The Science Of Transformation, Pineal Gland Time Travel & Mystical Experiences | Dr Joe Dispenza

I think we're all faced with great opportunities brilliantly disguised as impossible situations Dr Joe despenza is a best selling author writer speaker and Pioneer emerging science and spirituality he helps us demystify the mystical and explore what it really means to be a human being if you're not waking up in the morning and being a Creator then more than likely you're going to be a victim to your life so the experiment is how do you believe in that future more than you believe in your past so when the person says I've been addicted to anger or

frustration my whole life well get ready the moment you say I don't want to be addicted to this the war is on and the body just says you can start tomorrow you're a failure you'll never change if you're willing to sit in that emotion what happens afterwards is truly insane some people spend their whole life dreaming in lack and never actually realizing their goals they're waiting for their new relationship to feel love or waiting for their success to feel empowered and when you create from wholeness instead of lack and separation you see it not only

effects in their biology But ultimately effects in their life the possibilities are endless if you can get a person into the right State we've figured out a formula to be able to help people to go through those different stages it's not that complicated so let's make it super easy and super [Music] simple Dr Joe hey so happy to be here with you I'm so happy to be with you the more that I've dove into your work and also studying the self um through the Myriad of conversations I have in this podcast I really come to

see how and also in your work is reflected so much so how addiction lies on a spectrum and perhaps the most fundamental addiction we have is to Identity and to our personality structure and its corresponding biological pharmacology are you are you familiar with disassociative identity disorder have you looked sure I know diso it's so interesting to me and I've been diving more into it recently how essentially an individual with this disorder can have the experience where you have multiple personalities you have as few as two up to a hundred and the corresponding personalities will correlate

to different behavior and a completely different Outlook in on life on self some will be left-handed another personality will be right-handed some will need glasses some will have diabetes some will be allergic to peanuts another won't and it's so interesting and it points to how ephemeral our personalities are and so I'd love for you to reflect on that because as we start to dive deeper into who we are in our true self and our true nature we see how our personality as you really state so beautifully creates our personal reality yeah so let's start with

a very simple understanding your personality is made up of how you think how you act and how you feel so the present personality who's listening to this podcast has created the present personal reality called the life not their mother not their ex you know they're responsible for creating their life and if they think the same way they act the same way and they feel the same way they're the same personality and of course they'll have the same personal reality and I think most people try to create a new personal reality as the same personality when

it doesn't work we literally have to become someone else so then if the majority of our thoughts are the same thoughts based on Memories We have of experiences in our life the moment we start remembering our problems we're thinking in the past right so those those those memories have a feeling or an emotion associated with them so the moment you think about your problems and you feel unhappy not only is your brain in the past now the body's in the past so it's that thought in that feeling it's the image or memory and the emotion

it's the stimulus and response that's immediately conditioning the body to memorize that emotion now the body is literally Liv in the past because it's so objective it doesn't know the difference between a real life experience that's creating that emotion and the emotion that person is fabricating by thought alone so to the body it's in the past experience 24 hours a day okay so now the body physiologically is now in the past so then the hormones of stress create the emotions of anger and aggression and frustration and impatience and competition uh and hatefulness fear anxiety worry

insecurity Envy jealousy uh guilt unworthiness shame suffering those are all derived from the hormones of stress turns out when that response switches on when we perceive a threat or a danger in our outer world the response from whatever condition in the outer World gives the body an arousal and so then if you keep doing that you keep giving the body A Rush of energy the body becomes dependent on its external world to feel something so the arousal from your coworker from your ex from traffic from the news some something in your outer environment is producing

that kind of addictive Rush of energy then people begin to use the problems and conditions in their life to reaffirm their addiction to that emotion they need the bad job they need the bad relationship ship and they become addicted to the life that they don't even like and so an addiction is something you think you can't stop or an addiction is something you know that is not good for you and you do it anyway so people are unconscious to the fact that the arousal from the stress hormones is knocking their brain and body out of

homeostasis it's knocking it out of balance the majority of the time so we can actually think about our problems and create the same physiological response as if we were being chased by a predator so what was once very adaptive becomes very maladaptive so you turn on that response you can't turn it off now you're headed for disease because stress is when the body's knocked out of balance and there's no opportunity for the body to return back to balance and order that imbalance becomes the new balance and that's when we head for some type of disease

or imbalance in our bodies so then those emotions that we feel tend to drive our behaviors and we behave as if we're in the past and if those emotions are just really chemical records from past experiences then we probably more than likely remember the past instead of remember the future so 95% of who we are becomes you know an an automatic set of programs in our personality so if we really teach a person how to think differently how to act differently and how to feel differently give him new information have them learn that information have

them teach that information back to somebody so it's wired in their brain have them understand exactly what they're doing and why they're doing it so the how gets easier remind themselves enough time to install the circuitry so that they have neurons and circuits in place to make a different choice to do a different thing create a different experience and feel a different emotion could if you change your personality would your biology change the answer is 100% absolutely yes and we can do it in seven days now a person with a dissociative disorder or multiple personality

disorder had trauma in their life as most of them from childhood and the way they coped with the constant abuse was that they would just dissociate from this world and and go to another world and they would live in that world and create a different character than the character that's being abused or molested or whatever and so each one of those different personalities just like creating a new personal reality takes seven days they're they've they've been doing that for so long that the myriad of personalities of thinking differently behaving differently and feeling differently produces immediate

biological changes where the person is allergic to peanuts in one in one personality and not in the other so in a sense that speaks the human potential because that's exactly what we're doing when we see people heal from chronic health conditions I ask them where is the disease where did the disease go and 100% of the time they say it's in the old person it's in the old I'm no longer that person I'm somebody else like so so of course the disease would exists in a different person I it's a different physiology so teaching the

a person uh after years of years of thinking acting and feeling the same way running those programs teaching a person how to become so conscious of their own conscious thoughts so aware of the defaulting habits and behaviors and to notice when they may start feeling different emotions that you got to catch yourself from going unconscious and returning back to that person for them to unlearn and relearn to break the habit of being themselves and reinvent a new self so as we continue to dive deeper into the science spirituality and mechanism of this transformation I love

how you're pointing to the personality structures correlate to the the the emotions that we're addicted to it's not necessarily the substances in and of themselves but also the emotions behind them that we that we crave and so can you can you speak to the mechanism of how we become addicted to the emotions and we expect um and and crave for more of that familiar sense yeah I think that um most people get so used to feeling a certain way that they don't think on any other level they can feel a different way unless there's crisis

or trauma or disease or diagnosis when there's betrayal when there's loss when and there's something that happens that all of a sudden the feeling changes so much that nothing's making that feeling go away and the moment you don't feel like yourself any longer you can really see yourself really clearly Through The Eyes of someone else and in Neuroscience that's called metacognition to be able to become conscious of our unconscious self so conscious that we don't go unconscious in our waking day that's how people change you know so the stronger the emotion we feel from some

challenge or problem in our life the more altered we are inside of us so some event occurs and our chemistry changes the moment there's a dramatic change in our chemistry that's the moment the brain freezes a frame and takes a picture takes a snapshot and that's the memory that's embossed in the brain what the person doesn't know that the the arousal of those chemicals giving the body A Rush of energy to be more alert and be more aware they keep reviewing the problem 50 to 100 times ruminating over the problem again and they're producing the

same chemistry over and over again to the body and the body in a sense is getting a rush by thought alone so now it becomes addicted to its own thoughts right this gets really kind of wild because you don't you're not aware that you're doing that but you're giving your body energy and so so the side effect of it then is the body is dependent on that thought in fact if you reasoned with me and you said I I really don't like this suffer um I don't really like to feel like a victim I don't

want to feel unworthy I want to change that and everybody goes with their conscious mind yay let's change it and so you say okay well if I'm suffering and I'm you know in pain and I'm a victim uh well victims what are their behaviors oh well they complain uh they make excuses they judge other people they feel sorry for themselves they need a lot of attention I don't know I'm making stuff up but that could be a behavior that goes along with with a person who who suffers and feels unhappy most of the time and

what are the thoughts that you think all right so you could be really really ambitious and say I'm going to just stop today and the first couple hours goes by really well but as you see the same people and you go to the same places and do the exact same thing at the exact same time in your life it's no longer that your personality is creating your personal reality your personal reality is reminding you of who you are as a personality the environment is regulating and controlling the way you think so every person every object

every every place has a neurological Network in your brain you have a neurological Network for your mother you have a neurological Network for your enemy you have a neurological Network for your coworker because you've experienced them so in a in a sense we're seeing reality through the lens of the past we're seeing reality as a memory to a human being so they think and act the same way around that person because they've done that around their spouse for the last 30 years and they feel certain emotions that they respond to in certain ways and stronger

the emotion we feel the more we pay attention to the person or problem and where we place our attention is where we place our energy so everybody's attention is being divided on all these different elements in our life okay so the person says I'm not going to complain I'm not going to blame I'm not going to make excuses I'm not going to feel sorry for myself I'm not going to feel unhappy I'm not going to feel unworthy I'm not going to suffer I'm going to catch myself thinking these SAU and first couple hours goes by

really well but the body is the mind the servant is the master the person thinks they're making all their choices with their conscious mind but they're not their body mind is looking for the familiar feeling to keep them in the known keep them in the past right The Familiar past so two hours goes by and the body says I've modified my receptor sites for suffering I got more I'm looking for those chemicals it's the chemical continui is being broken between the thinking and feeling Loop and the body just says okay come on you can start

tomorrow you're a failure you never you're never good at this you're too much like your father you'll never change this isn't right you got to do something differently you know all of those thoughts are being driven by the body and the person two hours ago had the intention that they weren't going to do any of these things and now the war started cuz an addiction now if you can't stop it right now it's telling you that the body's dependent on the familiar feelings of the past the body wants to stay in the past so it

starts to tell inform the brain think the same way so you can make the same choice you can do the same thing create the same experience you can feel the same emotion you go ah my unhappiness feels so good it feels so I'm so happy to be unhappy because the unknown is just a dangerous and scary place that unknown is when the body's stepping outside of its comfort zone of its predictability right it's it's it's it's unfamiliar there's there there's discomfort and so the discomfort of being in the unknown causes the person to return back

to the same person so Crossing that River of change from the old self to the new self there is a neurological a neurochemical a biological a hormonal a genetic death of the old self and we see it and there's dissonance that goes on in the brain the person's not firing the same circuits and they're they're they're inhibiting the thought that's going to produce the chemical they're observing it not not responding to it believing in it it takes an enormous amount of energy an enormous amount of awareness to stay conscious and people think they're doing their

meditations wrong when they go unconscious no you're doing it right the only way you become conscious is to catch yourself thousands of times for going unconscious and you'll never go unconscious again that's the overcoming process and it turns out that it's the overcoming process that is the becoming process so when the person says God I've been addicted to anger or frustration my whole life well get ready the moment you say I I don't I don't want to be addicted to this the the war is on the war is on because the body is going to

find a reason for you to be angry it's going to tell you oh this is a good reason no there's too much traffic you're going to be late it's you know oh my God I can't believe this person whatever it is right so then the Cravings that take place when you're willing to sit through that emotion in your meditation this is why it's so valuable because if you're sitting in your meditation and your body is getting aroused that's perfect that's perfect that is the animal that's impatient that's frustrated that wants to get up and do

something and you're telling the animal to stay you're telling it to sit and it it it usually gets its way so it starts assaulting the brain turns out if you're if you're willing to sit in that emotion and look keep lowering the volume to that emotion keeping keep taking your attention off that person or problem keep watching the body get aroused and settle it back down stop siphoning energy into the emotions of the familiar path keep doing that sooner or later like training an animal the body is no longer going to be the mind and

when it realizes it's no longer the mind there's going to be a tremendous liberation of energy and now the person's relaxed in the present moment in the unknown and that turns out to be a really great place for people to create in it's beautiful in the way that you put it how we're on this continual journey in our life of remembering and forgetting of remembering and forgetting until we start remembering more than we are forgetting and I love how you break down how we're going to continually consciously find evidence for whatever we're subconsciously programmed to

find and we're emotionally familiar with and this invitation that you have to flip it on its head where the Persistence of this delusion is is astounding how we continually look for an external reality to fulfill us internally and I mean it's so easy to continually fall into that trap thinking there's something out there that is going to satiate me internally and you're inviting it us to flip it on its head and to go to the source of our internal reality that will then become the match to the external reality of whatever we're trying to achieve

accomplish transform healthwise monetarily relationships in any in any degree yeah well I want to I want to be super clear I mean we have bodies we have vehicles we have senses and we're here you know so separate from uh anybody or anyone anything anywhere anytime we have the free will to create reality we're we're Souls on the journey right so you need a body to experience threedimensional reality and there's so many wonderful things to experience in this threedimensional that we should I mean I love great wine I love great food I love nature I love

I love like I love being human in my animal self you know to to to be part of this species of humans I think it's we we're incarnated for that right the problem is is that we reach a point in our life in the plane of demonstration the plane of doing where we realize that we have to do a lot of things to get what we want in other words you have a thought that you want a new career or a new relationship or a new you know you want to be abundant or you want

to be healthy or in shape or whatever it is and you become aware that you're Andre local in space and time and then you think about your dream or your vision and you our mind automatically calculates and predicts how long it's going to take for that to happen and so here's one point of Consciousness then the future is the other point of Consciousness and the separation between two points of Consciousness in three-dimensional reality creates time so in order for me to get that thing I may have to work harder I may have to sacrifice and

save money I may have to cheat I may have to compete I may have to steal I take on a second job you know whatever it is borrow money to have that experience right so so it takes time and energy to finally arrive at that event now when the event occurs the emotion from that event takes away the lack or separation from not having it that's the prize in three-dimensional reality but some people spend their whole life dreaming in lack and never actually re realizing their goals right so so they're waiting for their their wealth

to occur to feel abundant they're waiting for their new relationship to feel love they're waiting for their healing to feel gratitude and wholeness they're waiting for the mystical moment to feel awe they're waiting for their success to feel empowered they're waiting for something to change in their outer environment to take away the lack or separation from not having it in their in environment so for the most part they're living by cause and effect so what do you do when you're matter trying to change matter you work harder you try harder you're Force you control you

manipulate that's what matter does when it's trying to change matter and so we're rushing constantly in separation for the experience that produces the emotion or the feeling that takes it away okay and you can get really good at doing this I can get really good you could get trained you could take courses you can get coached you can learn from your mistakes you could have great parents whatever it is you could develop really good habits and sooner or later you get better at doing it in a shorter amount of time well that's great that's really

cool my interest is to teach people well gosh can I actually go to a place where I am a Creator can I really think about with a clear intention what that future looks like could I train and teach my body emotionally what that future feels like before it happens now that goes against a lot of hypnosis that goes against a lot of programming because the programming says you need this thing in your outer world to take away the feeling of even drugs to take away the pain or whatever it is right so we've become very

dependent on the outer World to Change our inner world and all I'm saying is it's possible then if you can teach people how to be creators in their life and change the way they think and change the way they feel and feel the emotions of their future before it happens the cool part of that is that when you're feeling the emotion of your future before it happens you're not looking for it any any longer why would you look for it if it feels like you already happened so then when the synchronicities when the coincidences when

the serendipities when the opportunities start showing up in a person's life because they're changing the way they think the way they act and the way they feel they get more involved in the creative process they're saying I I actually am creating this get really good at it and learn how to be a Creator in the present moment in the unknown create from the field and of from matter instead of threedimensional reality if it's not matter that's creating the field but the field that's creating matter if I could change the information in the field can I

change the Hologram or the slowing down of frequency into matter and could I shorten the distance between the thought of what I want and the experience of having it if I create from the field instead of from matter now that's a whole new experiment right because it goes we got to get we got to get retrained we got reconditioned we got to change a lot of beliefs about that we got to explain what that field is we got to teach people how to get Beyond themselves and take all of their attention off their body off

of all the elements in their environment and not think about the predictable future or the familiar past to disinvest all of their attention all their awareness all of their energy off the particle off of matter off of the physical three-dimensional world and if it's particle and wave put all your attention on that wave function and that wave function there's nothing physical or material there so it's nothing I don't know how else to explain it but it's energy and frequency if you have a person pay more attention to that nothing and teach them that it's rich

in frequency and energy to feel it to experience it to relax into it to become more of it and less of them somehow there is this dramatic change in the information in a person's biology so then when you create from wholeness instead of LA in separation and you teach people how to do that I think you see not only effects in their biology but ultimately effects in their life so much of your work also in the book and just the statement that you are the placebo is pointing directly to this how we are creators and

beneficiaries of life and not victims which is something that we're continually told and fed that Narrative of oh that's a tough one we'll go into it I would love for you to share um exploring how different brain wave States correlate to different states of Consciousness and how uh acknowledging and shedding some Awareness on this Insight um feeds feeds into where we're going here sure well um it's not that complicated so let's make it super easy and super simple we're sitting here there's Andre over there separate from Joe dispenza over here and I'm local in space

and time and everything around me is separate from me right so when I plug myself into three-dimensional reality my receptors that plug me into threedimensional reality what's getting information from the outer environment are my senses so what I'm seeing what I'm hearing what I'm smelling what I'm tasting what I'm feeling all My Five Senses plug me into this three-dimensional world and it's a lot of information for the brain to integrate it's the brain's job is to create meaning between what's going on out there and what's going on in here right so so then when we're

paying attention to all the elements in our environment and we're awake uh the brain kind of beats in this wavelength that's called beta brain wave States and we're in beta right now we're relaxed we're we're present we're paying attention to each other there's no threat there's no danger around we can learn we can we can gain information from the environment when you're present and paying attention all right if I said you oh Andre um we decided that we're going to give you a test to take um at the end here it's going to be 100

questions and we're going to show your viewers if you passed or not right your brain would kind of perk up a little bit more you get a little bit more aroused and you'd be like okay I'm going to lean in now and I going to really pay attention so that when the light bulb gets a little bit brighter you move into mid-range beta and like that's a good state to be in like if you're getting ready for a podcast you're going to deliver a lecture you're going to see somebody you haven't seen the first time

or meet somebody new whatever it is you're you're a little bit more alert right when you're angry when you're fearful when you're in pain when you're judgmental when you're frustrated res zenful whatever that is your brain waves move into that aroused High beta brain wave St State and that arousal is is stepping on the gas really hard and when we go into the high beta brain wave States most of our attention because of the arousal is on our body like wow I feel really physical I feel like matter I feel like my body I am

my body the arousal of those chemicals caus us but all of our attention on the outer environment what's the environment made of bodies and people and objects and things and places so now more of our tension is going on the outer world and when you're being chased by T-Rex and you got to go from one point of Consciousness where you are to the cave another point of Consciousness you're thinking about time and you're trying to collapse as much time as you can by increasing your speed right so so the brain always is forecasting uh the

future when it's aroused by these chemicals so high beta means it's very high frequency pay a lot of attention and now if stress is Created from not being able to control something not be able to predict it or the perception that something in your environment is going to get worse the arousal of those hormones causes us to be uncertain we're in the unknown and we begin to think about all the people and objects and places that are known to us in our life and the neocortex is a reflection of everything known in our outer environment

it's the autobiographical self so as you start thinking about all the people and the objects and things and meetings and places and what could happen this could go out and the Brain starts going in this High beta States and the waves of different parts of the brain start beating out of order and like a lightning storm in the clouds the incoherence in the brain is causing the waves to interfere and the energy in the brain uh begins to go down it's a destructive interference and some people then they keep it AR Rouse they just keep

driving the sports car on the freeway in first gear and they become dependent on something out there that's going to make that feeling go away whether they're scrolling through social media whether they're getting on the phone and complaining to their best friend uh whether they're watching a game or video gaming whatever it is they're Reliant now on their outer environment to change their inner environment sometimes Pharmaceuticals and sedatives and alcohol and drugs or whatever it is makes the person feel better right so they need something exogenously externally to change their internal State and we get

very narrow focused we get overfocused we get obsessive we're Loop really hard when we're in these high beta States and we discovered that when people analyze their problems within that disturbing emotion 100% of the time they're make their brain worse they're driving their brain further and further into high beta because the arousal of those emotions are causing them to think in the past and and the thought of whatever it is is producing the chemistry to arouse them even more and they're on the hamster wheel and the brain gets very disintegrated and it sends very disintegrated

at ated signals to the different system of the body and that's what stress is stress is autonomic disregulation okay so how do you teach a person how to slow their brain waves down where they just don't go from that beta brain wave state or high beta brain wave state to Delta sound asleep because they're so exhausted the body never has a chance to go through these healthy stages of brain wave changes so in beta in lowlevel beta and mid-range beta and high level beta your outer world is where most of your attention is you're your

body you're paying attention to your body to your environment and time okay we discovered if we tell the person to go from that kind of kind of narrow obsessive focus on everything physical and material everything known okay let's do the exact opposite let's have them broaden their focus and focus on nothing physical and nothing material that void that vacuum the act of sensing nothing somehow causes you to stop analyzing and thinking and if you stop analyzing and thinking you start slowing down this thinking neocortex that plugs you into threedimensional reality and the Brain Wave starts

slowing down a little bit more and if you do this and you can teach a person how to relax when they do this the brain begins to go from that voice that's talking to you in your head all the time that's chattering to you those critical facilities tend to qu quiet down and the Brain naturally starts to see in pictures it's in images it's imagin it's a it's an imaginary State now the inner world starts becoming more real than the outer world and the person starts thinking about possibilities about new things the brain is in

a state of creation right it's in a more creative state if you keep sensing space and you people understand that that space is not just nothing it's frequency and energy and they start paying more attention to it and less attention to them they get beyond their body their environment and time and they become nobody no one no thing nowhere no time in other words no attention on their body no attention on the people in their life none of the objects or cell phone or whatever it is no place they need to be place where they

sleep place where they're sitting and not even think about time that is the moment that they become pure Consciousness and when they're sensing that space the different compartments of the brain that were modulated and compartmentalized and not talking to each other communities broken fragmented from each other house divided against itself the incoherence all of a sudden by sensing that invisible field of unifying energy that exists beyond our senses those different compartments of the brain that were subdivided begin to synchronize and now what syncs in the brain links in the brain and those different parts of

the brain start unifying into bigger communities and you start seeing the entire brain in a Cascade of Rhythm Global Alpha coherence and that's a really orderly signal that that's sent down the nervous system that's sending coherent information to all the cells and tissues in the body and the body's returning back to autonomic regulation now here's the fun part we push people on those 7-Day events way past where they normally would stop that's where the magic always happens get a person to get so comfortable s sitting down instead of laying down and going from beta to

Alpha Theta boom to Delta let's teach them how to get into each one of these it's okay now the person can sustain Alpha for a beautiful period of time they're not trying to do it it's just their brain's resonating in order and energy in the brain starts to build and so energy drops out of the thinking brain starts building in the lyic brain now you're moving into Theta brain wave States and Theta is a hypnotic State now the whole purpose of meditation is to get beyond the analytical mind and what separates the conscious mind from

the subconscious mind is the analytical mind so 5% of our conscious mind working against 95% of what we've programed subconsciously the only way you're going to change it is get in the operating system you can't do it in beta you're separate slow your brain waves down but the body start to move into a light rest where it starts almost falling asleep and keep the person conscious and awake and now door be the conscious mind and the subconscious wide open to information right now there suggest a hypnotic State and you're suggestable to whatever you think you'll

you'll accept you'll believe you'll surrender without any analysis because the analytical mind is suppressed and it's that thought that intention that literally programs the autonomic nervous system to make a pharmacy of chemicals equal to the intention as information the person is thinking now you're in the operating system so in Theta now now this is where the person can start relaxing into their heart this is what we discovered teach a person how a practice relaxing into the heart the more relaxed they get into their heart the more they do that the more they're moving out of

survival and heart is the creative Center the more energy that gets to the heart we see this beautiful dance like like grabbing a big sheet of uh a big bed sheet and going like that the heart sends a wave right to the brain bra and it tells the brain it's time to create and the Brain moves into these beautiful beautiful coherent States and somehow the heart resets the Baseline for the emotional trauma that the body's been living in it just says the event is over the experience is done the trauma's done and all of a

sudden the body can finally free itself from the past and once that happens energy moves into the heart more energy goes into the brain and as a a person keeps doing this and keep relaxing Into the Heart moving into Theta the autonomic nervous system now is getting really really hot right lights are out in the thinking neocortex what plugs you into three-dimensional reality and now they're still suggestible to information but their eyes are closed there's music playing in the background they're not eating they're not tasting they're not moving there's no hypnotist giving them information through

their senses if the nervous system is coherent and it's highly organized there comes a moment where the nervous system can read information from that unified field of energy that exists beyond our senses and when there's a match or harmonic or some type of resonance that takes place we've seen this so many times the brain goes into these very high states of coherent gamma brain wave States not a little bit of gamma not a lot of gamma Supernatural amount of gamma and the AR now that the person is having is not fear it's not anger it's

not pain it's ecstasy the arousal is bliss the person is feeling connected to something really great in the autonomic nerv system now which is now controlling and coordinating every other system down to the cell in the body the whole entire autonomic nervous system has got these really fast compressed gamma brain waves and the frequency is really fast which means there's a lot of information coherent information traveling to the cells and the cells are getting lifted by information or by light and many times when that occurs there's an instant instantaneous biological upgrade that takes place like

there's the eczema now it's gone there's the Parkinson's now it's gone there's the blindness now it's gone there's the stage four cancer now it's gone energy is inform forming matter and as you get closer to source closer to that unified field the more wholeness is being reflected in a person's biology so gamma then is superconsciousness and Delta is deep sleep when we take the information in the plasma of the blood who of people who hit that state there's information in the blood that somehow stops a SARS kovi virus from entering the cell there's information in

the blood that somehow takes 70% of the mitochondrial function out of cancer cells that downregulates the Alzheimer's Gene that produces endogenous opius 100% of the people that causes genes to be regulated in the most unbelievable ways that that causes the the microbiome to dramatically change in seven days there's factors in that blood and information coming from that field reflected as wholeness that somehow is causing neurons to grow new neurons to grow the the body is pro-life now the body is progrowth it's it's moving back into wholeness you know so so we don't we we look

for those kind of states where the person hits that moment where they're sustaining the state of gamma and the and and the beauty behind it is that as the person is relaxing into the heart and the brain is starting to change we start seeing this beautiful state where for many people the Delta brain wave is a harmonic that's carrying Alpha which is a fractional harmonic that's carrying Alpha and Alpha is carrying beta and beta is carrying High beta and high beta's carrying gamma and gamma's going into super high gamma and there's waves upon waves upon

waves fractal patterns of order that's called resonance and when the brain is in that kind of mathematical resonance state microclusters of neurons all of a sudden start forming macro clusters of neurons and now they're exchanging more information at a greater level of Consciousness and we've seen certain people you know like if we're sitting here talking if we were had a brain scan on you know you'd be using maximum 7% at a time of your brain you're you know you visual cortex your Association centers your motor cortex you don't know me bro little little fiering well

for us for us okay here and there we see 26 27 28% of the brain recruited in this state of you know stingingly high levels of order so we we we've kind of figured out a formula to be able to help people to go through those different stages um and so and Delta of course is deep sleep and I used to think it was deep sleep and now I don't know anymore because we see people really awake in Delta too so just got before we continue a Quick Share you're probably aware by now that technology

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was a beautiful immersive experience happy to share more about it when you were talking about this and showing on screen which we can put some some things on screen right now um with these gamma brain wave states that are sometimes in advanced meditators up to hundreds of standard deviations outside of normal and that's where these spontaneous remissions and um you know what seem miraculous can really happen when you're completely taking your attention from something to no thing into everything and then this beautiful thing can happen to you through you for you and that's just so

wild and foreign that our instrumentation can't really tell us fully what's happening when we're hundreds of standard deviations outside of normal so can you give some context as to like what that means and how powerful that really is yeah so I can talk from my own own personal experience and I can talk really from the hundreds and hundreds of people that have had them as well um it feels very electric it's and it so our language specialist we work with the University of Central Oklahoma uh we have one of the top language Specialists that study

the language of transformation and so we've looked at a lot of different stories of transformation testimonials of people who healed and many of them have these elegant moments and there are two really common things that people say about them one is that it's very somatic like I felt it in every single cell in my body or the top of my head blew off or my heart turned on like an engine or I I was filled with light this very physical very somatic it feels like the body's intercours with energy right the other element about it

is very emotional but not emotions that we typically feel from three-dimensional reality this is that's not like you're not a love for your puppy or love for your moms not like that this is like you dipping closer to source which is pure love and there's this kind of very unfamiliar familiar feeling that you have like oh my God I forget I forgot I was oness how could I forget but we have to forget that we're Oneness in order to have this experience in separation so so it's also very emotional and it's inevitable in other words

you can't find the language within the neural architecture of your known personality and threedimensional reality who's having an experience with energy and information that's unknown Beyond this you don't have the language the only thing that people can do is use metaphors like they use metaphors and and so metaphors are a great way to use what's stored in your brain that's known and familiar to everybody and turn on different metaphors so you get enough circuits going on to make it to get a understanding or connection the person's having the problem is the language specialist who is

the you know the one of the top researchers in the world on language had a transformational experience and could not find the language I watched him struggle for about a half an hour on a zoom call he was laughing so hard because he didn't have the language to explain the unknown right so many times what what what comes with that also is a profound change in brain chemistry the pineal gland begins to make derivatives metabolites of melatonin that fit in the same receptor sites of Serotonin melatonin and those two neurotransmitters are a function of light

and darkness in this three-dimensional reality when you start interacting with energy and frequency that's faster than the speed of light no serotonin you're perceiving light through your eyes and the eye is sending a signal to a nucleus in the brain and the pineal gland is making serotonin and light and darkness and the wavelength of visible light is balancing off the most stable form of energy called matter that's that's what causes us to be wake awake and asleep in this three-dimensional world but the person now is connecting with frequencies now in their nervous system that's not

coming through their senses that's faster than the speed of light more wholeness more order melatonin can't be melatonin any longer it's it gets upgraded and melatonin is already a very powerful antioxidant now you're going to make very very power two of the most powerful antioxidants known to man anti-cancer anti-aging anti-heart disease anti-stroke anti-neurodegenerative anti-inflammatory antimicrobial melatonin already causes you to relax you're going to make a benzo dipene like substance that's a derivative melatonin now you're going to chillax way out and the survival centers in your brain this is what Valium does shuts off the amydala

no fear no anger no pain melatonin already causes you to sleep you're going to make a molecule that's going to cause you to hibernate the body goes into stasis no sex drive no appetite no preoccupation with the environment first three centers of the body shut down they shut off and now the you won't even know that you have a body so you can wake up in another one right you can leave that one there and wake up somewhere else you'd have to be in that state right in that state of stasis the same chemical that's

found found in an electric eel you know an electric eel discharges it's it's discharging energy from within its nervous system and a discharge of energy creates high amplitudes so the high amplitudes we see in gamma these very high high amounts of energy we suspect that it's the same neurotransmitter that's found in the electric heel now melatonin already causes you to dream but now you're going to get a derivative called dimethyl tryptamine and that chemical cranks the brain to begin to open up to information and Realms beyond space and time now this is really crazy because

the person is having a very full-on sensory experience that's greater than any experience they had in their threedimensional they're more aware in wherever they are than they've ever been aware in their life and that full-on sensory experience is causing the brain through experience to reorganize its circuitry that's what experience does and the Fe feeling that goes along with it is very electric because you're connecting to energy and that energy is being translated through the nervous system in a high gamma State and every single atom in your body is getting oscillated in uh with information so

the person has a very profound inner experience that somehow drags their brain and body right out of the past now we don't see things how they are we see things how we are the probability that we're seeing the truth of reality is zero we're we're we're seeing a very small percentage of reality all of a sudden the person has an interaction with information that exists beyond our senses they get an upgrade somehow they come back and they're in a new body like oh my God I'm in a virtual reality experience and the and my character

now has I got I got something I'm fixed somehow they didn't get the upgrade from inside the virtual reality experience they got it from their interaction with energy and and frequency took off the VR headset right so come back and they're in a whole new life like life doesn't look the same the circuitry in their brain is causing them to broaden their spectrum of what the brain couldn't see because it wasn't wired to perceive it and now the person is seeing more things in the other 99.9999999% of reality that we're unaware of the body having

the emotion that's going along with it causes them to remember the experience longer and what is the emotion we seen this it's a greater and greater levels of love and so you see this if we see people that wear their HRV monitors after the event you would suspect that as they got back into their life that you know it' probably plateau and for days and days after you see this climbing of energy from the experience that lingers for a period of time now what's great about that well when your heart's open you're a new Consciousness

somehow you're interaction with that invisible field of energy you become it and it becomes you I don't know how else to say that and and and so then you're more conscious u in three-dimensional reality I mean I've experienced this I saw people at the event that experienced this that tap into a reality an inner reality that is inherently ineffable why these Zen koans and poetic DS writings really seem to get deeper into the nature of things because the experience in it of itself is beyond the capacity for Linguistics and it's uh man the the the

experience where the default mode Network dials down this self-referential Consciousness kind of dials down and you tap into this field of nothingness which uh is it's it's useful to describe to point people to try to experience it because the difference in talking about it and experiencing it I feel like is reading a menu and having a meal it's like you know it's a completely different reality um I'm just is why philosophically existentially would tapping into nothingness create more coherence oh my gosh well if you study any Asian many of the Asian religions they talk extensively

about nothing that nothing was not nothing it was rich in something but you couldn't see it right so to the materialist you know you kind of write that off but for the person who's thinking okay there if there is an invisible field of unifying energy that's organizing everything physical and material holding everything in this room together and you and I somehow sitting on these chairs without any effort right there's some invisible field of intelligence a universal mind that's aware of everything of everybody of everyone of every place of every time that source of everything physical

and material is transcendent of everything physical and material okay so take away everything physical and material take away your body take away all all the bodies take away all the people take away all the objects all the things all the places take away the Earth take away the Moon the light from the moon light from the Earth all the other planets the the moon on their planets take away the Sun the light from the sun the Stars the light from the stars the galaxies take away everything that's material that's known in the universe take it

all away and the atams 99.9999999% nothing that void that vacuum is information and information can only be traversed on frequency so you can experience the quantum field with your senses because it exists beyond your senses so give people the riddle and the understanding and the map and have them continuously think about it okay so when I open my awareness to nothing of where I place my attention is where I place my energy and I'm paying more attention to this unified field and less attention to me as a separate individual lay down the identity lay down

the character get beyond your past get beyond the predictable future trying to anticipate you know trying to expect settle your body down from its habits and emotions and train it how to be relaxed in the unknown which is normally a dangerous and scary place lower the volumes of the emotion take all of your attentions off all the things you're dependent on in your life to to feel the eye of the needle and passing into the quantum field you have to enter as pure Consciousness conscious of of nothing of nothing but you as pure Consciousness and

that eye of the needle when people start practicing it in one week they get really good at it I mean really really good at it and we look at scans of people the majority of the people that are getting their brain scan are having these elegant moments and so you can collectively create this kind of field for people and we're able to predict it we're able to replicate it um uh and we're able to induce it so getting people to linger in the vacuum or the void without a name without a profession without a a

boyfriend or a girlfriend without a diet without a face you know without a parent or a child just linger as pure Consciousness is so refreshing because think about it our senses plug us into the threedimensional reality how are you going to reboot your brain if you want to reboot your brain from threedimensional reality you got to take your attention off everything in threedimensional reality so take away your eyesight right now take away your hearing take away your smell your taste your feeling with your body if you were still alive and you had no senses you

would be aware of nothing physical material you would beware of nothing nothing of what but you you would be pure Consciousness conscious of what whatever you want so that invisible field of energy that people enter into we call it getting Beyond themselves is that that is the now that is the present moment the generous present moment I've worked for years to get people to this point And now when they cross that bridge and they enter that vacuum energy that void the absolute pure Consciousness pure love all potentials Source zero point feel the whatever you want

to call it loving intelligence intelligent love whatever you want to call it in universal mind if they understand what they're doing and why they're doing is pure Consciousness there and they can create a disturbance in the field and it's the field that creates matter if they can change the information in the field could they change their experience some experience in threedimensional reality and the closer they get to the source the less separation between two points of Consciousness them as pure Consciousness and connected to Pure Consciousness the closer they are to it the less separation between

two points of Consciousness the less amount of time it should appear in threedimensional reality that's the experiment right so then get getting to that point where you you have to go against thousands and thousands and thousands of years of generations Untold of programming in survival because when you're in survival all your attention is on your body your environment and time and to change is to be greater than your body to be greater than your environment and to be greater than time which means when we're in stress and we're in survival it's not a time of

change in fact it's really hard to change when you're living in survival it's time to run fight and hide and trust your primitive instincts which says that do not close your eyes and go within you would be eaten we work with prisoners in Latin American countries thousands of them you wouldn't believe how long it takes some of these people to be able to close their eyes they just would they just would just they will tell you I'm sure I'd love to but their body's saying do not it's com it's coming don't don't don't get vulnerable

right so so then we have to lay down a lot of things we did our whole life to get what we want for something greater to occur you know because the world changes in that realm called time space um we can't execute uh thinking that we're a body there we're not you know so learning how to surrender into this process uh takes uh practice it's a continuous process yes it's the way willingness to die to who we have been and man whether we look at it from the hermeticist say the universe is mental or Nirvana

or the Hindu say Brahma and Atman the from all different ancient wisdom Traditions they speak to this field like you're talking to that you can that we're all a part of that you can tap into deeper Union with that once you do its nature starts to become more of your nature and you become receptive to more coherent energy and coherent information and the mechanics of this when it comes to the pineal gland I found really interesting diving into a little bit more with your work because again through many different depictions of the pine cone and

the Eye of Horus from ancient Egypt they refer to the pineal gland and I'll try I'm going to try my best to to share the way that you um explain the the effect of how it happens with the cerebral spinal fluid coming up press pressing on these romoon crystals which are six-sided which is interesting because it's six center and create this Pio El electric effect look at you which is the mechanical pressure that's pushed on and trans and and transduc into an electrical charge and that that transduction is like an antenna to a TV that

allows certain frequencies to come into certain imagery and so when these people are having an experience and I saw at the event and I know I've had it and I know you have it's an experience very sensory sematic experience that is more real than anything in time in Newtonian time space reality um then you start to tap into this coherent field yeah yeah so um what did I miss there no it was really great it was really great so the Egyptians were fascinated with the Nether world and many times when they um uh did their

mummification they they would keep the pineal gland I mean it was just it was a the pineal gland is a tiny little radio receiver that sits right on the top of your lyic brain the seed of the autonomic nervous system that automatic system so it's packed it's a phus and it's packed with these very very dense crystals that are stacked up on top of each other that are six sided and it sits right in the back of the third ventricle towards the top of the head and it's in that third ventricle which is like a

chamber that where the two hemispheres of the brain come together and the lmic brain is wrapped around it right so the pen gland kind of sits right in the dead end in the corner there there's fluid in the body that is um inside the brain and the spinal column wrapped in this very dense connective tissue called damata and the fluid bathes the central nervous system it creates buoyancy it transmits nutrients and neuropeptides um it has a neuroprotective role to if there's and slush around in there and it really enhances because of its makeup um electrical

charges so it facilitates conductivity in the nervous system and there's just a very natural mechanism in our biology that when we take a breath in the sutures of the skull open up and the sacrum bone flexes back and that fluid kind of drains down when you exhale the sacrum kind of flexes forward and the sutures of the skull Clos and it kind of decreases the volume and by pushing that sacrum bone forward slightly as you breathe and the and the volume closing it propagates a wave that pushes the fluid up so it's this very twep

forward one step back mechanism three steps forward one step back two steps forward one step back back and forth by normal respiration and it starts at the base of the spine and that sacrum bone goes up all the way to the brain and then there's four chambers there's a fourth fcal in the back of the neck right at the brain stem then there's a long Aqueduct like a long tube and then it enters these the the center called the third ventricle that's where the pineal gland's sitting and then there's these two horns these two lateral

kind of horns that that are other lateral ventricles where the fluid goes there and then it goes whoop around this head and goes back down so we do a particular Breath by using the intrinsic muscles to blow air out and then follow your breath from your perineum and to pull that life force which is the creative Force the perenium is the space between the space down there and same muscles used to eliminate front and back same muscles you used for intercourse to coordinate the movement of the muscles instead of releasing energy out to practice pulling

that energy up with your breath following it into your lower abdomen locking your belly button down continue your breath into your gut lock your core and if you go one two three like that bring your shoulders down lift your chest up straighten your spine that fluid starts to accelerate up by increasing ing pressure in there feel it dude your voice is echoing me from the in me from The Retreat so when you accelerate these charged molecules and they are ions they're they're there proteins and salts and solution they have a charge and if you accelerate

charged molecules quickly it creates an external field called an inductance field get that fluid starting to move and accelerate you're going to start to create a field like this and as that field begins to move that energy that's is going to be tunneled right up that tube right up that inductor tube and the sympathetic nervous system is going to switch on is going to drive that energy right to the brain you finish your breath right up you finish your breath right up at that six center you keep your attention right there and that's your Target

and there's a way that you can practice kind of compressing this phus in the right way that begins to exert a mechanical stress on those crystals the mechanical stress on those crystals begins to create a polarization between the points on the opposite end like they're diamonds right so they're now I get a positive charge here and a negative charge here and when the materials become polarized like that it begins to produce an external electromagnetic field and it says the field is reversible so compress the crystals all of a sudden you Shimmer the crystals you get

a charge there they start separating from each other and now you got this Bank of crystals that are emitting an external electromagnetic field the field goes out and the crystals have physical limitations they can't stretch anymore and when that happens the field reverses and it compresses the crystals again and all of a sudden you have this little radio receiver that can pick up frequencies that are in exact alignment with those waves so now it said that it's a transducer so now you have energy moving to the brain and if all of the mind is in

the body and all the emotions are stored in the body then when the sympathetic nervous system switches on it's taking all that energy in the form of emotions and it's releasing it back to the brain and a gate in the brain stem opens up and energy moves right into the lyic brain the seed of the autonomic nervous system the brain moves into those High gamma States now when the pineal gland becomes electrically activated and it's charged now you have a positive charge here and a negative charge down here and what do you have now the

body becomes a magnet and the the intens of the activation of those crystals naturally is going to automatically draw those charged molecules to it so now you have this pra tube moving an enormous amount of energy and the person is the person is switched on when that occurs and the brain is going into this heightened State and the nervous system the lights are dialed down in the thinking personality neocortex autobiographical self you're in Theta the the anization of the energy moving into the brain kind of causes you to stop analyzing and thinking right that initation

that takes place the person now all of a sudden the lyic brain switches on and now if the nervous system is coherent and lights are out in the neocortex and it's oscillating in order like a tuning fork the antenna that's sitting right on the top can pick up information as long as the nervous system is coherent can't read coherent can't read any information if there's incoherence there's there's no order static get the person coherent and now all of a sudden the radio receiver can start picking up information and transducing in other words taking the information

like a TV signal on your TV antenna and the antenna then's picking up that information and transducing it into pictures on your TV screen different channels into into different channels and so there's an infinite number of frequencies in the quantum which means there's a lot of experiences for us to have in the unknown self that exists beyond our senses so then we discovered in our functional MRIs that when the person has the default mode Network shut off which means they're not trying to predict the future they're not trying to anticipate anything they're completely in the

present moment when the default mode system is shut off then when you don't expect anything to happen that's when the unexpected happens the correlation between the decrease in modulation the decrease in compartmentalization the more order in the brain is directly correlated with the mystical experience and the person who's having that mystical experience their brain looks like they're on coccion I'm not saying that that's what the brain cancer are saying that's what the data is actually saying now they can't make make their brain do that somehow it's happening to them I love your passion for this

because I've heard um so many different firsthand experiences of how potent and transformational this experiences but you Bridging the science and spirituality of this and the best we can with the tools that we have and the understanding that's continually growing and that you're really pioneering so much of the work of is helping bridge this understanding of how it's actually happening within us biologically now if you're open to it I would love for you to share the experience that you had staring into the fire that one time oh my God I had the privilege of having

you over here for the the with the men that one night and having the dinner also heard you share the story before and it's such a um like we're obviously tapping into the exploration of the mystical and in ways that we can't fully describe but the experiences are so real like like we're speaking to um and that you shared and so would you be open to sharing a little bit of that story yeah yeah so I was just thinking while you were talking because when we look at the brain scans of people in those High

yeah High gamma States the area right around the pineal gland is on fire like there's an enormous amount of energy so we know that the radio receiver is dialed in you know that it's switched on and so I think as a child I had a lot of weird uh experiences just for me that weren't really seemed very common that other people are having my brother my brother and I both uh but I was always fascinated by you know the idea of Mystics and what that really meant all along you know throughout my whole entire life

and I started thinking about it had to be a change in brain chemistry and I you know looked at all kinds of exogenous substances and just was curious because I was in the healthcare field and people would ask me all the time about different substances and so I just thought it be a good idea for me to look into it um but I wasn't interested in looking into the data that wasn't scientific so I found these really nerdy scientists that really spent their whole life their whole life studying the pineal gland and vertebrates and it's

such a fascinating Journey because so many vertebrates have this little gland in the back of their brain that's sensitive to frequency it's almost like an extra sensory organ so for an example the the chameleon has a very soft spot right right where the penal gland sits right underneath and the light that's coming from the Sun the spectrum of visible light and infrared light somehow reaches its receptors in the pineal gland its little crystals and the information it's getting about the environment causes that gland to secrete melanins or pigments that caus them to blend in with

the environment they're not doing that through their senses I'm sure there's an element to it but it's an instantaneous process that now they're part of the environment for for for preservation homing pigeons have these magnetic crystals also that allow them to navigate to North bees have them turtles have them most vertebrates have them so so anyway long story short I started reading these geeky guys to find out what exactly was that I could find that wasn't just you know a wasn't interested in a hippie book I was interested in the science stuff not to say

that there isn't science in hippie books but I wanted to go right to the published papers and so I came across this paper that was talking about those derivatives that I just talked about and I found it so fascinating and I started thinking about how could the brain like how could the brain make those derivatives like what would be the signaling mechanism to get the the brain to make them would would it be a Vision Quest fasting you know I went through all the thoughts in my head and so anyway I wrote a paper on

it and the paper wound up being published was and it um it was the day that the paper was published and I felt really great about it and it was called uh Sarah Mel and the whole family of pineal neurotransmitters and so um I put my kids to sleep I was cleaning up the kitchen and I went and sat on the couch in and um there was a fire going I was living in the Pacific Northwest at the time and um I was tired it was the end of the day but I wasn't ready to

go to sleep and my kids were kind of goofing around in the bedroom and I was teasing them saying I'm going to come in there you know and uh so they settled down and got really quiet I knew they fell asleep and I started thinking about all the things that I had to do you know I got to get this done I got to get that done tomorrow I got to do this the horses is about ready to give birth you know all this stuff and the fire was going and and um um I must

have just been in the right state where I was gazing Into the Fire and I kind of moved into trance and I think one of the best ways to induce trance is when you're looking at something that isn't predictable like there's novelty involved whether it's the waves rolling in flickers of flame or an aquarium where you know creatures are moving about somehow we kind of pause for a minute and we go into that kind of alpha state so I was tired my brain chemistry probably was changed I wasn't ready to go to sleep but my

body was tired and I was wake and I was just thinking about those derivatives and those metabolites and I started fishing around with my my awareness and I said to myself to my pineal gland where are you anyway that's just what I said where are you I kind of fished around in there and the moment I made my attention uh connected to it it was like a like a three-dimensional screen opened up and I saw this gland and its mouth was in spasm and I saw this white milky substance coming out of the gland and

I just was like Wow and then it switched and I there was a time piece that was probably 15 fet tall I was standing in front of I remember the crystallin colors on the glass I had never seen I've never seen colors this I don't know how to describe it it's not in the color range that we know but it was colors and I could see the Roman numerals on every one of that that uh numbers on the time piece and it was it was brilliant it was light and all of a sudden I see

the hands of the clock quickly start rolling backwards in time and the moment I see that hands of the clock going backwards in time I'm thinking while it's happening I have the realization oh my God the pineal gland is a biological time piece that allows us to travel forwards and backwards in time I just had the thought like oh that's what it is and and as this as it's whining backwards I realize I'm moving through time but I'm not going anywhere I'm I'm present but I'm moving through time and I'm as I move through time

I'm experiencing spaces or dimensions and they're all stacked up on top of each other and I run through my whole life till I'm about a 9-year-old kid and I'm in I'm I land in my bedroom now I'm Joe dispenza at that time in my bedroom as conscious as I am right now probably more looking at myself laying in the bed and when I was a kid I really liked having fevers because I would go super lucid and so I was having a fever and my mother had just left the room she closed the door and

she said to my father he's burning up and then she would always give me like aspirin or baby aspirin or whatever and I would always fake like I would take it and I put it in my flannel pockets and my pajamas and I never took it because I didn't want to miss the trip like I did not want to miss the I didn't want to miss the the flight so anyway so here I am watching myself I have the covers right up to my nose it's dark in my room but I can see myself my

mother closes the door and I'm looking at myself as as a 9-year-old kid and at the same time I'm reexperiencing that moment I'm nine years old again and I'm deeply involved in trying to figure out how time works and I'm seeing it as this three-dimensional chessboard but they're not cubes they're kind of more like Honeycombs and and I'm watching when we change how that affects reality like and it's just all mathematical and my I'm 9 years old and I'm doing this and I'm standing over myself and I just like I fall in love with this

kid I just start laughing I'm like oh my God he's going to become you like he's definitely going to become you cuz I'm still doing that right now you know like and so I look at him and I shake my head and the moment I fall in love with him the moment I fall in love with him I know that he's he's going to become me I know that and I know that the love that I'm having for him in that moment is actually what's drawing him towards me as my future self not as my

Joe despenza then I just realize there's a bigger thing involved that I just had a moment outside of time I was outside of time not this kind of time I was outside of time in fact I was in two places simultaneously conscious you know so anyway um I fall in love with this guy and then I realized I'm going to become him and and I know that somehow My Future Self is drawing him to me in love and then all of a sudden I look up and there's the clock again and all of a sudden

I start seeing it moving forward in time and I'm just like oh no we're going forward in time and all of a sudden I land on my Ranch uh in the Northwest and I'm walking with this long cape in the back pastures I'm coming through the back pastures where the Mars are and I cross through the gate and I come through the gardens and I'm Barefoot and it's a it's a November evening and there's a blanket of prisms of frost along the carpet of the grass and I can see it go on as the moon

hits it and I'm walking barefoot and the ground is ice cold and it feels amazing like it felt like I was part of the hole like the cold was pleasurable to me I didn't have an aversion to it I was part of nature it was part of me I was connected I don't know how to describe it there was a reverence with my feet on the earth it was just it was just a whole different experience that I've ever had and I'm and I love nature and so I walked through the Gardens and I walk

across these Basalt stones that I had built into a fireplace and as I crossed the stones the moment I touched the stones I don't know how to say this except I knew they knew me and I knew them and they were Noble and I was noble and we had this very strong moment in this connection I I they were conscious let me just say that and I was conscious that they were conscious and they were so happy to be where they were to serve me I don't know how to say this in words anyway I'm

feeling pretty exalted and I walk over to this Fountain where there's a beautiful seating area and I had all this weria growing and I built this fountain with my brother and I and I stopped I had the cape I was wrapped around I stopped and I looked at the fountain and I just started laughing like I remember when we built this thing and then all of a sudden behind the fountain comes this little woman and uh again uh she was colors of light I had never seen in my life and she was radiant and glowing

and she was like about this big really small and there was a like a a steward that was kind of behind her that followed her I don't know maybe a mentor but someone that was kind of protecting her and she just kind of walked out from behind the fountain and she just looked at me now I was feeling pretty good I thought I was enlightened you know I thought I was there and she looked at me and in instant she hit me in the heart with a level of love that was probably a thousand times

greater than what I was feeling in that moment and then it just and when it hit me in the heart the thought on that she was transmitting to me is there is always more love and I was just like oh my God how foolish how arrogant of me how small-minded of me like and I was feeling pretty good like you would be like wow this is great and and she was telling me there was was more more love and it it hit me so so strong in the heart that it kind of Awakened me and

then I kind of glanced over and as I glanced over as my future self I'm looking at my current self washing dishes in the kitchen moments before I laid on the couch and I just kind of crossed my arms and I take a moment I look at this guy and there he is again like same guy like he's washing dishes and he's trying to dovetail all these Concepts he's got all these thoughts on his mind he's trying to figure it all out you know I see his strengths I see his weaknesses I see his sincerity

you know I he's me like and I and I just I just look at this guy and I fall in love with him now my heart is really uh expanded in that moment and so I have a very strong feeling of love for him and I forgot this but when I was washing the dishes all of a sudden I felt this crazy feeling while I was washing the dishes like I felt like what the hell and I thought is somebody somebody looking at me outside you know and I kind of trying to lean and look

out the window but the light from the kitchen was creating like a reflection so I could only see myself and then I thought wellow there's dogs on the property it's a ranch there was somebody out there they'd be going off you know so I just kind of looked like that and I just kind of went back to washing dishes you know anyway so then I came to and I think the most powerful part of this whole entire thing was that feeling that I had in my chest like that feeling lingered for about two weeks like

and then I started thinking like what is reality was that real how could I feel such a strong emotion from something that I don't know that I didn't experience in three-dimensional reality and then so that furthered my investigation both in the research Department of the pineal gland but then also a lot of the mystical understandings that so many cultures had around this you know pine cone shaped gland that that uh somehow has all kinds of wonderful effects on the human biology and it's called the third eye I don't know I call it the first eye

yeah the first third iPhone call you up man the transmission like that there is this loving intelligence that is guiding us that may be a future selves that is ineffable but like the experience that you had of your future self the love that you had for him drawing you to him to who you are and who you're evolving to into is uh really profound I I mean I I feel it like these intuitive hits that we have that pull us in a direction that are like Whispers that we start to listen to more of and

that brings us more connection abundance Freedom purpose Dharma is really really an interesting reflection I think I think the biggest takeaway for me without a doubt is I realized that that love it wasn't coming from anyone or anything out there you stop looking for it out there it's like it came from my own inner inward Journey you know and I think that's when our values change a lot you know I mean that's when you know I think when we look at people that come to our work whether they're coming for health or wealth or relationships

or mystical whatever it is new careers they're they're really coming for wholeness that's what they're really coming coming for so um the the the pineal gland meditation in and of itself um you have to you you have to understand what you're doing and why you're doing it so you can do the meditation with the intention of staying present and assigning meaning to every single step and it's the act of understanding the what and the why that switches on the prefrontal cortex for an intended outcome and so yeah we've been investigating it there areas of the

brain when the person has a one of these transcendental moments um very specific areas of the brain that reflect the person's having a moment where they're creating a long-term memory and the emotion that's associated with it is love and joy so we know that in no way do are they in any type of trouble because a neuroscientist sometimes that sees these kind of scans thinks seizure like almost all the time and the person's having a connection really a pretty big moment yeah I guess last note on that I'm just that story is uh first off

I love that kid I love that kid who has this Obsession that's reflecting on the nature of time at at such a young age and is dra you to where you're at now and how that passion is still alive thriving bigger than ever before you know I we were joking at the men's group dinner that we started calling you Doctor Strange because this real deep passion you have for the understanding of the nature of reality and to bridge that gap between science and spirituality is so uh just admire it and and and love that passion

in you thank you um and I'm just curious as you've gone on this journey of trying to make sense of all this so what's happened to you in your innate Curiosities there's still obviously the Gap from what science can explain or be have measured versus the inner intrinsic spiritual experiences that we can go on describing and I'm just curious how do you courageously try to bridge that Gap and share experiences which you know are going to be ridiculed um if they haven't been fully you know fleshed out in the scientific world yeah it's really easy

I don't care like I I really don't care like I at the point Andre were um and I'm not saying this in in the least bit in any arrogant way but I know that on some level we're helping people and and if I listen to the ridicule and the you know the the attacks that I had on me to discourage me in doing this um then I probably wouldn't deserve to be doing it I mean the cool thing about the science and the investigation is you can't call it pseudo science anymore that's the first thing

the second thing is this is not for everybody like I love medicine I love the advancements in medicine I love pharmacology and how they've helped so many people including myself you know so I'm I'm not saying that drop your dependence on your anti-depression anti-depressant tomorrow I'm saying that there's an innate capacity for the body to heal when it's under the right conditions to the degree in which that the body heals I'm blown away like I'm blown away so it's not me that's saying these things it's it's the it's the science that's saying it's the research

that's saying it so we can't call it pseudo science any longer we're able to reproduce the outcomes which means it's really really scientific and the idea that people can uh understand that they have a hand in their own whatever health or their own life is such a huge responsibility and such a huge Freedom uh and so I'm not at all concerned about it because the conversations that I am having with doctors and researchers and clinicians um are very different than the conversations I was having just two years ago because the scientists in the person who

sees someone with stage four cancer going to remission is going to say it happens all the time but the human in them many times just goes if that happened how did that happen that's what got me on the journey how did that person step out of a wheelchair I watched her step out of a wheelchair in real time like what happened in there right so so it pequs a greater conversation I don't want to argue with anybody I'm not saying that people should not do the conventional things I'm saying the nervous system in the human

body has the capacity to manufacture or Pharmacy of chemicals that works equal to or better than any drug that's what our data shows so if you know that's the case then it would really be prudent to understand if I'm out of homeostasis tell me the things I need to do to get back into homeostasis so I have energy for growth and repair so I have energy for long-term building projects and and so I was sitting at a table with 15 of our scientists two months ago looking at the you know and we had a couple

new people there but these are very very well-published scientists from Harvard from Stanford from UCSD from everywhere and we're just picking apart the the the the research and the new neuroscientist was kind of sitting there and we one of the leading experts in the microbiome is at UC San Diego she's a brilliant scientist and really smart brilliant person and she was showing everybody all the probiotic effects of the microbiome and the dramatic changes that were taking place in 7 days there's no diet there's no probiotic that you'll take you know take away the sugar take

away the alcohol take you fast intermittent whatever it is you don't see these kind of changes in in seven days ever and she was putting up the graphs and we were looking at them and there are all the growth for anti-cancer anti-inflammation you know all these really really healthy microbes and the neuroscientist just kind of pauses and goes excuse me like what like are you kid like she it never occurred to her but she looked at the evidence and how could you deny it you cannot deny it because it's that's what the data shows right

so if it was happening in 10% of our community and it was the right temporal lobe a standard or two standard deviations a greater than normal in the peak moment of gamma for sustained 2 minutes uh I probably wouldn't be as passionate but when you see the 77% of the population 84% of the population more than one study 100% of the population the tribe the flock the herd you know the school the collective there's an emergent consciousness that's being reflected in people's biology in 7even days so so the scientist who has an interest in this

area and by the way our scientists were very skeptical when they started they they call it medicine they do the work they say it's the best medicine I'm going to keep doing it they're not doing it to be spiritual they're doing it because they understand the Practical value behind it right so you look at the data and and you see it happen in seven days so many scientists just they fall out of their chair and they go 7 days like all these dramatic changes you know 77% of the population every one of those people with

different genotypes genes make proteins 77% of the herd of the flock are expressing the same genes and making the same proteins that's more than three out of four people there's an immersion Consciousness and their biology genetically is evolving together in seven days so the scientists who who have the understanding they see this they they they're Blown Away by it and and now uh we have really great invitations to to to delve deeper but do I say that I have the only answer no I'm saying wow we came across something really we don't bias any of

our studies we draw blood we do brain scans we randomly collect things we we we don't we don't we just we we measure everything I mean you saw the data on Quantum study is very very fascina breast milk study is insan tear drops breast milk poop sweat Biometrics everything seeing what's really happening yeah yeah so it's kind of cool so so just a little bit so so the conversations I'm having uh with Scientists are very different uh than they than they were years ago and I love when I see some of the scientists running the

same study three or four times in a row they're really really thinking they're going to get get a different outcome they're getting a new outcome than they typically would expect if they're running it four times I know they're changing their belief in that moment I know that they're discovering something new yeah a really fascinating uh share that you guys did um with with some of the scientists was meditators through intention alone upregulating serpent A5 was very very interesting it is it is an amazing study because I mean when you get the brain and the body

in the right State and you can open the door between the conscious mind and the subconscious mind and you can get a person relaxed and awake Right Between Worlds conscious and their subconscious mind if they have the intent to Signal a gene to make a protein that intention is translated as chemistry in the form of chemical information that's what the intention is it's a it's the reflection of inform chemically 100% of the people 100% of them that had the intention of of regulating serpent A5 protein 100% of them did it the trend to regulate endogenous

interferon was up over 90% the trend was in the exact same direction begs the question if genes make proteins what protein could you not make collag elastin actin mein enzymes hormones you know we're just scratching our head going wow it's really obvious if we bake the study and we give the another group of people serpent A5 and our community knows about serpent A5 because it's it's in higher concentrations in advanced meditators and that's the protein that stops the the kovi virus from entering the cell right the co cannot enter Because this this protein in inhibits

the receptor that cuts the spikes off so it's elevated so if you're in if you're in the second group and you get serpent A5 you think oh my God I got I'm the I got the real protein because everybody thought they got the real protein because many of them knew about serpent A5 but if you give them four fake ones four ones that don't exist and you bake them completely there's no protein there's no Gene and you have them intentionally signal those genes none of the the serpent a has no they have a zero effect

on the serpent A5 why because they're putting in a whole order they're not just putting in serpent A5 they're putting in serpent A5 plus the second one plus the third one plus the fourth one plus the fifth one and if the order is corrupt it's not going to make any of them that's how intelligent our autonomic nervous system is so without knowing the molecular structure of serpent A5 without knowing the molecular structure or the gene expression of endogenous interferon the intention somehow reaches the autonomic nervous system and it manufactures a pharmacy of chemicals equal to

that intention the possibilities are endless if you can get a person into the right State another very interesting study that points to just how powerful are thoughts and intentions and beliefs are was the robot and chick study very very fascina and just another example of how um in the study they show the power of uh the ability to change the direction of a robot that was controlled by a random number generator right I would love for you to share a little bit about that okay I'll share it on in two levels okay okay so um

there was a study done by this French researcher Renee p and what he did was he built the an arena and he built a random event generator and the random event generator um is programmed to randomly turn left or right like a zero or one it's going to turn right or left but it's not going to be right left right left right left right left it's going to randomly do it and the more you go right left right left right left or heads Tails heads tails the more you get 50% so he sets the random

event generator inside the arena and as you would expect it's going to cover pretty much the whole entire space he then hatches these baby chicks and baby chicks uh imprint right that's what they do so they imprint on this robot thinking it's their mother and so then he takes the baby chicks and he puts them in a cage outside of the arena and he turns on the random event generator and the baby chicks intention and the love and emotion that they felt for their mother caused the random V generator to turn 100% of the time

in the direction of the baby chicks now these baby chicks with a very very tiny teeny weeny little brain and teeny weeny little heart somehow had some type of influence on a programmed machine to behave more orderly and less randomly okay so in our work we say I mean just for the sake of simplicity everything's vibrating your thoughts are electric and your feelings your heart feelings are magnetic so if you can get the brain coherent you can send the very clear signal as an electrical charge into the field you get that heart turned on and

feel the emotion before it happens the heart is a magnetic field and we it's up it's measured it's you can measure it the more coherent the heart the more you have a strong magnetic field and that's what draws experiences to us so in our work we marry a clear intention and elevated emotion a coherent brain and a coherent heart and create a Wi-Fi signal and if there's a vibrational match between some possibility in the quantum field the frequency or information and your energy and you're creating beyond space and time from the field instead of from

matter and it's the field that creates matter is it possible when there's a vibrational match to draw that experience to you without having to do anything right so we use that as a teaching tool so that people can see then oh my God if a baby chick can do it I certainly can do it so that's one point and people do it all the time the other thing is we use random event generators during our coherence healings and there're sophisticated coin tosses and the machines that we have uh pretty much toss a coin about a

thousand times in a second so it's a lot of tosses for the whole event and when nobody's in the room there's a little Parabola like this when there's nobody in the room you see it go head Styles head styes but it's pretty much 50/50 okay when we do our in-person coherence healings where we're going to change the information in the field of the person who's laying there with some type of health condition 2,000 people in this case in different PODS of about six to eight people focusing intention and energy on one individual yeah with a

coherent brain and a coherent heart change the information in their field could it change the destiny of matter get a collective network of observers together with brain and heart coherence single-minded with one intention to give life to another's life to love another person into life get them together get get the tribe together to to bring life back into some of the members life something happens where you can't not open your heart so when we do those coherence healings the graphs are insan say there you know here we go like this all of a sudden the

group gets together and all of a sudden 11111111111111 just keeps going way outside of that Parabola somehow a collective network of observers with brain and heart coherence is causing a machine that's programmed to go zeros and ones all of a sudden to behave more orderly and that happens just about 100% of the time when we do those coherence healings so then we did further studies where we put several of them in the room and we took one and we insulated it in a faraday cage which is basically nickel and copper mostly copper but nickel too

and those are heavy metals that insulate electromagnetic frequencies you go to the Radiologists and they're going to x-ray your spine they may put a copper little something over your ovaries just to to diminish the absorption of radiation so when we when we wrapped it in Copper and nickel all the other machines behaved very orderly except the one that was wrapped so we know now on some level that the metal somehow insulated some type of electromagnetic energy heart being the magnetic field brain being the electrical signal in the field so we look at the last point

we look at the we were just looking at this data with h Stanford I'm sorry with a Harvard cardiologist and he there was just one fascinating fascinating um measurement where we had all these people wearing HRV measurements and beginning of the coherence healing everybody's heart coherent and then you see this dramatic drop in every one of the coherent healings where the heart becomes incoherent and he said can somebody tell me why it only happens during the coherent ceilings and never in the any other meditations they just kep more coherent it's because that moment there's an

arousal and that's the moment the entire Collective is now on the sympathetic nervous system switched on and it's moving enormous amounts of energy a lot of energy to the brain what happens afterwards is truly insane because when as I said earlier just like when people create after that coherence healing their heart energy and coherence goes up weeks later in other words they're not trying to feel love they feel love like and then the next question question is why would you stop doing it it's so much better than a football game it's so much better than

a shopping spree and you're and you're and you're helping people to heal and change and we've got unbelievable stories of people with stage four cancers and blindness and deafness and all kinds of spinal cord injuries you know muscular distrophy all kinds of ALS all kinds of crazy conditions where people were you know somehow renewed uh by the collective those group coherence healings are so fascinating to me and we beautiful to be a part of and I really felt the love that we give is the love that we receive and because that's who we are in

our tressence at least I feel and it's h man people had powerful experiences and I know this is this was your 50th year uh weekl long uh Retreat and um I got to meet a lot of people who have been going many times uh the vast majority were first timers that that went 75% 75% met a lot of incredible individuals Stephanie who got stage four lung cancer listens to this podcast met so many people who um who are communities have know theyself as well and people that have been studying your work for a long time

and have had immense Transformations and have had relatives that have had immense Transformations and it's just really beautiful to see the sincerity of the individuals on the path and their devotion to healing and man I just can only imagine there's so many different factors of what goes into the energetics of somebody going through one of these healings one giving themselves the permission to receive which maybe they never have had that much focused attention in their whole life of people genuinely just giving them love and a focus and then their capacity to receive that and then

the actual energetics of it uh is just so powerful and I'm excited to see the studies that continue to be done by you guys yeah we're doing we now we have group groups of people that do remote coherence healings I mean where the person is not even in the room there's 60 people focusing on a picture of a person and we did a study with PTSD uh a triple blind Placebo study if you can imagine that um where we used fake pictures and the group didn't know who they were healing or or what group which

was the Healy that was real or wasn't anyway at the end of the study a six- week intervention uh nine out of 10 people that were diagnosed with PTSD no longer had PTSD that works better than any pharmaceutical any treatment so we're working with autistic kids now and wow the changes that are taking place with these kids we're we're super excited so yeah we'll continue we're doing a study on cancer right now another aspect of the retreat that I found really beautiful were the walking meditations what has seeing men specifically getting into their heart hard

done for you yeah it's really really cool to see I mean well I was raised in a very ethnic very emotionally you know connected family I mean I was my uncles and my the men in my family were very affectionate with each other so um I think you know the program for men is to succeed and to compete and to accomplish and be the best or the first or the most or whatever that is you know it's part of our biology um and you can get really good at using that third Center uh to get

there um but I think when men really open their hearts it's really beautiful to see because uh there's this kind of childlike quality uh in this kind of freshness that happens and I and I and mean I I do my best in my life in the companies that I own to lead with my heart because I think that's the best actually in my life I think it's the best way uh for us to be the example so it takes a lot uh for men to figure that out you know because it goes so against the

program many of them and yet I've seen so many men heal uh when they do and the walking meditations are a great way to practice doing it with your eyes open I mean you got to start with your eyes closed so you're not distracted by your environment or the drives of your body or your schedule or [Music] whatever but you got to get so good at doing it with your your eyes closed you got to be able to do it with your eyes open that's the game this is the plane of demonstration if you're going

to heal yourself demonstrate it if you're going to heal another person you got to demonstrate it if you want to heal someone else at a remote location you got to demonstrate it right you got to have the experience what so so men who do open their hearts uh and boy I mean we have some uh some men who you know they didn't even want to come to the event you know their their wives drag them there and you know we're looking at their HRV measurements and not only are they in hard coherence but the amplitude

of energy in their heart is three times higher 200% higher than than most people that's that's not a lot that's not a little love that's a lot of love for a person to feel so we believe the heart is the creative center it's the union of opposites of polarity of Duality it's where wholeness begins I think it's where our Divinity starts it's a great place for us to practice feeling those emotions and it goes against in many cases the animal self and if you're living in survival living in stress is just not a time to

open your heart because that would mean You're vulnerable so teaching men how to do it and practicing doing that I think has benefits in so many wonderful ways I think also you know going back home the the important key is the the continuation of the practice right because if you have an enlightening experience and then go back into an environment that informs your old personality which then leads to that reality that is is your old self yeah seamless it happens seamless yeah you know I I want it to be an experiment Andre I don't I

you know I like I never use the words discipline you know this is a discipline you know I want it to be an experiment for people like if if if a victim is someone who's allowing their outer environment some person some circumstance some condition to literally affect and control the way they're feeling and the way they're thinking and you say why are you upset today well I am upset because of this person what you're saying is that person is actually influencing and controlling my feelings and my thoughts which makes us victim to the environment there's

nothing no judgment there it's just an what we call it the desire that I have is to see if you can change the way you think and feel with a coherent brain and coherent heart and see if you can produce those synchronicities so you believe more that you're the creator of your life and less of the victim of your life so the experiment is am I the creator of my life and do I believe that now if you believe that then it means you have to get up and create because if you're not being defined

by a vision of the future you're going to be left with the memories of the past and you're going to be predictable in your life super predictable in your life so then it takes time and practice in a constant revision of the model and understanding what you're doing it's so much easier to forget this information than to remember it so the experiment is okay let me do this for two weeks and let's see if I'm a Creator let's see if I start having these synchronicities these no said I'm not talking about a parking space you

know people will tell you oh yeah I'm good at creating parking spaces and oh my my roommate from college was going to kind just thought of him and he literally called me okay well you accept that but you can't accept that you could create something even greater right so so then so the creative process then is an investment in your future and if you're not if you're not waking up in the morning and being a Creator then more than likely you're going to be a victim to your life right so how do you believe in

that future more than you believe in your past you got to open that heart of yours and that emotion that you feel has you feel connected to that future right you you can't believe in that future if you're feeling the emotion of the past you'll believe in your past more right so so people who do the work in heal some of them you know that that you know do their meditations three times a day they tell me backstage and I say why and they're just like well because I started disbelieving again I started doubting that

I could do it and I and I just had to sit down and do it again and they would get up and believe in that future and a belief is just a thought you keep thinking over and over again until it's wired in your brain marry that belief with a very intensely strong emotion the stronger the emotion you feel the more you'll remember that belief and you're giving your body a taste of the future emotionally so they had to get up believing in their future more than they believed in their past and some people get

up from their meditations and they believe in their past more than their future and they didn't overcome themselves that's all that means the second thing that I found so fascinating is that when I interview people who truly do change in the chemo and the radiation and the surgeries and the drug trials and the diets and the gluten-free and the vegan and the organic and the whatever didn't work I mean nothing changes in our life until we change they were doing their meditations not to heal they were doing their meditations to change they figured if I

change then I'll heal now it's a totally different game because now you're out of the bleachers and you're on the playing field and you got to you got to watch your responses with your eyes open to everyone and everything one hour of meditation against 16 hours in your waking day where you feel coherent and great and the rest of the time you're you're insecure and you're competitive and you're frustrated and you're nervous and you're anxious no diet no exercise program no uh supplements no magic thing is going to keep you back in homeostasis if you're

emotionally out of balance you know all the time so people get really prudent in this work because they're they realize I got to keep changing if I'm going to keep healing and so that's when it becomes that's when it becomes uh more engaging for a person to believe in themselves and I think when you believe in yourself you're believing in a new possibility and when you believe in a new possibility you got to believe in yourself so getting up every day and getting Beyond I'm too tired I don't feel like it I'll do it later

I'm not very good at this I don't know what I'm doing you know all that stuff that people talk themselves out and and and then their disbelief in themselves becomes a habit and that's that's what we that's all we work on in a 7-Day event you just keep showing up for you keep showing up for you keep showing up for you keep doing getting beyond the last one going into the next one keep going keep going keep going sooner or later you're going to feel really worthy of whatever future you're creating you put your time

in you're not not in an entitled way not in like an arrogant you know self-important way like not like that just like you feel like hey I I I know it's going to happen so and I think the universe only gives us what we think we're worthy of receiving and so showing up for yourself uh becomes the a new habit instead of giving up on yourself you're describing what is the the Pinnacle or like the pivotal aspect of of this work is in the moment where we Face challenges where it's easy to regress back into

our old unconscious reactive self to step into a conscious Creator and choose the direction of who we're becoming we start to perceive our challenges differently right like when when something challenging that would push us back into how we used to act come in I feel like the switch in what you're describing here is you see it as an opportunity to to make a declaration of who you're becoming and so I would love for you to share anything on that but also in your own personal life when challenges arise as having your hand in so many

things incredibly like it's it's guarantee that at any given moment something's going wrong right you you really have to have deeper Mastery over this when there's so many opportunities to slip into unconscious I think we're all faced with great opportunities brilliantly disguised as impossible situations I believe that I love that and I think you know I have a friend who's a researcher at UC Santa Barbara my my son my youngest son loves him he says he's a cross between Einstein and Jerry Garcia he's just super cool guy super cool guy and they were they found

this window and the in the radial area here where you can measure resilience um to to and responses um that are that help the body or or weaken the body and the the differen differentiating factor that I found so unique and I go to breakfast with them typically once a month on the beach the differenti different differentiating factor is the person who sees what's in front of them as a challenge will strengthen their response the person who sees it as a problem actually the response to the environment is weakening the organism right so so the

problems that we face in our life are there and we've created from a certain level of Consciousness or unconsciousness and by not consciously changing them over time we agree with them until they become a problem right so we can't resolve that problem from the same level of Consciousness we have to go to a greater level of Consciousness now that means then if you keep thinking the same way about that problem and you keep feeling the same way about that problem and how you think and how you feel creates an energetic field your energy is actually

the same and nothing changes in your life until you change your energy and when you change your energy you change your life okay so if I'm going to go at this problem from the same level of Mind in same emotional response it's not going to change and if my emotion is causing me to put more of my attention on the problem it's entirely possible that I'm the the one that's keeping the problem the same now that's not a fun thing to admit so do I react in my life absolutely but the question is how long

are you going to react that's the real question right I mean if you keep it going on for a long period of time you'll go unconscious right so so I think it's valuable um to learn how to self-regulate so we don't return back to the same Collective consciousness that everybody else is feeling and thinking I think it's really great to um change your emotional state and learning how to shorten the refractory period of your emotional reactions I think self-regulation is a great way to do that and I also think that taking time and asking for

answers or tuning into a possibility that you haven't thought of is super powerful as well and to place your attention in a reality where the problem doesn't exist and we call that changing boxes so I use that particular meditation all the time because there's got to be a possibility in the quantum field uh where the problem doesn't exist right so so I work on regulating my emotional states sometimes I find it really valuable to gain information like somebody somewhere at some point had to face a a similar thing what did they do to get through

it right so information is a great way to build models of understanding give you some direction the person who's really sincere about reading that information will begin to rehearse mentally what they're going to do all right I got the information okay in this situation I'm going to try this and you kind of review it in your mind that's installing the hardware right like if uh my cooworker is going to say something triggering rehearsing how you want want to show up what would love do yeah like what would love do today how could I be with

her and see that she's just in pain like how can I just not react like every how she expects everybody to react I'm going to react differently I'm going to love her in that moment and you're going to have to practice that a few times in your mind right so the act of closing your eyes and mentally rehearsing what you're doing if you're truly present the brain doesn't know the difference between the real life experience and what you're imagining you're the brain's going to look like you've already did it so now you're priming the brain

you're installing the hardware for you to use when you get with your coworker and and then your response then and behaving equal to your intention produces a new experience and the new experience should produce a new emotion instead of you feeling resentful and judgmental you the end product is you feel more love for her and you're like oh my God I totally understand her and something changes as a result of it that's so so I don't know if there's ever an end to that so so the rehearsal process is taking the philosophical the theoretical knowledge

and information and think about how you're going to apply it how you going to personalize it how you going to use it how you going to initiate that knowledge so that you can have an experience and the experience then produces the emotion and now when we feel the emotion we're teaching our body chemically to understand what our mind is intellectually understood in other words the information is not just in the mind now the information is in the body right that realization like you said can be very uncomfortable when you're so identified in the somethingness of

a personality you live in relation to other beings with your distorted perception of them you don't actually get to connect with them which is a painful realization because you're not actually in intimacy with life and other you're in a distorted you have a distorted mental perversion of everything and everyone around you and um I just yeah I just find that refle you gave of viewing these as opportunities and mentally rehearsing uh is really empowering way for you to step into interacting and being intimate with life and other individuals uh in general and the more I

feel like as you're speaking this to this like it makes me feel like the more that you tap into that nothingness the experience of nothingness the more that when you're faced with challenging somethingness is yeah the less you are Avers or cling or need to control as much I think that's because in order for you to get get to that nothingness you got to get beyond your emotional body right so if you keep lowering the volume to some emotion you keep working with I don't know I'll make one up in patience and you're just and

your body's getting revved up and you're doing that for a little while now finally when you when you settle your body down and it goes you know the hardest part of every war is the last battle so it throws everything at you and you're like sorry I'm going to just sit to here until you're done when you kind of finally free yourself from that place it makes total sense that it's not in you anymore so you you walk out into your world and your response is like you see a part of yourself you used to

be in another person that you no longer are and you have nothing but compassion for them CU you see oh my God that person's suffering oh my God that person's just afraid I I know that cuz I used to be that right and but it's not like oh I res I resist or judge that person it's more like oh I get it like I get it so what's the value behind that I think mere neurons everybody wants to behave in a better way they just don't know how some people you know know what they want

to change and why they want to change they just don't know how to change right so we've spent many many years since 2011 you know doing the research to understand the neuroscience and the biology of change and um I think on some level um it's it the scci the science that we've created has become the language uh to to be inclusive for everybody one aspect that is making this more accessible to people is a new documentary which people can find out more um about at sourcethe film.org uh I saw it beautiful um congratulations it's really

awesome to to see the science that you guys have been working on for years starting to come out to the light in a really accessible format um so super well done sharing some of the stories as well of people in their in their periods of transformation um so people just can check that out Shameless plug right there um and uh just a couple last little things as we start to head towards wrapping up I think as you have been such a Pioneer and leader in these inperson immersive experiences with thousands of people for decades now

you start and I love the passion and and how you explain the phenomena that is emergence and how there's an intelligence that is bottom up rising from a collective group of individuals and beings and it seems as though this intelligence that has a structure to Consciousness is far vaster than anything in our analytical mind could conjure up and so thank God yeah seriously so what do you make of the phenomena that is emergence as Humanity starts to become more empowered and wake up to their true nature what do you feel like is being birthed through

US wow I mean this is game time I mean this is really game time and because everything around us that's challenging Us in so many ways it's so easy to fall into survival and to live in stress and when you're in survival and stress the only thing that matters is you so you see separation that is created amongst communities and as a side effect of that everybody looks different or is different than you and there's less trust and and and there's there's no emergence in fact there's everything but that there's a lot of competition and

there's a lot of need if you can get a group of people together and you can give them new information about themselves and Empower them to contemplate it to repeat it to understand it to learn it to wire it in their brain have them choose to do something with it uh give them the the the the conditions and the environment where they feel safe enough to try it out have them give them numerous opportunities to connect numerous opportunities to overcome themselves numerous opportunities to continuously believe in themselves and apply sooner or later they're going to

have the experience of what you're talking about right and the experience then as I said you embody the truth of it emotionally right that's the game that's the payoff right the emotional experience turns out that that emotion somehow the experience and the behavior and the choice is signaling Behavior dependent genes uh experience dependent genes and a whole host of other genes changes the body to look like the person literally in a different life so as I said the collective then when you people behave in the same way and and exposed to the same information they

evolve together and when you see the flock of birds the starlings or the school of fish there's no leader that's everybody that everybody is following that would that would that would be incidental that everybody is leading it's not a top- down phenomen it's a bottom up phenomenon which means in order for us to create a new Consciousness you're representation of the whole and if you change enough people you can change the world right so person by person if you want greatness and you want love and every single relationship that you should have in your life

should be a reflection of that intention and all of the sorrow all the pain goes away and a part of us must die then that is not love or anything that's not love in US must die and that's the difference between uh knowing the path and walking the path so get people out of survival and the body's no longer tormented by the addiction the side effect is called joy and the side effect of that is called self-love that's the absence of the addiction energy immediately moves into the heart and then you see a transcendental thing

occur amongst the collective and we now know that people change people so you had a collective group of people that's retreated from their lives and not seeing the same people going the same place doing the same things having the same experiences filling their brain with knowledge and information applying that information for seven days and there's an emerging Consciousness that's created that's reflect in every single study that we do and nobody's so special to be excluded 84% of the people in the collective we draw their blood they're Advanced meditators we put them in the presence of

any cancer cell and there is a diminishing of energetic function in the cancer cell 84% of the tribe has information in their blood that's a reflection of a greater level of wholeness like that is an emergent biology and and then get somebody on the stage you saw one I mean she had a brutal past I mean you can't tell me any longer your past is too brutal for you to change this person was attempted murdered when she was four years old she was molested by her stepfather she had everything happen to her you could possibly

imagine still tried to live her life worked out for 6 hours trying to get the panic attacks to go away 30 plus hours a week she timed herself in full-on panic mode night terrors no pharmaceutical no psychiatrist no drug no nothing no diet nothing was changing her she stands on the stage and she is the example of truth there's no she has no Suicidal Tendencies any longer she's a happy person she's free she doesn't have any panic attacks all our health condition went away she's talking and we're looking out in the audience and I'm looking

at 2,200 people in Cancun and everybody's leaning in everybody's looking at her because she's speaking the truth and there's somebody shining their light so someone else can shine she broke through a certain level of Consciousness or unconsciousness that said that this is the truth and invariably that person could overcome her past so many people were that were complaining about whatever it was if they were truly on the path they would be like oh my God if she can change I can change and just like a infection spreads amongst the community and creates disease all of

a sudden you see Wellness you see Health you see generosity you see all these wonderful things emerge in the collective and there's a footprint in Consciousness for someone else to step in and we've had five people at a week-long event step out of a wheelchair like I didn't plan that I was more surprised than anybody two two blind people at one event what about one blind person two people five people with reard syndrome like it just it just becomes infectious right so that's why I'm so so intentional with our youth Community I want them to

grow up I want them to grow up at our Vince and see that healing is normal I want that to be part of their belief like they've witnessed enough people heal from all cancers all kinds of things in bones and organs like I want them I want that to be their belief I want that to be normal for them so there are footprints in Consciousness and in a time right now of extremes and severe polarity it's so easy to default into survival and take for yourself and this is the time where we have to create

community that means then when everybody is in fear has the time to show courage when everybody's in that's the time to give when everybody else is throwing stones and judging that's a time to show compassion um and consideration And when everybody else is rushing and competing to get to the top that's the point to stand still and draw the experience to you and yes in the beginning it will feel unnatural but if you keep doing what feels unnatural sooner or later we become Supernatural and that's that's the game right and and so then you see

that in people when you walk into your life I want this work not to be about you or anybody telling people you need to be more emotionally intelligent need to open your heart you know I I don't want people to be philosophers I want them to say look I want to show you what happiness looks like I want to show you what greatness looks like I want to show you what abundance really looks like I there are people in our work that become super abundant of course they're going to give that's what abundant people do

they have more than they need right so so there is an emerging Consciousness that's taking place and for the the incredible number of crazy things at least from what I'm witnessing in the world that's going on there's some really wonderful things as well that that speak to hope you know that people actually are greater than they think more powerful than they know more unlimited than they can ever dream and all I offer people is my greatest understanding of the truth and numerous opportunities to experience it nothing more those numerous opportunities to experience it is so

profound in how it activates the light of awareness when people go back home into their daily lives and they encounter the darkness of unconsciousness and they become a candle flame they become the light that illuminates Darkness wherever they go and they become a part of that new Earth that's being birth yeah it's said many times that where there is no vision the people will perish and right now the vision and the um story and the Mythos of separation is propagated on a wide scale says that we are separate we are very IND individualistic and in

that understanding you have to be in the vibration of fear and what you are doing what um many people are waking up to is being a true leader in the new paradigm in the new story where this old outdated Paradigm of separation is dying out and a new one is being birthed but we're still in this time between stories where the old hasn't fully fell off and the new hasn't fully yet emerged but what a ride what a beautiful time to be born where we get to choose to be stewards of that new Earth and

New Dawn and um and and the last thing that I I would love for you to share on man is is the power of that enlightened leadership I feel like we are desperate for more conscious awakened leadership on the planet right now yeah I mean um well we'd have to talk about really some of the great qualities of leaders right I mean leaders are defined by a vision of the future that's inclusive to everyone like that has to do with prosperity and abundance and equality and learning and education and Ingenuity and inventions and solving the

problems of the world not for self-interest but because we're a species that lives on the world you know on this Earth and that somehow we there are solutions to everything so if you want to control people control their emotions and if you control their emotions you can control their attention I think it's time for us to wake up really and look past all of that and and see that there are better ways uh to do things and and uh leadership really should be leading from the heart because when you lead from the heart you consider

the whole that's what it is and when you consider the whole then that means you have to really start thinking about the feeling of what everybody will experience when we arrive at that vision and the feeling should be inclusive that there is evolution that there is growth and I think about this all the time you know because so many things are falling apart you know whether it's the economy whether it's political system whether it's journalism whether it's education uh whether it's the environment you know medicine you know everything looks like it's kind of kind of

coming apart at the seams and I think if the old is dying away we can't create the same thing uh again we have to we have to really do something much better and much different and I think it isn't it isn't necessary to try to fix the culture I think it's better to provide something better for people and people will naturally leave that um you know that kind of consensus reality and join another one and and and I think that I think you know I think this is a time where you can't you can't vandalize

and you can't steal and that's what that's what people do when they're in Survival we got to come together and say look we just gota we got to look out for each other in in a very different way it goes so against you know how we've been programmed biologically it seems as though the voices are here and they're multiplying rapidly and just like you shared it you know reminds me of Bucky Fuller's quote about not being able to um fight outdated systems but build new ones that make the old ones obsolete yeah I mean and

what a great time because I mean reality is not images and stimulation and for a lot of people it is I mean and so I think everybody has to get their head in the game like their head and their heart in the game here in 3D reality and and you know start showing the world really what love does or what greatness looks like or what nobility is or what honor and strength is it's in us uh it's just time to demonstrate get enough people to demonstrate it I think uh you can make big big changes

in the world the last thing I'd love for you to share is for the listeners that have made it to two almost and a half hours in this conversation clearly there there interested in what we're talking about here as we realize that a collective is made up of many different individuals and you're speaking to going on our own Awakening journey and we see our own purpose Dharma our puzzle that fits into the greater hole that is unique to us like a like a thumb print is unique to everybody we all have an expression of how

we can show up that is unique on this planet um any words of advice you have for people perhaps through the lens of how you've unlocked it in your own life to continue to cultivate our capacity to listen to that inner voice and intuition that's helping us Blossom and and discover that dharmic purpose to share with the world yeah you got to take time you got to take time for yourself I mean you cannot do it unless you sit in peace you know you have to be able to find a time where you set your

cell phone down you shut off your power down all your technology and you know you ask yourself like what do I know or you know have the contemplative process you know to start thinking about what you do know and what you want to understand better I think it's like it's so important for us to make time for ourselves uh to practice uh to practice and we're just we're just we're the the knowledge that we gain is the Forerunner to the experience and we just discovered the more people understand what they're doing and why um the

how gets easier so if you're on the journey fill your brain with information and knowledge information is power and it's self-empowering when it's about you right and then do something with it you know I was just talking to my son about this the other day I mean experience um knowledge without experience is philosophy you know the experience without knowledge is ignorance you know we got to marry the two in some way so to trust our intuition um we got to get out of our analytical mind and if it takes you two years to get there

it's worth it if if the heart re sets the Baseline for trauma in the brain then you got to stop got to stop feeling resentment and and learning how to start feeling love that means you got to make different chemicals and that's not something you may do overnight but if you understood like if I do some deep breathing and it slows my brain waves down and I know that if where I place my attention is where I place my energy I put my tension on the heart I can begin to awaken the center if I

can move out of survival and the sympathetic into the parasympathetic let me practice doing that the sign meaning to the ACT you'll produce an outcome I think people have become impatient because of you know they're so used to clicking on something in Amazon Prime and getting it you know the next day like that's not that's if you're really going to create reality in in an unconventional way um you got to practice you got to get practice getting Beyond yourself and I think knowledge is the the great um you know Catalyst uh for the experience so

if you're truly going to trust yourself and trust your intuition if you're truly going to find the place um to be kind and considerate and caring in your life um there's just a part of you that you're going to have to leave behind and and when when I interview people that do walking meditations that heal in one walk I always say to them what the heck happened to you and they say I just decided who I was going to leave behind it's the overcoming process that is the becoming process a person who who's sick who

has the belief that they only have a certain amount of time to live that's because somebody told them that and when they had the diagnosis and they felt the emotion it created created a long-term memory and that information made it all all the way in there okay okay so that's I got to change that belief wof I got to believe something else that's not that's not easy you know so it may be a good idea to watch testimonials on our website I know we have over 800 of them they're great stories they're not they're good

stories like and and start really going my God if she can do it I can do it okay that's the belief okay so now I got to stop thinking this way right because a thought over and over again is a belief I got to start thinking this way so with intention with attention I'm going to remember to think this way and I'm going to remember not to think this way okay all right the person who heals also says Okay um I can't act this way I can't behave this way I got to I got to

change my behavior so how do I want to behave this is fundamental this is not that hard rehearse it like we talked about behave that way the hard part is feeling the emotion your entire day the body wants to dra drop down into its most common denominator that doesn't mean you have to walk around as a fanatic you know you know being a positive thinker but the person who heals understands that if I feel this emotion and my body is so objective that it doesn't know the difference between the experience and the environment that's creating

that emotion and the emotion that I'm creating by thought alone and it's the environment that signals the gene I learned that the end product of the experience in the environment is the emotion if I feel this emotion could I signal genes ahead of the environment I'm going to intentionally signal the gene ahead of the environment when I feel that emotion turns out 100% of the people actually did it so why is that essential because information over and over again learning the information applying it practicing it getting into it getting beyond the I can't it's too

hard I want to quit that's going past that point is where the magic happens going past that point we've discovered is when the brain changes the most so you have to be your own life coach you know you have to be your own Master right and making time out of your busy day to be a Creator to overcome some aspect of yourself it is the overcoming process that's the becoming process the person who's sick who says uh I I don't feel like it I don't feel my body doesn't feel very well they do their meditations

anyway the person who says I'm doubting today they don't go I'm just they they overcome their doubt the person who says I'm God I'm living in so much fear because the doctor told me I'm going to die they they they surrender to love instead of fear that's what they're that's the overcoming process that they could say I'm too busy I got too many things to do I got kids I got job whatever they find the time so they make the time and that it's the overcoming that is the becoming process that that's the that's the

David versus Goliath uh aspect of ourselves takes an enormous amount of energy it takes an enormous amount of awareness but certainly everybody who's done that looks back at their disease or looks back at their problems and conditions in their life and so many of them say I would have never changed I would have never been this happy if I didn't have that disease that that was a catalyst for me become someone else so they're no longer victimized by their disease they they've M they they've overcome it and they're ready for their next experience Joe thank

you so much for sharing your wisdom and experience here on the no self podcast today you know the drive that we all have to know ourselves and the courage to be ourselves um and the the places for information like this and wisom for your like yours to to be to be shared is just I'm so grateful for it and um you know the the very last thing I I just would love for you to to to rip on if you if you'd like is this emergent conscious field that is is coming through us right in

our own individual process it's leading us somewhere as Earth 2.0 if you want to call it that is being revealed what does that look like for you what is your vision of the new Earth and how it expresses itself God I hope everybody realizes that Divine lives within them and everybody body is part of Oneness and we treat each other the way we want to be treated you know I mean I think that is so essential I mean to show up as the example in the world and so um I'm just a guy that's on

the journey that has a lot of questions that that loves loves the opportunity to evolve in in some way um but I want I want it to empower people I want people to be empowered by the idea that everybody is a Creator in their life everybody can come together and do it so so so the message of course is my God there's a Divine quality within every human being and the only way that you could see it is to become it thank you so much for sharing your becoming process with us and you're welcome and

uh just appreciate you and it's been lovely to get to know you more and more and um yeah man just last words for where people can uh find anything that you want to point them towards the website the doc anything else well the documentary you know just came out um you know and I and I I think it's a great balance between some of the science that we' we've discovered about you know human potential with you know peer-reviewed scientists that were as I said Skeptics in the beginning and some wonderful testimonials of people that have

actually healed themselves and heal healed their lives in some way and for a person who's new to this that's skeptical science uh does an an amazing job I had a one of our corporate trainers text me and she said my both of my brothers are Physicians my one brother is the leading robotics uh surgeon for kidneys he said he saw the documentary and he said I got to learn how to meditate I mean and you know I mean the science is that good so so so the documentary is a great way to just get an

exposure to like what we do at our weeklong events um there's plenty of resources like there's Progressive workshops that you know kind of our immersive online course uh there's the formula which is a little bit easier to to get through uh but just Dr Joe thepen docomo's too yeah incredible again thank you so much and thank you to your team who make a wild event feel seamless you know and Flawless when I know that's only born as a byproduct of a lot of attention to detail and hard work and uh just really really special and

and thank you for um the invitation to come out and experience it it was really really potent yeah I was so happy to see you out there I was so happy to see you in the audience so thanks for coming yeah I saw you on the beach on the Walking meditation I was watching you yeah all right well everybody thank you so much for tuning into this episode of the no myself podcast everywhere you guys can find the doc sourcethe film.org will be linked down in the description below thank you for doing the work thank

you for being on the journey and until next time be well h [Music]