Cillian Murphy & Margot Robbie | Actors on Actors

grer really made a meal out of the hi Bobby hi Bobby hi Ken hi Ken hi you know that whole bit and then hi Allan and yeah now people on the street say hi Bobby a lot probably I like it I'd rather people be shouting that at me than other things this is true I'll take it for the rest of your life the [Music] [Applause] rest [Music] first of all well congratulations on your uh reasonably successful film congratulations to you thank you so you're a producer on the movie as well how did you know a

Barbie movie would connect with audiences in the manner that it did or did you know yeah it's like 90% of me was certain that this would be a big deal and a massive hit and then like 10% of me thought no this could go so badly wrong but I went after gret GG from the beginning to direct and hopefully write as well and then she invited Noah to write with her without really even Consulting him but it meant we got two brilliant yeah uh brains on the project and it really came down to her saying

yes to this I had no doubt that this was going to work as soon as she said yes and she was always your first choice then First Choice okay I just wasn't going to let her say no I had met her before cuz I've wanted to work with her for a while you know it was a pretty long process it about 6 years ago we got the property first we had to you know it was set up at Sony we got out of Sony set it up at Warner Brothers got Mattel's blessing to let us

produce then went after Greta okay and then it was like the writing process and yeah I I obviously I didn't know it was going to have the kind of yeah be the cultural phenomenon that it ended up being when did you realize that that was what it was going to be I knew there'd be big reactions to I I could say it was all the way along I could I was like okay I think people are picking up that we're trying to do something interesting here you know the fact that it's Greta gwick people were

like Greta gwick in a Barbie movie what and so that was the right reaction that's what I was hoping for and then you know the pictures of Ryan and I rollerblading on Venice speach came out and like went even wider than I was expecting that I was like oh people are going to notice of course but it went kind of crazy and it was starting to occur that oh this might even be bigger than I'm even thinking and I believe in this more than anyone so I'd been thinking big for it and it still turned

out bigger than I expected hey Barbie yeah can I come to your house tonight sure I don't have anything big planned just a giant blowout party with all the Barbies and pl choreography and a bespoke song you should stop by in terms of this this sort of the version of the film and the adaptation or the the idea of it you know were Mattel cool with that from the beginning or did you have any kind of push back with How uh kind of radical you were trying to make or yeah I mean Mattel were amazing

to let us do this and I mean they're a character in the film yes which I don't think they were expecting at all but they had no idea until the script was done so greter and Noah's process is to go away and not let anyone see the script okay even you until they're totally finished no even me um we would kind of like because it was Co so they were writing it during Co we would do you know talk over zoom and check in and be like you guys going and it was so fun cuz

you could watch Greta and Noah like you know they're like oh we're working on this idea so they tell us you know like working on this idea and then they kind of like you know when you talk to a comedian you can tell sometimes they're like testing bits on you they kind of like test bits with each other and we just sit and Tom and I would just sit and like watch them and be like yeah yeah cuz Ken's probably you know Ken would probably be like you know say something and then then she'd jump

in and be like yeah it's kind of like and then before you know it they they're kind of writing a scene but verbally and in front of you and it's fascinating process and they write chronologically so they don't map something out and then write it which a lot of writers obviously do but they write themselves into corners and write themselves out of Corners yeah like we used to do as kids just like story and then yeah and like let it unfold and I think because of that the story has a quality of you know you

not getting too far ahead of it like because they didn't know where it was going to end up really so it was fascinating to kind of watch their process and I think the movie is so you know amazing and original because of that process uh but then yeah came the day where the script was in our inbox and Tom and I sat down on the couch to read it and like even on page one I was just like oh wow okay this is it's going to be hard to get convince them to let us to

do this but I'm loving it I mean it started with a kubri reference like completely redoing 2001 Space ony and I was like oh I don't know if this is what Mattel had in mind and then by the end of the script you know I was just like wow they're just they're never going to let us make this it's such a shame that This brilliant piece of writing will never see the light of day cuz they're never going to let us make this um and they did thank God and a massive credit to them but

it was a lot of conversations about getting them comfortable with being very very very uncomfortable so they had a sense of humor they did and you know Mattel they're a toy company and they haven't made a movie before so Al like a educational process of like oh okay this is what you're reading on the page I took a second for me to realize that some of their concerns could be assuaged just by explaining the process of you know for some things they're like but Barbie's saying this and I'd be like okay but this is how

I'm going to do it and then I'd say it and they're like oh and I'm like see how my my face is telling you that I don't think that but the words are saying that but that's subtext and there subtext all through that you know so and they'll be like oh okay so they and then still there's some jokes where they're just like do we have to use the word fascist do we need that bit where tell play gets shot they have to be shot you know like yeah so there were there were certain jokes

and uh I was so prepared to like fight for certain jokes and then like you know to explain like no we have to have that joke because it this and this and this and uh and some of them they're just like were fine with and then other jokes I didn't think they'd have a problem with you know but it was never a case of oh they didn't like that so let's cut it it was no no no we it we need to explain why we think that should be in there and get everyone like I

said comfortable with being [Music] uncomfortable did you think so many people were going to watch a movie about the making of the atomic bomb um um no Christopher Nolan was always determined that it would be released in the summer as a big Temple movie that was always his plan and he has this kind of superstition around that date the 2 movies come out on that date in and around the 21st of July or it could be always the 21st so they're always they always come out then I mean it's a good day it's a good

day it is now day too yeah I know I remember one of your producers CH Ren called me CU we worked together on some other projects and he was like I think you guys should move your date and I was like we're not moving our date if you're scared to be up against us then you move your date and he's like we're not moving our date I just think it'd be better for you to move and I was like we're not moving I think this is a really great pairing actually I think it's like well

it's a perfect double billing Oppenheimer and Barbie that was a good Instinct clearly the world agreed yeah they did but I think that both of these films show the appetite that the audience has yeah for Cinema I'm always like you know everyone talks about the algorithm I'm like how on Earth is an algorithm tracking me because I have such an Eclectic taste if you looked you'd be like wow she's going from you know that black and white film from the 20s to love Island so like what box do I put her in yeah same thing

but the fact that people were going and being like I'll watch upim first then Barbie I was like see you don't people like everything people are people are weird people have specific and wide ranging tastes and they don't like being told what to do yeah audiences don't like being told you should see this or you should see that they will decide and they will generate the interest themselves and I think I think what happened with both of our movies was a case and point of that that the audience decided you know that this was correct

and this was right and I think they were also really excited by the filmmakers I think you're right yeah I think you're right people are like itching for the next Chris Nolan film and itching for the next gr [ __ ] film yes to get them at the same time was you know exciting Quant of mechanic says it's both how can it be both it can't it can't but it is it's paradoxical and yet it works because I'm a fan of yours I have watched a lot of your things on the internet on YouTube and

there's kind of like it's out there on the internet that you're not that aware of memes and things like that first of all is that true and second of all if that is true were you even aware of the barbin Heimer like phenomenon or were you just blissfully unaware because you use a dialup phone or something uh no I have I have teenage boys I have two teenage boys so they keep doing this so and I do know what a meme is now I know that there are memes about me not knowing what a meme

is it's a great meme but it's like Inception of memes a meme within a meme it is a I genuinely at the time did not know but people forget that was a while ago it was a long time ago long time ago yeah you know I might not have known back then what a meme is no and I mean I'm not that text happy exactly and I think children started that stuff right so yeah so it wasn't but now that it's become this sort of like meme that's eating itself um uh I am aware but

it's mostly because of people either sending it to me or showing say look you got to look at this yeah but I do think that you see any of the Bob and Heimer I mean it was impossible to um wasn't there some great ones avoid any of that stuff um people are so clever with the things they come up it was incredible and it was self-generated do you know what I mean I know kept asking me they're like so uh so the studios talking the studio each depart marketing department is talking to each other and

I was like no this is the world doing this this is this is not a part of the marketing campaign this is just happening and I think it's it happened because like both movies were good yeah yeah that's the thing and there was a sort of a diversity offered by both yeah movies in fact that summer there was huge diversity of stuff in the cinema and like I think it just connected in a way that you or I or the studios or anybody could never have predicted we could never you can't force that predict no

orchestrate that and it may never happen again I know I mean it was wild seeing that many people going to the movies yeah wild did you go to the movie did you go to see Oppenheimer or you go to see Barbie do you sneak out and and see like what the vibe is I mean we were going around in cinemas checking like levels and things like that yeah well that's I guess you're producer you you got to do that I I try I I try to avoid looking at myself I I struggle with it um

isn't the mask the best thing the what oh yes wear a mask everywhere yes go everywhere again it's so good but I wouldn't volunteer to go and to see myself but I I do know that Chris and Emma Chris Nolan and Emma Thomas his wife produc I think they were going they were sneaking into checking house yeah but then like the fact that people were going dressed up as bar or dressed up as oper I'm to go and see the movies multiple times it's so it's kind of so flattering and you know um kind of

overwhelming and so great for Cinema totally yeah like being the producer and being the star of the movie how did you manage to kind of um I guess split those responsibilities or uh was that difficult uh were you always going to play bar I wasn't always going to not necessarily I I you know even when we got the property and sat with Mattel I said you know they were like will you play Barbie I said no that's up to the filmmaker so it's you know I want to go after Greta go and she should cast

whoever she wants and if that's not me like that's okay and I said that to greter as well like you write the script that you want to write you and Noah write it and if you think I'm the right actor for it great and if you don't like let's go get the best actor for it like cool I really didn't I didn't mind I really wanted to produce this I really wanted to make this it wasn't until I read the script that I was like oh I have to play it and she'd written it like

Barbie Margo so she made it pretty clear like no I want you to play this role but you've done five movies with Christopher Nolan now this is six actually six really yeah so you like the guy uh big fan it seems to work you know I mean this is the first time playing a proper lead role for him they'd always been supporting Parts over the years it's 20 years we're working together has your relationship changed or evolved in that time I mean I think that uh it's probably gotten you know uh richer I think you

know I was certainly just kind of starting off back then or starting to work in properly in film and he had just made the leap in you know for making independent films into making big Studio movies and and he was taking over this franchise for the first time with Batman Begins and obviously just nailed it but I think he's refining and refining his kind of vision and how the types of stories he want wants to tell and how he wants to present them you know like moving into IMAX and you know the first direct that

start shooting always in the large format I think it was dark night where the I think that opening sequence at the beginning I think that in IMAX you remember when Heath breaks into the bank and all that I think that's in IM actually think that's the I could be wrong I think that's one of the first times that he started using it but like in Oppenheimer we were using it almost all of the time yeah and they come at you it's like like film I mean those cameras be so heavy yeah so loud so loud

so heavy have you worked with them with IMAX no it's but I know he shoots on IMAX and always on film so imagine like to get more than a 4-minute take those mags must be massive they're huge and our amazing DP ho was like carries him everywhere like I remember in Dunkirk we were like on a boat in the middle of the ocean and a h whatever the thing and his shoulder and it's like these beautifully composed shots but to answer your question I don't know I suppose as you you get older you just get

a bit more confident in the sort of stories you want to tell and I suppose I you know I've learned a huge amount from working with Chris in terms of focus and rigor and dedication um I think we have similar tastes and I think he may have you know helped form my kind of my taste but before I even worked with him the movies that he had made prior to Batman Begins I was a fan of and I just wanted to you know meet him and that happens a lot isn't it like you fans of

directors and then you get to meet them and next thing you're working with them and it it's kind of nuts cuz you were at home watching their movies when you were a kid I don't know if it happens a lot but when it does happen it's like magic this is true amazing I'm sure that's happened to you it has I've like reached out to people I really want to work with yeah I've done that written letters letters and yeah the letter thing does work I have to say does I mean sometimes it doesn't but sometimes

it does people appreciate a handwritten letter that you s down to write I believe in that yeah I feel like I don't like playing lead roles cuz I feel like you have more responsibility and like as a supporting role you can kind of be a little more like wild and yeah I don't know like I avoid playing lead roles I haven't done it that much not where like my character is the name of the movie only iono have I done that really did you feel that sense of like oh I have to carry the weight

of this story because I am playing Oppenheimer and the movie is Oppenheimer or did you approach it did it feel just the same as when you've worked with him in other instances no it did feel different um like he called me up out of the blue cuz he's never like I didn't know he I didn't even know he's writing it so he called me up out of the blue or Emma Thomas his wife the producer she called me because Chris doesn't have a phone so she put me on to Chris and he said in his

you know very understated British way you know was making this movie half time where I like to play the part and so it was like Wham out of nowhere luckily I was unemployed at the time I just finished something I wasn't doing anything but I did realize then that it was different to the other jobs I'd done with him because it was the story of oppenheimer's life and then when he eventually gave me the script It Was Written in the first person which I'd never read before and so I kind of the script was written

in the first person yes like the big print would be like I'm looking I'm going to put the cup down and towards the door exactly which I'd never read before and so it was very clear that he wanted it to be truly subjective storytelling you know and that did add to the respon the feeling of like oh [ __ ] this is a big big biggie but then I knew as well that he was going to people it with all these extraordinary actors and the thing about all those roles is they are all characters of

significant consequence you know they're very consequential characters in in history and in the movie you know we put all these extraordinary actors in The yeah it was bunkers every time he would tell me oh you know Gary alman's going to pop in and you know we got Downey to play straws and but I suppose what I'm trying to say is that you felt very very supported and secure in that you know cuz you knew share the burden a little bit with completely yeah it felt lovely and I and I think I've developed a short time

with Chris over the years like we do understand each other I think we share similar kind of taste or approach to storytelling he's a master he's a master filmmaker why do you love working with him and why do you think he loves working with you you have to ask him I you're you're going to be really humble and be like I don't know why does he like me I can't understand but I don't know I mean take a guess with with with Chris you see it's just the work like um he's not interested in anything

else other than the work and the film making and he is incredibly focused it's incredibly rigorous is it true he wears a suit every day to sit he does wear very similar attire every day but you know the reason I think that is and I think it makes sense to me is that it's one you know as a director you so many decisions Greta wore a boiler suit every day she had five one A different one for every day of the week she was like it's one piece of clothing it's got pockets so I can

put my notebook and pens all that and she was like it's just I it's a decision I don't have to make and I have to make a thousand today you take that off the board yeah and then I was while we were shooting I went to The Churchill War Museum and saw that he Winston CH did the same thing he had like this boiler suit and I was like G it makes a lot of sense I makes total sense and I imagine if she wore something different on set it would freak you out I mean

if totally Chris came in in in a I don't know Hawaiian [ __ ] it would freak me out I wouldn't be able to concentrate uh I don't think the crew would yeah so I think it's a sensible Choice actually and prepping for the role what's your Prep Pro process like I mean I don't know about you but I'll take as much as I can get um with this one it was six months from when we when he called me to when we started shooting and I would have taken I would have taken another six

months if I could could have got it when he called you and said movie about Oppenheimer were you like gotcha or were you like B I know nothing about it I knew kind of very basic uh you know Wikipedia level no I knew about the Trinity tests and I knew about you know the Manhattan Project and then obviously what happened in second in 45 but like I I didn't know what happened afterwards or anything anything like that yeah yeah um so you read a lot to prep what else do you do like walk around walk

around my basement talking to myself really do you record yourself I do sometimes do you um no only if I'm doing dialect stuff yeah but I I prep like a psychopath as well it's it's the only way isn't it I'll prep as like as long as I possibly can I remember I started prepping one roll and then Co happened and so I ended up prepping the one roll for like a year and it was I was like Losing My Mind by the end of it my husband walked in and I was like making like weird

masks and stuff and I was like covered in paint he's like what are you doing and I was like I think I've gone too far with this character we need this to end I need to get on set it's the only way though I think this the only because then I can walk on set and just be like totally free but if I hadn't prepped like I I I'd be so terrified like when I hear some other actors I like look at their script and there's nothing written on it I'm like I you so terrified

if I didn't have like a bazillion notes and thoughts because then I'd be having all those thoughts on set as opposed to just like exactly and I think you know when you get on set time is your most important commodity as you know and you the last thing you want to be doing is disc figuring it out you got to every second counts so you want to do all the figuring out yeah before and then park it you know um and Chris is the king of prep and you know I don't know if gret is

the same but he has like uh you know crew that he works with forever and HS that he's worked with forever so they they know how he works and he preps with those guys for a long long time and so when we come on set it's like it's it's fast go time yeah and it's really really fast and he just kind of expects Excellence from everyone and yeah which I think all all the all the best ones do and I think everyone gets that it's an unspoken thing right I thought if I could find a

way to combine physics and New Mexico my life would be perfect and tell me about casting your movie then what was your kind of goal or plan to when you were when you were casting it then what was your I mean most people's names were written into the script like I was bobie Margo and said Ken Ryan goling like everyone you know Greta kind of manifested the cast she got also everyone was so Keen to do it um and a lot of people signed on to do like a long movie where they've got a pretty

small role and agents were like why would we let our client be busy for this long and for this much screen time but you know their clients would be like no I want to do it I want to work with these people and I want to work with greter and we just said from the start like let's make a massive dance party invite everyone and it it was like that on like it was so fun every day was so fun and we' be playing music and we would dance in the more like we crew cast

everyone we like dance in the morning just to like get everyone you it was so funny because we're shooting at leaves and other films like the fast movie like fast 10 or whatever they'd like come over and they like SWAT gear kind of be like what's going on in here and we're like it's Barbie land come in and W you know people were just like gravitating towards the set because they and and you know our actors everyone would come in on days that they weren't even working cuz just to hang out just to hang cuz

it was so fun like you just wanted to be there with everyone and it was such a good group like I think you can kind of feel that in the mo I do think that that stuff um transfers definitely and I think it all trickles down from the top like whatever mood the director sets it's like it seeps into everything and Greta just sets like the most like joyful space I can't speak to her other sets I wasn't on them but I mean she's so joyful and supportive and exciting and just she's just brilliant and

and you can feel that and I don't know I always think of it like um it's like when little kids can sense that their parents are like angry or frustrated even if like a parent's like I'm fine but they're slamming the dishes you know a kid's going to be like a little bit like on edge even if they don't understand it they're like you know yeah that happens on a film set like I've seen that happen where you can just feel everyone tensing cuz you know your director or or someone else in a position of

you know importance is is giving that Vibe and everyone's suddenly like a little apprehensive and that's and we we just did not need that yeah Vibe it has to come from the top doesn't it maybe that would work for some moves but that wasn't going to work for yeah I don't enjoy that I it's just not funny though it's it can't go to work like I don't know if if you're going to be vulnerable I feel like you need a place that's trusting and caring yeah going back to the prep question do you work with

an acting coach or a dialect coach or like movement coach or do any of that kind of stuff uh did you train to be an actor no no didn't didn't train to be an actor um no kind of started doing theater when I was 20 yeah and then did an awful lot of theater for for like four years kind of exclusively and then started getting little Parts in movies but I did use a dialect coach on this one because the voice was so specific now we weren't trying to do an impression I'm not I can't

really it's not in my wheelhouse to do Impressions I don't have that skill and you know with accents for me it takes it's like going to the gym for your mouth you know what I mean it takes a long time Australian mouths are like the laziest literally like a gym workout but you guys do Americans so brilliantly always that's cuz we have to like build the muscles well you have to like yeah build the muscles in your mouth to do an American accent really I just thought might be closer in in ton or kind of

tomra or ton or I think we also cuz we grow up watching so many American things Australians like between our soft pette and hard pallet we've got 1 cm of space Americans have three so just an American Mouth just has more space Oh W and then because of that like we use our lips more and our tongues are lazy and so when you're doing an accent you're building that muscle and creating that space that's why I think it would be harder to be American doing an Australian accent cuz I don't know how you have all

that space and have all that muscularity in your mouth and suddenly like make it weak and small I I don't know that would be so hard nais always do brilliant American I think that's good I love it when I hear that we've got a good rep they Well you certainly do it me the Irish have a great rep yeah we're not bad bad at it but what I was trying to do with OP is a very like no one talks like it anymore you know kind of you know that old like um like Orson Wells

or like uh Mr Rogers or like uh who else talk like that anyway you don't hear anymore I mean it wasn't even that many decades ago that really did speak like that and every time I'm researching an accent I'm like surely it wasn't that you know exaggerated you hear a recording you're like no it was wow we really have gotten so lazy we really have and I think it's become so kind of homogenized because of this connectivity in the world people sound quite similar yeah in different parts of the world don't they did you have

access to a lot of you know archival footage in order to replicate the mannerisms or physicality of Oppenheimer yes there's a lot of stuff onl online let's just just on YouTube God I love YouTube love a bit of YouTube my biggest tool you just disappear down there can't you the problem with footage of him was mostly him giving lectures so it's quite performative you know it wasn't the real himm yeah so I used that a little bit but it had we had to kind of imagine how he would be you know with his wife or

with his colleagues and stuff like that that that that way has to kind of make up did you have like a thing that would get you into him you know what I mean like yeah I do physically I there was a loads of pictures of him and he always stood with his hand on his hip and you see all these pictures cuz he was such a sight man but he always stood with this very kind of jaunty angle with his hand on his hip so I nicked that pretty quick early as a sort of a

physical thing and then the Chris Nolan kept sending me um pictures of David Bowie you know like in this thin white Juke here with the big luminous trousers yeah wow so we kind of stole that a little bit chances are near zero near zero what do you want from Theory alone zero and how about you what was your process then cuz it's such a difficult character to it's this kind of 20th century iconic not a real person yeah how did you figure it out so weird prepping Bob as a character um because like it was

it was like all my usual tools didn't apply for this character so I usually like I have the things that I do when I I work with an acting coach and I work with a dial Coach and I work with a movement coach and I read everything and I watch all the things and when it's a real life person or whatever it's the things that you were talking about if it's a madeup person whatever I rely on animal work a lot and um and I was you know May maybe like 45 minutes into pretending to

be a flamingo or whatever and I was suddenly like it's it's not working the animal isn't helping me with Barbie I was like oh God what do how I don't know how to find her and I yeah it was like normally I do a couple like I have a a couple of things that I normally do so I make up childhood memories so I think of like you know say half a dozen core childhood memories and that helps me explain why they do the things they do in the script so like you know this is

the first time they were extremely humiliated in a public setting or this is the first time they felt betrayed or like whatever and but I couldn't do that for her because she just was invented out of a vacuum and lived in a you know like so all the things I normally did didn't work the animal work didn't work the childhood memories didn't work um even the accent wasn't something to cling on to normally I'm like what accent we doing so they grew up there and what time and and even that it was like no I

should be from nowhere but kind of General but you know you know so I I was really struggling it was it was like she was so smooth and shiny I had like nothing to grab on to and I was like I don't know where you are even though she was written beautifully in the script anyways I went to gretter and I was like I like help me I I don't know where to start with this character and I was like and she was like okay what are you scared of and I was like I I

don't want her to seem dumb and Dy but she's also not meant to know anything she's meant to be complet completely naive and ignorant and Greta found this uh episode on This American Life podcast where it was a woman who doesn't or can't introspect like doesn't have the voice in her head oh wow that's like constantly narrating life the way we all do and so that was like an instance where I was like oh W oh so she doesn't have that voice and This Woman's like you know got a PhD and is extremely smart but

just doesn't have that internal monologue is she happy yeah totally and is she happier do you think God I I wondered about that you know when the interview was asking her like so if you're like looking out a window she's like I'm just looking out a window she's like it didn't even occur to me that it didn't introspect until one day it sudden I suddenly realized as a growing woman that my parents were one day going to die and she was like inconsolable think you know thinking that and her boyfriend was like what's wrong she's

like my parents are going to die one day and he was like had you not thought about that before she was like no she kind of thinks exactly what's in front of her like a spotlight to what exactly is in front of her at the time yeah it was really interesting so things like that I was like Wow and then Greta's like you know references for okay I want the Cadence of your speech to be like we did this thing called movie church so every Sunday morning we would invite all the cast and crew whoever

wanted to come to the nodding Hill electric cin which is such a good cinema and watch a movie that was somehow related to Barbie like what for example so like for example would watch his girl Friday cuz Greta would be like I want all the Barbies at the dance party to have that Rhythm like when they speak like it should be like it's funny gr sometimes she I think she uses this to find the comedyan scenes too she uh doesn't look at the monitor like she closes her eyes and she just listens to a scene

she's really tuned into like the Rhythm which is really interesting but then there might be a reference like would watch the red shoes because we're coming up with the lot for the camera like the color you know the IB Tech we called it techn Barbie because we wanted to look like that kind of like really poppy saturated 50s Sound Stage musical or we'd watch 2001 Space Odyssey cuz there a reference gosh we watched so many movies what a nice thing to do it was so it was the best it was so fun coming up with

the character was weirdly difficult and you wouldn't I wouldn't think playing Barbie would be difficult but then I realized I had nothing to grab on to and it did take me a second but I did know and it was evident in the script that I wanted there to be an evolution between how she is at the beginning and who she is at the end and she at the beginning she is a doll and she doesn't introspect and she's never experienced something like shame and she's never exper you know there's so many things she hasn't ever

experienced and so she's certain she says everything with absolute certainty and she moves with absolute certainty she's wide and open to the world cuz why wouldn't you be there's nothing bad there's no pain there's nothing you know she can say happily to Ken like you can go now I don't want you here like I want to see my friends it's my house not yours right like and it can be like that and then towards the middle it starts getting shaky and wobbly and yeah fragile and vulnerable and by the end she is human she's become

human before she's even realized to ask for that and so we did a couple things you know wigs got smaller less hair more realistic um costumes got less structured geometric patterns or dots or whatever turned into like florals or pastels less certain colors less just less certainty really to mirror like what that evolution of life would be very subtly subliminally yeah by the end I wanted people to kind of weirdly be thinking like oh I feel like I'm just watching Maro weirdly as opposed to like the character I thought I saw at the beginning so

I don't know if it had that effect but that's we were trying to accomplish and um and then weirdly I was kind of playing my mom a little bit really yeah because my mom is so pure like she's so I I don't know maybe you'll meet her one day it'll make sense but it was funny one day on I did was I was like a little bit conscious that I was doing that but one day on set my mom was visiting and Greta like turned to me she was like oh my God you're playing your

mom aren't you you and I was like yeah a little bit yeah and what does she think of the movie she loved it yeah she do you know what the afterwards I was like Mom did you like that did you like that line where Ruth says us mothers stand still so that our daughters can see how far they've gone I was like did that make you cry and she was like No And I was like oh really she was like I thought it was a very well-written line though I was like oh I'm so so

angry that didn't me yeah what did your parents think of Oppenheimer oh do they like praise you or try to keep you down to earth and like do that thing that your family does where they're like keeping your feet on the ground they they are very proud yeah uh by it all um I really want them to see it you know like with an audience in the in the cinema I think they saw it in Paris and uh yeah they're a little it's a little uh the movie is a little over whelming you know you

know how I saw it no I was in a cinema and it was a really hot day in London and the AC stopped working oh no so oh no it was actually it was almost like we're having a 4D experience it was like Chris designed CU it was like literally like getting hotter and hotter and they're building the bomb and by the time the bomb was going off I was like literally dripping with sweat with everyone else in here it was so hot and excellent I'm so proud so proud of what you have accomplished we

should talk about the uh costumes so you're clearly still not sick pink then no I'm not I'm not done with pink yet yeah the costumes were incred I mean pink it's you just can't have a Barbie movie without the color pink and everyone really got on board with that like I'd make a um on Wednesdays we wear pink day do you know that reference from Mean Girls I had forgotten that reference on Wednesdays they wear pink and so if you didn't wear pink on set you got a fine and then I'd donate to charity and

honestly people leaned in like I was like you can wear pink socks that's enough and people were like no I'm I'm happy to like you know it's always like the guys I feel like that are like oh finally finally I have permission to to wear pink and get dressed up every Wednesday every Wednesday how long did you shoot for quite a long time okay how many days was it in the end it's a lot of I mean it's at least 5 months or it's a lot of pink additions to I have so much pink in

my wardrobe now I wasn't really a pink girl before but you know leaning into it but the costumes were amazing and there were so many like jacn Duran GRE had worked with before is extraordinary and her references there was meant to be a bit of an evolution through the decades as well like starting in the 50s when Barbie was created and then it kind of morphed into' 60s and 70s ' 80s by the time we're on the boardwalk we're wearing like Neon on kind of like 90s and then gets a bit early naughties and in

the modern day so yeah it was really it was clever and it was fun and everyone we just squeal every day we'd get to sit and see what each other are wearing and be like you look amazing and you and like I said the guys I think the guys like our Kens loved it more than anything they really seemed to uh to get into it would get crazier and crazier until like until Ryan would be like I think I need a mink and I need a you know just get insane you actually built the sets

yeah for real yeah yeah it was incredible we built that whole colder sack the dream houses are like several stories high everything's like hand painted all the backdrops hand painted we made all of Barbie land in miniature filmed the Miniatures um yeah everything was very tactile and the transportation sequence it's all that it's like practical and like a diarama and there's like you know literally people like holding a rod with a butterfly dangling off and you know everything was just the handmade quality of it was so intrinsic to the movie anyway cuz it's meant to

be a toy etic world toys and you should feel like you could reach in and grab it all but it does make a difference I think I mean I don't know if the audience knows on a kind of a um conscious level but I I really believe that they experience on a subliminal level that this is happening in camera I agree and I know Chris Nolan is definitely lives by the same rules of like everything cam everything's practic and I think what CGI can do what VFX can do is like incredible and as a tool

yeah to compliment work it's amazing but when it's relied on too heavily there's something about that like infinite yeah quality to like looking at something that's just like could go on forever where you I don't know I find I I get detached I'm kind of like something in me can sense that it's not real and so I don't really care I don't really care if that thing explodes or that building falls down because it's not real like you just know when it's not real yeah I think we do now I think definitely we're kind of

aure to it at this stage on Oppenheimer there was no set pills was all real locations every single location was the actual place a lot of it was like oppenheimer's house where we shot in New Mexico was actually where he really lived yeah with Kitty so when myself and Emily were film in there you know how good Emily she is Aston the movie so I think there's just like she can do anything Emily it's I would watch her in anything I don't need a hear I don't need a log line I don't need a title

if I see shoes in it I'm like I'm in I'm going to love it she's so Charming mind-blowing but yeah so you shot in New Mexico where else yeah and I think you can feel the kind of the sounds kind of like cliche or hokey or something but I I feel like you can feel the vibrations in the room I feel like they transfer to the character I feel like there we then have a extra level of connection or respect for the environment or for the characters particularly if they're real life characters that actually live

there yeah so yeah and we shot in oppenheimer's office in Princeton which was right next to Einstein's office in the real location and there was many of those instances where you feel you kind of you know it's Goose it's goosebumps you know like I'm not a superstitious person or anything like but I no you feel the vi it yeah Chris wanted that and for example the last sequence in the movie you know the well well it flashback and forwards to but you know the whole big hearing at the end that was in this horrible shitty

little bureaucratic tiny room somewhere outside of LA and we were all and it was really hot we were all of us stuffed into this room this huge IM C you know we could have easily built that in a big stage and pulled away the walls Chris wanted it to feel like claustrophobic yeah you know uh sort of awful feeling that you would have had in one of those rooms and they deliberately wanted to put him in a room like that to make him feel like he was worthless and that it was kind of meaningless and

to demean him and uh it worked yeah can I ask something off topic sure in my opinion there are two kinds of people in this world there are the people who are obsessed with peeky blinders and then there's the people who haven't seen peaky blinders right I obviously sit in the first category so can we please talk about Tommy [ __ ] Shelby just for like one minute sure if you like yeah what was it like oh I mean that was years and years of your life yeah it's like 10 that was also 10e Adventure

that we sh started shooting that the end of 2012 it's so crazy yeah I love the song that plays at the very end of the last season for the tired horses yeah Lis O'Neal I love that song so much it's on my cry playlist like like cry on set where a Dylan sng and she took it and just like it's so good yeah love it she's special is there going to be a spin-off movie I mean I've I I'm open to the idea I've always thought that if this there's more story to tell of course

there's no story to tell well we'll see I mean off on a horse like what now who know knows I guess please do it please well that's very kind of you to say I mean I'm I'm totally open to the idea but you know I I I also do think it was a Kind of Perfect I know um six seasons I know and we managed you don't want to wreck it well it's kind of sometimes hard to kind of move into the film format and I can I do like the ambiguity of the ending but

I'm always open to like a great script you know who wouldn't be so good people just come up to you all the time a lot yeah a lot and say Tommy for jel they do yeah yeah and have you lost a lung smoking all those cigarettes it wasn't great but then of course they did upim and it's like a pipe and a I literally thought that I was watching it I was like we need to get into a doctor he's smoking he's smoked so many cigarettes on think about those heral now they have a a

warning on the herbales as well do they yeah you can't win [ __ ] you know so if people shout at me Tommy Shelby do is it inevitable that people I would imagine they shout at you but they might go hey Barbie or whatever is that what happens a lot of High Barbies a lot of yeah it's it's funny cuz the waving thing wasn't that big of a thing and then on set it just got bigger and more ridiculous to the point where it was like the waving was like so something about Barbie like she

needs to be so Earnest that she's almost a dork she's like but you're kind of like oh but I still like you and somehow waving really like really really just sum that up and so we just kept doing it and doing it and uh then Greta really made a meal out of the hi Bobby hi Bobby hi Ken hi Ken hi you know that whole bit then hi Allan and yeah now people on the street say hi Bobby a lot probably I like it I'd rather people be shouting that at me than other things so

this is true I'll take it for the rest of your life for the rest of my life and tell me speaking of that do you do you feel like there's a sequel in the works if you're asking me about a pey movie ask that cuz I did ask you the thing I I same thing like you I'm like we put everything into that movie and it's so good that I'm like oh no and I was so also so proud of the fact that it wasn't like an original sorry that it was an original it wasn't

a sequel or prequel or remake which is getting rarer and rarer these days and your movie too is original and that's amazing that we both got these big theatrical opportunities for original ideas yeah that part of me almost I'm like oh no if we do a Barbie too then we just I don't know but at the same time I would do anything to be back on that set and i' do anything to be on set with greter again and Ryan again and playing bobie again like playing bobie is the best it's just so joyful so

again if it was so you're not saying so it's not not no not no but also it would take a lot for it to be a to live up to what you guys did live up to it yeah hi Barbie hi Barbie hi Barbie hi Barbie hi Barbie hi Barbie hiie hi Barbie hi Barbie obviously I've now revealed that I am a big fan of yours um not just peaky blinders I also love your sleep story on the Cal app and just everything you've done really well likewise I mean it is crazy that after all

this this is literally the first time I'm ever meeting you yeah likewise it's been no very formal setting I know I know well nice to chat here Maro hopefully not for the last time exactly [Music] [Applause] [Music] exactly