Is Your Diet Killing You? | Dr. Benjamin Bikman | EP 520

if only people were sitting around on a Friday night listening to us chat and thinking oh I really want a stick of butter they want something sweet and gooey We crave carbs and they have Myriad metabolic effects one of which is to spike insulin what happens to type 1 diabetics if they eat nothing but fat the fat cells get big they get so big that they have to tell insulin I'm done a government issues a mandate telling its people what to eat and boy they got it wrong all those vegetables and fruits have been genetically

altered to a degree that's just beyond apprehension a purely plant-based diet is so deficient in nutrients it is utterly incompatible with human survival studies in men have shown that if man stops eating meat his testosterone plummets his sperm production plummets listen to that man [Music] hello everybody the first thing I think I'll tell you is that I'm on tour again from February through June through theout the United States in Canada and in Europe and if you want more information about that go to jordanbpeterson.com and check it out so that you can come and see me

and my wife and if you're inclined to do that I'm talking today to Dr Benjamin bman who's a professor of Cell Biology at Brigham Young University and a lecturer at Peterson Academy he's done three courses for us and uh we are talking today primarily because I'm interested in and not me only obviously in the rise of the make America healthy again movement and I've been talking to the people who are integrally involved in that movement and trying to determine strategize about the direction and that's very complicated thing to do and one of the things I

want to do is figure out where the most bang for the buck might be had with the least amount of trouble almost every problem's like that there's lots of causes of a given problem but there's one or two causes that are 90% of the problem and you want to focus there and maybe have a chance then and so I talked to Dr bman today about insulin resistance and really to put that in more simple terms excess carbohydrate intake and that's the carbohydrates that are rapidly transmuted metabolically into sugar and that's pretty much all carbohydrates by

the way and the fundamental problem with America's health is an abundance of carbohydrates and so we discussed insulin resistance which is a metabolic condition that arises as a consequence of too much carbohydrate intake and then we discuss the multiplicity of cascading catastrophic health effects that produces um type 2 diabetes being particularly uh well known let's say as a secondary consequence but cancer heart disease erectile dysfunction reproductive dysfunction um more generally uh high blood pressure you name it immunological disease depression anxiety there's almost no serious medical condition that's widespread that can't be traced to excess of

carbohydrate intake and so obviously it seems to me that's where the focus should be and so we walk through the biology we walk through the practicalities we walk through some hypothesis about how that problem might be redressed at the government level but also at the level of individual behavior and so this is very important there's likely nothing you can do that will improve your life more both in the short run but even more importantly in the long run than to modify your diet away from high carbohydrate intake and so we walk through why that is

so join us so Dr bman I've been talking to the Maha people about their plans and it's clearly the case that Americans westerners more broadly but particularly Americans maybe are suffering from a slew of unfortunate medical conditions so what I'd like to know from you to begin with is if you had to rank order the magnitude of the medical problems that presently confront the West let's say particularly the US how would you do that there there's a very specific reason I'm asking yeah you know whenever there's a problem maybe you can if it's complex problem

maybe you can point to like a dozen two dozen causal elements but if you focus you'll find that three of those are the major contributors and you could spend an immense amount of time on all two dozen or you could focus like hell maybe on the worst problem yeah and gain 50% of the ground if you spread your forces out across the entire panoply of problems you're not going to get anywhere like if there are 24 stakeholders in the system that are making America sick and you take on all 24 all you're going to do

is fight endless battles so I'm curious if you had to zero in you know to where you'd get the most bang for the buck when you look at the health of America what do you see as the major impediments the major problems Yeah Yeah by if you look at the top 10 Killers you can actually thematically lump them all into what I call the cardiometabolic crisis where that encompasses the problems that are overtly metabolic like type 2 diabetes which is a top 10 killer I think it comes in around number six or seven but also

number one which is heart disease and now there are others in the top 10 like Alzheimer's disease for example that you wouldn't think you'd say okay well Ben's not including Alzheimer's disease in these cardiometabolic killers and yet I actually am even certain forms of cancers are viewed increasingly as a metabolic problem so it might be that I'm the guy with the hammer and so I see the nail but the nail is poor metabolic health and that's certainly the focus of my efforts but I like how you framed the question as much as metabolic health is

an underlying issue or a common soil from which all of these noxious plants are growing that we call diabetes heart disease Alzheimer's disease uh uh COPD you know chronic obstructive pulmonary problems the the alternative view isn't that these are each distinct problems it's just that there various manifestations of the same problem namely insulin resistance being the most common disorder within the United States a study published out of University of North Carolina a number of years ago found that 88% of adults have at least one part of what we call the metabolic syndrome which is a

kind of cluster of complications interestingly and tellingly what we call the metabolic syndrome used to be called called the insulin resistance syndrome and as much as you framed it from a Western View just to help people appreciate this uh we aren't even in we're maybe around in the US number 20 or so with type 2 diabetes worldwide the Middle East they're they're experiencing these problems far worse than we are even southeast Asia these countries where you'd look at the population and think well you look healthy you're only maybe a little overweight but there are ethnic

differences where body fat which is so important to this will predispose people to these metabolic problems at varying levels But to answer the question succinctly the problem is a cardiometabolic crisis and at the heart of this is this very poorly understood well poorly known poorly discussed problem called insulin resistance yeah okay okay so so lay out the relationship between insulin resistance and obesity oh yeah oh that's a great question so insulin resistance it's the most common problem it's the most relevant for chronic disease naturally we want to know all right well where did the villain

come from what is the breaking bad story I typically describe and teach that there are two paths there's there's fast insulin resistance which has its own um noxious stimuli that it comes quickly and it can go quickly but then there is slow insulin resistance and this touches on your question so I'll answer it with that one in mind one of the ways in which insulin resistance develops is by fat cells that get too big now to to Really confirm as much as we have a an obsession on fat on body fat we actually look at

it kind of incorrectly we would say Okay Jordan has 20 pounds of fat whereas Ben has 30 pounds of fat so Ben's naturally going to be sicker than Jordan and yet it's not the mass that matters most it's actually the size of each individual fat cell this is why in that cardiometabolic crisis the list of what's killing us men die more from all of those except Alzheimer's disease so if you look at the top 10 nine of them go to men and it's not even close men die more from these problems than women by orders

of magnitude almost and it's but women are fatter than men so it's clearly not an issue of fat mass per se yeah yes so if you look at as a percent body fat a woman's going to be fatter than a man by Design supposed to be that way for reasons that we won't get into but men have less body fat but we have bigger fat cells so I I promise I'm answering the question but as a fat cell gets bigger and bigger it's almost like a naughty little child who's taken the water balloon to the

tap now they're filling it filling it filling it filling it oh boy you better take that balloon off or it's going to pop now the fat cell acting in its own best interests does to it has to adapt two ways to ensure that it doesn't pop it doesn't want to die in the body we don't want our fat cells we don't want any cell to die that's a very messy very inflamed process so one thing the fat cell as it gets ever bigger it can't turn off the the fuel coming in but what it can

do is change the fuel coming out so insulin has an absolute choke hold on fat cells this is a little outside the question so I won't quite get around to it yet but in insulin is an absolutely essential signal as much as we focus on calories insulin tells a fat cell to grow and now the fat cell is growing and it's telling insulin insulin I am about to pop and so I have to stop listening to you and so I'm going to become deaf or I'm going to become resistant to what you're telling me to

do and whereas earlier insulin was telling it to hold on to all of this fat now the fat cell starts leaking out fat even though insulin was originally telling it not to this creates a problem that we can refer to as ectopic fat deposition because now the fat cell is leaking out these things called free fatty acids at the same so blood fat levels are going up now that's not normally a problem necessarily but that should only happen when insulin is low now we have this weird state where insulin is high which should be telling

the fat break down to slow down I'm getting into deep biochemistry actually really quickly so normally if insulin is is is up because we've eaten some carbs and stuff then fat in the blood would be down because insulin would be telling the fats to hold on to it but now or or when we're fasting or low carbohydrate diet then insulin is down and now we're mobilizing more fat so normally the biochemistry in the Endocrinology is such that if insulin's High fats are down if insulin's low fats are up unless the fat cells are overfilled or

have undergone hypertrophy or a growth expansion now you have high insulin and high fats and so the body can't burn that fat it has to store it and so now we start storing fat in tissues that are ill suited like the pancreas is getting fat the why is it just excreted why wow that's a great question so actually if you allow me I love that you just ask the question why I tell my students that when you ask a scientist a why question especially a cell biologist my answer is God only knows so I don't

know why God designed the system to work that way why not the fat but I maybe it's because in historically the probability of prolonged um nutrient availability at that level was like zero oh yeah for sure I mean yeah we're living in a very unique day yeah so the the rule would have been historically if you have extra food hold on to it hold on to it because hard times are coming so so that is in fact reflective though of insulin's effect it is so determined to store energy that it will literally depressed metabolic rate

it will prevent any wasting of energy so that's the first problem with touching on the question of what's the connection between obesity and insulin resistance because there is a connection so the fat cells get big they get so big that they have to tell insulin I'm done I can't get any bigger so I'm going to leak out the fats even though you don't want me to but then there's a second feature that just compounds the problem which is as the cells are getting bigger and bigger and fat cells can grow unlike any cell in the

body no cell in the body is capable of the expansion that a fat cell is capable of much to our Chagrin but as the fat cells getting bigger and bigger it's they're pushing each other further and further away from capillaries from the smallest base unit of the blood vessel and all of its lifegiving oxygen and as it's getting pushed further and further away the poor chubby fat cell is becoming hypoxic or it's suffocating and in an effort to ensure its survival it's starts slowly dripping out these pro-inflammatory proteins called cyto kindes basically just hormones that

turn on inflammation and there's a a whole bunch of them dozens of them but some of them will correct the problem it's like a trail of breadcrumbs and rather than Hansel and Gretel coming it's getting to the capillary and stimulating the growth of a new blood vessel and so it's kind of the fat cell's way of crying out hey I'm lacking oxygen come feed me and so we have that happen so it both of these things the poor we pity the poor fat cell it's become so filled because of our lifestyle which is a whole

other topic worth diving into but it becomes insulin resistant to ensure its own Survival spreading fat to be stored throughout the body and then it becomes proinflammatory to try to correct its blood supply and that then the inflammation is one of the fast causes of insulin resistance that I alluded to a moment ago that any time inflammation is turned on on the body yes that is an immune process but the overlapping of the immune and the metabolic is profound just a moment ago you and I were speculating on the why the system may be designed

the way it is one thing we know for certain that is that of all the systems in the body the immune and the metabolic are not only essential to survive times of deprivation and to defend the host but they work hand inand after all what good is it trying to mount in immune response if the if the Warriors don't have any energy to work with so anytime inflammation is up and it's staying up that's going to cause insulin resistance and indeed it is one of the main causes of insulin resistance okay okay are you ready

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this from stage one and also let everyone know what the health consequences are so I'm going to start the outline you tell me if I get it wrong and elaborate wherever you want all right so we have access to an endless number an endless array of carbohydrates and they're very easily converted into sugar well so we have access to Sugar of various forms and to carbohydrates in absolute plitude yes right and so that's easily converted that's very high energy source uh very dense energy source and it's easily converted to fat and so that's what happens

and the reason that happens is because we're evolved for lean times and we store excess energy like a grizzly bear or a camel and we do that so we don't starve to death in the winter and and thank goodness for it right right and you see this I guess some of the proof of that is that Islanders who tend to be evolved to get through lean times they're very very efficient in their metabolism if they go on a North American high high carb diet they just balloon oh yes yeah okay so so now too carbohydrates

and sugars too much fat now the consequence of the fat is manifold one of the consequences is or you you alluded to two one is that insulin resistance increases and the other is that inflammation increases yeah okay so I think what we should do first is we should outline the role of insulin in bodily metabolism yes okay so why don't you do that and then tell everybody why insulin resistance is bad because what you've done so far is make a case for why it promotes cellular uh fat cell function but it also has catastrophic effects

systemically okay so talk about what insulin does and then talk about what insulin resistance does okay because just so everyone's clear what we're trying to do here is we're trying to zero in on the most egregious of the multitude of health problems that might plague us and we're making a case for insulin resistance as perhaps the worst it contributes to all sorts of diseases but it's also highly associated with obesity which has a variety of health problems as well okay so let's focus on insulin to begin with tell people what insulin does and then what

insulin resistance does yeah yeah brilliant uh yeah insulin is an an absolutely essential hormone in the body as much as I am going to go on in the next few minutes and paint the picture of it being a villain it's critical if you don't have it you have a disease called type 1 diabetes and you will die type 1 diabetes used to be a death sentence in the absence of insulin the body will not last long and so think so it is here for a purpose we need it however we need it to work in

our favor and to do that we need it to be generally keeping in a in a in a normal range and so you you just a moment ago frame the question by pointing a finger at carbohydrates I agree with that completely that's a whole topic as much as over the past decades we vilified dietary fat oh boy we got it wrong and and wouldn't you know it you know in the first time we're in history as far as I know a government issues a mandate telling its people what to eat and boy they got it

wrong no surprise right that has happen so often when you take things to that level so if we put the blame where it belongs not only are carbohydrates the only macronutrient that people have an addiction for no one's addicted to Fat no one's addicted to protein if only people were sitting around on a Friday night listening to us chat and thinking oh I really want a stick of butter no no one they want something sweet and gooey they want something salty and crunchy so We crave carbs and they have Myriad metabolic effects one of which

is to spike insulin so this is answering the question of what does insulin do insulin's most famous effect but not its only effect and I would even say not its most important effect its most famous effect is to look at that rise in blood sugar or blood glucose and say that's beyond homeo stasis this isn't right if that stays high for long it's going to start harming the body CU hypoglycemia alone is pathogenic and so insulin acts as a hero and says your problem I'm going to take care of you it brings the temperature back

down like a thermostat you know the perfect example of homeostasis brings the glucose back down to normal and then insulin having done its job Retreats back into the background if you will but one what's its chemical role in relationship to the conversion of carbohydrate to energy oh yeah yeah right that's great question so glucose you you You' mentioned a moment ago and as you did so I sort of couldn't help but think of the kind of a metaphor of like engines where glucose the body has two primary fuels at any moment it's either sugar burning

blood glucose or fat burning one is like a kind of race car engine boy it's going to be really quick you don't have a lot of fuel and you're going to get terrible gas mileage but boy it's going to be a quick ride the other is like a big diesel engine rumbling down the roads of Alberta hauling going across the Trans Canada Highway and taking its load it's going to go forever it's never going to run out of f that's the fat metabolism that's fat metabolism and now the next question is well who decides insulin

decides insulin once again when it comes to any Metabolic Effect you need never go further than insulin there are other hormones that want to pretend that they matter thyroid kind of matters cortisol kind of matters insulin rules them all and ins inin if it's up it dictates it's time for sugar burning if insulin's down then the body says all right it's time for fat burning in fact that's where the whole ketogenic aspect comes from when insulin's down it is so incompatible with the body storing energy that it literally begins burning more fat than it knows

what to do with it's met its energy needs already but it can't stop burning fat and so it starts burning more than it needs and that more if you will becomes ketones it's sort of a metabolic release valve like a pressure release valve of a way of saying I'm burning more than I need and so I'm I've gone beyond what the cell requires so ketones are going to become a good alternative but then back to or transition would you think would you think that the like historically again over an evolutionary time span easily digestible high

sugar carbs would have been essentially non-existent right it would have been imagine what we would have had to do to get them we either had to prepare for battle against against a a hive of bees right right when we could find them yes when we could find them or further when we could find a digestible carbohydrate you know maybe berries or something because people need or tubers yeah that's right we have to appreciate that what what we eat is either going to defend itself by claw or by chemical and a plant doesn't have the advantage

of running away or attacking back so if we dropped any number of us in the wilderness good luck yeah yeah well we have even if you're surrounded by plant understand too that like we might think that historically human beings existed on the kind of vegetables that we have now but or fruits but all those vegetables and fruits have been genetically altered to a degree that's just beyond comprehension I mean if you look at the origin plant of corn yeah I mean it doesn't look anything like looks nothing like corn even look at an apple like

look at an apple a hundred years ago it was these teeny little crab apples sour things now they're these big juicy sugar BS yeah exactly but the more we eat these sugar bombs and they're like the more glucose is going up the more insulin has to come up and now we've come to what I believe is in fact the main driver of insulin resistance as I transition to insulin resistance which is too much insulin and people may hear that and think hold on you're talking about insulin resistance too much insulin is the main cause of

insulin resistance and it lest it seem a little unexpected it is a fundamental biological principle too much of something will cause a resistance to that something right whether it's body or Soul if we are exposed to a stimulus over time that that noxious stimulus is it becomes noxious and we try to adapt well dose matters right there's lots of things that are Health exact right in proportionate dose okay so now we're eating carbs continually let's say all the time so we're relying on this fast energy source one consequence of that is storage and fat yes

one consequence of that is if there's too storage in fat is that triggers its own form of insulin resistance but you also alluded to an insulin resistance I believe that's merely a consequence of insulin that spikes too high so there's multiple reasons for insulin resistance in a heavy carb loed diet oh yes all of them become relevant there yes so we've now kind of gone to both here um the the slow insulin resistance is the slow and steady growth of the fat cell which we outlined earlier and that's a consequence of insulin being up telling

the fat cell to grow and then the fat cell is saying okay insulin what do you want me to grow with ah it's the calories so you have to have both for a fat cell to grow an insulin stimulus and sufficient calories to fuel the growth then we have the fast insulin resistance I mentioned inflammation that is one and then the other one that is the main one I argue is too much insulin itself and then once the body becomes insulin resistant now you really can start going down that list of chronic diseases that are

the top 10 killers and two of one you can see how insulin resistance is either the main contributor or one of the main contributors like do all of yeah to all of them type two diabetes is entirely a disease of insulin resistance where over time if you have two variables the insulin and the glucose one of the great tragedies from a metabolic scientist with Diabetes Type 2 diabetes is that we have we have a glucose Centric Paradigm just to use this as an example of how insulin resistance contributes to disease the the conventionally trained clinician

only looks at the glucose they don't they they may not have even ever measured the insulin and when I give these kinds of talks to Physicians they they can't even wrap their head around insulin being a marker that matters and yet the irony is it's the one that matters most because over the life of the person with type two diabetes their insulin has been coming been going higher and higher and higher but the glucose is staying normal blood glucose blood glucose and so when they come in for their annual checkup The Physician just says well

glucose is normal so you're good but you have high blood pressure well guess what the leading cause of high blood pressure is insulin resistance or they may say you have fatty liver disease right guess what the leading cause of fatty liver disease is you have early signs of cognitive decline or dementia right none of those are glucose exactly yes where now the brain's becoming insulin resistant and if we could shift the Paradigm to an insulin Centric Paradigm that they would have detected Ed and then it's 20 years later where they finally see oh your glucose

is high well now but it's worse than that I think if I remember correctly because so you said that one of the ways that Physicians are marking whether you're healthy is to look at your blood glucose levels but they age correct those so that the norms for you at 50 yeah what would be normal at 50 is diabetic at 20 but that it that that makes no sense because if there your blood sugar levels are as high at 50 as they would have been in 20 if you would have been diagnosed diabetic it's just as

bad for you at 50 in fact so that's it's an insane correction in fact it's even more pricious if you look over time at what the diabetic cut off used to be yeah over the past 70 or so years since that became a marker so that's been slowly coming down and you would say well why bring it down it's because the the easier it is for people to stumble over the easier it is to diagnose and then the easier it is to say I need to give you a drug and that is what I believe

is partly at the heart of the glucocentric Paradigm you can't drug insulin it's too stubborn there's no drug that's going to push your insulin down but there are drugs that will push your glucose down and so it's a hell of a way to diagnose someone with a problem sooner and give them a drug prescription multiple drug prescriptions but the great irony or I would say irony as if it's an innocent mistake murderous irony yes the more the clinician is pushing the glucose down indeed with some medications that push the insulin up even higher they actually

kill the patient more even though you've corrected their blood glucose problem just the Abol proof it's not the marker that matters it's certainly not the marker that's causing disease so the more aggressively you're giving the diabetic more and more insulin type 2 diabetic more and more insulin to push the glucose down they become three times more likely to die from disease you're literally tripling their which drugs do that yeah that will be drugs like a class of drug called sulon Ura which is what's called an insulin secretagogue it basically takes the beta cells and says

of the pancreas that make insulin say hey we know you're already working overtime it's not enough we need to put you in the goog you got to work double shifts and we've bumped up drives the insulin levels up that drives the sugar levels down yes so again but it increases insulin resistance across time that's exactly right so they get fatter and they die faster cancer risk doubles Alzheimer's risk doubles it's because those aren't how common are those drugs oh extremely common even more common is just giving the type two diabetic insulin directly you're literally giving

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and Best to Legendary scientists from Ontario were the first to discover the one hormone that was absent in type 1 diabetes at the time it was called juvenile onset because it was something that would manifest around the age of 10 years old or so but in type one diabetes that is when the body has killed its own beta cells is that an immune problem an autoimmune disease it's an autoimmune disease so the body has for some reason said to the beta cells of the pancreas you don't look familiar so we're going to kill you and

so the person has no beta cells no insulin no way to control metabolism and they kind of burn to death if you will in a way they they just what happens to type 1 diabetics if they eat nothing but fat yeah well that's a great question in fact this allows a transition into the actual dynamics of fat cells so if you had a in fact if you look at the earliest diet that was given to diabetic type one diabetics before they started using insulin it was almost entirely carnivore yeah you look at these oldfashioned prescriptions

it was this much fatty meat and it would say fatty meat don't eat meat that is too lean right it's because these are fuels fat is a fuel that doesn't need insulin to tell it what to do it can get into the cells of the body the brain which doesn't use fat it readily uses ketones which you'll make plenty of if you're burning a lot of fat and so that would be the best way to ensure the type 1 diabetic lived as long as possible but the great tragedy when we discovered what was missing professors

Banting and Best by giving these patients insulin that changed things now these people could live a long happy life but it shifted the Paradigm which was eat whatever you want and cover it with your insulin that this is a term any child any parent listening to this who has a child with type type 1 diabetes will have heard this asinine advice this is a disease of not metabolizing glucose very well why would we tell them and that includes carbohydrates because they're converted to glucose that's exactly yes thank you yes so all dietary carbohydrates are going

to be converted to blood glucose to some degree or another some a lot like the sugar bomb Apple some very little like a cruciferous vegetable like a like broccoli or something the inedible vegetables yeah exactly the ones that you put in front of a newborn a young little CH toddler and they're going to push it off the plate because they inherently know I don't want this yeah so the type 1 diabetic what used to be a carnivore diet basically became the same standard high carb diet but you look at these poor kids with type 1

diabetes it is a life of constant fluctuations the constant anxiety and yet now we know in human studies what happens if you control the carbs get them off the roller coaster sure enough it flattens it's a flat line and their insulin dose just plummets depend on how much you have to pay for insulin that's a wallet saving therapy let me summarize so human beings have two metabolic pathways the one that we relied on until very recently wasn't the carb pathway that's really an emergency and windfall metabolic system quick burning limited Supply yeah yeah I mean

we have we have enough carbs to fast like truly if a human was just relying on their even you would even have to go that dramatic you have someone fast for 24 hours they've essentially burned through all of their mobilized carbohydrate storage their glucose storage that's done it's gone in in fact that's going to coincide perfectly um with ketogenesis with the ramping up of ketones in the blood so there's there's an additional we'll go go sideways here for a second well there's an additional issue there that isn't well understood um as I understand it that

historically again over an evolutionary time span there would have been lots of times when we had access to like no carbohydrates okay so now and maybe some of those times as well to not much protein and fat so just not much food yeah okay so what happens then well you go into autophagy right so what happens is your body starts to digest its own tissues now those could be fat the fat which would be fine because that's what it's there for but if you go past that then there are more are tissues that are starting

to be digested autod digested that aren't merely for storage but the body has a hierarchy of self-consuming so it consumes damaged tissue first which is of course what it would do because if yeah digested healthy tissue first you would just die so that's a stupid solution now the advantage to digesting damaged tissue is that when you have access to food again you regenerate and so one of the consequences of being reliant on an emergency food supply continually carbohydrates is that you never enter an autophagy condition and so you don't repair yourself very well well first

of all do you think that's true I mean I've looked into this and that it looks to me like a carnivore diet mimics autophagy and maybe that's why they're effective in fact not only mimics it enables it like just to be clear um but you're you're touching on like this topic of longevity yes which I have I have followed the the modern I don't want to hijack the question go ahead hijack away okay well yeah with longevity you'd think well what is a metabolism scientist going to say everything I have everything to say about longevity

because it is this process of the cell constantly wondering how am I doing is it time to build or is it time to break and and one of the uh quirks of longevity or aging is that a cell actually needs to go through both that I have looked I have looked with and guess who decides whether it's building or breaking hormones hormones yeah well life is optimized death right I mean you have to die continually the excess and the what what do you everything excess about you and everything is malfunctioning has to die in order

for you to propagate yourself across time so life isn't life it's life is a balance between growth and death right so you want to optimize death and you imiz death with autophagy as far as I can tell and carbohydrate or carnivore diet optimizes that or can optimize it okay it takes you out to this emergency food supply that makes you fat I want to ask you about insulin resistance now now your insulin levels are chronically too high because you're eating too many carbohydrates what and tell me the mechanism for insulin resistance and then tell me

about its cascading effects so that we can understand the relationship between insulin resistance and diabetes and Alzheimer's disease and obesity and heart disease and cancer and pretty much everything is Aging for that matter yeah yeah blind uh blindness diabetic neuropathy etc etc so let's walk through that eat too many carbohydrates your insulin levels are chronically High insulin resistance follows then you get in okay how how does it follow what happens yeah yeah well in fact depending on so everything you just asked is is so substantial that not only did I want to put it into

a book but in even an a Peterson Academy course it is the it is an answer of about seven hours or so but the it is so relevant because again it's the most common problem so when insulin is elevated for too long it literally starts to certain cells not all cells and this is one of the reasons why insulin resistance is so pathogenic it's because some cells become deaf some cells don't and so as you have insulin going up higher and higher to the deaf cells that's not so much a problem but to the cells

who are as acutely sensitive as they were before now it's stimulating too much so one interesting example that we haven't even mentioned is infertility as a as a Bible believing fellow I feel very strongly that it is in our it is a commandment to reproduce so anything that compromises reproduction as a scientist I'm quite fascinated by the most common forms of infertility in men is a problem called the rectile dysfun function the most common problem in women that's an problem of infertility is polycystic ovary syndrome both of them are caused by insulin resistance but it's

a perfect example of the kind of two-sided problem where insulin resistance is on one side of the coin insulin isn't working very well but you always have the other which is that insulin is elevated so these are two sides of the same coin and these two problems of infertility which again we hadn't even mentioned yet yeah right are both reflection of one or the other so in the case of polycystic ovary syndrome most common infertility in women people don't appreciate that all estrogens or maybe I'll back up in order for a woman to have a

normal ovulatory cycle she has to have a big spike in estrogens so there has to be a big estrogen Spike and then that enables it facilitates ovulation if she doesn't have this big spike in estrogens the eggs in her ovaries are able to grow but one never becomes the dominant and actually ovulate Ates and if one doesn't ovulate all of those eggs stick around so then they become cysts that is the heart of the problem here well it's the manifestation of the problem most people don't appreciate that most estro all estrogens were once testosterone that

in men and women all of the estrogens circulating through the body and in the women critical to ovulation have to be converted from testosterone well there is an enzyme called aromatase in her her ovaries have a lot of Aroma taste whereas the testes in her male counterpart have relatively little Aroma taste he's still converting some of his testosterone to estrogens but not as much she's doing it a lot more insulin inhibits aromatase so in her body her ovaries which maintain an Exquisite insulin sensitivity are looking at all of this insulin and responding saying okay insulin

among the many things you're telling me to do you're inhibiting the aroma taste which means I have all this test testosterone and I can't convert it to estrogens so not only will she not have the estrogen Spike thereby not ovulating but she will also have too much testosterone giving her some of the other symptoms of PCOS like male pattern baldness or more hair on her body and and acne and other problems have people been using low carb diets to treat there are case reports published the most common medication that is given to a woman on

p with PCOS even if the physician doesn't know to test for inin resistance they give a prescription for a drug called metformin which is the most widely used insulin sensitizing drug and it will help although it's not solving the problem it's just sort of masking it so you said erectile dysfunction well so that's the male counterpart right yeah so listen to that men who are listening to this program because erectile dysfunction obviously doesn't only um affect reproduction it affects sex yes and so if you're not able to get it up anymore um one of the

ways in principle you could treat that is by reducing your carbohydrate intake dramatically which would also stop you from dying which is like a good side effect not only will be more attractive but more capable of taking advantage of that physical attraction Now by not suffering from erectile dysfunction right so really what's happened is we've really because we've become so a a a society of such insane abundance we've deviated from our normal diet to an emergency rare diet yeah so now we can just eat the diet we would eat in an emergency that was rare

all the time and it turns out that that's that's not a good idea not for in the long run yeah for the sake of the species yeah and then with erectile dysfunction it's not a problem of the insulin being high but normal physiology in the man and women in various locations of the body is such that when insulin flows through a blood vessel if the blood vessel is insulin sensitive the endothelial cells that line the blood vessel wall they will see the insulin and it will stimulate the production of a molecule called nitric oxide which

will induce vasodilation an absolutely critical process for erectile function but those blood vessels become insulin resistant and now the normal process of vasodilation and the man having normal erectile function is compromised okay so let's step back now so you said insulin levels rise and then a variety of tissues in the body become insulin resistant because they don't they can't tolerate being overstimulated but some of them don't and so they are over stimulated okay and then you you you ovies included right right you and we talked about the reproductive consequences but what other tissues become hyper

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netsuite.com jbp yeah right so there are there are not many most of them go the way of the insulin resistance like the man's side of things and that's like for example what causes um Alzheimer's disease where the brain's becoming insulin resistant but the insulin sensitive side would be a tissue like the liver where one of insulin's effects at the liver is to tell the liver to make fat now the liver is more complicated I kind of joke with my students that it when it comes to metabolism the liver is the soccer mom it is sort

of giving it knows what to do with everything you have a problem the the liver can solve it it's it is the ultimate Handler it is the Nexus of all nutrient metabolism whether it's lactate or ketones or fats or glucose or proteins amino acids the liver handles all of them it is the soccer mom it does everything and when it comes to insulin one of the many responses to insulin is to tell the liver to make fat that effect is as insulin sensitive as ever and so now in the high insulin insulin resistant body the

liver see all of that insulin and one of its effects is to tell the liver to make more fat thus that when you get fatty liver then you have fat the most common liver problem we also now are seeing signs of fatty liver in children oh yeah which is historically unprecedented alcohol does that alcohol does too much fructose but another pointing the finger high in high fructose corn syrup that kind of fructose which is subsidized to a degree that's absolutely stunning and which is in virtually every processed food yes yes so so of what I

rage against when it comes to the government getting involved is it's happen it's it's subsidizing the the most problematic things like my fructose corn Sy but even if you and I were drinking orange juice right now that's a straight shot of glucose or apple juice you know if we were meant to drink that fructose then the we wouldn't even have to eat it with the Apple you know you you think you and I could drink four apples worth of fructose and not even think about it and yet we'd never want to sit there and eat

four Apples because the fiber and things would want to slow it down and we'd feel a little more full and and so we just we naturally wouldn't Focus as much on it but this environment that we live in it's almost like we we are eating for winter all the time time because fall used to be the time of abundance it was fall when we would reap the Harvest it was fall when the fruits when the plants would be kind of coming into season and boy let's get ready like let's lay on some fat like a

bear because Winter's coming in the North winter never comes and and so anyway as we go from top to bottom you can find insulin resistance you know the brain uh just to find point on it the brain is one of the high metabolic rate organs in the body right now we're having a stimulating conversation it is entirely possible I bet our brain is number two or probably number two highest metabolic rate at the moment uh because it's so hungry it's so demanding even when we're sleeping it's busy so it needs to be fed constantly the

brain doesn't burn fat for energy for reasons that we don't really understand actually the brain is its own hybrid though burning glucose blood sugar or ketones now there is in fact a man whom I love and admire is a scientist in Northern Ontario and Steven Kain he presented this idea of a shore-based Evolution suggesting that the reasons humans departed in part we are the only land-based mammal born OB Theory too by the way really yeah yeah yeah well it counts for lots of things like female fat distribution kind of webbed hands and feet our ability

to swim hairlessness omega-3 the value of omega-3 fats you know eating these kind of where else would you live if you could on not in the Prairies of of on a warm beach where there were lots of Shell Food shellfish obviously that's pretty straightforward it would be a good way to do it so the brain has these two fuels glucose and ketones ketones are utterly unregulated if they're going up in in fact one of the things I love disabusing my students of is the false idea that glucose is the preferred fuel the for the brain

every sort of knuckle dragging mouth breathing Professor will just spout that off without actually knowing a thing about brain metabolism the reality is if someone has glucose levels at five to six Millar in a normal range and they're fasted or on a ketogenic diet even when their ketones get to one or two Millar so over here the brain has already shifted so that up to 60 plus percent of its energy is coming from the Ketone so a choice it'll pick keton indeed and when the moment ketones come online the brain switches even if there's still

way more glucose than ketones don't tell me this is the preferred fuel when this one even at a fraction of the level is already the dominant Source right right so the brain that's so cool we've been talking to this my daughter in particular this guy here uh in in Arizona who runs an old folks home and he's been so it's like a paliative care old folks home and he's been putting his charges on a ketogenic diet and people are leaving his home yeah it's it is one of the great swep under the rug right right

so do you do you know like if you have someone who's suffering especially on from early stage Alzheimer's which we've discussed as type 3 diabetes already if you switch them to a Ketone diet have there been studies done already showing what the consequences of that the short-term consequences for cognitive function cuz that' be fastest way to test whether that was helpful yeah so as a clinician you'll appreciate this um but as a biomedical scientist I sort of am frustrated by the lack of other studies but the number of case reports that are being published just

keeps climbing climbing climbing that the brain as it becomes insulin resistant and it can't get as much glucose it's like the rhyme of the Ancient Mariner it's this sort of metabolic this version of it where even if the body's hypoglycemic if the brain is insulin resistant it's basically you know saying crying out glucose glucose everywhere nor not a drop to drink it can't use that glucose because it's insulin resistant and it needs insulin to help open the doors to get the glucose in but the ketones are unregulated so to the case reports yes there are

documented peer-reviewed instances where you can take a patient whose cognition is so compromised they can't tie their shoelaces or they can't draw out the face of an analog clock you know you'll give them a piece of paper and a pen draw out the clock one two three so on put them into ketosis have them do those tests again they can tie their shoes they can draw the face it's still a little within hours Jesus within hours I wonder if anybody's tried that with 45 year olds for fluid IQ tests because that'd be a quick test

right you take the same people I should talk to Michaela about that because we could do that study really quick take 50-year-old people ah take obese 50-year-old people now you're talking do a fluid IQ test put them in ketosis which would take like 48 Hours yeah about that or nowadays you can drink ketones for goodness sakes um they've become so obviously beneficial my University just won the cross country National so how fast could you put someone into ketosis within an hour depending on what you're so you can bring them in one for one day you

could give them fluid IQ test put them into ketosis and give the test again yeah you could even swap do it sort of placebo one day after another you're drinking something than you're drinking do let's do it that's the beauty of basic we could find that well the brain thrives on ketones my own lab we've published reports documenting how when a person's in ketosis we actually had people and we were pulling fat biopsies from their belly little pieces of fat taking it to my lab and testing the metabolic rate the metabolic went up it went

up three times as soon as they're in ketosis as soon as they're in ketosis the fat tissue just starts it basically signals when ketones are up insulin's down it's sort of party time with metabolism it's let's just get moving stuff met iic rate goes up autophagy turns on things that quickly okay so how would you put someone in a state of ketosis with a drink yeah so how do you do that there are multiple different now ketones have become so obviously beneficial it increases metabolic rate it helps people physically perform better race car drivers to

it take it torto France athletes take it cross country athletes take it it's a it's a viable fuel so as ketones have become more and more accepted for all their benefits there's been a bit of a race to say all right well how can we do this best and there are multiple different versions from the Lesser effective but much cheaper things called Ketone salts then you go through the Ketone Esters and then you get the bioidentical ketones and they're all of kind of varying efficacy as they get more effective the price goes up but I'll

say uh having seen my beloved Baba my grandma in up in Alberta die from Alzheimer's disease it is so terrifying in that one of the reasons I adhere to my own low carbohydrate diet is because I want to keep my brain as healthy as possible yeah yeah the fact that I stay lean and healthy well that's just a plus um that's well even my fear of cancer cancer cells don't use ketones they use glucose and so all the more reason to keep my glucose in check I yeah so so with regards to that specifically so

are there studies indicating a decrease in the rate of cancer propagation on zero carb diets yeah and are they case studies you know so that's a really good question and I'm going to respect how you framed it which is can you prevent the cancer that's not been there's no paper on that what there are papers on is looking at untreatable particularly brain tumors this is where most of the research is at the moment at Boston University they are absolutely leading the charge on this one of the most effective therapies they're doing is putting them into

deep ketosis if they have inoperable brain it can take inoperable brain tumor and not only stop it in its tracks but literally start to shrink and is the shrinkage a consequence of autophagy well yeah Absolut so yeah so coming back to a topic you mentioned earlier certainly it's part of autophagy and probably just good old-fashioned necrosis you simply are dying because you can't survive cancer cells will metabolize they rely on glucose as their main fuel it's a quick propagate rapidly right so they're more dependent on glucose than ordinary cells and they don't want to have

to rely on blood flow um where where they basically are growing so quick that they outpace the blood flow and glucose doesn't need oxygen to burn it can be fermented but just to really elaborate how clever this area of research is um this group at Boston they took a tumor cell and the the whole theory of cancer is that it's genes it's from your nucleus right it's a nuclear genetic disease and yet they took the nucleus from a tumor cell and put it into a healthy cell and the cell was totally normal it didn't do

anything they literally transplanted transplanted the genetics now what they also did was take the mitochondria the PowerHouse of the cell that's where you're burning the ketones and the fats then they put the mitochondria from the tumor cell into a healthy cell it had cancer it became a cancer cell so they're changing the entire Paradigm of cancer saying that it's not a gen cells adapted to glucose metab or cancer cells adapted to glucose metabolism and if you force them to rely on something other than glucose they die it's incompatible with their rate of growth and they

can't sustain it so keton are at the front see I've also read that if you're undergoing radiation therapy for example or or um what's the chemical treatment chemotherapy more specifically chemotherapy that if you put yourself into ketosis you have much less um you have have much modified negative reaction to the chemotherapy in fact much less um yes the negative side effects when you think about chemotherapy it really is a matter of the the radi the the the oncologist the cancer physician saying how much poison can I give can I give you yeah so that you

enough of you survives but I kill what we don't want namely the cancer so chemotherapy is is a miserable way to go um and and I have my own strong thoughts on the very field of ology and the use of chemotherapeutics I think by and large most of them are not worth the trouble not worth the trouble that you maybe will live another week if anything and you will have bankrupted your entire family doing so but right but even back to the gleo blastoma the inoperable brain tumor area part of what they've shown is that

ketogenic diets can act as a kind of adjuvant therapy right that the actual amount of dose of the chemotherapy required much lower is much much lower you're already compromising the tissue you're already killing them now you're just pushing them over the edge I mean this is so much this is why I beat this drum so loudly that you look at like we at the end of this conversation to one of my Great Hopes is that someone listening opens up their morning medicine cabinet and they take out their two medications for their diabetes they take out

their medication for their blood pressure they take out their medication for their PCOS or their erectile dysfunction thinking because there's different pills these are different problems and yet if they start to Institute just the simplest albeit not easy but the simplest lifestyle changes to start correcting the glucose correcting the insulin they'll find much to their Delight that those medications can just stay in the medicine cabinet they're they're correcting their problem one at a time are you tired of being held back by one- siiz fits-all Healthcare of having your concerns dismissed or being denied that comprehensive

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to do right off the bat with regards to the Maha movement mhm M was to focus on the Pito distribution bang for the Bakers right where's the biggest criminal let's stop that and maybe we don't have to worry about anything else and maybe we could stop one thing and what would that be well you talked about insulin resistance and then we tied that to diet that's high carb high sugar diets cause insulin resistance well then what does that cause well causes insulin resistance causes obesity which also causes insulin resistance and then insulin resistance has a

Cascade of effects one of them well erectile dysfunction is one of them Alzheimer blood pressure cancer is one of them high blood pressure heart disease right these these are very bad things oh yeah the biggest of the bad right right right right so we're really we're really at the root of the cause of the the so-called multiplicity of negative consequences yeah and you said root in in so much of so conventional medicine is giving medications which is at the branches yeah only to have them grow back well let's just chop the damn tree down and

to do so you've got to go right to the soil which is lifestyle yes so you said go to the root there is a root problem and no medication's going to address it right right right right well the medication is going to work if you keep consuming exactly what's causing the multitude of problems and even if it addresses one of your symptoms like erectile dysfunction pill that doesn't mean it's going to address the fact that your diet is making you prone to Alzheimer that's right right right okay and it's only treat it's only putting a

Band-Aid on like any medication when it comes to metabolic problems no medication can solve the problem it will just mask it which is why something as reversible as one dimension of it yeah one aspect so something as easily reversible as type two diabetes a disease of too much insulin bring your insulin down eat less carbs the traditional view would be to say in the clinician will say this type two diabetes is irreversible yeah because if you treat it with conventional means it is you will never get off those drugs the dose will go up you'll

have more drugs more and more drugs because you're not actually solving the problem type two diabetes is absolutely reversible it's just you have to respect that it's food the food we eat is the culprit or the Cure okay so let's talk about lifestyle modification yeah okay so I want to talk about two things I want to talk about government subsidy let's say and the food pyramid the original food pyramid how it was developed because there's a story that'll curl your hair oh it's so it's so appalling V it's so appalling it's just you can't read

that without what would you say it's like a traumatic loss of naivity to believe that something that catastrophic could have been consciously perpetrated yet it was it it's unbelievable it's unbelievable okay so lifestyle change so we think of the typical Supermarket okay now people have often been counseled to eat around the edges right don't go in the middle of the supermarket why because that's where all the processed food is well is the problem processing I don't think the problem is processing the problem is all processed foods are emergency hypercaloric glucose Centric Foods right so they

should be they're they like when you come across a beehive they're not to eat every day so you you go around the edges and you eat well you tell me if you disagree with any of this because we want to make it simple for people right so you stay away from the processed foods because they're too high in concentrated carbohydrate and sugar yes fundamentally now there may be other reasons to avoid them as well the chemicals that are in them the fact that they've been designed to be addictive Etc to me that's trivial compared to

the fact that no mostly they're just the equivalent of sugar y okay now you you you you graze around the edges that means the kinds of vegetables you don't really like mhm right yeah Dairy including butter including yogurt all of that so that's F that's food that people actually like yeah not not sweetened yogurt no sugar stay away from the damn sugar yeah meat and that's about that fundamentally right and definitely don't drink soft drinks no no it's absolutely yeah I mean you you don't want your food to come from the less you are able

to formulate a diet where your food isn't coming from bags and boxes with barcodes the better off you're going to be and the way you just described it you've done it yeah to me I mean first and foremost we are we have more in common with a wolf digestively speaking than we do our closest closest animal relative like chimpanzees or apes or any other primate if you look at the digestive system spend eight hours a day chewing yeah they have to eat constantly because they have it is such a nutrient deficient diet they're colon large

intestine is substantially bigger than the humans because they have to ferment so much moreover brain comparatively small very small brain very big intestines yes that's the vegan evolutionary pathway by the way yeah yeah and you want to shrink your brain remove animals sourced foods from it and you'll yes you'll be like your other primate cousins and start to shrink your brain but unfortunately you don't have the the colon to ferment as much as they do moreover you're probably not prepared to eat your own feces which is what they'll do to get vitamin B12 a a

a purely plant-based diet is so deficient in nutrients it is utterly incompatible with the human human survival let alone human reproduction I consider it in fact I feel so strongly about this that I actually consider it to be quite devilish or overtly satanic that I think of if you'll allow me to invoke some scripture we often talk about Christ's great Commandments love God love your neighbor and yet there was a Commandment that preceded those which was God's commandment to Adam and Eve be fruitful multiply and replenish the Earth that was the first commandment and the

older I'm getting as a both a man of religion and of science I sort of use that commandment as my litmus test if this is an ideology or a principle or a practice that is going to make it harder for people to reproduce there's something fundamentally wrong there's something wrong with it and I must reject it and so even when it comes to diet reproductive capacity is species Health across Generations right it's the equivalent of Health except across Generations so obviously anything that's anti- reproduction in its Essence is there there isn't anything more path whether

you invoke God whether the Commandment to Adam and Eve or whether you invoke Evolution whose great design is to just have an advantage to reproduce you all come back to reproduction see one of the things I'm seeing on the Maha side is that it's difficult to bring Unity to the field of preventative medicine I mean many people are concentrating on the panoply of chemicals that are in like fro loops and fair enough like fair enough fair enough but but for me the problem with a Froot Loop is that it's basically just a sugar lump oh

I you and I are totally aligned on this you have to manage your Macros all the other micro stuff yeah that matters a little but if your macronutrients aren't aligned carbohydrates proteins fats and I have rules for each of them then all that other stuff is fluff yeah it's noise essentially it's noise the needle a little but not enough to yeah well so and then the thing is if you if you're only able to fight one battle at a time you better fight the right battle that's right and it seems to me now it's also

the case that there's no recommended daily allowance for carbohydrates yeah oddly enough I know that's very odd so expand on what that means so it's odd for multiple reasons including I consider it the most pathogenic because of everything we've been describing but it's also the one that is utterly unessential you appreciate this but most people don't even the within within the United States the Department of Agriculture years ago had a statement where it says something like I'm going to Loosely quote it the lower limit of dietary carbohydrates is zero right zero is a low limit

okay yeah that's a pretty low number that's for sure and yet that's the one you tell me to eat the most of born from the food guide pyramid in its ill- fated ideology or or born from the modern Obsession sort of pseudo religious view that we can't kill anything and and what a naive view life is death everything that is alive benefit it's because something died before it and we benefit from all of that stuff so we have this kind of perverse shifted view of of nutrition where we we focus on carbohydrates the one thing

we don't we literally don't need to eat it there's no such thing as an essential carbohydrate and yet 70% of all calories globally come from carbohydrates so they they do have the advantage of being cheap in the short run you know and especially if it's subsidized it's cheap that's that's a separate issue like because you could imagine you know Humanity has been solving a sequence of problems and once one problem and it was real was there just wasn't enough calories okay so you probably want to address that so people don't starve and fair enough and

maybe you can address that more cheaply with corn than with beef okay and so there we've given the devil is Du but that doesn't mean that that constitutes an optimized diet and that's where I think the people who created the food pyramid were criminal criminal because the the story and and this is a story you're fleshing out is that the base of the pyramid so that's where you get the bulk of your calories according to the hypothetically scientific guidelines of the government which were never scientific in the least right from the beginning is that that's

where you should derive the bulk of your calories and then fats and meat are a tiny tiny element of that it's they knew from what I've been able to from what I've seen in my investigations is that the people who designed that Bloody pyramid were told by their own scientists that they were going to produce a epidemic of obesity and diabetes yeah Dr Dr Philip handler was the president of one of the leading scientific Societies in the United States at the time and I'm going to Loosely quote him but he says what right has the

federal government to conduct such a grand experiment with the population of the United States as its test subject that it had never been done with no control no that's right it never no consent and and look at what's happened people want to blame meat for all what ills us which talk about an insane ideology but you look at red meat consumption from the early 1900s till now it's been a steady decline and yet what's happened to heart disease even at The Superficial 30,000 foot view blaming meat for the ills of the mo these diseases of

civilization these plagues of prosperity it makes no sense well now bloody GRE who are doing the same thing and you know the the the globalist utopian Vision this is the C40 Vision this is a Consortium of municipalities all around the world including many of the world's biggest cities they want a 95% reduction in meat consumption that's not that's not all 95% reduction in private automobile ownership a one short hul flight per person every 3 years three items of clothing per year like a perfect way to enslave people oh it's just beyond comprehension but but the

meat element is particularly egregious as far as I'm concerned because there are forms of Agriculture that are meat intensive that revivify soil and the idea that that's contributing to something like a climate catastrophe that I can't imagine a stupider lie than that one although there are some it is it is tragic because for multiple reasons just as a fun aside when men studies in men have shown that if man stops eating meat saturated fats in particular particular his testosterone plummets his sperm production plummets like this is anthetic to human production you think that that's an

evolution that's a biological sign of scarcity yes that's right well it's no bloody wonder that don't reproduce repr now because all you have to eat is broccoli right yeah that's right it's a sobering view which is when you look at the food guide pyramid one of the like literal authors of the food guide pyramid wrote this and proposed it heavily influenced by his religious Creed where he is an adherent for the sake of being respectful I don't want to cast stones here whose religious view is that meat is bad in part because it elicits carnal

desires and so it's a literal function of this individual's religion at the time again in opposition believe that Kellogg was one of the ad he was just he was one of the so this is the the seventh day Adventists were the ones who helped write the food guide pyramid and then helped create some of these Guess Who is the main origin of the American dietetics Association the seventh day Adventists and so no wonder it's part of this to literally get licensed as a dietitian you have to play the game and say meat is bad because

it's and as a religious man again I can't help but just have a grim humor where in the New Testament the Apostle Paul who I love because he was so he was like a lion in some of his writings to the um to Timothy in 1 Timothy chapter 4 anyone go read this he's prophesying of the Latter Day and so it's just an irony that it's religious ideology that helped give birth to these ridiculous ideas when if you actually scrutinize the text it doesn't support it so Paul prophesying of the latter days says in the

latter days people will be seduced now he is quite bold and says seduced by the spirits of devils I'm not saying every person who believes this is devilish but he says there will be two things that will kind of identify them they will command to abstain from Marriage which is directly opposed to God's commandment to Adam and Eve and then two command to abstain from eating meat who and then he goes on to say which God has ordained for the use of man and so it's ironic to me that religion is invoked to create these

terrible ideas and yet a sort of studious view of religious text would never support such a thing and indeed directly oppose it okay so let's let's sum up and before we move to the Daily wire side so there's a fervor in the America in America at the moment with regards to health and I think really that's probably a consequence of the fact that everyone's fat and it's like what the hell like how did this happen it's it's and we spend so much on Healthcare right and and and that as well these ballooning yes healthare costs

that aren't helping the problem right and a a growing distrust of the of the pharmaceutical Band-Aid treatment to the problem and of and of government policy in general especially policy related to such travesties as the food guide okay so everybody's kind of woken up and gone well this isn't working all right so what's the fundamental problem well we've walked through it the fundamental problem is that carbohydrates are too cheap plentiful and promoted and that's making everyone insulin resistant and fat and promoting Alzheimer's and cancer and heart disease and erectile dysfunction and other reprodu malfunctions and

cognitive decline we didn't even talk about depression and anxiety depression is a often and this has been known for three decades that there are variants of depression that are immunologically related they're inflammatory it's an inflammatory condition yeah right right and so that's a huge problem because depression per se is probably 75% of mental health problem All Things Considered right elevated case studies finding ketogenic diets are once again therapeutic yeah yeah you can look across yes exactly you can look across a span of neurological disorders that seemingly are unrelated Alzheimer's disease epilepsy migraines depression and yet

all of them have been documented to have what's called a brain glucose hypo metabolism where in each of those instances if you're actually measuring the degree to which these people are able to take in and metabolize glucose in the brain it's significantly lower than their counterpart who isn't suffering from that neurological disorder all the more reason to give the brain a fuel that it can get namely ketones right right so so one of the suggestions that might emerge from a discussion like this is that if you are unhealthy MH why wouldn't the first thing you

try be a ketogenic diet control carbs yeah yeah always that is my rule number one yeah yeah start with that yes kind of no matter what's wrong with you yes control carbs if it's chronic and you're having a hard time treating it and the direction isn't good yep you should give some seriously serious consideration to radically decreasing your carb intake and there's no down Zer yes there's no I mean people have to appreciate well what's the downside there is none this is because there's no recommended daily allowance exactly this is the one there are such

things as essential fats you better get them there are such things as essential proteins or amino acids you better get them crickets chirping there's no such thing as an essential carbohydrate so lest it seem like you and I are being just crazy no rule number one control carbs they are the one that is the main contributor to your disease in the first place and two you literally do not need them right right so that the consequence the negative consequences are zero zero right right so you have a broadly applicable medical intervention that's dietary based yep

that's very likely to be successful in treating a whole variety of diseases including ones that will kill you in ways you do not want to die which would be Alzheimer's diabetes let's say or any degenerative neurological condition and the side effect profile is nil except that you get thinner and better looking and your sex life improves yes okay that's a good place that's good convin myself again yeah yeah okay so I think what we should do on the daily wire side is talk a little bit more about how this came about right and delve into

that for everybody's edification hypothetically including our own um for all of you watching and listening you can hear my guest's lectures on Peterson Academy tell me the lectures that you that you've done so far for us you've done three I believe I've done three yeah and and this is so orchestrated by Michaela who's just been such a champion for this message so the first one at Michaela's explicit invitation was why we get sick which was essentially a longer version of everything we've been talking about six or seven hours of what is insulin resistance why does

it matter where does it come from and what to do about it and then after that I was invited back to just say they they sort of thought we need a little more kind of basic science and biology so I have two other courses and I have an affection for alliteration basics in biology and fundamentals of physiology so those are the three why we get sick basics in biology and fundamentals in phys so you can dig more people who are watching those can start at the surface and get the bulk of the information like we

did today but then they can dig down for as a professor it really is sort of a seven hour version of what I would take a semester to do I which I appreciate the point of this as much as you and I both rail against traditional higher education anyone who's curious and thinking you know what I kind of liked my high school biology and I wouldn't mind a little more well I got the class for you yeah or they want to go a little further and understand how the systems of the body how's the heart

working how's the brain functioning how are the lungs being Dynamic the muscles well that's physiology and then the last part of it is when things start to go wrong if you will but a version of everything we've been talking about which is basically the metabolic origins of chronic disease that's why we get sick right right right right okay okay well I think that's what we'll focus on on The Daily wi side but I want to tilt the conversation again or Focus the conversation more with regards to pathological policy in the past why that emerged because

it really is a story that'll just ah it just curdles your heart to understand what was done to the American population with the food pyramid it's beyond comprehension but more importantly perhaps to understand and to investigate how that might be put right because the Maha people are trying to figure out how to communicate directly with the American population to reverse this as rapidly as possible and as sustainably as possible without a heavy-handed sort of top- down approach so we could discuss that practically on The Daily we side so all of you who are watching and

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