Igrejas antigas com poucos membros, qual a sua visão? | JOEL PEREIRA - [Cortes do HUB]

Do you believe Do you believe that that is the opinion but churches that we have today like I don't know sometimes the church is 15 years old and has 80 people OK there are churches that are called to this Or maybe it was a failure along the way says we're talking about the process, the guy hasn't updated and he's stuck there forever, I don't know, it's a delicate but important subject and it's important for people to hear this without thinking that we are feeling beyond or greater than someone else, there are places that you go do you want to go back yes or no Yes you definitely want to take your family including you tell your friends and no one told you anything you just went there there are places you don't even want to go back to nor do you want to take anyone or even peace to your head Like this What is this wind that suffers some places and other places do not suffer since the Bible says in that serious conversation even I'm going to leave but I'm going to get back to the subject is when Jesus talks to Nicodemus They are talking talking Jesus is born of the Flesh Mary born of the wind of the spirit Nicodemus is a master only born of the flesh and not of the spirit So the two Masters are talking if you were there until you were quiet just oops oops oops because it's fantastic, you know that one of the texts that I, as a seminarian, run away from It's John 3 because my brother, that's just for the guys and it seems obvious because there's a text after the preaching I run away from but sometimes when the holy spirit tells us to preach because there's a conversation it 's reaching the level that God speaks to What does Jesus say to Nicodemus , paraphrased ? There's only a way if you have the same spirit as I have and you can understand what's going on. I notice some issues in the ministry, the first structure, there are failed structures, people are from life and Saul's armor, my God in heaven, David went, knowing pain, he said there.

Thank you for the gift, thank you for your concern, but I'm going to be lighter with my stones, I'm going to be lighter, so I would say that some people really suffer because there are a lot of great people inside structures that are heavy, so we can't reach that guy. It's him, he's in an old structure that whoever is maintaining feels protected because if I maintain that structure that administration worked like this, it just won't last any longer, it's a star that you can see is shining but it's been dead for a long time, it's just the echo of the glow and something else then the leader comes in, the leader when he is in the heavy structure he makes a move for two years that church explodes but suddenly a projection comes and says, look, you are going to be transferred to such a place, I never managed to understand that I never managed to understand this until I'm sorry what I'm saying here I'm not talking bad about anyone I'm doing an analysis of the reality I live in I've been a pastor for 34 years so I keep thinking these guys are great champions because they can get out of here if Reinvent here if Reinvent there without inventing there but the son suffers a lot the family the structure that church fell in love with the Leader of that church now though so now the other is arriving and the other is rejected at the beginning he is a good guy too so this structure is very difficult because How can you ask me to build a passionate project, I started knowing in two years I might leave this church my brother, no matter how careful I am, I love Jesus, I do it for him, I won't have the same willingness to work because I'm going to build something for someone else to arrive so now apart from this part there are leaders who started things in their soul for the love of God Oh it wasn't working here I was sent away I started a church Oh I was here I God spoke to me and opened a church in corner of the other with the same proposal that was here I don't understand the person who leaves a place and he does exactly the place he left he makes everything the same talking bad about where he left so we start to realize that it is a vast subject that the issue of division causes a chaotic problem in Brazil with so many open places which is the size of a cell and that the individual stays there in the Power of the Soul Guys, for the love of God, he's there to prove something to someone and he won't stand it, he's there because it went wrong somewhere else, he's working out, he's finding it that it will work out there for us Ministry is a very serious thing he will not only not stand it but will make his son sick he will cause a problem with his marriage he will get into a mess he has no tricks don't get in my brother it's because he You know that paraphrase of Babel and Bethel have I already told you or not, no, so let's go, Babel, it was founded by Nimrod in Rhode, who he was a hunter, a beast, Oh, but he wasn't, he was a Beast, the guy was an individual, he was a hunter in a period where beasts beasts entered the community, children died and we, he protected the community at a time when the flood ended, there was a lot of hunger, he killed animals, he brought food to the community because this guy has such a tremendous influence, but he comes up with the idea So crazy, so absurd Because whoever has response to chaos governing is no use in Brazil there are a lot of absurd ideas But if we don't come in to influence a crazy person puts an idea the people will Because because it makes sense wait, if there's a flood again I'll be a tower so tall that we will protect ourselves there Unlikely but he was the only one who had an answer after the flood he built Babel Abel is a portal to God is there God comes and confuses the whole Trinity had to confuse because the project It was good because it was good because it was a project that involved a crowd of people in the Valley of Sinar, future Babylon, which I call the great trap, was a hunter, man, he made a trap to attract the world to that environment, Babylon in the future had 100 bronze doors and the captives were loose inside loose inside only a part, right, Jerusalem is a kingdom that has 12 open doors, Babylon is an empire that has 100 closed doors, that's why he took you out of the empire and took you to the kingdom, that's why you're in an environment where you can't be in a church a structure that has closed doors But going back because I want to talk about nanny Bethel when that project ends, Babylon comes there is another story there is a vision angel rising and to bug someone here other angels coming down was not the same as going up the same as came down and was changing the rank of angel over Jacob because he was entering another territory called padara and Angels obey territories they don't enter just as the spiritual world obeys there so when he has that vision of another place in the same place that is a another place in the same place you are here and I didn't know yours is here I didn't know he is in the environment where It is not My thesis but the rabbis believe that it is the same place that Abraham went up to be able to sacrifice Isaac and that since that day God was waiting for Jacob to get there, so the question of whether or not it is doesn't matter to me because the Rabbi always brings great events for Moriah, everything the Bible goes there, they push it there, there's no problem. The big question is that God said that when the angels here will be Bethel which is Bethel answer Babel because Babel are projects that are born from Earth to heaven that is Babel Bethel is a project that is born from heaven to earth what is the difference this one has an expiration date this one never ends it can die the leader can die the visionary that project will continue because it was not born from my soul It was born from the Spirit So why some churches is not a definitive answer is one of the answers they cannot withstand time because because they were born from a human project of a smart project a smart idea is not God's idea it can be a very smart idea but it doesn't mean it was God's idea so it brings people together and pain that smart idea people say that's what I was waiting for in my life then frustration comes, receive what church Joel 2:20 now, right, I'm talking about myself, the church can only be called a church after three years of life because while it doesn't go through the three-year phase, I have a vision about it, knowledge about what it is it has to do with you establishing a language in an environment and it's not because nothing that Jesus spent 3 years because three years is the time to establish a culture it cannot be still called because it is still there at the beginning with many movements of the soul it is that group that sees the opportunity to play it is next year because they think it is a great moment in their life what sells the car saying now we are together with him he makes it happen because he wants to prove to someone that it was his idea and that God is with him Babel people Babel is a really strong project but he can't hold it for long now when it's Bethel my God when God give a vision the leader can die things can change that vision will grow because you are the one who sustains it remember the Shekinah I thought that in us it is a cloud but the desert wind is strong you know what a cloud is that the wind hits it she continues in the same way because she does not walk according to the wind she walks according to heaven so the ministry needs to have this Shekinah that can beat the wind that comes around she will continue in the same proportion because she is not carried away by external things what does the leader arrived look I'm going to have to close the church close what people church is born you're killing so ah but I have to close it because because I did a project to invest I don't know how many thousand reais I sold my car I did everything in my soul because first you didn't do something alone you are not doing a business project you have to involve people one day I arrived to a leader who was having a huge bloodletting at the headquarters because he opened several franchises, sorry several churches and he invested in these churches he gave the key to each pastor and gave the key to all of them three four years it still depended on the headquarters and I said it will stay like this for 10 years because I said my brother because you delivered the church ready unless you have a different church franchise it's different There is a Ministry that has There is no, it is not a criticism, not because for some they are great, it works, there are quick crises during the day, it is commerce, it puts the pastor there working and he has a goal to achieve these, they work, but for us who are from Kingdom is difficult because it is a church born where the people of the place start to give offerings they work the reality when you open it with their money my brother They are already born Independent they are born knowing that they will break now when I start giving tea for each one, this is My thesis and I've seen this happen a lot, what happens with that church, it will never have a life of its own because it will say no, no, dad and mom will send money to me And there are two aspects of the ministry and Bruno arrives for me and speak like this Apostle God, giving me my heart to have a region here, a countryside, a place I want to open a church Are you going tomorrow?

I'll call him and tell him, man, I'm going to release you. He starts the ministry there, it went bad. It's been a year, there's 10 people.

I 'll call him. that he had it will work out now I arrive like this Bruno I'm going to send you to that city you're sending me I'm going to send you there give it a year how are you there boy everything is wrong who said you that I was here God sent he's going to come here, he's going to transfer it to me, he's going to say I think I have to leave or send me some money, why am I sending someone who doesn't have a clear vision of what God had in his life now when someone come with a flame for a place, my brother, it works, so many churches don't support it because the vision is not complete, it was more in the soul, Babel than Bethel, don't feel offended, whoever is listening, but I've already closed the church, that's why I'm Speaking, I already had to open the church, I had to close it and Bruno, folks, it's distressing for you to arrive and come in front of those sheep and say people, we're going to have to stop because we can't bear to pay, the church doesn't break up and at this time there's no excuse to give if you assume responsibility Self responsibility people are sad with you but I already had it because I opened one I already opened another one I took care of two churches together and the day came when I said one will die or I will die and I fell in love with the Ministry I didn't have that understanding that today I I had to give up a church to stay with Volta Redonda, that was way back when and in the process I had other losses, so I would say that today I have the experience, not because I read it, but because I lived it in practice and the losses I suffered, very well. My God, you could invest in this, yes, start preaching about no future, it's already done, I've already done it, I've already done it, I've already done it.