Dr. Shawn Baker on Processed Foods, Food Addiction, and Carnivore Diet

and I went to those guys to the beef check off and I said he look we want to spend a little bit of money to do a study on beef versus diabetes because we know the results you're going to be then the people are going to they're going to go on an all meat diet or close to all meat diet their diabetes is going to go away it's it's simple and it takes all the confusion out because whenever you do you know you hear all these dietary studies it's like oh but he was eating hamburgers

and french fries and there's all this confounder so and it's like you can't really test it I'm like the perfect way to test if meat is healthy or not is to just put them on a damn carnivore diet and see what happens it's the only way to test if you do an epidemiology study and you don't account for sugar sugary drink Coca-Cola bread pasta lasagna that's exactly that's what Harford did recently they didn't account for sugar intake when they said beef causes diabetes like you got to be kidding me you're not even counting sugar that's

so crazy right but they but they get this published and this is really bad science you know and guys like uh John aniis who's a who's a one of the most cited scientists in the world has basically said all this epidemiology we're doing we're just wasting money it's not telling us anything it's all garbage but they keep doing it over and over again because they generate headlines you know the headlines I want but anyway back to this beef check off thing so I I I said hey look you know every year you award money you

know hundreds of th you know tens of millions of dollars to promote beef I said let's get a little bit of money to do a research study on diabetes and they literally said no we're not interested in doing that and I'm like you got to be kidding me the beef industry is taking a beating right now you know you you listen to it it's like um you know everybody wants to get rid of beef it's there the cow farts are boiling the oceans and uh you know it's going to kill you it's going to give

you cancer which all of it is largely nonsense and this is a you know in my view this type of study would clearly clearly demonstrate um that not only does beef not cause diabetes in fact I talked to the CEO of the ncba two years ago I sat down I presented in front of the California cattelan's Association and literally the president of Association stood up and said I went on a conver out and cured my diabetes it's like yeah it's clear and the guy said yeah I get it we're going to help you out we're

going to get this going I didn't hear I he nothing from these guys so what I think's going on is the USDA kind of oversees all these checkouts and they just kind of say look you can't say that because we want to promote you know because again they have all these processed food lobbies abisco and PepsiCo sitting on the you know they're on the board and they're like if we promote this one food and people stop eating all this processed food right then what are we going to do we're going to lose a lot of

money you think about it you know not that I'm advocating that everybody going to carnivore or die CU I don't think that's I don't think it's necessary from you know for for one but if you significantly cut back on all the people consuming all this garbage you know what what does that do economically to this country I mean you think about how much money is spent on garbage food the drugs that are needed to treat that you're talking I mean we spent four $4.3 trillion do a year on on healthc care in this country and

what do we get for it we got one of the sickest populations in the world our life expectancy is going down everybody's fat everybody's depressed everybody's on trucks you know it's crazy it is crazy and it's crazy that they don't look to diet as being the primary cause of that or if they do they look to these epidemiology studies that don't take into account exactly what you're eating with the meat why is it meat that's always demonized well I think for a number of reasons one if you go back to like dietetics in the beginning

like back in 1917 the American dietetics Association was formed this was formed literally by sth Day Adventist so that from the very very beginning the creation of the nutrition science field these seventh day Adventists who are you know religiously vegetarians you know you go back to uh like uh the Kellog's Brothers you know John Harvey Kellogg where he's out there you know uh circumcising females and saying we got we can't eat meat because it's going to make you have sex and make you have lust and masturbate this is all like this religious stuff and then

it got people don't know that but they they should know that that he developed this cereal this blend cereal to discourage masturbation which is one of the wildest Things I have ever heard yeah that guy was a wacko man he was in there dude he was giving himself like High Press enemas every day he was just like 20 gallons a minute enemas because he thought that was something he was a wacko he was a really nutty guy you read about some of hisu 20 gallon en it was some ridiculous like super high capacity like a

super soaker on steroids thing are enas bad for you cuz I've always wondered if your internal gut Flora is important and it is isn't that getting washed out I think to some degree it is I don't know that anybody's really looked at it from that angle but uh I you know I I think in some cases like you know some people's got some problems with constipation it could be helpful but I don't think it's generally a healthy practice for most I know there's people that are like like putting weird stuff up their butt man it's

just kind of it's like I think it probably feels good get flushed out it might but also makes you see everything come out of you I guess I've never done it but apparently there's a tube and they look at oh look here's your problems yeah it's kind of like these there's this thing these crazy vegans do where they um they they consume like uh like this charcoal and this jelly and stuff and they this kind of GRL mix and then it kind of like fills up their intestines and they poop it all out and they

say that's that's clearing out all my intestines I can't remember what they call it but it's like there's these crazy crazy videos where they're just pulling all this like gelatinous black stuff out of their butt but it's like you just ate all that stuff that's what's coming out of you it's not oh look all the toxins yeah exactly you just ate that stupid you just ate the same stocks people are obsessed with that term like releasing the toxins you know they they really think that that's what's happening when you sweat you get in the sauna

you're releasing the toxins like when you're sweating your body's regulating your heat temperature yeah that's what's going on you know what clears your toxins your liver yeah that's what that thing's for yeah liver kidneys yeah we got a pretty good detox system for sure you you don't need all the Smoothie juice fast detoxes you know it's like somebody people are detoxing when their teeth fall out they're detoxing their teeth well the the other thing is with with the smoothie thing is my God you're getting so much sugar and you're getting it in a weird form

yeah if you're in eating fruit smoothies you're getting you're getting sugar in a very unnatural form fruit juices we used to think that fruit juices are really good for you most doctors would agree that fruit juices are very high in sugar yeah and to get it in that sort of liquid dose where it just goes right into your bloodstream and your liver that's a lot of sugar man well you think about because Jo you like you're out hunting all the time you know you go when you go out and you're like if I had to

get food out here what would I what would I have available to to to eat I can tell you what you wouldn't you wouldn't have all this processed food but particularly like like powder you know like we make powdered sugar we make powdered flour and we we we combine them together but we've changed the nature of the food so much that it's interesting you know I saw Darius Ma zafari and who's a researcher at tough to he's a guy that put out the study that says uh was part of the study that said you know

like uh Lucky Charms are healthier than than eggs you saw that last year that's total BS right but one thing he did point out was that like over the last 20 years or so we haven't really been eating much more calories in we were like from the 1960s to about 2000 we ate more calories and maybe that explains why everybody got fat but since that time we really haven't eaten much more but we've eaten so much more Ultra processed food in fact right now the US diet is close to 70% Ultra processed which you think

about it's like crazy and our kids are getting fat but one thing that's interesting is like you know because you're talking about the microbiome right our our gut Flora um when you eat like Whole Food you know it goes farther down your digestive tract and then you know our microbiome actually consumes some up to up to 22% of our calories can be consumed by our by our microbiome but when you're just eating sugar it goes straight in you so those calories your gut microb doesn't get any of that so you're it's like you're absorbing more

calories so just by changing the quality of the food you're changing how many calories you absorb and that is what some people say is part of what leads to this obesity thing but we know like for instance Well here here's another thing the USDA came out with a study like I don't know 3 months ago 91% processed food diet is healthy you know this this is what they're pushing trying to trying to get us because they're trying to position us to say was this study this was USDA put it out it was probably I think

it was the Nova study I think I've got I might have that on there Jamie but um it's um it's basically because there's there's some there's starting to be backlash against Ultra processed fruits I mean like South America starting to ban the stuff which I think you know I'm not I'm not for Banning food I mean I think that gets into you know freedom of choice and things like that so you shouldn't B just like you can still smoke if you want to you know it's not the best for you so you don't want to

do that but at the same point you know they're saying like this stuff is there's a lot of backlash like people like myself and probably you and others just saying look this Ultra processed garbage is literally killing us it's making us crazy it's making us depressed all these people with mental health disorders uh a lot of that nutrition is part of that and we can talk talk about that but you know what they're seeing is there's a backlash against that yeah so that's a Nova Nova dietary guidelines meet Nova developing a menu for a healthy

dietary pattern using ultr processed food so they're basically saying Hey how do we make people eat more processed food and make it quote unquote healthy and they showed that they can make a diet that's like 91% ultra-processed foods and still be quote unquote healthy look what it says here it says the purpose of this proof of concept study was to determine the feasibility of building a menu that aligns with the recommendations for a healthy dietary pattern from the 2020 DGA and includes a over 80% what is that kcalories kilo calories from UPF ultr processed foods

as defined by Nova designed to accomplish this objective we first developed a list of foods that fit Nova criteria for UPF uh Ultra processed foods fit within a dietary patterns in the 2020 DGA and are common ly consumed by Americans we then use these foods to develop a SE what that what is that 7D what does that mean 7day 7 7day 7-Day 2,000 kilo calorie menu modeled on the my pyramid sample menus and assess this menu for nutrient content as well as for diet diet quality using the healthy eating index the results in the ultr

process DGA menu uh that was created 91% of the kilo calories were from ultr processed food or Nova category 4 the hii 2115 score was 86 out of a possible 100 points the sample menu did not achieve a perfect score due primarily to excess sodium and an insufficient amount of whole grains this menu provided adequate amounts of all macro and micronutrients except vitamin D vitamin E and choline conclusions healthy dietary patterns can include most of their energy from Ultra processed foods still receive a high diet quality score and contain adequate amounts of most macro and

micronutrients boy right so remember USDA the guys that go there they leave USDA and they go sit on on the board of directors at Nabisco and PepsiCo and so this is really I think what this is It's positioning us it's positioning us as a society to accept that Ultra processed foods are our food it's really human pet food I mean you see what happens to our pets yes and and everybody's fat so we're going to still eat we're going to say well it's still okay it's okay if you eat your you know your human dog

chow or your human Chow just keep keep doing that don't ask questions and oh by the way here's an asmic shot or semaglutide shot will semaglutide shot will give you to to kind of keep you chilled out so it's really I mean it's it's it's almost Sinister in a way it's very bizarre it's very bizarre that this isn't challenged and that shows you how captured our food industry really is the fact that that's not challenged the fact that our health guidelines aren't set on hey what you should be eating is what human beings are designed

to eat in nature yeah well I mean is real food I mean I you know my opinion on dietary guidelines because we have a USDA that meets every five years and by the way so USDA di dietary guidelines P did you see there's a physician from from Harvard named uh uh Fatima Stamford right and she went on 60 Minutes and said obesity has nothing to do with diet it has nothing to do with exercise it's all disease and genetic and there's nothing you can literally do and and really and she's also sponsored by Nova Nordisk

who makes OIC right and she's on there she's also a member of the US dietary guidelines panel so 95% of the people that sit on the US dietary guidelines panel today for this next one where they're going to come up for the 2025 guidelines all have Financial ties to processed food companies yeah which I mean you think about it's just like this is crazy so so wild so if you go to like Brazil like Brazil's dietary guidelines or at least the on they released a few years ago it was like here's what you should do

um cook at home don't eat processed foods and and eat with people around that that you love and that that's their literally that is their recommendation which I think is better than our guidelines because you know I mean if left to our own you know I mean we are now being told we got to eat all this garbage and it's just making us it's just making us sick it's crazy