WE WOULD NOT HAVE LEFT $85 BILLION WORTH OF BRAND-NEW BEAUTIFUL MILITARY EQUIPMENT BEHIND AND JUST TO FINISH, THEY BLEW IT. THE AGREEMENT SAID

YOU HAVE TO DO THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS AND THEY DIDN'T DO IT. THEY DIDN'T DO IT, THE AGREEMENT WAS TERMINATED BY US, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T DO WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO. >> I WANT TO MOVE ON. >> THESE PEOPLE DID THE WORST WITHDRAWAL AND IN MY OPINION THE MOST EMBARRASSING MOMENT IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY AND BY THE WAY, THAT'S WHY RUSSIA ATTACKED UKRAINE. BECAUSE THEY SAW HOW INCOMPETENT SHE AND HER BOSS ARE. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, THANK YOU. I WANT TO MOVE ON TO RECENT POLITICS IN THIS COUNTRY, MR. PRESIDENT YOU RECENT LEE

SAID A QUOTE, I DIDN'T KNOW SHE WAS BLACK UNTIL A MEMBER OF YEARS AGO SHE HAPPENED TO TURN BLACK AND NOW SHE WANTS TO BE KNOWN AS BLACK AREA I WANT TO ASK A BIGGER PICTURE QUESTION HERE TONIGHT, WHY DO YOU BELIEVE IT'S APPROPRIATE TO WEIGH IN ON THE RACIAL IDENTITY OF YOUR OPPONENT? >> I DON'T AND I DON'T CARE. I DON'T CARE WHAT SHE IS, I DON'T CARE. YOU MAKE A BIG DEAL OUT OF SOMETHING, I COULD NOT CARE LESS. WHATEVER SHE WANTS TO BE IS OKAY WITH ME. >> BUT THOSE WERE YOUR WORDS.

>> I DUNNO, I READ THAT SHE WAS NOT BLACK. THAT SHE PUT OUT. AND I WILL SAY THAT AND THEN I READ THAT SHE WAS BLACK. AND THAT'S OKAY, EITHER ONE IS OKAY WITH ME, THAT'S UP TO HER. >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS? >> I THINK IT'S I MEAN HONESTLY I THINK IT'S A TRAGEDY THAT WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO BE PRESIDENT WHO HAS CONSISTENTLY OVER THE COURSE OF HIS CAREER ATTEMPTED TO USE RACE TO DIVIDE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. YOU KNOW, I DO BELIEVE THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF US KNOW THAT

WE HAVE SO MUCH MORE IN COMMON AND WE DON'T WANT THIS KIND OF APPROACH THAT IS JUST CONSTANTLY TRYING TO DIVIDE US AND ESPECIALLY BY RACE. AND LET'S REMEMBER, HOW DONALD TRUMP STARTED, HE WAS A LAND, HE OWNED LAND AND BUILDINGS. AND HE WAS INVESTIGATED BECAUSE HE REFUSED TO RENT PROPERTY TO BLACK FAMILIES. LET'S REMEMBER THIS IS THE SAME INDIVIDUAL WHO TOOK OUT A FULL PAGE AD IN THE NEW YORK TIMES CALLING FOR THE EXECUTION OF FIVE YOUNG BLACK AND LATINO BOYS WHO WERE INNOCENT, THE CENTRAL PARK FIVE. TOOK OUT A FULL-PAGE AD, CALLING FOR

THEIR EXECUTION, THIS IS THE SAME INDIVIDUAL WHO SPREAD FURTHER LIES ABOUT THE FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. AND I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT BETTER THAN THAT. WANT BETTER THAN THIS. WANT SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS AS I DO, I TRAVEL OUR COUNTRY. WE SEE IN EACH OTHER, A FRIEND, WE SEE IN EACH OTHER A NEIGHBOR. WE DON'T WANT A LEADER WHO IS CONSTANTLY TRYING TO HAVE AMERICA'S POINT THEIR FINGERS AT EACH OTHER. I MEAN I MEET WITH PEOPLE ALL THE TIME, WHO TELL ME CAN WE PLEASE JUST HAVE DISCOURSE ABOUT HOW WE ARE GOING

TO INVEST IN THE AMBITIONS AND THE DREAMS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. KNOWING THAT REGARDLESS OF PEOPLE'S COLOR OR THE LANGUAGE THEIR GRANDMOTHER SPEAKS, WE ALL HAVE THE SAME DREAMS AND ASPIRATIONS AND WANT A PRESIDENT WHO INVESTS IN THOSE, NOT IN HATE AND DIVISION. >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, THANK YOU. >> THIS IS YOUR THIRD TIME. >> THIS IS THE MOST DIVISIVE PRESIDENCY IN HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY. THERE HAS NEVER BEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT, THEY ARE DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY AND THE COME UP WITH THINGS LIKE WHAT SHE JUST SAID. GO BACK MANY, MANY YEARS A LOT OF

PEOPLE INCLUDING MAYOR BLOOMBERG AGREED WITH ME ON THE CENTRAL PARK FIVE, THEY ADMITTED AND SAID, THEY PLED GUILTY. AND I SAID WELL, IF THEY PLED GUILTY THEY BADLY HURT THE PERSON KILLED A PERSON AND THEY PLED NOT GUILTY BUT THIS IS A PERSON THAT TRIES TO STRETCH BACK YEARS, 4050 YEARS AGO I FELT LIKE ONE OF THE GREATEST ECONOMIES IN THE WORLD AND I WILL BUILD IT AGAIN. THEY ARE DESTROYING OUR ECONOMY. THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT A GOOD ECONOMY IS. THEIR OIL POLICIES, EVERY SINGLE POLICY AND REMEMBER THIS, SHE IS BIDEN, SHE IS TRYING

TO GET AWAY FROM BIDEN I DON'T KNOW THE GENTLEMAN SHE SAYS, SHE IS BIDEN. THAT SHE CAN'T GET AWAY WITH THAT. >> CLEARLY, I AM NOT JOE BIDEN, AND I AM CERTAINLY NOT DONALD TRUMP. AND WHAT I DO OFFER IS A NEW GENERATION OF LEADERSHIP FOR OUR COUNTRY. ONE WHO BELIEVES IN WHAT IS POSSIBLE THAT BRINGS A SENSE OF OPTIMISM ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO INSTEAD OF ALWAYS DISPARAGING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, I BELIEVE IN WHAT WE CAN DO, TO STRENGTHEN OUR SMALL BUSINESSES WHICH IS WHY I HAVE A PLAN, LET'S TALK ABOUT OUR PLANS AND

LET'S COMPARE THE PLANS. I HAVE A PLAN. TO GET A START UP BUSINESSES, $50,000 TAX DEDUCTION. TO PURSUE THEIR AMBITION, THEIR INNOVATION AND THEIR IDEAS AND THEIR HARD WORK, I HAVE A PLAN, $6000. FOR YOUNG FAMILIES FOR THE FIRST YEAR OF YOUR CHILD'S LIFE. TO HELP YOU. IN THAT MOST CRITICAL STAGE OF YOUR CHILD'S DEVELOPMENT. I HAVE A PLAN. THAT IS ABOUT ALLOWING PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO PURSUE WHAT HAS BEEN FLEETING IN TERMS OF THE AMERICAN DREAM I OFFERING THE DOWN PAYMENT OF $25,000 DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE FOR FIRST TIME HOMEBUYERS. THAT'S THE KIND OF

CONVERSATION I BELIEVE DAVID THAT PEOPLE REALLY WANT TONIGHT. AS OPPOSED TO A CONVERSATION THAT IS CONSTANTLY ABOUT BELITTLING AND NAME-CALLING. LET'S TURN THE PAGE. AND MOVE FORWARD. >> WE HAVE TO MOVE ON. LET'S TURN TO POLICY PLEASE. >> PLAN TO DEFUND THE POLICE, SHE HAS THE PLAN TO CONFISCATE EVERYBODY'S GUN. >> >> RESIDENT TRUMP, THIS IS NOW YOUR THIRD TIME RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT, YOU HAVE LONG VOWED TO REPEAL AND REPLACE THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT ALSO KNOWN AS OBAMA CARE AND YOU FAILED TO A COMPASS THAT YOU NOW SAY YOU WILL KEEP OBAMA CARE QUOTE UNLESS

YOU CAN DO SOMETHING MUCH BETTER. LAST MONTH, YOU SAID QUOTE WE ARE WORKING ON IT SO TONIGHT, NINE YEARS AFTER YOU FIRST STARTED RUNNING, DO YOU HAVE A PLAN AND CAN YOU TELL US WHAT IT IS? >> OBAMA CARE WAS LOUSY HEALTHCARE, ALWAYS WAS AND IT'S NOT VERY GOOD TODAY. AND WHAT I SAID THAT IF WE COME UP WITH SOMETHING AND WE ARE ALL WORKING ON THINGS WE CAN DO IT AND REPLACE IT BUT ENOUGH OF THIS, I INHERITED OBAMA CARE BECAUSE DEMOCRATS WOULDN'T CHANGE IT, THEY WOULDN'T VOTE FOR IT, THEY WERE UNANIMOUS AND WOULD

NOT VOTE TO CHANGE IT. IF THEY WOULD'VE DONE THAT WE WOULD HAVE HAD A MUCH BETTER PLAN THAN OBAMA CARE. BUT THE DEMOCRATS CAME UP AND THEY WOULDN'T VOTE FOR IT. I HAD A CHOICE TO MAKE WHEN I WAS PRESIDENT, DO I SAVE IT AND MAKE IT AS GOOD AS IT CAN BE? NEVER GOING TO BE GREAT. OR DO I LET IT ROCK? AND I FELT LIKE I HAD AN OBLIGATION EVEN THOUGH POLITICALLY IT WOULD'VE BEEN GOOD TO JUST LET IT ROT AND LET IT GO AWAY. I JUST DECIDED AND I TOLD MY PEOPLE THE

TOP PEOPLE AND THEY ARE VERY GOOD PEOPLE I HAVE A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE IN THE ADMINISTRATION, THAT READ ABOUT THE BAD ONES WITH THE REAL BAD ONES DOING SO TODAY, THEY HAVE REALLY BAD ONCE THE DIFFERENCE IS THEY DON'T GET RID OF THEM BUT LET ME JUST EXPLAIN, I HAD A CHOICE TO MAKE. DO I SAVE IT AND MAKE IT AS GOOD AS IT CAN BE OR DO I LET IT ROT? AND I SAVED IT, I DID THE RIGHT THING. BUT, IT STILL IS NEVER GOING TO BE GREAT AND IT IS TOO EXPENSIVE FOR

PEOPLE AND WHAT WE WILL DO AS WE ARE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT PLANS, IF WE CAN COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT'S GOING TO COST OUR PEOPLE, OUR POPULATION, LESS MONEY AND BE BETTER HEALTHCARE THAN OBAMA CARE, AND I WOULD ABSOLUTELY DO IT. BUT UNTIL THEN, I WOULD RUN IT AS GOOD AS IT CAN BE RUN. >> YES OR NO, YOU STILL DO NOT HAVE A PLAN? >> I HAVE CONCEPTS OF A PLAN, I AM NOT PRESIDENT RIGHT NOW, BUT IF, WE COME UP WITH SOMETHING I WOULD ONLY CHANGE IT IF WE COME UP WITH SOMETHING

THAT'S BETTER AND LESS EXPENSIVE. AND THERE ARE CONCEP AND OPTIONS WE HAVE TO DO THAT. AND YOU WILL BE HEARING ABOUT IT IN THE NOT-TOO-DISTANT FUTURE. >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS IN 2017 YOU SUPPORTED DOING AWAY WITH PRIVATE INSURANCE AND CREATE A GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTHCARE SYSTEM TWO YEARS LATER YOU PROPOSE A PLAN THAT INCLUDED A PRIVATE INSURANCE OPTION, WHAT IS YOUR PLAN TODAY? >> FIRST OF ALL I ABSOLUTELY SUPPORTED IT OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS AS VICE PRESIDENT PRIVATE HEALTHCARE OPTIONS BUT, WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS MAINTAIN AND GROW THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT BUT I

WILL GET TO THAT LINDSAY I JUST NEED TO RESPOND TO PREVIOUS POINT THAT THE FORMER PRESIDENT HAS MADE, I MADE VERY CLEAR MY POSITION ON FRACKING AND THE BUSINESS ABOUT TAKING EVERYONE'S GUNS AWAY, TIM WALZ AND I ARE BOTH GUNOWNERS, WE ARE NOT TAKING ANYONE'S GUNS AWAY, STOP WITH THE CONTINUOUS LINE. AS IT RELATES TO THE POTABLE CARE ACT LET'S LOOK AT THE HISTORY TO KNOW WHERE PEOPLE STAND. WHEN DONALD TRUMP WAS PRESIDENT, 60 TIMES HE TRIED TO GET RID OF THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT. 60 TIMES. I WAS A SENATOR AT THE TIME. AND I

WILL NEVER FORGET THE EARLY MORNING HOURS WHEN IT WAS UP FOR A VOTE IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE AND THE LATE GREAT, JOHN McCAIN WHO YOU HAVE DISPARAGED AS BEING YOU DON'T LIKE HIM YOU SAID AT THE TIME BECAUSE HE GOT CAUGHT, HE WAS AN AMERICAN HERO, THE LATE GREAT JOHN McCAIN I WILL NEVER FORGET THAT NIGHT. WALKED ONTO THE SENATE FLOOR AND SAID NO YOU DON'T. NO YOU DON'T. NO YOU DON'T GET RID OF THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, YOU HAVE NO PLAN. AND WHAT THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT HAS DONE IS ELIMINATE THE ABILITY OF

INSURANCE COMPANIES TO DENY PEOPLE WITH PRE- EXISTING CONDITIONS, I DON'T HAVE TO TELL PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON OR PEOPLE WATCHING TONIGHT, MEMBER WHAT THAT WAS LIKE WHEN AN INSURANCE COMPANY COULD DENY? IF A CHILD HAD ASTHMA, IF SOMEONE WAS A BREAST CANCER SURVIVOR, IF A GRANDPARENT HAD DIABETES. AND THANKFULLY, AS I HAVE BEEN VICE PRESIDENT AND WE OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS HAVE STRENGTHENED THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, WE HAVE ALLOWED FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MEDICARE TO NEGOTIATE DRUG PRICES ON BEHALF OF YOU, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, DONALD TRUMP SAID HE WAS GOING TO ALLOW MEDICARE TO

NEGOTIATE DRUG PRICES AND HE NEVER DID, WE DID AND NOW WE HAVE CAPPED THE COST OF INSULIN TO $35 A MONTH SINCE I HAVE BEEN VICE PRESIDENT WE HAVE CAPPED THE COST OF PRESCRIPTION MEDICATION FOR SENIORS AT $2000 A YEAR AND WHEN I AM PRESIDENT, WE WILL DO THAT FOR ALL PEOPLE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE VALUE I BRING TO THIS, IS THAT ACCESS TO HEALTHCARE SHOULD BE A RIGHT AND NOT JUST THE PRIVILEGE OF THOSE WHO CAN AFFORD IT. AND THE PLAN HAS TO BE TO STRENGTHEN THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, NOT GET RID OF IT. IN

TERMS OF WHERE DONALD TRUMP STANDS ON THAT. >> I WANT TO MOVE TO AN ISSUE THAT IS IMPORTANT. >> YOU MADE A MISTAKE NUMBER ONE, JOHN McCAIN FOUGHT OBAMA CARE FOR 10 YEARS. BUT IT WASN'T ONLY HIM, IT WAS ALL OF THE DEMOCRATS, THAT KEPT IT GOING AND YOU KNOW WHAT, WE COULD DO MUCH BETTER THAN OBAMA CARE, MUCH LESS MONEY BUT SHE WON'T IMPROVE PRIVATE INSURANCE TO PEOPLE, PRIVATE MEDICAL INSURANCE THAT IS ANOTHER THING SHE DOESN'T WANT TO DO. PEOPLE ARE PAYING PRIVATELY FOR INSURANCE THAT HAVE WORKED HARD AND MADE MONEY AND THEY WANT

TO HAVE PRIVATE, SHE WANTS EVERYBODY TO BE ON GOVERNMENT INSURANCE WHERE YOU WAIT SIX MONTHS FOR AN OPERATION THAT YOU NEED IMMEDIATELY. >> WE HAVE ANOTHER ISSUE WE WOULD LIKE TO GET TO THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR A NUMBER OF AMERICANS IN PARTICULAR YOUNGER VOTERS AND THAT IS CLIMATE CHANGE, RESIDENT TRUMP WITH REGARDS TO THE ENVIRONMENT YOU SAY THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE CLEAN AIR AND CLEAN WATER, VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS YOU CALL CLIMATE CHANGE AND EXISTENTIAL THREAT. THE QUESTION TO YOU BOTH TONIGHT IS WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO FIGHT CLIMATE CHANGE AND VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS WE WILL

START WITH YOU, ONE MINUTE FOR YOU EACH. >> THE FORMER PRESIDENT HAS SAID THE CLIMATE CHANGE IS A HOAX. AND WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT IT IS VERY REAL. YOU ASK ANYONE WHO LIVES IN A STATE WHO HAS EXPERIENCED THESE EXTREME WEATHER OCCURRENCES WHO NOW IS EITHER BEING DENIED HOME INSURANCE OR IS BEING JACKED UP, YOU ASK ANYBODY WHO HAS BEEN THE VICTIM OF WHAT THAT MEANS IN TERMS OF LOSING THEIR HOME. HAVING NOWHERE TO GO. WE KNOW THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE, THE YOUNG PEOPLE OF AMERICA CARE DEEPLY ABOUT THIS ISSUE.

AND I AM PROUD THAT AS A VICE PRESIDENT OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS WE HAVE INVESTED $1 TRILLION IN THE CLEAN ENERGY ECONOMY, WHILE WE HAVE ALSO INCREASED DOMESTIC GAS PRODUCTION TO HISTORIC LEVELS. WE HAVE CREATED OVER 800,000 NEW MANUFACTURING JOBS WHILE I HAVE BEEN VICE PRESIDENT. WE HAVE INVESTED IN CLEAN ENERGY TO THE POINT THAT WE ARE OPENING UP FACTORIES AROUND THE WORLD. DONALD TRUMP SAYS HE WAS GOING TO CREATE MANUFACTURING JOBS AND HE LOST MANUFACTURING JOBS. AND I'M PROUD TO HAVE THE ENDORSEMENT OF THE UNITED AUTO WORKERS WHO ALSO KNOW THAT PART OF

BUILDING A CLEAN ENERGY ECONOMY INCLUDES INVESTING IN AMERICA AND MADE PRODUCTS, AMERICAN AUTOMOBILES, IT INCLUDES GROWING BUT WHAT WE CAN DO AROUND AMERICAN MANUFACTURING AND OPENING UP AUTO PLANTS NOT CLOSING THEM LIKE HAVE BEEN DONE UNDER DONALD TRUMP. >> LET ME JUST SAY THEY LOST 10,000 MANUFACTURING JOBS THIS LAST MONTH. IT'S GOING, THEY ARE ALL LEAVING, THEY ARE BUILDING BIG AUTO PLANTS IN MEXICO IN MANY CASES OWNED BY CHINA. THEY ARE BUILDING THESE MASSIVE PLANTS THEY THINK THEY WILL SELL THEIR CARS INTO THE UNITED STATES BECAUSE OF THESE THREE PEOPLE, WHAT THEY HAVE GIVEN UP

THE CHINA IS UNBELIEVABLE, BUT WE ARE NOT GOING TO LET THAT WE WILL PUT TARIFFS ON THOSE CARS SO THEY CANNOT COME INTO OUR COUNTRY BECAUSE THEY WILL KILL UNITED AUTO WORKERS AND ANY AUTOWORKER WHETHER IT'S IN DETROIT OR SOUTH CAROLINA, OR ANY OTHER PLACE, WHAT THEY HAVE DONE TO BUSINESS AND MANUFACTURING IN THIS COUNTRY IS HORRIBLE. WE HAVE NOTHING BECAUSE THEY REFUSE, BIDEN DOESN'T GO AFTER PEOPLE BECAUSE SUPPOSEDLY CHINA PAID HIM MILLIONS OF DOLLARS HE IS AFRAID TO DO IT BETWEEN HIM AND HIS SON, THEY GET ALL THIS MONEY FROM UKRAINE. THEY GET ALL

THIS MONEY FROM ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT COUNTRIES AND THEN YOU WONDER WHY IS HE SO LOYAL TO THIS ONE, THAT ONE, UKRAINE, CHINA, WHY IS IT? WHY DID HE GET 3 1/2 MILLION DOLLARS FROM THE MAYOR OF MOSCOW'S WIFE, WHY DID HE GET, WHY DID SHE PAY HIM 3 1/2 MILLION DOLLARS THIS IS A CROOKED ADMINISTRATION, AND THEY ARE SELLING OUR COUNTRY DOWN THE TUBES. >> THANK YOU. >> WE WILL BE BACK WITH CLOSING STATEMENTS FROM BOTH OF OUR CANDIDATES AND HISTORIC NIGHT FOR THE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE FROM PHILADELPHIA, BACK IN A MOMENT. >> THE ABC

NEWS, PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE WILL CONTINUE, AFTER THIS. >> WAREHOUSE IS NO LONGER HERE, BUT WE ARE HERE. >> BACK WITH TONIGHT'S DEBATE BETWEEN KAMALA HARRIS AND DONALD TRUMP AND WHEN AND PLEASE JOIN US FOR ANALYSIS OF TONIGHT'S KEY MOMENTS WE WILL BREAK IT DOWN AS WE ENTER THE FINAL SPRINT TO ELECTION DAY GOING BACK TO THE DEBATE AND CLOSING STATEMENTS. >> LIVE FROM THE NATIONAL CONSTITUTION CENTER IN PHILADELPHIA, PENNSYLVANIA. HERE AGAIN. >> WELCOME BACK TO THE TIME IS COME FOR CLOSING STATEMENTS AND VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS WE BEGIN WITH YOU. >> I THINK YOU HAVE HEARD TONIGHT

TWO VERY DIFFERENT VISIONS FOR OUR COUNTRY. WHEN THAT IS FOCUSED ON THE FUTURE, AND THE OTHER THAT IS FOCUSED ON THE PAST. AND AN ATTEMPT TO TAKE US BACKWARD. BUT WE ARE NOT GOING BACK. AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE KNOW WE ALL HAVE SO MUCH MORE IN COMMON IN WHAT SEPARATES US AND WE CAN CHART A NEW WAY FORWARD. AND DIVISION OF THAT INCLUDES HAVING A PLAN, UNDERSTANDING THE ASPIRATIONS, THE DREAMS, THE HOPES, THE AMBITION OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHICH IS WHY I INTEND TO CREATE AN OPPORTUNITY ECONOMY, INVESTING IN SMALL BUSINESSES,

IN NEW FAMILIES. IN WHAT WE CAN DO AROUND PROTECTING SENIORS. WHAT WE CAN DO THAT IS ABOUT GIVING HARD-WORKING FOLKS A BREAK AND BRINGING DOWN THE COST OF LIVING. I BELIEVE IN WHAT WE CAN DO TOGETHER. THAT IS ABOUT SUSTAINING AMERICA'S STANDING IN THE WORLD, AND ENSURING THAT WE HAVE THE RESPECT THAT WE SO RIGHTLY DESERVE INCLUDING RESPECTING OUR MILITARY AND ENSURING WE HAVE THE MOST LETHAL FIGHTING FORCE IN THE WORLD. I WILL BE A PRESIDENT THAT WILL PROTECT OUR FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS INCLUDING THE RIGHT OF A WOMEN TO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT HER OWN

BODY AND NOT HAVE HER GOVERNMENT TELL HER WHAT TO DO. I WILL TELL YOU I STARTED MY CAREER AS A PROSECUTOR, I WAS A DA AND AN ATTORNEY GENERAL AND UNITED STATES SENATOR AND NOW VICE PRESIDENT AND I HAVE HAD ONLY ONE CLIENT, THE PEOPLE. I WILL TELL YOU AS A PROSECUTOR, I NEVER ASKED A VICTIM OR A WITNESS ARE YOU A REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT? THE ONLY THING I EVER ASKED THEM WAS ARE YOU OKAY? AND THAT'S THE KIND OF PRESIDENT WE NEED RIGHT NOW. SOMEONE WHO CARES ABOUT YOU AND IS NOT PUTTING THEMSELVES FIRST.

I INTEND TO BE A PRESIDENT FOR ALL AMERICANS. AND FOCUS ON WHAT WE CAN DO OVER THE NEXT 10, AND 20 YEARS TO BUILD BACK UP OUR COUNTRY BY INVESTING RIGHT NOW IN YOU, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, THANK YOU. PRESIDENT TRUMP? >> SO SHE JUST STARTED BY SAYING SHE'S GOING TO DO THIS, THAT AND ALL THESE WONDERFUL THINGS. WHY HASN'T SHE DONE IT, SHE HAS BEEN THERE FOR 3 1/2 YEARS, THEY'VE HAD 3 1/2 YEARS TO FIX THE BORDER, THEY'VE HAD 3 1/2 YEARS TO CREATE JOBS AND ALL THE THINGS WE TALKED

ABOUT EMMA WHY HASN'T SHE DONE IT? SHE SHOULD LEAVE RIGHT NOW, GO DOWN TO THAT BEAUTIFUL WHITE HOUSE, GO TO THE CAPITAL, GET EVERYONE TOGETHER AND DO THE THINGS YOU WANT TO DO BUT YOU HAVEN'T DONE IT AND YOU WON'T DO IT, BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DON'T BELIEVE IN. YOU BELIEVE IN THINGS LIKE WE ARE NOT GOING TO PHRACK OR TAKE FOSSIL FUEL, THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO MAKE THIS COUNTRY STRONG WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT. GERMANY TRIED THAT, AND WITHIN ONE YEAR THEY WERE BACK TO BUILDING NORMAL ENERGY

PLANTS. WE ARE NOT READY FOR IT, WE CANNOT SACRIFICE OUR COUNTRY FOR THE SAKE OF BAD VISION, BUT I JUST ASK ONE SIMPLE QUESTION, WHY DIDN'T SHE DO IT? WE ARE A FAILING NATION. WE ARE A NATION THAT IS IN SERIOUS DECLINE. WE ARE BEING LEFT OUT ALL OVER THE WORLD, ALL OVER THE WORLD THEY LAUGH, I KNOW THE LEADERS VERY WELL THEY'RE COMING TO SEE ME AND CALL ME. WE ARE LAUGHED AT ALL OVER THE WORLD AND THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED TO US AS A NATION, WE ARE NOT A LEADER. WE DON'T HAVE

ANY IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON AND WE HAVE WARS GOING ON IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND HAVE WARS GOING ON WITH RUSSIA AND UKRAINE. WE ARE GOING TO END UP IN A THIRD WORLD WAR AND IT WILL BE A WAR LIKE NO OTHER BECAUSE OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS, THE POWER OF WEAPONRY, I REBUILT OUR ENTIRE MILITARY, SHE GAVE A LOT OF IT AWAY, TO THE TALIBAN. SHE GAVE IT TO AFGHANISTAN. WHAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE DONE TO OUR COUNTRY, AND MAYBE TOUGHEST OF ALL IS ALLOWING MILLIONS OF PEOPLE TO COME INTO OUR COUNTRY MANY OF THEM ARE CRIMINALS

AND THEY ARE DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY, THE WORST PRESIDENT AND THE WORST VICE PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP THANK YOU AND THAT IS OUR ABC NEWS PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE, FROM HERE IN PHILADELPHIA AT THE NATIONAL CONSTITUTION CENTER. I AM LINDSAY DAVIS. >> AND I AM DAVID MUIR, THANK YOU FOR WATCHING HERE IN THE U.S. AND ALL OVER THE WORLD, AND FROM ALL OF US HERE AT ABC NEWS, GOOD NIGHT. >> WELCOME BACK TO NBC NEWS, COVERAGE OF THE DEBATE, I WOULD GO WITH FIERY TO BEGIN BUT IT GOES FROM THERE, BOTH OF

THE CANDIDATES YOU COULD ARGUE EXECUTING ON THEIR STRATEGY GOING IN FOR KAMALA HARRIS THAT WAS TO GET UNDER THE FORMER PRESIDENT SKIN WHICH SHE DID QUITE OFTEN. FOR THE FORMER PRESIDENT , HIS OPTION WAS OF COURSE TO GO AFTER THE ECONOMY, AFTER AFGHANISTAN, THE ADMINISTRATION'S POSITION ON THE WITHDRAWAL IN AFGHANISTAN. AND, IMMIGRATION OF COURSE. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT AND THE QUESTION IS HOW THEY GOT THERE. >> THINKING ABOUT THIS DEBATE FOR A LONG TIME AND IS THIS THE FINAL DEBATE IS THIS THE ONLY ONE WE WILL SEE, WILL THERE BE ANOTHER? IT DEPENDS

ON HOW EACH CANDIDATE FEELS. WE HAVE A LOT TO DISCUSS HERE, LET'S TALK ABOUT FIRST OF ALL IT DOES SEEM THAT KAMALA HARRIS WAS TRYING TO HIT EVERY TRIGGER POINT SHE COULD THINK OF TO TRY TO GET DONALD TRUMP TO RESPOND TO HER AND DEBATE HIM INTO THAT TRAP, DO YOU THINK THAT WAS EFFECTIVE? >> JANUARY 6, HIS FORMER OFFICIALS WHO ARE NOW CRITICAL OF HIM, JOHN McCAIN WHICH WAS A BIG TRIGGER POINT. >> ONE OF THE BIGGEST TO GET UNDER HIS SKIN, ONE OF THE ALLIES SAID SHE CLEARLY TRIED TO GET UNDER HIS SKIN,

HE HAS BEEN DEFENSIVE WAY TOO MUCH AND IS LOSING HIS ANSWERS FOR EXAMPLE INSTEAD OF BORDERS WE HAVE THE SERIES THAT OFFICIALS IN OHIO ARE SAYING THERE IS NO PROOF THAT UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS ARE EATING PETS, WE HAVE HEARD FROM TRUMP AND HIS CAMPAIGN, AND I AM THINKING THE ALLIES ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE FACT THAT HE DIDN'T DO WHAT HE WOULD DO WHICH IS TO STAY ON MESSAGE TO TALK ABOUT HIS STRENGTHS SO UNANSWERED QUESTIONS AS WELL, ON BOTH SIDES, HARRIS NEVER ANSWERED WHETHER YOU'RE BETTER OFF THAN YOU WERE FOUR YEARS AGO, SHE ALSO DIDN'T SAY

WHAT SHE WOULD HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY ON IMMIGRATION, TRUMP EITHER WAY DIDN'T ANSWER THE CRITICAL QUESTIONS, WOULD HE VETO A NATIONAL ABORTION BENEFIT CAME TO HIS DESK AND I ASKED JD VANCE IF TRUMP WOULD DO THAT AND HE SAID YES HE WOULD, TRUMP TONIGHT, DIDN'T CHECK WITH ME BEFORE SAYING THAT, SO THE DIFFERENCE IS THERE AGAIN, HOW DOES THIS PLAY WITH THOSE SWING VOTERS? >> I THINK THERE IS IMMENSE FRUSTRATION A PART OF THE ALLIES OF DONALD TRUMP ABOUT THE MODERATORS THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU HEAR AFTER THE DEBATE THAT IS CERTAINLY A TRUE LINE HERE

THERE IS SOME FRUSTRATION I THINK FROM THE REPUBLICAN HE CALLS HER PRESIDENT TRUMP WILD AND UNCONTROLLED AND THAT THE VICE PRESIDENT WAS SUCCESSFULLY PUSHING HIS BUTTONS AND GETTING HIM ANGRY. ANOTHER ALLY SAID LISTEN SHE IS DOING WHAT THEY THOUGHT SHE WOULD DO, AVOIDING THE ISSUES AND GOING ON ATTACK AGAINST FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP, SHE DID THAT AND BAITED HIM AGAIN AND AGAIN. WE TALKED ABOUT SUBSTANCE AND STYLE BEING THE BUCKET THAN ANY DEBATE, YOU LOOK AT SUBSTANCE HERE, SHE WAS PRESSED ON HER SHIFT, PROGRESSIVE POSITIONS IN THE CROWDED PRIMARY AND SAID MY VALUES HAVEN'T CHANGED AND

IT WASN'T JUST OF COURSE THE ISSUE OF ABORTION ACCESS AND WHETHER HE WOULD VETO A NATIONAL ABORTION BAND BUT THE PRESIDENT DID NOT DISCUSS HOW HE WOULD IMPLEMENT ONE OF HIS CENTRAL ISSUES ON IMMIGRATION. MASS DEPORTATION AND DIDN'T GET INTO HIS LANE TO REPLACE OBAMA CARE SIMPLY SAYING I HAVE CONCEPTS OF A PLAN, HE WILL BE PRESSED ON IT MOVING FORWARD. >> HE ALSO DIDN'T COMMIT TO SAYING HE WANTS UKRAINE TO BE VICTORIOUS IN THE WAR, SO SHE WAS TRYING TO PROSECUTE THE CASE AGAINST HIM BUT ALSO PRESENT AN AFFIRMATIVE VERSION OF HERSELF AND WHAT

SHE WOULD DO IN A TERM, LET'S GO TO TOM WHO IS IN THE SPIN ROOM FOR US , I'M SURE YOU ARE SEEING PEOPLE FILTER IN, WHAT ARE YOU HEARING? >> SO STILL VERY EARLY, RIGHT? EACH CAMPAIGN IS GETTING THEIR TALKING POINTS AND MAKING SURE EVERYONE IS ON THE SAME MESSAGE BEFORE THEY POUR INTO THE SPIN ROOM, THERE IS THE ENTRANCE WAITING FOR EVERYBODY I CAN TELL YOU IN THE MEANTIME MY PHONE HAS BEEN BLOWING UP WITH BOTH REPUBLICAN STRATEGISTS, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGISTS, VOTERS. IT IS A COMPLETE DIFFERENT SHIFT CHANGE FROM THAT FIRST DEBATE AFTER THAT

FIRST DEBATE REPUBLICANS FELT VERY VICTORIOUS AND VERY CONFIDENT. THEY WERE SAYING THE ENTIRE DEBATE WAS ABOUT JOE BIDEN. THIS TIME IT'S MUCH DIFFERENT, REPUBLICANS SEEM VERY FRUSTRATED WITH FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP, THEY ALSO FELT FRUSTRATED WITH THE FORMAT OF THE DEBATE WHICH IS NEVER A GOOD SIGN ON YOUR SIDE. AND ALSO SAYING THAT THEY WERE ABLE AT LEAST VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS WAS ABLE TO MAKE THIS DEBATE NOT ABOUT JOE BIDEN OR HERSELF BUT ABOUT DONALD TRUMP. AND THAT LED TO HER ADVANTAGE. SO AGAIN MANY OF THE SURROGATES ARE COMING IN RIGHT NOW, GOVERNORS, SENATORS FROM

DIFFERENT PARTIES. TALKING TO ME THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT, I WILL GO BACK TO THE STUDIO RIGHT NOW. >> THINKING IN JOHN SHAPIRO, REPRESENTING THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE LET ME ASK YOU DO YOU THINK THE VOTERS WERE SERVED BY WHAT WE SAW? >> SERVED WELL. >> I THINK THE VOTERS, I THINK THE VOTERS HEARD A LOT AND LEARNED A LOT. ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS WORRIED ABOUT GOING INTO THIS DEBATE IS THAT SOME FOLKS HAD A LITTLE RAIN AND FOG ABOUT DONALD TRUMP, THEY DIDN'T REMEMBER THE CHAOS OF DONALD TRUMP'S TIME IN

OFFICE, BUT I WILL TELL YOU WHAT I THINK KAMALA HARRIS CLEARED THAT BRAIN FOG OUT REMINDING PEOPLE OF THE DISASTER THAT HE WAS AS PRESIDENT. AND I THINK IT WAS ALSO CLEAR AS SHE WAS LAYING OUT A VISION TO TAKE THIS COUNTRY, DONALD TRUMP DIDN'T HAVE A CLEAR VISION WHERE HE WANTED TO GO, HE SAID THERE WAS MORE GRIEVANCE AND DIVISION AND MORE ATTACKS ON OTHER PEOPLE. AND THE DONALD TRUMP I THINK WILL MAKE OUR COUNTRY LESS SAFE, MORE CHAOTIC AND LESS FREE HIM AND DONALD TRUMP PROSECUTED THE HECK OUT OF THE CASE TONIGHT. KAMALA

HARRIS PROSECUTED THE CASE TONIGHT, PARDON ME. >> SO YOU THINK, I THINK FOR THE END HE GOT AROUND TO WHAT HE WAS TRYING AND HOPING TO ACCOMPLISH WAS SAY YOU HAVE ALL THESE PLANS AND OTHER VISION KAMALA HARRIS YOU'VE HAD 3 1/2 YEARS TO DO IT, WHY HAVEN'T YOU? SO WHAT IS THE ANSWER TO THAT? >> SHE HAS SERVED AS VICE PRESIDENT, SHE KNOWS THE JOB TO BE RESIDENT AND NOW SHE WILL LAY IT OUT HER VISION FOR WHERE SHE WANTS TO DO WITH THE COUNTRY I THOUGHT SHE WAS VERY SPECIFIC ON HER PLAN TO

CUT TAXES PARTICULARLY FOR SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS. THE WAY OF TRYING TO BRING DOWN COSTS FOR MIDDLE-CLASS FAMILIES. DONALD TRUMP I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HECK HE THINKS, HE WAS ALL OVER THE PLACE. I THINK WHAT YOU HEARD WAS A RAMBLING MAN FULL OF NONSENSE AND FULL OF A WHOLE LOT OF GRIEVANCE, HE COULDN'T GET PAST THAT AND COULDN'T FOCUS ON ANYBODY BUT HIMSELF. AND THAT IS SERVING THE GOOD PEOPLE OF THIS NATION, SOMETHING KAMALA HARRIS HAS DONE THROUGHOUT HER CAREER AND HAS PLANS TO DO GOING FORWARD. >> DO YOU THINK EITHER WILL HAVE AN APPETITE

FOR SECOND DEBATE AFTER THIS ONE? >> I WILL TELL YOU, BUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SAW TONIGHT WAS A CLEAR CONTRAST. A CLEAR CONTRAST AND STEADY FUTURE -LOOKING LEADERSHIP, VERSUS THE CHAOTIC AND DIVISIVE LEADERSHIP OF THE PAST OF DONALD TRUMP. >> THANK YOU GOVERNOR SCHAPIRO, WE APPRECIATE IT. >> HAVE A FEW MOMENTS TO TURN BACK TO OUR TABLE SO WHAT ABOUT IT, IT WAS JUST CLEAR THAT THE DEMOCRATS AND THE ALLIES OF KAMALA HARRIS ARE HAPPY WITH THE WAY THAT SHE PROSECUTED THE CASE AGAINST DONALD TRUMP BUT WE KNOW GOING IN ABOUT 30% OF VOTERS ARE

SAYING WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHO SHE IS AND WHAT SHE IS ABOUT DO YOU THINK SHE DID ENOUGH TO DEFINE HERSELF TO MAKE THAT AFFIRMATIVE CASE? >> I DON'T, THERE WERE A COUPLE ANSWERS WHERE SHE TALKED ABOUT HER ECONOMIC STATUS, I THINK PEOPLE STILL HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT SHE WOULD DO FOR THE ECONOMY. >> THE FORMER PRESIDENT SAID THE NAME BIDEN SOMETHING LIKE 15 TIMES DID NOT SAY KAMALA OR HARASSED BY ONCE AND SHE ADDRESSED THAT SAYING CLEARLY I AM NOT TO JOE BIDEN AND I THINK THAT'S INTERESTING . >> LET'S BRING

IN MARCO RUBIO, THANK YOU FOR COMING ON, DID WE SEE THE BEST VERSION OF DONALD TRUMP TONIGHT? >> TWO THINGS, THESE CANDIDATES HAVE VERY DIFFERENT OBJECTIVES GOING IN, HE WAS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND HAS BEEN CAMPAIGNING FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS, AND GOING BACK TO 2016. MOST OTHER THINGS WITH KAMALA HARRIS THIS IS THE FIRST TIME, I DON'T THINK THE MODERATORS DID THE BEST JOB OF PRESSING HER ON THIS, I THINK THEY GOT GLIMPSES OF WHAT SHE STOOD FOR AS RECENTLY AS 2019 AND 2020. AND HERE IN PENNSYLVANIA WHERE SHE WANTED TO BAN

FRACKING BUT BEYOND THAT I THINK THERE ARE THINGS THAT MODERATORS NEVER ASKED, QUESTIONS I WANTED TO BE ASKED FOR EXAMPLE, GROCERY PRICES ARE UP SINCE 2020 WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT, I THOUGHT HER ANSWER IN AFGHANISTAN WAS NONSENSE. SHE WAS VICE PRESIDENT AT THE TIME, JOE BIDEN DIDN'T WITHDRAW, WE WERE RUN OUT OF AFGHANISTAN SO ON ISSUE AFTER ISSUE I THINK FOR THE FIRST TIME VOTERS ARE STARTING TO GET A GLIMPSE OF SOMEONE AND STARTING TO UNDERSTAND THE POSITIONS THAT SHE TRULY BELIEVES IN AND SHE IS BASICALLY CUT AND PASTE LITERALLY OUT OF THE

BIDEN AGENDA, PEOPLE DON'T WANT THE BIDEN AGENDA BUT WHAT SHE REALLY BELIEVES IN OUR THE RADICAL IDEAS THAT SHE RAN ON IN 2019 AND 2020 AND I THINK A LOT OF AMERICANS THAT DON'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT HER TONIGHT THEY WERE INTRODUCED TO THOSE FACTS I FIGURE WILL HAVE AN IMPACT ON THIS RACE. >> YOU LAID OUT THE CASE AGAINST HER PRETTY CLEARLY DO YOU THINK DONALD TRUMP SHOULD HAVE DONE SO PRETTY CLEARLY? >> I THINK HE DID, UNFORTUNATELY LIKE I SAID I'M NOT ONE OF THESE GUYS THAT LIKE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT MODERATORS THIS ONE

WAS TOUGH NOT TO. I THINK IT WAS ONE-SIDED AND SOME OF THE FACT CHECKING WAS WRONG. THERE ARE STATES, MINNESOTA WERE A CHILD WAS BORN IN MINNESOTA WAS ALLOWED TO DIE IN A BOTCHED ABORTION SO SOME OF THE FACT CHECKING I THOUGHT WAS UNFAIR. AND UNBALANCED, PEOPLE HEARD THINGS, YOU WANTED TO TAKE AWAY GUNS FROM PEOPLE IN THE PAST AND BERNIE SANDERS HEALTHCARE PLAN, YOU WANTED TO BAN FRACKING, YOU BUILD OUT. RAISE MONEY TO BAIL OUT RIOTERS IN 2020. THESE ARE NEWS FACTS THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW THAT THEY LEARNED TONIGHT FOR

THE FIRST TIME AND I THINK A LOT OF, 25% OF AMERICANS WANT TO LEARN MORE AND THEY LEARNED MORE ABOUT HER TONIGHT. >> WE WANT TO GO TO KATE WHO HAS BEEN TALKING WITH A GROUP OF UNDECIDED VOTERS IN WAREHOUSE, BATTLEGROUND, PENNSYLVANIA, WE HAVE ALL BEEN DYING TO HEAR WHAT THEY THOUGHT AND HOW THEY REACTED TO WHAT THEY HEARD TONIGHT. >> YES, REALLY INTERESTING WATCHING WITH YOU ALL BECAUSE I COULD SEE YOUR REACTIONS IN REAL TIME THERE WAS A LOT OF VISCERAL REACTIONS, IN ONE WORD IF I CAN ASK, HOW WOULD YOU HEADLINE THIS DEBATE,

ONE WORD TO DESCRIBE WHAT YOU SAW? >> SAME OLD, SAME OLD. >> MANIPULATIVE. >> ANDREW? >> LIES ON BOTH SIDES. LIES. >> YOU CAME IN ALL UNDECIDED, HAS ANYTHING CHANGED YOUR MIND TONIGHT? IS THERE ANYTHING YOU HEARD HERE THAT YOU THOUGHT OH, YES I COULD GO FOR THAT POLICY AND STAND WITH THAT CANDIDATE? >> NOT REALLY. FOR ME I THINK KAMALA HAD A GOOD DEBATE. I AM FEELING MORE FAVORABLY TOWARDS HER AS OPPOSED TO DONALD. BUT I AM STILL NOT SURE. >> NOT 100%. >> THE TWO OF YOU WOMEN RINSE, REACTED STRONGLY WHEN HARRIS WAS

TALKING ABOUT ABORTION. AND HIS POSITION, YOU SEEMED EMOTIONAL ABOUT IT HANNAH. >> YES. >> WHAT WAS YOUR THOUGHT ON THAT? WHAT WHAT IS IT ABOUT THAT PART OF THE DEBATE. >> IS MISINFORMATION. THE SENSATIONALIZED, JUST SO MUCH, THINGS THAT ARE NOT FACTS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN PROVEN, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT HIS SUPPORTERS WANT TO HEAR. AND IT REALLY IMPACTS WHO PEOPLE LIKE US, IF WE CHOOSE TO VOTE FOR HIM OR NOT BECAUSE WE KNOW HE IS LYING BUT YOU ARE STILL SAYING IT AND IT'S DISGUSTING. >> ALSO WITH THE ECONOMY COMING IN, ANDREW ANYTHING YOU

HEARD THAT CHANGES HOW YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT THE ECONOMIC POLICY? >> NO, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, DECEMBER AND NOVEMBER ROLLING AROUND AND THEY WILL PASS AND SAY WE WILL SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT AND THEY WILL PASS LAWS AND SEND TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND NOTHING ELSE IS GOING TO CHANGE. THEY WOULD JUST KEEP SENDING AND SPENDING MONEY UNCONTROLLABLY, DONALD TRUMP SPENT $6 TRILLION IN 2019, AND ADDED THAT TO OUR DEFICITS ARE ABSOLUTELY NOT, THEY ARE SPENDING MONEY AND IT'S COMING BACK INTO THE GOVERNMENT INTO THE CONGRESSMAN AND THE SENATE, THROUGH FUNDS THROUGH PACS

AND ALL OF THIS. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH, ANDREW, HANNAH, LYNN, GREAT TO BE WITH YOU. >> BACK FOR SOME FINAL THOUGHTS, WILL WE KNOW WHO WON THIS DEBATE IN DAYS OR WEEKS OR MONTHS? >> A COUPLE OF WEEKS I WOULD SAY ONCE WE LOOK AT THE NEW POLL NUMBERS AS WE HAVE BEEN SAYING, THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN FEELS AND BOLD AND THEY PUT OUT A STATEMENT SAYING VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS IS READY FOR A SECOND DEBATE IS DONALD TRUMP? THE BIG QUESTION, WILL IT ACTUALLY HAPPEN? AND AGAIN I JUST WANT TO HEAR, ONE OF THE VOTERS,

AT LEAST MOVED MORE FAVORABLY TOWARDS HARRIS. >> ELECTION DAY, IT STARTS TOMORROW, IN ONE STATE BUT SIX DAYS AWAY IN PENNSYLVANIA. PENNSYLVANIA VOTING IS A HUGE FACTOR. MICHIGAN. THAT IS FOR REAL. WHAT HAPPENED TONIGHT MATTERS. IT'S ABOUT WHO THEY WANT IN THE WHITE HOUSE. WILL THERE BE A SECOND DEBATE? LET'S LOOK AT WHAT'S NEXT. ALL FOUR OF THESE LEADERS, KAMALA HARRIS AND HER RUNNING MATE, AND DONALD TRUMP AND HIS RUNNING MATE. >> DENIES DEBATE BETWEEN VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS AND FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP. >> LESTER HOLT, HALLIE JACKSON. THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US TONIGHT. ♪ ♪

♪ ♪ >>> THIS IS NBC NEWS SPECIAL COVERAGE OF THE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE BETWEEN KAMALA HARRIS AND DONALD TRUMP. >> WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS CLEAN UP DONALD TRUMP'S MESS. >> THE TWO CANDIDATES MEETING IN PERSON FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER. >> FOR EVERYONE WATCHING WHO REMEMBERS JANUARY 6, I SAY WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK. >> I CREATED ONE OF THE GREATEST ECONOMIES IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY. >> THE HISTORIC FACE-OFF. >> WHAT SHE SAYS IS AN ABSOLUTE LIE. >> THE FORMER PRESIDENT, BATTLING TO WIN BACK THE WHITE HOUSE. >> I HAD NO INFLATION.

THEY HAD THE HIGHEST INFLATION PERHAPS OF THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY. >> THE VICE PRESIDENT, GUNNING TO BE THE NATION'S FIRST FEMALE PRESIDENT. EACH ARGUING THE OTHER IS UNFIT TO LEAD THE COUNTRY. >> DONALD TRUMP ACTUALLY HAS NO PLAN FOR YOU, BECAUSE HE IS MORE INTERESTED IN DEFENDING HIMSELF THAN HE IS LOOKING OUT FOR YOU. >> EVERYTHING THAT SHE BELIEVED THREE YEARS AGO AND FOUR YEARS AGO IS OUT THE WINDOW. >> IS THE BIGGEST EVENT YET OF THE 2024 ELECTION. >> I PROBABLY TOOK A BULLET TO THE HEAD BECAUSE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY SAY

ABOUT ME. >> DONALD TRUMP WAS FIRED BY 81 MILLION PEOPLE. >> IT COULD DETERMINE WHO WINS THE WHITE HOUSE IN NOVEMBER. >> PEOPLE WANT TO TAKE THE COUNTRY BACK PERIODS I THINK IT'S CLEAR. >> THE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE IN PHILADELPHIA. TOM LLAMAS IN THE NEW YORK STUDIOS IN NEW YORK, HALLIE JACKSON. >> GOOD EVENING, I AM TOM LLAMAS. HAILLE WILL JOIN US IN JUST A MOMENT. WHAT COULD BE THE MOST CONSEQUENTIAL NIGHT. THE HISTORIC HANDSHAKE BETWEEN, HARRIS AND FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THE TWO OF THEM EVER MET. TEMPERS RAN HOT TONIGHT WITH

PERSONAL ATTACKS JUST MINUTES INTO THE HOUR AND A HALF LONG DEBATE. HAMMERING MR. TRUMP ON REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS, OVERTURNING ROE V WADE. >> NOWHERE IN AMERICA IS A WOMAN CARRYING A PRESIDENCY TO TERM AND ASKING FOR AN ABORTION. THAT IS NOT HAPPENING. THAT'S INSULTING. >> THE FORMER PRESIDENT PREFERRING TO TALK MORE ABOUT IMMIGRATION. AND ACCUSING THE VICE PRESIDENT OF ALLOWING UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS IN THE COUNTRY. A LOT OF THESE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS COMING IN, THEY ARE TRYING TO GET THEM TO VOTE. THEY CAN'T EVEN SPEAK ENGLISH. THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT COUNTRY THEY ARE IN PRACTICALLY. THAT'S WHY

THEY ARE ALLOWING THEM TO COME INTO OUR COUNTRY. >> FACT CHECKING ALSO BECOMING A BIG PART OF THE NIGHT. THE MODERATOR STEPPING IN TO CORRECT THE RECORD REPEATEDLY. ALSO WHEN THE FORMER PRESIDENT REFUSED TO BACK DOWN FROM THE FALSE CLAIM THAT HE WON THE 2020 ELECTION. >> IN THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS LEADING UP TO THIS DEBATE, YOU SAID, QUOTE, THAT YOU DIDN'T QUITE MAKE IT AND THAT YOU CAME UP A LITTLE BIT SHORT. ARE YOU NOT ACKNOWLEDGING THAT YOU LOST? >> NO, I DID NOT ACKNOWLEDGE THAT AT ALL. I SAID THAT SARCASTICALLY. THAT WAS

SAID SARCASTICALLY. THERE IS SO MUCH PROOF. >> LET'S GO RIGHT TO MY NBC NEWS COLLEAGUE PETE ALEXANDER. HE COVERS THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN HERE. TELL ME WHAT YOU ARE HEARING. >> INSIDE THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN, THEY ARE VERY CONFIDENT IN HOW HE PERFORMED TONIGHT. IF YOU GO ONE LAYER OUT, THERE ARE THOSE WHO ARE ROOTING FOR THIS CAMPAIGN, THEY ARE FRUSTRATED. INCLUDING SOME FOLKS WHO ARE INVOLVED IN THE DEBATE PREPARATIONS FOR THIS PRESIDENT WHO DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WERE PRESENTED TO HIM. SOME OF THEM ARE FRUSTRATED ABOUT THE MODERATORS, FRUSTRATED ABOUT

THE TOPICS, FRUSTRATED THAT KAMALA HARRIS DIDN'T GET ASKED A DIRECT QUESTION ABOUT INFLATION, WHICH THEY THINK IS ONE OF THEIR STRONGEST ISSUES. THEY REALIZE THAT HE DID TAKE ADVANTAGE OF WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO. THEY SAID THEY WANTED TO MAKE KAMALA HARRIS OWN MOST LIBERAL PAST POSITIONS THAT SHE'S TAKEN. EVEN WITH FRACKING. HE WASN'T ABLE TO TIE HER TO THE THINGS THEY FELT LIKE THEY NEEDED TO TIE HER TO. >> I'M GETTING A SENSE FROM REPUBLICANS THAT I'M TALKING TO THAT IT WAS A SHIFT CHANGE WHEN YOU COMPARE IT TO THE ATLANTA DEBATE. THEY

WERE VICTORIOUS, HAPPY, CONGRATULATING EACH OTHER. HERE THERE IS FRUSTRATION, ANGER, THEY ARE BLAMING MODERATORS. HAS THE FORMER PRESIDENT SPOKE OUT YET? >> TWO THINGS, ONE DEBATING THAT IT WAS 3 ON 1. I EXPECT WE WILL HEAR MORE OF THAT. AND HE POSTED A MEME. THAT LINE WHEN HE ARGUED WITH THE MODERATORS ABOUT IMMIGRANTS EATING PETS. SOMEBODY WAS MUCH MORE ONLINE THAN MILLIONS OF VIEWERS TONIGHT WILL PROBABLY HAVE NO IDEA TO WHAT HE IS EVEN REFERENCED INTO. THAT IS NOT THE TURF THAT THE CAMPAIGN WAS TO BE FIGHTING FOR. >> SHE MENTIONED JD VANCE IS SOMEWHERE

HERE IN THE REPORT ROOM. I DO WANT TO ASK ABOUT THAT MOMENT THOUGH, WHEN THE MODERATORS ASKED FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP THAT HE SAID -- TALKING ABOUT THAT MOMENT, IT SEEMED LIKE THE TICKET WAS ON THE SAME PAGE. >> THIS IS REALLY STRIKING. HE SAID EVERY POSITION ON ABORTION. THEY SAID HE BELIEVE IT'S BEEN AN ISSUE FOR THE STATES. HE HAS NOT ANSWERED DIRECTLY ABOUT WHETHER HE WOULD VETO IT. JD VANCE WAS ON MEET THE PRESS TWO WEEKS AGO, KRISTEN WELKER ASKED HIM ABOUT THAT, AND THEY SAID THAT IF HE DOESN'T SUPPORT THE BAN, HE WOULD

VETO IT. THAT'S THE SECOND TIME I CAN THINK OF OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WHERE HE HAS DISTANCED HIMSELF. NOW, A TAX CREDIT. THEY ARE NOT ON THE SAME PAGE AND THAT IS A PROBLEM FOR THE TICKET. WHAT IS THE OUT THERE TALKING ABOUT? >> ALL RIGHT. I WANT TO GO TO MY FRIEND PETER ALEXANDER WHO WAS OUT THERE IN THE >> ROOM SOMEWHERE. YOU HAVE A SENSE RIGHT NOW OF WHAT THEY ARE TELLING YOU? >> YES, THERE HAVE BEEN A SERIES OF ITEMS DEVELOPING RIGHT NOW. FIRST, WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR FROM

KAMALA HARRIS. A MAN WHO IMMEDIATELY AFTER THIS , THAT WAS FUN. LET'S DO IT AGAIN IN OCTOBER. CLEARLY A MESSAGE SENT BY THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN FOR THE FIRST TIME THAT THEY WOULD LIKE FOR THERE TO BE A SECOND HARRIS- TRUMP DEBATE. WE WILL TRY TO BRING THAT TO YOU. WHAT WE ARE HEARING FROM OFFICIALS, WHO ARE DESCRIBING THIS AS JUST A PLETHORA. HOW DID THEY SAY SPECIFICALLY? THAT THEY HAD SO MUCH THEY WERE HOPING TO AMPLIFY. NOTABLY, FOCUSING ON THE TOPIC OF ABORTION. ACCORDING TO THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN, THEY SAY THEY SAW A DRAMATIC GAP, ONE

OF THE BIGGEST THEY'VE EVER SEEN, PARTICULARLY FROM THE VOTERS, WOMEN IN PARTICULAR WHO SAY THAT THEY WERE SATISFIED AND SUPPORTIVE OF THE WORDS THEY HEARD FROM KAMALA HARRIS. AND THEN MOST NOTABLY, PERHAPS MOST IMPORTANTLY, TAYLOR SWIFT WITH 283 MILLION FOLLOWERS ON HER ACCOUNT WITHIN THE LAST FIVE MINUTES HAVE PUBLICLY COME OUT IN FAVOR OF, HARRIS AND TIM WALZ. SHE WILL BE VOTING FOR THEM. SHE SAID SHE CAME TO THE CONCLUSION AFTER SHE SAW THAT THERE WAS AN A.I. FALSE ACCOUNT THAT SUGGESTED SHE WAS SUPPORTING DONALD TRUMP. SHE SAID THE WAY WAS TO MAKE IT VERY

PUBLICLY CLEAR WHERE SHE STANDS. SHE SAYS I WILL BE CASTING MY VOTE FOR KAMALA HARRIS AND TIM WALZ. I AM VOTING FOR KAMALA HARRIS, SHE ADDED, BECAUSE SHE FIGHTS FOR THE RIGHTS. WHEN JOE BIDEN WAS THE RESIDENTIAL NOMINEE, THERE WAS A REAL CONCERN AMONG DEMOCRATS. THOSE FIRST-TIME VOTERS IN MANY CASES, THAT THEY WERE -- 86 AT THE END OF THE SECOND TERM., HARRIS, STATING HERSELF AS THE GENERATIONAL CANDIDATE. THAT SENDS A VERY CLEAR MESSAGE, ESPECIALLY THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA ABOUT THE VALUE THAT YOUNG PEOPLE MAY FIND IN A HARRIS PRESIDENCY GOING FORWARD. AND HEARING FROM DEMOCRATS

AND REPUBLICANS, ONE OF THE THINGS WAS THE SENSE THAT KAMALA HARRIS, SHE DIDN'T ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS, WHICH RECEIVED SOME CRITICISM. THEY DO BELIEVE SHE SUCCEEDED IN MAKING IT NOT SO MUCH ABOUT THE BIDEN-HARRISON -- BIDEN- HARRIS. >> CAN YOU GET A SENSE THAT THERE WILL BE A SECOND DEBATE IF THEY WOULD EVEN WANT THAT? OR IS IT ONE AND DONE? >> YEAH. FOR THE FIRST ONE, THAT WAS MENTIONED WITH THE COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR. HE CAME OUT PUBLICLY. HE SAID THAT WAS FUN, LET'S DO IT AGAIN IN OCTOBER. HE'S THE COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR FOR THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN. IT

APPEARS CLEAR THAT THEY ARE GLAD TO DO THIS AGAIN. WE ARE WAITING FOR REACTION FROM THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN. THAT WAS FOCUSED ON JOE BIDEN'S DEBATE. HE WAS PUSHING FOR IT. WE HAVE NOT YET HEARD FROM THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN IN RESPONSE TO THAT. >> ALL RIGHT, PETER ALEXANDER. WE APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR REPORTING. REPUBLICAN SENATOR FROM ARKANSAS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US. YOUR THOUGHTS COMING OUT OF THIS DEBATE? >> I THOUGHT IT WAS A VERY GOOD DEBATE FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP. THEY LAID OUT A GOOD CONTRAST BETWEEN NOT MAKING PROMISES, OR PREDICTIONS ABOUT WHAT THESE

CANDIDATES DO. PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS BEEN AN OFFICE BEFORE. WE KNOW WHAT KIND OF PRESIDENT PRESIDENT TRUMP WOULD BE. DEEP PROSPERITY AROUND THE WORLD. RIGHT NOW, THE BORDER IS WIDE OPEN, AND WE HAVE WAR AND CONFLICT ALL AROUND THE WORLD. NO MATTER WHAT YOU HEARD TONIGHT, IT'S A CLEAR RECORD. >> THE PROBLEM, IT WAS IN THE LAST TWO MINUTES OF THIS DEBATE. DO YOU THINK THE VICE PRESIDENT WAS SUCCESSFUL IN MAKING THIS DEBATE ABOUT DONALD TRUMP, AND NOT ABOUT BIDEN-HARRIS? >> YEAH, I THINK SHE WAS SUCCESSFUL IN HOLDING HER OWN LIBERAL EFFORTS. HE DID A GOOD

JOB OF CALLING IT OUT THROUGHOUT THE DEBATE. THAT SHE DOES SUPPORT A BAN ON FRACKING. SHE SUPPORTS A BAN ON GAS POWER CARS. SHE WAS TO DECRIMINALIZE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. WE JUST LEARNED THIS WEEK, SHE WAS THE U.S. TAXPAYERS TO PLAY -- PAY FOR SURGERIES FOR -- IN AMERICA. NOT AS A YOUNG WOMAN IN COLLEGE, OR KIND OF IN A LIVE SETTING. THOSE ARE HER POSITIONS THAT SHE TOLD WHEN SHE WAS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT IN HER OWN RIGHT, AND SHE WAS SERVING IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE. >> I GET IT. I JUST WANT TO GO ON

THE RECORD. >> SHE'S LYING. BERTIE CENTERS -- BERNIE SANDERS ON YOUR NETWORK SAID THAT. >> RIGHT. I DO WANT TO ASK, WHY DO YOU THINK REPUBLICANS, AT LEAST THE ONES I TALKED TO, IT WAS A MUCH DIFFERENT VIBE COMING OUT OF THAT DEBATE. >> THE ATLANTA DEBATE WAS HISTORIC. TRUMP ENDED JOE BIDEN'S PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN. HE DID A GREAT JOB TONIGHT. I THOUGHT IN SOME WAYS IT WAS 3 ON 1. SHE CLAIMS SHE DOESN'T SUPPORT ABORTION IN THOSE MONTHS OF PRESIDENCY -- OF PREGNANCY. >> YOU KNOW THIS, EVEN THOUGH YOU GUYS THOUGHT THEY WERE. >> I

THOUGHT HE DID A GOOD JOB. >> NO, NOT AT ALL. >> HOW CAN YOU BE PREPARED TO DEFEND A BAN ON FRACKING? >> THESE ARE HER POSITIONS. AS VICE PRESIDENT, AND AS A SENATOR. >> BEFORE WE GO, DO YOU THINK THERE IS ANOTHER PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE? >> KAMALA HARRIS REFUSED TO TAKE HIM UP ON IT. YOU WILL SEE MORE OF WHAT YOU SAW TONIGHT, A CLEAR CONTRAST. BUT I WILL LEAVE THAT TO PRESIDENT TRUMP. >> SOME VOTERS ARE STILL UNDECIDED. SENATOR, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> TOM LLAMAS THERE IN VERY BUSY AND VERY ACTIVE

CENTER THERE. MEET THE PRESS NOW' KRISTEN WELKER, AND CHUCK TODD IS WITH US, AS WELL. LET ME GO TO YOU. YOU'VE HEARD NOW FROM OUR REPORTERS ON THE GROUND. GIVE US A SENSE OF WHAT THINGS LOOK LIKE TOMORROW MORNING. WE WILL WAKE UP, THERE WILL BE A NEW CYCLE THAT UNFOLDS. WHAT WOULD THAT BE LIKE? >> I THINK VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS, WE REPORTED THE STRATEGY TO GET UNDER FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP. JANUARY 6th, CROWD SIZES, SHE BROUGHT UP JOHN McCAIN AT THE END. YOU HAVE TRUMP ALLIES SAYING, LOOK, HE'S ON THE DEFENSES WAY TOO MUCH

TONIGHT. YOU ALSO HAVE ALLIES SAYING SHE NEEDS TO FLUSH OUT HER ECONOMIC PROPOSALS. AND TO ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT WAS LEFT UNANSWERED AT THE TOP OF THE DEBATE ABOUT WHY PEOPLE SHOULD FEEL BETTER THAN THEY DID FOUR YEARS AGO, AND WHAT THEY WOULD DO TO MAKE PEOPLE FEEL BETTER ABOUT THE HIGH PRICES OF GROCERIES. AND YOU DID HEAR HER LAY OUT SOME OF HER POLICIES. BUT THAT IS THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE FOR VOTERS RIGHT NOW. BUT HER ALLIES BELIEVE SHE SHOULD BE HAMMERING THOSE POINTS OVER AND OVER AGAIN. THE BASICALLY TODAY, THIS EVENING, AND THE

DEBATE IS TO START THE MOMENTUM SHE SHOULD TAKE MOVING FORWARD. >> REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS IS AN ISSUE WHERE, HERESIES APOLITICAL VULNERABILITY. THAT CAME UP HERE IN AN ISSUE WHERE SHE UPHOLDS HIM. I'M CURIOUS WHERE YOU SEE THAT, CONSIDERING THAT SOMETHING THEY HEARD A FEW MOMENTS AGO. ONE OF HER STRONGEST MOMENTS -- THIS ISSUE OF ABATING. LET ME START THERE. AND I WILL COME BACK HERE. >> OKAY. LET ME STICK TO THAT ISSUE FOR SECOND. HERE'S ALL I CAN THINK OF. SHE WAS TALKING VERY SPECIFICALLY ABOUT A WOMAN SITTING IN A PARKING LOT BLEEDING OUT BECAUSE THERE

WAS CONCERN ABOUT THE LAW. DO YOU KNOW WHO MADE THE REBUTTAL ON THAT ISSUE? JOE BIDEN. IT WAS SO STRIKING TO ME. HE WAS REALLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST WEAKNESSES OF THE CAMPAIGN HE WAS RUNNING. HIS INABILITY WITH WHATEVER IT IS. HAS ON RELIGIOUS BELIEFS ON THAT, FRANKLY 40 YEARS OF TALKING ABOUT ABORTION ONE WAY. AND THEN THE CONVERSATION CHANGED, HE DIDN'T REALLY EVOLVE OR MODERNIZE WITH IT. THAT IS WHAT STRUCK ME. I THINK THE CONTRAST IS MUCH CLEARER BETWEEN KAMALA HARRIS AND DONALD TRUMP THAN IT WAS BETWEEN JOE BIDEN AND DONALD TRUMP. EVERYTHING ELSE,

HE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD THAT CLEAR CONTRAST. ON THAT ISSUE MORE THAN ANY OTHER, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WOULDN'T HAVE SEEN. 2016, 2020, OR THE ONE WE SAW LAST YEAR. >> AS WE ALL KNOW, IT MOVES FAST, THINGS GO QUICKLY. BACK IN PHILADELPHIA, LET ME TURN IT OVER TO YOU, THEN WE WILL COME BACK AND CHECK. >> ALL RIGHT, HAILLE. THANK YOU FOR THAT. GOVERNOR, YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS DEBATE? >> I MEAN, IF THIS WAS A FIGHT, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A TKO AGAINST TRUMP IN THE SECOND ROUND. IT WAS AN EXTRAORDINARY PERFORMANCE FROM THE GET-GO. SHE

HAD THE DECENCY TO GO UP AND SHAKE HIS HAND, INTRODUCE HERSELF AS KAMALA HARRIS. SHE COMMANDED THE STAGE FROM THE MOMENT THAT DEBATE BEGAN. >> LET'S TALK ABOUT STRATEGY. SHE MADE THE DEBATE ABOUT DONALD TRUMP, NOT ABOUT THE BIDEN-HARRIS ADMINISTRATION. WHY IS THAT APOLLO -- A POSITIVE? >> SHE KEPT LOOKING IN THE CAMERA TALKING ABOUT YOU, TALKING ABOUT ME, TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT MATTER TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. ON CHILD CARE. SHE WAS CONSISTENT IN PAINTING NOT ONLY A PICTURE OF THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION IN THE CONTEXT OF THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF BIDEN AND HARRIS, BUT A

COMPELLING FUTURE OF THE NEXT FOUR YEARS. >> SHE WAS SO DISCIPLINED IS THE WORD. EVERY TIME THEY ASKED THE QUESTION, SHE WOULD ANSWERED ABOUT TRUMP, AND THEN GO INTO HER RESPONSE. YOU DIDN'T GET A LOT OF POLICY, TO BE QUITE FAIR. THIS WAS A LOT ABOUT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. >> WELL, YOU GOT CONTRAST. IT WAS A COMPLIMENT TO VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, HER ABILITY TO BRING YOU INTO THE STORY, TO TELL HER STORY, TO HUMANIZE THE ISSUE. SHE WAS ON THE DEFENSIVE FROM DAY ONE. THE PURPOSE TODAY WAS TO WIN THE DEBATE. TO SHOW SHE HAS

CHARACTER AND TEMPERANCE, TO SHOW SHE CAN TAKE ON A BULLY LIKE DONALD TRUMP. I THINK SHE DID IT. SHE ALSO DID THIS. SHE TALKED ABOUT ALL OF US, NOT JUST SOME OF US. THE BEST PART AT THE END HE WAS TALKING ABOUT A SPECIFIC RACE. THE FACT THAT WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER. IT WAS A FANTASTIC NIGHT. >> DO YOU THINK THERE IS ANOTHER ONE? WOULD YOU TELL THEM TO HAVE A DEBATE? >> I THINK IT'S ONE AND DONE. SET ANYWHERE, ANYTIME. BY THE WAY, THAT WAS WEAKNESS. I USUALLY COMPLEMENT WEAKNESS MASQUERADING. HE WAS

WEAK ACROSS THE BOARD. >> YOU THINK IT WILL BE GOOD FOR THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN? >> GOOD FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, GOOD FOR DEMOCRACY, FREEDOM. ABSOLUTELY GOOD FOR KAMALA HARRIS. >> YOU THINK HER PARTY, HER HANDLERS AND THE CAMPAIGN MAY BE LOOSENING THE REINS A LITTLE BIT MAYBE SHE DOES TOWN HALLS WHERE SHE IS ACTUALLY TALKING TO VOTERS. WERE DEMOCRATS NERVOUS ABOUT HER? AND NOW SHE HAS SET THE EXPECTATION? >> MAYBE SOMEWHERE, BUT NOT ME. FORGIVE ME. WE'VE KNOWN ABOUT IT FOR DECADES IN CALIFORNIA. I'VE WATCHED THAT KAMALA HARRIS FOR YEARS, AND YEARS, AND YEARS. THE

GOOD NEWS, SHE KEEPS GETTING BETTER, AND BETTER, AND BETTER. YOUR QUESTION ABOUT GETTING OUT THERE EVEN MORE, ABSOLUTELY YOU WILL SEE IT. >> YOU KNOW A LOT ABOUT POLITICS. WILL IT MATTER AT ALL? DID TAYLOR SWIFT ENDORSEMENT? >> VERY SIGNIFICANT. THERE IS AN ENERGY AND PRIDE THAT COMES WITH THAT. AND ENERGY OF YOUTH, IMAGINATION. MY FOUR CHILDREN, ALL ARE UNDER THE AGE OF 15. THEY SEEM TO KNOW MORE ABOUT EVERYTHING GOING ON IN TAYLOR SWIFT LIFE. I GUARANTEE YOU THE NEXT 24 HOURS, THEY WILL TELL YOU ABOUT THIS WITH US, AND MORE ABOUT TAYLOR SWIFT

ENDORSEMENT, AND THE WAY SHE DID IT. AND THE WAY WOMEN HAVE BEEN TREATED IN THIS COUNTRY. THAT, I THINK IT IS ALSO PROFOUNDLY SIGNIFICANT. >> CALIFORNIA GOVERNOR GAVIN NEWSOM, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. YOU CAN FEEL THE VIBE THERE FROM THE CALIFORNIA GOVERNOR AFTER THIS DEBATE. >> I MEAN, HE'S HAPPY. >> TO SAY THE LEAST. I WATCHED THAT INTERVIEW. I'M TEXTING WITH FOLKS AROUND THE DEMOCRATIC ORBIT. THERE IS STILL A LONG WAY TO GO BEFORE ELECTION DAY. LET ME BRING YOU BACK TO STEVE KORNACKI HERE. THE QUESTION, DO DEBATES MATTER? IN A RACE THIS

CLOSE, AND AS WE'VE BEEN SAYING, COMPETITIVE AS HECK RIGHT NOW, HOW DID THIS PLAY OUT? >> THIS IS WHERE I FIND MYSELF THE ABOUT IT, CERTAINLY TONIGHT, I THINK TRUMP WILL TAKE SOME HEAT FOR IT IN THE COUPLE DAYS. I AM REMINDED THAT IN FOUR OF HIS PREVIOUS GENERAL ELECTION DEBATES, DONALD TRUMP WAS CLOBBERED IN THE PUBLIC OPINION POLLS AFTER THOSE DEBATES. THESE ARE SOME OF THE POSTDEBATE MARGINS. 23 POINTS, 21 POINTS, 25 POINTS TO JOE BIDEN IN THE FIRST DEBATE IN 2020. YOU LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS, OF COURSE YOU REMEMBER THAT HE WON THE

ELECTION. ONE OF THE DYNAMICS, HE WOULD HAVE THOSE MOMENTS WHERE HE WOULD TAKE A HIT IN THE POLLS. ACCESS HOLLYWOOD IS ONE OF THE ULTIMATE EXAMPLES HERE. IT WILL TAKE ABOUT A WEEK'S TIME FOR EVERYTHING TO CYCLE BACK. AS WE ABSORB THIS DEBATE, YOU SEE WITH THE COVERAGE LOOKS LIKE IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS. KEEP THAT IN MIND. ARE WE LOOKING UP AND SAYING, WELL, THE POLLS HAVEN'T CHANGED THAT MUCH. THE WAY YOU ARE TURNING IT AROUND, THE WAY IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT, HILLARY CLINTON, DONALD TRUMP'S OPPONENT, WAS EXTREMELY FAMILIAR. JOE BIDEN HAVE BEEN THE

VICE PRESIDENT. HERE'S, HARRIS, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS WITH THE QUARTER OF VOTERS. THEY NEEDED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT HER. AGAIN, THEY ARE BRINGING HER FAVOR. IS THERE ROOM FOR COLOR TO -- FOR HER TO CAPITALIZE? >> TALKING NUMBERS, I ALSO DON'T WANT TO BE TOO ABOVE THIS THING THAT WILL BE THE POP CULTURE MOMENT COMING OUT OF TONIGHT, WHICH OF COURSE IS TAYLOR SWIFT. >> WHEN SHE POSTED TO INSTAGRAM TELLING PEOPLE TO GET INVOLVED, TO REGISTER TO VOTE, 35,000 VOTER REGISTRATIONS. SHE'S GOT A PLATFORM, AND AUDIENCE. AGAIN, WE ARE NOT TOO -- YOU KNOW. >>

IT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT POINT. >> SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU, DONALD TRUMP IS WALKING INTO THE CENTER, WHICH IS A VERY INTERESTING MOVE. VERY UNUSUAL. LET'S LISTEN IN. I THINK GARRETT HAAKE IS THERE. >> IT SHOWS HOW WEAK THEY ARE, HOW PATHETIC THEY ARE. WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO DESTROY OUR COUNTRY, THE BORDER. WE ARE GETTING POLLS SHOWING A LOT OF GREAT POLLS. YOU SEE THE POLLS. A VERY IMPORTANT DEBATE. SHE WANTS TO DO ANOTHER ONE. I DON'T KNOW IF WE ARE GOING TO DO ANOTHER ONE. THE POLLS ARE INDICATING THAT 90%, 60%, 71%, AND 89%.

THE POLLS ARE VERY GOOD. BEYOND THAT, I FELT VERY GOOD. I HAD A GOOD TIME DOING IT. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED, IT RUINED OUR COUNTRY. IT RUINED OUR COUNTRY. I HOPE YOU ARE ALL HAVING A GOOD TIME. IT WAS VERY INTERESTING. >> WHY HERE? >> WELL, I THINK YOU DID. I MADE AN OBLIGATION TO A COUPLE OF PEOPLE THAT I WOULD DO THIS. I THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT TIME. >> [ INAUDIBLE QUESTION ] >> WHAT IS YOUR REACTION THAT TAYLOR SWIFT IS VOTING FOR KAMALA HARRIS? >> I HAVE NO IDEA. >> REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN FIGHTING

ABOUT MODERATORS. DOES THAT MEAN IT WASN'T A GOOD NIGHT? >> IT WAS BASICALLY 3 ON 1. DESPITE THAT, THEY ARE SAYING THAT. I ASSUME THAT THE MODERATORS WOULD BE BAD BECAUSE THAT RIGHT THERE IS THE WORST OF ALL OF THE NETWORKS, IN MY OPINION. >> WILL THERE BE A SECOND DEBATE? >> SHE WANTS ONE BECAUSE SHE LOST VERY BADLY. THEY IMMEDIATELY CALLED FOR SECOND DEBATE BECAUSE THEY LOST. WE WILL THINK ABOUT THAT, BUT SHE IMMEDIATELY CALLED FOR ONE. THE WORST POLL THAT WE HAD WAS 71 THAT I SEE. 71%. >> WELL, WE WILL LOOK AT

IT. >> IT WAS OBVIOUSLY 3 ON 1. >> WHO ARE YOU WITH? I LOVE THIS GUY! >> YOU CAN TELL BY THE HEART TO HEAR AUDIO AND ANGLES, THIS WAS NOT AN EXPECTED APPEARANCE. HE WALKED IN FRONT OF ANOTHER NUMBER OF REPORTERS. IS WALKING BACK OVER NOW, LITTLE CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONES. >> SHE'S TRYING TO GET HERSELF AWAY FROM BIDEN. SHE WASN'T ABLE TO DO THAT TONIGHT. I THINK THAT WAS A BIG THING. THEY WERE UNABLE TO DO THAT. >> WE ARE BEING SUPER TRANSPARENT WITH YOU HERE. THERE IS A BIT OF A BUBBLE AROUND

HIM. HE'S WALKING AROUND, TALKING TO PEOPLE. WE WILL KEEP THIS UP IN CASE WE GET THERE. >> I THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT DEBATE, IN MY OPINION. >> WHAT ABOUT BLACK VOTERS, MR. PRESIDENT? >> I LOVE BLACK VOTERS. >> THAT'S TRUE. YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT. YOU CAN CHECK IT OUT. >> I REALLY DON'T KNOW. I TELL THE TRUTH. I LOSE VOTES OR GAIN VOTES, I DON'T CARE. THIS WAS MY BEST DEBATE. I WAS VERY GOOD. I THOUGHT SHE WAS VERY WEAK AS FAR AS POLICY, AND WEEK ON THE BORDER. I'M VERY HAPPY. >>

FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP HERE HOLDING COURT. THE FORMER PRESIDENT, REPEATEDLY DESCRIBING THIS AS THE BEST DEBATE IN HIS VIEW. IT WAS THE FORMER PRESIDENTS OPPONENT WHO DROPPED OUT OF THE RACE ALTOGETHER BECAUSE OF THE DEBATE, AND THERE HAS BEEN SOME NEWS MADE HERE AS FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP IS DECLINING TO COMMIT TO A SECOND DEBATE. WE ARE LOOKING AT FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP WALKING AROUND HERE. GIVE US A SENSE OF THE DIVIDE. KAMALA HARRIS -- HE'S DOWN TO DO IT, SHE'S DOWN TO DO IT, BUT HE IS DECLINING TO TAKE IT. >> IT'S INTERESTING, THIS DEBATE MIGHT HAVE

BEEN 90 MINUTES, AND I THINK DONALD TRUMP HAS TURNED INTO 100, MAYBE -- A DAY. WE WERE WATCHING TO SEE WHERE HE GOES. JUST BEYOND THIS, FOX NEWS. WE WILL KEEP AN EYE TO SEE WHERE HE'S HEADED. WE ARE READY TO GO. WE HAVE A MICROPHONE READY TO TALK TO HIM. AS YOU SAID, REPUBLICANS IN A MUCH DIFFERENT MOOD AFTER THIS DEBATE. THAT'S BEEN CLEAR ON ALL CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD. I'M SORT OF FOLLOWING THE CROWD AND THE NOISE. IT SOUNDS LIKE FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP IS SOMEHOW BACKSTAGE RIGHT NOW. I CAN SEE THROUGH THE CURTAINS HERE.

HE'S WALKING THROUGH BACKSTAGE ESSENTIALLY WHERE THE ORGANIZERS OF THE DEBATE ARE HOSTING THIS. I THINK THEY WILL BRING HIM ON. WE REALLY HAVE NO IDEA WHERE. BUT IN THE MEANTIME, I WILL SEND IT BACK TO YOU. I WILL LET YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS. >> I WILL SEE YOU IN PROBABLY ABOUT 10 MINUTES FROM NOW. ARE YOU SURPRISED DONALD TRUMP SHOWED UP AFTER THIS DEBATE AT ALL? AND ARE YOU SURPRISED HE IS DECLINING TO COMMIT TO A SECOND DEBATE? >> LOOK, YOU UTTERED THE RULE. RIGHT? WHEN A CANDIDATE THEMSELVES GOING TO THE SPIN ROOM, WE KNOW

THEY HAD A BAD NIGHT. I KNOW THE WAY TRUMP THINKS ON THIS. HE KNOWS HE'S GETTING ROASTED IN ALL OF THE POSTDEBATE, SO HE IS TRYING TO SORT OF INTERRUPT THAT CONVERSATION, INTERRUPT IT ON ALL THE DIFFERENT NETWORKS TO TRY TO SHOW SOME FORM OF STRENGTH. IT JUST WASN'T A GOOD NIGHT. I'M NOT SURPRISED. YOU KNOW, THESE DEBATES ARE GOOD FOR HIM. HE'S MADE THE POINT, HE'S NEVER BEEN SEEN AS WINNING ANY OF THESE DEBATES. AGAIN AGAINST HILLARY CLINTON AND JOE BIDEN. HE'S NOT A LIKABLE PERSON DURING THESE DEBATES. AND THAT COMES THROUGH IN PUBLIC

OPINION. BUT GUESS WHAT? HE SEEMS TO SURVIVE THESE MOMENTS BECAUSE HE HAS A STRONG BASE OF SUPPORT. I DON'T THINK HE PERSUADED ANYBODY NEW. THE QUESTION IS, THE KAMALA HARRIS PERSUADE ANYBODY TO HER SIDE QUICK I ALSO UNDERSTAND WHY KAMALA HARRIS WANT ANOTHER DEBATE. I DON'T THINK SHE DID ENOUGH TO EXPLAIN TO VOTERS WHAT SHE WOULD DO. I THINK THEIR STRATEGY WAS PRETTY CLEAR. DO WHATEVER YOU CAN TO SHOWCASE CHAOS. AND THAT'S WHAT SHE DID. IN THAT SENSE, SHE DID A GREAT JOB OF THAT. IT WAS ALL COUNTER PUNCHES. IT WAS CONSTANT. TO THE POINT

HE EVEN TOOK THE INHERITED DEBATE THAT SHE THREW AT HIM. RIGHT? A LITTLE SHOT ABOUT THE FACT THAT HE INHERITED HIS WEALTH. AND THAT HE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT. >> RIGHT. >> CHARLOTTESVILLE. >> SHE KNEW THAT WOULD GET UNDER HIS SKIN. >> MY DOGS HAVEN'T CHASED OUT OF THAT MANY SQUIRRELS. OKAY? THAT'S HOW MANY HE STARTED CHASING AFTER. >> YOU TOLD ME FOUR HOURS AGO, YOU SAID THAT SHE WOULD USE THE SORT OF PRAISE YOU ARE FIRED BY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. SHE SURE DID. AND ANOTHER IDEA OF WHAT SHE WAS SAYING, I WANT TO GET

TO ONE MORE QUESTION. LET'S GO QUICKLY TO YOU HERE. YOU HEARD THE FORMER PRESIDENT TALK ABOUT HOW POLLING HAS TAKEN A TURN RECENTLY. HE SEEMS TO BE SETTING POLLS THAT DO NOT MEET OUR STANDARDS, THIS RACE LOOK A LOT LIKE IT DID IN JULY. GENERATED BY KAMALA HARRIS TAKING THE TOP OF THE TICKET. >> YEAH. IT'S SORT OF WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A FEW MINUTES AGO. WE'VE SEEN THIS GOING BACK TO 2016. DOING THINGS THAT SORT OF CYCLE BACK TO THE BASELINE AT SOME POINT. THAT'S ROUGHLY WHERE THEY ARE IN THE POLLING RIGHT NOW.

THE STANDINGS THAT YOU SEE THEM AS AGENTS OF CHANGE. THAT HE REALLY IS THE STATUS QUO, AND IS THE OUTRIGHT MAJORITY THAT SAYS KAMALA HARRIS REPRESENTS MORE OF THE SAME. IT WAS CLEARLY THE TRUMP CAMPAIGNS HOPE, HAMMERING THE POINT THAT SHE IS PART OF AN ADMINISTRATION RIGHT NOW THAT IS NOT VERY POPULAR. HE SAID THAT LINE, WHY HASN'T SHE DONE IT? >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> REINFORCING THAT POSITION. >> YEAH, SHE ALSO TOWARD THE END OF THE DEBATE GAVE HER BIG LINE. I REPRESENT THE NEXT GENERATION. I REPRESENT TURNING THE PAGE. AND TO TRUMP'S POINT, YOU

HAVE TO ASK IF SHE WANTS THE SECOND DEBATE SO THAT SHE CAN HAMMER THAT POINT OVER AND OVER AGAIN? REALLY LAYING OUT THAT CASE. WHAT WHAT THAT LOOK LIKE? AND I KEEP GOING BACK TO THIS, HAILLE. HOW WOULD THIS ADMINISTRATION BE DIFFERENT IF SHE DOES REPRESENT CHANGE? IT IS REALLY INTERESTING TO SEE IF THEY WOULD ACTUALLY MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SECOND DEBATE. AGAIN, TALKING TO ANDREA BY THE WAY. ALWAYS GETTING TO THE FRONT. GOOD FOR THEM. IT JUST SPEAKS TO THE FACT THAT, YES, HE CLEARLY CAME OFF THAT STAGE, KNOWING HE WAS -- >> IT

MATTERS WHAT THE VOTERS SAY. ESPECIALLY IN CRITICAL BATTLEGROUND OF PENNSYLVANIA. AND A GREAT COUNTY THAT I KNOW WELL, BUCKS COUNTY. A PLACE I GREW UP, I'M FASCINATED TO LISTEN TO YEAR CONVERSATION WITH THE UNDECIDED VOTERS HERE. A SMALL NUMBER AS FAR AS YOUR DECISION MAKING PROGRESS. TELL US A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THAT. >> OH GOSH. I WILL TELL YOU, I'VE GOT THREE VOTERS WITH ME. AND WE ARE IN BUCKS COUNTY. HANNAH REED IS A REGISTERED INDEPENDENT, AND ANDREW WALLACE IS A REGISTERED DEMOCRAT. ALL OF WHOM CAME IN SAYING THEY ARE UNDECIDED. THEY ARE SORT OF

EQUALLY UNDECIDED. I GUESS THE BIG QUESTION IS WHAT CHANGED FOR YOU TONIGHT? IF ANYTHING AT ALL? IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE NOT VERY MUCH HAS CHANGED. FAIR? >> NOT VERY MUCH HAS CHANGED. I WANT TO ASK ABOUT ABORTION RIGHTS. THERE WAS A MOMENT I THINK IT CAME UP. THE TWO OF YOU WERE LOOKING VERY ENGAGED. YOU SEEMED ANGRY AT SOME OF WHAT YOU HEARD DONALD TRUMP SAY ABOUT ABORTION RIGHTS? >> ABSOLUTELY. HE WAS INTENTIONALLY SENSATIONALIZING AND GIVING FALSE INFORMATION. >> YOU ARE TALK -- TALKING ABOUT THAT? >> YES, ABSOLUTELY. NO WOMAN WHO WAS NINE MONTHS

PREGNANT WALKING INTO A DOCTOR'S OFFICE, AND ASKING FOR AN ABORTION UNLESS THERE IS -- UNLESS IT IS A MEDICAL NECESSITY. >> IS THAT AN ISSUE THAT MOTIVATES THEM? THAT THEY WOULD WANT TO TE FOR PERHAPS KAMALA HARRIS? >> IT'S AN IMPORTANT FACTOR. THERE ARE JUST SO MANY OTHER THINGS THAT CONCERN ME MORE. I CAN'T SAY THAT'S MY TOP. >> YOU DON'T WANT TO WEIGH IN ON THIS, BECAUSE YOU FEEL THAT AS A MAN, IS NOT YOUR PLACE. BUT YOU DID SAY YOU WISH THAT HARRIS WOULD HAVE DEFINED HER VIEWS MORE? >> SHE WAS ASKED BY

THE MODERATORS WHERE SHE WOULD DRAW THE LINE ON WHAT WEEK SHE WOULD HAVE ALLOWED ABORTION, AND SHE WOULDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION. I THINK ONCE A CHILD COMES OUT OF THE WOUND, THE LINE STARTS TO TURN TO SOMETHING ELSE. >> I THINK IN OUR CONVERSATION OFF CAMERA, YOU ARE SAYING HARRIS HAD A PRETTY GOOD NIGHT. >> I THOUGHT SHE HAD A REALLY GOOD NIGHT. >> IN FACT, I THOUGHT SHE WAS IN COMMAND. I THOUGHT SHE COUNTERED WHAT HE HAD TO SAY WITHOUT GETTING TOO SUCKED IN DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE. I THOUGHT SHE HAD A GOOD NIGHT.

>> CAN YOU TELL ME YOU ARE STILL NOT 100% SURE YOU WOULD VOTE FOR HER? >> I AM NOT 100% SURE I WOULD VOTE FOR HER. I WISH THERE WAS ANOTHER CANDIDATE BETWEEN THESE TWO? I'M NOT HAPPY WITH EITHER. THAT'S WHY THIS IS SO HARD FOR ME. >> AND YOU ARE VOCALLY SAYING, OH, COME ON, WHEN FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP WOULD SAY SOMETHING. >> EVERYBODY KNOWS THIS. HE JUST TALKS IN SUCH EXTREMES. AND I DON'T BELIEVE A LOT OF WHAT HE SAYS. >> WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS NOW FOR THE LAST HOUR. YOU TOLD ME ABOUT

51% TRUMP, 49% HARRIS. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID TONIGHT, AND YOU WERE NODDING ALONG WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT CRIME RATE TO IMMIGRATION, I BELIEVE. AND WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT PAYMENT FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE TRANSGENDER. >> OKAY, THAT WAS THE PART. >> THERE WAS A SURVEY THAT CAME OUT TWO HOURS AGO. >> WILL NOW YOU THINK, WELL MAYBE I WOULD PULL THE LEVER FOR DONALD TRUMP? >> I THINK TRUMP IS TRYING TO CHANGE A TACTIC. TRUMP IS THE BEST WHEN HE PLAYS THE BASS. I DON'T LIKE IT. WHEN HE IS OFF THE

CUSP, WHEN HE INSULTS PEOPLE, THE BIG THING FOR HIM, HE SAYS SHE WOULD BE IN JAIL. I THINK HE'S TRYING TO GET THE MODERATE VOTE, WHICH I THINK IS TURNING HIS BASE OFF. AND I THINK THAT'S WHY HE DID WORSE TONIGHT. BECAUSE I THINK HE WAS MORE PRESIDENTIAL THAN IN ANY DEBATE IN THE PAST. >> AND THE MODERATORS DON'T BELIEVE HIM. >> THAT'S YOU GUYS. >> YEAH. >> YOU DON'T HEAR AMERICA FIRST, ANY TALK ABOUT NATIONALISM. AND THAT'S WHAT DROVE HIM TO HIS ELECTION VICTORY IN 2016. HE DOESN'T TALK ABOUT GLOBALISM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

I THINK DONALD TRUMP IS TRYING TO BECOME A MAINSTREAM MIDDLE- OF-THE-ROAD REPUBLICAN, WHICH IS WHAT REPUBLICANS, WHICH IS WHAT HIS BASE DOESN'T WANT. >> I THINK IT'S BEEN THE THEME OF THIS CAMPAIGN. >> YOU ARE SICK AND TIRED OF JUST THE LACK OF BIPARTISANSHIP. YOU WANTED TO HEAR POLICIES THAT COULD ACTUALLY GET DONE. DID YOU HEAR ANY? >> SO, I TOOK NOTES. ONE OF MY NOTES SAID ONE THING THAT KAMALA DID, SHE ATTEMPTED TO ADDRESS HER POLICY WITH HOUSING, ABORTION, CLIMATE CHANGE. A LOT OF THE TIME, TRUMP ADDRESSED KAMALA. HE WAS CALLING HER A LIAR.

SO THAT KIND OF TURNED ME OFF A LITTLE BIT. HOWEVER, WITH KAMALA'S POLICIES, SHE HAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS SHE NEEDS TO ANSWER BEFORE I CAN CONFIDENTLY SAY THAT. >> THANK YOU GUYS FOR STAYING UP SO LATE WITH US. WE APPRECIATE IT. >> IT'S ALL GOOD. >> PLEASE, PLEASE, TO THE VOTERS WHO WATCHED THAT DEBATE, SHARING INSIGHTS LIVE HERE ON NBC NEWS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HEADING BACK TO TOM LLAMAS NOW IN THE SPIN ROOM. HEY, TOM. >> Reporter: HEY, HAILLE. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME HE'S ENTERED A SPIN ROOM SINCE 2016 WHEN HE WAS

A CANDIDATE FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HIS LIFE. HE'S DOING AN INTERVIEW RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE OUR CAMERAS ON. FOR NOW, I WILL BRING IN NBC NEWS POLITICAL ANALYST AND FORMER SENATOR FROM MISSOURI. SHE IS A REPUBLICAN POLITICAL STRATEGIST WHO KNOWS THIS AREA VERY WELL. WE THANK YOU BOTH FOR JOINING US. HEARING THOSE UNDECIDED VOTERS, THEY ARE STILL UNDECIDED AFTER THIS DEBATE. YOU KNOW IT IS LIKE TO CAMPAIGN AND WIN OVER UNDECIDED VOTERS. >> FIRST OF ALL, IT'S VERY HARD TO MAKE ANY CONCLUSIONS. WE WILL FIND OUT OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS IF SHE CAN

CONTROL THE STAGE TONIGHT. WHERE SHE WALKED OVER AND MADE HIM SHAKE HER HAND, THE WAY SHE RAILED HIM IN. I MEAN, EVERY SINGLE THING. I DON'T KNOW HOW EFFECTIVE THAT WILL BE, TOM, WITH UNDECIDED VOTERS. FOR A LOT OF SWING VOTERS AND UNDECIDED VOTERS WHO DIDN'T KNOW HER WELL, I THINK THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR. CAN SHE GO TOE TO TOE? >> JENNIFER, WE WERE TALKING THROUGHOUT THE BAIT -- THE DEBATE. >> HANDS DOWN, HE WANTED THE DEBATE ON POLICIES. HE WAS ABLE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS DID NOT. WHETHER OR

NOT PEOPLE ARE BETTER OFF THAN THEY WERE FOUR YEARS AGO. UNFORTUNATELY, THEY ARE NOT. WHAT HE DID BY COMING HERE, TO REALLY OVERCOME WHAT I A LOT OF THESE SUPPORTERS WOULD SEE AS A BIAS. THEY NEVER FACT CHECK THE VICE PRESIDENT NOT ONCE. I THINK THE PRESIDENT OVERCAME THAT BIAS. >> AND THAT IS YOUR OPINION, THAT'S FINE. IF YOU ARE THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF, SHOULDN'T YOU BE ABLE TO TAKE ON THE MODERATORS? >> YEAH. AND THAT'S WHAT HE'S DOING TONIGHT. HE IS DOING WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO, SPEAKING DIRECTLY TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. HE WANTS

TO GET HIS MESSAGE DIRECTLY TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. I THINK HE'S EXCELLENT ON POLICY WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT IT. >> YEAH. WE WILL PAUSE FOR SECOND. THIS IS FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP RIGHT NOW, LIVE IN THE SPIN ROOM. IT LOOKS LIKE SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM. FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP ON THE MOVE RIGHT NOW. HE'S GOING BACKSTAGE. WHY IS FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP HERE? WHY SEE IN THE SPIN ROOM? >> BECAUSE HE LOST THE DEBATE. I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF PANIC. ME TALKING TO PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THE CAMPAIGN ON BOTH SIDES. I'VE NEVER SEEN A PRESIDENTIAL

CANDIDATE COME IN THE SPIN ROOM UNLESS THEY LOST THE DEBATE. SPIN THAT WE WILL GO TO GARRETT HAAKE LIVE IN THE SPIN ROOM. WHAT ARE YOU HEARING? >> I THINK THE SENATOR WAS SAYING IT CORRECTLY. I THINK HE'S HERE BECAUSE HE KNOWS HE DID NOT PERFORM AS WELL AS HE WANTED TO. YOU JUST DON'T SHOW UP IN HERE TO MAKE YOUR CASE AFTER THE FACT IF YOU MAJOR CASE ON THE DEBATE STAGE. I ASKED DONALD TRUMP THAT QUESTION WHEN HE FIRST CAME OUT HERE. I'M LOOKING TO SEE IF YOU WILL COME BACK. HE'S PENNED DOWN

ESSENTIALLY TAKING MORE QUESTIONS. PERHAPS NONEXISTENT POLL NUMBERS. AND THAT HE NEEDED TO MAKE THAT POINT. NOT ONLY DID HE NOT COMMIT, HE ACTIVELY WALKED BACK HIS LONG- STANDING COMMITMENT TO DEBATE, HARRIS, AND BEFORE HER, JOE BIDEN. ANYTIME, ANYPLACE, ANYWHERE. HE WAS ON PAPER COMMITTING TO THREE DEBATES. NOW HE IS SAYING IT DOESN'T NEED TO HAPPEN, HE DOESN'T NEED TO DO IT AFTER WINNING. HE SAYS HE WAS CLEARLY FRUSTRATED AT THE MODERATION. PRESENTED WITH MORE FACT CHECKING ON SOME OF HIS CLAIMS THAT HE WAS EXPECTING TONIGHT. I KNOW THIS IS TOP OF MIND FOR A LOT

OF PEOPLE. HE HAD NO COMMENT ON THE TAYLOR SWIFT ENDORSEMENT. >> ALL RIGHT, GARRETT HAAKE WITH THAT UPDATE. WE SEE HIM AGAIN, WE WOULD THE FAMILY BRING HIM IN LIFE. A LOT OF ACTION HERE IN THE SPIN ROOM. >> LISTEN. WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT IT ALL, TOM. EVERYTHING FROM DONALD TRUMP TO TAYLOR SWIFT. WE GET IT ALL DONE HERE. SOMEBODY WHO KNOWS DONALD TRUMP WELL. OKAY. OKAY. WE'VE SEEN CANDIDATES IN THE SPIN ROOM. SURE. AND IT HAPPENS WHEN THEY ARE NOT DOING WELL. RIGHT? >> I GUESS IT COULD, IN SOME INSTANCES. >> I

DO THINK IT'S ALWAYS FUNNY WHEN THEY START A SENTENCE WITH, NORMALLY IN POLITICS -- THAT'S NOT THE WAY HE SEES THINGS. HE SEES A GROUP OF CAMERAS, A GROUP OF JOURNALISTS, AND HE SAYS, YOU KNOW WHAT? I WANT TO GO RIGHT THERE. >> I'M SORRY? >> SOMETIMES HE DOES, SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T. YOU CAN'T DESCRIBE HE THOUGHT HE LOST THE DEBATE, THAT'S WHY HE WENT IN THERE. >> I'M SAYING YOU, THE PEOPLE OUT THERE. BECAUSE THAT'S NOT DONALD TRUMP. I BET WHAT HE DID WAS, HE WENT BACK THERE, AND HE SAID, HOW DO YOU THINK I

DID? SHE WOULDN'T ANSWER ANY OF MY QUESTIONS. JUST WENT OUT THERE TO SWING THE AXE A FEW MORE TIMES. >> IF YOU ARE HIS ADVISER, WOULD YOU TELL HIM TO DO A SECOND DEBATE? WITH THE CAVEAT THAT HE MAY OR MAY NOT LISTEN TO YOU. >> THAT'S ALWAYS A GOOD CAVEAT. LOOK, I DON'T KNOW. IT'S INTERESTING. HE DID SAY HE WOULD DEBATE HER ANYTIME, ANYWHERE. I THINK HE MADE A GOOD POINT IN THE PREVIOUS SEGMENT. SAYING, YOU KNOW, KAMALA WANTS ANOTHER DEBATE BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T KNOW SHE BROUGHT IT HOME FOR THOSE INDEPENDENTS OUT THERE. SHE

REALLY WAS ABLE TO PULL SOME TO HER SIDE. SHE WANTED ANOTHER PRIVATE THAT APPLE. HER POLLING MAY SHOW SHE IS DOWN MORE THAN A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK. SHE MAY BE CONCERNED, OR WORRIED. TYPICALLY, YOU WOULD WANT A MIC DROP MOMENT. SO GUESS WHAT? I'M OUT. >> YOU DON'T THINK THIS IS ANOTHER INSTANCE OF THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN DEBATING FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP? >> NO, I DON'T. I THINK SHE WAS TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND DONALD TRUMP. >> THERE WERE UNANSWERED QUESTIONS. YOU WORK FOR HIM, YOU KNOW HIM, AND YOU ARE PART OF

THE CAMPAIGN ORBIT. HOW IT ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTS MASS DEPORTATION. HE DIDN'T SPECIFY THE PLAN TO REPLACE OBAMACARE. HE DIDN'T ROLLOUT THE NATIONAL ABORTION BAN AND THAT IT WOULD HAPPEN. TO SOME DEGREE, THROWING THEM UNDER THE BUS, YET HE TALKED ABOUT JD VANCE. >> HE SAID HE WASN'T GOING TO OVERTURN OBAMACARE. HE SAID CLEARLY HE DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS A NEED TO TALK ABOUT HYPOTHETICAL DETAIL, BECAUSE HE SENT IT BACK TO THE STATE. IT'S A FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO DECIDE NOW. HE'S BEEN VERY CLEAR ON THESE ISSUES. I FIND IT VERY INTERESTING. PROJECT 2025, OR TRYING

TO GET RID OF SOCIAL SECURITY. HE HAD SAID ON THE RECORD ON CAMERA MANY TIMES THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. SHE LETS HER POLICIES CHANGE. SHE DIDN'T HAVE TO ANSWER FOR ANY OF IT. >> WE WILL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. A FORMER REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE GREAT STATE OF LOUISIANA. REPRESENTATIVE, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. HOW IS NEW ORLEANS AND EVERYWHERE ELSE WITH THIS HURRICANE FAST APPROACHING? >> WE ARE RESILIENT, WE ARE STRONG. IT IS SMALLER THAN THE REALLY BIG ONE. I EXPECT WE WILL GET SOME BRUISES, BUT WE

WON'T GET KNOCKED DOWN. >> TALK TO ME ABOUT ATLANTA AND THAT FIRST DEBATE, AND THEN RIGHT HERE IN PHILADELPHIA. >> I THINK TONIGHT, IT WAS CLEAR. NOT JUST TALKING POINTS. REALLY SOMEBODY WHO IS STUCK IN THE PAST. HE IS STILL INFATUATED WITH THE 2020 ELECTION AND THAT HE WON, WHEN HE REALLY LOST BY 20 MILLION -- THAT WAS THE STRATEGY. >> SHE MADE IT ABOUT THE FACT THAT HE IS STUCK IN THE PAST THAT SHE WANTS TO START A NEW WAY FORWARD. WITH THE VICE PRESIDENT, SHE TOOK THESE ISSUES ON. GROCERY COSTS ARE TOO HIGH.

AND HERE'S MY PLAN. WE WILL BUILD 3 MILLION WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR. WE WILL CONTINUE TO BRING HEALTHCARE COSTS DOWN. >> YOU SPEAK WITH THE VICE PRESIDENT, WILL WE SEE MORE UNSCRIPTED MOMENTS? MAYBE A NEWS CONFERENCE? >> THIS IS WHAT I THINK PEOPLE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND, IT WAS IS 50 DAYS AGO OR SO. SHE HAD TO SPEND TIME SECURING THE VOTES. THE SHE HAD TO THINK, WHAT IS YOUR MOST IMPORTANT DECISION AS A PRESIDENT? AND TONIGHT, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SAW THAT. ONE, WHO SHE WAS, TWO, WHERE SHE CAME FROM, MOST IMPORTANTLY, WHO SHE'S FIGHTING FOR. AND

THAT'S HIM. >> DO YOU THINK IT HAPPENS? >> I DON'T THINK TRUMP WOULD EVER DEBATE AGAIN. >> WE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS. HAILLE, WE WILL WRAP UP OUR COVERAGE AS WE GET TO THE TOP OF THE HOUR HERE. INCREDIBLE NIGHT, REGARDLESS OF POLITICAL PARTY. IT WAS A FASCINATING DEBATE. WE LEARNED A LOT. IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHERE THE RACE GOES FROM HERE. >> LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT'S NEXT. WE GOT THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE, AND LATER ON THIS WEEK, YOU WILL SEE THESE CANDIDATES. ALL OF THEM IN CRITICAL BATTLEGROUND STATES. IN MICHIGAN,

WISCONSIN, AND BEYOND. THESE ARE THE MOMENTS, ESPECIALLY AS WE LOOK AHEAD. OF EARLY VOTING MAY BE WHERE YOU ARE SITTING IN LESS THAN A WEEK FROM NOW, TOM, THE RACE IS ON. >> Reporter: YEAH, IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE MOMENTUM BEHIND THE HARRIS-WALZ TICKET AND HOW FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP, THE EXPERIENCED DEBATER AND POLITICIAN HERE NOW AFTER HIS THIRD TIME RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT, HOW HE TRIES TO TURN THIS RACE AROUND. WE HEARD THOSE UNDECIDED VOTERS WHO STILL SAID WE ARE UNDECIDED, SO WE WILL WAIT AND SEE. THAT DOES IT FOR OUR

POSTDEBATE COVERAGE. I'M TOM LLAMAS. >> I'M HALLIE JACKSON. ON BEHALF OF ALL OF US HERE AT NBC NEWS THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WATCHING! WE WILL HAVE CONTINUING COVERAGE TOMORROW MORNING. THE NEWS CONTINUES RIGHT NOW.