Shocking Truth About AI, Immortality, Civil War, Elon Musk & Simulation Theory | Peter Diamandis

you're living through an inflection point in human evolution between Tech like AI Quantum Computing and biotech the next decade will bring about more dramatic change than the last 100 or even 200 years combined virtually every aspect of Our Lives is about to be disrupted for the unprepared this will be devastating but for those that take the time to understand the most likely path forward there will be huge opportunities to help you better navigate what's coming I bring you futurists Peter diamandis given the state of AI and Quantum Computing do you think that we're on the

brink of human immortality I think we're on the brink of a health span Revolution I think immortality comes when we can scan the brain and upload you into the cloud you think that's the only way we have to transcend biology people have to realize we're constantly replenishing all of the cells of our body anyway right like the oldest cells in your body are your fat cells that are an average of 8 years old given AI given Quantum technology we're going to start to uh understand why we age how to slow it stop it maybe reverse

it and I think those things will get us uh north of 100 years the boohead whale the largest mammal can live 200 years uh Greenland shark can live 500 years and have pups at 200 years old and the question is if they can live that long why can't we and for me it's either a hardware problem or a software problem and we're getting the tools to be able to deal with and edit our software edit our hardware and for people who are saying well am I going to be part of that am I going to

live for hundreds of years am I going to have the chance to be immortal I'm going to put aside The Immortal part again I think your mission should be how do I live long enough healthfully enough to intercept the breakthroughs that are coming right so it's interesting someone asked me a question question like how long do you want to live right I remember when I was in medical school I I set a like a 700-year lifespan which is a ridiculous number it's ridiculous because if I can live I think another 30 years from now the

breakthroughs we're going to see are going to buy you the next 30 or 100 years so your goal is to live long enough to intercept what's called Longevity escape velocity yeah that to me is feels very plausible when I think about the magic trick that is AI yeah um walk me through what you think is the rough timeline and and I fully acknowledge that looking into the future when you're talking about something as revolutionary as AI becomes a little bit comical but I think that it helps uh to map how you think about how this

is going to work like what the problems are that we're going to solve where's the intersection of AI and Quantum Computing you're the only one I really hear talking about that and it's importance in this revolution what is it about Quantum Computing you think is going to help yeah uh are there qualities of AI that are only going to be possible with Quantum Computing what what are the next steps let me Define first of all lifespan and healthspan so lifespan is how long you live how long your heart is beating how long your brain is

processing uh Health span is how long you've got the vital energy to enjoy life you know get up in the morning play with your kids to your grandkids go for a hike enjoy yourself have the mental physical uh Vitality right that's Health span and that's really what we want you know if someone says I don't want to live to 120 years old it's because they have a mental image of being in a wheelchair drooling right that's not we're speaking about here um if I said to you at 120 your mind was as sharp as that

ever was you could you know hit the ground and and do 40 push-ups and you know would you want to live to 20 and I think anybody who is who is loving life would say yes so that's our goal it's it's that level of Vitality um so ai ai is going to play in this by helping us uh understand such a complicated situation so why do some people live to 100 or 115 or 120 and smoke you know and still get that far out right why some people L people die at 50 or 60 um

and I think aging is and in human biology is so complicated that we're still deciphering it we're still untangling this this process and there's so much data we can now get and we've talked about you know one of my companies uh Fountain life is sort of like the most advanced Diagnostics you can do so when I go to Fountain life and we've got centers around the US um I will be digitally uploaded so in the course of a day I will have a full body MRI uh an MRI of My Brain Brain vasculature Brain blood

flow coronary CT looking for soft plaque dexas scan 120 blood biomarkers metabolome microbiome your genetics everything all right so it's 150 gigabytes of data and that data over the course of thousands of individuals can only be analyzed by AI but then we can start to say look the people who um s were the healthiest and and didn't have uh disease or we can look at presymptomatic disease and the people who developed this over time had this genetic sequence or had these blood biomarkers it's the incorporation of massive data aggregation ation and AI that's going to

help us understand uh why some people survive and thrive and others don't and then what are the Therapeutics look at everybody who took rapamycin or metorman or you know was on you know whatever drug combinations it's so complicated but we're running this massive experiment um and is going to help us to untangle that and get some insight and say yes for your genetics for your age for your objectives these meds these supplements are the best for you right that's one of the things I'm really uh working to build out for myself and our members at

Fountain life is that kind of a correlation like what you want to do in life your upload your genetics number of pilles Will intake per day this is the right combination for you for you yeah I think n of one is going to be a big part of this okay I'm going to lay out my thesis okay tell me where I go wrong please uh so one I want to say that I come at this the way that a Sci-Fi writer would come at it so I understand enough of it to get the gist and

to be able to prognosticate the specifics will be filled in by people that really know the science um but the way I see this playing out is that okay we need this is a game of pattern recognition there is reason there is a reason why we age so step one is going to be by um I think by getting into synthetic data very very quickly so we'll upload whatever the first 10,000 100,000 people that go through something like Fountain life and we begin to um speak the language of DNA let's say and we probably need

to uh feed into the AI not just human DNA but across all kinds of species feed it as much DNA as we can it goes in it learns the language of DNA it begins to feed itself data and begin to um try to predict different outcomes based on okay uh this environment with this genetic code this drug interaction whatever again looking for the massive amount of data but trying to parse out the different patterns in it so that it can isolate what the problem is now with my very sort of lame and understanding of all

of this my again just guess at this point is that what's really going on is the epigenome is where all this breaks down you know David Sinclair's study as well as I do which showed that even if you breed a mouse to just get massive amount of breaks in its DNA over time the DNA still looks the same like we are able to repair the DNA it isn't what we used to think it was which is you're getting these mutations in the DNA over time and the DNA is effectively getting corrupted but something is happening

and so if that something is the epigenome where we're just we're Mist tagging it again this is my Layman's explanation of how this works but they're going in and putting in the wrong bookmarks um for people that don't know how this works your DNA is basically really tightly wound and a little bit of it gets exposed to say I'm an eye cell I'm a skin cell I'm a heart cell whatever and as you age you're dedifferentiating and so your eye cell maybe now isn't purely an eye cell because parts of the DNA are unraveling so

it's a little bit of a skin cell a little bit of a heart cell little bit of an eye cell and so now this is where where the function begins to degrade over time if the AI can figure out okay cool that really is the problem this is exactly what's going on here are the yamanaka factors or whatever that you need to um put to work to rewind the cell so that it resets and so now we're getting the bookmarks in all the right places that part once that's figured out again I my gut instinct

is that's going to be handled through the the AI using Quantum Computing to be able to Crunch just an unbelievable amount of synthetic data so we don't have because if you have to feed in millions or billions of people like I just worry that that's going to take way too long for somebody of my age but if we can do this via synthetic data then the odds that it goes faster go way up yeah where's where's the flaw in that thinking so listen I you know when I was in medical school I don't know 35

years ago I went arguably to the best medical you know University and engineering schools on the planet and none of this was being talked about right all of this is really this entire conversation is the last five six years um and it's moving very fast it was heresy before I talk about longevity or uh age reversal and now it's when of the hottest subjects on the planet because it's the biggest Marketplace I mean what would you not pay for an extra 20 or 30 Health years of life so yes we are um to Echo what

you said um if you think about it each of us get 3.2 billion uh nucleotides or our genome 3.2 billion letters from our mom and from our dad and you've got that same genome when you're born when you're 20 when you're 50 when you're 100 maybe when you're 150 but why don't you look the same if you've got the exact same instruction set why don't you have a you know a a 12pack if that's a thing or a sixpack whatever when you're 80 like you had when you were 20 M that one I can answer

but the face I think is because the six-pack has everything to do with your lifestyle if you're just put on too much fat it is I mean my my point simply being is why don't you have the physique um or the ability to build muscle or everything of your youth when you're 100 why is there a difference and it isn't your gen it isn't your your 3.2 billion letter instruction set it is what you just said a minute ago your epig genome Epi for the Greek word for above and it's the control system and and

you're right um when you're when you're just born or when you're 10 or when you're 20 when you're 80 different genes are on and different genes are off and the epig genome is the control of which genes are on which genes are off at the highest level it is the control of the genes for skin are on in your skin cells and the gene for your hepatocytes are on in your liver and and so they're different cells they've differentiated turning certain silencing certain genes and saying you're not your genes aren't needed here in the skin

cell you don't need to be uh you know uh purifying out urine right um and so as you age would apparent currently is going on is that the control of which genes are on and which genes are off are beginning to blur and as you're getting older the genes that should be off are turned on or the genes that should be on are turned off um I'll give you an example skin um you know the Supple skin of a child of a newborn right part of what's going on is we have something like 23 collagen

genes and we express multiple collagen molecules that make your skin give it the the texture and so forth but as you grow older we begin to silence some of those genes and so your the collagen molecules of the 23 maybe only eight or nine are expressed and so you start to get you know wrinkles and uh you know your skin starts to look that of an old person but can you turn them back on so one of the companies my Venture fund bold capital is an investor in is is marel marble biome and it's using

genetic engineering uh epigeic reprogramming to turn back on those genes right to give you know to take back the the look and feel of your skin 30 years MH so can we do that across multiple parts of the body can we rejuvenate you in that regard and that is one of the definitely one of the hottest topics out there right now can we turn back the clock and and in December 2020 David Sinclair uh wrote a very uh famous paper in which he demonstrated turning back the clock in the retinal uh visual systems of mice

um basically reprogramming the epigenome to go back to where it was earlier and giving mice had had lost their Vision renewed vision and one of his companies life biosciences is now doing that in primates right and once they already done it they're already they're doing in primates right now and have they shown that it has the same retinal impact or I believe they have um uh and you know we're then a a fraction of a step away from humans right so uh this is the hot conversation of uh epigenic reprogramming on one element AI on

the other and I and I really fundamentally believe that we're within Striking Distance to making a dent in human aging um and I mean you know that's why you and I are here in this moment we just announced our $101 million Health span X prise um challenging teams around the world it's the largest prize ever in human history uh challenging teams to restore function in muscle immune and cognition um hopefully this is a age reversal uh therapeutic that teams will deliver we're we're just looking at three systems the you know if if the teams going

after this health span exerprise are doing something that at the root cause is hitting aging then they're likely to hit aging throughout the body we're only going to measure immune muscle and cognition because those are easy to measure and for me as I get older I want to have the immunity to fight infectious disease and cancer I want to have you know the muscular Vitality to you know hike and play with my great-grandchildren right and the cognition to be sharp for decades to come okay so one of the things that I care deeply about is

the timing of all of this yeah me too bu so with with the prize uh they have seven years right they have we announc this now in uh uh what month that we in November December of 201 3 and it's a seven-year time frame um why seven years do you think that's I think I I set seven years uh originally because if an xprize you know the original X prize uh the first one I launched back in 1996 was a $10 million prize for space flight and again these X prizes are not for a paper

study they're not for an idea a team has to actually demonstrate the thing and then they get the money and they keep their IP the world gets the benefit and the first X prize took eight years uh it was launched in 1996 it was one in 2004 when Bert retan backed by Paul Allen built spaceship one that Richard Branson then bought the rights to and create Virgin Galactic and since then our prizes have typically taken anywhere from you know 2 to 8 years we had one prize uh a $30 million Race to the Moon that

Google funded uh it was at a 10 year Horizon it did not get one it got shut down uh though two of the teams actually made it to the moon shortly thereafter but crashed on Landing interesting but they still you know got to lunar orbit and still made there which is a big big deal a Japanese team and an Israeli team um so by setting a deadline on a prize you force teams to actually do something versus sit back if it's there forever take you know the race element does help them accelerate but a deadline

when you're facing a deadline you're going to you're going to take even more aggressive action uh so seven years for me felt the right length the second thing is one of you know our our largest donor in this prize is a group called Evolution which is based it's a global nonprofit based out of Riad and out of the US and um Saudi Arabia had has a a 2030 vision of uh really they have a lot of projects culminating in the year 2030 um and it just so happened that that is the culmination of this prize

as well so 2030 works from that perspective as well when I think about Ai and the rate of advancement so I come at things from a entertainment perspective and when I look at what's happened in the last 11 months quite frankly hasn't been a full year that I've been paying attention to um textt to video the the leaps are pure Insanity it it is it's insane I was just looking at emad's uh latest uh stability AI which is fast as you're typing yeah you know there's a ape with an orange on its head hanging from

a you know bouncing on a trampoline and as soon as you add words the images are changing it's insane it's crazy it's where where're a micro step away from uh from Hollywood vid you know movies being produced by describing them in in words yeah given the rate of change on in the last 11 months I'm going to guess in the next five years you will see uh commercials and things done entirely just text video like it I think it's next two years five years I mean it certainly could be in the next three just given

the amount of UI changes they'll have to do my gut instinct is that you're you're looking at at least three years but yeah um so when I think about the advanc in longevity when I look at what humans have been able to do just in the last 10 years it's already incredible when you slap AI onto that then it gets nuts what do you think is going to be the contribution of quantum computers how real is that right now yeah so it's we're in the early days of quantum Computing to be clear right um uh

Quantum Computing uh is a complicated subject which I'm not going to do service to to be very clear right so classical computing is uh basically Computing that uses ones and zeros on integrated circuit and a typical um uh you know typical binary language Quantum Computing uh uses cubits that are basically can be anything a zero or one or anything between a zero and a one and what we find is it it really um represents the real world we're living in a Quantum World we're not living in a binary digital world we we model the world

uh using uh very Advanced binary systems we model um on a molecular level so for example uh uh Deep Mind which is part of alphabet now right um which created a program called Alpha fold and Alpha fold I remember when I was in Medical School uh or when I was maybe was was undergraduate MIT at the time the big Grand Challenge of the time is could you predict how a protein would fold so a protein is the basic building structure of the body it's a structural material it's an enzyme it's muscle tissue it's it is

a sequence of amino acids there are 23 essential amino acids here these amino acids when they're um assembled in a ribosome read from DNA to RNA to uh to a protein the sequence of amino acids that're like Lego blocks strung together um begin to fold into a very predictable 3D structure and that 3D structure is everything that 3D structure determines what that protein does how it functions how it interacts uh in a you know uh uh in a antibody um and it was always considered if you could go from an amino acid sequence like I

can tell you the sequence of the amino acids in this in this uh thousand amino acid sequence and if you could tell me how it would fold that would be the most incredibly powerful predictive engine on the planet and it was a super Computing problem and it was a couple years ago now that Alpha fold uh an algorithm out of Deep Mind cracked that problem um and uh it was able to go from an amino acid sequence to predicting a protein within a single Atomic diameter accuracy whoa and then it went on to predict every

protein and how it folds in the human body and then meta created their own version of that and was able to predict every protein in the biological ecosystem like POS it it's gone insanely fast right so now we can start to design proteins versus just find out what nature We Want A protein that is a certain shape that interacts with a certain like you know Key and Lock uh on the surface of a cell but that's all being done in binary that's all being done with AI algorithms operating on gpus at a atomic molecular level

we are quantum systems and the belief is that quantum computers will be able to enable us to model what's going on at a much higher level of fidelity much faster and so that we can start to understand the fundamental elements of how life itself Works in a much deeper way and start to model things you know um I don't know what what factor to use trillions of times faster than a classical computer because it takes a lot of energy and a lot of time to model things um but Quantum is going to be able to

um model chemistry and model biology uh at lightning speeds um so I believe we're going to see uh you know 2023 2024 we're seeing the inflection point of AI um uh we're what does that mean it mean means we're we're seeing AI growing at at unbelievable speeds what you said ear a few minutes ago that it's like it's it's awesome it's it's it's unbelievable how fast it's moving and and typically an inflection point is like it's a slow slow you know like AI so AI began the first conversations in AI were in 1956 at Dartmouth

University a group of a dozen people came together to talk about this idea of can we model intelligence in like a summer trying to do it right they they to try and get the theories and think through it right and then neural networks were proposed not very long after that but we didn't have the computational power until this past decade to actually start to put these algorithms into play and so while AI is what uh 56 you know 60 70 years old it's only now that we're seeing this massive inflection um it's the knee of

the curve it's the point where it's speed is so fast right and now we're going to start to see AI programming Ai and it becomes self-referential and accelerates even faster so Quantum is still slow it meaning we're getting systems we're beginning to learn how to utilize it we're have there's like two or three public Quantum compute companies um uh friend I don't know if you know Jack hit uh Jack is on my Board of Trustees at x prise uh he spun out of Google company called um sandbox AQ yes right uh Eric Schmidt's the chairman

uh and Jack is the CEO um and a stands for AI and Q stands for Quantum and it's a company that's really bringing together Ai and Quantum computing and uh his belief is it's going to be most impactful in a few key areas and biology and chemistry is one of those key areas do you find yourself hunching over your desk and battling back pain after a long day of work invest in a chair that is designed to improve posture prevent pain and maximize productivity anthos is built to be your last office chair and I'm telling

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over to anthro.com impact and get $200 off your purchase that to me is really fascinating the fact that we're going to be able to manipulate the building blocks of biology is pretty crazy where do you think that our ability to um predict the folding of proteins goes how do we use that what comes of it so now the question becomes what drug do you want in order to um uh handle certain situation so we're going you know drug Discovery up until now has been you go in the Amazon forest and you forage for different leaves

and and and stuff and you take it back to the lab and you see what you got right like uh rapamycin which is one of the longevity medications out there um I'm not going into detail about it but it was discovered in a soil sample from Easter Island uh which is known as rapanui and that rapy got its name from that so this random process of like just finding stuff and and trying to purify and see if it has an effect on anything uh is going to go uh we're going to flip the model to

saying okay what exactly do we want to interact with this receptor on this cell or block this chemical process inside of the mitochondria and we're going to design it and then we'll see does it interact with anything else we're going to start to create in silico models right comput computer models of cells at in high fidelity to understand what's going on and how you want to tweak it do we already have the ability to manufacture this stuff or absolutely 100% And it's and and there's a company called in silico medicine uh Alex zankov who's the

CEO there is a friend um uh my Venture fund is an investor full disclosure um and uh they have in silico medicine is as the name says we're going to create medicines in simulation on computers and then manufacture it and then show that it works and they have drugs in Phase 2 or phase three right now that we're designing a computer for a particular medical condition and it's working out how does drug Discovery work exactly using AI um you're going to understand uh a molecular process uh inside a cell that is causing a disease um

and you're going to say this particular molecule is is a waste product that's accumulating that is causing this disease and can we create a uh A protein that might go bind that molecule in a highly uh accurate fashion that when it's bound uh blocks the disease from occurring and allows your immune system to clear it right so we're going to start to um to Tinker with uh and the question then becomes is does that molecule you've designed to block a particular reaction or um or waste product does it have a secondary negative effect that you

don't want right so you're still going to go through clinical trials um to determine that there's no downside of that will that be more of a um we have to do it but in reality we've already run the simulation six ways a Sunday inside there will be a point in the future so for example when SpaceX launched the Dragon capsule to the space station for the first time it worked it worked perfectly they're great Engineers but the reason it worked fantastic because they had a high accurate computer model of the entire system and so they

modeled it in High Fidelity and it performed like the model said and so for example more recently we see Starship U making serial uh advances as it's going towards orbit of course you know the crisis News Network and all the uh all the media say oh Starship fails like it was an amazing incremental success you know the the first ship got to a certain point the second ship got further the third one will probably work perfectly because those ships are are highly instrumented and all the data is coming back and the data is being used

to advance the models and saying aha this is actually was going on and so let's change this engine or this structural enery and we're going to start to do the same thing in biology which we're going to start to gather enough data and instrument and understand what's going on where we can eventually get to a point where we have a a highly accurate model of the human cell um and not just a cell but maybe it's an organ maybe it's a thousand cells or a billion cells and we're going to know that this particular designed

protein or medicine whatever might be works perfectly um and we'll get to a point where you don't need to uh go through a massive clinical trial how far is that away it's probably not the next five or 10 years but it is probably 20 to 30 years out uh but the cost of these right and then by the way this drug works for me not for you by the way do you know I I don't know the exact number but it's pathetic um when a drug is approved by the FDA and you take your you're

prescribed that drug what percentage of time the drug actually works for you I've heard this before it's either 40% of the time it works or 60% of the time it works it's like it's like under 20% no way yeah it's it's and I I'll I want to check that number so I have it but it's um the when a drug goes through the drug Discovery process you know uh the first goal is Do no harm yes and by the way uh most of the drug Discovery process for the last century has been done in or

safety trials have been done in men only yep there's a good reason for that though well the reason was that drug companies didn't want to deal with menes and menopause and so forth right it was inconvenient there's just so much so many more complications but what happened was when drugs were taken off the market because they failed it was because they hadn't tested them in women because you I mean why assume that this drug that we developed for a particular condition that was safe in men is also safe in women anyway so first is Do

no harm and then does it work and when the FDA approves a drug it worked in enough people that it was worth approving but it doesn't work in 100% in the current circumstances and it's a it's a minor minity uh number and I'll have to check on that that yeah the I'm shocked if the punchline is the the number is that low that would certainly speak to the placebo effect because I've never taken an over-the-counter drug it's not true it's not that I've never taken one that I didn't notice anything but the ones that I

take with frequency I'm like whoa these really work my allergy tablets my and by the way it may well be for uh a narrow course of of drugs but it does doesn't have to work for everybody yeah so all right let's um look at all of this through the lens of where this goes and why it's going to work so when I think about the problems that AI has to solve in terms of understanding human biology what's happening um that really becomes the the goal of AI is to ascertain what are the the set of

rules of physics effectively how do I then map that on to a cell how do I map that on to all the cells and make up an organ how do I map that onto all the cells and make up a human body so that's that's eventually right now I mean so for example when when when you go through Fountain life and I hope you will I would love to take you and Lisa through it um we're opening up in LA in Q3 of this year super excited about that it's amazing um uh you know we're

going to we're going to download 150 gigabytes of data about you and uh we have like when we do your coronary CCTA for people listening listen if you've heard about a calcium score um it really is kind of irrelevant people have a heart attack with a zero calcium score people with a thousand don't get a heart attack it's unless if your arter is blocked or you have blockage in an artery that you see from calcified plaque that's an issue you make sure that the your coronary arteries that feed oxygen and blood to the heart muscle

are patent and open and and feeding it but if your if the plaque on the side of your arteries isn't blocking the artery and it's calcified meaning it's like you have cement on the walls but the blood's getting through that's fine what causes the heart attack is soft plaque that isn't calcified that can in the middle of the night break off and evulse and all of a sudden you got a A Widowmaker right it is it is blocked your because it goes Downstream blocks it Blocks Your artery and your heart muscle doesn't get blood flow

and it dies and then you have enough of a heart tissue dies you have a heart attack you die and so it's just now using AI to go back to this that you can take a a coronary uh CT of your heart and put it through a set of AI um algorithms that can find soft plaque not the hard not the calcified plaque and so we do that we have an AI overlay on that to determine meaning it's just getting better at reading the images it's getting it's looking at the data differently than before before

all we looked at was calcified and we've discovered that isn't the issue it is the issue if it's if it's blocking like a 50% occlusion of your your left uh you know descending AR um so we get data coming in 150 gigabytes of data about you and this data all needs to be looked at by humans but that's so much data there's no way that uh any human physician can understand all of that data it's way too much to to to Gro to understand and hold in mind but AIS can so the first use of

use of AIS are going to be to look at the data coming off of your coronary CT look at the data coming off of your full body MRI to look at the data coming out of your 120 uh blood biomarkers and then looking at those individually and then aggregating them all right looking at the population level that's where we are today with AI down the line being able to look at on a physics level subcellular cellular level all of that stuff sure that's coming but we don't need that to be make a huge difference right

now it's interesting okay so uh I'm certainly compelled by where the science is today but the thing that I am obsessed with is it going where where it goes and do you think we live in a determined Universe oh I sure hope not that make it kind of boring though really how do you doesn't seem avoidable to me it wouldn't it wouldn't change anything I do if we're a determined universe so question becomes um if if we were you know the question for me is does quantum mechanics uh make it deterministic or not because of

probability yes okay so I'll give you my again coming at it like a Sci-Fi writer and not like a scientist but the way that I think about Quantum is okay um even if the universe that we live in is simply the most probable universe it is still predictably probable and this is exactly why we can um create GPS which is a great example so with Newtonian physics you can't do GPS with einsteinian physics you can do GPS because it takes into account relativity and it it becomes specific enough that you can really nail something down

um I'm perfectly willing to accept that it's possible that all the dice get rolled it exactly the right way and I fall through the chair because just every Gap in the chair lines up you know exactly so could that happen sure but that's probably not likely and so given that we're in the most probable of all outcomes um this stuff gets predictable now I don't understand quantum physics well enough but you know Bell's theorem I don't know Bell's theorem least not by that Bell's theorem is every time a decision is made a or b the

universe splits okay so that I certainly have heard that and so we're living in a a branch of the universe that was determined because I said the letter b instead the letter a right yeah what do you take away from that though well it's deterministic in an infinite number of ways yes but that wouldn't change your experience it wouldn't change my experience of it no yeah so just without it sort of devolving into the many fractal branches which from a the theoretical standpoint or a philosophical standpoint it's fun to think about but from an experiential

standpoint the reason I asked this question by the way for those listening I promise you this is going somewhere is that when I look at Ai and what AI has to do the reason I think AI becomes the most transformational thing we will ever experience is because it will finally be able to map out a deterministic universe and once you know the setup then you can predict the outcome which which is why I was asking about how um understanding the folding of a protein like what powers is that going to give us so as a

game developer one of the things that I think a lot about is how you can create a very simple set of rules that has tremendous complexity yes and so I have a feeling that Einstein was right that there ultimately will be a very simple equation that will be self-evident in its Elegance that oh this is what the universe is born out of because ultim timately it is going to boil down to a set of rules and it is the set of rules that give rise to the complexity but this is why and this is one

thing that always fascinated me that people without going to space could predict what space was going to be like and therefore say you have to build a spaceship this way you have to account for the way the gravity is going to change and Einstein called his his most beautiful thought I think is how he referred to it that a oh God I forget how it's actually explained but what weightlessness is like fundamentally that some somebody that was falling but had no reference point would simply experience it as being weightless oh that's a horrible explanation but

anyway get you close enough so the fact that he could just think about the rules of the universe and be like this must be true for this to be true this is is the necessary consequence and that he struggled with his own theories and the predictions that they made in terms of quantum mechanics so did you see recently uh uh both Deep Mind and open AI released weather prediction model M that were accurate 11 days out whoa so this is fascinating and I saw this morning a a prediction model on bitcoin so tell me more

Peter yeah well it was trending up through the end of the year not a huge amount but it was trending up I'm a Bitcoin believer but anyway um so anyway the point being interesting right can AI make accurate predictions in seemingly uh massively complex systems uh like weather I mean I can't think of anything more complex than weather or um the financial markets I mean now it becomes fascinating if you're actually able to predict and then the question becomes well if you can predict that and I know is that change my behavior when that CH

in weather no in financial markets yes yeah um I mean this goes back to uh you know I I'll ask you the question uh my thesis is we're living in a simulation and it's an nth generation simulation um we're living within a simulation within a simulation within a simulation because I think we're going to have the technology to be able to do that and we will because we can um and if that's in fact the case I would do nothing different than I'm doing right now um we're in a game how do you feel about

that it's interesting so the I'm actually wearing the shirt right now so I'm wearing a shirt for the video game that I'm building called project Kaizen which takes that as its hypothesis which is everything you've ever known is a simulation you have no body anywhere there is no biological U uh this is a simulation and then once you know it's a simulation then you can begin to manipulate it effectively and that is me again as a Sci-Fi writer trying to explore what it will mean to understand the Rules by which all of this apparent complexity

is born out of yeah um so I for a long time and look honestly it's only been in the last like month or two that I've started thinking maybe this really is a simulation uh just because the more I do thought exercises probing at the edges of what would it mean for this to be built on a set of rules and why would it be built on a set of rules and what built it on a set of rules you just start asking things back recursively and look I I map to what I understand course

and since I understand simulations and video games I map it to that and so there could just be a fundamental flaw in my thinking and I'm perfectly happy with that but um it it does get harder and harder for me to exempt myself from the likelihood that this actually is a simulation so I believe it inherently and I can't prove it and again even though I believe it it doesn't change anything I remember I had a I was at years ago uh I was at a birthday party that Elon had Larry Page and Sergey Brin

and Elon and I are having a conversation before the falling out um having a conversation about whether we're living in a simulation and I I think I don't know if it was Larry or Elon said yeah the only way we're going to find out is if you try and tamper with it and the system resets yeah uh I mean it's fascinating I I wonder if this has been a a subject conversation um in ancient philosophical times as well have you ever seen any references to that Plato's Cave yeah yeah very much the same idea again

mapping to what he knew he knew campfires and shadows two dimensions and three yes exactly so that becomes the way that you think about it but I I think as people really begin to investigate the human mind it is inevitable that you start going hold on a second you're seeing the world differently than me and so then you go wait a second are either of us seeing the world the way that it actually is and then once you understand that we're not uh that we necessarily couldn't be that my umelt is different than a bat's

umelt and therefore we are going to perceive everything very differently and then you start going wait a second we're perceiving the world instead of just encountering it as it actually is so the technology that's going to come to make a dent in that is going to be BCI brain computer interface right so if I'm able to connect my mind to your mind I think there going to be an interesting uh set of corrance you know can I so there are dozens of companies right now working on so you got 100 billion neurons in your brain

100 trillion synaptic connections and the neocortex the top layer is your sensorium and your uh your homunculus of action and all your visual cortex auditory cortex and such and one can connect the digital signals in your brain or the electral signals in your brain to electrodes and connect them to a computer and those things are happening right now you know elon's got his neuralink there's a company actually here called paradromics um which is doing that as well um there's a lot of amazing companies um and so we're going to start to be able to understand

visually one of my favorite uh recent AI blow your mind examples was a group took subjects and put them inside of a functional MRI machine which is looking at blood flow going through different parts of the tissue in your brain and the more the blood flow the more the neurons are active because they're using more glucose and oxygen and so forth and they took the out put of the MRI and they fed it into stable diffusion and they gave the subjects in the functional MRI machine an image to look at look at an image of

an airplane look at it and think about that and then they took the signals out of the fmri and were able to see the person was looking at an airplane that's crazy right and they did could interpret the brain signals say this is what you're looking at yes yo awesome that's mind reading mind reading yes it is mind reading and so we're heading in that direction and so one of the things I think about is um you and I both are not a single living organism all right have to you have to think about that

we're a collection of 40 trillion human cells 30 trillion if you're smaller 50 trillion if you're bigger um and those human cells are each individual living organisms working together uh collaborativ for competing but the competing or yes and supporting each other in that in the you know distribution of resources you also have more than those 40 trillion uh life forms in the form of bacteria and virus and fungi as an ecosystem in your body but you're not you know we think of ourselves as Tom or Peter but we're far more um I think we're towards

a point where if I can connect my brain to the cloud and you can connect your brain to the cloud and all of a sudden I've got Godlike Powers with a small G I'm omniscient omnipotent I'm not presentes I can know anything I can think and Google I can look through your eyes you know or Through The Eyes of someone watching a sunrise in Tokyo um it is we're now a meta intelligence we're at a new level of of of empathy and connection between humans you know I love Star Trek as you as you all

know are you treky or or Star Wars Star Wars I'm so sorry for that you're wrong you picked the wrong picked the wrong part but it's okay um you know the only thing and I you know the only thing that roddenbery got wrong was the Borg um you know the Borg or the you know the evil um uh uh you know networked minds but I think I think we're going to head towards a level of Consciousness on the planet as we start to connect Millions tens of millions hundreds of millions of individuals um I think

we become conscious at yet another level I call that a meta intelligence and I think that's coming as well uh enabled by AI enabled by this brain computer interface you can imagine if I gave you the ability to connect your brain to the cloud and you plugged in for that moment and all of a sudden you could understand what you want you knew anything you wanted you were connected to this new envol of you know of infinite knowledge and then I unplugged you how would you feel I think you'd feel so lonely and disconnected so

I think once you plug in you know this is more The Matrix than than not so we can get to one of your favorite uh genres but I think I think that's coming uh enabled by uh by AI you know um let me go one other slight subject and then we can uh you can take it back where you want uh we just had visioneering at x prise x prise um we hold an annual event called visioneering where we brainstorm ideas and um that would become great x prises uh and this past visioneering we had

a couple of good AI prises one is AI for truth um when someone makes a statement can you have an AI algorithm that's able very rapidly to say factual truth here's the roots of that this is opinion or this is disinformation all right I think that'd be very useful in our in our coming world the other one which which was um AI mediated communication between any two species well right can I talk to Welles or dolphins in a in a consistent accurate two-way fashion that would be nuts that would be amazing yeah I'd love that

for my dog that would be a trip I know be a trip what it would be take me out food P me but you know on a consistent basis uh I mean you can imagine like uh if you could talk to Welles and dolphins they would help you explore the oceans or talk to birds there's a kid that's missing the the forest here help me find them dude so that's very interesting and I know the way your brain works and you take a very beautiful optimistic look at that um it would be utterly fascinating so

killer whales are vicious vicious and they will go eat a great whites liver just because they can and they will toy with dolphins there are dolphins that will kill other dolphins and they'll mess with them uh dolphins that try to have sex with humans I mean just and on it's crazy and I have a feeling that were we to actually be able to communicate with animals it may be a little more distressing than we want to believe I read a story a long time ago and I did find this very interesting this speaks to your

interpretation of the Borg is being a misread and it was these creatures that had these tails that had like these almost fiber optic tendrils and when they would connect them sounds like Avatar yes I would be shocked if he hadn't read this story because it is very similar to that but this was years ago I read this probably 30 years ago 35 years ago and uh they would connect their tales and they would instantly know the entire history emotional Mila of the person they were con amazing and what was interesting was how once you could

no longer lie or hide anything from anybody there was there was a relaxed sort of acceptance of yourself like it or not this is who I am you got your own I've got mine I mean honestly and when I think about it uh on on a relationship side and this is something that you know talked to Lisa more about the ability to be absolutely brutally honest about your feelings about your desires about everything you've ever done I mean how many people actually have people in their lives that know everything about you where there's zero to

hide I mean it's like like in a relationship and you look at a woman go wow she's gorgeous and you're willing to say that and and or you know something that you were ashamed of having done but everything is fully disclosed I think that level of intimacy would be amazing amazing it would be you you oh man the the Symmetry that would have to be there though because if there's even slight imbalance of sure and and therefore a lot of relationships would not work but when they do click um and there's full disclosure and your

deepest likes deepest fears are fully known to both sides it is a a level of complete honesty and I mean someone who knows you as well as you know yourself I mean that I mean we're going in a very different conversational subject but um I I think that is a that was something I would desperately love and I have a few friends in my life where it's like they know almost everything possible and it's not that I wouldn't disclose things to them it's just we've never had those conversations and those are the people closest to

me right for whatever dysfunction I have only my wife knows me like that m i I don't know why I uh I don't well just share them with share it with me now right now yeah there you go live live on camera um and then you have a billion people know about it the funny thing is I don't actively hold things back like I'm a pretty open book but it is like there's something about sharing your life with somebody where they see all the like what do you like when you're sick what do you like

when something goes really well when something goes really poorly and there's there's just too much intimacy for there to be any posturing whatsoever because they just see you too often um yeah it's interesting so these are the things that AI are going to enable you know uh imagine with this level of BCI where you can't lie I mean interesting right because you could probably make up uh simulated truths that you honestly believe and people do do that anyway going back uh where do you want to take this back to Let's rewind the tape here well

so the thing that I want to know so this is all very interesting to me in terms of where this goes and how far out it gets and it really does become quite fascinating but right now there are tremendous opportunities for people that really understand what's going on uh obviously bold Capital this is a big part of where you place your bets is do I understand a little bit more than other people where this is all going so what what is the right now today Bridge what are the opportunities that somebody listening to this should

understand whether it's AI Quantum Computing longevity where are the big opportunities so I I believe without question the two biggest business markets on the planet are Ai and Longevity right uh if you think about from a national standpoint a national leader of a country uh should care about the health and the uh the integral of intelligence over their country if you could increase the intelligence of your nation by 20% right or the health of your nation by 20% massive right or in a company increase the intelligence of your of your uh your Workforce or the

health of your Workforce these are huge levers to move you know I'm often um keynoting inside of companies or YPO events or other you know uh about those two subjects I mean that's my typical like that's all that matters right now ai and Longevity and and I'll ask people in know in you know a wealthy group um uh individuals I mean honestly how much of your Capital would you give up for an extra 20 healthy years um and if they're honest about it it's well over 50% of of their of you're going to spend it

anyway at the end of your life yeah right trying to like deal with wouldn't you give a 100% I think people would but then they say well I'm going to leave it to my kids or I'm going to leave it to my philanthropy or whatever the case my hold on hold on hold on I want to paint a scenario you you are before I am I am with you I'm listen I don't want to leave the money their behalf I want to understand this mindset because this is shocking to me uh you were before a

credible Source let's call this credible Source God just to make it easy and God is like hey bro button on the left uh you get 20 extra years but you're going to give me every dime all of your assets everything button on the right you die tomorrow but you get to give your family all your assets yeah you're telling me there are people that h% because uh people want to leave a legacy why the hell do you give a billion dollars to Harvard um do they really need another billion dollars you know you want a

legacy there people want to know that they're going to live that their legacy is going to live after them whether it's in the form of their kids or the form of their name and so yeah um there's a balancing act maybe it's 20% that they would hold back uh those are not the buttons before you there is no 20% there's all or nothing but you wow okay uh that's crazy to me and but going back to your question I think longevity is one of the largest business opportunities that's going to materialize over the dec you

take advantage of it what what are you doing to be ahead of the curve um uh well building companies there in that so so Fountain life is s my my biggest company I'm building for a global footprint for enabling everyone to have access to the best Therapeutics and the best Diagnostics right the Diagnostics are is there anything going on inside your body right now you need to know about if there is you want to know because you can take action we find 2% of the people who go through Fountain life have a cancer they don't

know about 2 and a half% have an aneurism they don't know about 14.4% have either uh metabolic disease neuro neurodegenerative disease cardiovascular disease something you need to take action on right away and so the thesis there is your body no longer needs to be a black box yes the the thesis is your body is amazingly good at hiding disease incredibly good and you're better off confronting you're better off knowing as early as you can because you can do something about all of these things and why now what what is now because because the tech is

there to image at High Fidelity without the false negatives and the tech is there to understand what the data means right so a friend of mine super successful individual um who I'm doing business with in in Fountain life and and uh and he wanted to go through the experience goes through the experience and we discovered two aneurysms in his brain wow serious aneurysms he's in surgery a week later they're they're clipped and blocked and he's fine and that threat but um had he not it was a ticking Time Bomb for him right we all know

people who have oh my God they died in their sleep um or they go to the hospital and the doctor says I'm sorry to tell you this but you got stage three or stage four whatever is it didn't happen that morning it's been going on for some time you just don't know how so the stats are the following 70% of people who have a heart attack had no previous symptoms right uh you don't detect cancer until it's stage three or four from a pain or something going on it is a slow your body is amazingly

good at hiding it uh you don't de develop a uh parkinsonian Tremor until 70% of the substantia uh uh neurons are gone and so you need to look and people say I don't want to know I say of course you want to know as early as you can fully know because there's now things things you can do about it for sure medicine has progressed incredibly well and it's moving and if you're wealthy you want to know because I want to fund the research to solve that thing right so um in Fountain the two questions is

is something going on you to know about today and if there isn't fantastic I go every year for my upload and then I'm tested throughout the year on stuff that I'm incrementally improving and the second thing is what are you likely to develop and how do we push that off how do we solve that how do we reduce your chance of heart neurovascular you whatever it might be uh so that's what I'm building I built a couple of companies one in stem cells with Bob huri who's a CEO there called cellularity another one called vaccin

that's developing vaccines so vaccines are amazing things your your brain is the most complicated machine in the universe that we know of your immune system is the next your immune system is protecting you against infectious disease again against cancers right we're all developing cancers all the time and your immune system your natural killer cells find those cancer cells right CU cells replicate a certain number it's called the hay flick limit you know 50 60 replications and then they should have the decency to die if they don't they can become scile cells putting out inflammatory factors

or they can become cancer cells Immortal cells and they grow and your natural killer cells detect those cancer cells and zap them but as you grow older you have something called imuno exhaustion your immune system starts to slow down and you don't detect it and they can start to grow and so if you can find cancers on MRI there are things called The Grail tests which take a liquid biopsy blood biopsy and looking for cancer DNA in your bloodstream and so you can you can do something about these now um so uh vaccines I was

that's where I was I was talking about vaccines so vaccines we know about it from mRNA vaccines for uh from for covid and such but we can now develop vaccines to activate your immune system to fight cancer like like go attack that you can vaccinate against cancer there are cancer vaccines now being developed the first one that was approved by the FDA was for melan which is one of the most deadliest cancers uh one of my companies vaccin has a vaccine in phase two for Parkinson's uh uh going to phase three for Alzheimer's we have

a uh a phase one asset in hyperemia so going a vaccine which goes you vaccinate yourself um it activates your immune system to go and go after a particular enzyme in the liver called p C sk9 which creates the bad cholesterol LDL low density lipoproteins um and That vaccine which you'd vaccinate yourself twice a year for two injections a year injections might be 20 bucks 50 bucks basically drops your cholesterol level down so I have hypercholesteremia in my family um my dad had very high cholesterol whole slew of medical stuff so I'm very sensitive to

it um I I don't want to do statins I take a very small amount of Statin for an anti-inflammatory effect that's a different story but I take something uh called a um uh I take something called aatha which is a uh uh a uh antibody that's manufactured in a vat um and I get a few MLS of this and I have to inject it every two weeks that anti body goes to that pcsk9 enzyme in my liver and blocks it from producing LDL now it cost me $10,000 a year and I have to do it

every two weeks but it drops my LDL level down into a beautiful green zone I'm using these antibodies produced in a manufacturing plant and ship to me what we built in vacinity was a vaccine that I inject and it causes my own immune system to manufacture that same antibody for free to block that pcsk9 enzyme that make sense yes and you're doing that now yes I'm not well we're developing the vaccine right now the first results were amazing we're you know going from phase one into phase two uh long story short the ability um there

are these monoclonal antibodies uh which are like the top selling drugs and uh it's using these antibodies which are proteins to go and block a certain process we talked about that a little bit earlier but they're expensive but the idea now is instead of manufacturing these monoclonal antibodies in a in a vat in a Pharma manufacturing plant can you just teach your own immune system to produce that same antibody and that's the future of uh of vaccines your vaccine um the vaccine is playing your immune system like an app my wife Lisa struggled profoundly with

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$110 off okay let me see if I can boil that down to a thesis so for somebody that is trying to figure out where the opport unities are right now because we're living in this hyper disruptive time yeah I want people to be aware of the ways in which things are being disrupted so that they can go in and take advantage there's so okay so I'm going we're going back to the investment side here so listen uh we're in the middle of a biotech winter right now just to be clear there was um if you

look at all the biotech companies out there they're significantly depressed so if you're playing the public markets and you find companies that have good cash position and have uh strong potential drug candidates it's a great time to buy because the stocks are all like 10 or 100 fold depressed so I just put that out there one second um I think Health uh I think the medical system the Health Care system is so broken it's pathetic I think we're going to I think it's going to crumble on under its own weight and so we're going to

reinvent how we deliver healthc care I think at home you're going to all be we're all going to be monitored so I'm wearing a continuous glucose monitor right now I've got my Aur ring I've got my Apple watch so there's going to be a whole slew of wearables all of that wearable data is going to monitor me 24/7 so one of the things we we do it Fountain as well is we bring in all your wearable data so in between your annual uploads which are deep dives into you we're monitoring what's going on so we're

going to see are you making recommendations based on what you see absolutely absolutely so for supporting your sleep for supporting your diet so my my continuous glucose monitor right and there's companies like levels or there's free Libre there's others that measure how your body reacts to eating those P peanuts or that Snickers bar and how quickly your blood sugar elevates and how quickly it goes back down and based upon that you know uh going into pre-diabetic or becoming a diabetic your glucose is is a poison in the body I don't know people realize that our

bodies were never designed to eat as much sugar as we do and glucose sticks to proteins and then your immune system sees that glycosilated protein as a foreign and attacks it and causes inflammation so a lot of cardiovascular disease and neuroinflammatory disease is a result of people's diet but you don't talk about that no one talks about that okay so um I was going somewhere slightly different when I said thesis so I don't necessarily mean investing but I mean if I can create an overarching uh thesis on what it is that links all this stuff

together uh so your interpretation of where we are in the world right now as I understand it is uh your body body no longer needs to be a black box yes we now have the Imaging capacity to see what's going on we have the ability to do something about it there are Therapeutics that are advancing now very rapidly yes where you can leverage the body's own systems in in a um intentionally triggered fashion whether that's through vaccines whether that's through some other mechanism um but we're getting we have a deep enough understanding of the body's

mechanisms that we're able to trigger those and get them to go in and clean up whether it's LDL or something else and people need to realize that your health is something you can do something about and if I I think about having a longevity mindset and what does a longevity mindset mean it means I believe and I do believe this that this next decade we're going to see incredible progress and 10 years from now we're going to have the ability to live an extra 20 healthy years what do you think that progress is going to

be in the ability to manipulate the immune system so so I think it's uh a lot of what we're doing on this x prise we just announced right so we get um $101 million from Evolution uh from Chip uh chip Wilson who is uh the founder of Lululemon who put up you know 26 million plus another $10 million purse for his disease called fshd it's a muscular distrophy and we're asking teams to reverse the functional loss in muscle immune and cognition right so you're moving well you've got great immunity and you're thinking clearly and so

over the next seven years we're going to have incredible progress in those areas that's one of the the I don't want to call it uh it's one of the thrusts that I'm focused on moving the needle forward and so if you believe that we're going to have this uh this progress your longevity mindset needs to be I'm going to do whatever it takes to live long enough to intercept these other breakthroughs so I I arrive at this point in reasonably good health so for me that's the thesis that we're going to have these breakthroughs from

biotech from from cellular medicines from Gene therapies from crisper Technologies from all of these things from Ai and if I'm able to keep myself in good enough health I'm going to intercept these and it's going to buy me the next 20 years and during that time they going to be additional breakthroughs will buy me the next 20 years if you want that if you love life and you want to see what's coming in the next you know Century um there's good reason for you to take care of yourself what does that look like taking care

of yourself s right now there are things that people need to be doing um and I I just you know I wrote a book that just came out called uh longevity your practical Playbook um I've you know I just wrote a book last year with Tony Robbins called life force we we did a conversation about that great book and it's 700 pages and it's amazing and very few people get through a 700 page book so I wanted to write a very practical book that looks at and says this is what I'm doing and this is

what I think um is science backs and I put it into uh a few very simple chapters number one what to do about diet because there are fundamental things we can come back to that sleep um exercise like the most important thing right you think exercise is more important than diet and I'll come back come back to that so they're all important you know diet sleep exercise mindset super important not dying from something stupid which I call doing your upload at Fountain like knowing what's going on inside your body and then meds and supplements so

the book looks at that I actually uh I made a reduction that was the word a reduction of that into what I call my uh my practical my you know Peter's longevity practices which I have a copy over there which is free for people it's a 25 30 page like this is what I'm doing and why at DM andis.com DM andis.com longevity um and you can get my book there you can get this uh this PDF download um and it's it's very definitive so listen there's no one diet for everybody I've been a vegan I

I've been uh you know keto diet I'm mostly Mediterranean but the things I've discovered is number one sugar is a poison um minimizing your sugar and and why whole plants are critically important even the order in which you eat your food matters like if you're given like you go out to for dinner at a restaurant when they bring you the bread and the wine ask him to bring it back during the dinner course um if you're going to eat the bread at least dip it in olive oil first glucose talking about not spiking your glucose

immediately right which is the worst thing you can it really drives you to so why bring it back is it eating proteins first so what you want to do is on your plate eat your vegetables first if it's if it's asparagus if it's broccoli if it's a salad the fiber slows down your digestion eat your protein next and then eat your carbs last um it slows down your sugar spike it actually allows you to absorb the best nutrients out of your PL of food first so even making that small you'll lose weight you'll get better

nutrition and you'll actually feel full having eating the best stuff first right it's just a really small trick that I'm just like you know once I learn that it's like okay I need to tell everybody about that it's a small the order in which you eat your food matters right so there's a whole bunch about diet there um exercise is probably the single most important thing I have stepped up my exercise from like two or three days a week to 5 days a week your physique has changed dramatically yeah I've added muscle and it's my

goal to add muscle muscle is one of the most important uh previty parts of your life are you doing trt uh I am I do take a certain amount of testosterone and it's simply I don't actually feel different I am taking a small amount of testosterone uh simply to support muscle growth it on blood levels I do uh I I'm staying in like 800 uh range and sometimes up to a th but does it increase your libido it doesn't it doesn't it it doesn't touch my libido I mean my libido is fine but I don't

if I'm off it or on it it doesn't make a difference and you know people who've got you know I don't think I I exhibit grouchy old man syndrome so I'm I'm you know I'm like the most positive person I know no doubt um but I'm using it specifically for supporting muscle mass but then I'm doing 150 gram of protein a day I'm having creatin I'm taking amino acid supplementation I'm focused on adding muscle mass um as you grow older adding muscle becomes harder and harder yeah and one of the unfortunate mechanisms that a lot

of people die as they go into their 70s and 80s I'm 62 right now is uh you fall because of muscle weakness you break a pelvis or a hip you end up in the hospital it's painful to breathe you get a pneumonia and you're down for the count right it's happened to my dad happens a lot of people and the survival rate post to hip or pelvis fracture if you're over 70 is like really low so you don't want to do that you want to maintain muscle mass it also maintains your stem cell population and

your blood um in your in your muscle so um there's an interesting stat I memorized this one because it was important if you're over 60 and you can exercise doesn't have to be super intense but some resistance exercises can be with width or without weights twice a week uh it reduces your all cause mortality by 50% and reduces your chance of cancer by threefold waa yeah your body um the signals you give your body from exercise and moving is that I'm still useful I still want to be here right the other thing in the mental

game is don't retire you know Google the correlation between retirement and death it's like five years W it's really so you know when you retire and you don't feel purpose in your life you know um I'm going to read something from this is uh the longevity practices book and there's a section on mindset here and I just think it's really so important so um I'm going to read this to you says in a study of 69,7 44 Women and 1429 men this is unusual cuz it's more women than men published in the prestigious Journal proceedings

of the National Academy of Science you know super high-end peer-reviewed publication it was found that optimistic people lived as much as 15% longer than pessimists 155 wow pretty amazing your mindset matters and you know making use of your body and being out there and having purpose and all of these things are subtle Clues right we all know people that very close to their husband or wife and their spouse dies and then they die weeks later right here's another uh here's another story here one of my favorite stories illustrating uh illustrating the power of Mind Over

uh a lifespan comes from the anals the anals of American history as it turns out in an extraordinary demonstration of the will to live two of America's founding fathers Thomas Jefferson and John Adams both willed themselves to live long enough to see the 50th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence even though in the early 1800s the average lifespan was only 44 years old Jefferson who was then 83 and Adams who was 90 made it made it to July 4th 1826 both dying on that exact date the 50th anniversary of the nation's founding wow amazing I

didn't know that yeah I love that story um having purpose in life being optimistic making use of your body all of these things are fundamental and when I think about a longevity mindset it is really you know I live with this every day I care about this every day I am I think this is the most exciting time ever in human history to be alive with what's going on and opening up the space for with because of the rate of change because the rate of change because of the rate of potential it's like an infinite

you know I mean if you were born a 100 years ago and every year right at my abundance 360 Summit I look back 100 years and I look at like what was life like 100 years ago and what was the rate of innovation 100 years ago and the numbers and the examples are crazily slow and I don't remember 18 1923 I remember 1922 there were seven breakthroughs in that year I not like seven in a week or seven in a month it was seven in the entire year and I searched everywhere patent filings headlines writeups

and so it was like it was like the uh uh uh water ski was invented uh the a me a mechanical uh uh mechanical garage door opener uh a retractable roof for the Ford Model T um uh vomite it was on the list I me I was searching for stuff I was searching for Stuff one of the seven is VE blender a blender um for making malts and it was like the pace of change was so slow and we're living in a world today where there's like massive breakthroughs you know every hour of the day

it's a rate of change though that I think now was giving people anxiety how do how do you help people navigate that um because I think that the ability I define entrepreneurs as people who find problems and solve problems and I think entrepreneurs are more empowered than ever before to solve problems and that uh that they are entrepreneurs are in our world creating a better and more capable world I mean I think we take for granted the fact that you know on our phone we've got what we would have spent tens of millions of dollars

if it was even possible 20 years ago for two-way free video conferencing all right every every game every book every piece of music accessible for free and we forget what the incredible world we live in uh I think people who are more in uh teaching meditation and spirituality going to help people deal with the with the uh uh anxiety but I want folks to realize the magical Universe they're they're living in you know I think about creating a world in which every mom knows her kids has access to the best health care education all the

food water energy right this is the world of abundance I I I you know when I first wrote abundance with Steven Cotler 12 years ago I talked about about creating a world not of luxury but a world of possibility right and I still believe that and there's no velocity switch there's no onoff switch to this technology it's happening uh so what do you dream about what do you wish you had what do you want to do I mean you can put it all away and go live in the forest um and and people will but

most choose not to it's interesting I don't know if you if I ever showed you the comic that I did called neon future but it was contemplating this idea what happens when AI shows up and when uh brain computer interfaces exist and people are able to augment their bodies what what happens and my thesis is and I think this will will bear out that Society will bifurcate absolutely and you will get people who are like no way I'm not going to augment myself in any way shape or form AI is the devil uh and they

will fight to keep Society the way that it is we saw BL Society occur we have seen parts of that a rejection of Technology right we saw the Amish rejecting you know the Ford Model T and electricity but I think people desire convenience they desire power they desire um having their hopes and dreams fulfilled I I don't know I think they will bifurcate but I think the vast majority will pursue um uh accessing all of it it's interesting I think it will play out something like this uh I think that the rate of change is

going to cause a lot of people a lot of turmoil they will get addicted to things like social media and the dopamine cycle uh their sense of well-being will be tremendously disrupted by um losing a sense of purpose to Ai and the reason that even in the face of all of that I consider myself wildly optimistic about the future I am very aggressively a techno optimist um is because I don't think that Evolution and that's probably is the right word though I don't just mean it from the sort of standard perspective of your DNA mutation

mutations accumulate and you get better I mean technological Evolution societal Evolution um I don't think it cares about any one generation and it will gladly create a period of 15 to 20 years of just absolute brutality but on the other side of that will be a generation that grows up with just oh this is all der rer and yeah I have a quantum computer in my pocket and there's Fusion Energy and it's abundant anything I can imagine becomes real and the person that I want to speak to is the person that wants to map out

where this goes and how to ride this wave well and to your point and I don't know if this is what you meant by power but to me power is the ability to close your eyes imagine World better than this one open your eyes acquire the skills to actually make that world come true and when I think about as a filmmaker all my entire journey to getting into business and growing Quest and you know spending 20ish years of my life doing something sort of to the side of what I really wanted to do was because

I had no idea how to break into the industry because making a film was a no budget film was $100,000 yeah and now it will be if I were to have kids today my kids would grow up in a world where you just type onto your phone the kind of movie in fact they they're not even going to type they they would go and the the thing that they are most likely to want to see in that moment would exist yes and as long as we're able to understand our baser natures and not be a

slave to algorithms but instead go okay I understand how I have to create distance from this I can't allow myself to get addicted I want to use these things in order to what whatever experience whatever thing you want to experience um then I think that that we be okay and I think so I'll make a prediction I think you agree with this I think I've heard you talk about this but if not let me know um the reason that the fairy Paradox isn't a paradox is I don't think people end up exploring space I think

they explore virtual yes worlds which will be far more interesting than anything that's a slave to physics yeah and that's that's the reality that I think that we're moving towards and between here and there many people will be broken emotionally and they simply won't be your competition and so for those that are paying attention and figuring out how to leverage this technology you will create the next wave of opportunity and you will Thrive I agree with all of that um and I do agree that there's going to be a period of turbulence over the next

five to 15 years and that turbulence is going to come because we're in the midst of a phase change in society um you you know you've had you've had Mo goodat on the show right twice twice yeah and mo has become a dear friend we're working on a documentary together around scary smart uh his book which I commend to everybody and you know I've had this conversation with Elon that on the flip side of AGI we do have abundance uh defined as uh access to all the food water energy Healthcare education that you want everybody

has access to it's completely democratized and demonetized um and I think that's a more peaceful world as well if you can have what you want um it's also somewhat of a post capitalist world but we can talk about that separately um then you're less likely to you know blow yourself up in a suicide vest um and uh you know if you if everybody could be expansive and they almost in their own light cone sort to speak instead of having to uh oppress other people you just go and you you build and you create um how

do we cross the chasm though because there's a big so that's the issue is the chasm over the next 5 to 10 years uh when AI comes in in the near term and think we're going to see this I think you know mo and I have talked about patient zero being the 2024 presidential elections right why um because I think it is you know in 2020 Cambridge analytica moved the needle and caused A disruption uh with you know massive budget in 2024 a kid in their garage using generative AI can do that by creating deep

fakes deep fakes uh you know uh creating um you know social uh uh persuasive arguments um that get traction and are sway people's thinking whether they're true or not I mean say something enough times to somebody in enough ways and they believe it um and stop asking well is this true and where to come from uh it's just you know we have all of these cognitive biases um which are fascinating it's a whole field I I'm fascinated by that our brain takes all these shortcuts because we can't process all the information so I've got a

recency cognitive bias I give more value to something I recently heard right I've got a familiarity bias I give if someone dresses and looks like me I give it more Credence I have a negativity bias I give much more Credence and negative information than positive information and this sort of stuff saved your life on the savanas of Africa 100,000 years ago today you can be manipulated by them um so um I think I forgot where I was going let me ask what what is the thing about the 2024 election that you're most afraid of besides

who might become president um well if that's the thing you're most afraid of I well I think it's going to become I think we have a divisiveness coming uh and people are playing full out and uh it's no longer gentlemanly politics uh and I think um you know part of this is a post truuth economy where you can't tell whether something is truthful or not and one of the things I'm afraid about is more Civil War than anything else yeah right um so this next I'm the you know I'm the person who the glass is

not half full it's overflowing but yet I do see this period of turbulence we have a whole population we have a whole generation having gone through covid who are now going to step into a world where they're not getting the jobs they expected because AI is coming in and taking a number of those jobs um so there's going to be youthful social unrest sounds like Arab Spring almost over again uh so how do we how do we navigate that uh and I've been thinking about that um uh my wife Kristen madat and I have been

you know talking about what do you teach people how do you navigate this um and part of it is how do people survive uh traumatic experiences because it's going to be traumatic for a lot of people but yet on the flip side of this we're going to see I think tremendous abundance so it is something we have to navigate but Humanity navigates these things over and over again we navigated World War I World War II uh you know um do you have any um rules or insights I'm not sure what the right moniker to put

it on it is that you want people to understand about themselves or whatever to help us navigate this well I want to have those I'm not sure I have them formed yet um I think that the most important thing is a hopeful having hope about the future you know if you ask yourself the question um in the year 2023 would you rather live here now than the year 1900 do you have an answer for me yes for you yeah obviously obviously right and I think the vast majority uh when I ask people is is you

know and people who say the you know the good old days 1900 they're fooling themselves for sure uh you know first time they got an infection they'd be like whoa yes I'm dead uh you know the streets of any major city stank from urine and manure from horses y um life was short and brutish the average age was 40 you got you were dead from tuberculosis by then I mean it it was really brutal and you would you would work 708 80 hour work weeks and your kids were working to try and make ends meet

child labor was was prominent back then so we romanticize the past um and between the year 1900 and today uh I did the work I'm right I have a a book come I'm got a book coming out in the first half of next year called age of abundance which is my follow on to my first book and I looked at what were the number of uh needless deaths over over this last century uh and if you look at disease Warfare and uh starvation it was about 240 million people died from those whoa right so you

had 50 million people dying from just uh the Spanish Flu in World War I and you look at just I mean it's pretty we lived a pretty brutal life over the last 123 years 20th century was rough and yet we got here and so I think ultimately it's about the human Spirit overcoming these things and so I am hopeful that the human spirit will allow us to evolve to this next level and we are we are evolving as Humanity uh we're evolving technologically and societally and we are also going to evolve in other ways we're

going to go from evolution by Darwinism natural selection to evolution by human Direction uh and it's moving fast right this is what Ray kwell talks about in The Singularity um that you know in his you know there's lots of singulari Singularity comes from physics as a as a Event Horizon you can't see beyond right and so we're really close to the AI Singularity which is I can't tell you what's going to happen in 5 years let alone 10 years with AI it's moving so incredibly fast and then Ray talks about the singularity is the convergence

of all of these bio info Nano information Technologies from AI biotechnologies nanotechnologies which is transforming life at such a rapid how real is nanotechnology uh I think it is definitively real um right now today uh there are people working on elements of it a good friend of mine has dropped off the planet to go invest his wealth in building it um what does it do today so so um today uh we are building molecular machines versus Atomic machines so what is nanotechnology in the first place nanotechnology is the ability to assemble things atom by atom

so Eric Drexler wrote a book in 1986 called engines of Creation in which he looked at uh nanotechnology and the ability to the physics and the energetics of being able to build things atom by atom um and his he writes about an idea called an assembler which is a machine that's able to grab a silicon atom or an oxygen atom or a nitrogen atom and bond it and assemble things and an and a assembler I could have an assembler in my hand and I can command it to take atoms from my skin and manufacture an

assembler and give it to you and now you have one and you can have that assembler replicate itself right and these are Atomic machines and now I can drop it in the soil and I can say produce me an electric Lamborghini and it can go to the open source and find a design for an electric Lamborghini and then it will take the atoms out of the soil it'll need energy energy is abundant in the universe and it'll say I need a kilogram of titanium or a kilogram of lithium or whatever the case might be um

and you'll provide that feed that Raw Feed stock and we'll manufacture this for you now we uh we know this um like an oak tree seed is a uh is a if you would nanotechnology you take a seed for an oak tree you plant it it just does it very slowly mhm it takes the the atom it has the information set inside of that that uh Oak seed and it grabs atoms from the soil and then energy from the Sun and over time it builds a Mighty Oak it just does it at a very slow

time frame and so the question is can you build Atomic machines that can manufacture things at a much faster time frame and so um there is nothing that has been uh uh ever shown that said it's impossible from the laws of physics and we're building things now at a molecular level and in some cases an atomic level um and I believe you know Ray Kell's prediction is that it is um you know in the next 15 years that we'll see these coming into existence and AI will become probably our most valued tool for being able

to produce those uh uh those atomic assemblers and then it's between Ai and and nanotechnology it's the universe is reinvented instantly we we're in a post- capitalist Society at that point what has value anymore very few things yeah so what is a post capitalist society thenes that look like God you really want to go there um it's uh so a Jeremy riffkin wrote a book called zero marginal Society uh which talks about this and it's a it's a it's a world of massive abundance where you can have almost anything you want uh There Is wealth

accumulation for the people who get started earlier in that but I I would rather just focus on the notion that in in this world you can have access to all the food water energy Healthcare education everything you want it's available um I know listen I can tell you the world's going to get very strange very fast yeah my my concern going back to the nearest term strangeness would be the 202 Richard feeman that's his name okay Richard feeman Professor yes wrote about this he wrote a in in the I think 1958 he wrote a very

famous paper gave a lecture called there's plenty of room at the bottom and he said let's look not at macro structures and the universe but let's look at atomic structure and Richard fan wrote effectively the first paper on nanotechnology and then Eric Drexler wrote the first book on the subject and really explored the physics of it interesting yeah I don't know a lot about fem men but certainly uh somebody that comes up a lot um so the thing that I'm most concerned about in the immediate term the 2024 election the thing that I'm worried about

is that people will do deep fake videos and it is distressing to me one how good they are and two if you know what you're looking for you can usually tell pretty quickly what's fake and what's real but the average person can't doesn't know and I'll see a video come across my exfeed that clearly is a deep fake and people are riled up in the comments as if it's real and I'm like the barrage of things that will come will be I have to tell you funny story so um you know my podcast is called

moonshots and uh uh it's been fun and I focused mostly on interviewing entrepreneurs who are taking big moon shots in the world folks who want to you know do amazing things and their stories of getting there and the difficulties and how they overcome them and such uh about 3 months ago my team created an avatar of me I saw the interview and I interviewed myself and I was blown away I call it Peter bot and uh it's both visual it looks like me it moves its arms around it sounds like MEPS are in syn it's

trained on all of my books and all my blogs and so um and it's great and it's I'm really proud of that uh of that interview and I I I said it did a better job uh and as a orator and as someone communicating my ideas than I did it was it was amazing um and I asked it to talk about what were the downside scenarios of deep fakes and tell me a story and it instantly whipped up a story about a young female politician who is running for election and the opponent creates a deep

fake of of her and information gets out there and despite the fact that it's not true the story starts spreading virally and her ability to overcome it when it's out of the gate was impossible and that is problemsome problematic yep lies go around the world faster than the truth could put on his shoes yeah love that saying oh my God that's terrifying uh yeah I think that's exactly what's going to happen you said something earlier you said people are playing for real or for Keeps or I foret the exact phrase he used but that is

true right now people are playing for all the marbles so one uh I would like to see the blockchain used to Watermark somehow signify this thing is real I think it's the most important technology for that and it's actually the most important use of blockchain you know I've always been like okay besides like Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies and so forth what's blockchain really going to be valuable for I think it's truth authentication yes correct this thing is real the the obviously cryptocurrency the blockchain has become incredibly divisive some people are totally for it and as

again somebody developing games I'm like right at the intersection of people hate or love this technology but if I could get them to understand it's just the technology it lets you do a thing and so what is that thing that it lets you do and what it does is it brings the laws of physics to the virtual world and if tomorrow is going to be more virtual than today and it is then you better have something that brings some of the laws of physics like the ability to say okay I can authenticate this thing so

sitting across from you now I obviously I don't have any concerns about whether you're real or not and for a very long time it was well a picture or a video that's easy and then it became well a picture you can fake but video is still real and now it's okay even video man is super easy to fake and so that becomes really disconcerting and if we don't have a way to Market and say this thing is real this thing is not and make it ubiquitous so that when it shows up on my feed I

it it is self-evident this one is real and this one is what is the blue check equivalent right exactly and so that to me becomes really really important to your point about the election being patient zero it's like this is coming right now right now this is not a tomorrow problem this is a two-day problem and given who's running this is going to be a nightmare and so I'm I am super worried and when you look at Rio who's up to his the last prediction I saw was 40% likelihood of Civil War in the US

50% likelihood of a global World War and so it's like whoa like these are terrifying odds yes uh they are and it's the human element um that's at stake here right it's it's humans doing this to themselves it's correct one of important things people need to realize that technology is not inherently evil it's how humans utilize the technology and we have so much to live for and so much potential ahead of us infinite uh adjacent potentials um you know when I think about one of why AI is important it may well be to navigate all

this stuff I don't know that we humans are able to I don't know given all of the complexities of politics and social beliefs and distr trusts you know is there is there some means by which a more brilliant or capable more gentle AI is able to step in and support us during this transition period uh it's a conversation that's out there and we're one we're thinking about we talk about AI being the massive disruptor can it be the massive stabilizer as well let me paint a scenario for you and as somebody with are you kids

11 now my kids are 12 12 uh as some for those listening they two fraternal twin boys yeah yes somebody that has kids who this will impact I'll be very interested to get your take on this so um I am actively building an artificial world with artificial characters that as the technology matures we can't do this yet but this this will be real very quickly uh I want to build char characters that you have a real relationship with that you get to know they get to know you they react differently to you um they have

memory and when I think about I think technology has really created a loneliness epidemic for a lot of people but ironically I think technology is going to be the solve for that loneliness now the question becomes will it be a better or worse world that that remains to be seen but with my optimistic haton um I think people's best friends certainly in 10 years from now most people's best friend will be in AI in 20 years barring just absolute nuclear catastrophe like for sure biological weapon that's probably more likely uh that seems a certainty and

that so people will have friendships that are AI but they'll also have romantic relationships and even potentially this one freaks me out but potentially sexual relationships with AI um what do you think about that um yeah I I think that we're going to have uh relationships with AIS that are intimate because they know you better than you know yourself literally literally right I'm I'm writing I'm I just finished my chapters on AI in age of for age of abundance and I'm working on the humanoid robot chapters today and so AIS will in fact um you're

going to give permission to your AIS to listen to your phone calls read your emails watch what you're eating watch what you're doing you're going to do it openly because when you give it that permission it can help you in an amazing fashion right so it'll remember everyone you've forgotten so when the person's approaching you it'll be you know my favorite right your know the kid' birthday and so forth if you want to be if you want to you know follow my diet recommendations it will for your AR glasses it will tell you don't eat

that or it'll have pre-ordered for you at the restaurant uh you'll listen it'll listen to your conversation so we'll remind you everything and people go I don't want it knowing this stuff I mean well come on be serious I mean Alexa is listening in your bedroom right now Google knows everything you've searched for Microsoft knows everything on your email um you know it's Apple knows all of your you know I mean if you think you have privacy today don't fool yourself also here's what I would invite people to think about imagine because right now they're

thinking about uh Jeff Bezos knowing what they're up to or Larry Page knowing what they're up to that doesn't feel good but if you think of it this way uh hey Peter you just got into tune argument with your wife and I see from your aura ring that your blood pressure has gone up um you know I obviously you've invited me to listen into these things here's a perspective you might want to take like you know if you remember she's very sensitive to this and you said that and that you know might have been what

set her off but look hey I totally understand where you're coming from I see your position 100% super empathic exactly super empathic in fact there was a study recently done it was published in jamama the Journal of American Medical Association something like that um in which in a study of humans and AIS giving advice to patients the AIS were like 10 times more empathic than the humans and another study looking at therapists you're more likely to be open and honest with an AI than a human therapist because the AI is not going to judge you

y you can also tailor the a AI I don't want you to try to solve the problem AI I just want you to understand my feelings yes yeah and it will do as told so we're we're going to be it's going to be interesting but I think you're going to that AI if it if the AI has access to the backward looking cameras on an augmented goggles so it can see where your eyes are looking and if it sees me staring for an extra microsc at a logo on your shirt that shows curiosity or if

it sees my eye avert from something that I don't like that is so much information that's almost subconscious information to you right if you're looking to buy clothing and you see it knows from a conversation you had with a friend that you're looking to find and you Blazer and so you you look an extra few seconds at a a guy's Blazer as they're walking by and it may say um do you like that that and you're like I do it say okay I'll order it for you right so it's like knowing the ability for it

to know you more intimately than you are honestly willing to know yourself is there and that will build an extraordinary relationship yeah and to you know for For Better or Worse here is the human psyche at work if you have a friend who effectively lives to understand you to feel your pain your jokes over and over again yes like you will feel seen there is something so wonderful about feeling seen go to that conversation about is there someone in your life who knows you intimately and doesn't judge you it's exactly right yeah it is a

level of connection uh that few people know and yeah I think we'll also be able to give the AI a personality so that it isn't I was thinking about this when you were talking about um how we will all become the B Borg Borg borgor and uh Kinder kind Kinder gentler Borg yes and I was thinking you know it's interesting because the the way that we individualize ends up being a really cool part of the human experience that my wife has a unique perspective that she sees the world in a certain way that is complimentary

to the way that I see the world makes her an incredible partner and I don't want her to be exactly like I am so I don't want my AI companion to be a mirror that's not interesting I want my AI companion to be that perfectly tailored complimentary thing to me so that they're they're siding with me at times but then other times they're sort of pulling me along by the way you can fracture that AI into five different personalities all who know you well all so true wow one is one is uh sensual and sexual

one is funny God one is funny one is pushing you to do better one is commiserating for with you here this is going to get weird it is going to get weird very weird very fast I love that you just gave me an idea for a story that is so interesting yeah yeah it's amazing I want to see this world um and for those who say oh my God slow down I don't want to see it I like the way it is right now you know um I hate to say this there there's no velocity

knob on this technological world there's no onoff switch it is moving at lightning speed our job is to steer it to navigate uh to inspire and guide it right um to avoid that 40% Civil War 50% World War all of those those things CU on the back end of this I do believe there's a stabilized Society and a a world of extraordinary abundance out there um I don't think we have a I don't think we have a choice we're we're evolving we're evolving very rapidly um so you know bringing this back I mean the work

that we do at the x prise foundation is trying to evolve to guide to create that positive world of the future and guide us and guide where entrepreneurs invest their time and energy in a positive world so um I mean it's fun we've launched now $400 million in X prizes wow which have driven uh uh you know on the at least $4 billion dollar in R&D and what we're trying to do at The X prize is say this is what's possible in the year 2040 in energy in health in education right education is another massively

about to be transformed World I'll come back in a minute um and saying okay what's the road map to get there and what are the breakthroughs we need to get there you know so I mentioned earlier of two 12-year-old boys I don't think the educational system is getting them ready for the world that's coming at them what would they need to be ready uh not the stuff they're learning in school right now I've got I've set up a meeting I won't mention my kids go to a very uh uh super high-end amazing private school in

in Santa Monica and um but it's based on the traditional old educational system right so this past year they learned the 50 capitals of the US states and I'm like huh why are I mean that's why God created Google I mean I would rather you and so I wrote a Blog I put out two blogs a week and folks can get it at Dam andis.com but I put out a Blog on what the schools need to be teaching kids today and part of it was this is what I think and then I asked you know

chat GPT what we need to teach our kids and it was very very similar and it's not memorization right so it's uh it's how to ask great questions uh it's finding your passion discovering that and really diving deep into that whether it's developing video games or whether it's you know space which it was for me I mean video games is for my kids um it is learning how to uh how to uh argue your point how to be lead how to be a great leader how to be empathic right these are some fundamentals maybe it's

more philosophy than anything else um and and it's not what we're teaching our kids today so what is the world like my my dad didn't want to buy me a calculator when I was growing up so I could learn you know Basics and I ended up getting a calculator learning how to program on it but what's the world like in like inside of five years where everything is intelligent everything is imbued with intelligence you're talking to your refrigerator your car their desk chair you I don't whatever it is right intelligence is innate in all phys

physical things uh and where even more than that AI has achieved and exceeded human level intelligence right so this whole concept of AGI artificial general intelligence Ray KW predicted we would have it in 2029 he made that prediction in 1999 30 years early and be guess what everyone is agreeing on that date wow his predictions are amazing so elon's predicting like 2028 I just saw uh yesterday the the CEO of Nvidia predicted it's within 5 years which is 28 29 so what happens when when AI human level AI your best teachers your best diagnosticians they're

all AIS and an AI teacher Knows Your Child's favorite color movie Star Sports understands their grasp of language understands that they're tactile Learners versus visual versus auditory where I can enter a virtual world that is spun up instantly we just saw a stability AI right uh with stable diffusion being able to create imagery instantly from just typing and I'm learning about Plato or Socrates or ancient Saudi Arabia or ancient Egypt and I'm living in a virtual world for me and I'm walking around and meeting people and and my in my inquisitiveness is driving me to

want to learn more and he's going to be awesome but it's very different from today it's very different from today um one of the things that when you were talking about the calculator and your dad wanted to make sure that you were able to um do the basics in your head do you consider AI cheating no no more than having a book is cheating compared to what we had before books which was memorizing texts right when the printing press came out you know this Art of Storytelling started going away um I think AI is is

a new superpower and how we utilize it now the big challenge is how do we reconnect purpose in our life I think what you're jumping to there is if AI if you love writing which I do I get up every morning and I write for an hour it's like my precious time if I can write for two hours I will before hitting the gym or before taking the kids to school so I love writing and I love uh that experience of like a well- written paragraph but what happens I can say Hey listen write a

book called age of abundance click yep I it's like it's kind of empty it's like okay yeah I published a book along with the other trillion books that are published today and it's meaningless so we're going to have to reconnect meaning in other ways so a purpose-driven life is so critically important how much do you think the world is going to fragment so when everybody can publish a book when everybody can make a video game when everybody can write their own movie it becomes less it becomes less valuable um so what happens then I think

we have to find Value in different ways I think we have to go after bigger challenges I do believe a good amount of bigger challenges because it will reaggregate people because it will reinspection universes yeah I think Ready Player one is is the inevitable future yeah so but I'm talking about something slightly different so here's the thing as an entrepreneur I think about this a lot uh you say if you want to make a billion dollars help a billion people yeah I don't know that that will be a thing in the future I think 10

certainly 20 years from now everything is so hyper individualized that I when I log into Netflix which of course won't exist but let's just pretend for it makes it easier for people to think when I log into Netflix and I'm scrolling it's going to be making the movies based on where my eye lingered for a little bit longer with the conversation you had an hour ago right so you're pissed or you're just had the most amazing day what's your emotional status right now based upon your emotional feelings or who you're with you want to pick

a movie that is going to like relax you or inspire you or make you laugh whatever the case might be and this process of like Googling or randomly walking into it instead you know the movie will be teed up and ready to go correct and it will be so individualized there won't be this sense of shared experience except for the fact that I'll create a sense of shared experience because my 17 AI personalities will all have experienced it with me and watched it and have their take but now I'm not you know going back back

to the I as when I'm thinking as an entrepreneur I started thinking whoa it's going to be very hard for me to build a big business because I'm going to pick it it will inevitably be just a really deep Niche so I'll make something for you know to use Kevin Kelly's idea of a th000 true fans and now everybody is making something just for a th000 true fans because everything is bifurcated so I'm uh I'm making video games in an anime style for fans of vampire fiction that's in rhyming uh couplets and and and by

the way your AI is producing 10,000 of those individualized variations for the 10,000 raving subgroups exactly yeah so what do you think that does to entrepreneurship in general um I wish I you um I think we're going from mind to materialization I think we're going from deciding you want something to seeing it instantly created um and it's going to it's going to get there hyper fast um your whatever you desire is going to be enabled uh in ways that um are shocking uh so how do we give value because a lot of times we give

value to the struggle of I worked really hard yes to find this thing and I found this Unique Piece of whatever it is or I worked hard to get to that point and when the struggle is gone what does that what does that mean I think you've already answered the question I this is why I think Ready Player one is inevitable So Ready Player One imagines a world that is dystopian and so you create a far more enjoyable reality but I think there's also let's say that you make a utopian world you will still end

up in Ready Player one because you're going to need to create a world that's hard because until you augment the human mind we will I think there's a formula that we that evolution is guaranteed that we will pursue which is that you must work really hard to gain a set of skills that matter to you for whatever reason that allow you to serve yourself and others and you will need all those pieces and you will pursue anything and everything until you get those things a slot in place which is exactly why video games are the

allc consuming medium let me take you on a short Journey over three billion years please uh and give some vision of where things might go on a single trajectory the Earth forms 4 and a half billion years ago the earliest life life forms were somewhere in the 4 billion to 3 billion single cell uh life forms without a nucleus these are uh procaryotic life and as they Advance uh they become they go from procaryotic life to eukariotic life that meant they Incorporated technology into them mitochondria G apparatus and plastic reticulum nuclear uh structures they became

more capable as individual cells of supporting energy and information um then those procaryotic cells now more capable individual cells became multicellular and then those multicellular life forms started differentiating into life forms that were not just multicellular but subspecialized cells tissues and organs and eventually evolved to us so there's a direct line between the these very simple individual cells and you and I at 40 trillion cells I think in the same way that we went from procaryotic to ucareo Life by taking technology in mitochondria and plasmic reticulum nuclear structures and so forth that allowed us to

use energy and information more effectively we humans are the equivalent of that early Pro carotic life we're about to take in technology into ourselves that's going to allow us to connect with each other the same way those individual cells became multicellular lives and so we're going to become this meta intelligence where I'm going to connect with 8 billion people and my experience of life is no longer a single ego I'm now part of a much larger intelligence a meta intelligence that's conscious on a brand new level it's really interesting but I I love two things

about that one it's a very clear vision of where this could go tying back to the way that we have evolved thus far and really showing technology is just another step in that Evolution and the idea of humans as midwives for artificial intelligence is while somewhat disconcerting is still cool to meh um but the other thing I like about that is how much that reveals about you and the way that your mind works um it's very interesting like as I paint the picture of where I think this goes I think I reveal more about myself

than I am accurately predicting the future because I think we'll both agree like on the other side of AI is a singularity we just can't who knows what's really going to happen when artificial super intelligence exists like the idea of something being a billion times smarter than we are now like we we just can't predict but it is utterly fascinating what it tells us about each other to imagine what that future looks like like for me all I can see is ready player one and and I'm working as fast as I can to make that

become a reality because that to me is is just beyond fascinating what happens like cuz I imagine a world where we're not changing the way the human mind works but we're giving it Unlimited Technology the reality is we probably will change the way the human mind works but it's far more I'm far more capable of Imagining the world with technology and my normal brain than I am what I will want and desire and push into as my brain changes um but when I think about in fact my listeners are going to get tired of me

bringing this up but I I'm really having a moment right now with um Minecraft have you played Minecraft before 12year old boys exactly so because I don't I I discovered it very late in life and am utterly fascinated by what I respond to in the game because it's maso's hierarchy of needs without the the top part of the pyramid and seeing how compelling I find it to be like I'm effectively naked and alone yeah to build shelter find food and it is compelling like yeah when when you can really like it's I feel like the

rat in the cage that's able to stimulate the dopamine receptors in my own brain and so now I'm just like pressing that button over and over and over um it is really really fascinating to think that we will be able to create entire worlds that are designed to stimulate all of our whether it's love pleasure so this is where I come back to the desire to live long enough to see as much of it as possible yep right I think let me ask you a a question I find fascinating uh let's say that to see

the future you will have to witness unimaginable Bloodshed because AI triggers such a panic that humans just go against each other but we get to the other side and we get to that world of abundance that you're talking about but it's going to cost half of humanity do you want to be in the half that lives or the half that dies the half that lives you and me both yeah that's not Universal though which I'm very surprised is true listen I I will do all that I can I mean my my ethos through the ex

prise through singular University through abundance 360 through all the things that I do is all about how do you make life better how do entrepreneurs solve the world's biggest problems how do we enable all that we can um and I will do all I can to minimize the downside but my mission is to create such a compelling vision of the future that people truly want it and will give up the dystopian potentials to enable uh this future that they want I love it for people that want to follow you on that mission where can they

connect with you uh check out uh uh the x prise foundation x pr.org uh we just announced in Riad our $101 million xprize on uh adding 20 healthy years on your life uh and thank you to Evolution and uh and Sol FSH for their underwriting of that ex prise I love what I do I love my friendship with you pal uh I think this is the most extraordinary time ever to be alive and I want to I want people to be inspired to you know create the vision that they want to cuz you've got access

to more Capital more Tech more abilities more knowledge more people than every before in human history so uh you know part of what I do is help people take moonshots like what inspires you to go big and bold what's the moonshot what's the dent you want to make in the universe to quote jobs right so and that that's the final one if you're interested in my uh my podcast on that subject it's uh the podcast is called moonshots it is a fantastic podcast Bud my dad speaking of things that are fantastic if you haven't already

be sure to subscribe and until next time my friends be legendary take care peace watch this conversation with emod moac to learn exactly how AI will disrupt the entire world how do we make sure it doesn't kill us or how does it make sure it doesn't enslave us or how does it make sure that it doesn't give us Eternal suffering and I realize this could be the real thing that unlocks Humanity AI is not going to replace humans