Dr Joe Dispenza REWIRE Your THOUGHTS and Brain To HEAL Today!

If our thoughts could make us sick, is it possible that my thoughts could make me well? Well, if that's the case, then I’m going to have to manage my attention, and I'm going to have to inhibit that thought that has conditioned the body to subconsciously be the mind. I think you gotta have a dream. The School of Greatness. Welcome back, everyone, at The School of Greatness! I’m very excited about a guest we have: the inspiring Dr. Joe Dispenza in the house! So good to see you again. Happy to see you, Lewis! I'm very excited.

I want to start with one of your quotes because I think this is going to be very profound for a lot of people who have watched your content before, but also for people who have never heard about you, which I feel like would be hard to believe—people who've never heard about you, at least on my channel. Here is a quote of yours: "Just as thoughts are the language of the brain, feelings are the language of the body, and how you think and how you feel create a state of being." A state of being is when

your mind and body are working together. So your present state of being is your genuine mind-body connection. I love this quote, and I see you talking about this a lot. I hear it in your meditations; this is in one of your books as well. The thing that I want people to focus on today: a lot of people are feeling sick; they're feeling stressed; they're feeling overwhelmed, and their bodies and their minds are literally getting sicker and sicker. Specifically here in America, obesity is increasing, and it just feels like more and more people are on medications

and are needing things to try to help them feel better in the moment, but I don't believe it's helping them get to the root of their pain and their sickness. I don't think it's going to help them extend their lifespan and also be healthier later in life. Yeah, I went to your event last year and was blown away by what I witnessed in seven days of doing intensive conscious meditations that you were leading and witnessing the healings that were happening. Within seven days, people who were unable to stand up straight and felt pain throughout their

entire body—people who were in wheelchairs—were able to have the strength to get out of them. People who were struggling to see clearly and had blurry eyes could now see clearer, and so many other incredible, what people might think are miracles, happened after seven days of following your practice and the practice that you've been applying to yourself for a long time. I wanted to start with this context because I feel like people are sick and they want to heal, but why do you think so many people struggle to feel whole and heal, when there seems to

be the answer to how to do it, but people continue to struggle with their health? Why do you think that is? Hmm, um, well, there's a lot of things to unpack there. We have three types of stress that we process in the physical body. We have physical stress— that's like trauma, accidents, injuries, falls—and then you have chemical stress, like toxins, pesticides, pollutants, viruses, bacteria, hangovers, or nutritional deficiencies. And then you have emotional stress, right? Emotional stress can be family tragedies, car accidents, second mortgages, single parenting, 401(k)s, you know, whatever that is. But each one of

those things—physical, chemical, or emotional—knocks the body out of homeostasis, out of regulation, out of balance. The innate capacity of the body, when it's not overstressed, is that it wants to always return back and regulate, wants to return back to homeostasis, and wants to return back to order. That's kind of innate in us; that's an automatic process that's running through the autonomic nervous system. So we could say the job of the autonomic nervous system is to create balance and regulation and homeostasis, and it's automatic, right? That part of the brain sits under the thinking neocortex, and

it's called the chemical brain, or the emotional brain, or the limbic brain, or the mammalian brain, and it has all of those functions that maintain blood sugar balance, hormone levels, digestive enzymes. It's doing what it can to take the body and constantly repair it and regenerate it, moving it back into balance. All of those stressors knock the brain and body out of balance, and the innate mechanism, the stress response, brings it back to balance. Well, it just makes sense that if you keep knocking it out of balance over and over again and you keep moving

it out of homeostasis, that imbalance is going to become the new balance, and now you're headed for disease because that autonomic, automatic system can't regulate order in the body. So a system then is compromised; the system breaks down. If it's physical trauma, you know, your body can heal if you rest it. If it's a chemical imbalance, you take your pharmaceuticals or you take your nutraceuticals—your vitamins, your minerals, your herbs. You intermittent fast; you eat a vegan diet; you do anything you can to get the body back so that it's using more energy for growth and

repair. For some people, digestion consumes more energy than the act of processing makes, right? So really, they're in a state of constant diminishing returns. When the autonomic nervous system is out of balance and the digestive system is perceiving that there's a threat and danger all the time in the outer world, the person is living in fear—it's not a time to digest, right? So that system is compromised. So, so then, there'd become very sensitized to the foods they consume, because the response constantly from the environment is weakening the organism. Right? So they're a victim to the

environment, so they're more susceptible to having food allergies or whatever it is. So then the person goes to a diet where they consume fewer foods that require more energy to break down. So it's like taking a camel in a desert that has fallen and lifting all the packs off it, getting it back up, and then slowly adding the packs back on. Right? So, people do things to get the body back into chemical balance, and sometimes that involves refining or changing their diet in some way. And there are, you know, thousands of options for that; you've

got to feel good about it, and you've got to believe in it. But the big factor is emotional stress, and that's really, for the most part, 75 to 90 percent of every person that walks into a healthcare facility in the Western world; they walk in because of psychological or emotional stress. That's really pretty much four out of five people. What's really causing their health condition is that they're emotionally stressed and emotionally out of balance. Okay, so what are the emotions that are connected to the stress hormones? It's anger, it's hatred, it's violence, it's frustration, it's

competition, it's control, it's judgment, it's envy, it's jealousy, it's insecurity, it's fear, it's anxiety, it's worry, it's angst, it's hopelessness, it's powerlessness, it's guilt, it's shame, and it's unworthiness. You know, psychology calls these normal human states of consciousness. These are altered states of consciousness. So, our response to someone or something in our environment, or our response to our own thought—a memory of what could happen in the future, a memory of the past—could actually cause chemicals to be secreted from the brain. It's crazy that it causes the body to actually believe it's living in that same

environment of fear or danger. Right? So, what I'm hearing you say there, just so I'm correct, we can think of a thought of our past memory, whether it's true or not—what happened and a memory of something that we think happened. It may have happened; it may have been something that we continue to make up. That happens, right? But a memory, 50 percent of that is a lie? So, yeah, more than like 50 percent of our memories are lies. Yeah, they're not the truth, right? Right, or they're expanded into something else, right? They're embellished. They're embellished.

So we can think of a memory—a painful memory—and we can hold on to that thought, or we can think about something we're worried about in the future that hasn't happened. We could pick some worst-case scenario and obsess about it, and just the thought alone could create an emotion that could make us sick. Is that what I'm hearing? Yeah, because that thought—when you're seeing that thought in your mind or remembering that image—it's the image and the emotion; it's the thought and the feeling; it's the stimulus and response that's immediately conditioning the body into that state of

imbalance. So it's a scientific fact that the long-term effects of the hormones of stress push the genetic buttons and create disease. If you can turn on that stress response just by thought alone, your thoughts are literally going to make you sick. Okay, crazy. So that's the greatest example of the mind-body connection. So, the next fundamental question is, okay, if our thoughts could make us sick, is it possible that my thoughts could make me well? Well, if that's the case, then I'm going to have to manage my attention, and I'm going to have to manage my

energy, because where I place my attention is where I place my energy. And I'm going to have to inhibit that thought that has conditioned the body to subconsciously be the mind of that emotion. And the body's so objective that it does not know the difference between the real-life experience that's creating that emotion and the emotion that person is fabricating by thought alone. To the body, it's exactly the same. So the body believes it's being chased by a predator; the body believes it's in an offensive situation where it has to attack; the body believes it's constantly

needing to be ready, and it's constantly out of homeostasis, it's constantly out of balance. It's in an emergency; it's in fight or flight. It's a different system in the autonomic nervous system where you're stepping on the gas, where you're mobilizing enormous amounts of energy for some threat, some danger, real or imagined. But that thought and feeling, the image, the emotion, the stimulus response is conditioning the body to automatically be the mind of that emotion. So then, now the body becomes conditioned and addicted. Now this gets to be a problem because people get addicted to their

own thoughts. It becomes their personality, right? It is their identity, and they become addicted to the life they don't even like, because their response to the co-worker, to the boss, to the ex, is actually giving a rush of energy or a rush in general. And they're associating that rush of energy with some problem or condition in their life. And now, come time to change and manage your attention and manage your emotion, it's no different than breaking an addiction to anything. There are cravings; the body wants to return back to how it's been conditioned into the

familiar past, into the known—even if it's uncomfortable, painful, and a horrific feeling. Why do we go back into that feeling? Because we don't believe there's anything in the future. Oh, if we knew that the best way to create a future really is to change your state of... Being then, you would have to manage your attention on that thought and have to say, "Is this thought actually the truth? How long am I going to keep thinking this thought and firing and wiring that circuit in the brain?" So, there's biology because now it's an automatic program—it's a

belief. A belief is just a thought you keep thinking over and over again until it becomes subconscious or unconscious. To change, then, has become so conscious of that unconscious thought, that unconscious belief, that it wouldn't slip by your awareness—a notice and check. Now, the body's in rehab because it's overdosed; it's been on a bad trip. The body, which has been conditioned by the mind, is 95% of who we are, right, by the time we're in the middle of our life. So, there's David and Goliath, and the body's just saying, "Look, you think you've been making

all your decisions your whole life; actually, you haven't. The body has been making these decisions because it's the mind." So then, the body says, "Okay, Louis, this is really good that you want to be kind and compassionate; that's not how you've been here." Your body says, "Let me just send some thoughts or some memories of the past that are going to just cause you to feel that emotion." So, the body starts saying to the mind, "You can't—it's too hard. You'll never change. This is too uncomfortable. I don't like this. Go back to make the same

choice, do the same thing, create the same experience, feel the same emotion, so that you can return back to the known." And that's how people seamlessly return back to that same identity. So, back to the concept of health—physical balance. Okay, let's talk about that. What do you want to do? Intermittent interval training? You want to do yoga? You want to do Pilates? You want to do sprinting? You want to do running? You want to do weights? Whatever it is, get your body more physically balanced. Physical balance has to do with strength, flexibility, and endurance. Get

those three in balance, right? So, you want to do acupuncture, chiropractic, massage—whatever it is that you want to treat your body to, to honor it in that way, get it back into physical balance. And there's no doubt in any one of these areas you're going to have to stretch yourself outside of what you think you can do because that's the only way you're going to change. Yes! So, just when you think you've had enough, then go a little bit more. Shut yourself out that way without hurting yourself, but do it with intention. Do it with

assigning meaning to why you're doing that activity. Get the greatest value out of it. It works better when you do! Yes, don't resist and get into it. Face off with whatever it is—the pain, the limitation—whatever. Just mark your progress and have it be something that you mindfully want to improve on. Do that, and your body will get stronger, get more flexible, and have more endurance. Okay, so, um, take care of your body chemically. You know, get a blood test. Yes! I don't know, do it—do whatever you need to do to get it chemically back in

the balance. If you're having these symptoms, then you're going to have to maybe start eliminating certain things and making different choices. That doesn't mean that stuff is bad; no, it means you're out of balance and it's bad for you. Don't make it a thing like you have to do it forever; just understand why you're doing it. So, take your nutrients and your vitamins and your minerals and understand why you're taking those things, and do that with the intention. Right? So, the meaning behind it will give you a greater outcome. But it sounds like if you

take care of the physical and you take care of the chemical, you still might feel or be sick if you don't take care of that. That's exactly where I'm going! So, get those things in order. But you can do all the right things and still feel stressed; you can still feel sick. You can still feel like your brain and your body are not working, and you feel exhausted and you feel drained. Right? Right! Because your response to the environment and in response to your own thoughts is weakening the organism. You're squandering energy. Okay, so do

all the physical things, do all the chemical things, but if you're being controlling, rigid, judgmental—self-judgmental—you know, if you get really over-focused on your food and get really over-august on everything, but you're controlling everything in your life and you're living in fear, none of this is going to make much of a difference until you get your body back into homeostasis and balance emotionally. Right? So, why? Because the moment you return back to this same emotion, your body's so objective. It's believing it's living the same past experience, and you will behave as if you're in the past

and you will think as if you're in the past. You're literally living your life from the past, and that's the way it is. And so, it takes crisis, it takes trauma, it takes disease, diagnosis, loss, betrayal for people who finally go, "I've had enough!" Right? Why wait? You know, so you do the organic diet; you do that right. Intermittent fasting? You do the vegan; you do the gluten-free; you do the keto. It's easy! You do your supplements—everything! But if you're just controlling, rigid, you are going to take the signal to your cells, which is fear,

and make organic fear proteins. That's what you're trying to make. And I have no—listen, I take care of my body; I exercise; I eat well. I make... Great choices! But I know that if this component is present, then we have case histories of people with ALS, lupus, cancer, and even those who have completely reversed Parkinson's disease. One person, after receiving bad news, had all of her symptoms return in just one hour. She went right back to the same emotions, signaling the same gene. If the environment signals the gene, according to epigenetics, and the end product

of an experience in the environment is an emotion, then it makes sense that as long as you feel that emotion, you're signaling the same gene. Your body believes it's living in the same environment, so seamlessly, you'll return to the same health condition because you'll upregulate some genes and downregulate others, moving your body back out of balance. As I said, the condition returned in just one hour. She couldn't get out of her car. She said, "If I did it once, I could do it again." She just reversed the process. It was the second time she was

able to do it again. She learned that no one or nothing is worth it—justified or not. The only person we’re hurting is ourselves. Okay, so self-regulation, getting your autonomic nervous system back into balance and homeostasis, is going to require breaking the addiction to those emotions. Those emotions drive certain behaviors and thoughts that cause a person, in an instant, to say, "I want to be healthy; I want to live for a long time," and then they go back to making the same choice because they return to the same emotion. Now they're back in the past, and

it’s like they’re fighting against what they really want, what they say they want, by living in this position: 95 percent programmed, working against 5 percent of your conscious mind that says, "Okay, have the intention." You could say, "I'm healthy. I'm wealthy. I'm immortal. I'm abundant," but your body is saying, "Dude, you're miserable." That thought never makes it past the brainstem to the body because that's not consistent with the emotion of the body. We only accept, believe, and surrender to the thoughts that are equal to our emotional state. We never accept, believe, or surrender to any

thoughts that are not equal to our emotional state. Can you say that one more time so people can fully understand? We only accept, believe, and surrender to the thoughts that are equal to our emotional state. We will never accept, believe, or surrender to any thoughts that are not equal to our emotional state. So, you could say, "I'm abundant. I'm eternal. I'll live forever. I'm healthy. I'm wealthy." If your body is programmed into that emotional state, it's going to say, "You're not that." You're going to believe it doesn’t believe you. It only accepts thoughts of suffering

and misery because they're equal to that emotional state. So then here's the fundamental question: Take a person whose identity is resentment—yes, their identity is anger, frustration, and betrayal. You ask them, "Why are you this way?" And they'll say, "I'm this way because of this event that happened to me 15 years ago." The stronger the emotion we feel from some event, the more altered we feel inside. The more that chemical continuity is disrupted by something that surprises us and alters our state, the more the brain freezes a frame and takes a snapshot—that's called a memory. The

problem is that we think about that event over and over again after it happens, producing the same chemistry in the brain and body as if the event were occurring. So, the body is conditioned, literally, to be in the past. So a person says, "You say the person is resentful about everything. They're seeing their lives through the lens of resentment, frustration, and anger, and everything's upsetting them." Well, that's a self-fulfilling prophecy. You say, "Okay, now it's an addiction. You've got to change that." A person goes, "Oh, okay, that makes sense." Now, they’ve got to get out

of the bleachers and onto the playing field and say, "Okay, these emotions have something to do with my health." Just saying, if I stop feeling these emotions, what if I start feeling different emotions? What would be the emotions that would make me happy? These negative emotions make me feel really bad; the memories make me feel bad. Can I remember a future? How would I feel if my future could happen? I’ve got to train myself to feel different emotions. Well, if I've been practicing feeling these negative emotions and have conditioned my body to be the mind,

it's going to take some time for me to start producing different chemistry with the intention of making that chemistry and getting my body back into homeostasis and balance. So, work on your breath. When I breathe, I change my state. Practice breathing, work with your body so it can start to relax, so that it feels safe enough to feel something different. If it takes you three weeks, it would be worth it—absolutely! So then, the person starts, "Okay, I don't really know how to feel gratitude." Okay, well, maybe start going out and giving to people. I promise

you, when you start giving, you’ll start feeling grateful. Then start practicing feeling gratitude. Teach your body just for 15 minutes a day what it would be like to feel great, to feel gratitude. What would it be like? Our data shows that if you take someone and guide them to do that for four days, three times a day, they produce a substance called immunoglobulin A. It's your body's natural flu shot; it's the greatest immune chemical we have. Have a 50% increase in the subjects we studied in four days. Immunoglobulin A is up 50 percent in four

days. Where is that chemistry coming from? They're not taking anything; it's coming from within them, right? No supplements, no injections, no topicals, no, no, just their bodies. Their autonomic nervous system is manufacturing a pharmacy of chemicals that's causing an immunity in the body. Wow, right? So, now a person practices feeling gratitude. Okay, what is the emotional signature of gratitude? When you receive something, or when something wonderful happens to you, or something wonderful is happening to you, you feel grateful. Yes? So, the emotional signature of gratitude is something wonderful happening, or something is happening, but you're

in a state of receivership. Yes, you've just received something, right? So, the emotional signature of gratitude is received. Right? So now, if you're in a state of gratitude, it makes total sense then you will accept, believe, and surrender the thoughts that are equal to that emotional state, and you could actually program your autonomic nervous system to create a pharmacy of chemicals that causes growth and repair to happen in the body. Wow, and that's exactly what we're discovering. So then, when people understand what they're doing and they understand why they're doing it, the how gets easier.

So, you can assign meaning to the task and switch on the prefrontal cortex. When you switch on that prefrontal cortex, it wants to get an outcome; it doesn't want to mess around. It wants the outcome. You're doing it for the outcome, and that's kind of a strong intention and a change in energy or an emotional state, and that's changing your state of being. When you change your state of being like that every day, get ready because you're going to start having synchronicities, opportunities, coincidences, and weird things start happening in your life to prove to you

that you're actually the creator of your life instead of the victim of your life. Absolutely! Gosh, there's so much I want to unpack here. One of them is you mentioned something around 75 to 90 percent of people go to the doctor's office, and it's based on an emotional imbalance that probably causes or influences them to be there. Right? They might feel physical pain, but it's based on an emotional state that they've been in for a long time, along with a host of bad choices. Yeah, but a lot of it is emotional as a baseline. That's

exactly correct. You talked about frequency, we talked about emotional signatures, and we talked about identity and personality. When I went to your advanced seven-day experience, you had an entire, I don't know, probably a few-hour explanation about frequencies and energies—the highest level frequency where we could be to allow us to feel more abundant, peaceful, and have balance and harmony, versus the lower-level frequencies that are going to cause us to feel more stress, anger, and feel like we're in constant breakdown. Right? And the higher the frequency we get to, the more conscious we are; the lower the

frequency, the more unconscious we are. Essentially, I'm paraphrasing hours of research and science that you teach during this. What is the lowest level of emotion that will keep us stuck in a non-receivership, a non-abundant mentality, and a place of pain, versus the highest level of emotion that we can be in more frequently that will allow us to feel more peace and harmony in our health, but also in our life? What are those two opposite emotions? Okay, um, I just want to finish the last thought about physical, chemical, and emotional stresses, right? I want to answer

that. So, if you're truly interested in sustaining homeostasis and balance, then you're going to have to self-regulate. Yes. And it would be wonderful, and we're working on this new program called the Inner Health Coalition because we've had so many doctors, so many researchers, and so many healthcare providers come through our events. Many of them have healed themselves from all kinds of health conditions, from spinal cord injuries to stage four cancers, and they really just want to look to see how this model could actually fit in their clinic. There's got to be a different conversation that

can happen around health because chronic health conditions are created from a lifestyle, and if you don't change your lifestyle, nothing is going to change because nothing changes in our life until we change. So then, if you would go to a practitioner where you could actually practice brain and heart coherence, which is our formula, you'll get your heart feeling those elevated emotions—uh, you're sorry? Get your heart feeling those elevated emotions and then get your brain coherent. Do the exercises to get your brain and body back into regulation and into homeostasis. And then, the key element is

not that you react. I mean, who doesn't react? The question is, you're perfect, don’t you? You never react. Right? The question is, how long? Right, how long are you going to do that for? I mean, if you keep it going on, then there must be an addiction. Because an addiction is something you think you can't stop, or knowing something isn't good for you, and you do it anyway. That's when you know you're in it. Right? Right? So, then get that patient to really work on the emotional states that are keeping them and their body in

the past. It's so hard for people, I feel like. Yeah, because up until recently, there haven't been a whole lot of scientifically proven formulas or ways to teach people how to do that. People, by nature, want to get over their emotional state; they’ve just been hypnotized. Programmed, they've been conditioned into using something outside of them to take away this feeling inside. And I'm the pain. Yeah, it's nothing wrong, but you could, you could—you know, you could go watch a movie, or you know, you could do this, you can do that. You know, do all these

different things: go out to dinner just to make the feeling go away. But the problem is, the feeling always comes back, right? And so now, when the person reaches that point where they're saying, "Nothing's making this feeling go away," this is game time. This is where the person's not responding to texts any longer; they're not going to go to dinner with the same people. They don't want to do the same things and watch the same TV shows. They don't want to get on the computer any longer. This feeling is disturbing; nothing's making it go away—no

drug, no shopping spree, no sports car—nothing's making this feeling go. This is a key moment, right? Because now the person is going to start to realize that no one or nothing in their life is going to make this feeling go away but them. And this is the key moment. This is where the person really decides to change. This is because they can see themselves for the first time; they no longer feel like themselves. They're no longer distracted by that; they can see how they think. They can notice how they've been acting and decide, "Oh my

God, I don't want to do that anymore." The choices they've made, or the experiences they just want to no longer do, and the feelings that they no longer want to feel, right? And they start breaking their emotional agreements with everybody and everything in their life. People really get worried because they're no longer predictable; they're not showing up as the memory of themselves, right? So what do you do? You medicate. Then the person's depressed; you know, their midlife crisis—but really, it's the soul saying, "There's a future, and you may not know what it is. You can't

go back to that." Right? You just can't go back any longer. You already know you can predict everything that's going to happen. You've got to start saying no, or you've got to start looking deeper, or you've got to start changing. And this is where it’s so important for people to understand that this is not a bad thing; this is actually a good thing. It just doesn't feel good any longer because you're ready to change, right? So this is what we should be naturally doing. So when the person says, "Oh my God, I want to feel

something else in my life than this," okay, I'm going to watch how I respond to my co-worker. I'm going to watch how I respond to my own thoughts. When did I default today and return back to the old self? And they get really serious about looking closely at how they can change the way they think, act, and feel. We have so many testimonials of people that were diagnosed with chronic health conditions, and they got themselves in their meditations back into elevated emotional states, and changed their energy and changed their frequency. We'll get to that, but

then they wake up from their meditation and spend the next 15 hours in fear and frustration. Why is that, though? Because they went unconscious; they defaulted. So you've got to get so good at doing it with your eyes closed that you start doing it with your eyes open. Oh man, and that's the big game. That's the game. That is the game; that is the game, right? Because this is the plane of demonstration. You've got to demonstrate. So you've got to start— that's why the walking meditations are so important in our work. Because you've got to

walk as if you're going to be relaxed in your heart and awaken your brain, you better do it with your eyes open. So let's practice with ourselves; there's no other way to do it. You want to get so good at it that you can do it in the most adverse situations—you know, and you own it, right? So then the person then realizes that she had to watch her response to her ex, she had to watch her response to her bank account, she had to watch her response to the news— all of those things. No drug,

no surgery, no chemo, no radiation, no diet, no supplements were taking her health condition away until she realized she had to change. Right? So now she noticed, during her meditations, her pain levels went down. She noticed she was sleeping better. She knew she had more energy, but her values for that health condition were still the same. And she said, "It's not that this doesn't work." She wasn't doing her meditations any longer to heal; she was doing her meditations to change. And so then she'd say, "Okay, what do I want to believe today? What thought do

I want to fire and wire in my brain?" Only remember it! I gotta keep remembering so I don't forget to think this way. A belief is just a thought you keep thinking over and over again. Since you want to hardwire that in her brain, she wanted that to be a new voice in her head because thoughts that wire together fire together, right? So then, how am I going to behave? Closing your eyes and rehearsing how you're going to be with your ex; literally, there's got to be another way to be. I can't respond the way

I... Have response, it’s only weakening me. I gotta change my state. Okay, I’m gonna be loving. Let me rehearse it: mental rehearsal. We keep doing it, rehearsing yourself in the scene, planning your behaviors. Your brain will look like you already did it, and if you keep doing it, it’s going to become more and more automatic; it’s going to become like a software program. So, the brain looks like the experience has already happened, and now you have hardware and software in place to use when you’re with your ex because you installed it right. So now you’re

doing the meditation to remind yourself who you no longer want to be and remind yourself who you do want to be. Okay, the person now behaves that way, and now her response to her ex is different. Evolution that day, and the body’s no longer brought back to the past. She does it once, and she wants to do it again; she wants to get better at it. She starts healing, and she says, “I gotta stay in this emotional state. I don’t care who it is or what it is. Let me close my eyes; I’m going to

feel this emotion a hundred times if I have to, just so that I can feel it so many times that I can bring it up whenever I want.” Now they’re becoming familiar with a new state of being, right? When you feel the emotion of your future before it happens, you’ll always believe in that future. Wow! And if you feel the emotion that keeps you connected to your past, you’ll believe in your past, and that’s just the way it is. Then you return back to the same self, your same biology: thinking the same thoughts, making the

same choices, doing the same things, creating the same experiences, feeling the same emotions. In your biology, your neural circuitry, your neurochemistry, your hormones, your gene expression all stay the same because you just return back to the same. Okay, so we said seven days: taking a group of people, is what I said to the scientists at the University of California, San Diego, seven days. The biology stays the same, and they all agreed. I said, “Give people new information; combine quantum physics with neuroscience, with neuroendocrinology, with psychoneuroimmunology, with epigenetics, with electromagnetism. Build models of understanding; get people

to learn new information. They’re gonna have new thoughts.” Now give them the instructions so they can make a new choice, do a new thing, create a new experience, and feel a new emotion. Will their biology change in seven days? Lo and behold, the change was way greater than we ever expected. Novice meditators—people who never came to a week-long event, never really meditated that much—the novice meditators, by the end of seven days, their biology looked like they were living in a whole new life. And it wasn’t, you know, 20 or 10 percent; it was the majority

of the collective. Now all of those people have different genomes, different genotypes, and they’re all different cultures, different races, different ages. But when we look at the biology of gene expression, they’re signaling the same genes; they’re making the same proteins. The collective, the herd, the flock, a school of fish—there’s biology that is an emergent biology that’s changing collectively. The probability of that happening is, it’s insanely minimal—let me just say that. So then, think differently, make a different choice, do a different thing, create a new experience, feel new emotion. Keep doing that; your biology will change,

and that’s exactly how people heal. The emotions that keep us, I would say, in our more limited animal, a million human state, have everything to do with anger, aggression, fear, anxiety, suffering, pain, guilt, and shame. All of those—think of a think as energy, as emotion. So, those emotions should ultimately be retired as wisdom because the memory, without the emotional charge, is wisdom. And now the game is over, and you’re ready for a new experience. You can’t go to the future holding on to the emotion of the past, right? So you gotta overcome that emotional state.

So then, while you start feeling gratitude, you start feeling more gratitude; you start feeling love, you start feeling more love. You start feeling kind and start feeling care. You start feeling appreciation; you start feeling creative. You start feeling inspired; you practice feeling those emotions, and you get that heart of yours back into balance. We discover that once energy makes it to the heart, it’s going right to the brain, and it’s going to go straight up, and it’s going to tell the brain in that moment—the heart is the creative center. It’s safe to create, and the

person moves out of survival. And the brain, like grabbing a big sheet and going like that, creates a wave of energy right to the brain—coherent energy of the brain—and the brain goes into a creative alpha state. The brain is getting information; the heart is informing the brain: “Think of something new; think of a new possibility.” It’s a creative state, and the person starts seeing pictures and images. Well, keep sustaining that relaxed in your heart and awaken your brain. We still see how long people can hang with that. We got their brain and heart hooked up

together, and then here it comes—you start seeing resonance taking place. There are waves riding waves and faster waves building on waves. So, delta, the base, is carrying theta, but it’s a harmonic, and theta’s carrying alpha, and alpha is carrying beta. Beta’s carrying... High bait and high beta is going in the gamma, and then, when that occurs, the person is feeling ecstasy. There's an arousal—an arousal taking place in the nervous system—but the arousal is in fear. It's not fear; it's not anger; it's not pain. That's typically what creates an arousal. Arousal is ecstasy. So, the person

who's feeling wholeness; they're feeling connected; they're feeling aware; they're super conscious. The brain is no longer in just coherence; the brain is in resonance. There are waves carrying waves; there are harmonics; there's order within order; there's patterns within patterns; nested observer windows. The brain is functioning mathematically. And so, you see that happening, and you ask the person, from their subjective experience, how did that feel? They say, “I felt so whole. I felt such bliss. I felt such connection. I felt such pure love. I no longer wanted anything. I no longer...” It's impossible to want when

you're in that state; that desire is for something. Yeah, there's no—you’re in wholeness, the exact opposite. And that's the place to create from, right? It's not from lack because lack means, “I'm going to wait for that thing to happen out there to take away the lack of separation from not having it.” Right? This is like your body's believing it's already in that future, and that's exactly what we discovered at the end of seven days. People move into that state, and they're making thousands of metabolites; information is in their blood at the end of seven days.

It wasn't there before, and they're not taking any exogenous substance; they're not changing their diet. It's coming from within them. So then, the person who starts feeling wholeness, it gets very difficult to describe those emotions. That's ineffable. I mean, we ask people, “What was it?” and they just well up in tears and say, “I don't know. It's the most familiar, unfamiliar feeling I've ever had, like I'm remembering what I forgot, like I forgot that I'm this... I am pure love. I am... I am this.” You know, and I think when we have those experiences—at least

when I've had those experiences—I think the takeaway is that it didn't come from out there, from anyone or anything; it came from within me. And I think that's the real fundamental moment where people stop looking outside of them. It's always been within them, and that relationship that they develop. Okay, yeah, we all take hard knocks during our lives, and we all have stressors in our lives, and we're all trying to do as much as we can, and you know, walk the tightrope. But a person who every single day says, “I'm not going to get up

from my meditation until I absolutely feel like I'm that person,” man, it's a very different game. Because people say, “Why do you do your meditations in the morning?” I say, “Because if I can overcome me, the rest of my day is easy.” Right? I mean, I can overcome anybody, right? So how long are you gonna sit with you? That's one of the things on our week-long events. You know, I'm on the stage watching the whole thing. By the fourth day or so—first day everybody's all over the place—fourth day or so, everybody's like this; they're just

sitting right there. They're paying complete attention. I say to them, “What if you sat with yourself this long where you actually liked yourself?” They're all completely present—completely present. Their mind is not wandering anywhere because they've practiced for the last four days to catch that thought of the worst-case scenario and bring it back. That's a victory. Yes, that's a victory. That's not—you didn't do your meditation well; catching yourself going unconscious and becoming conscious and disinvesting your attention and energy out of that predictable future back into the present moment is executing a will that's greater than that

program, and that is a victory. That's not, “Why didn't you meditate?” You're actually doing it right. Then, all of a sudden, your mind defaults and wanders to some past memory of a person or a thing or circumstance. You start feeling that emotion, and all of a sudden you start getting frustrated or impatient. And instead of getting up and saying, “I can't meditate,” you notice that you're siphoning energy out of the present moment into the past. You settle your body down out of frustration, and you move back into the present moment. That's a victory, and you're

telling the body, “It's no longer the mind that I'm the mind, and I didn't do your meditation wrong; you're actually doing it right.” You're conditioning the body to a new mind. Keep doing that over and over again. David starts getting a hand on Goliath, and it's uncomfortable, and it's tedious, and it takes energy, and it takes awareness. And you've got to hang in there. The hardest part of every war is the last battle. And just when you think you're done, oh man, you gotta go a little further. If I take people past that point—and there's

a collective group of people—and they say, “I can't go any further,” and I go a little further because the person next to them is a sweet little woman in her 70s, and they're in 30 and buffed, and like, “I can't go see if she's not gone; I'm not sure.” And then they go and they go a little further, that's when the brain changes the most because they just broke out of the known into the unknown, and nothing dangerous happened, nothing scary happened; there was no threat, there was no danger. And people start relaxing more into

the unknown. Turns out that's the perfect place to create from. Wow. So, the side effect of these higher states... Of consciousness, these greater frequencies are energies. The outcome is really of managing our attention and energy and inhibiting the thoughts that produce those hormones and feelings, and no longer driving the body into a lower denominator. Sooner or later, if you keep doing that, energy moves only in one direction: it moves up, and it moves into the heart. Once it makes its way to the heart, it's going right to the brain, and the person, all of a

sudden, starts feeling relaxed and awake instead of stressed out, unconscious, and in a program. So the idea then is to be able to get very good at doing that with your eyes open. The practice of doing that in your daily life is living in a different state of being, independent of what's going on in your outer world—thinking differently, acting differently, and feeling differently in the same reality until it changes. Right? Because most of us, it seems, are awake but unconscious, and what I’m hearing you say is we've got to practice having our eyes open and

being conscious at the same time. Exactly! That's the whole purpose of doing the work, right? Because, I mean, you're doing the work so you don't default. The default is automatic; it's so quick. You have one stray thought or one impulsive response, and then you've just lost your state of being. If you blame someone, saying, "It's that person" or "that circumstance," I'm going to say to you, "Uh-oh, you're back to that unconscious program, being a victim, thinking that that person or that circumstance is controlling how you feel and how you think." You’re a consequence of that

here and now. Sooner or later, how many times do you have to forget until you stop forgetting and start remembering? That's the moment of change. Breaking a habit is one thing, but breaking a habit of being yourself is another thing. Well, here’s the thing: I went on practice for a second for someone watching or listening who's thinking, "Okay, Dr. Jill, I’m sure you've had some challenges in your life, but you don’t have the type of challenges I have. You don’t have the childhood trauma that I faced; you don’t have the parents who were just, you

know, detached and didn’t show love to me. You don’t have the bullying that I went through; you don’t have the financial burden that I’m faced with right now and have been in debt for most of my life. You don’t have the constant heartbreak I felt from all these different relationships. I’m sure you’ve had some challenges, but I’ve really suffered. I’ve really gone through so much pain that I don’t even believe I’m deserving of being healthy and well because all of my evidence from the past is showing that I’m unlovable—that people are going to abandon me,

abuse me, and the world is against me. How do you get people to understand that they are deserving of health and this, you know, state of love and gratitude when they continue to convince themselves about the past and cannot see or believe in a future greater than their past?" I’d ask them, "How long do you want to tell that story? I mean, how long do you want to tell that story?" Because you believe it as if it's the truth; you behave as if it's the truth, and you've ultimately become it. That’s the end of that

person's emotional belief. I just want them to tell a different story. In fact, you can’t tell me any longer that you’ve had a brutal past and you can’t do this work. You can’t tell me that—because we’ve had some people with some really brutal pasts, yes, really, really difficult pasts. We’re talking about abuse, molestation, trauma, murder—veterans, Navy SEALs—people who've witnessed and seen really horrible things and had really horrible moments. And they had all kinds of health conditions. The trauma wasn’t just in their brain; the trauma was in their body because it was the emotion that kept

them in the past. They couldn’t get past that emotion. They tried everything—all the plant medicines, all the diets—everything. They just couldn’t get past it; they just didn’t know how to do it. The matter is they couldn't get past the memory; they just didn’t understand why they were there and what to do to help them to get out. So, many of these people that had brutal pasts also had really difficult health challenges. They had endometriosis, they had depression, they had night terrors, suicidal tendencies, blackouts, vertigo, ovarian cysts—you know, all kinds of crazy things. And they did

the work because nothing else was working. Many of them came to the point where they did their meditation every single day—every day; they never missed a day—because nothing else was working. They believed that this could work; they just didn’t believe it could work for them. Right? So they were doing their meditations to actually believe. They had to change their emotional state, and they reached the point. Typically, when they come to the weeklong events, because I stretch people a little further, they think, "Wow, you're already feeling a little better," and they were already doing better. But

they reached the point where they just thought, "Oh my God, this is the worst feeling I've ever had in my life. I don't think I’d go any further." And then they think, "Oh my God, I've never missed a day in my meditations. I can't give up on me now," and they go one more time. The words that we hear over and over again are always the... Same; it's like my heart blew wide open. It was like my heart exploded. It was like my heart opened up all the way. I felt something move through my heart,

and I felt more love than I had felt in my entire life. And they looked back at their entire past, and they didn't want to change one thing in their past because, with the feeling that they had, they realized they had to go through all of that to get to the present moment. And that's the moment the past no longer exists. They look at their betrayers, they look at their molesters, they look at the tyrants, and they have nothing but compassion and love for them. The relationship changes with those people, and the moment their heart

blows open, the body literally comes out of the past because when energy makes it to the heart, it resets the baseline in the brain and the autonomic nervous system for trauma. It says it's over, and the body literally moves out of the past. And the side effect of that? There goes the depression, there goes the endometriosis, here go the night terrors. The person, they don't want to change anything in their past; they'll tell you, "This all had to happen for me to change." So many people with diseases will say, "I just didn't know it. I

would have never changed. I would have never changed unless I had this health condition. I would have never changed. This was the push for me to change." And they would say, "I was too sick to do their meditation at the beginning." But you know what? There were days they felt really bad, and they could have said, "I don't feel like doing my meditation today." But guess what? They did it anyway, and they overcame their bodies a little bit more that day. There were days they had a lot of self-doubt because their condition was getting worse,

and their family was worried about them. They could have said, "This is too much! I have too much doubt. I can't do this." Guess what? They did it anyway, and they overcame their doubt a little bit more. Yeah, and there were days when they had a lot of fear because they were given the voodoo curse that they had six months to live or a year to live. And like I said, they might have thought, "I have too much fear today; I can't do my meditation." But they did it anyway. Instead of surrendering to the fear,

they surrendered to love. And it was the overcoming process that was the becoming process; that is the unlearning process. If 95 percent of how we're hardwired— in terms of attitudes, beliefs, perceptions, how we're habituated in terms of behaviors and actions, and how we're conditioned into our emotional responses—then it's going to take a lot of work in the overcoming process because you’ve got to get so conscious that you don't go unconscious again. And you, as a process of going unconscious, need to reach the point where you no longer go unconscious, and you stay conscious. You ask

that person, "Where is the disease now? Where is it now?" They'll tell you, "It's in the old person. It's the old guy. It's that person, the settled person. It's not me. I'm not that victim anymore. I'm not that person anymore." And again, they were doing their meditations to change. They were doing their meditations three times a day, not because they wanted their meditations to heal them; they just defaulted back to the old self, and they started disbelieving a bit again. So they were doing their meditations every day to believe. They would not get up until

they felt the feeling of that future because they knew consciously, "If I could feel this emotion, I’m signaling genes ahead of the environment, and I'm going to keep feeling this feeling with the intention of signaling the gene." And that was their intention. Of course, they started producing a greater outcome, so they were doing their meditations to strengthen their belief three times a day because they lost their belief. Now, you can't say to me, "You're too out of shape," or "You're too in shape," or "You're too unhealthy," or "You're too old," or "You're too young." You

saw we have people that are 12 years old or 10 years old who come to our retreats. We have hundreds of kids that come at the age of 25; you know, a huge youth community. We have people that are in their 90s and their 80s who have elegant brain scans and beautiful heart coherence. You can't tell me you're too old to do it. You know, you can't tell me you're too young. You can't tell me you're too sick. You can't tell me you had a brutal past or that you're out of shape. You can't say

any of those things any longer. I mean, no one's so special to be excluded from this process. And again, I think one of the things I'm ingesting part of the time here, but one of the things that people need is knowledge and information. I mean, the data that we have in our scientific research just tells us that we're greater than we think, more powerful than we know, more unlimited than we could ever dream. The testimonials of people standing on the stage— you’ve seen them with stage four cancers that spread to their bones, to their liver,

to their lungs, to their pelvic organs. They can't walk; they were in so much pain. No drug trial, no chemo, no radiation, no surgery— changing a diet was changing them, and now they're up there with no evidence of cancer. You hear that story. It's the four-minute mile. Yeah, that is evidence; it's the loudest voice. Yes, and when you see a person that doesn't look vegan, doesn't look young, doesn't look buffed, that had people steal money from them, that they lost everything, they slit their wrists, they would have horrible, but bankrupt. They're worth millions now, and

they're living a happy life, and they've got a great relationship, and their health conditions are all better. You’ve got to scratch your head, and you’ve got to look, and you’ve got to say, "Well, if that person can do it, I think I can do it," right? And then there's number two, and then there's number three, and then there's number four; then there are thousands and thousands. Now we had seven people step out of wheelchairs in our last event in Denver. I couldn't believe it—people with spinal cord injuries, with brain tumors, with head trauma, with myasthenia

gravis, with MS, with ALS. I mean, it's crazy! It just takes one, and then a collective consciousness. Now it's possible, right? It's fascinating. When I was at your event, and we did the coherence healings towards the end—obviously, once we practiced more of the meditations and understood the science and research, and we really dove in on it and did the 3 AM, you know, five or six-hour meditations, and all these different things we did—it’s a beautiful thing to witness serving others who need healing with your consciousness collectively. It's an incredible thing to witness and to feel

the energy. Now, it's not a false, fake energy; you're feeling like you're healing yourself as you're intending consciously to heal someone else. Yeah, which is… it happens. We just had somebody just on the stage who had trigeminal neuralgia; it's severe facial pain. Oh wow! She got on stage and said, "I wanted someone to cut my head off." Oh man, she said that's how bad the pain was! I could never get away from it. She said during that coherent healing, "My heart blew wide open; I felt so much love." She said, "I have no pain in

my face. I've done every therapy; I've done every drug. I've taken everything, every narcotic. Everything has never changed. I have no pain." Like that instantaneous change? That's crazy! So when you see… I know this is insane. We've had more than one person that had vision problems all of a sudden start to see. We've had more than one person with hearing problems start to hear—it just happened recently. It's not uncommon for people. We had a guy that lost his speech; he couldn't talk. He's talking now—he's a happy guy! I've seen people with Parkinson's disease, with bilateral

breast cancer; I've seen spinal cord injuries. I've seen all kinds of different health conditions in one, one or two, or three coherence healings have a complete change. It's a really cool thing because people are never being touched; they're just listening and changing information in the field. It's not matter that's creating the field; it's the field that's creating matter. So if you change the information in the field, could you change the hologram in three-dimensional reality? And that's exactly what we teach. Oh my gosh! And that's exactly what we start to see. Tumor is the illusion; it's

the holograms, the information in the field. If you change the information in the field, can you change the destiny of matter? And when people start to understand it, and they can piece it together, and they've been practicing all week overcoming themselves, they have to do that. If they practice all week opening their heart, they practice all week bringing heart coherence, now it's time to put it all together. But now this time, it's not about you. That's someone's mother down there; that's someone's best friend; that's someone's kid; you know that's someone's cousin; that's someone's uncle; that's

somebody. Yeah? And I just ask them to actually show up and be the healer that they would want to be healed by. It's beautiful; it's really cool! I mean, in the last 30 seconds, using vocabulary and language, explaining anything, is that some people might say, "What is this quantum field in 3D and hologram?" And that's kind of the tip of the iceberg for what you go into for these seven days. And you know one of your quotes that I love is, "The quantum field responds not to what we want; it responds to who we are

being." And when you or I am wanting to serve someone with so much love, when I fill my heart up and have brain-heart coherence with love and gratitude, healing vibration, and I spread that energy onto someone else, whether it's a stranger or someone I love, and they're in alignment with that, there is a vibration between the two. I’m getting chills just thinking about it. Now, there’s a vibration; you sort of have a waving of a sheet that connects in the middle, and in the center is this power of love that is healing. Yeah, it is

a beautiful thing. One of the things I wanted to ask you about this frequency, this emotion, this love: is it possible to heal ourselves with our thoughts and with meditation alone? And is it possible to heal another with our thoughts, our love, our heart coherence alone, even if they don't respond to it and they're not doing it themselves? Is it possible to influence without them doing the work? Yeah, that's a really great question. Gosh, I think my belief in what's possible has changed dramatically in the last two years. I'm not the... same person. Because of

the things that I've witnessed, I mean, I, I, I saw a person with muscular dystrophy that was in a wheelchair for 12 years— a young guy. If you study muscular dystrophy, um, there's no cure, no coming back. There's no coming back. And, um, I think I saw this video: yeah, they lit him up and he was out of his wheelchair— he’s walking around in his life now. I mean, that, that, I mean, I can't go back to business as usual after I watched that. I watched that video a hundred times. I just don’t want to

forget what’s possible. I was being interviewed for a documentary, and the interviewer, unbeknownst to me— I didn’t know anything about it— said, “What about the woman in your work that grew her thyroid back?” I was like, “What? Like, what are you talking about?” She said, “Yeah, she grew her thyroid back.” I’m like, “What? I didn’t know anything about it!” I’m like, “No.” She’s like, “Yeah, yeah, we have new medical records and everything, and this woman grew her thyroid.” Wow! Like, uh, it stretched me, you know? And so, okay, um, there’s a lot that has to

happen for us to make this journey, right? You get diagnosed with a health condition, and it’s a terminal health condition or chronic health condition, and you’re compromised in some way, and you’re reliant on something to get you back in health and balance, and that’s what the conventional model is. But if it isn’t working, you guys started looking. Some people just, they shrink into mediocrity, and they stay there. Other people are bothered by it, and they’re going to look for answers. Okay, so the person starts looking for answers. We had some lady that someone accidentally mailed

my book, *You Are the Placebo*, to her house, and she didn’t order it. She just put it on her coffee table, and she had Parkinson’s disease. Finally, after like three months, she picked up the book, and she saw the brain scans on Parkinson’s. She started doing the meditations, she came to the week-long retreat, she completely healed from Parkinson's, and she was on stage telling the story. I was just crazy, right? So now the person heals herself, okay? As an example. Now, a person who heals himself— I’ve seen Green Berets, I’ve seen Navy SEALs with a

lot of physical and emotional health conditions really heal. The only thing they want to do is they want to give— they want to bring it to their people, they want to bring it to their tribe, they want to bring it to the people they love. And then the really, the intention is: I want to heal somebody else, right? So you’re healed, and the next thing is you want to heal somebody else by the word. So now what? Your model has to change. If I heal myself and I’ve actually changed my energy, can I heal another

person? And that’s exactly what we do. We say, “Okay, now that you can change your health, can you change another’s health? Let’s build a model of understanding and let’s do that.” And we did the model of understanding. All of a sudden, I see people stepping out of wheelchairs left and right, and blind people seeing crazy things going on— a lot of remissions of diseases. I’m more surprised about that than anybody. COVID happens, and then we’re like, “Hmm, can we actually, if we’re in the quantum field and there’s no separation there, can we just hit a

target? Just give us a picture, coordinate.” We have remote coherence, and these people do it— they do it every day. They’re machines; they do it— they never miss a day. They would never miss a day. And the reason they’d never miss a day is because they get so much out of it. And they’re not doing it— they’re trying to heal another. They’re not trying to heal another; they’re actually healing another that is not even there. They don’t even know. They’re not even in the same room; they’re spread across the world, and they’re hitting a target.

They’re hitting a target. They see an image, and they visualize nature as that target. They go to the fields, and they hold that person in their heart, and they just— and they change their energy. So then the model builds more. Now, can you heal at a remote location? The answer is absolutely yes. In fact, our studies with UC San Diego are insane. I said to the scientists, “When in your life did you think you would be sitting here talking about the effects of remote coherence healings that are working as well as drugs, if not better

than drugs?” Actually, when would you have thought you could be talking about this? So, our data suggests that it’s real, right? With a triple-blind placebo study, there’s absolutely no doubt that these people are causing some profound effects. We just published another paper about the mathematical synchronization of the heart and of groups of people that collectively get together— how they synchronize. You know, we published a paper; it’s mathematical— it’s real, right? It’s a lot of science. But there’s some effect that’s happening in the people’s hearts that are feeling the same amount of love—they’re entraining to a

similar resonance, a similar frequency. Okay, so now they did an amazing, amazing study— a preliminary study on autistic children. Okay, now I’m telling you this because I want you to know that this isn’t conjecture; this is reality. Boys, young boys— between the... Ages I think of six and twelve, and these are problematic kids. They've done the physical therapy, the occupational therapy, the speech therapy, the inhibition therapy, the talk therapy. They've tried the nutrients, the vitamins—they've tried everything—and then they're not responding. They haven't changed much. They're head bangers, um, they're incontinent, they don't sleep, they're obsessive,

they have outbursts, they have no sociability, they have no gross and fine motor skills, and their language is compromised. Now, we decided instead of doing scientific analysis, we decided to have the best scientists take a look at their kids, and that's the parents, right? So we did. Parents know every single thing about that kid because they have all their attention. You know every habit; they know every behavior and every obsession. Six weeks, two times a week, these kids—at the end of six weeks—were speaking in complete sentences, sleeping through the night, taking naps, walking themselves to

school, using the toilet, no longer defecating or urinating in their bed, hugging their parents when they come home, asking for what they want, jumping on the trampoline, being in school plays. It's insane! It's... the parents are overjoyed; their lives have changed dramatically because their kid is somehow changed; they are smiling more, engaging more. Right? They're not even in the room, and they're producing these effects. So back to your question: This is an evolution. You never know what you'll think differently until you have a new experience, right? A new experience causes you to think of possibilities

you would never have thought of before. And there are infinities because you and I are making known unknown possibilities by having a new experience; we start thinking of other ways, and that's consciousness. It's a never-ending process of self-discovery that answers the question, "Who am I?" Right? So then, what we discovered is that in our data collection, people that are the most desperate tend to be the less likely to respond because they're waiting for their healing to feel gratitude. They haven't realized that when they feel gratitude, their healing begins. Right? So that's not a problem; we

just have to work with them to get them out of that state, and that's what I do when everybody's getting ready. I work with the healers. We noticed that people who are actually in the river of change, who are actually working on changing something about themselves, receive that energy better. We notice that when people are grateful, super grateful to be there, that energy just hits them; it hits them really big. But we also see that people who don't do the work, who just sit there, it's just their moment. It's just their moment, and they get

lit up. I've seen bodies contort, twist, and convulse and turn red and shake. I mean, I've seen grown men scream at the top of their lungs. The guy that lost his voice for two years and was ready to take his life—wow! He had one moment. He never was touched. The moment people walked in the room, he said, "I felt this ball of energy right in my heart, this guy in my throat." This guy's not a "woo-woo" guy; he's a businessman. He was just ready—it was his moment. And then I heard him yelling so loud because

the energy was so intense, and he was coming up off the ground. I was watching him. Then he'd fall back down and come up again. Nobody was touching him; they were all with their eyes closed, having no idea what was going on. Eighty percent of his voice came back after that first intervention, after the coherence healing. After the coherence, yeah, it's on the stage. He tells the story, of course. What do you think is going to happen to the energy in the room? People are just going to go more in, right? Now their belief is

just elevated. The person that stands on the stage, who no longer has a stage for cancer, tells their story. Yeah, they're no longer in a wheelchair. They were in a wheelchair for seven years. You shake your head and you're like, "I don't want people to forget that; I don't want them to freak out. I don't want them to go back to business as usual." I want them—once you know, you can't not know. Absolutely. And you've got to keep—it's so much easier to forget this information than to remember it because it goes against the program. Right?

It's so easy to forget if you're not practicing consistently. One of the things that I've been doing for the last year since I went to the advanced retreat was, you know, almost every morning, either in the morning or at night, I'm putting on one of your meditations. Even if I only feel like I have limited time, I'll at least put on a 10-minute morning or evening meditation. I think the one you did like eight years ago or something, right? And there are so many new ones that Martha is always putting on. We were in the

sauna three nights ago, and she put a 30-minute meditation on in the sauna, and talk about elevated emotion! It was like a whole other level of, "I'm in pain, but how do we not feel the pain?" How do we connect? Two hundred degrees, and I was like, "Okay, Dr. Joe's speaking to me right now." Um, but the consistency of it has allowed me to continue to feel peace and gratitude. And love in my heart, yeah, doesn't mean I don't have breakdowns or frustrations, or, um, you know, things that I have to deal with. I notice

when I do it less consistently; if there are times where I do it less and react to things more, I feel more stuck. I feel more physical pain trapped inside of me because, you know, the difference between living in a whole different state is notable. You go back to that state, and you can notice the difference greater. One hundred percent, yeah. And, um, like you said towards the beginning, once you know, you never want to go back. You just want to keep staying in this beautiful, elevated state of emotional peace, harmony, and coherence with thinking

and feeling. It's an incredible feeling. I know people are probably taking a ton of notes, and there’s so much they want to take action on. You have a walk happening soon called “Walk for the Dot World.” We're going to link all this up. I want to link up the research paper. I want to get people your meditations because this is something I practice almost daily. I want to give people your books, so we’re going to link all these things up. Can you tell us, before we wrap up, what this walk around the world is, how

people can get involved, and also, if they can only do a couple of things each day, what can they do on a daily basis as a habit to help them improve their health? Also, what can we do with walkforthe.world? Yeah, okay, so I'll ask the first question: three types of stress: physical, chemical, and emotional. Three types of balance: physical, chemical, emotional. Get two out of those three in order; the third one typically comes around. Get more emotionally balanced, and more physically balanced, and you're going to be more chemically balanced. Yeah, get more chemically balanced or

emotionally balanced, and you'll be more physically balanced, right? But you have to do an inventory every day. You have to ask yourself before you start your day, you know, what do I want to bring to the world? Who do I want to become? Let me become that person. Let me disconnect from my outer world. Let me close my eyes, let me play some music, fill the space; let me not eat anything, smell anything, taste anything, let me not move around, experience anything, and feel anything. Let me make my inner world more real than my outer

world. Let me remind myself of that 95 percent: the way I think, the way I act, the way I feel. Let me just get so conscious of those thoughts. If I can, I’ll start tomorrow. It’s too late; it’s her fault, it’s his fault, I don’t want something wrong with me. Get really aware of how I speak, how I act. Do I complain? Do I blame them? Do I make excuses? Do I feel sorry for myself? What emotions are my primary emotions? What is my default? Those anxieties, is it fear? Is it self-pity? Is it unworthiness?

What is that? Let’s just get real about it. Okay, great. A great day would be not going there the whole day, and if I catch myself, I’m going to catch myself, and I’m not going to say I failed because that’s a program. I’m going to say, “I caught myself, okay? I’m going to change it now.” Let me remind myself of the thoughts I do want to think; let me remember them so I don’t forget them. Let me rehearse my behaviors in my mind so I can do it when I have the opportunity. I want to

evolve my life; I want to involve my experience. How am I going to feel today? That I would want to feel this feeling? Keep bringing it up until I can forget it. And then don’t get up. Do not get up until you feel that way. If it takes you an hour, it’d be worth it. Yeah, and when it’s the hardest, it matters the most. Yes, so that’s a simple thing to do that anybody can do. But it’s the experiment—the experiment isn’t like, “I’m doing good,” or “I did it right,” or “I succeeded,” or “God loves

me,” or none of that. It’s doing it to see. The experiment is: if I change the way I think, if I change the way I act, if I change the way I feel, will my life change? The answer should be yes because if you’re choosing to evolve your experience, your life should change. That personality is how you think, how you act, and how you feel. That personality is intimately connected to your personal reality. Oh my gosh! If you’re not going to change your personality, you’re not going to change your personal reality. Most people try to

create a new personal reality that has the same personality—it doesn’t work. We’ve got to become somebody else. A simple, practical thing: people say this to me all the time, “I have this health goal; I have this wealth goal,” and I say to them, “That health goal and that wealth goal, you’re going to have to go from this person to that person. You will never get to that goal until you change. You cannot. When you make it about change, watch out, because the hardest part about change is not making the typical choice that you always make.”

And that’s the process of discomfort. You just gotta get good at being uncomfortable. Yes, you just gotta be so good at being uncomfortable that you can sit there and actually regulate and change that really horrible state into something else. Absolutely! And so then if... You keep doing that; your life should change. I mean, that's the way it should be. It's a constant practice—it's a constant practice of being awake. And remember, when you're awake and remembering the future, I think I told you my friend Humble the Poet has a tattoo right here. It says, "Remember the

Future." After one of our first interviews, he got that, and it constantly reminds him to not think about the past and the pain and the worry, the frustration from something that happened, but to remember his potential and step into that now. Yeah, um, Walk for the Dot World—what is this and how can we get involved? Um, well, gosh, I don't know about you, but I think I know you well enough. Just how the world seems really different these days. And I think that the world needs a change. I think there's an energy that you and

I have when we make up our minds to change. It's an energy, and when you make up your mind to change, you combine a clear intention with an elevated emotion, and that's a powerful signature of energy in the field. That’s the moment your body starts responding to your mind, and you're giving your body a taste of the future emotionally, and you're changing your state of being. Keep that up, and your life changes. Right? Nothing changes until you change. Change your energy, change your life. Okay, the world can change without you. The world can change without

me. The world can't change without anybody. If we get enough people to change, we could actually change the world. So what if you had thousands of people? We have 152 different countries registered right now for this Walk for the World on September 23rd. You don’t have to do this work. If you've never done walking meditation before, you just show up, and you're going to have to leave something behind—something that you want to see in the world. Then, you're going to have to walk as that. That walk is not only for the walking meditation; at the

end of that walk, it just begins, because you’ve got to be able to walk out into your life and show people what love does. You've got to show them what greatness looks like. You’ve got to show them what nobility and character are. You’ve got to have an uncompromising will. You’ve got to be able to face adversity and be relaxed in your heart and awaken your brain and completely disagree and be unintimidated by it. I mean, that's the new consciousness. There is an energy of change, and with that energy of change comes a new consciousness. You

get enough people together, moving into a new state of being, and conscious of a change in the world in some way. Thousands of people—we're at 50,000 people right now, and we have over 2,100 groups organized around the world to do this one incredible thing. I will be one of many that we do, but it is a walk for the world, and we have to show up as that which we want to see as change in the world. So it’ll be September 23rd when we'll have the meditation available. You can go to the website and register.

We recommend registering. We'll send you the meditation. It'll be a big day. We're partnering with some organizations, and even if we just change the trajectory just two degrees from that cliff we're headed off of, we've got a little bit more time. We do it again; we’re moving further away. Incredible. And I think that Collective networks of observers determine reality. The coming of a new consciousness—this emergent consciousness is not just one person; it's collective. We need an immersion consciousness—the flock of birds, the school of fish—there's no leader. Everybody’s leading; everybody’s behaving the same way. The appearance

of that collective group of organisms gives the appearance of a larger organism, and there's power in numbers. So our idea is to peacefully make a difference in the world in some way and to practice being that change we want to see, to get caught up in the energy of it, so that at the end of that walk, you feel like there's hope again. Absolutely, the world needs some hope, big time. Dr. Joe, I'm going to link all this up—Walk for the Dot World. You need to run to the website for your Advanced Retreat because if

you can get there, then you can go all in. Which you saw me there—I was all in! Dude, you were all in. I was the first one, like, "Let's go! Whatever you tell me to do, I'm all in! I'm doing the crazy screaming—whatever it is, I'm in it!" But the great thing about you is that we discovered that if you go all in, you're gonna change. We know that for a fact now. That just means you show up. You're only as good as your last meditation, and then you let it go, and you go again.

Yeah, that’s it. You keep going—you’ve got to keep being consistent. But me and Martha did it; we loved it! I've recommended a bunch of people to go since then; they’ve loved it once they finally got in. Go there if you get a chance. Download your meditations; you’ve got a ton of meditations on your website. Listen to the morning and evening routine if you feel like, "Ah, I don't want to go too long right away." They’re 10 minutes, 15 minutes each. Yeah, we have 15, like 15 minutes, 30 minutes, 20 minutes—you’ve got so many long ones!

Yeah, but you can just get started with a 10-minute meditation in the morning and evening. I think I recommend everyone to get started with that. For what we talked about, the morning and evening is really practical. Yes, but I really feel like knowledge is the precursor to experience, so it's important to understand what we’re doing and why we’re doing it; the how gets easier. Gaining information about it helps the meditation be more meaningful. Absolutely! Go in, and if you don’t really understand it, read something that helps you remove conjecture, doubt, superstition, dogma—I don't like any

of that stuff. Sure, sure. So, get a little information to help you understand the whatnot. Go through more information; you’ve got a ton of the research papers up on your website as well. We’ll have that linked up. And if you guys, you know, leave a comment on the biggest takeaway from today’s episode, I know there are going to be tons of notes and comments, but what was the biggest takeaway for you? What resonated? What stood out? Share this with a friend you think would help them as well. And, Dr. Joe, I’m just so grateful for

you. I don’t know how many times I’ve had you on, but I think I was looking at it earlier today—our interviews have over 40 million views! Wow, just on YouTube! A lot! Wow, that’s not just the audio; it’s probably even more—way more! And, you know, I love when we come together. I love this type of information. I'm always learning here. Well, advanced more than I am. I’m constantly just trying to grasp onto some of your information and apply it, because every time I apply your content and do the work, I get better results. I feel

better about my life; I feel more peace and more harmony. If I can share that with others to help them get more of that, then that’s exciting for me. So, I appreciate you. I know people want more of you—they can follow you on social media, they can go to the events. You’ll be back on soon, so make sure you’re here for another interview. We’re going to talk about some more amazing things. Dr. Joe, thanks so much. Thank you so much for being here, brother. I appreciate it. Who controls the information? The right information controls reality.

My job, my interest, is to give people the information to empower them to be the creator of their life and not be stuck in the program that they need someone or something to make them happy or to change their state. I mean, people are doing it all the time now, and that’s just who we are as human beings, right?