Joe Rogan Experience #2244 - Ryan Graves

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day hello good to see you again nice to see you what is the latest in the world of Ryan like other than the fact you're about to have a child which congratulations on that but what uh we wanted you wanted to talk to me about this drone situation and I've become very very concerned I don't understand what's going on I think there's a bunch of different narratives some of them are very scary the scariest one that I've

heard is that their the drones are looking for gamma radiation because there's a missing nuke yeah let's address that first please so there has been a lot going on I I I made a a an next post about this yesterday to try to assuage some fears so I saw it but I purposely didn't read it cuz I wanted to I wanted to get it from you yeah so you know I've had the the privilege of interacting with a lot of government organizations over the past few years as I've been digging down this Rabbit Hole um

law enforcement at a federal level DOD executive branch legislative branch and some of the folks that I've come in contact with with they specifically work on Weapons of Mass destructions right so that's that's their job so if there's a loose nuke in United States among other agencies they would be some of the people that would be sitting in a skiff for 24 hours a day trying to figure figure out where it is and to go get it right so um you can imagine that would be their number one priority right so I engage with these

folks I asked them you know what's the sense here you know people are kind of starting to panic a little bit and this message is getting out there more and more broadly um and they assured me that's not the case that there is not a loose nuke or other type of weapon of mass destruction that these objects whatever they are are pursuing right now otherwise they would be working in a gift non-stop to make to make that go away that problem go away so you know that's part of why I have a a high confidence

level that this is not a response to a massive imminent you know weapons of mass destruction threat on the Eastern Seaboard uh so I I just want to try to dispel that rumor right now I've seen a lot of talk on that online uh and I don't you know although this is a you know I think a dangerous and and scary situation that's going on right now at least from that particular angle um that's not indications I'm receiving so how would they persuaded you just by saying that's not the case or have they given you

any information that leads to this conclusion like they would be the people actively working it essentially right so and they're not they're not working it right so the government is holding back that secret from the direct resources within the government that are responsible for finding these systems mhm or they're not working the issue because there isn't an issue there to work so the the thing that I heard was that it was a missing nuke from Ukraine and if that was the case they so what what could they do is is any is there any truth

to this idea that we have the type of drone capability that we could send these things out they would search for gamma radiation and they'd be able to find a nuke is that so there are teams that respond to those types of potential emergencies typically within the department of energy um having you know potentially hundreds of drones flying around trying to identify these isn't necessarily the best way gamma radiation is typically well shielded in weapons uh and at very high altitudes or even moderate altitudes like we're seeing these objects it would be pretty difficult to

detect them and the way that nist uh doe typically operates in this environment is groundbased teams searching for radiation itself so it's not necessarily consistent with how they would do it to begin with um and then based off of that other information that's what leads me to believe that's not not the case well that makes me feel better cuz I was freaking out this weekend I think a lot of people were yeah I got a couple but it's one of those things especially in this day and age with social media there's so many narratives that

get spread and retweeted and you know I know a guy who's an Insider and he says to get out of the east coast and you know head for Nevada or you know there's a lot of that [ __ ] going on um there's a lot of different versions of these drones and this is what's weird if if they weren't ours if they're not ours you would think that they could just track them and find out well where are they Landing who's got them uh how are they being used is it RFI like radio frequency is

it some sort of a different technology that's allowing them to Pilot these things like what is it yeah they'd be able to tune into that and figure it out right so how come no one's been arrested how come no one's been caught how come they they haven't you know tracked these things down to the source yeah so there's a lot of good questions there let me back up I by starting with the fact that this started about two years ago at least so but not like this a little bit like this really in this volume

not in this volume that's that's the differentiator right there but so Langley Air Force Base you might be familiar with the fact that they had drone incursions of an unknown type Unknown Origin last year right uh that happened during about a 2 and a half 3 we period right before Christmas right right where we are now MH that also happened the year before over langl unknown objects operating over the base um they couldn't tell where they were going they were unprepared for them same period of time two three weeks before Christmas this is year three

right um and they were expecting them to come again for third year in a row over Langley and there was you know some effort but forward to be able ble to better understand these when they came back uh and they did come back but they came back in a much wider swath right they now we have them all over New Jersey all the way up to Massachusetts and it's hard to tell exactly with the quality of the reporting right now because it seems to be you know the bigger this story gets the more people are

just looking up and seeing anything and pointing it out uh but you know there are reports from Texas to Florida to California Ohio Minnesota Pennsylvania I mean it's not just New Jersey itself it seems and even the uh right Patterson Air Force Base was shut down for drone incursion just this last Friday a couple days ago um so this isn't just a one-off event it it is in the sense that it's so large and so many people are paying attention to it but this has been occurring for at least three years around military bases and

that's not that's nothing to say with the incidents that we were seeing over the Eastern Seaboard uh in other training ranges that fighter fighter pilots were seeing as they were doing their operations so I'm a little hesitant to link it to that the full story that we've been having here and this full conversation but at least for 3 years this has been occurring so you know kind of getting back to your question you know why can't we do more about it um it's it's a hard problem I think for a number of reasons it's hard

but it's very solvable right I think this can be solved we can solve it um but right now kind of the word on the street is that these objects appear to be coming from over the ocean uh there's senior congressmen there's Coast Guard Personnel there's law enforcement they're seeing a large number of these come from somewhere Over the Ocean I I don't know if that means necessarily they're popping out of the water physically or if they're coming from some unknown location in the water and then proceeding over the coast I don't know how that relates

to Ohio that's a pretty long trip uh if they are coming over the ocean uh and from the videos I've seen and the conversation I've had they are detecting these objects um through kind of normal mechanisms like radar systems Optical camera systems um they are flying very low uh in some cases they seem to be operating as a group um in the vicinity of each other flying past each other flying very up close to each other and then proceeding to do whatever they are that they're doing um it's an unknown right now if they are

emitting energy or not so you know like radio communications or their own Maybe active sensor systems it's unknown I I've poked on that front and best I can tell the government doesn't know either so weird that they don't know that how would you feel if incognito mode came out with a yearend wrapped list would you be proud of that list and post it on social media probably not unless you were smart and used expressvpn see the problem is that incognito mode doesn't actually keep your browsing history confidential but with expressvpn 100% of your online activity

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at this point I'm I'm comfortable making a guess of probably over 800 or a thousand and how many of those are sightings of the same object how many of those are individual objects how many of those are unique objects that right so it's it's tough to say but this isn't just a few objects that people are seeing um and so I can imagine some technologies that will allow traditional uavs or drones to operate without emitting right so they could be um they could have a self-contained navigational system right maybe they have their own onboard maps

and they're using cameras to map where they are so then they would be completely autonomous you just send them out there and they would have a task and they would go through their whatever their task is and navigate VIA their GPS or whatever tracking system they're using exactly um and then you know what is their task right right is it just to instill panic and fear is it because they're sensing something uh and if they are sensing something they would have to be using what's called passive sensors all right so like a camera system is

passive but if you're shooting a you know a radar out and having to bounce off of something that's active right and that's easier to detect than a passive system so I could imagine you know a fully self-contained autonomous drone system that is doing something potentially with passive sensors that allows it to operate without emissions which is going to make it harder to track if they're doing it at night the if they do have passive systems like some sort of an optical system wouldn't that be hindered by the low light conditions or do we have stuff

that is able to detect whatever they're looking for at night yeah depends what they're looking for uh but ultimately there is Tech there's Electro Optical systems there's infrared camera systems not unlike the Jets that or the systems that we had on on my jet um but we were able to detect these objects with infrared when we were flying off the Eastern seab board there a number of reports from law enforcement that their infrared systems are not able to pick these objects up and not just this year but also uh the incidents over langly last year

the pilots that responded to that incidents I've spoken to them they weren't able to lock these up with their infrared systems either so they do seem to be exhibiting some type of uh signature management that's interesting so is the signature management some so is it a heat signature that they're giving off so maybe there's some sort of a cooling mechanism inside of these things like how if they have a propulsion system so you would imagine it's some sort of an electric engine right because a lot of them are very quiet that's got to be giving

off some kind of heat right yeah and that goes to some like very base physics right like we create heat whenever we have you know stored energy and we utilize it so to be able to to mitigate that to such a degree that you can't even detect them at all you know that's it's pretty tough I mean I can imagine you can you can reduce your signature we do it in fighter jets right through kind of just like baffles where we cover the engine essentially to make it harder to see but to have zero ability

to detect or lock onto these objects is not the technology I'm familiar with so other than that are they exhibiting any type of U movement that's extraordinary or the their ability to turn angles is is there anything about them that points to this being Superior technology you know it's tough to say based on what I've seen just in in the public from from reports and kind of amateur photographers and Witnesses some of them do seem to be making pretty sharp turns I wouldn't call them like physics breaking turns but they don't seem to be operating

like a normal aircraft right so they're down low they're making what appear to be pretty high G turns maybe like 3 four 5 G turns um at relatively low air speeds which is indicative of them having a pretty significant power supply right anytime you turn like that um you're burning energy essentially so for them to be able to make these HG Maneuvers and then remain in the area for another five or six or seven hours and still have the battery life or whatever's propelling them to then go over the ocean to a point where they're

untrackable again I I I'm not really familiar with that type of capability either I know they've shot at least one of them down or people have shot have you seen the video it looks like cops are shooting them down with shotguns in New Jersey I did see one video like that I wasn't sure how real it was I don't know it's really it seems I know because it's like hey man when you shoot up those bullets land somewhere you know they can land on people yeah yeah I've you know I've heard multiple people represented officials

saying like hey government needs to step in and start being more clear because people are just going to take matters their own hands that's where people get hurt well there's also been downed ones right I've heard rumors of down ones but I hav there's video footage and there's there's people driving in their car and cop cars are surrounding this thing that was a plane it was plane I think that was a plane crash oh yeah I think if that's the one you're referring to there happened to be like a small playing Crash can you find

that one Jamie y okay but again this is the problem with social media especially with someone like me who's just kind of scrolling for 5 minutes and go what the [ __ ] and then like you know my kids asked me something I got to get out of the house all right let me put my phone down you know so I'm I haven't done any kind of a deep dive and I did that purposely just to try to pick your a brain is this one yeah oh yeah that's definitely a plane yeah is that the

one yeah when when they were driving by they're like look it's a drone shot down that might be the one that I saw I did watch a video did you see the video of the plane that crashed in uh Texas I don't know pretty crazy I'll send you that but it's unrelated but get Elon must have like a special UAP task force within the community no Elon is look he's oddly Sly about this stuff he you know outwardly dismisses UFOs you know he said well if they're there they're very subtle that's I'm like might expect

that but okay but I just feel like with his contracts with NASA and being involved in SpaceX he can't talk crazy yeah he talks crazy so much about other stuff but when it's in this you know [ __ ] multi- multi-billion dollar company that he runs I don't think he can [ __ ] around yeah I don't think he can you know if it was something that he had no just no interest in at all in terms of like financial interest and business interest I'm sure he would be commenting on it but he's not commenting

on it at all which makes me go hm H you know and I don't think he's going to tell me I don't think I can call him up cuz I got a big mouth I think he knows I'll be here talking about a guy I know can't tell Jo yeah it's um the the thing that disturbs me not is not just that this is happening there's so many drones and all these people are seeing them it just it's happening for so long and nothing has been done there's no you know they're not scrambling Jets try

to meet these things and follow them and track them they're not shooting them down they're not it's just there's it we appear so vulnerable because of this because if these are ours or if these are people just [ __ ] around and it's not a threat okay great but why is it why is it so prevalent like why are there so many of them and why have why have there been nothing that these people that are trying to investigate this have been able to do that's effective to put a stop to this so there's there's

some laws in this country that are a little bit Antiquated when it comes to dealing with situations like this so my understanding is right now these things are operating mostly in what's called class G airspace which is really low it's away from airports not all of course right they're over bases so they're over lag Guardia yeah yeah but here here's here's I think where a lot of the troubles coming in from I think the government has to make the presumption at this point based off the feedback from the DOD and others that if this is

not a foreign adversary then we have to make the assumption that it's a US citizen that's operating these because of that they essentially need a warrant in order to wiretap these what yeah even with the Patriot Act that's the feedback I'm receiving that's the legal limitation come on they don't even need a warrant to get into my phone the [ __ ] out of here I don't buy that well whether it's the reality situation or not that's how they're proceeding right and so to overcome that you know there's like a 120 page report that needs

to be filed all the way up to the deputy Attorney General of the United States in order to even intercept these signals that they may or may not even be emitting to be able to determine where they're going and so I think that's one part of what's like slowing down this whole investigation on the other hand for base commanders they have limited authorities protect their base but when they do they need to submit basically a request all the way up to the Secretary of Defense all right so now you have this like super politically charged

situation with a lot of risk of objects flying over the us if they take action and shoot one of these down even with this the Secretary of defense's permission you know they're on the hook if that thing takes out a school bus or otherwise damages someone's property kill somebody yeah Jamie can you research can you just do a quick search have there been drones that have been shot down I was I didn't I haven't seen anything I was uh the there's a story from what days two days ago New Jersey lawmakers were having a press

conference asking if the government could shoot one down so they can inspect it so like I'm assuming they haven't shot one down if they're asking to shoot one down that that day you know I hear something new that I don't know if it's even worth bringing up but this is a new story going on they said this might be what some of this has to do with I don't even know if this missing radioactive yes material scroll up a little bit higher so I can see who put that up there oh there's a few people

that have posted it okay yes I did see that I did see that while looking at nuclear Regulatory Commission alerts one confirmed there's a radioactive material that has gone missing on December 2nd 2024 out of New Jersey I guess was being shipped there and it didn't make a container arrive damaged and empty well my understanding is these sightings started around November 18th yeah I saw the November 20th too so I don't know if that makes it related but so we should explain to people that didn't listen to our first podcast asked uh why you're uniquely

qualified to talk about this stuff uh could just please tell people your background so they understand what you used to do and yeah how you got involved in this whole UAP thing in the beginning yeah absolutely so uh formerly trained aerospace engineer in college uh joined the Navy immediately after with the hopes to go fly fighter jets uh for the Navy was successful in doing that and I I flew the F18 Super Hornet for 11 years and two deployments primarily operating off of Virginia Beach and um pretty pretty standard career uh until about 2013 or

so when we started to we came back from our deployment we began to upgrade our radar systems uh when that happened we we B in essentially a much more powerful radar into our jet it took about eight months so you'd have you know you might fly with a um a newer radar in the morning maybe an older radar at night and consistently when we were flying with these newer Radars we were picking up a bunch of objects that were operating in our working area that we weren't seeing with the older radar um they were performing

in strange ways they would be stationary they would be uh around 250 to 350 knots kind of Meandering around the area not really working together per se but kind of clearly operating in the same vicinity as one another right so we weren't flying in formations necessarily uh and we'd even see these supersonic as well 1.1 1.2 Mach uh typically heading East and we don't only see them over the water um we originally thought they were radar errors right some kind of software glitch but eventually we started to correlate these across other sensors such as our

IR Fleer system uh our missile systems would lock onto these and we would um we try to fly up to them to see them physically with our eyeballs and when we do that we wouldn't see anything we come within about 500 ft of these objects all our sensors are pumped into our helmet augmented reality style and it would tell us exactly where to look and boom we come right past this object and there'd be nothing there uh we'd Circle back around and then pick it back up on our sensors it would be slightly displaced but

um that was kind of status quo for a few weeks until we had a near miss with one of these objects right at the entrance to our working areas uh the pilot came back canceled the flight had a look of shock on his face and described as a dark gray or a black Cube inside of a clear sphere and once that happened we kind of had to come together as a squadron with the safety officer and our Squadron and say Hey you know like okay what's going on this has kind of been rumor and conjecture

but you know we almost had a near Miss year once Loston aircraft you know let's gather as much information as we can as it turned out there are four other near misses that had occurred in the past month that Pilots were too uncomfortable to even report um and that really kind of kicked off the seriousness of this issue for us and we started filing paperwork safety reports uh and hoping and expecting that this would get resolved in some way as you know the proper people whoever that was um got these report and they could mitigate

it in some way that never happened at least from our perspective so we essentially treated them as as safety issues we would avoid them we wouldn't fly close to them and then in 2015 we left to uh go go do what's called a uh predeployment workup cycle aboard the USS theater Roosevelt so we train like we play you get the whole airwing there 30 Jets 40 Jets and we're doing these very complex missions and there were a lot of objects down there as well uh they either followed us down there or they were already there

and um was there a lot of visual sightings of these objects or is it just equipment it's a lot of visual sightings um was it the same sort of thing a circle with a square inside of it or or solid spheres um some elongated spheres kind of more Tic Tac shape if you will um and during that workup cycle that's when we recorded what's now known as the Gimbal and go fast video um and they almost had to shut that entire exercise down because there were multiple near misses while we were trying to do this

this is this is a big deal if they cancel that training mission that means the people that are deployed have to be there longer they have to wait longer so there's a lot of Downstream effects so pretty big deal to even consider cancelling a training um a training um uh ex you know our training Mission like this so again we you know we filed it up we didn't know what else to do with it and we went back to our training left undeployment in 2017 uh a New York Times article came out I was now

an instructor pilot in Mississippi and for the Navy still and on you know front page of New York Times lo and behold there are the video that Gimbal and the go fast with the Pilot's audio on there that we've heard now and I'm like holy [ __ ] you know like this is still going on massive Deja Vu as you might imagine and um that I saw that as like a cry for help essentially that these videos now have been somewhat smuggled out they're on the front page New York Times and do we know how

the gimbal or the go fast videos got leaked my understanding is that work was done partially with Lou alzando and Chris melon um so there was two videos that were attached right so when you record the jet records two screens it records can we show those Jamie show those videos so it records these two screens right and the the bottom screen is like a God's eye view with all your radar data and the right one is your Fleer system and when you watch that in the briefing room after they're stitched together like side by side

and that you know that's what I saw and that's how I built my understanding of this this situation there it is so with the crosshairs um is that they're trying to lock in on it so now they've locked in on it right yeah they weren't able to gain a lock in their airto a mode so they actually had to degrade down to a air to surface mode kind of a manual locking mode and that's that box that you see what is the difference like uh the air to a mode should essentially be looking exactly where

the radar is dropping them off and should automatically lock on it but in the method that you're seeing here the Pilot's manually sing the sensor this is kind of like a last ditch effort to get it uh and he's like restarting it and that's why the box keeps getting bigger and it's it's getting smaller it's not capturing it what would be the difficulty like why is it difficult to lock on WE don't know um you know one theory is that is cuz it's relatively close to the ground and there's a lot of background right to

confuse the sensor but it's how far off the ocean is this supposed to be it's somewhere around 10,000 ft or so so it's really not that close um so it's really not a great explanation but yeah you see them try it there now what do they estimate the size of this thing to be I don't know if if anyone has estimated a size to be honest it's hard you know the from the Pilot's perspective they're not going to be able to make a real-time assessment of the size because how far above this thing are they

um well they're about they're about five miles away or so five miles yeah so you see that range 3.4 right there that range is coming strictly from the at Fleer sensor itself it's not a very reliable indicator of the range that's what the radar is for so although it says about 3.5 4.4 and then ticks down it's probably a little bit further San for RNG range so um the speed is is that on there anywhere of how fast is things going so you have uh 170 V subc right below the range uh and that's indicating

uh our re relative velocity and that's miles per hour or kilometers uh it should be knots so it's probably like 180 90 mph no heat signature well there is a heat differential anyway so right now we're in we're in white hot so objects that are white are hotter objects than the background I've used uh infrared Sun um uh binoculars before it's pretty cool you can see like raccoons and [ __ ] so that's showing us that it's it's cooler than the surrounding environment for whatever reason which is very bizarre for something that's moving 70 whatever

miles an hour yeah and it's I just to be clear the 170 doesn't represent it's like raw speed this is the gimbal video which is different yep um and this one does it show the speed of this no I don't think this is the one that rotates yes and when we're looking at this signature when we're looking at the does that represent something that's cooler than the outside area or or hotter like what ises that repres so this this one's black hot so this was this is showing us that it's hotter than the surrounding areas

right now and would this be similar to what you would see if you saw a jet that was flying no I mean we've seen thousands of aircraft like that but I mean in terms of the signature that it gives off with the temperature or would you be able to see a visible means of propulsion that would be uh accentuated yeah you would see the exhaust coming out of the back you'd be able to see the skin of of the aircraft itself so the sensor is not great but it's good enough where you can break out

some pretty good detail on a jet I mean it looks like a jet right well this definitely doesn't look like a jet you know it kind of looks like a flying saucer and then it turns sideways which is really weird um what do we is there anything on that that shows the speed the on the bottom left you see 242 knots that's how fast the aircraft that is recording is going uh the pilots do talk about how it's going 120 knots against the whim um and in my recollection it was going at a relatively slow

speed for a fight aircraft around 100 knots or so at those speeds uh from looking at the radar data itself so as far as you know we don't have anything that moves like that no and we don't have anything that gives off a signature like that no no and were they able to figure out where this is going or keep keep an eye on it or do we have sensors that can detect this for any length of time you would assume that the sensors on the ships themselves if they were looking there would be able

to detect these objects but we're not really linked into those people that are doing that on the boat the pilots essentially took this upon themselves to go investigate this and they reported to Intel when they came back and that's where I saw the tapes um whether they whether like the air traffic management guys in the on the boat themselves then took it upon themselves to go try to detect these objects I don't have that information I was never in that information stream but presumably they would is there a capability where so if a fighter jet

locks in on something like that is there an additional source of some sort of satellite that they can t Team into or tune into where they can give them the coordinates and say hey this is at this exact coordinate and it's moving at this speed can you guys lock into that no um not within the jet itself we can share the data amongst Jets so if you were flying out there and the aircraft that recorded that video was getting that on the radar that information be get would be getting sent to other jets in the

area there was a large training Mission going on and I'm not aware of anyone that you know was paying attention to those contacts that were say 50 Mi away from where they were doing this fight uh but it shouldn't have been just self-contained into the aircraft itself and additionally that information should have also been received by the ship itself right they should have access to that same information that's being sh that's what I was getting to like can the ship itself then lock in the coordinates with the satellite or do we have that kind of

capability we don't as Pilots we don't really get into the satellite game if you will you know that's kind of like a different level than how we operate so it's it's feasible that a ship might calling other National Assets to investigate but we operate as like a self-contained Expedition group so I don't know if that's part of their protocol so they wouldn't even refer to you or discuss it with you yeah did anybody discuss any of these things with you like when when you're talking about the safety hazard you know you've got this clear circle

with a black Square inside of it and they're flying in this very unusual way when you described it to people what's the feedback honestly most people just kind of looked off in the space really yeah like huh that's interesting that's [ __ ] weird yeah um did they give you the impression that this is not surprising only once so when we had the gimbal captured just real quick you know the Gimbal and the Goof fast happened within minutes of each other oh the gimbal two different things but they happen within minutes of each other yeah

or the goast there was multiple objects in a line formation called line of breast fly side by side four they're about a mile apart flying in formation doing what they're doing the pilots were looking at that had a hard time locking it and then they kind of brought their attention up to this other object that's basically co- altitude with them and that's the gimbal video and behind the gimbal there was a what they refer to as a fleet of objects about four to six objects that were flying in a formation like a tight formation all

within about a half or a mile and a half of each other in a you know like a V formation and so they come they turn they get all discombobulated and then they flow back out into a clean formation making a 180° turn and then the gimbal object which we see start to rotate that's the moment it actually changes direction right so it's proceeding behind this formation it turns the gimbal does its kind of you know its maneuver and then it starts trailing in the opposite direction so you got you know maybe 10 12 objects

that are out there operating in this area east of the ship we're already 300 miles out there and so where did they come from you know what are they doing are they are they assessing our fight are they uh enemy combatants you know it's it's you know for me this is the conversation that I've been trying to have for almost 10 years now about the seriousness of having these unknown objects in our airspace it's a security risk whether you know they come from Little Green Men or whether they come from our adversaries or if they

just remain unknown and that's kind of the state we're living in right now with what's happening over in New Jersey and elsewhere we're having this massive uncertainty about what these objects are there's a lot of rumors it's causing fear and panic and once again the Biden Administration and the Pentagon are unwilling to have a conversation with the American people and share what information they have why do you think that is if you had to speculate the biggest probability is they don't know right if this is something that you know they've been struggling with for all

these years and suddenly it's happening in a much larger capacity than it has in the past they're not easily able to write it off and they just don't have the answers or perhaps they do have the answers but they fall under a category of information much like these objects that they're not willing to have a public conversation about it what is the best footage of the New Jersey drones do we have why New Jersey by the way I don't know a lot of shipping uh also military base right outside of bell Labs there's military base

and like what else the proximity to New York City I guess New York DC you got I mean there's a lot of big cities right there right I'll pretty close um I've only seen a few interesting videos and we're in this new realm uh of uncertainty when it comes to Ai and it comes to computer generated images and video it's like I've seen so many I've seen me I've seen friend I've seen so much stuff that's not real I'm like okay I don't know what's real anymore it's like especially when it comes to something that's

kind of blurry it's in the sky and you got people on the ground I've seen so many fake ones MH you know there's just so many ones that people have generated you know I'm friends with Jeremy Corbell and Jeremy uh I always send him like what the [ __ ] is this you know I'll send some stuff to him is this [ __ ] and you know he's very good like we don't really know I'm very suspicious because of this this is what we know like let me send you some things that I know are

uh not fake but we don't still don't know what they are and see the difference and so we'll have these long conversations and text message or phone calls about stuff like that but no one seems to be able there's not like one person you can go to I mean you have your people that are dismissing everything they think it's just hobbyists and crazy people but if they're not giving off signatures like that are standard with these normal drones like these heat signatures and they're able to stay in the sky for hours and hours at a

time just that alone points to at least if it's not our adversaries if it's if it's domestic Superior technology that we're even aware of right now how I mean how are they staying in the sky for 5 hours like what is the if you got like a top of the food chain drone and who is it that is explaining to us the issue with uh why China has Superior drone technology has something to do with the FAA was it andreon I don't remember well well someone was explaining the reason why most of these like highend

Max might have actually been a green room conversation yeah I still remember what you're talking about now yeah so that the FAA and the rules and regulations have sort of stifled the development and uh the Improvement of these domestic drones yeah and so most of the hobbyist drones are coming from China and China if you haven't seen has [ __ ] incredible displays of drones yeah where they yeah where they do like a dragon in the sky It's amazing And it is because of regulations it's because of the FAA dragging their heels being incompetent or

at least being overwhelmed where this has not been able to progress domestically the way it's been able to do in China and so it's that alone seems like a giant security threat the fact that China has had just full integration with the government and been able to have this technological innovation that allows their drones to be like super powerful like what what they're able to do with these displays in the sky unbelievable like really w Stu to see that seems like many many leaps above what we can do and you know it the you know

the the faux firework displays that these things put on are just one part of the puzzle right because right Warfare is changing it's changing drastically and this is you know something I've tried to raise the alarm bells on before the Ukraine war but we're seeing it now you know Warfare is going to these highly mobile non-traditional platforms where you can have you know a group of guys that are you know basically teenagers now going out and conducting operations with these small drones and you know God forbid that an adversarial nation is now employing those Technologies

here in the United States and if it was Russia if it was China and they were doing it directly that'd be the equivalent of a declaration of war I mean they're essentially invading our Our Land right is there you know some Avenue where they might be hiring criminal gangs in some way to do this in order to create a level of um deniability for them I don't know but I'm certain that China nations are watching this unfold very carefully and detecting the gaps in our homeland defense systems right I mean this is this is a

major issue war is changing and there are a lot of companies that um you know within the private sector and of course within you know the normal you know defense contract the world that is building capabilities to be able to detect and mitigate drones whether it's kinetically or through electronic warfare but we're not employing those and oh by the way the electronic warfare measures that have been employed employed against the New Jersey drones have been ineffective so they have tried to take these out with non-kinetic options disabling their navigational systems otherwise trying to fry them

bring them down has not been effective that's not good no no that's very concerning so um is there any good footage that you could point to I don't even know where to look I've looked there's people on the news that have reported it but the one clip I was looking at they're just showing a plane so like that's not good i' I just found one but it looks like a guy in the woods I don't know what the video is you know yeah that's the problem I don't know when they took it I don't know

when they shot it they're saying it was last night but it it could could have been anything yeah it could be [ __ ] but this is part of the problem with this weird world that we're living in right now with uh fake information it's so difficult to figure out what the hell is going going on um did I send you that video Jamie of that guy in um where he's a CEO of a drone manufacturing company this is the guy that made me the most nervous I'll send it to you right now this guy

made me the most nervous because this guy is talking about how this uh whatever the hell this stuff is uh he believes it's looking for a nuke I'll send this to you Jamie to the thing you tweeted no okay did I I don't know maybe this guy CEO of drone Manufacturing Company who has government contracts but the people you're talking to don't say it's this so listen to what this guy's saying of Saxon Aerospace uh here in witto Kansas uh I'm not normally a Tik Tok kind of a guy I like watching the stuff every

every once in a while um but I'm a manufacturer of uh unmanned aircraft military grade UNM aircraft as you can see one of my systems here um there's all of these mysterious drones going on off the east coast and as a as a professional as a subject matter expert I wanted to give you all my opinion on what I think could be going on with these drones uh I don't particularly believe that these have a nefarious intent I I could be wrong but I want to give you the truth and what I believe as my

own opinion and I've not bounced this off of anybody so you know if you think it's [ __ ] whatever that's cool you know I I don't want to spread misinformation as we know that there's a lot of that going around but anyway uh back in the 1980s Ronald Reagan had dismantled the uh uh nuclear program and there were uh with Russia there were countless uh nuclear missiles that were that were disarmed and disposed of well there were over 80 I believe there were over 80 uh nuclear warheads that were in Ukraine that came up

missing okay uh we don't know where they are maybe somebody does but uh nobody really knows where these are and I you know I speak with some pretty high level government officials on this stuff and it seems as though that is the case [Music] um so I spoke to a gentleman a few months ago who was trying to raise an alarm to the highest levels of our government which they had their ears closed um about this one particular nuclear warhead that he physically put his hands on he physically touched this Warhead that was left over

from Ukraine and he knew that that thing was headed towards the United States okay um that is a very serious deal and everyone knows that the United States government this Administration is pushing to get into a war with Russia uh we all know that we all feel it we all see it okay we back up a few years do y all remember when those drones were mysteriously flying across the Interstate 70 corridor from Colorado up into Nebraska down here into Kansas and out into Missouri well it was believed that those drones were looking for radioactive

material because there had been some material that come up missing here in the United States and they felt like it was uh high probability that it would the nuclear or the radioactive material would be taken along the interstate 70 corridor heading east or west or south so I from what we understand they were out there trying to find this radioactive material now drones they have no reason to be in the air at night unless you're doing some type of ISR work intelligence surveillance reconnaissance you know looking for bad guys or looking for uh um a

victim a search and rescue victim or law enforcement or some type of military um project right there's no reason for a drone to be flying at night really okay because they don't see [ __ ] so you know unless you have thermal optics drones really don't see stuff you need to do mapping during the day if you're going to do farming stuff you mostly do it during the day the only reason why you would ever fly an aircraft an unmanned aircraft at night is if you're looking for something rather it be a person or trying

to smell gas we have methane gas detection detection systems um uh that can that can detect gas leaks and pipelines you really wouldn't use thermal optics for trying to find gas leaks just simply because the only way you're actually actually going to find a gas leak with thermal optics is if the gas leak is aggressive enough that it has a difference in temperature because radio uh thermal imaging it it creates a digital image based off the temperature variance so whatever is different in temperature it creates an image gas usually gas leaks so slow that it

goes quickly into ambient be you know before you can even see it so we have special sensors that can detect gas leaks we also have special sensors that can detect radioactive material so um with this gentleman that I had uh spoken with who was trying to raise the alarm to try to get somebody in the government to say hey we need to work together to go try to find this nuclear warhead none of that ever happened they knew that Warhead was on its way to the United States that's all that ever came of it nothing

ever happened this government did not do anything at all to help this gentleman raise the alarm and raise awareness that there is a very uh deadly weapon on its way to the United States keep going no well go ahead unless maybe he's got something else to say when I was looking this up we have six nuclear heads that we've lost the United States has one of them has been gone for like 71 years or something like that oh wonderful didn't know that wonderful yeah maybe they'll find him I mean there should probably a couple in

the bottom of the ocean somewhere someone's going to find yeah I'm sure they're sitting there I mean wasn't there like a Russian submarine that sank and they lied to us about it and wasn't that can neither confirm nor deny isn't that where that came from I'm not familiar is that yeah that was from a Radio Lab podcast the term neither can neither confirm nor deny was one of the those things where they had to answer a question but they didn't want to answer it so they said we can neither confirm nor deny that's the answer

and so that has become a way yeah the glomar response refers to covert CIA operation where ship named the Hughes glomar explorer was used to recover a sunken Soviet submarine when questioned about the operation the agency responded with can neither confirm nor deny implication when someone says can nether confirm nor deny they're essentially saying they cannot provide any information on the matter leaving the question unanswered so they answered it without answering it cuz they were compelled to answer and they said we can Nei confirm nor deny which is interesting because like if you're like in

a senate hearing and someone says something like that like like what do you now I know you're being sneaky what did you say what did you just say what do you mean you can Nei confirm nor deny shut the [ __ ] up with all those words you can't use all those words anymore you're being tricky so I want you to tell me what you know say it like that you know tell me what you know what do you know well I mean watching that video know I think there's a few pieces that are still

outstanding connections that are outstanding for me um a supposed US citizen physically touched a nuclear weapon that was then lost and he he knew exactly where it was going somehow why was he there why was he touching it why was he touching it was he why would you touch it was he amongst enemies and they were cting the weapon off he just got his fingers on it or I don't even like doing an right why is this [ __ ] touching nuclear warheads Jesus and then the jump is that that weapon eventually ended up somewhere

on the Eastern seab board and the people that would be responsible for investigating such an issue are not even aware of it even while somehow our government is flying hundreds of drones around to detect it so it's it's compelling it's interesting but I don't know if it connects I think there's a few connections short of being able to say that's exactly what's going on here especially after the conversation I've had yeah my other thought on that would be if you are a military contractor and you design and Implement drone systems how much do they tell

you about like foreign policy why would they tell you why would they tell you about those type of things if you did raise an like how much information would this guy be privy to yeah very little it' be very specific to his actual responsibilities his engineering work right whereas like I can call you and you you actually used to [ __ ] see these things it's kind of a different you know different connection to the information than this guy has and he seems nervous you know I mean and he should be he may truly believe

the beans he's saying a bunch of stuff that I don't think you're supposed to be saying anyway like why are you saying that like I I get if you really did believe that that you would want everyone to know that there's a nuclear warhead missing but MH the other thing that I keep hearing is that the government is not telling us that these are ours they are ours but not telling us that we are these are ours because whatever they're looking for would cause mass panic what's what's on the on the plate then after weapons

of mass destruction right um let me yeah what is on the plate I mean in my eyes nothing like that's it right that's that's the thing that everybody would really be worried about the second thing would be that our adversaries are using these things to enough information that it's like some Mass Wi-Fi router that's flying over cities and sucking up everybody's passwords um as we move into this new very bizarre realm of uh Ai and now Quantum Computing I had a conversation with someone last night was explaining to me how cryptography and encryption and all

this stuff is literally on the verge of being Obsolete and that this is going to put the financial markets into a chaos uh all of your passwords everybody body's email everything is out the window there's no more encryption it's not it's not even going to be possible these things are solving Mark andreon explained it this way that these quantum computers are solving equations that if you took every atom in the universe and converted it into computing power the time it would take to solve these equations would be longer than the the time that the Universe

would exist before it died of heat death Y and they're able to do it in minutes so the concept is and this is where it gets super weird that this is proof of the Multiverse because these computers are using the computing power of perhaps infinite parallel universes simultaneously to achieve these answers which is like what are you saying like what what the [ __ ] did you just say do did you just say that if you took every molecule in the universe and convert it into computing power it wouldn't be able to do this this

thing that you have in a [ __ ] Warehouse somewhere that this thing has more computational power in this it's like as big as this room than the [ __ ] Universe if it was a computer what are you saying like and you're saying this is the proof of the multivers like what does that even [ __ ] mean and what happens if China gets this online if if we're able to do these like equations right it's kind of almost like proof of concept of the technology being efficient or efficacious if they're able to do

that what if someone is more advanced than us and gets this connected to Ai and implements some sort of a strategy for complete global domination of power grids financial markets completely takes control of assets closes down government computers locks up databases deletes any information that's pertinent to who knows what power grid [ __ ] informational structures Like Satellites cell phones all our all all of our radio signal all shuts everything down just shuts it all down like we're [ __ ] helpless like most cars have computers in them most people don't even know this like

your car has a computer in it when you have a Chevy and you bring it into the dealership they plug it in to see what's going on and the computer and the like if something shuts those off no cars work everything's open at everything's [ __ ] the only you have old cars that's it everybody's like Cuba everyone's driving driving around these ancient part yeah I mean we we' basically have to go back to carburetors all the electronic fuel injection all that shit's done it's all done my understanding is runs on an ECU my understanding

is that this isn't this is something China's been looking forward to so what I mean by that is that they have not just been working on this technology in order to break our encryption now but have been storing our encrypted data from in the past such that when they do have that breakthrough they have a lot of data to be able to utilize it on not just what's happening now I know this is absolutely happening because my friend my friend Bobby owns uh the Cota the racetrack in town and when they had the Formula 1

race at the the at his racetrack they found these boxes that were connected to their this wi-fi system and these boxes were outside so their public Wi-Fi system had been compromised by these data sucking boxes and so they called in homeland security they had them removed the whole deal but like someone had gotten to the racetrack and physically connected these boxes to a public Wi-Fi system how many times is that going on where people don't notice it what how this is not the first time they've done it they picked a race in Austin yeah we're

g to get all those [ __ ] race fans suck up all their data it doesn't even make any sense right this is something that's probably been implemented before it's like what are they doing with that data I think they typically refer to that as a man inth middle attack so you think you're connecting to the regular Wi-Fi but you're actually connecting to the the adversary's Wi-Fi sending your data through there and then they send that to the original box that you thought you were communicating with and so they get all the information so all

your passwords anything you're sending yeah PayPal yeah that's how they try to crack the tour Network as well really if you're familiar with that yeah by setting up their own servers essentially to serve as a a man thee middle attack but you know back to your point about China trying to work on Quantum Computing on AI you know I think China is probably one of the biggest motivating factors that the government has right now for opening up the conversation on UAP right so we haven't had this peer threat that we have to worry about that

has a totally different investment government structure than we have right so in the United States we have this capitalist market and we have innovations that break out through that model like open AI but there are some capabilities where they are not appetizing to the market itself right for example uh how do we just suddenly stand up a chip fabrication facility in the United States that competes with the operations in Taiwan right it's something that a VC is going to invest in it's going to take billions and billions of dollars and it could fail exactly like

the Samsung one that they put here exactly well they did that because the government took a new approach they stepped in and said we're going to financially support this we're going to open up the piggy banks we're going to help with regulations and laws and we're going to make this happen as soon as practically possible that's the model that China uses all the time right they see something they go for it they invest the money they invest the resources there's a risk with that you could be be wrong about the eacy of the technology that

you're trying to push forward it could be strategically misaligned but if China is having the same issues with the UAP that we are having then you could imagine them putting a lot of resources into better understanding that situation in a way that we're just not equipped to do and the fact that they this conversation has grown more that their advancements have been getting better I think there is this pressure right now within the US government that if we do not further invest somehow bring in you know the primary Innovation makers within our economy within the

startup Community within the scientific Community into this problem if it's still just buried in a classified area then we're going to get out competed by China that is able to dump all these resources into it well how do you do that though if you're you're if these people that create these things are motivated by money right if they're motivated by profits if they run major corporations like how can you convince them to invest in something that is ultimately not going to pay off like it would if you were investing in a consumer product yeah I

think it can I mean we have a model for that United States with deep technology and EDG Edge technology you know these are capabilities that that don't fit into a normal VC's life cycle of five or six years before you're seeing returns it might take 10 years before you have a product right and there's a lot of risk that they could fail along the way but that's you know that's a that's where we get a lot of our major Innovations from that's where we see very exotic technology being worked on like Advanced propulsion communication systems

energy production and every one of these has huge potential added value to our economy I mean to the level that AI has right um so you know there's a couple ways you can go about it you know you can either create a new investment cycle or or structure that is more tolerant to the risk and more tolerant to uh extended time to returns which you know you got to fight M Market Force with that you could have the government step in perhaps through the office of strategic capital and others to be able to support Venture

capitalists that are looking to make investments in these longer term Technologies uh perhaps in concert with the National Science Foundation that does a lot of work in this area or you can try to structure your Technologies such that they provide value to existing capabilities during the research and development process so what I mean by that and you know this I've been working this problem for 10 years Joe like I've thrown my entire self into this I've approached it you know with my profit Americans for safe Aerospace I've been working in the private sector I've been

collaborating with government and others um and there is a path where the capabilities to better understand this topic are aligned with our defensive needs right if we had total situational awareness of our airspace that's a very valuable thing to the Department of Defense and those are contracts you can win those are reasonable Investments you can make through normal Market forces and then you keep working to be able to to use those existing products and those markets to bring out technology that is related to the UAP topic whether that be detection perhaps propulsion energy things of

that nature so you have to find these core technologies that the government wants that is also aligned with the better understanding of UAP now the way you're describing this sounds like it could be done but China's already done that so like how far behind the curve are we on the implementation of this techn techology well that it's an unknown how far China is you know there's there are some some rumors and I'm I'm not even going to mention them because they're too low confidence but there does come on I love a good low confidence rumor

just there does seem to be investment that's been made there are talk that they are having the same problems and perhaps have been better motivated than we are to investigate ones that they have been able to recover do you know about the anti-gravity lady that went missing went back to China ning yeah what what's your thoughts on that that type of Technology it's interesting you know I was mentioning this out front with some of the guys earlier there seems to be this these interesting technologies that were ones ridiculed back in the day whether it be

anti-gravity cold fusion others it's a good way to get rid of stuff ridicule it yeah they do what familiar with that that strategy uh lab leak they did it with a lot of stuff yeah exactly yeah um and they all just went dark for like 30 40 years but some of those capabilities seem to be popping back up in main mainstream scientific uh circles have you ever heard Eric Weinstein discuss this mhm he has some very [ __ ] you got to get that tin foil hat really tightly secured to your head but he believes

that this is one of the reasons why physics has sort of stalled over the last 20 years he thinks some of the best Minds have been moved into a project and that it very well might be something along these lines like something along some like super Advanced propulsion system Mark Anderson had the same conversation with the White House right talking about classifying AI technology and math and that they've done it before what is this Justin Trump says he's staying away from his New Jersey Golf Club amid the Drone sightings the government doesn't know what's happening

our military knows he says they know what's happening oh the government knows what's happening the the our military knows where they took off from they know where it came from and where it went something strange is going on play the video yeah sure let's hear government knows what is happening um look our military knows where they took off from if it's a garage they can go right into that garage they know where it came from and where it went and for some reason they don't want to comment and I think they'd be better off saying

what it is our military knows and our our president knows and for some reason they want to keep people in suspense I can't imagine it's the enemy because if it was the enemy they' blasted out even if they were late they' blasted uh something strange is going on for some reason they don't want to tell the people and they should because the people are really I mean they happen to be over Bedminster want another they're very they're very they're very close to Bedminster I think maybe I won't spend the weekend in Bedminster I've decided to

cancel my trip Intelligence on the Drone I don't want to comment on that two questions first that was it okay didn't want to comment on intelligence briefing we can figure this out Joe like I said like it's a hard problem but it's not an unsolvable problem like there are technologies that we could go out in the field within a couple weeks employ see if we can find the RF signals and try to trace them back right we don't have to rely on the government for us let's do it well how would we do it well

come join Americans for safe Aerospace what do I have to do come to my website safe aerospace.org we'll go out there go to that website let's see what we got to do we're almost the largest UAP organization in the world right now really and you know when we talk to people in Congress and the executive branch you know I point to them and say Hey you know we're 13, 588 people care about this issue right this allows us to be able to go in there and talk to seriously about this this conversation so Jamie sign

up put in your email there don't show the world your email though Jesus Christ people going to know they're going to know Jamie they're going to hear the amount of clicks that you make no one knows these [ __ ] they they're they're very clever we could get us to the largest UAP organization in the world right now in this in this show Joe well there you go now we're 13589 congratulations Jamie um so what would you do so now that you've joined what can you do we've been working with uh Dr operators oh boy

how what does your sub submit report inbox look like how many schizophrenics are in there well you know it's not it's not too bad honestly um really you occasionally get you know your people that are um questionable how do you separate the wheat from the shaft as it was it's pretty easy you know we focus on Commercial aviators military aviators and Veterans we received reports uh from the random person on the ground but what's really interesting because of the work we've been doing so many um people so many Pilots have felt more comfortable reporting every

major airline seeing this I've talked with pilots from every major airline some of them are standing up their own UAP working groups within their within their Airlines to be able to report on this I'm working closely with them on this but what's interesting is we get these reports from pilots and we can often then see similarities or even perhaps the exact same object that's being reported by people on the ground so one particular example over Atlanta airport a few years ago there was a relatively large object brightly lit about 8,000 ft over Atlanta four or

five commercial airliners called it in ATC didn't know what it was uh the object started to accelerate level due south and then to what I call like conventional speeds as fast as an airliner and then took off much faster continuing due south and all these Pilots witnessed it we received those reports and then the next day we received a report from you know a random lady in Florida that happened to be basically due south from Atlanta she took a picture of the object exact same object right so do do we have access to that photo

I do can we see it I don't have it I could I I could pull have that on your [ __ ] screen I'll text it to you wouldn't you have that Jamie wouldn't that be like your wallpaper I would have the I would have like py you know what Apple you could cycle from a bunch of wallpapers I'd put kids on when I get home but through the day top favorites yeah you can that to me if you have access I'd have my dog I'd have the UFO I might have to get in your

Wi-Fi but you know get back in the Wi-Fi we can we can like we can figure this out Joe like I talk with engineer scientists CEOs at drone companies counter drone companies like we can bring the capabilities we could be out there in two weeks detecting and tracking these objects what do you think about what Trump is saying though that they already do know and that they have tracked it but the the government just does not want to tell us what's that leave us then well that leaves us either an enemy or us right so

it either leaves us they're not concerned because this is some thing that they're doing with us what if they're trying to get us comfortable because they know that some real uaps are on the way like you want to go all the way out there if you really wanted to get people relaxed to the idea of flying saucers like like legitimate whatever the hell they are wherever the hell they're from if you wanted if you knew that was coming and you didn't want mass panic what would you do you would trickle it in you would trickle

it in slowly you have a bunch of drones hovering over cities for weeks and months at a time you would get people really accustom to the news cycle having uaps in it and then real ones show up it doesn't feel like a trickle right now though well you would do it this way it's a trickle for me I'm not seeing [ __ ] yeah okay I'm out here in Texas we were at the we were looking at the sky last night we went to the Mothership Christmas party no UFOs so it's a trickle in relatively

to the world right like you have a bunch of them hovering over New Jersey you have a few of them in San Diego you have them in different areas if you knew that uaps were coming and you were in the government and you said what what can we do well you'd probably bring in psychologist and they would these psychologists would explain human patterns of reacting to change in environments especially radical changes in Civilization and culture and like what can be done to mitigate the brutality of this process like the ultimate Mass freak out that's going

to come if UFOs come get people just so accustomed to UFO like the mask thing right sounds like a ridiculous comparison but like 5 years ago if people were around wearing masks you would go what is going on is that a what's happening here it would make you uncomfortable someone walked into a a bank with a mask on like what the [ __ ] are are you crazy now you have to do it it's this very strange so it it took a while but then it became normal yeah if they wanted to make it normal

that things are in the sky you put things in the sky you put a bunch of things in the sky and you don't explain it and you have them there all the time and you let people speculate and you put a lot of wild theories of maybe they're looking for a nuke oh they're looking for a nuke Bobby heard they're looking for a nuke Timmy got an email for not a nuke well it's probably not even it's probably our [ __ ] or or you know some unknown agency is involved in this the government's not

concerned because they know exactly what's happening that's why there's not shooting them down this is why they're not scrambling Jets this why they're not doing all these things Trump's asking why they're doing this thing if you knew something was coming if you knew that these things that you're seeing floating in the sky that are a clear circle with a black Square inside of it and they can hover at 120 knots completely still which doesn't make any sense no heat signature what is what the [ __ ] is that and what if a bunch of them

are coming well put a bunch of [ __ ] in the sky freak these dummies out that's what I would do I would get all of our best drones and just fly them around hover over cities hover over LaGuardia hover over the white house who gives a [ __ ] just get people weirded out and get them accustomed to UFOs you ever see District 9 you see that movie great movie right yeah really [ __ ] fun movie but it's kind of what would happen if aliens were here and there's like alien camps and we

had them we would just get used to it after a while we get used to [ __ ] the way we live is so entirely alien to people that lived just 200 years ago that if you brought someone from the pioneer days and you put him in a Tesla and then you drove him to the movie theater and then you took him to a concert like what the [ __ ] is going on it would and then you showed him your phone you're like I'm gonna FaceTime my mom look at that that's my mom what's

up Mom you know like it's crazy but we're accustomed to it we're so accustomed to it that people tell you to get off your phone hey get off your phone you're always on your phone live your life get off your phone you you're so connected to this bizarre our new world that we live in but it's accustomed we're accustomed to it it's normal it's completely normalized if I wanted to normalize the idea of us being invaded I just [ __ ] put stuff in the sky all the time fly around with experimental aircrafts do like

a a a low trajectory over a city and some new stealth bomber freak these [ __ ] people out get them used to being freaked out and then when the real ones come it's much less of a blow well some politicians just as soon as you yesterday uh Chuck Schumer Robert Garcia in the house they've started to kind of use the whole drone Andor UAP in their messaging right they started to change their language did you get that photo Jesse Jamie or Jamie sorry it's um pull it up young Jessie I sent it the wrong

guy maybe that's why we were talking about Jesse before that's why um you can air drop it to me that probably be the fastest way yeah it says it's waiting is it the Jamie MacBook Pro yeah I have two I'm looking at both of them I didn't get anything you want to just text it to me and I'll send it to him yeah okay that works too techn see even with this [ __ ] high level technology that we have they're shutting us down they're shutting us down bro yeah I was thinking that last night

I was like why does my Bluetooth keep skipping out when I'm trying to stream music but I realized the there was so many people connected to the Bluetooth and if you have that Spotify thing on where you uh you're sharing it's like uh I forget what it's called but like a bunch of people can contribute songs they can all like add to your little playlist while it's going on dangerous it [ __ ] yeah it's dangerous all of it's dangerous I'm I'm like that close to getting one of them crazy degoogle phones but I'm like

how's that even work they had a good one I get it I think you know Eric Prince apparently has a good one he's got something called the unplugged phone it actually has a physical uh button you can switch where it deactivates the battery as well like separates like a little piece of plastic goes between where the battery connects and so your cuz even if you shut your phone off they can still listen you MH like that sounds so crazy but it is absolutely true and you can't take your battery out of your phone anymore you

know it's like a convenient thing in order to make it waterproof sorry your battery and then it's also it's like planned obsolescence so your battery's going to die you're going to need an iPhone 17 Ryan come on way they can sell new ones got a new Zoom feature come on you need this in your life you need this new Zoom feature you need that extra 50,000 megapixels or whatever the [ __ ] it is you know it's just um I don't know there I think privacy is kind of gone and I think it's going to

be super gone with these quantum computers it's it's over MH like there's no privacy and I think the real problem is the financial Market it's all numbers right it's all just ones and zeros yeah if somebody control that before we do if somebody breaks through with this type of technology and then just shuts all the other ones off like how many Bitcoin to the rescue maybe I don't even know what doesn't Bitcoin get compromised Google says it's breakthrough Quantum chip can't break modern Crypt sh like they said it like this no we can't even can't

even can't even break any of your codes the willow chip is not capable of breaking modern cryptography go well listen I don't believe that first of all and second of all my real concern is this is one step in this we are about to go off of a technological Cliff this is this is one step chat GPT was one step they're about to do chat GPT 5 which is magnitudes greater power than chat gbt it's it's supposed to be like a giant leap chat okay and that ain't [ __ ] that ain't [ __ ]

compared AGI which they think 2025 so artificial general intelligence and then connected to a quantum computer and Google is literally talking about they have plans to put their own nuclear power plants to power their AI systems it needs so much power they want three nuclear power plants that's wild what are you about to do like what are you doing you [ __ ] Eggheads what are you doing are you guys making God like what the [ __ ] are you doing do you even know what you're doing I've seen this movie I swear it hasn't

even made yet and the problem is if you don't do it our anime is going to do it and we're so shitty at communicating with other human beings all across the world and we've been stealing resources and overthrowing governments for so long that nobody trusts us and then while all that's going on we're in the middle of creating an artificial intelligence that's infinitely smarter than us and might be working in parallel universes like if if you can if you can do an equation and you're telling me that this equation through these quantum computers is proof

of a Multiverse like what happens if AGI gets connected to the Multiverse like what do you even know are you just doing it do you even know you guys even do you have do can you tell me what's the best case scenario What's worst case scenario can you tell me like what you've thought about or instead of just [ __ ] all gas no brakes and everyone's all gas no brakes we're all [ __ ] hot roders on the highway headed towards this weird thing that no one really knows what it's going to be but

everyone agrees it's the greatest technological breakthrough the human race has ever experienced and it's happening so fast and most people like what what's going on what are they doing over there most people if they're not listening to podcast they're not on Twitter every day and they're not on you know Facebook and they're not really paying attention to this stuff most people are like blissfully unaware we're about to awaken a God yeah blissfully unaware we're about to connect to some insane technology that hasn't even been it's it's so insane that it's sort of like one of

those things where somebody tries to tell you how many stars there are in the universe you what like can't comprehend it your head goes what does that mean like what what's the number what like when they were saying that it can do uh it can compute something that all the world's supercomputers it would take some septian number of years to do then it can do it in 15 minutes like what are you even saying I don't even know what you just said I I know that's I I can if you told me how many zeros

to write I could probably keep doing it until I got to the right amount of zeros I don't know what the [ __ ] that means my brain's my brain's good for like 150 500 people those three that looks like about 3,000 people I was at the the Formula 1 racetrack I'm like how many people are in this was seeing Eminem like how many people are here I took a guess like 50,000 I don't know it's 110,000 oh it was like I was rough by 50,000 my brain doesn't understand numbers yeah and then you get

to Millions imagine like looking at a group of people oh that's about two million no you can't do it you can recognize like 150 people look about 150 people when things get big they just get too weird and the universe is insanely big insanely big so your brain just doesn't do it it just everybody's brain even the the most you Neel to Grass Tyson you get a get an astrophysicist get one of those guys they're not going to be able to the brain's not built for it so this thing is so much more powerful than

even that even the whole universe as a Compu as a computer like that doesn't even make sense and they're just like what are we doing we have ai we have Quantum we have mysterious objects showing up on the on the coast it does seem like a lot of things converging right now well if if I was an advanced civilization that had already passed this stage maybe this is like a common stage maybe this is just like how bees all over the world make beehives they all do the same thing right maybe this is a strange

stage that intelligent life gets to when it reaches a point of technological sophistication where it can create an artificial version of a thinking being and then that thinking being of course creates infinitely better versions of itself and figures out a way to harness power in a way that's just we can't even comprehend which is what a quantum computer connected to AGI would be able to do maybe that's like maybe they know that this happens and they're like oh it's about to happen and so then they they come like wasn't there a meeting some sort of

a there was another good tinfoil hat one I was like oo what are they talking about there was some super top secret meeting with the people from the James web telescope because of something they had discovered there was some thing that they had seen that they decided and I don't know what that means you know if you really wanted to get terrified You' say oh my God an asteroid's coming and it might be that or it might be there's some new thing that sort of rewrites the the date of the beginning of the Big Bang

which is they're kind of starting to talk about doing that now they're trying to there's some people that want to push the creation of the universe back to about like 22 billion years instead of like 13 Point whatever it is now who cares why keep that secret you know that's not going to freak people out but well that's I'm just being charitable I'm saying like or there's something out there or there's something that they know is headed our way you know it is I mean it is possible we're doing it we send things to Mars

right and if we know that we're going through this thing right now we're we're about to create a AGI we're about to implement Quantum Computing in this country who knows what they're doing in other countries if this is just like a thing that beings go through and we get past this and then we find another planet out there that's also like dropping nuclear bombs on it we would probably start circling that planet and making sure they don't [ __ ] the whole thing up I mean it just seems like to be you it's probably insanely

difficult to get intelligent life to the position that we're in right now in a volatile universe that's subject to natural disasters asteroid impacts super volcanoes earthquakes tsunamis all different things that can wipe out technology and bring it back to the caveman days you know if all that is known and this is going on all throughout the Universe it would probably be in their best interest to to sort of protect this investment in evolution and not have a knock back to the Stone Age and have to start all over again and not not let have us

nuke ourselves to the point there was like 13 of us left you know well outside of outside of you know us nuking ourselves what what do you think that the Trump Administration oncoming Trump Administration should do about the UAP topic thought about that yes I have um he couldn't tell me anything I tried to get it out of him he wasn't he wouldn't tell me [ __ ] he basically you know I've seen some things I know some things um transparency I think is very important I think to peel the [ __ ] Band-Aid off

tell us what you're doing tell us what you know and if you can't I have to think that it's a a military intelligence thing like you don't want the enemy to know what you're capable of which I totally understand you know that's what's going on and that's why they can't tell us that actually makes sense but if it's not that and it's that we are experiencing contact on a regular basis with something that we can't explain or understand you you don't you don't have the right to that you don't have the right to that information

that's not yours to that's the human races like people love to have [ __ ] super top secrets that no one else can know and you're in the in but you can't have that one you can't have that one if you're telling me that you have to do it because we've developed some sort of a gravity propulsion system that's infinitely Superior to anything the Soviet Union has or the Russia has or China has fine that's not my business I'm not in the business of the military and National Security if that's why you can't tell us

I totally understand but if you are in contact with [ __ ] aliens and you know they exist you know there's something that visits us whether it's From Another Dimension or whether it's from another planet that's not yours that's not yours to tell you can't treat us like [ __ ] babies like we can't handle this if you actually have recovered a crashed UFO look I understand the implications of National Security if you're trying to back engineer that thing I understand that if you're saying like we have to get to this if China gets to

this this is a game changer we're [ __ ] I get it anything else you have to tell us because it doesn't make any sense that you some unelected official who some guy who's working in coordination with rathon or whatever the [ __ ] you're doing you can't keep that [ __ ] secret that's the world's information you you know that should be a crime this is something the human race needs to know we need to know if it's [ __ ] we need to know look again if it's our stuff and we can't say

anything about it because we can't let China know that we have that and we did huddle up these [ __ ] physicists in some obscure college and we did create some wild [ __ ] that the rest of the world is not really ready for or doesn't understand yeah maybe we're way ahead of the curve in that other than that you go to [ __ ] tell us you got to tell us what the [ __ ] is going on I agree with you and how is it happening like back in 2004 this is where

it gets squirly where it gets squir is like in 2004 we didn't even have a [ __ ] iPhone okay so in 2004 everybody had flip phones you were the [ __ ] if you had a Motorola Razor you were living in the future you know so that's not it's not feasible that you would have something that moves like the Tic Tac in 2004 that's not feasible that doesn't make any sense to me that you have something that can go from 50,000 ft above sea level to 50 in a second what like what what is

what what's it made out of that it doesn't disintegrate like what what is that how fast is that what the [ __ ] does that even mean that's space you you go from space to the surface of the water in a second no how it's equivalent of multiple nuclear bombs going off in energy expenditure how is that possible in 2004 like that doesn't even make any sense to me so if it's not ours and if it's not some back engineer stuff then what's going on you know I think there's there's two conversations that kind of

go on in this topic right there's and I think they both help each other out so there's and you've been talking about right now they don't have the right to keep these essential pieces of Knowledge from us about our universe right and I see that as the conversation around disclosure right what does the government know what are they going to reveal to us uh and we can integrate it into our knowledge but I think there's an as important side of the conversation called Discovery if you will right but what can we learn in the public

sphere outside of the classification window that allows us to understand what's going on outside of the Reign and control of the government itself and I feel like they're mutually supportive right the more disclosure and conversation there is within government the more that people are motivated on the outside to investigate this and research it and invest into it and the more that that work is done it it pressures the disclosure side of the conversation to keep up with the conversation and share with it now I don't know if we're going to get to a a point

of full disclosure like you just talked about without increased pressure on the Discovery side on the public side because I think they would be content to keep that information quiet I don't know if Trump would be content to do that you know and I don't know if Tulsi would be content to do that either you know if she's going to be she's what the Director of National Intelligence if she's confirmed yeah if she's confirmed I have a feeling she he's going to tell people but here's the thing it's like what we were talking about before

if it is a national security issue and [ __ ] how is it not right like if Bob Lazar is telling the truth right let's go to the the wackiest of the wacky ones right because Bob story I don't mean because Bob's wacky I mean because it's 1989 okay so we're in the 80s right cars suck [ __ ] you know fighter jets of the 1980s imagine like the fighter jets that you flew in comparison to a fighter jet from like 19 83 yeah no internet really to speak of even back then yeah there was

like a few computers connected right by physical cords or something probably but that time period we did not have what he was describing if what he was describing is accurate and then when you see that gimbal footage that thing is moving exactly the way he described it where he said it's built like your classic flying that's actually an image of it right there that that little model that we have um this that's what he described so that this is 1989 he's saying that this thing when it would fly it would turn sideways it would turn

like 90° and that's where it would whatever the [ __ ] kind of generator that's inside of it it would point it in a general direction it wanted to go that's what the gimbal did the gimbal turned in that way and what he's describing in this reactor is some sort of an element and it's Element 115 and this whatever whoever has created this thing is a stable version of this element and when it's blasted with radiation it creates some sort of a warp in SpaceTime and in some way whether it's gravity or whatever it does

it folds time and it just shoots off at insane rates of speed but the things inside of it I would imagine aren't experiencing gForce the way it does the traditional propulsion system it's the only way a biological thing could survive right but then I'm thinking why would it even be a biological if it's so much more advanced in us we're already creating artificial limbs we're already creating artificial eyes we're already putting neural links into people and we're [ __ ] Apes we're apes and we're like chill a [ __ ] hole and stick some wires

in there let's see what we can do Timmy you know now Timmy can [ __ ] use his eyeballs like we had the the Noah guy was in there was the first um ever neuralink and he his name's Noah right Noland nol Noland Noland sorry Noland cool guy I just have too many names in my head no disrespect but he has a his he can uses eyeballs like a cursor like he can he's he says like an Aimbot when he's playing video games so he plays video games better than people that can use use their

hands cuz he can like he shoots like exactly where he's looking at which is nuts so how how many years have to pass think about from like 2004 no iPhone to today what we've got and meta virtual reality sets how many years have to pass before it's more effective to go through the world being completely integrated into like a an artificial creation not much not much where we're cyborgs not much where the well why would you want regular eyes you your kid has regular eyes that's crazy get them the new eyes they have infrared radar

they can detect gases you can move away you know it's like safety it's better for you you see better you never go blind when they go bad they replace them everybody would just get the fake guys it's just like a jet right I mean fighter jets they us still be barreling around out there looking for objects looking for targets but you know we're able to integrate and update all the technology that allows us to interact with the world it's not put right into our brain yet although they are working on that so maybe those things

are what happens when technology and biology integrate over a long period of time and they probably have eliminated all of of our primate desires and weirdness that makes progress problematic know greed and envy and trying to steal from resources from other countries and invasions and tri behavior and manipulation propaganda and lying they probably can all read mine so there's no more lying and they they're they've no need for physical muscles that's why they look like these little [ __ ] spindly things it kind of makes sense like that that's where Evolution and Technology if they

merged that's what it would look like it would look like some weird [ __ ] thing where they all look the same so nobody gives a [ __ ] and they control one of the things Lazar said these things have no switches buttons or there's no controls inside of them so he thinks they're controlling them with their minds yeah with their intention perhaps their mind is integrated and you know we think about that like that sounds so crazy but how much crazier is that than typing things with your thumb it's not that much crazier than

what you can do by FaceTiming someone like sending video it's not that crazy it's not that crazy that your brain could eventually integrate completely with technology excuse me and if you're a cyborg um then you have to worry about all the biological issues that we deal with all the cancer and [ __ ] pollutants you don't have to worry about any of that [ __ ] and then you're inside this ship that you're completely connected to and you can move it in any way you want might as well be your body at that point it

might as well be your body and that's probably the future that's probably the future here on Earth even if we don't [ __ ] this up you know there's some we talked about China a little bit and you know some theoretical ways they might be investing in these deeper Technologies but you know I've spoken with people that are intimately involved in deep technology at the National Science foundations and others and what brought them into this conversation realize that we were falling behind on these capabilities because they attended a international Consortium uh with uh believe it

or not there were several members of of from China there and they very specifically were asking for collaboration in some of these very deep Technologies so you know we talked about how uh you know gravity manipulation right kind of went dark for a while well they they call it something slightly different now and it's something that China and others are actively researching they call it extended electrodynamics same thing with cold what is the difference between saying gravity and extended electrod Dynamics yeah so Electro extended electrodynamics electrodynamics essentially is a series of equations that we utilize

to understand the electromagnetic spectrum but there's like a large portion of those equations that we kind of just throw out because we don't utilize them in our our normal engineering and scientific work and so they're they're there they're part of the equation but we really don't know how to use them yet and people are starting to think that by integrating a full the full understanding of electrodynamics through extended electrodynamics that there are gravitational effects that pop out that we can utilize for technology whoa and they're actively researching that actively asking for collaboration on that from

China same thing with with cold Fus and there's that lady that tuck off that's what she was working on yeah yeah tell her story cuz it's a crazy one well I I might not know it as full as you do but there have been number of instances within the United States where people have been trying to do uh work to manipulate gravity through large concentrations of energy electr uh electromagnetic effects things of that nature and very recently I forget the year I don't know if you have that information Jamie but um I think it was

2013 or around that time frame where she had kind of a breakout paper which she was claiming was utilizing some older techniques and she was able to modify the mass of an object essentially the force of gravity upon it um my understanding is that paper went out and then she essentially disappeared for a number of months like a year or two uh it's like a movie yeah and last I heard that she was um potentially either still missing or there was some evidence that she might have gone to China I thought she died I thought

she went to China and then come back and died did she come back and die she died she did die yeah conveni or did she work in the vault somewhere with masks now they just like maybe she was the tall Biden she died remember was the tall Biden remember that guy she died in 21 she get struck by a car in 2014 caused permanent brain damage resulted in Alzheimer's and then died in 21 wow was Hillary Clinton driving that car I was waiting for him to be like yes well there's another tech too um cold

fusion right another 50 60 topic that was ridicu went away well it's also now the the talk of certain Fusion communities instead they call it low energy nuclear reactions right instead of having a large fision or fusion reaction where a lot of heat and radi ation comes out you do it slowly and incrementally and it releases a lot of a lot of energy but it doesn't have accompanying radiation or super high levels of like random heat that comes out and that's now something that very serious scientists within the fusion Community are studying and another technology

that um the China representative at that at that conference was asking for collaboration on so are we investing in this is this work that we're doing in a dark lab because the open source community is doesn't have the resources to be able to invest in this well let me ask you this so if you were the government let's just say they you know if you were them and you wanted to work on some very very Advanced if you had some knowledge that this stuff was possible but you couldn't put it in the private sector because

then it would get pilfered it would get you get infiltrated by Chinese spies which happens all the time right wouldn't you hide it away wouldn't you scroll away somewhere like if you're doing the right thing if you're being intelligent about it wouldn't if I wouldn't it essentially can't be public because it is in the interest of National Security because it's such a big deal like if they develop a propulsion system that is completely reliant on gravity and they figure out like they're bending time just flying places instantaneously if that's the future of space travel like

whoever gets there first that's a big [ __ ] deal that's a really big deal and that can't be out there in the public where China could steal the data or Russia could steal the data Iran could steal the F you can't have anybody get a hold of this well here's the thing if we're the sole superpower in the world then I think it makes sense for us to hold that information back and develop it on our Pace because we're not worried about competitors they're going to catch up to us and potentially Leap Frog us

but when we're operating in a world where we have near peer or peer adversaries such as China that do have the ability to potentially work on the same technology that's where the model break down a bit right because if we're artificially slowing our progress in order to maintain the secrecy and someone is catching up to us our only real solution that point is to activate you know the millions of super smart and motivated people in our country to start pushing ourselves ahead L we get leap frogged by countries that can do that through their own

private investment such as China M that's a very very very good point because wouldn't it be awesome if we were the only superpower and then we could just like slowly get into this stuff and maybe that's what's been happening for the past you know 20 30 years after the Cold War that's where that's where this whole Area 51 S4 [ __ ] comes into play because you have to think that if this is happening this is around the time of the collapse of the Soviet Union right so this is like we had a good 30

years see what we could do relaxed have you ever seen talk about it yeah I met him once what did you think I mean it's a type of story that you know you only have your own beliefs to go off of because you know because it's so crazy it's so crazy and it's you know it's one of those stories where there's it's basically impossible to validate it um so you know like a lot of the stories I hear you know I often don't have all this evidence that I can I can work from so I

you know I throw it in the in the database in my head and I look for comparisons right just like the gimbal video and how it Maneuvers like well that's interesting that kind of lines up doesn't totally validate the story but you know that's kind of how I approach this topic I don't I I'm not there to like immediately judge whether it's true or not true it's just kind of additional information I can use just like that photo I sent you right that just some random lady in her backyard that photo uh but as it

turns out multiple pilots and commercial airliners saw the same thing so it you know so this is the one that the commercial airlines saw that was flying at about the same speed as a plane and then took off yep it was completely stationary and accelerated to the speed of a plane and then went way faster than that and what year was this again I think it was 22 wow so this lady got a picture of it that's actually a picture from the pilot in the cockpit that looks like a plane yeah I have the one

for the lady too it looks the same except from the ground but the same but doesn't look like a plane to you doesn't it look like a plane Jamie you can't tell I don't know doesn't it look like the front like the nose I mean I'm looking at big foot through the woods right now so it's one of those things like look you can see his face looks like off the window maybe even bro that's a cloud that lady's tripping that lady's tripping um the thing is like air traffic control didn't have it on their

radar unless you have a really good phone like uh if you have a Samsung that that gets like that 100x Zoom how much you going to be able to see yeah that's why you know with these cases in New Jersey what's most compelling for me are these like they're not the images themselves but it's these elect elected officials you know law enforcement officers and others that are like very flabergasted at what they saw right they're not just like well yeah there's something but I mean they're they're pissed off they're very confident what they were seeing

was not normal they're having a hard time putting words to it and having a a proper photo but as you can tell now I think it's it's not easy to just put your iPhone up in the sky and grab a photo of something that's far away right they're not designed for that they they're not designed for that they don't look that clean you know and even um I mean the best vones if you're if something's flying through the sky you're going to get a shitty blurry image of it like you you need some very high-powered

equipment to be able to zoom and then you need image stabilization to be able to lock it into place you know there's so much like AI on on phones that interact with your photo before you even see it it's hard to even tell what you're looking at yeah well that was the thing with the Samsung phones they got in trouble because they were taking photos of the Moon it wasn't really a photo of the Moon did you see how that got figured out no you can't slip things by the Nerds right they're too [ __

] smart and so these guys were kind of suspicious of whether or not this thing was actually taking a photo and zooming in and getting the photo of the Moon so they put a a blurry photo of the Moon on a screen uh and then steep to the back end of the room and zoomed in on the blurry photo that's on the screen and it filled it in with like high resolution and showed you all the craters and like oh it's [ __ ] and so they're trying to say it's AI but it's not you're

not enhancing the image you're creating it there's no image there like we know what the image is the image is a blurry [ __ ] and you turn it into a clear photo of the Moon so this is Shenanigans well let me let me tell you I think what needs to happen here to be able to better understand the situation right and this I think this applies for New Jersey but also applies for the much broader kind of UAP conversation as well so you know I told you about Discovery I told you about disclosure you

know I think we can only motivate the government so much by just knocking on the door and asking for information there needs to be a public unclassified scientific investigation into this from the perspective of trying to attack it as a scientific anomaly right instead of trying to attack it from a request from the government to release new information so I I mean I think this should be a national priority frankly right we need to have very senior people within the White House that care about this topic that are leading the charge perhaps at the office

of Science and Technology policy somewhere at that level that can lead this conversation and start to employ different organizations in a public unclassified manner such as Department of energy uh such as the FBI and other reporting sources so that we can be able to gather this information investigate it and then form theories about how we can detect it whether that be through Nexrad data United States whether it be through weather satellites other large data sets that we can use to detect these disturbances and work with the Department of energy to be able to put forward

scientific ideas and then utilize your compute resources to be able to process and churn through all this data and see what pops out on the other side and I think that we can bring in organizations such as a National Science Foundation or national science science Council we can bring in yeah National Science Foundation excuse me we can bring in offices such as the office of strategic capital and start to actually support the the public interest into this conversation by having people that now can access these large data sets and these large compute to be able

to run experiments to bring forward new data sets and Technologies and have this be like a true National effort at a high level right I I don't think that the current structure of the all demain anomaly resolution office within the Pentagon serving as a whole of government uh point is going to be effective especially considering that they are technically charged with investigating potential Crimes of the Pentagon itself right conflict of interests there so this needs to be raised to a much higher level and we have the resource in the United States to to truly study

this and I think by doing that we can then you know potentially confirm what what is being discovered through this unclassified method with classified sensors but leave it so that it's repeatable and unclassified so that the science ific and academic Community can see the results of that and work off of it would there be an issue um with you would have to provide amnesty to the people that could potentially ad lied in these programs so like if you if you've diverted funding if you've you know not been completely honest to Congress about where the funding

is going and you you've had some sort of a back engineering program or whatever they have would there be like Criminal liabilities would there be issues where a bunch of these people could get prosecuted potentially yeah so that would if I was them I would you know I'd keep hiding in like [ __ ] this I don't want to go to jail but if you wanted to get full disclosure it seemed like the only way to effectively make it happen would be to give amnesty to the people that had committed these crimes so it become

a it become a real dilemma if they were actually crimes there could be another way to approach it so thing especially after the last hearings we've heard is that there needs to be stronger whistleblower protection laws right maybe you've heard that I've updated my thinking on that I've done a lot of research on whistleblower protection laws in the United States and it's actually quite interesting you know we've had whistleblowers from the executive branch whistleblow to the legislative branch in the past we had the church committee we've had thousands of people that have come forward and

shared classified information with Congress outside the bounds of uh the executive order that allows for the creation of classified information none of them have been ever prosecuted now they may have faced ramifications such as a loss for security clearance they may have lost their job right those are real risk and I don't want to downplay them but the the way the system is currently set up there's an executive order that allows for the creation of classified information you have the National Security Act that was created in Congress and signed by the president and these these

are the two laws that essentially allow for the creation of that type of information so when a whistleblower goes to Congress and shares that information the Congress people are just as susceptible and vulnerable perhaps to having unclass or having classified information that they're not privy to right so they're they're in legal Jeopardy in a sense for there to be prosecutions in Congress or from the whistleblowers themselves the Supreme Court would have to step in and adjudicate that ruling between that executive order and the National Security Act and that's never happened they don't want to step

in on that legislation and they've had you know I don't know how many years but decades and opportunities to do so but they choose not to so we're in this kind of stalemate where by by action by inaction whistleblowers have this unspoken protection if you will to come in and share that information L the Supreme Court step in and and change their their precedent for the past several decades so there's no reason that any of these potentially susceptible whistleblowers that do fear legal ramifications for those activities couldn't come in to Congress set up a very

quiet meeting share what they have with these Congress people and allow them to then run with that information clearly away from any personal identification from that whistleblower that's the world we live in now right we don't have whistleblowers doing that and I think some of the messaging has been inaccurate claiming that we need to have strong whistleblower protection laws cuz that's not probably not going to happen um I don't think Trump wants strong stronger whistleblower protections I don't think he wants to enable people that would be calling out actions of the executive branch to Congress

strengthened um that's not necessarily aligned with some of the activities that happened with Colonel vinman and the Ukraine incident where they essentially utilize those whistleblower laws to share information with Congress about what they perceived as wrongdoings right so I don't see those STW law is getting stronger but we're in this kind of weird false dichotomy right now where people are asking for them and not willing to come forward but ultimately I think we just need someone to step up to the plate and come forward to congress with this information to be able to move the

conversation forward on the disclosure side so what you're saying to me what it sounds like is like you're you're almost like uh advocating for a complete restructuring of how the information gets disclosed instead of the way they're doing it now like someone come in and sort it out like you why don't you do it I would if I was asked I bet you'd be asked I hope you'll be asked I should say because I think you're uniquely qualified and obviously like very invested in this like you wouldn't want someone who's not invested in this leading

this this is a super complicated nuanced rabbit hole that you have to go down and you have to like be balancing out all the possibilities in your head at the same time while you're trying to get this information out and whatever you guys experienced whatever those things were um if that isn't ours we should probably know yeah we should probably know and I don't know what it is I don't know if it is ours I don't I mean I I get that if it is you can't tell me I get that but if it's not

what's going on what do you think it is like if you had a guess some of it's got to be ours right in like the broader conversation or specifically New Jersey well broader yeah it's clear to me based off of all my research and connections and conversations a couple things one people are absolutely seeing things that seem to be exhibiting capabilities Beyond state-ofthe-art like boom and of conversation right there this one that you sent me I mean that's that's an interesting one yeah I mean multiple Witnesses seeing capabilities of of craft operating in Flight regimes

that we don't have the technology to do so that's step one step two is I've been a lot like a blind man touching an elephant um you know I don't know necessarily it's an elephant yet but I'm feeling a tail feeling a trunk feeling the foot and what that what that elephant represents is the government's classified work on this topic right I've buted up against it through people that have been actively engaged in programs that are investigating this in ways that are not public so I know that there is something there behind the scenes I

don't know how deep it goes I don't know specifically the type of like the total amount of work that's being done it's very clear to me that there are boundaries that I've touched others I've touched that represent that work so it would make sense it would be a line that the government would be very interested in this technology and I think it's you know I think it's time that we've we've put the proper protocols and processes in place so that the public can discover this information we have the technology Joe like this the it's not

that we don't have the technology I mean I'm personally working on Space situation awareness censors that we can put in space in order to maintain custody of these objects now if no one has ever gone full disclosure no president how much do you think they tell them and what if anything could you even imagine would be a valid reason for not telling people I think that there was probably a presidential order at some point in the past that is likely still in effect and you know unless another president is fully read in and countermands that

order then it's business as usual and perhaps that's one of the reasons they don't tell presidents a lot of information on this is because they want to maintain the that effect of authority keep it in play so that another president doesn't countermand it yeah because none of them Spill the Beans none of them none of them feel obligated to tell the American public you know I think I I I can see both ways though that's the problem I can see it from a point of a national security thing if if if they're back engineering these

things and trying to if there's a race it's essentially no different than if we engineered oursel like at the end someone's making it and we might have integrated some of these capabilities into some of our technology that we might look out the window and see right but deep in the bowels of the system you know there might be capabilities that were discovered or motivated through the investigation of these objects right so I could see why there I I agree with you 100% right and I I don't believe that 100% of the information should come out

you know I mean I've worked in secured information I've worked in the military I understand the needs for these capabilities but the core information that we're not alone in the universe potentially there's no government on Earth that has the right to hold that information agreed I think everybody agrees to that there's there's no reason why they should that's human information and it's if if we really really if we're really confronted by an absolute fact that we're not alone it changes everything we kind of know it but we're not sure and we haven't seen it and

if you have seen it you don't know what you saw and what is that think about how that would motivate us as a populace right to have this Care on a stick out to say here's here's how we access the rest of the Galaxy yeah right imagine what that would do to our technological innovation how many millions of kids right now would go to school in order to be engineers and scientists to be able to work on this oh yeah it would completely change the world maybe we'd have you know less Facebook apps and things

of that n nature and AI rappers but we would be working on deep important technology that's going to unlock the rest of the universe to us or would give in to our alien overlords CU they're coming and they're going to be super powerful and every civiliz ation that we've ever encountered that was primitive always had a terrible go of it once we showed up well maybe we'd be better prepared well I I would hope they wouldn't be us that they would be past what look human beings today is you know especially if you follow like

Steph pinker's work where you look at crime and violence throughout history human beings today live in the safest environment that's ever existed for people relatively overall despite of all of our problems it's trending in a way of more peace but if you think about no PE I mean no violence at all none ever just like a complete like complete shut off of everything that's what you would have to be if you were a civilization that's eclipsing all the problems that we have here on Earth that's bypassing all the war all the [ __ ] the

destroying the environment the in you know inequality and the allocation of resources and the control of the populace like if just that's all out the window window with this super super sophisticated Society I think that is that would should motivate us like probably more than anything to get our [ __ ] together to realize like oh this is possible like this is this is the trajectory that these intelligent species go through on their road to Evolution their road to Enlightenment and they bypass this terrible stage that we're at right now where we're worried that these

drones are searching for nuclear bombs because someone might decide to do some sort of a terrorist thing because you know there's Wars going on over the that if we could just know that that's you can get past that it's like we're in a phase where our technological development is outpacing our our social and moral development or in our biological development just like you can only think of so many number like a number of so many things you can't think of all the stars I don't think our biology can keep up with the input of all

this technology I think we're getting numb we're getting weird weirdly numb to it you know and I think it's just so it's so inescapable in today's society that if you want to be integrated into today's society you have to have one of those goddamn phones you have to be connected like we're we're moving in this very particular direction and it seems like if we get through this chaos what these things that we're visiting that are visiting us all the the things that people describe of teleconnect telekinetic communication telepathic communication the the ability to explain things

to them in a way that like clarifies what they're here for and why they're here that's probably what we would do yeah it sounds exactly like what we would do if we could get past all the problems of being a human being in 2024 and all the violence and chaos and all the lying and propag if we got past that that's what we'd become we'd become some starfaring creature that's like completely enlightened and shows up and is just checking on the Apes to make sure they don't blow themselves up it must be a hell of

a time to come watch us right right and if if think about like technology and Technology evolution is always so much faster than biological evolution like how far ahead are they you know if they're a million years what does that even look like yeah like what does that look like do you hit a wall like do you do they just quote unquote know everything right or do and then maybe that's what allows their their their moral compass and their biology to catch up or or maybe they're the robot custodians of the god creating intelligent beings

and that all they're doing is sent for ai ai created them and sent them out into the universe so that when the Apes get to the point where they start making nuclear weapons and bombs and reactors and cold fusion and gravity you you like just make sure they get through this okay boom and then whatever the [ __ ] Quantum Computing connected to AI becomes that's what it's like we're farming that that's something I thought about you know when talk about biological creatures and in these crafts yeah you know it it could be that those

are not things that traveled here from far away and are just kind of hanging out right like that might have just all the time they might have created these objects even the biological substrates if you will here using local materials and put them together because perhaps biological uh creatures are more appropriate for the type of interactions they need to do instead of a fixed machine right oh wow yeah that completely makes sense right like if you can create life which they're very close to being able to create fake artificial life like in like single cell

forms and haven't they created like aren't they like creating like artificial embryos I believe they have started to create like animal embryos and that's just from scratch I mean they could beam over you know DNA sequences and fabricate them here yeah but that that's seems like totally doable and that would make sense that they could breathe our air too you just engineer it so that whatever this creature is it does your bidding and just they're the custodians they're there they just hang around they're not even like Advanced aliens synthetic human embryo is created in groundbreaking

Advance it this is so crazy these are human I didn't think they were human synthetic human embryos using stem cells and a groundbreaking advance that sidesteps the need for eggs or sperm oh it's over we're [ __ ] yeah [ __ ] we're so [ __ ] I'm so anxious so scary man it's so scary so if we can do that now something that's a million years more advanced it would just like probably send some ball of energy down that energy would create a spaceship and the beings inside of it and like they're [ __

] sending someone a picture through a cell phone be that simple yeah and that's Pro I mean it's probably what it is they're probably the custodians you know we think of them as like Advanced alien beings it's probably not real probably advanced alien beings is AI and it's the most advanced because it just goes from nothing to God and maybe it needs custodians yeah the only re the only thing that would change my mind on that is if they they truly have some kind of faster and light travel that allowed them to transport you know

yeah physical objects from extreme distances to nearby right then because then the cost of of sending that information is irrelevant because they can just send things over so you know I could see both sides of it but it it's something interesting to think about you know and imagine the the Science and Technology feels that a full understanding this conversation would open up I mean it would open up fields of knowledge that we can only imagine right now we only see in Sci-Fi movies right even if we don't understand how they're doing it if proven to

be true everybody has to stop and go okay what's going on here like how is that thing moving that quickly like where's it coming from how did it come from 2,000 light years away like how is that even possible and then they have to figure it out and how I don't know I mean maybe what what is your take on the crashes cuz that to me is always like God if you're so Advanced you can come here from another galaxy why you [ __ ] keep crashing like what is that and then there's I'm sure

you're aware of Diana Pula and her stuff they call them donations like the people that research these things whether or not this even real but the people that I haven't seen it the people that the people that say they go there and find these fragments on the ground they refer to it as uh donations one thing I like to think about is you know their Planet you know we're make a lot of assumptions here but their Planet might be designed a different way right like their atmosphere might have significantly less oxygen it could be much

thicker and so they might have had they might have bypassed this whole period where they had rocket propulsions and gas shooting out the back and so they they might have taken them longer to at the space but they did so with a much more developed technology so then they they apply that technology they come over here and now they're in a regime that perhaps they were unexpecting um there's you know gravity disturbances there's you know more oxygen in the air there's different things that perhaps they either weren't expecting or just was different than their home

environment and then oh by the way there's these stupid Apes that are shining stuff at us that are launching nuclear weapons and acally knocking us out of the sky there's electromagnetic interference so I could see a logic there that shows that you know we make the assumption that if they're here they're Gods right they can do anything maybe that's not the right way to think about it well also maybe think about the sheer numbers so if we think that these things are real so let's imagine they're actually coming from another planet so if they are

coming from another planet and they're capable of coming here that means other planets are capable of sustaining intelligent life that can be starf farers so if that's possible here and there it's probably all over the place so if it's all over the place who knows how many numbers of things you're dealing with and how far Advanced they are and like like you said like what technology did they develop we think we always think technology is like completely linear and we think that like what we did and the way we did it is the only way

it could be done but the best evidence that's not true is Egypt the best evidence that that's not true exists you can go touch it with your hand you can see photographs of it online we don't know what the [ __ ] they did and whatever they did was super Advanced for 4,500 years ago we don't know what machines they used we don't know how they cut it we don't know how they measured it we don't know [ __ ] how they figured out to put it north south east and west almost perfectly no one

knows no one understands how they got the stones there it's all speculation and guesswork but whatever it is it's insanely impressive in a different sort of way of implementing human Ingenuity and engineering and thought into construction it's very different than anything we've done so it's a clear path like they had an enormous amount of resources in that area and they had sustained a civilization there for thousands and thousands of years to the point there they had developed methods and technologies that we don't understand today because they're not here anymore records are on I love the

work that Graham Hancock has been doing and I see it it's almost like a conversation the one we're having right I mean there's something here a lot of people can go out and look at it I mean sure I've never been in the pyramids but you know the the information is there if you're willing to go look at it and there's this massive stigma within the academic Community to say no no that's not right right because they're in this Zero Sum game they're all trying to win the next you know contract and Grant and they

just want to stay right within the line of what's acceptable and he's bringing forward very interesting points about a time period that we I think we all understand now is lot less understood than we thought there's also parallel civilizations that coexisted with European civilizations that are very similar to what we know about in history that were like the Mayans for instance like what the [ __ ] was going on in Mexico like how come because we know when that was like there like when Cortez visited was it Cortez or cabesa Daka who who visited the

Mayans and wrote about it it might have been cabesa Daka um I think it's in that move the the book uh a strange new land but when when they first encountered these people before they gave them diseases like they had this insane civilization with like gold headresses and ornate dressing like and everybody's like what is this like there's insane stone structures and the human sacrifice like the [ __ ] are you guys doing here like this is totally completely different type of civilization while in Europe they're wearing [ __ ] wigs and they're trotting around

and like all coexisting so we know that human beings can go in very different directions in terms of the way their society develops and the Technologies they Implement why wouldn't we think that that would be the case with everything in the known universe like everything in the known universe there's probably an infinite number of paths that intelligent creatures can go to creating technology and like you were saying some of them might take like way longer than our path of you know implementing indust uh com engines and electronics and they might be using frequencies they might

be using some sort of different way of generating energy that we don't understand maybe their planet has super strong electromagnetic fields right and so they can leverage that in a way we can't well the thing Lazar was talking about was that this planet had a stable version of this element 115 but I think I mean even what does that even mean what is element 115 if there's 114 Element 115 is whatever the [ __ ] you find next right if you don't know what it is like it and it was all theoretical until they the

Large Hadron Collider they de developed a version of it for you know a millisecond so they know that it's a real thing there he's saying they have a stable version like well if you live in a completely different solar system and a completely different planet with completely different there's planets out there that are made entirely of diamonds did you see that one yeah found a giant diamond in the sky get a picture yeah what the [ __ ] like I think that there's probably an infinite number of ways intelligent life evolves and some of it

probably doesn't look anything like us like octopi like octopuses they they have no need because they're in the ocean and there's no houses in the ocean so they have no need to like build things but they're super smart man they open up jars they figure out a way to get out of a fish tank walk across the floor climb into the next fish tank kill a fish eat it climb back and go back in their tank that's why I don't own own a squid cuz or an octopus cuz if I saw that in the middle

of night freak me the [ __ ] out they're really smart man they're weirdly smart and we don't even know why or how you know yeah they they have eyes that separated I mean but the like whatever an eye was developed an eye was developed for them and an eye was developed for us like and we branched off from The evolutionary chain like who knows how many hundreds of millions of years ago I I learned a pretty interesting little tidbit here you know I mean octopus apparently his DNA is not like anything else on this

Planet but apparently the Hawaiian have a a ancient tradition that octopus basically came from the sky is that interesting that is interesting but you know with panspermia they do think that it's possible that planets when they get hit by asteroids a big chunk of it can fly off and the DNA from that rock can enter into this new environment and with some things like spores spores survive in a vacuum that's one of the the thoughts about psilocybin mushrooms that perhaps they were they arrived here from somewhere else on a rock which is it's a real

possibility like that's where most of the aridium that they find when they have those big when they do those big digs and they find that layer of aridium that's near where there's an asteroid impact that's all just [ __ ] that came from space yeah I mean if you look back at like the evolution of humans to monkeys to you know fish and then you know multicellular organisms and uh the introduction of the MIT Andria smaller simple single cell organisms there's a very linear path of evolution and very early on there's a massive jump where

we went from extremely simple bits and pieces to essentially this big jump in in complexity for these these small systems and there's a theory out there that that that jump occurred due to seeding from elsewhere right that perhaps that that the whole path is linear and it occurred over time perhaps and they think the time period is like several billion years right for the the evolution from these these components to get to essentially a single celled organism that these components evolved independently uh in space perhaps feeding off a gamma radiation or other uh gamma energy

or other um energies that are out in space and so that evolutionary process did take billions of years it just didn't occur on a particular nuclear planet and then over time as meteorites hit the earth then we see this uptake in complexity because of the arrival and then the further evolution of of the biological you know chain that led to us and you know it's pretty interesting you know kind of tied to that theory is that you know the the big bang happened and things you know gradually cooled down I mean there was a point

where and I think the number is like 500,000 years where the universe was essentially room temperature right like everywhere in the universe had like a distribution of temperature that was equivalent to what we're sitting in right now before it continued to cool off and get weird so there could have been these opportunities in the Universal process that allowed for the development of lifelike components that eventually went out to seed the universe which would be a really interesting concept because it would lead us to believe that this probably happened in multiple places and not just here

that is a fascinating idea that it's like seeds and I mean that's the function that these asteroids have when that's what that's what happens when they land and they spread whatever's on them you could imagine like that's the function of asteroids slamming into planets knocking chunks off and flying that stuff into space that's why we have water here you know I mean we didn't just organically like create water on this planet it came from asteroids and other debris it's a comet right like com coms yeah a lot of comets are just made out of just

ice right yeah which is [ __ ] nuts there's a chunk of ice bigger than Manhattan flying through the sky imagine or Diamond it leaves right and leaving trails and some of them they can mine like that's that's going to be really fascinating once they figure out how to do that land on an asteroid and mine it yeah trillion dollar industry that was a Bruce Willis movie right wasn't it well I think they're trying to blow one up I think it was it was a Bruce miners there Armageddon yeah all right they weren't mining right

they trained miners how to be astronaut cuz that was clearly the easiest choice of training to mine well this we we were getting to that um the James web telescope secret secret squirrel meeting did you find anything on that nothing I mean I don't know specifically I was supposed to be looking for it okay let's try let's try it um let's say James web telescope uh top secret meeting urgent Discovery I've had everything but I have give me the [ __ ] give me like stuff that's shady there was a congressman that had a classified

meeting about the James web it's like they have many discoveries I don't know oh no no no not not Discovery um to top secret classified classified meeting Discovery come on Jamie indulge me you know we don't usually type put classified stuff out there yeah do it put it out there denies existence of classified briefings on James this is two months ago so oh so they definitely happened yeah it definitely happened if they denied it I mean I I don't it's it's probably [ __ ] it's it's probably a fun thing NASA denies it in recent

weeks rumors spread rapidly on social media I think I was involved in that suggesting that NASA's James web telescope uh had made an extraordinary Discovery potentially alien life the members of Congress had been briefed about it the rumors intensified after US Representative Andre Carson who had previously chaired a congressional hearing on identified aerial phenomena declined to answer a question about classified briefings when asked by I don't know who that is uh run by journalist Matt lasso on X last excuse me llo on X he's been doing good work on the UAP topic Matt llo yeah

shout out to Matt uh speculation uh prompted a Freedom of Information Act request filled by the blackbolt on September 22nd 2024 seeking any records classified or unclassified about James web Space Telescope briefings provided to Congress particularly related to the telescope's findings the request aimed to clarify whether any Congressional briefings had been held again uh about significant discoveries made by the telescope which has been in operation since 2021 so the response was a copy of Records which includes videos photos electronic or otherwise of all briefings about James web's uh telescope and program made for congress I

ask that you include all classified and unclassified briefings on the James web telescope program or briefings on findings made by that program it says those searches located no records responsive to your request okay neither confirm nor deny I mean I if I was uh hiding the fact we're going to get hit by an asteroid that's how I would do it I wouldn't tell people I wouldn't respond to this feed what Freedom of Information what are you going to put me in jail we're going to be dead in 16 months [ __ ] there's a planet

heading our way you know planets get hit by other planets sometimes or maybe they detected signs of life around an exoplanet that's the fun one the fun one is Signs of Life um the fun one is an actual spaceship the fun one is uh something that they they can't explain that changes everything that we hold dear and believe to be true whatever that means you know we've we've gone down the rabbit holism some fun speculative conversation about what's out in space but I just want to make the point that like this is still a solvable

problem here on planet Earth right like we can't let like the the fun speculation of what's going on out in the universe stop these kind of stodgy academics and others to say well this is not relevant to me this is not practical there's nothing here right like we need an intense focus on this within our government at the highest levels not just within an organization with the Pentagon and we need to engage our scientific and academic community and remove the stigma at the highest levels I'm hoping Trump will do that you think the bottleneck has

been the the security clearance of it all or the the bottleneck has been the lack of transparency like if we if people just knew that would be that would be the end of it I think so I think that would absolutely and of course by people knowing they're going to want to have some evidence that they can use to to do research on but even if the president just came out the other day or you know in the next week or in a few months and said we don't know what they are we have moderate

to high confidence that they don't originate through any known adversary or Nation on Earth help us figure this out but Biden and Harris have been like the last managers at Blockbuster Video you know what I mean they knew the [ __ ] gig was up like don't even show up it's over this the building's going under the the lease is done two weeks [ __ ] this not even at work I understand it's a policy of the Biden Administration to downplay this topic at the highest levels you understand that this is like a mandate this

is something I don't know if I want to use the word mandate but their policy this is their instructions yeah huh so I think I think with the the folks that are friendly to this topic coming in with the Trump administ Administration open up a very key opportunity window for us to move this conversation forward when look at it from their perspective what would rationalize trying to downplay this like if you you look at it from their perspective like what could possibly be the case where they think it would be good to propagandize or sway

people in that direction to stop our adversaries being aware of the reality situation and from investing into it and and proceeding past because again we're artificially constrained ourselves right because we're trying to keep it a secret o right so now that game is changing right that game is changing because it you know it appears that China is making Investments and has a large amount of interest in this topic and we're at a point now where if we continue to do that we're going to Simply fall behind and I think there's been this this delay within

bid Administration to just kind of ignore that problem for the next you know for whatever problem is more relevant uh he's probably more you know worried about his son and uh the legal issues he's in than this this massive issue I don't think he's running anything like I I really do think he's the last manager of Blockbuster right now that's what I think I I just I don't she's not even showing up for I never see her anywhere anymore unfortunate they're checked out it's over yeah but that that the problem with that is okay then

who who's running it and why why you know why are you holding back that stuff whoever has been running it I think yeah so I think this is I mean can you imagine how president Trump would be remembered across history if he moved this conversation forward yeah we just knew what they know just you don't have to tell us what it's what's possible what what it can do what you've engineered from it tell us something's going on what is that thing what's that thing that's going on Y is that thing ours if that's if it

is that's [ __ ] crazy you guys have been holding back some insanee [ __ ] and if it's not ours then we need to know and I think that that would change the human conversation I mean it would how I mean Ronald Reagan talked about that in the United Nations speech in like was it the 1980s you remember that speech well I remember learning about it he talked about how united we would all be if the threat of an alien invasion was happening Earth how quickly we' put aside our differences well that's why we

have the red phone with Russia right to be red is it really red yeah it used to be I'm sure it's you know a text message now but I wonder if they even have a phone anymore well they do and they do with China as well now although it's it's less is it like a phone phone like hello I don't know the structure of it used to be but it was there in order to Let's watch this let's hear this all the members of humanity perhaps we need some outside Universal threat to make us recognize

this common bound I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world and yet I ask you is not an alien force already Among Us what could be more alien to the universal aspirations of our peoples than War and the threat of War two centuries ago in a hall much smaller than this one in Philadelphia Americans met to draft hell of a speech yeah maybe it's time for another one yeah if they know tell us it'd be good be good if you let us know

and if we did have disclo like what can you imagine let's imagine that you get into this position and it's your job to get this information out to the public what kind of resistance do you think you're going to face because it seems like if there's been deals that have been done with defense contractors and like that's how you kind of have to have work on it right like who else is going to know what to do like you kind of have to get contractors on this thing you're gonna have to get the best and

the brightest you got a [ __ ] UFO I figure this out we haven't had support from the top in the past right so were I in such a position you would have to have me working closely with the White House and you'd have to have the White House's Buy in on this I think that's the only way and from the top of the executive branch you use that position of influence you pass additional you know presidential memorandums and executive orders that counterterm uh previous memorandums that may have existed in the past in order to

legally compel these organizations from the the chief executive to be able to move the conversation forward to require them to bring this information out to require them to collaborate and you know it doesn't have to be a onep person job you bring in some of the brightest people in our country in order to evaluate this data come to a conclusion and then share those conclusions with the American people okay let's imagine uh you get this position and you go through this search and you find out that this is all all our Tech technology and that

we can't allow China or Russia to know that we're capable of using these kind of technologies that are unheard of right now so we have to keep it as a national security secret what do you do about that something like that I mean ultimately if the answer is that there is nothing unusual going on here then we have to respect that right I mean it is very unusual you know if you've got these things that are moving the way these things are moving and their ours yeah and I don't think that's the case here you

know for all the reasons that we've discussed today so you know I ultimately it's about finding the truth right it's not about finding your way to a conclusion that you already support okay um I wonder what the world would be like if if it was fully accepted if disclosure was fully accepted I wonder what the world would be like if like Trump gets into office Trump has a press conference he brings you up you explain what we know this is over the last 16 months our team has discovered this that and that we've personally investigated

this that and the other where's the where are the crashed ones okay where the [ __ ] are you guys hiding those because if that's real that's the end all you have to do is bring the president to the crash site and you know you bring him into the warehouse and you show them this thing and you walk around it you go what the [ __ ] is this what the [ __ ] is this that would be the end all you'd have to do is just get a camera crew go with them Trump walking

around a spaceship okay we've been visited now we know by Whatever by whoever maybe it's not even a visitor maybe it's always been here maybe it lives in the ocean maybe it's been monitoring us from there and its sole purpose is like I said before custodian to make sure we don't blow ourselves up but either way we should probably know that should probably know there's [ __ ] bases in the ocean you know which because a lot of them they've seen their trans medium they move through the air and then they go into the water

and then make a splash andad like okay what is that we would have for the first time I think a clear direction of where we need to go as a society it would revamp our academic processes our fields of study our beliefs in you know religious structures I don't think they would nullify it I think they would probably amplify it um and it would I think have the equivalent impact of a positive nuclear bomb on our economy we would have certainty what direction to invest in and what technologies to pursue and I think that by

having that direction that would again nuclear bomb level increase in capabilities where we would be able to um you know be working on propulsion and energy systems and material systems that would Advance us well beyond where we are today it would leap prog us and if we sit on our hands we don't do that we're going to find our adversaries in a position to do that instead which would completely rewrite the geopolitical environment if we reach technological Proficiency in in all this AI stuff and Quantum if we reach this first then what do you think

that looks like I think well we already are in AI to some degree but I don't think it's a technology you can necessarily contain to one country I mean China's already has their own AI out there so I think it's going to be somewhat business as usual at least on the AI side Quantum Computing a little bit different the technology investment is much higher but still if China can come in and potentially steal that technology and replicate it then we're just in another level of arms race at that point but if we have the ability

to invest in deep technologies that we aware have an endpoint in reality instead of having to guess the Strategic value of something it's going to allow us to focus our resources in a way that we haven't had the opportunity do in this country that's a great rose-colored glasses view of it that sounds really good it does when you say it that way I'm like wow it's a very positive outlook I hope you're right um what do you think I don't know you know I definitely don't know I I go back and forth a lot I

go back and forth as to whether or not these are visitors or whether or not they're interdimensional and they're always here I go back and forth whether or not they're hours I think some of them are hours probably I go back back and forth to lazar's talk about how they they they had been doing flights with these things they had figured out how to at least get them off the ground and move them around the sky and have them land again if that was going on if that's real if that was going on 1989 who

knows who knows what the [ __ ] we have right now if that's real but if we are being visited it's it's a complete revamping of our position in the universe if we do realize we're part of a a a community of intelligent life that's in the universe and that it just takes a while for you to be technologically sophisticated enough where you can communicate or travel to these places but it eventually happens and then we just realized like like the lights come on there's like a billion eyes out there staring back at us like

whoa like we're all connected in this thing well I think it would give us a lot of reason to collaborate it would give us a lot of reason to collaborate and like Ronald Reagan was saying it would force us to recognize that we really are one thing here on planet Earth it's us together we we're not different countries it's [ __ ] it's crazy we're all just there of course there's different countries but we're just human beings we should all just be like the same thing we don't need to fight there's no reason for any

of this stuff all this [ __ ] can be worked out and in the future it should be I just think Technology's got to kind of like help us along in that direction that's probably exactly what happening but it's pretty strange that in the the meanwhile like in the what we're fac facing today with these superpowers duking it out and trying to develop technological and Military dominance this would be in the movie the exact time that alien life would start showing up if you're going to have a movie like where the aliens come to make

sure we don't kill ourselves now would be arrival time y now would be the time it's like we're all sitting in Plato's Cave duking it out arguing about what's on the wall right when a few people are creeping upstairs realizing that we have a lot bigger things to worry about yeah yeah a lot bigger things to worry about and a lot bigger things to look forward to Y and I think um the only way we're going to know what the territory is is if we get a a legitimate map I think some people have a

legitimate map of what we're looking at and some people don't and that's where you and I agree that's kind of [ __ ] up yeah it's not their position you shouldn't be able to well people like yourself bringing attention this topic Joe is huge you know I mean we have I think the momentum that we've seen over the past three four five eight years since I've been doing this is really changing the conversation I speak with people every single day I work this every single day Joe seven days a week and the amount of people

that are changing their tune and coming around in this conversation at all levels of engineering scientific background Financial Resources is absolutely huge and I think the pressure is going to continue to build and I think that the opportunity we have here with the new Administration is unprecedented and I think we need to do everything we can do to leverage that to move the conversation to a point of no return I think it's possible to do I really do and I think that's what the general public wants at this point we're doing it I think people

are really tired of not knowing like if there it's all [ __ ] tell me it's [ __ ] like tell me how you know it's [ __ ] and if it's all real [ __ ] you for hiding it for so long how you been hiding this for so long um how do you think this if you had a guess how do you think this drone thing gets resolved I mean they can't just stay in the sky I have this kind of pit in my stomach that this will probably stop in like a week

or two and then we won't learn anything new now I don't know if that's how it's going to play out but that would be consistent with what happened in past years do you think it's possible that they're just testing to see how people would react to drones flying around in space due to the lack of coordination in government on this topic I would assume if that's what they were doing they would have had a better plan to communicate but why would they communicate with state and local authorities if they could do it in a way

where they get clearance to do it and you know it's a need to know thing and they just like have these things fly around just to gauge how the Public's perception would be even within the federal government there seems to be confusion right so I'm not even referring to local government and law enforcement I'm talking about like government agencies that are actively investigating this seem to be out of the loop as well so if they are trying to trick us and I when I mean us I mean like basically everyone you know even within the

government even what people need to know I mean I just it's so hard for me to rationalize that they would be willing to manipulate 95% of the government in order run some kind of experiment or social test with unclear value at the end of that chain right like what what exactly they preparing us for is it a broader integration of UAP knowledge into our conversation that's the only thing I could think that would require such secrecy well do we have drones that are capable of doing exactly what these things are doing I think so I

mean for the vast majority of cases that I've seen you know on social media whatnot I think so so is this domestic or these Chinese drones like the the top-of-the-line drones that can do what these things are doing are we making those here I would have to make the assumption that the government with the defense Community has built various drones that are capable of doing similar things for deployment overseas right so again there's not one video I know we've looked a little bit for one that exhibits capabilities that gives us the high level of confidence

that they're completely unusual but we're not seeing that necessarily so I can't jump to that conclusion yet based off of the information that's being presented but the overall activities of all these objects and the historical consistency with other sightings in this part of the country lend lend me to still consider that there's anomalous activity that's going on in this area anomalous in terms of what we know we're capable of yes like what is an example of anomalous that exceeds our capabilities um increase signal management right not being able to be detected off our very sop

we have very sophisticated radar systems on the Eastern Seaboard includ including in New Jersey so to have objects that are able to essentially evade those detection mechanisms and appear mysterious and disappear of the ocean or come from the ocean in a way that's untrackable should not be possible um that's why we have these billion dollar systems so have we developed these capabilities and not just radar but infrared being able to block infrared and even being able to detect objects in their proximity and even turn their lights off right and of course these aren't magical Technologies

we can probably imagine a path there but it creates a lot of uncertainty about the origin of these objects and their intent right are we trying to evade or evade our own capabilities and cause a mass panic over our own country is this a foreign adversary that has had breakthroughs in these capabilities not just breakthroughs and these capabilities but you know Iran and China and Russia for them to be operating off the Eastern seab board it's not a small task right to like load up a ship have it be stealthy and then launch all these

drones without a point of origin that's not a trivial problem for them right we're one of the only countries in the world that has a true Global Navy and it would even be difficult for us to do uh civilian drones you know I mean are there civilians operating these hundreds of drones without detection without flaw without failure without crashing very very strange that that would be the case as well so again it's I can't I look at all these different options and I can I can I can see a rationale to say okay some of

these are not exhibiting capabilities that make me think it came from somewhere else necessarily but all these all these kind of facts lined up one after another makes it really anomalous and quite the mystery still but again I think we can figure this out Joe like we can get the proper technology there we can go figure this out and if the government is not going to do it I will how are you going to do it though like without the government like what would you do right now let's say Trump never calls you you got

to go figure it out what are you gonna do I'm going to take RF receivers uh from counter drone Technologies I'm going to go out into these hot spots uh we're going to be looking for the signals that they may be emitting and then using mobile platforms will be there to be able to detect the strength of the signals and we'll essentially follow them see where they go and that might include you know operating an aircraft that might include uh a ship offshore that we can hand off this information to so they can track them

when they go over the water it's just a resource problem it's not a technology problem so if there is a ship that's launching them off the coast what what kind of technological capabilities would that ship have to have to be there undetected to where they don't know where these things are coming from how far away would it have to be where that's even feasible there's a couple couple paths one of them you know it would have to be perhaps like a submarine launched oh uh ship right and we have very good detection underwater especially off

our Coast how many like drones could you fit on a submarine well that's the thing right so especially car-sized drones probably not too many so we're talking about perhaps a different class of Submarine or multiple submarines um they probably don't have the ability to recover these objects would it have to be a submarine or could it be a giant ship I don't I don't think we could have a giant ship off our Coast without the Navy or other other DOD assets knowing it's there satellites and everything else if these things are launching from the water

they must be W launching from something that was under the water that would be my hypothesis but there's no ship that's been sighted right correct what if there's a [ __ ] civilization in the water it sounds so stupid but did you ever see that one video where they showed this thing uh it was an underwater camera I think it was focused on an oil rig and you see something flying through the background yep I do see that something like 500 knots under Sil flash kind of yeah I have reports from submarine operators of very

fast objects under the water yeah what the [ __ ] Usos underwater or unidentified submersed objects I mean our water our plant is mostly covered in water our sensing underwater is not as good as in the air there's less traffic under there it would be you know a logical place to set up shop yeah I mean and how much of the ocean has actually been discovered or explored rather it's like 10% or something crazy yeah pretty small yeah and there's in insane deep spots that something could just go and hang out or move around stay

mobile yeah well listen I hope you get a phone call I hope you get a phone call and somebody listens to this and says uh that sounds like it would be a good thing for everybody if we knew what the hell was going on if it's possible to talk about but again um without you out there telling your story and uh guys like Commander David fraver and all these different people that have had these experiences and encountered things and are aware of it and know that it's a real issue without real credible voices like yourself

this conversation falls into the hands of silly people like me you know like like if I if I'm interested in UFOs I was interested in Bigfoot for a long time you know what I mean I I some of it is just fun for me but when guys like you come out and talk about it and when you know the New York Times writes that article in 2017 and you get the gimbal video and the go fast video all of a sudden it's like okay this is a phenomenon this is a real thing what is it

and why don't we know and why why aren't we being told what what we do know they don't deny it anymore I mean within government when they communicate it's clear from the Pentagon to the executive branch to legislative branch that yes there are objects we don't know what they are and they seem to be exhibiting capabilities beyond the stateof the-art I mean that's we're at a point in the conversation where that seems to be pretty widely accepted at this point how hard would it be for people to accept that it's coming from an underwater civilization

that's popping out to check on us that might be harder than the whole alien Theory right it would be almost crazier almost crazier to think that we coexisted with uh an alien civilization that's under the water that we didn't know about wouldn't we feel foolish we would feel so stupid we thought we're the apex predators we thought we're running [ __ ] these things are just hovering over our cities um listen man uh I really hope you get that phone call it's always a pleasure to talk to you and like I said I really mean

it if it wasn't for people like you that had the courage to come out and talk about these things cuz I know there's a there was a long time where uh airline pilots a lot of different people just didn't want to talk about their experiences because it seemed like they were Silly and they would be mocked and it was widely dismissed and now it's kind of generally acknowledged that something's going on you know even from our own Governor our own government so thank you if wasn't for guys like you I'm uh I don't know where

this whole conversation would be well so I hope you get a job yeah please do it uh tell everybody the website one more time safe aerospace.org okay please sign and you can report there please sign up as well uh Instagram uh Twitter uncertain uncertain Vector excuse me x x yes okay thank you appreciate it thanks bye everybody [Music] [Applause] [Music]