HEATED! Troll CHALLENGES Sam Shamoun On The Trinity & Makes WILD Claims [Debate]

what do you believe about the godhead explain it thoroughly so people understand your position the main point about the godhead is that we have one God the Father uh whether you use high or E Malachi 2:10 Unity is HEB terms why do you guys dude you try to sound just get to what you believe dude okay then I believe in a United God the father as the scripture describes in Malachi 2:10 and Ephesians 4:6 where he is above all one through all two and in us all three no you didn't explain the of the church

in which God the Father exists as Jesus Christ on Earth say it again through all the pon that would be the channel can you stop trying to impress me with your lack of Greek knowledge you're not I don't mean to impress you sir okay can you now dumb it down go to your level OPI kindergarten explain who the father is in relationship to the Son and the spirit who the father is in relation to the son so the father is the creator of the son as it says in Philippians 27 he was made in the

likeness of anthropos so here he goes again trying to impress me if the Greek he doesn't know now you know the Greek I'm going to BR the Greek because you keep in your arrogance pontificating now so what you said if he created the Sun so you're basically saying the son refers to the human Jesus so there was no son before he created him right well is it says that the word became flesh and that's that's not what I asked you I'm G to repeat what you said it's recorded So Opie choose your words wisely because

I'm going to use your words you just said the father created the son and you appeal to Philippians 2:7 so if he created the son now what you're saying is the son did not exist because he was created so there was no son before he's created right now hold on that's not what I said yes you did I as the father as the word he existed of course no see let me repeat your words again the father created the son Philippians 2:7 this is your words so if you want to take back what you said

CU we got to know what you believe so we can destroy your heresy no the father did create the son he prepared what do you mean you didn't say that I never say that okay so let's try it again if the father created the son then that means you're referring to the son as the man Jesus so that son who's the man did not exist before he's created that son who is the man no the man Christ Jesus did not exist before he came out of Mary okay that's good you think don't ask me are

you going to bark over me we're trying to figure out your position you've listened enough to me know what I believe so the son the person called Jesus yes did he exist before he became flesh the person that became Jesus not the human nature that the person assumed the son as a person was he the son before he became flesh yes in the form of God what does that mean in the form of God well okay so God of which I believe there one God the Father explicitly throughout scripture neutralized through the act of kol

EOS can you do yourself favor you're not impressing me when you try to quote Greek kosis eosin please dude you're only gonna make me go after you even more viciously keep it English He neutralized his deity and took on the form he neutralize his deity as opposed to Kar where does Philippians 26-7 say being in the form of God by then taking the form of the slave his deity was neutralized the word kinoo means to neutralize neutral can does not mean he neutralizes deity try again the emptying doesn't in the context referring emptying a Divine

Essence contextually it's talking about going from one station to another so I'm going to ask you again to show me where in Philippians it says that he neutralizes deity well we get that from the very word itself in Romans 4:4 our faith is kinoo neutralized but the promise is Karo made none effect here go friend I'm going to warn you about butchering the Greek number one Romans 4:14 is not the same context Philippians 2 because in the Philippians 2 you're told the nature of the emptying and it's not of Divine Essence is of status the

form of a slave so stop trying to sound intelligent you're not I'm going to ask you one more time what in the context shows that OS means neutralizing deity as opposed to going from one status to another status because if you were to um if for example the deity would be Idol or destroyed where does it say it's Idol no no I I was saying if it were to be idle destroyed replaced uh the language would be Karo no it wouldn't because words are defined by their usage contextually so I'm going to ask the question

a fourth time what in the context shows that K means the neutralizing of deity as opposed to the emptying of one status not for another status because it goes on to explain the nature of the empty by taking the form of a slave right well and I would um I would actually bring your attention to the word morphe uh which uh in John 17 or Matthew 173 we see Jesus performing metamorph transfig doesn't work but that actually destroys your argument because if he metamorphosize that means that inner abiding Glory was veiled not not erased because

neutralized by the humanity in Philippians 2 there Mor has a specific meaning that is not identical to Matthew 17 so let's try it again in Philippians 2 and it says Mor the form of a Slave What does it mean to have the form of a slave because slave is not a nature it's a status we the form of a slave yeah so that the more of a parabolic meaning he went from God to Slit what was it no wait I wonder what was it more of a what uh I would say more of a figurative

meaning of he went from top to bottom oh you just proved my point this is what I was setting you up for so in the first instance you wanted to take it more literally but now when it's form of slave it's figurative and that was the point I was trying to get you to see so I figurative as a slave but an that's literal no he was actually a slave well of course he was a slave but he wasn't a slave he was in the likeness of anthrop that was literal this the D I'm I'm

G to slaughter you so bad for trying to think you know the Greek but it's okay you keep barking the Greek watch I'm G do you without Mercy I'm trying to be nice to you but you are reallying me on now coming back put aside Philippians give us what you believe so we can go to the text not butcher text and think you're gon to get away with it so let's understand because we still don't know what you believe Jesus the man through 27 you didn't hear me again so you're wasting my time I'm going

to try it again I want to know first what you believe articulate what you believe without trying to impress us with the knowledge you don't have just tell us here if you ask me what I believe Jesus is the Eternal son who became flesh did not cease to be God one person see simple we still want to know what you believe about father son holy spirit all right so I believe is that Jesus claimed to be the father when the Jews asked him who he was he said that he was the beginning and so well

I also believe that Jesus claimed to be the Holy Spirit when he says that I will not leave you comfortless I will come to you and the apostles taught that same thing as the spirit of the son or the spirit of Jesus Christ Jesus is the father and he's the Holy Spirit right that is what he claimed okay before you get to okay just so we can know what you believe so we can know how to have a discussion man we can't even get to a discussion we got to know what you believe so Jesus

is the father and he's the Holy Spirit right right yeah yes okay okay so now you're saying that on Earth Jesus was the father on Earth Jesus was the father so now okay now we can go impress me with your Hebrews since you want to now go go to isaah 545 read to me the Hebrew and tell me the participles there what are they Isaiah 545 Isaiah I never claimed to be a Hebrew student you just quote you said and didn't you see Hebrew term yeah that's pulling out my Bible with the strongest concordance and

just looking at those words but with the Greek I actually pull out my bantine my majority text bantin or B okay give you since you went to the Robinson's morphology that I use that with the Greek since you went to the I am he the I am he is found where in the Old Testament I am he well that's in Isaiah 4311 good that's where I'm going so in Isaiah since it's not written in Greek it's written in Hebrew right right okay so to show you that in Isaiah it does not teach that God is

uni personal because you went to Isaiah I'm going to show you something in the Hebrew and I'll get you biblehub.com the Interlinear so that you can at least read the Hebrew and translator because you're impressing us with the languages you don't know and all of a sudden oh okay what in in the Hebrew for the words when it says your husband your makers now in the Hebrew these two participles they are masculine participles what are they singular or plural uh masculine plural construct second person singular so what are they it's the plural form it's the

masculine plural form of and the masculine plural form of so if it's plural how do you literally translate your makers your husbands because I've I've never see that's just what I've told you in the uh messenger I do not disagree with the um didn't question or the father it's time United God at this time there was no exists in three self reation that's is it not John John was the son and the spirit there because you just got done I'm going to repeat your words you quoted Malachi 2:10 to show that in the Old Testament

he's the father so now are you taking back your statement do you believe father my statement was he is an echod father he is a United father in the Old Testament was he three manifestations already three manifestations of one God the father in the Old Testament was the father already in a three-fold manifestation that he assumed three modes or is that because you said I'm going by your words it's recorded that the father created the son which means you believe it's during that period where you have a different mode of the father or are you

now saying in the Old Testament that the father was all three modes at the same time okay so I my stance is incarnational sunship and um I plainly told you that I believe word became flesh so you still didn't answer my question God the Father existed in the Old Testament as father word and holy spirit in the new test first Incarnation he existed father son he was all three all three differentiation so that the word can be sent by the father in the Old Testament right 2 Samuel 22:16 so you believe the word was sent

by the father you don't want to go to that verse I'll bury you in that verse but I just want to make sure you believe this word was sent by the father in the Old Testament of course it says the word came from the father uh the in fellowship with his word that's the distin in the Bible see not here in fellowship with the father and in communion with the father right okay so then what so then you're basically arguing even though you want to use the term these are distinct personal relationships so you believe

in that now you say personal yes you don't have a mode speaking to another mode you have persons speaking to other persons relationship you have God speaking to himself swearing by himself and doing all himself can you open up Zechariah 48 to9 for me moreover the word of the Lord came unto me saying the hands of zerubabel have laid the foundations of the the foundation of this house his hands shall also finish it and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts has sent me unto you sent who to who says the word the Lord

came un me the hands of Zer Bell have laid the foundation sent me to you so the Lord the word of the Lord said that the Lord of hosts sent me unto you so the word is sent by the Lord right and and and how speak yeah how did God send his word out of his mouth and the word speaking out of his mouth the word is speaking Yeah the word is speaking the word of God is speaking the word just said you will know the Lord sent me he didn't say you will know I

am the Lord coming to you you will know the Lord sent me I the word speaking to you you'll know the Lord sent me the word so the word is speaking he's a person right the the word is speaking but you're saying he's a person he's the person of God and that's because he says the Lord sent me so when the Lord sends Isaiah Isaiah is not the same person as God he's a different person right uh when the Lord said well yeah but you're talking about uh the difference between humans and the true God

yeah no but your God is more limited than humans because he can't be more than one person one God so can you answer the question no I've said plainly my God is answer the question can you answer the question the word is speaking and the word says you will know that the Lord sent me so here's the Lord and He here's me and I'm speaking to you so the me is not the Lord the Lord is not me the me is the one sent by the Lord so are you sure that if you go to

read I'll give you more yes read it again and then the word of the Lord says when zerubabel lays down the foundation then you're going to know the Lord sent me to you Zechariah the me is the word he's speaking and the Lord sent the me to him meaning the me is not the Lord the Lord is not me so do you agree the word is a person sent by the Lord who speaks on behalf of the Lord to Zechariah because he's speaking the word is a manifestation of God the father that's not what he

said he said the Lord sent me exactly but now you're saying it's impossible for God to send um for God to send himself himself is that impossible for God to manifest I don't care what I'm not talking about what's imp I'm talking about what's there in the text don't get me hypothetical what's there in that text is as the Lord sent me unto you you have to clarify who is the Lord who the word the word of the Lord was sent by the Lord of hosts that's what the say so now okay the Lord sent

the word the word speaks and says the Lord sent me and you still don't see that it's not the same person huh you you don't see that it's an eot father a United father what does got to do with the fact that is the father question right does not rule out a plurality of persons who are uni I agree with you not person okay but so now come back so why do you why do you keep telling me father when the father here would be the one who sent the word and the word saying that

Lord father sent me meaning me is not the father father is not me I'm sent by him and you still don't see there not the same it says word of the Lord is that the father yes it's the word of the father right so word of the father is sent by the father exactly and is the word speaking as a person that how is the word of the father not the father in a different form because the word is saying I was sent by the father so he's not the father so we have more than

one God the Father wait didn't you just bear yourself you saying and you agree that can include more than one person no no I more than manifestation I've made that did you not say hold on did you not say father and when I said can be used for more than one person yes so said I agree why would you assume that the word if he's not the father somehow this violates the of the father because that would you would say that there is a God the word person is that what you're saying just like I

would say male and female are B impress you with Hebrew and yet the male is not the female the female is not the male they're not the same person they're not even the same physical being yet two distinct physical beings two distinct physical person are both called Adam and aad if that's true of creatures how much more can that be true of God so you haven't proven that means it can only be the father in a different mode so you're saying so we get you what you're saying so I want everyone to hear this so

you're saying the father sent himself in a different mode as the word that word is actually the father in different mode right yes you guys hear that right you heard it the word of the Lord sent by the the Lord that word is actually the father in different mode so what you have here is the father sending his own self in a different mode and he said right okay now go ahead so as far as uh Adam and and they being called Adam yes I don't disagree the scriptures are plain Adam was a single person

no it isn't Genesis 5 he was United was it genis Genesis 27 Genesis 52 can you read Genesis 52 well we can go to Genesis 5 genis 27 was a singular person and Genesis 2:7 is going to end up bearing you because you said you watch my debate with Stephen Richie go to Genesis 52 in Genesis 52 it says male and female created he them and blessed them and called their name Adam in the day they were created right why would you go to Genesis 2:7 to pit it against Genesis 52 when there you're told

male and female are both Adam so do you agree with the text I do do you agree that it was in the day they were created you want it to be an eternity of course they're created but when they were created were they both called Adam or only the male it says they were both called Adam and that's clear do you then agree with Genesis 224 the same chapter 2 and Genesis 5 that two this different physical personal beings not the same person they are one and they are both Adams so you can have more

than one person more than one being who is and have the same name yes or no because that's Genesis I do not agree with that statement because you agree with go to John 8 start reading from 13 to 29 slowly I record of myself yet my record is true for I know whence I came and whether I go but ye cannot tell whence I come and whether I go ye judge after the flesh I judge no man yep absolutely and if I judge my judgment is true for I am not alone but I am the

father that sent me okay hold on hold on well I want people to see how you buried yourself you just try to prove he's the father but if you start at 13 he goes I'm one who Bears witness and my father is another right don't give me a comment don't give me comment okay finish it finish it oh finish it finish it it is also written in your law that the testimony of two men is true what's the Greek word since you like to impress us with okay anthrop men right it's the word anthrop so

Duo okay two men that's what it says in the Greek okay hold on hold on dude I want people to hear how you bued yourself with your Greek guys did you see he said John 827 Jesus said he's the father but in the context Jesus said he's not the father he and the father are two men now keep reading don't stop I don't want you to stop I want you to read the 29th keep reading pick it up no no not the Greek read your Bible you guys saw C right nobody gonna understand if I

just read it in the Greek no I didn't say read Greek now just read the text I know I know that's what I said but I want everyone to understand before I am one that bear witness of myself hold on yo you guys saw it right he went to John 827 he conveniently ignored 13 all the way down where the father's not the son son's not the father they're two men as two witnesses but keep reading I want because it's going to bury you further keep reading keep reading didn't want to get to John 812

reading you read John 827 out of context keep reading okay so then they said unto him where is thy father Jesus answered you neither know me nor my father bu wa wait guys burial that's when he should have said hey you're looking at him I'm the father you neither know me nor the father keep going he did he said if you see me you see the father that's the same as you're looking at him you want me to block you keep going because you're bearing yourself I'm appreciate keep these words spake Jesus in the treasury

as he taught in the temple and no man laid hands on him for his hour was not yet come and he said unto them ye are from beneath I am from above ye are of this world I am not of this world therefore I say unto you that ye shall die in your sins for if ye believe not that I am he ye shall in your keep going you didn't stop that was 24 keep going dude oh you want me to keep going okay then they said 29 I get it 29 who art thou and

Jesus said unto them even the same that I said unto you from the beginning I have many things to say to judge of you but he that sent me is true what wait what world same chapter I am one who Bears witness my father is another we are two men you don't know me nor the father he who sent me and he butchered 27 to show that Jesus is the father keep going now keep going finish because 29 is going to be keep going okay so keep all right so you're gonna allow me to keep

going you wouldn't stop talking when I'm saying wait so I can make the point keep going because if you're not gonna talk over my gu then said they unto him who art thou and Jesus said him even the same I said unto you from the beginning I have many things to say and a judge of you but he that sent me is true and I speak to the world me true which I heard of him that's the I heard of who I heard of who he he I heard of him I him do you hear

it he who sent me what I heard of him I bear witness my father bear witness two men you don't know me nor my father but what was that about 27 if you keep talking over me I'm gonna have to put you the background in regards to the question of who they understood not that he spake to them of the father yeah and which father he that sent me and the one I heard from that's the one they didn't understand that he was speaking about now keep going don't stop right but that's the question they

asked keep going I wanted to make a point too go to 2829 John okay keep going so okay they understood not that he spake them of the father then said Jesus unto them when you have lifted up the son of man then ye shall know that I am he oh but finish the other part John mus it I do nothing of myself but as my father who's he John one more time 28 music to my ears louder John louder 28 louder say I am he who is he throughout this whole passage Sam keep going John

John I'm gonna send you back in read 28 do not interrupt it read it out loud L okay so when start 2 the beginning wait start at 28 in the beginning read it loud 289 then Jesus said unto them when ye have lifted up the son of man that's I then ye shall know that I am he that's the father and that I do nothing myself father Tau me one more time do not add to the text like your father the devil he didn't say him he that's the father read it without your commentary one

more time I want to block you if you don't read it all the way through read it one more time then Jesus said unto them would ye have lifted up the son of man then ye shall know that I am he and that I do nothing of myself but as my father ha taught me I speak these things so who