Scientist REVEALS Shocking Sugar Research That Changes EVERYTHING (Hacks That HEAL!) Glucose Goddess

the solution to this crazy food landscape that we live in food environment is not to cut out stuff you can eat whatever you want if you really want to eat some sugar the best time to eat that sugar so that you have maximum dopamine from it maximum pleasure and less impact on your body is going to be many of us were taught that healthy eating is the food pyramid or restricting calories but it is not that simple one French scientist is teaching us the best hacks to eat right and keep our blood sugar level my

name is Jesse and just I was like oh my God is there a connection between what I'm eating and my mental health wow and I found these hacks and the scientific studies I applied them to myself and then I finally felt like I had a first tool to improve my mental health wow nobody is immune to this crazy marketing to diet culture it is everywhere it's kind of a prison and I'm trying to help women understand it's not about the weights like Diet culture diets losing 5 lbs before summer that is toxic and the diet

industry is making so much money off your back I think a lot of people don't feel free today with food diets restrictions so how do we apply these hacks without feeling like it's some new trend but more understanding it's more intuitive for me to just live a holistic healthy life yeah well first of all welcome back everyone to the school of greatness very excited about our guest we have the inspiring Jesse inp in the house the glucose goddess good to see you hi Louis thank you for having so excited that you're here we just spent

I don't know the last 45 minutes talking about everything everything that I wish we were talking about on here so we're going to repeat ourselves and get into this and there's something that I've been fascinated about with your work and your message around something that's related to me which is sugar I've never been drunk I've never been high I've never I never tried mushrooms I never done any type of psychedelic um you know I it's just been something I've never done I've tried sips of alcohol but I've never been drunk why a number of reasons

that is probably for a whole upper episode but um my brother went to prison when I was eight for selling drugs to an undercover cop that was the first thing that I was like oh just trying something where could it lead to what could this lead to I'm sure it's harmless if you just do a little bit here and there but I just don't want to end up here when you go visit a visiting uh room of a of a prison every weekend for four and a half years it's heartbreaking it's sad and so that

was an early impression that was like okay I don't want to get into that type of trouble um and also in sports a lot of my teammates were drinking all the time we're doing drugs marijuana and I saw that it made them slow minded and it gave me an advantage on the athletic field so I was just like oh this is hurting them the next day when they drink they're not as fast they're not as sharp they show up sloppy they're not on time therefore the coach is not going to put them in the game

how can I have The Edge or the advantage and it just stuck with me I was like why start in my 20s after Sports was done when there was so much benefit to not ingesting those things that are poisonous in your body it's very evolved of you I don't know it was maybe but the thing that is not evolved of me is all the sugar that I have consumed most of my life I feel the same you know I don't drink alcohol and people when they say why don't you drink I'm like I have another

poison I prefer that's chocolate ice cream I know right I could eat a gallon of ice cream gallon when I'm here in La I order you know the van L's chocolate fud Brownie and I eat it by myself on my couch at 11:00 p.m. I'm like what am I doing I know good it's so good and that is that is the uh I think one of the greatest addictions is sugar right now and it is linked to so many different mental health challenges diseases yes weight gain all these things that cause harm on our bodies

Our relationships and Our Lives totally and the solution ideally we would stop eating sugar alog together but to me that is impossible and quite painful I don't want brussels sprouts for my birthday I want I want I want a triple fudge shock cake you know so my work has been about how do you help people eat the sugar that they love in a way that is less damaging to their health so you get the dopamine you get the pleasure molecule in your brain but you don't get we'll talk about it but the glucose Spike the

addiction roller coaster the inflammation Etc and I think that's why this work has resonated so much with people Nothing is off limits you can still eat the carbs and the sugar but in a specific way so that you also help your health at the same time yes because I think you know when I think about I I'm a very disciplined human being with everything else and to think about cutting out sugar completely even though I know that it has some damaging effects on me just makes me feel like what's the point of life if I'm

going to cut everything out a you know it's like I want to enjoy something what's your favorite sugar so before we started rolling you opened my book to the uh salted chocolate nut brittle re amazing I mean my it's probably like cake and ice cream and brownies you chocolate yeah of course yeah I mean I could eat every type of ice cream sugar cookies candies all the processed sugar you can think of I enjoy it which is not a good thing because when I eat nonprocessed sugar and I kind of stop eating the candy bar

process I guess essence of sugar and I have more dark chocolate with some honey or something or some sea saltt like I enjoy that too just learning how to enjoy it differently yes but what I've heard you talk about is the thing that is cool about your method because I was kind of worried as I started researching about you originally number one is because there are so many different methods strategies diets hacks in the food nutrition health and wellness space that I think cause a lot more harm than they do helping people because it is

so rest restrictive but one of the first pages of your book uh talks about this is not a restrictive diet first of all this is not a diet right this is these are basic Common Sense strategies that probably your grandparents already had implemented into their lives but now backed up by this modern science that allows us to see why they're so powerful and to me the hacks that I share they're not on the same level as like the paleo diet the keto diet for me they're on the same level as drink water brush your teeth

wear sunscreen we're sleep yeah exactly we're talking about just basic physiology basic health stuff that should be taught in schools it's not a diet it's not a fat it's just how your body functions and it's understanding physiologically how and when to eat your carbs with less impact on your health but it's not restricting you from eating anything you can eat whatever you want so let me give you an example now you probably don't want to over consume on sugar all day long course of course but so of course sugar is not good for us right

sugar causes glucose spikes that leads to inflammation aging insulin release but the solution to this crazy food landscape that we live in food environment is not to cut out stuff I don't believe in that I think you try that for a week or you know you're like this year I'm never going to eat sugar at all that doesn't work it never does so what I recommend people try is try some of these techniques for example if you really want to eat some sugar let's say a cookie a donut or whatever the best time to eat

that sugar so that you have maximum dopamine from it maximum pleasure and less impact on your body is going to be after a meal as dessert you want to always avoid eating sugar on an empty stomach and always avoid eating sugar in the morning okay yes so breakfast should be Savory okay in the morning nothing sweet yeah man those pastries though with the chocolate inside and just oh man the dut in the morning keep them for dessert after lunch because if you have them in the morning then what's happening in your body as you digest

that sugar and those carbs they turn into glucose molecules and these arrive into your bloodstream really quickly and cause what's called a glucose Spike so blood sugar Spike and then about 90 minutes later Louis your glucose levels are going to drop you're going to feel a crash and now it's 10:00 a.m. 11:00 a.m. and all of a sudden you feel more cravings for sweet Foods you're like I need a cookie I need some chocolate I need a snack and that Spike again and then you spike again and then all day you're on a roller coaster

where you feel addicted to sugar because your brain when you're experiencing a glucose crash after a spike the the Cravings Center in your brain actually activates and says leis find a cookie find a cookie and you want to avoid that because then you cannot you cannot fight against the craving Center in your brain so hard yeah that Center is very powerful and it's linked to evolutionary uh responses that we have to low blood sugar so you want to avoid that from happening the the way you do it is have sugar after a meal as deser

dessert never on an empty stomach never as a snack never for breakfast oh my gosh never as a snack if you can so you eat something first before you have the sugar exactly or if you really need the snack the sugar snack what you do is another hack that I call put clothing on your carbs so what does that mean so first of all carbs carbs are two types of foods starches so that's bread pasta rice potatoes oats or sugars anything that tastes sweet from a banana to chocolate cake those are carbs okay when you

eat them on their own for example a slice of cake on its own or a bowl of pasta on its own well carbs break down to glucose molecules so those naked carbs very quickly they end up as lots of glucose in your bloodstream therefore a glucose Spike what you want to do instead is put some clothing on your carbs and the clothing are proteins fats or Fiber before or or with them you can have them before or with them so for example you have a bite of cake but then have something else fat within that

yeah you could have like some Greek yogurt with the chocolate cake or with the bowl of pasta add some chicken or some cheese or some spinach right put clothing on your carbs don't eat it naked exactly never eat your carbs naked so that they don't cause as big of a glucose Spike because when you put clothing on those carbs digestion happens more slowly so you're still eating the carb that you love with less impact on your glucose levels and this is just one of many different hacks that I have that help us eat the stuff

we love with fewer consequences in our physical and mental health that's powerful so the more glucose spice we have on a daily basis and the more we have over time it causes us to live less yeah it won't allow us to live longer is what I'm hear you said it causes us to age faster through a process called glycation yeah what is glycation means so glycation and glucose kind of sound like the same word they're similar glucose glycation and this is why first of all before we talk about glycation I have to explain something to

you so you know when you put a chicken in the oven and it goes from pink to cooked to Brown what actually happened is that in the oven it glycated glycation was is the cooking process of the chicken now did you know that as a human being from the moment you're born you slowly glycate you slowly cook you start to cook yes like a chicken in the oven and then when you're fully cooked you die I know it sounds crazy but it is true and on the inside you're actually Browning so if you look at

the cartilage of a baby it's white if you look at the cartilage of somebody who's 100 years old it's brown it's been glycated glycation is cooking and it's aging now why am I telling you this because every time you have a glucose spike it accelerates glycation glucose causes this cooking CL causes this glycation causes this aging so the more glucose spikes you have the faster you age and this shows on your skin as wrinkles right I'm actually 85 years old but you can't tell so I don't have glucose legs and it also ages your organs

within and that's just one of the few things that happen when you have too many glucose spikes over time wow how many glucose spikes is ideal to have on a daily basis like what's the optimal amount of spikes that we should have as little as poss I I would say how do you keep I mean besides not eating I guess how do you not have a glucose Spike when you're eating Foods you avoid eating too many carbs on their own too many carbs for breakfast too many processed foods but I don't want people to become

too obsessed with keeping their glucose levels perfectly steady because you can actually do that in some unhealthy ways what I want people to think about is do they have symptoms of glucose spikes do they feel cravings for sugar do they feel tired tired throughout the day do they ever experience brain fog mental slowness do they not sleep very well do they have inflammation on their skin like acne psoriasis eczema etc those are all signs of glucose spikes if you can never leave the house without a snack because you know you're going to be hungry every

a couple of hours that's glucose spikes causing that and so as we Implement these hacks you can actually check in with yourself and see that these symptoms are improving you don't have to wear glucose monitor you don't have to track your glucose levels to see the spikes or the no spikes you will feel better and pretty quickly too because your glucose levels respond in a matter of minutes to what you eat and what you do so I recommend people learn to check in with themselves and see how they feel what is the optimal amount of

eating in a day to manage glucose in a good way uh are you into intimate and fasting yeah kind of yeah yeah it's been very trendy recently um but you don't actually need to fast for many hours a day to have healthy glucose levels you don't no it's more about what you eat right so so you don't need to skip breakfast you don't need to skip dinner no you don't need to have 500 calories a day restrict calories no to now are you still going to look healthy and lose weight in this process or you

going to gain weight if you're just eating whatever in the right order well so there's the order thing but the hacks that I share they allow you to stop focusing on the calories stop focusing on the restriction and just kind of understand what molecules are in your food and then naturally as you focus on these glucose hacks a lot of other things fall into place because you're less hungry you have few cravings for all the processed junk so your hormones are healthier exactly your hunger hormones are more balanced instead of you feeling famished every two

hours so naturally when you focus on the hacks a lot of things fall into place into your body and then on the on the fasting topic I just want to remind people that intimate fasting is not necessary to have a health healthy body you don't need to fast in order to be healthy it's much more important to eat well in a way that keeps your glucose level steady than to restrict your eating window for example especially for females we have to remember that fasting is actually a stressor on the body so if you already have

a life where stressful job kids to take care of you don't sleep a lot you drink coffee you do intense cardio exercise maybe you do cold showers you add fasting on top of that that is a lot of stress for your body to handle and that's why you see some women who are piling on all these things their hormones are breaking down they feel exhausted all the time their body is just being like no that's too much stress so I love fasting when I'm on vacation for example and it feels like an easy stress to

add on but when I'm working and I'm doing lots of stuff I prefer to have breakfast to have a Savory breakfast as I explained to keep my glucose level steady and to just eat three times a day you know really yeah something you mentioned here that I love is around freedom and I think a lot of people don't feel free today with food diets restrictions needing to biohack their life all the time it feels like they always have to do something else or restrict something they love in order to be healthy in order to optimize

their their life and the more I'm hearing you speak about just understanding it's almost like intuitive eating as opposed to restrict ing counting calories fasting all these other things that are that are trendy right now so because my fear is that a lot of women specifically and now men more more so with social media feel like they need to look perfect all the time they feel like they need to eat a certain way and be on the recent Trends in order for their bodies to morph in a way that makes them feel like they're enough

it's so tough huh so how do we apply these hacks without feeling like it's some new trend but more understanding it's more intuitive for me to just live a holistic healthy life well first of all if it's not calling you and you like don't do it right it's totally fine whatever works for you but I found a lot of benefit from people switching from the fads and the restricting and the intense stuff and that relationship with your body that becomes a forceful relationship it's like you're battling with your body every day right you're like holding

on really strongly and trying to prevent these these this hunger and these cravings and just trying to be really tight yeah it's so hard to have willpower so hard forever so hard and a lot of these fats unfortunately they're just not based on science right they're they are marketing machines so and that's also being used by the food industry to sell you more processed foods Etc so I think what people will find in my work is I'm a biochemist and so I'm coming back to the principles of physiology how does your body actually work and

how does food impact your hormones your cells your energy levels your mitochondria I'm not trying to push some crazy new extreme diet I'm just showing you some simple stuff that actually has been used for centuries but it's not very groundbreaking when you think about it let me tell you and give you an example so the four hacks in my second book are Savory breakfast instead of a sweet one vinegar before you eat carbs a vegetable starter so starting your meals with veggies and moving after eating what's the sign behind all those hacks okay so Savory

breakfast instead of a sweet one first of all that's been done since forever sweet breakfasts that's an invention of the food industry okay we didn't used to have dessert for breakfast it doesn't make any sense we used to have meat and potatoes so Savory breakfast instead of sweet one because if you have a Savory breakfast that's built around protein and not let's say orange juice and granola which is pure glucose then your glucose levels are going to stay nice and steady with the Savory breakfast instead of having a big Spike and then that addiction roller

coaster we talked about so the spike and the cravings and the spike and the cravings and the spike and the Cravings you don't want to be on that roller coaster because then that prevents you from living the day you want to live it prevents you from being able to use your energy and your passion and your talents to express in the world you are being controlled by that Cravings roller coaster if you start the day with a sweet breakfast so that's the first one Savory breakfast built around protein nothing sweet except whole fruit if you

want something that tastes a little bit sweet but after you eat the protein exactly so for example you know uh this morning I have I had some leftover salmon cakes I had some green beans sounds good yeah green beans and some rice and some Parmesan cheese and to me treating my breakfast like I would any other meal has completely changed my life and it almost feels like I often get people who tell me I was having a sweet breakfast my whole life and now I'm having a Savory breakfast and it feels feels like i' I

walked through a mirror you know in the movies like the aliceon Wonderland like walking through to this alternate universe parallel universe that's how it feels because all of a sudden you're you're in control you're energized you feel good anyway interesting so that's breakfast okay second hack that I love talking about is vinegar now everybody has vinegar in their kitchen but no one uses it true no one likes the taste of it true but it's an ingredient that's been around around for centuries in our culture culture and actually in some countries it's very well known that

it's something that is good for you it's healthy right in Iran for example they have apple cider vinegar every day it's a health drink but only recently have we understood why it's good for us so the reason vinegar is so cool science behind it vinegar contains a molecule called acetic acid okay and acetic acid what it does when you have it before a meal is that it slows down the breakdown of carbs into glucose molecules so it it acts on enzymes in your stomach stomach and it slows down how quickly the food you just ate

is going to be turned into individual glucose molecules and then enter your bloodstream okay so the second hack is one tablespoon of vinegar in a big glass of water before a meal that contains carbs I've done this a bunch in the past not a bunch but a handful of times and I just feel like I have to close my nose while I'm drinking this tall glass of water because it just it burns it SM tastes bad it smells bad it's just like man this is not enjoyable so how do you make it enjoyable with vinegar

is there like unflavored vinegar or like lemon white wine vinegar you can try making a dressing and putting it on your meal instead of drinking it and I know it's not great and so I I have some ideas about how you could use other things to have the same effect but nonetheless the scientific studies are there showing us it does have an impact and it's very simple and it's cheap yeah but if you don't like it don't force yourself the before every meal no I would say once a day before a meal that's high in

carbs right that's it yeah and what is the when you track this with a glucose monitor or how you're tracking it what do you see the spike doing instead you see 30% reduction in the glucose Spike if you just have a tablespoon tablespoon and a big glass of water diluted before eating carbs like 10 minutes before doesn't matter 5 to 10 minutes wow 30% less of a spike yep so you still eat the carbs you love with less impact in your glucose levels interesting yeah but if you hate this hack it's fine the other hacks

are just as powerful right so the Savory breakfast one will transform your entire day the experience of your whole life essentially and then the third hack is called the veggie starter hack so that means that hack means having a plate of vegetables at the beginning of a meal and you might think okay actually this has been done for a long time in France we have this concept called CR which is raw veggies at the beginning of a meal in Italy antipasti all the roasted nice vegetables in the Middle East they eat herbs by the bunch

at the beginning of a meal you know that salad with vinegret is quite a common way way to start a meal and now we understand why it's because veggies contain an amazing substance called fiber fiber she's amazing I love her fire she's amazing and fiber when you have fiber in vegetables at the beginning of a meal the fiber has time to go and coat your upper intestine and to create a sort of protective shield like a superhero deploying herself on the walls of your upper intestine really ah and it's a sort of gooey viscous mesh

that is improving your gut lining and then any glucose coming down afterwards will not be able to get through to your bloodstream as quickly wow so the veggie starter is an incredibly powerful hack and you can even combine it to the vinegar hack by making a little vinegar dressing and putting on your veggies does that what does that do does it decrease even more it decreases even more the glucose bike of the meal yeah so you still have the pasta and the whatever you like but yeah so you see what happens when you do these

hacks is that you can still eat the carbs you love but then you're creating less of a spike therefore the carbs are first of all not having as big of a negative impact on your health less inflammation less glycation less insulin redas and you're avoiding the creation of that Cravings roller coaster which is the main issue because most of us when we have something sweet then two hours later we want more sweets and then it's 11:00 p.m. and you've eaten 56 cookies right yes that's what we want to avoid we want to have the stuff

we love without creating this cycle of becoming a victim to more sugar Cravings the last hack I'll mention and you'll love this one it has to do with muscles you got some good muscles no yeah yeah so you know how to use these I want bigger though you know bigger mus stronger really let's go nice not too big but you know just yeah you want more why it's for your glucose levels it is it helps you process sugar better when you have more muscle exactly and the reason is so glucose is your body's favorite source

of energy every single cell in your body Burns glucose for energy so right now your brain cells are burning glucose to understand what I'm saying you're holding a pen that means your hand cells are burning glucose to contract and hold that pen up if you're listening to us you know every single part of your body is currently burning glucose to perform its function and your muscles as I mentioned also burn glucose to contract okay and we can use this to our advantage the fourth hack in my method is once a day after one meal use

your muscles for 10 minutes move walk stretch jump exactly you can even 10 minutes clean your apartment do the dishes fold your laundry go grocery shopping if you're at work and you can't do any movement you can do some calf raises underneath your desk for 10 minutes lots of easy little ways to get that movement in so that your muscles will absorb some of the glucose from the meal what happens if it's 10:00 at night you know Ben and Jerry's is Calling My Name the freezer or whatever ice cream you like it's call my name

I'm just sitting there watching a movie eating a whole thing of ice cream yeah and then I sit there yeah and then I go to bed a couple hours later what happens to the brain body gut if you do that by itself without applying these hacks well you're going to experience a very big glucose Spike at you're watching the movie and eating the Ben and& Jerry's that's going to have impact on your brain it's going to increase inflammation it's going to mess up your sleep hormones you're not going to sleep as well your sleep is

not going to be as deep or as restful you might even wake up the next day feeling hung over you know you never get hung over because you don't drink but sometimes you can feel hung over from sugar wow if you've had it late at night you're going to feel a bit groggy you might feel like your your your hands have swollen a little bit during the night your face swollen yeah exactly and then with that glucose Spike you're also increasing glycation aging you're also increasing insulin release which over time builds up to a diagnosis

of pre-diabetes for example and whatever sort of um Health background your body has if you've ever experienced symptoms from brain fog to psorasis to fertility problems that spike is going to make those worse so let's say you're watching that movie eating the Ben and& Jerrys you have a few options you can have a handful of almonds as you're having the ice cream to put some clothing on the ice cream interesting yeah you could do a vinegar drink you could also grab a book or bottle of water and after you eat the ice cream maybe do

some bicep curls as you're watching the movie to help your muscles soak up some of that glucose there's always Solutions so if I've eaten the cake the ice cream the cookies and I've forgotten to do all these things beforehand but I can still do it afterwards a little bit even if the sug is just in my gut already and just soaking down there I can still have a couple almonds or have vinegar and still help um the best thing to do afterwards is movement move yeah yeah yeah so do them calf phrases you're sitting on

the couch calf phrases for 10 minutes during the movie that's going to help actually yeah and you can do that up to 90 minutes after eating the movement the muscles okay cool do some push-ups whatever it might be totally okay so these are the four hacks in this book do you have other hacks that you recommend as well yes so these are the four most powerful important ones to start with uh but in my first book I have some other ones that are really lovely as well so we talked about clothes on carbs that's the

one I really enjoy and another one is about snacks so when you want to snack should we eat snacks if you want it's better not to it's better to wait between your meals but sometimes you're hungry sometimes it's 4 pm and you're hungry so what you gonna do ideally you would have a Savory snack as I explained right swe not sweet keep the sweets for dessert okay sweet equal dessert have some eggs have a piece of toast with some avocado on it try to think Savory always as much as you can that's going to be

incredibly helpful to keep your glucose levels nice and balanced because when you're hungry when you want a snack whenever you feel that hunger that means your digestive system is quite empty so if you feed it something sweet the glucose is going to arrive really quickly into your bloodstream and create a big spike or if you could have a actually do have vinegar right before if you want if you can you should use these hacks and compose with them as you wish and then you know what if you can't do any of these hacks one day

it's totally fine I don't want people to stress out it's not it's not like something super strict you have to do all the time there are weeks where I don't do a single hack because of XYZ reason you can't fall off the wagon there's no this is not a this is not a restrictive diet for me these principles are things you keep with you for your whole life like for example if one day you don't drink enough water you're not going to go crazy about it be like oh my God up it's like fine just

drink more water tomorrow or if one day you forget to brush your teeth it doesn't matter right we're here for the Long Haul we're here to build these habits into our lives and to be able to call upon them like little fairy godmothers whenever we want yeah that's cool but the more consistent you can be with it the better off you'll be absolutely so is it possible then to eat more of the foods you love to lose weight and to live longer yeah absolutely absolutely and weight loss is an interesting topic right I think often

when people see something that has to do with food their immediate the the first place they go is oh is this going to help me lose weight and I've specifically never talked about weight loss because I think that if you angle something as this is a way to lose weight then it becomes a diet it becomes restrictive it becomes a fat it becomes something that you attach a lot of anxiety towards to me these hacks as I mentioned they're principles of how your physiology works and when you avoid the spikes a few things happen Cravings

reduce hunger reduces and you burn more fat and so as a result about half of the people who do this naturally lose weight without trying to lose weight and even by eating more than they usually would so to me weight loss is a consequence of your body coming into balance getting an alignment exactly exactly and it's and I read in here you did a 2700 person experiment with and a lot of people did lose weight but they just felt happier as well I think that's the key it's like how can you be happy doing something

that you can do for forever yeah and you said a lot of people are actually eating more than they were before and they were able to some of them were able to lose weight by doing just the right things in the right order absolutely and I think a lot of it I mean how much of stressing about what we eat how we eat how much much we eat causes us to be out of alignment with our health and our horon I think a lot because when you overstress about food or anything else that causes cortisol

that causes stress in the body that can have a negative impact but listen now does Cortisol also create a spike ahting yes it can absolutely one of the biggest spikes I ever got was when I was giving one of my first big presentations and I was wearing a glucose monitor and it was in front of like 300 people and I was so freaked out I was shaking you know but I did it and then I looked at my glucose monitor and I saw one of the biggest glucose spikes I had ever seen yeah you weren't

eating them I wasn't eating come on yeah and the reason is that so back in the day when we saw a lion or whatever we had to run away from a predator or or a danger our body would release all this glucose from our liver into our bloodstream to give energy to our muscles to give immediate quick glucose so that our muscles could contract and we could Sprint now in today's day and age a lot of the stress we experience is actually not something we have to run away from but rather something that is just

a stressful social situation but your body still releases this glucose to help you run away if you have to and that's why you see this Spike so it's like chronic anxiety will also cause glucose spikes as well I mean I think like very acute events of stress will cause Spike right chronic anxiety probably maybe I don't know but we have to remember food is still you know 90% of what causes glucose spikes or doesn't but you will see in very very stressful social situations sometimes you can get one of these spikes wow so how long

were you wearing a monitor for when you were studying a lot of this for yourself non-stop for two to three years non-stop I mean you take it off for a couple hours or you whatever yeah I got really into it you know it was I was going through my own health journey and figuring out my mental health and how I was connected to food and so yeah it was my absolute passion and I did this non-stop for almost three years and now because I understood so many of the principles I don't need to wear one

anymore it's intuitive now yeah so I do it maybe twice a year but I don't think people need to wear glucose monitor to get the benefits that's really key what was your life like before you got into these experiments for yourself there was such a big disconnection between my lifestyle and my everyday choices and my health I for for many many years I had a lot of mental health problems deepers ation anxiety and I I just never connected those to what I was doing what did you connect those to I had no idea I was

like oh maybe it's because I had this accident when I was 19 I broke my back and my brain has been broken ever since and I thought I was just going to have to live with this my whole life what was this feeling what what was the experience like what did it feel like for you living like that well it's scary I could never be alone I felt really sad about the Outlook of my life I felt like man this is going to be tough I felt like this is gonna be a tough life you

know I was like it's gonna be heavy and is it because you were just thinking and feeling like negative thoughts or you're just feeling insecure or you're feeling anxious what was the feelings you I was I was having actual episodes of this thing called depersonalization which means that what is that it's a it's a situation in which all of a sudden you feel like you're not like your body is not yours like I would look at my hands and be like whose hands are these really yeah and it feel a split between I would call

it splitting that's the term I used and it's quite common actually and it's a split I felt like part one part of my brain would split off from the rest and just kind of look at myself from above when I looked in the mirror I was terrified I would have panic attacks i' be like who is this person no it was terrible really I it's the worst thing ever is this like split personalities or it's basically it's a stress response so when I was 19 I broke my back jumping off a waterfall and then I

had super intense surgery where I thought I was going to die like it was terrible you have like metal and plates in your back loads yeah loads in my spine and the stress from that event I had never processed it I didn't know how to process it I was living in London no doctor had told ever told me I like hey Jesse you went through something really stressful let's shake it out let's help your body move the stress out of your CS nothing right so all this stress created this sort of PTSD like symptom of

deepers ization but then it stayed with me CU I had no idea how to fix it I had no idea what was causing it why did I have an episode Monday and then nothing for three weeks and then three this week I had no clue I was lost I felt completely like the victim of this these episodes I could I could not like stay in a hotel room by myself for one I was too stressed to be with myself and existing had become the most scary thing ever and I think it's because I thought I

was going to die before that operation that part of my brain just hasn't didn't process that we stayed alive you know what I mean so you thought the operation you weren't going to survive oh yeah because yeah because I you know I was 19 and I had waited three weeks between the accident and the surgery and they had told me what they were going to do what did they do well they open you from the side so I have this big scar on my waist they take out the broken stuff they close the side they

flip you over they open from the back they put a metal cage they drill stuff into your spine and blah blah blah and I lost lots of blood I mean just like I was so scared I was so scared and I thought to myself if I wake up this is going to be a miracle you know oh my gosh yeah but for these doctors it was a routine operation right but I was like hopefully I live yeah and so I think that event having been completely unprocessed then led to this terrain of mental health problems

and the issue was I didn't understand how I could make sure these episodes didn't happen and I didn't understand what was triggering the episodes but for eight years they would just yeah they would just happen randomly once a week once a month once a depended depend you look yourself in the mirror and what would you see I would not recognize myself holy cow yeah it's a very strange experience and I think unless you've experienced it you it's very hard to relate yeah but it's just it it goes it it affects that very core deep part

of yourself that is just telling you I am Lewis I am alive that thing becomes broken and so it precedes every other experience you see what I mean like the core of just being a human being in a body is broken so it it sucks so how did you okay so how what happen yeah so what happened then how did you learn to find this how did you find the solution after 80 years of suffering well I had a crazy experience I wor glucose monitor for the first time as part of a pilot study and

I saw one morning as I was experiencing one of these deep personalization episodes I saw on my glucose monitor that I was also experiencing a massive glucose Spike from The Breakfast I had just had which was a sweet breakfast interesting and in that moment I was like oh my God is there a connection between what I'm eating and my mental health wow and I was like what the heck and that's when I became fascinated I thought wait a minute like maybe the spike I think I had just eaten a donut for breakfast maybe that spike

is causing something in my brain that is causing the symptom to come out again and then I dove into the research and I found wow I'm not alone actually even if you don't have diabetes you can have these spikes and they can impact your neurons brain frog mental health anxiety your hormones your energy your mitochondria your cravings and I found these hacks in the scientific studies I applied them to myself and then I finally felt like I had a first tool to improve my mental health wow and then I created this B Baseline of feeling

safer in my body feeling better and then on top of that I built you know EMDR therapy emotional processing like it was not all fixed with the glucose hacks but it gave me a foundation upon which I felt like I could build myself back wow yeah you still had to process and integrate the lessons you were learning from the traumas and the years of traumatic experiences you were yeah continuing to have from this situation but I understood that the way you eat the way you're living your life is so connected to your brain and how

you feel how much of our food determines the way we think oh what do you mean by the way we think like can food that we eat cause us to have thoughts thoughts that are not our own thoughts that are directed towards mental health and negative side effects of mental health well the way you eat can impact your neurons it can create inflammation it can slow down the speed of signals between neurons it can impact your gut which then in turn impacts a lot of different hormones and molecules in your brain so yes absolutely the

studies are fascinating showing that you know if you put two groups of people who have mental health issues on different diets one of ultra processed foods for example lots of carbs lots of spikes and another group on a Whole Foods diet with without so much sugar that group on the Whole Foods diet their mental health improves the process food diets group the mental health gets worse wow so I don't know exactly about like specific thoughts but the chemicals in your brain are 100% impacted by what you're eating so if you already have a a Terrain

of poor mental health like you're going to be impacted by that stuff for sure and that was my experience and I never found a single study on deep personalization in food but I found loads on anxiety depression and food so maybe in the future we'll have a de personalization one but I think now it makes so much sense I'm like well of course of course my food was an important thing to fix in order for my mental health to get better when did you start to feel like you were back in your own body and

you were seeing yourself recognizing yourself accepting of yourself and loving yourself again I think as I was writing the first book it all kind of came together you know because in order to write a book you have to really process and integrate information and as I was writing it and in my first book they introduction I read my story of the accidents and everything and that was a real a very emotional moment I was like wow I'm actually writing this down I'm processing I'm you know putting it in this chapter and talking about the after

and I'm no longer the girl who broke her back you know CU I was defining my life that was your identity totally totally because I was still broken from it oh my gosh you hadn't healed emotionally from no no no no and what's Wild you know is I saw all these physios after my accident and they were like make sure you can walk and blah blah blah but not a single person addressed the emotional spiritual you know trauma part of things and I really hope that one day when people have a very intense for example

spinal operation that there's somebody who's in charge or saying hey your body went through some crazy stuff Let's help you move some of that stress out let's have a little ceremony let's shake to move and help your nervous system integrate you know like let's do some tapping we need more of that absolutely we need so much more of that yeah I mean the book the body keeps a score continues to just take off because it's about you know the traumas that your body has felt if you just go on like it didn't happen your body's

going to remember and it's going to cause a disconnect me you know that too right 100% And I feel like uh when you start to process those things emotionally through any type of therapeutic experience it allows you to integrate lessons reflection and kind of speak it aloud you know you writing it down was you acknowledging it like this did happen let me process and move through this and try to not eliminate it or disassociate but integrate the lessons yeah and it was a part of me but it doesn't Define me I think that's a beautiful

thing yeah but some people go their whole lives not being able to process stuff we have we don't have enough education on that in the world yet and I think it's so powerful I'm curious about your thoughts maybe you haven't done any research on this yet but I'm curious about your thoughts of being in the wrong intimate relationship or in a toxic relationship and how it affects your glucose spikes and your health oh cool question uh there's one study that comes to mind that kind of shows um the reverse so they did this incredible study

in the US they uh recruited I think it was a hundred Couples married couples okay and they gave each person in the couple a voodoo doll representing their spouse oh my gosh and the researchers bless them they asked the participants to put a pin in the voodoo doll every time their spouse annoyed them come on I'm serious and then they also measured these people's glucose levels what did they find they found that the people who had the most irregular glucose levels the more roller coaster well they had put more pins in the voodoo doll representing

their spouse and now we they had anger and resentment towards their spouse more yep and they had more glucose spikes yep holy cow so one of the hypothesis of the scientist was that glucose spikes impact this hormone this molecule in your brain called tyrosine which is in charge of regulating your mood and keeping you Cal calm and cool and when you have lots of glucose spikes that thing does not do well and it's not at its normal levels and that can lead you to being more vindictive more irritable yeah so that's that's the only thing

I know but then in terms of what happens if you're in a toxic relationship well you know if you're in a situation where you don't feel well and you're trapped or you're in a very difficult situation your nervous system is going to respond your nervous system is going to be in fight or flights cortisol levels are going to increase you're going to be seeking out dopamine to counteract the very difficult emotions you're feeling so as a result like I can totally imagine how that would lead somebody to eat lot of sugar have more regular glucose

spikes etc for sure wow oh man this is fascinating and for the you know you mentioned uh diabetes a little while ago if someone's not going to use a glucose monitor they're not going to monitor themselves what would you say are the top three signs of understanding if your blood sugar is out of balance or unhealthy well first of all your doctor should probably once a year test your fasting glucose levels so that's a pretty standard test um and that will tell you do you have pre-diabetes or diabetes but once that happens it's kind of

like well okay now now you do something about it but before that I would say the most common symptoms are cravings for sweet Foods I mean that is just such a sign especially if you have them multiple times during the day that means you're on the roller coaster and then second one which we haven't really touched on yet has to do with energy levels so let me explain to you something physiologically you know how I explain that your body Burns glucose for energy now there's one little organel that does this conversion of glucose into energy

it's your mitochondria the PowerHouse of your cell Etc your mitochondria their job is to grab glucose molecules that you just ate and transform them into energy for your body to use and your mitochondria are super happy when they receive a steady supply of glucose they're like steady transform into energy steady all good now the problem is if you give your mitochondria way too much glucose at once a little bit like if you gave a plant at home way too much water water at once your mitochondria are going to stress out they're going to sort of

go on strike they're going to go too much too much information cannot handle like I'm just going to go have a nap and they're going to stop converting glucose into energy as effectively wow you as a human feel this as chronic fatigue playing with your kids is exhausting waking up is exhausting going grocery shopping is exhausting it's 300 p.m. you need five Red Bulls and two coffees to stay awake and then at night you can't fall asleep and you don't feel well oh man right so there's there's a problem in your energy capacity in your

body your mitochondria are damaged with every glucose Spike you increase that damage of your mitochondria and so chronic fatigue is a Telltale sign that your glucose levels are out of work so I would say cravings and chronic fatigue oh my gosh you're like whoa oh my gosh this is amazing um there's something that you triggered in my mind to ask you about smoothies juices and coffee can we have them or do they cause too much of a glucose Spike that cause more damage than I guess healthy benefits first of all you can have everything I'm

always going to tell you if if it's 2 p.m. I like it don't restrict me come on yeah I'm like if it's 10:00 a.m. on a Sunday and I want chocolate ice cream I'm going to have it okay yeah eat it 100% okay so what happens to our glucose levels we have smoothies juices or coffee okay so first of all coffee fine just don't put any sugar in it no sugar yeah or some St well then have the sugar but you have to have something else before yeah try to have if you have sugar in

your coffee have it after breakfast instead of before breakfast don't just drink coffee with Sugar by itself big too bike big one yeah what about coffee with like a milk or a creamer or something like that fine oats milk is going to be the worst for your levels oats milk is like making pasta juice oh man so you cook some pasta you put it in the blender with some water you blend it until it's liquid that's pasta milk when you make oat milk it's the same what about oats by itself with a little bit of

protein that's better yeah that's good for breakfast you can have that listen if you love oat milk have it you know I'm just telling you the different stuff so oat milk not my favorite favorites would be like whole fat dairy or nut milks almond milk unsweetened unsweetened almond milk little bit of D is fine a little bit of stevia yeah why that's fine okay okay let's talk about fruits you ready yes okay what's the worst fruit to have ah there's no such thing as worst fruit to have the greatest Spike fruit juice juices okay yeah

let me explain so you know how humans um bred gray wolves into lots of different breeds of dogs like Chihuahua Chihuahua is not a natural breed right we've for thousands of years we've been breeding different wolves and blah blah blah to make all these different breeds of dogs well we haven't been doing that just with dogs we've been doing that with plants and with fruits all of the fruit you find today at the supermarket is not natural not a single one they are all yes they are all the results of thousands of years of selective

breeding to make fruit that are juicy full of sweetness not too much fiber not too many seeds Okay all the fruit that we have today is a human invention they're all human inventions if you compare let's say today's banana to an ancestral banana ancestral bananas are full of seeds they're tiny they're tart and they're really hard to eat so remember this fruits are a human invention today's fruit are human invention now the thing is if you want to eat something sweet having a piece of fruit is still the best thing to do because fruit contains

fiber and fiber as I explained helps to slow the glucose Spike which fruits have the best fiber because fruit juice you're saying has no fiber very little yeah listen I don't I don't want to call out specific fruits I think have the fruit you like best um I don't I mean okay fine if you want me to call specific fruits I will um berries are probably the best option yeah tropical fruit like mangoes even apples these days are super sweet I mean have whole fruit I don't want to demonize whole fruit but what happens is

that if you juice fruit you're throwing away the fiber that's the stuff that goes into the garbage bin that is the fiber that's the good stuff yeah for your gut and helps the spice to go down yeah and then if you make a fruit juice it's just water and sugar and without the fiber without the fiber so what if you had the fiber in some other food first and then you had orange juice sure if you want is the spike going to be lesser yeah I mean you can always you know be very ingenious about

stuff but I would recommend people see orange juice as dessert if you want a juice it's for pleasure it's it's for dessert it's not a good way to get your fruit in you're still you're still not telling us don't have it you're just saying it's not going to be the optimal way to do it yeah I'm never going to tell you don't have something but I'm going to say but that's a dessert yeah it's it's not it's not a breakfast food it's not a good breakfast way to start your breakfast for your day if I

wake up you know first thing I do is have a little bit of water and then a tall glass of orange juice or a tall glass of apple juice or whatever juice what happens to that glucose Spike what happens to my body all of the sugar in the juice is going to arrive really quickly into your bloodstream make a big big spike inflammation aging mitochondria being tired Cravings roller coaster kicks off neurons get inflamed signal of neurons slows down hunger hormones go Haywire your creating a day for yourself that is going to be full of

cravings and fatigue wow yeah so what is the first thing I should be eating in the morning to set me up for Success that day for my mental health my hunger cravings everything my hormones a Savory breakfast build around protein eggs eggs some yogurt some leftover fish from last night tofu meat a smoothie with protein powder some nuts something that and I have loads of recipes in the book but something that's built around protein that that way you're going to keep your glucose nice and steady because protein does not turn to glucose when you digest

it so we talked about juice but what about smoothie you just mentioned smoothies so smoothies would be a better solution slightly yeah so if you for example if you smoothie a banana okay you're not going to get rid of the fiber but the blades of the blender are going to pulverize it so it's going to become less effective and you're going to drink that banana smoothie so quickly versus eating the banana so smoothies and juices are just less good if they're made of fruit but if you have a smoothie in the morning with like protein

powder you know some nuts some milk a little bit of fruit for Taste it's fine as long as you're balancing it and putting some clothing on those fruits protein in there yeah so if you had peanut butter in there is that a good thing because it's protein it's going to be better for your glucose Spike y it's a better thing okay you're trying to make me say things well I'm just I'm trying to understand better yeah you know for the for the women that I feel like struggle and the men that struggle with their body

image their needing to look perfect either needing to look super skinny in a certain way for women or for men needing to look you know shredded and ripped or whatever how can individuals with maybe an addictive personality or a personality that they just really haven't figured out how to accept where they're at with their body or they just feel like they're bought into their friend group that's telling them to do certain things what can they really do to start to heal integrate better around their their lifestyle the way they view themselves when they look in

the mirror how they look at their body and how they eat so it's not so toxic for themselves I'm not an expert in the psychology of things but I can tell you a few things that I've observed and learned um I find that sometimes when my readers or my community members come to me they're like oh Jesse I really want to lose 10 PB like if I lose 10 pounds I'm going to feel so much better actually what they're saying is I want to feel better in my body you know it's not really about the

number on the scale it's about do you feel good in your clothes do you feel happy when you wake up do you feel beautiful you know do you feel energized you feel good about yourself and often what might happen is that somebody will try the hacks and they might not lose weight but on the inside their biology is going to be working well again and all of a sudden they feel happy you know the hormones in their brain are rebalanced they have energy their mitochondria work they feel good about themselves sleep well they have motivation

to go and work out and they realize oh it was not about the 10 pounds it was about feeling good and feeling healthy and feeling like myself and feeling empowered and feeling like I have agency and energy to go after my dreams so often when we're after um you know specific weight loss it might actually hide another desire because sometimes you get the weight loss and you still feel sad it's not enough yeah it's not enough interesting so and listen I think think this is you know on the realm of psychology and therapy Etc but

um I know from me my relationship to my body completely changed I grew up in France being bombarded with diet messages do five pounds this of course all over the place you know and body dysmorphia and you're like oh my God my thighs are so big and it's like you thighs are not big you know but we're bombarded with these messages and it's a way to control women it's so effective what is the difference between the the messaging in the health and wellness world in France or in Europe versus in America that you see because

you've grown up in both cultures the messaging and the marketing is quite similar both it's trying the same stuff is trying to be pushed but in France there's a bit more of a culture of eating like we take an hour for lunch we eat with our family people cook every day when you come back from work you stop at the butcher at the cheesemonger at the produce guy and you buy fresh food right and then you cook at home and you actually take time and I think that's the main difference that I see and so

uh were less victims to the big um big food industry because there's such a deeper culture of cooking and eating together but listen you know nobody is immune to this crazy marketing to diet culture it is everywhere everywhere French women are also obsessed with being thin it's not yes of course yes yes yes and so that's one of the reasons I never talk about weight because I think it's really deflecting the real objective here which is to help people be healthy you can be skinny and be really healthy on the inside right right so and

it's also just a way to control women it is such a powerful controlling mechanism you know I when I was a teenager I was obsessed with how I looked how much I weighed I would weigh myself every day Etc and that prevented me from actually thinking about other stuff like what I wanted to do what what were my passions what did I want to learn you know how I felt so it's kind of a prison and I'm trying to help women understand it's not about the weights like Diet culture diet losing 5 pounds before summer

that is toxic right and the diet industry is making so much money off your back by making you believe that's going to make you happy and worthy you see what I mean the hacks that you've been talking about researching studying and applying like you mentioned are a lot of things that have just been you know around for a long time yeah and it's bringing them back with new science and showing here how this supports you know the glucose spice going down helps you feel more healthy all these different things when people skip out on the

the healthier hacks and they go for a quick hack or a drug something like o zic that's been you know kind of taken over and they live by that versus kind of grounded principles on health and nutrition what tends to happen even if they lose all the weight they wanted to lose even if they you know look better in the mirror what happens when when drugs take over Common Sense listen I understand you know I the the food environment we live in is so confusing so much of the food we eat is so bad for

us so toxic we're all lost so I understand why these drugs have taken over because we are profoundly lost and interestingly in France o and pig is not a thing really nope well it's just cigarettes instead right no no no but people don't what do you mean it's drug so you're not hungry anymore it's just like what why because I think in America because of there's so much more processed foods all of our hunger hormones are deregulated so we do feel hungry all the time and we don't know how to eat better there's no there's

no asmic or these drugs in France that you're aware or it's not it hasn't takp at all it's not in the media it is in the media but I don't know a single person in FRS who takes it really yeah so they're they're pushing it in marketing there of course yeah but know they're like what we what what yeah isn't that fascinating yeah um so what happens well listen first of all I think it gives people a sense of control and that's that can make you feel good but the problem is with OIC for example

now we're starting to see studies about what happens when you stop and so with OIC you lose a lot of weight but you also lose a lot of muscle and then when you stop taking OIC you're going to start eating like you normally would again and then you get all the way back but you just gain fat back you don't gain the muscle back so you end up in a worse situation right and the way OIC and the other um glp1 Agonist work is that there's a hormone in your body called glp1 and it's one

of the hormones that tells you Louis you've eaten enough you know when you have a big family dinner and your aunt is like Louis one more slice of pie you're like Aunt Mary I really can't I'm just like you know when your stomach is really full one of the reasons you feel that way is because of gp1 and OIC tricks your brain into thinking there is more glp1 than there actually is in your body mhm so your brain is like oh I feel super full I cannot eat exactly some people even forget to drink right

it's crazy and this is not great because there are natural ways of increasing glp1 uh but these drugs trick your body into thinking there's more than there actually is so we don't know yet what all the after effects are going to be but I think it says something really disheartening about the state of our um dietary habits is that we're so lost about what to eat and the food around us is so bad for us that we need a drug to help us not eat the food oh my gosh and for big food and big

Pharma I mean match made in heaven right it's it's it's making a lot of money to a lot of people wow but whether or not you take one of these drugs it's important to understand physiologically how your body works because otherwise you're just going to be just as lost in six months when you stop right so what is it GP is what you said gp1 gp1 so what are the natural ways to I guess create more without a drug eating fiber or and this is one of the reasons I created anti-spike my new capsules is

that there are plants that help your microbiome produce more glp1 naturally so for example after 6 to 12 weeks of taking anti-spike you see a natural increase of 15% in glp1 it is an actual increase it is not tricking your brain into thinking there's more glp1 it's actually helping your body create more of this satiety hormone and using a lot of my hacks is also going to naturally increase gp1 vinegar too or no I don't think so I don't think so no it's more about specific nutrients that you eat so protein and fiber and fats

Etc uh but it's it's just a normal hormone you know that you have on your body all the time it's not this crazy new thing it's just acting on something that's already there yeah so like what you're saying before like vinegar is one of the best things you can do to have in water before a meal that will help you decrease the Spike of glucose of the meal no matter what you're eating uh well you have to be eating carbs because if you're eating just broccoli that's not going to help cuz broccoli doesn't really make

a spike got it but if you're having sugar carbs then it'll help you decrease when you have vinegar exact a lot of people don't want to drink vinegar every day yeah and they don't want to travel with a bottle of you know vinegar with them wherever they go and so this is something you've been developing anti-spike so what is this what are the ingredients that support you yeah similar to what vinegar does I guess well the reason I develop this product is because I was seeing pop up on the market a lot of these vinegar

gummies I won't name names but a lot of companies have made vinegar gummies that taste good that have lots of sugar in them that are really bad for you and that have no signs supporting them so my readers were like hey can I take a supplement instead of the vinegar yes can I take a vinegar capsule vinegar gummy and I did a lot of research and I realized there's a lot of stuff on the market which at worst actually contains sugar and makes a glucose Spike and at best doesn't have any scientific studies backing it

and doesn't really do much so I thought for the people who want a pill when they can't do the hacks okay when they're traveling or whatever they want a little extra help is there stuff that could actually function so after several years of digging into all the scientific research I found these four very interesting plants now these are plants that have been around since forever okay but recently scientists across the world have found that they have an amazing impact on our glucose cels and I put them all into anti- spikes so the plants are mulbury

Leaf lemon extract cinnamon and antioxidants from green vegetables wow so you take the capsule before eating and it reduces the glucose Spike of the meal by 40% 40 yes come on yes and it's not bogus we have tons of clinical trials on this it's amazing and it's because anti-spike contains this molecule called dnj DJ is awesome and what she does is she lets 40% of the sugar from your meal pass through to your microbiome without being absorbed into your bloodstream that means your bloodstream doesn't register it there is less of a spike so less impact

on your health and your microbiome is so happy to feed on these sugars and it creates all sorts of positive hormones including increasing glp1 so it's honesty I know it sounds a little bit like a magic pill and I don't want people to think oh I'm just going to do this and not the hacks it is an extra tool do the hacks do not replace all the hacks that are free and easy and food based with anti-spike but if you want something to have in your purse for when it's a birthday party you're traveling you

want a little bit of help you're going to eat carbs and you want less of a spike this is 100% the best thing on the market there's nothing like it it's incredibly powerful 100% plants vegan a lot of clinical studies on it and it's the only thing I recommend today anti-spike anti-spike baby where they get at your website yeah antis spike.com excited I can't wait to have some and try it out that'll help me with my sugar Cravings that's for so it's kind of like a guide it's like this this uh you know Usher taking

the sugar through your body without it going in the bloodstream less of the sugar and just kind of peeing or pooping out going to your microbiome and feeding your nice bugs the good bug the good bacterias but is that good I mean do does microbiome want bad carbs and sugar it want it wants the undigested carbs it creates short chain fatty acids yeah yeah absolutely so it wants that in the gut but challenge is when you have sugar without these other things it goes in the bloodstream first exactly is that what happens exactly which causes

the spikes exactly which makes you gain weight inflammation age fasters relation mitochondria damage yeah oh your face you're like oh God what else do we need to know about this that we haven't covered yet what what what are you worried about that's coming over the next couple of years with Society with Wars with you know pandemics all these different things that have happened what else do we need to speak about that hasn't been said well you know I work in a very narrow field which is science of your body and of food and I think

in this space the stuff I'm concerned about is kind of what I experienc which is a more and more of a disconnection between symptoms you feel and finding the root cause so more and more Plastering of a medication over a symptom instead of asking yourself what is this symptom actually trying to tell me symptoms are actually messages coming from your body right the Cravings the brain fog the acne the infertility the diabetes they are your body's way of speaking to you and saying leis there's a problem here help us fix it your body is not

asking for a drug to suppress the symptom interesting it's asking for you to pay attention so I'm concerned that we're going to keep going further and further down this path of treating a symptom completely disconnected from understanding what it's telling us about how we live and we see this in all areas of Health right not just in glucose Spike symptoms but mental health symptoms right anxiety depression panic attacks all this stuff all these autoimmune diseases popping up I mean it's everywhere I want to help people reconnect the dots the symptoms with how you need to

live your life to make the symptoms go away symptoms are messages from your body your body is screaming at you your body is trying so hard to communicate but we just don't know how to listen we don't have the language right so if you're listening and watching today and you have the symptoms and you've had them for a long time flip the script ask yourself hey maybe this is my body speaking to me or trying to speak to me what if I listened and try to fix the underlying issue instead of suppressing medicating feeling bad

about it not talking about it you know yeah I mean I'm all for tracking data because I love to track the data and know what's underneath everything but in a world of extreme biohacking culture is what it seems like wearables glucose monitors heart rate monitors blood drawing every every month whatever monitor you have you know Aura ring sleeping and like tracking everything is that also like I think it's good to have the knowledge about your specific body and how your body works but is that sustainable long term to keep like every biohacking thing possible to

tracking data isn't could it be more stress first of all it costs money yeah like not everybody can afford these trackers and the people who need this information the most are the people who cannot even afford my book so I don't to me it's like a Mot point it's like sure track it if it motivates you if it's cool if it helps you understand but really the Public Health crisis we face is not going to be solved by these trackers yeah it's going to be solved by giving people free information online accessible easy to digest

understandable that isn't even require you know a high literacy rates to understand that's what I'm passionate about I don't care about the biohacking stuff I'm like if it makes you happy if it helps you feel more connected if it helps you motivate like go for it don't become already stressed out about it but go for it but I have friends for example they wear a sleep trackers and they've told me that in the morning it's almost like they don't know how they feel yet until they've looked at the Sleep dat oh you didn't sleep well

oh man now I'm tired and you know what this reminds me of interesting it reminds me of back in the day where it still happens where people women would weigh themselves in the morning and depending on the number of on the scale they would then say I'm going to have a good day or I'm going to have a bad day and feel bad about myself W it would determine their attitude absolutely absolutely because that stuff has such a big impact yeah so I mean there's great sides to it you know I discovered all these things

to a glucose monitor so far from me to say glucose monitors are not useful it changed my life profoundly but now I understand that there's so much work to be done in just giving this information for free without an expensive device yeah and you show like okay when you eat this specific meal you show the science on the other pages that say okay when you eat this when you have something before here's what happens with the glucose Spike so you're showing already what's going to happen to most people exactly yeah so as long as you

see it visually on my data I think it makes sense and these hacks are based on scientific studies on clinical trials they're not just me testing stuff and making up yeah yeah I'm just using my data to illustrate the scientific studies I love the emotional support water bottle that's in the vinegar week that's one of the ways of having your vinegar hack yeah and so in the method in the glucose goddess method I've had a great time just creating all these easy recipes and making it fun and easy to start with it's a very colorful

joyful book and I'm obsessed with design and and copy and it's beautiful and how do you help people change their behavior as simply as possible and as you see in the pages for example all the ingredients have a little photo of them so it's beautiful it feels very friendly it's really beautiful yeah it's always been hard for me to um look at a lot of recipe books that just have like you know the the words yeah the list it's just like it's not inspiring but when you see it visually like this beautiful image and you

see the images of the foods and you feel like buy that it's easy I'm obsessed with simplification and helping people yeah it's beautiful actually take the first step you got love you've got great design thank you which I appreciate I love I love great design it's like half half cookbook half a coffee table book you know exactly I'm so excited for you uh Jesse and so I'm so happy to hear that you've been transforming your own personal life and you've been healing from the Reflection from all the different therapies you've done but also by taking

back control of your life Yeah by monitoring these things and by applying it so I'm really I'm really glad that you've done the work because you've given so many people hope for their life for their health for their future in a world of diet culture and or just confusion of like to do so I really acknowledge you Jesse for being on this journey of being a servant than of wisdom from bringing back the ancient things that our you know great great grandparents knew and applying it to a world of confusion and chaos and uncertainty so

I'm I'm really inspired by everything you're you're building the glucose goddess method the four- we guide to cutting Cravings getting your energy back and feeling amazing make sure you guys grab a copy or two give one to a friend again if you if you know someone in your life that that's been struggling with nutrition or food or body image like give them this this book give them this gift and send them this episode um I think it'll really inspire people I'm inspired so I'm grateful for you and uh check out antip spike.com if you don't

like vinegar like me I'm a very picky eater check out anti-spike um something you can take before you eat Foods whether you're traveling or at home if you don't want the vinegar to help decrease the spikes in glucose which I think is really cool all plant-based uh antis spike.com I can't wait till I can get my own stock um where else can we send people to to support you and be of service to you you've got a great social I mean your content on social media is amazing it's always inspiring but what else can we

do I think the Instagram is where is my Hub where I talk about everything so glucose goddess.com and I think something really simple too is that I make lots of free content and so if you have for example a parent that has diabetes you know get onto my Instagram and send them some of the posts and the simple graphs and that has a huge impact to helping them understand what's going on in their body so use all of my content as much as you want it's free it's there to be shared if you're a health

practitioner use it with your patients like we're all in the same team let help people understand their bodies better yeah it's beautiful okay final two questions this is one I ask everyone towards the end it's called the three truths so imagine a hypothetical scenario you get to live as long as you want because you've decreased your glucose spikes so you're living way into the hundreds uh but it's your last day your last day you're fully Brown on the inside you're fully G glycated you're fully glycated um but you've lived an amazing life you've accomplished every

dream experienced every experience felt all the love you wanted to feel and did it it's a celebration but it's the last day and for whatever reason in this hypothetical world you have to take everything with you that you've created this book this interview anything you've ever shared online it's gone from the from our world and you get to leave behind only three things three lessons I call it the three truths okay what would those three truths be for you symptoms are messages have a Savory breakfast actually uh and focus on personal growth grow as much

as you can take challenges as lessons find the teaching in every difficult thing that happens to you and grow grow grow your soul your spirit as much as you can those are beautiful thanks symptoms are messages have Savory breakfast and focus on personal growth uh final question what's your definition of greatness being fully in your power finding what your specific unique power passion is and inhabiting it as much as you can because that's what your soul is here to do you know your passion is what your soul wants you to go towards and I think

being able to to live in that place as much as you can whether you have a passion for drawing or horses or biochemistry trying to live in that space to me is really great testosterone is libido and motivational Drive estrogen is she's going to want to talk to you she wants to have a c so if you if you if you want to have sex with her you better talk to her first cuz she's during that time she's got estrogen she wants to verbally process with you um so her brain especially late at night