The Most Haunting Unsolved Missing 411 Cases

crime conspiracy Cults serial killers and murder all things that I love to consume and I know you do too you sick minded Beautiful Freak and today we are going to be looking at some interesting murders that have all occurred in the boundaries of the United States national parks have you ever heard of Missing 411 of course you have you're here I I know most of you probably have but for those of you who haven't it is a series of books written by former police officer David pitus big fan by the way about mysterious appearances in

the national parks and the name Missing 411 comes from a list of 411 people missing from national parks and it's also the number you can call to report a missing person requiring investigation so in today's video we are going to be covering some of the most intriguing disappearances related to the [Music] 411 and our first one is called Bigfoot steals children in the [Music] woods this is a story about Dennis Lloyd Martin and trenny Lynn Gibson and we begin our search for the missing in Appalachia yes I say Appalachia because my boyfriend is from Appalachia

and they say Appalachia not Appalachian don't come at me specifically in the Smoky Mountains National Park nestled between Tennessee and North Carolina Smoky Mountain National Park might be one of the most beautiful places to visit in the continent continental United States it boasts gorgeous mountain ranges dense forests flowing waterfalls and miles and miles of hiking trails including the Appalachian Trail or Appalachian whatever you want to say this means that millions of people visit every year and while most get to enjoy the park some may never leave and our first case occurred on June 14th 1969

at Spence field the Martin family had spent the night on the 13th at a cabin within the park Dennis Martin along with his father William Martin his brother Douglas and his grandfather Clyde had decided to go for a hike and ended up going to Spencer field and this field is high up on the mountain with plenty of tall grass growing all around it and very thick vegetation surrounding the area it also crosses the border between North Carolina and Tennessee so William and Clyde would sit down and allow the kids to play around once they reached

their destination and while they were resting another family would come by which coincidentally they would have the same last name as the Martins Martin and they would come up and ask if their kids could play together and of course Willie and Clyde obliged and over the next few minutes the family's children would play in that tall grass and everything would be fine but that was when one of the kids suggested that they played hide and seek don't play hide and seek in the forest in the woods in Appalachia don't do it so when the game

began all the children would Sprint off into different directions including Dennis Martin and he was seing about 50 ft from his dad on the edge of the field on the Tennessee side so roughly 5 minutes would go by and all the children would have eventually come out except for Dennis and his father would naturally become immediately concerned when he saw Douglas's face he knew something was wrong so everyone in the field obviously began to search the immediate area screaming his name and looking behind every tree and Bush but Dennis was nowhere to be found and

at the time of his disappearance Dennis was wearing a bright red shirt he was roughly 4 feet tall and weighed about 55 lbs he is also described as having brown hair and brown eyes so the authorities were naturally called and an ensive search began but as the search continued there would find no trace of Dennis the park rangers began by asking people in the immediate area if they saw Dennis or saw anything that was suspicious but everyone would reply that they had not seen the boy and around 5:00 p.m. on July 14th only a few

miles away from where Dennis went missing the key family would begin a hike near Rowen Creek in Cade's Cove while on their height they heard quote unquote an enormous sickening scream and they would walk a few 100 yards in the direction of the scream to see if something was wrong and if they could help a man and his children and they were um they were trying to photo uh the deer they were following the deer up Rowen Creek and and they heard a child Scream the father ran up there and he saw a man Dart

into the woods and he described him as uncamp and Mr key would go on to investigate the Scream by himself just in case it was like a dangerous situation for his family but when he reached the area where he thought the scream had come from he would see a man in the bushes who darted off into the woods so he quickly turned and left the area thinking that that was extremely weird and then he would learn only a few hours later that a boy had gone missing in that area hours before he saw the man

in the bushes while this is incredibly strange it will be incredibly poor later Mr Keys would even go on to state but it wasn't a bear it was a man hiding in the bushes he was definitely trying to hide from us which sounds suspicious as so the search for Dennis would move on well into the night but be hindered by a very large rainstorm causing the search to stop for a night and in the morning an extensive search party was planned to begin operating the next day and when June 15th came one of the largest

manhunts for a missing person ever seen would form in hopes of finding Dennis in total there were 30 Boy Scouts 51 Ranger students and three helicopters including two helicopters sent from the US Air Force on top of all that too there was a group of Green Berets that arrived from Fort Benning and later that week 40 more Green Berets would be on the case it's completely wild that the case ramped up to this degree in less than 24 hours so over the course of the next few days the search would grow immensely like I said

gaining hundreds of volunteers a day until the Park Service had to literally tell people to stop showing up talk about people coming together though that's awesome at its peak though there were 1,400 Searchers helping to try to find Dennis even the FBI and the Coast Guard were called in to help with the search but one thing that was odd was that in the official National Park Service report the reason that the FBI was called was not directly stated because Foul Play had not been suspected yet so there was no need for them really to be

involved in this investigation unless the FBI and NPS knew something William Martin didn't but the FBI would later conclude that Dennis was not abducted despite his father's adamant telling him that he believed without a doubt that Foul Play was suspected but despite The NPS and FBI suspecting that Foul Play did not occur they would conduct numerous interviews with people in the surrounding area including Harold Kei what's even more strange is Harold's interview and the circumstances surrounding it according to the FBI when they reached out to Harold he agreed to meet with investigators at the park

but when the time for the interview arrived he never showed up to the park instead the FBI would run into him outside the park and continue the interview there and during this interview Harold once again claimed that he had no idea of the boy's recent disappearance but called the authorities anyway because of the strange man and the scream he and his family had heard furthermore Harold's son would later tell newspapers that he had seen a bear or someone running through the trees in the same area where his father saw the man in the bush but

this despite all the evidence that was presented to The NPS and the FBI They concluded that Harold's sighting and Dennis's disappearance was in no way connected so much so that they didn't even bother to investigate the area where Harold had that sighting which is so stupid NSP Ranger Dwight McCarter who was well respected and nsp's best searcher at Great Smoky National Park stated that it was possible for a man to carry a small child from where Dennis was located to where Harold spotted the man in the bushes which is extremely prevalent even other people within

the NSP such as Harold Sherman a research associate of the experienced Services Program a branch for older NSP employees wrote literal letters to his superiors and news outlets of his beliefs that Dennis was in fact abducted stating I am impelled to ask you if you know whether or not there have been or are any questionable characters in this region camping out in the wild in this area like Hermits squatters such an indiv idual may not be connected with the boy's disappearance at all but I feel that a maniac soall does exist in the vicinity and

could have trailed the body I hesitate to write anymore as my conscious mind is trying to reject such a feeling I see something red and something being carried or dragged are there any caves in the vicinity a stream may even run through it or part of it I am always tormented when Impressions come to my conscious mind trying to tell me that they couldn't possibly be true but I get a feeling of sudden panic Panic on the part of Dennis what happened to him occurred suddenly unexpectedly and he could not or did not cry out

he seems to be struck down by something the area is rugged I don't know why I gave him that accent but I feel like it's right it's right and I agree with him I agree with him go look I don't know why I turned into Jerry Seinfeld also I'm sorry I got to put on my glasses I can't I can't see Chris Reed screen so whatever gather around because now is Chris re screens and things continued to be weird to say the least as the searches concluded and the case would unfortunately go cold first both

The NPS and the FBI kept Dennis's Father William in the dark about Harold Key's sightings it also seems like they kept the general public in the dark about this as well William didn't actually learn until the key family sightings until The NPS went public which ised up they also didn't inform him of the FBI interview that took place after they told him his son's disappearances had no foul play involved furthermore many people have requested an fiia which is a Freedom of Information Act request on the dentist case from the FBI and this request has conveniently

been rejected including David pitus shout out you're awesome let's even more odd is that despite publicly stating the sighting The NPS never created an official report about it so the only way to know about it is through the newspapers there were also numerous psychics called to cover the case and some some were even saying that he was alive and to check the trees for the body but what's next might be the most damning information of it all and 2011 David pus drove to interview William Martin and Dwight mcarter to see if they had any unreleased

information on the case and from William's interview we learned this when Dennis disappeared he was literally within 50 ft or less of William his brother Douglas also never saw anything strange in the woods William and an NPS fire prevention officer hiked from The Spence field to the area where Harold saw the man in the bushes in 90 minutes flat confirming that someone could have carried Dennis down the path they also saw no caves and no evidence of anybody living there Mr Martin actually spoke with Harold and learned that he and his family saw a man

carrying somebody over their shoulder along a nearby Ridge at the time of Dennis's disappearance what and he also learned that the local newspaper purposely omitted and changed this information to say that they saw a bear Mr Martin would state that the head of the park services was merely just a figurehead and receiving orders from someone else explaining why so much information was neglected and hidden furthermore the lead FBI agent Jim Reich on the case took his own life only 4 years after Dennis's disappearance lastly William firmly believes that his son was kidnapped by somebody waiting

in the woods he stated there was no way his son could have gotten away as fast as he did without people finding him and based on this interview it became extremely clear that the FBI and NPS were working closer together than people had thought they both withheld information and the people assigned to each Case by the agency had odd events or information surrounding them like to not tell the family of a missing child that a man was seen carrying someone over their shoulder is extremely odd to say the least it was almost as if they

knew that Harold Key had seen something he shouldn't have and that they wanted to investigate it privately or something I love conspiracies but it's just I I like I can't even imagine as the family of Dennis just not having any answers and knowing that you have been kept in the dark like how could you not think of the mosted up things you know and that theory would be further backed up by Dwight's interview and here is what we learned about that Dennis still believed that a man could have easily carried Dennis away from Spence field

and through Rowan's Creek with ease and when asked about why the FBI and NPS were downplaying Mr Key's sightings D states that the FBI wouldn't have any knowledge of the woods so dismissing the idea that a man could have trekked from Spence field up to Rowen Creek is not that crazy The NPS however Dwight reaffirms that he has walked that area numerous times and knows for a fact that it is a 100% possible and Dwight stated that it was odd to have the Green Beret come and set up and enter the Woods armed in the

1970s even NPS Rangers were not armed and previous instances when the National Guard got involved they were usually unarmed as well additionally in the case of Dennis Martin the Green Berets didn't even interact with the NPS Rangers and Mr mcarter confirms that there were wild men who live within the park which is terrifying and that they purposefully did So to avoid human contact so when Mr Keys saw a man in the bush it was technically possible for him to see a wild man just hiding in the bushes he also stated though that he didn't believe

that a wild man would have taken Dennis as the only wild man that he knew of resided on the opposite side of the park from where Dennis disappeared so The Disappearance of Dennis Lloyd Martin is one of the most puzzling disappearances to ever occur like how could a little boy avoid over 1400 Searchers highly trained Green Berets and experienced Park Rangers who know every nook and cranny of the park additionally it seems like the military FBI and NPS knew something that everyone else didn't what's new though and it's it's not crazy to believe that the

FBI would get involved as Foul Play would have to be ruled out but why would they purposely dismiss Keys's sightings and why would the newspaper alter what Key's family saw also why did the Green Berets go into the Woods armed maybe they were tracking some killer in in the area and when Dennis went missing they pulled all of their efforts into scrubbing the area it would also explain why there was such a significant response from military branches and investigative agencies or maybe they knew something was in the woods and were scared to encounter it but

let's look at similar disappearances that have occurred in the same area our next story details The Disappearance of trenny Lynn Gibson so on October 8th 1976 in Great Smoky National Park only 6 years after Dennis Martin's disappearance trenny ly Gibson vanished from hiking on a trail on the eth 16-year-old trenny was hiking to klingman's dome with her high school class starting from Andrew's bald on the North Carolina side she hiked with Robert Simpson and a group to Andrews bald but then turned around to walk back to the bus and at 300 p.m. about 3/4 of

a mile from their final distination trenny would vanish and in the area of her disappearance the trail was marked and she was in full view of other hikers and following her disappearance The NPS began a search for the missing girl and started doing interviews of the students to see if they had any information to offer it is safe to say that what occurred before tranny's disappearance was odd to say the least in multiple interviews trenny was last seen on the trail bending over looking at something and turning right off the trail right before Vanishing furthermore

a fellow student Anita rounds claimed that she had vanished from the trail completely and it's important to note that the surrounding area was Miles and Miles of thick vegetation and Forest and next to the trail was a small stream and a slight Rocky slope Anita bounds would say in an interview she was on the trail when I last saw her I looked away and when I looked back trenny was nowhere inside I should have been able to see her if she went up the trail I checked the area where trenny was last seen no Trail

leading off very rough small stream brush and trees yelled but no answer and the search would begin on the eighth but was hindered by weather which is very strange because that happened to Dennis as well not that that's all but it's very weird it's very convenient weather and following the day that trenny disappeared The NPS really didn't do much to Aid in the search we already hate him at this point it became such a problem that a Swain County Civil Air Patrol Commander John madx had to call The NPS and complain about how he had

people on standby and couldn't move forward unless they gave him the okay and unfortunately The NPS would you know it wouldn't respond to madx and his crew of over 40 Searchers two doctors 14 pilots and five planes all waiting to help search for trenny had to be completely called off and the search for trenny lasted from the 8th of October through to the 22nd during which time 300 volunteer Searchers just combed the hills of the Smoky Mountains the Army and US Marine corpse along with helicopters and tracker dogs all got involved and they produced some

evidence search dogs had found her scent at Andrews bald and headed toward the forny creek trail furthermore investigators would find Sho prints matching in size and style of the shoes that she wore on that day she disappeared and they would find those Footprints at Double Springs shelter which is about 4 and 1/2 miles away from Andrew's bald by the trail and about a 2hour hike away and even more strange According to some sources search dogs found her scent at cling 's Dome and then Colin's gap which was in the opposite direction of where she was

last seen and Far East of doubl spring shelter and the FBI would briefly get involved but like Dennis's case they aligned with the opinion of The NPS sorry and said that there was no suspected Foul Play and a psychic would eventually be brought into this investigation as well and would say that they saw quote unquote TR is sitting in a hollow in what might be a bear Den or something rocky area not a lot of undergrowth several very large trees lots of acorns on the ground I don't know if that's what they sounded like I

don't have a name or anything to go off of but that's what I picture you know and in April her father would ask for another search by The NPS but was told that only 25 people would be allowed to conduct a small survey of the area meaning that the final search for his daughter would be small and non-intensive NPS so so how was it possible that trenny was able to walk 10 plus miles through rugged thick vegetative forest and mountainous terrain to each location without being seen at all by the way we could even say

that after she turned off the trail where her friends last saw her she could have found another Trail and hike to the destinations where the evidence was found but another question would then be brought up how would she remain undetected despite being on extremely popular Trails like I said in the beginning hundreds of people walk through these Trails daily surely one of them would have realized that a girl who had just walked past them was the one that went missing furthermore she would have been torn up and dirty which would have caused much more attention

to be on her by onlookers another question that remains in the case as well is what did trenny see in the woods that would cause her to go off Trail and why she would choose to go off Trail instead of running to her friends if it was something dangerous or I don't know you you know like did she see someone that she knew skin walker or did something in the woods coax her off Trail skin walker I just I just think it's a skin walker honest I'm just I'm scared I'm you won't catch me you

won't catch me in them Woods all right and luckily for you there are theories for both so let's get into those first theory is that she was being stocked and was kidnapped off the trail a man by the name of Kelvin Bowman what a stupid name was shot in the foot of front's yard after being caught creeping near her house and later on student testimony claimed that his car had been seen tailing the bus on the way to the hiking trail another possibility is that a classmate on the hike along with her lured her off

the trail as we mentioned earlier trenny was walking with Robert Simpson before turning around and the two of them had been known to hang out outside of school and when she disappeared she was wearing his brown jacket and when he was questioned about her disappearance he said that after she left he him self had gone off Trail tracking a bear okay I just don't believe anybody at this point furthermore after she disappeared tranny's hairbrush would be found in his car and after other students testimonies it was found that it would be extremely unlikely for her

to leave her hairbrush behind because she always had it in her pocket which like you could say that they hung out and stuff and that she would just leave her stuff in his car I feel like that's just very you know coincidental it's not like that big of a thing but you know still suspicious right still suspicious but in addition to all that there were two recorded instances of Robert saying pretty heinous things to tranny's sister quote unquote Calvin Bowman has trenny he will kill her if he doesn't have her I think she might have

run off with some horny Hitcher like who the says that about their good friend that just went missing and can't be found who the like that's so up there's too many theories in my head let's go on to other ones so the final theory is where Dennis and and trenny stories potentially match up both stories obviously involved something going wrong in the woods that is heavily suspected to be kidnappings Dennis was hiding in the woods and disappeared later in an area just below where he was last seen a man spots another man with something over

his shoulder running along the ridgel line and trenny was last seen bending over looking at something in the woods and then strangely went off Trail and while searching for trenny the dogs would pick up or scent in areas miles apart and only accessible through Trails or dense dense forests both children had also obviously never been found the closest thing to being found was a footprint in the double spring shelter but other than that nothing both involv the FBI and The NPS claiming that Foul Play was not a factor yet both agencies stuck around to continue

a private investigation furthermore two divisions of the US Special Forces were involved in the search and we know that the Green Berets were armed during the search as well but it is unknown if the Marines had Firearms finally both disappearances occurred within a very short period of time within each other and were in very close proximity to each other as well and in the search log Searchers wrote that they were searching Cade's Cove which if you recall is the exact area where Harold Key saw the man in the bushes shortly after seeing the man running

on the ridge so looking at the evidence presented in each case it looks like the disappearances could have been caused by the same thing many people have theorized that both disappearances are because of Bigfoot or wild men despite Dwight marter stating that it wasn't likely a wild man that took Dennis all evidence points to someone being in the woods and running off with him and same for trenny there was no way a 16-year-old girl who had just been busted in knew her way around the woods enough to follow the path that she did it had

to be something or someone that led her or carried her through the woods which is terrifying to think about it would also explain why trenny was lured into the woods while special forces were called and armed in both cases and why the FBI and NPS both did Private Investigations withholding and changing information released to the public it's because there is something in the woods at Great Smokey National Park and whether it is a man or a beast it has a propensity for stealing children and while the idea of Bigfoot is crazy many believe that the

Smoky mountains are home to the creature even David pitus himself is a big believer and plans to appear at numerous Bigfoot conferences and talks but it is tough to say what happened to both victims but one thing is for sure there was some shady [ __ ] occurring in the woods and in this investigation but alas my heart goes out to the families involved in this and I hope that one day these these kids can be found because it's absolutely heartbreaking and the conspiracies around it are all so heartbreaking to hear about but until then

be safe and be vigilant and that brings us to our next stories so as we know David post investigates many cases of missing persons from seemingly all areas of American history and he takes a particular interest in those that offer no clear answers like many he entertains the idea that perhaps there are answers beyond the scope of what science as we know it can explain he explains why some people go missing and are never found and some of the very strange ways that people are recovered whether before or after they succumb to the elements or

the unknown some of these fascinating cases involve people who have gone missing and are found after their location is revealed to a family member in a dream this concept is bizarre I know but how far-fetched is it really cuz I know I've had some dreams that were kind of like premonition and I've scared myself so who knows but without further Ado we are going to look into some of these cases that David pitus has detailed and we can come to our own conclusions first up we have Gustav [Music] Dill nestled quietly along the banks of

cesana river dun Canan Pennsylvania is a small town where time seems to flow a little slower the kind of place where the air is thick with the scent of pine from the surrounding forests and in the early 20th century duncanon was little more than just a DOT on the map though its Community was living and breathing apart from the rapidly Industrial ized World outside every face here was familiar and the steady pace of the river and the railroad marked The rhythms of daily life with under 1,500 people as of the 2020 census this sleepy little

town still feels like it's suspended in time it's still surrounded by the Wilds with state parks nearby and gameel lands for hunting to the Northwest and South and the river to the east residents even have access to the Appalachian Trail nearby one can only imagine what it must have been like to live in the region in the early 1900s before four-lane highways cut their way through the terrain like long ugly scars In This Very place on a November day in 1916 Gustav Dill a man of modest means but strong character went out on the river

for the last time he and his buddies went on a hunting trip with the goal of crossing the sus Guana sorry if I'm saying that wrong but plans would go Ary when the boat flipped and its occupants would be tossed into the river Gustav would be pulled beneath the water and unfortunately Gustav did not know how to swim and his friends would not be able to save him despite the best efforts of Riverman dragging the river for days with grappling hooks in hopes of recovering Gustav there was unfortunately no luck and the week or so

after efforts had concluded and the hopes of finding Gustav had waned his wife would have a dream in which every detail of his location was revealed and even witness his funeral so she would implore people to help her pick up the search again but to no avail it was only when a couple of old rivermen who took pity on her skeptical of her claims to say the least agreed to take up the search again 10 days after the boat accident and within 5 minutes of casting their grappling hooks into the river for the first time

where gustaf's wife indicated gustaf's body was recovered and this story seems like the kind of tale that would make national news or at the very least the front page right a woman had a vision of where her husband's body could be found after his boat overturned like what that seems like a really big deal but the only reference we could find of this was a small block from the third page of a newspaper the Atlanta Georgian and it says this a dream of his widow led to the finding of the body of Gustav Dill a

duncanon who was drowned in the in the sasana river there when his boat was overturned experienced rivermen had dragged the stream missing so they believed no current or Eddy in which the body might have been lodged efforts were discontinued 10 days ago several nights ago in a dream Mrs Dale saw every circumstance of the finding of the body and later the funeral of the drowned man she was unable at first to Prevail upon any person to search for the body finally two old rivermen incredulous but full of pity agreed to take upon the search again

within 5 minutes after the man had thrown in the grappling irons the body was hooked and brought to the surface at the place indicated by Mrs Dill no interview no nothing like this woman literally a miracle happened and that's that's it that's it anyway that's I think that's like amazing and very interesting and this happens like more than you think let's get into the next one Alice May Mathers another city would also have the quiet Serenity of its streets Disturbed in 1963 when 12-year-old girl by the name of Alice May Mathers went missing mission is

a city that is carved out of a place amidst the forests and the forest cover mountains in British Columbia also I can say this now because I live in Texas that's where I lived that's where I lived I lived in abbotford but I actually just I was living in Mission and I love it I literally lived in the woods and it was awesome and I miss it but I love I love Texas as well it's great anyway it falls southeast of Vancouver and north of the Fraser River and Neighbors The Golden Ears Mountain which I've

climbed on many occasions Alice May Mathers was a 12-year-old girl who lived with her family on the outskirts of Mission British Columbia Canada and on June 9th 1963 she disappeared under circumstances that would later reveal a chilling crime Alice had spent the day visiting her married sister who lived about a mile from the Mather's home that day she borrowed an electric mixer from her sister and planned to use it for baking when she returned home however Alice never made it back when she didn't arrive home as expected her father traced her steps back but found

no sign of her the Mather's family and friends and neighbors began searching for her immediately and soon after the RCMP or Royal Canadian Mounted Police and there would also be an additional hundred volunteers helping to search for Alice and the primary search area would be the dense Woods surrounding the Mather's property and obviously the route that Alice would have taken to get home and early in the search dogs would be brought in to pick up Alice's scent and the dogs would Trace her trail from her sister's house to the nearby lwh heat highway where the

smell would abruptly end and this discovery raised the possibility that Alice could have been abducted and the Mather's family would grow increasingly desperate as the days passed with no sign of Alice and 2 weeks after Alice's disappearance on June 23rd 1963 her mother would have a vivid dream in this dream she saw Alice lying in a gully or a pit lifeless on a rock the dream was so absolute and unsettling that she shared it with her husband the following day and unable to shake the image Mrs Mathers insisted that they search this place so the

Mathers sought help from a friend who was very familiar with this area Mrs Mathers would describe the area from her dream and together they would travel to a gravel pit about 14 mi from their home and they would begin searching opposite sides and it wasn't long before one of them found a small figure lying on a rock just as Mrs Mathers had described the figure was severely beaten and unrecognizable but the clothing and pair of new shoes was identified as Alice's and this was no accident and there was no mystery here Alice was murdered and

an inquiry into another case that tied in with the MA's case turned up two suspects a pair pair of brothers 30-year-old Kenneth Lloyd maker and 35-year-old James Leonard maker they'd kidnapped her along her walk home grabbing her from low heat highway and fibers were covered from under Alice's fingernails matched those in a jacket and trousers recovered from the home of Kenneth and hair on Alice's body was also similar to that recovered from a blanket at the house and neither Brother spoke asked if they had anything to say for themselves cuz they're pieces of [ __

] but both would be charged with capital murder though Kenneth was the one who had done all the killing in a document containing the names of those sentenced to death in Canada between 1867 and 1976 Kenneth's name appears on page 2117 though the result of his trial was life imprisonment these deaths are undoubtedly horrifically tragic but there is an erir of mystery around them what happened to Gustav wasn't a mystery people saw what happened and what happened to Alice had been a mystery but the mystery was solved the mystery is how both of these people

had women in their lives that had dreams that revealed where their bodies were Gustav's wife and Alice's mother like how how does that happen is it just a wild coincidence or is it Supernatural we'll never really know but subconscious perception could be the answer both women may have subconsciously absorbed information from their surroundings or conversations that they consciously processed the human brain is constantly taking in vast amount of sensory data much of which we don't actively notice it's possible that during their waking hours they observed subtle Clues such as landscape uh weather patterns or even

patterns in the search efforts that their conscious Minds just overlooked and in their dreams these pieces of information could have been synthesized into a coherent message or image which then manifested into a dream which guided them to the bodies and many people boast about the power of the subconscious mind and its ability to translate input from all senses and multitask when the conscious mind is focusing on one thing at a time and one other interesting potential answer is a scientific concept that well kind of crazy has become an accepted fact quantum entanglement quantum entanglement is

a newer idea definitely to me I've not heard of it much just looking into it like for this case with examples being Yin and Yang or protons and electrons essentially when two things are subject to quantum entanglement when you do something to one it affects the other as said before this happens with protons and electrons and the idea of Yin and Yang is also similar to this in fact when the wave functions of entangled photons was visualized it appears very reminiscent of Yin and Yang so can people be linked in such a way who knows

I'm not a scientist nor do I pretend to be okay I I got A's in science in high school and whatnot but that doesn't that does not make me a quantum entanglement professor of sorts but it does feel almost like when they say two twins are physically linked and when one is hurt the other feels it you know it makes me think a lot you know I think a lot go outside of myself and everything it's very interesting but I think it's really awesome that um these women were able to find their loved ones and

kind of have that closure that the other cases didn't which brings us to our next case the Oz effect [Music] so on March 14th 2014 a man by the name of Dr James mcgrogan would disappear outside Veil Colorado on a hiking trip he and three other of his friends went on this hike and after some strange things happened he disappeared Dr James mcgrogan was a man in excellent shape he was a 39-year-old physician and someone very familiar with the outdoors and Hiking with his three friends as I said he decided to go on a hiking

trip and do some skiing they gathered some supplies at a store nearby and they would also rent equipment at a place called Confluence kayaks where they took gear and began their long hike into the Holy Cross Wilderness the route started from the town of Vil to the Iceman Hut the path being about 6 to 8 Mi long however the elevation of this Hut was around 11,000 ft due to it being up a mountain which is a lot okay I come from the mountainous Rocky Mountains up in BC all right I know elevation all right that's

really high and it's a popular area for high Hiers nearby since it's very Scenic and nature oriented and in the right weather it's perfect for skiing which was the point of the group's hike and They carried supplies such as a split snowboard a blanket a GPS a cell phone with an extra battery a shovel and medical supplies with some additional gear as well just to ensure that everything went smoothly on the hike and that they were prepared for anything that might happen so during the hike at around 10:00 a.m. the group decided to take a

rest at one of the stops due to their lack of experience compared to mcgrogan mcgrogan would state that he still had energy and told the group he would meet them at the next rest stop to which the group agreed cuz he was experienced and he knew what he was doing so there was no worries of him really needing help so after the group rested they got all their gear packed up and they began to make their way to the next R stop to meet him but as soon as they got there they would realize that

mcgrogan was not there confused they thought that he may have gone further just being impatient waiting for the group so they continued yet again and after hours passed and around 5:30 p.m. after searching all day they realized something was very wrong so one member of the group decided to hike all the way back down to notify the Eagle County Sheriff's Office which then in turn led to a 5day search trying to find mcgrogan and what confused the searching party and his friends was that mcgrogan was extremely experienced how could he have just disappeared out of

nowhere sure there was snow on the ground but it was packed but it was packed so firmly that it was impossible to lose sight of where you needed to go especially for a skilled hiker and skier and no phone calls were exchanged according to David pitus but according to a Facebook post that we found it says M grogan's cell phone pinged once the day he went missing but after that it went dead but these are conflicting reports so I will leave it to the expert David pitus So a search team and three helicopters were sent

over the 1800 square mile area to try to find James Groen but still there was no evidence as to where he had gone strangely enough Footprints should have led the search to find him only like light flurries were falling from the sky and there was absolutely no way the tracks could have disappeared entirely but after 5 days of searching he was nowhere to be found so unfortunately they would call off the search but during the search there were reports of eerie silences in the area tied to the phenomenon that they called the Oz effect which

involves a complete silence in an area like almost unnatural no signs of wildlife no signs of moving brush or trees just complete silence which is horrifying and this feeling can also bring on a sense of being watched or a Detachment from reality and researchers claimed that the silence was extremely Eerie the supernatural silence gives the body the feeling that something is very wrong but after 20 days after his disappearance his body would be found 4 and2 miles away way through two gullies over a 12,000 ft mountain in an area where they completely didn't expect to

find him and he would be found by three hikers at 9,950 FT in elevation in boot Falls where search and rescue would later recover his body it was on an ice sheet so the surrounding area would be completely Frozen compared to its flowing water in the image here where Booth Creek Falls 9,950 ft in elevation that's Booth Creek behind me and this is a location where in April 20 days after his disappearance Dr mcran was found on an ice sheet and that's what it would have been this would have been solid ice back in April

he was found wearing black leggings a shirt an undershirt gray socks no coat no gloves and no boots and the jacket along with the GPS was found unused and packed away in his backpack for some odd reason however again the phone was not not used and conflicting reports state that he would have had service around this location as well but we can really never know but according to David pitus there were two bars of reception from the location where he died the interesting part behind the phone is that the phone had a backup battery and

when the coroner took the phone you turned it on and it worked now where we're at right now I have two bars in active service on my phone and if you look at the mountain over here here to my right you'll notice that it's huge it only makes sense that the further you went up into that mountain you would still have phone service like I do now and they also found his snowboard where it was later returned he was also wearing a helmet and underneath the helmet they had noticed he had severe head injuries and

Trauma to the left side of his chest and a broken femur and what makes it strange is the complete disappearance of his boots and we have seen this before in many for one one disappearance cases and especially in the DEA pass case where for some reason shoes and boots were removed during these times which I believe is due to hypothermia because it is very very common for people experiencing hypothermia to get very very hot and take off their clothes so that could be a factor and it would kind of make sense cuz his coat wasn't

found on him either so he had been almost like shedding layers so that could be a possibility so not only did he have a GPS and a phone and the path wasn't too confusing to get off of especially for an experienced skier and hiker how did James reg Grogan get lost and die in such a tragic way it's essentially completely unexplainable David pus went back to Confluence kayaks the place where all the stuff was rented and would ask Brian some questions he was the one that was there when James rented the equipment and the specific

supplies a splitboard skins for it a probe a beacon a shovel and a helmet only the probe and the helmet were never never returned and he never questioned why the helmet wasn't returned due to the understanding that anyone that dies with equipment that they wear and is lost in the wilderness for 30 days made sense however he was kind of unbothered by the probes and when asking Brian what would ever cause someone to take that specific route that James or Grogan took he says it's basically unexplainable that route was not normal and it was an

extremely difficult route even for training let alone fun and the exact Journey isn't factual but they alleged that it went something like this he would have had to climb up 1296 ft to then 1,000 ft down towards the creek then up another 1100 ft again to get to the peak of Bald Mountain which is about 12,000 ft that's a lot then he descended to a lower Summit and then another 1130 ft down again the end of his journey where his body was found was another far drop leading to his resting place and what doesn't make

sense is through this entire Journey it's estimated he never used the skis for going down the mountain since they were found attached to his pack when his corpse was found and that's around a 4 and2 mile long trip just going in a straight line so it would actually be 12 to 16 mil long due to the zigzag down up steep Cliffs and whatnot and all of this is what James mcgrogan allegedly traveled all on his own with loose snow that could have been an avalanche so completely unsafe basically so why would an experienced hiker put

himself through this so it's really unfortunate because it's so unexplainable and the phenomenon of the Oz effect and its Eerie undertones really make that place seem haunted or paranormal possibly there's really no explanation did James see something that caused him to walk off the path or was he dealing with something behind the scenes that people didn't know about or was he really not in his right mind and something caused him to act so strangely that still to this day can't be explained I don't know all I know is that it is a truly depressing horrible

Tale in what was meant to be a very fun boy trip ended in death and in the last case of our crazy conspiratorial disappearances we have Tom messic on November 15th 2015 an 82-year-old man went missing while on a hunting trip with his friends near Lily Pond located in the adarand de mountains in New York at around 10:00 a.m. in the morning he was a very experienced Hunter and Outdoorsman and he had extensive experience with rifles due to his background as an ex paratrooper for the 82nd Airborne Division and the Hunter Safety Classes he taught

he was known to be reliable and independent so there was no question that he knew exactly what he was doing however at 82 years of age an accident that left him blind in one eye when he was in his 20s was catching up to him so the group he was with had walkie-talkies but this was the first time they had hunted in this particular area before so they made sure to stay close and keep in contact however a plan in scaring the deers towards each other was made to draw the wildlife into the area that

they were in but before separating they agreed to meet up at the rende view point at around 2:00 p.m. so after the groups separated they began the hunt and what was strange about this hunting trip so far is that they hadn't seen any deer where they were let alone any Wildlife at all red flags red flags and after a while while searching and realizing that there was no wildlife in the area they decided to head towards the agreed upon Meetup point and Tom never initiated or responded on his radio so the group became a bit

worried at that point a few of the members would stay behind while the rest would go ahead and search for Tom eventually going to the position that he was meant to be at however when the group arrived Tom was nowhere to be seen there was no clue or sign nothing left behind and all his gear was nowhere to be seen the group was getting extremely worried at this point given that there was no signs of an attack or any clue to lead the group to Tom's supposed disappearance one member of the group would drive to

find help while the rest of the group tried everything in their power to get Tom's attention from shooting in the sky to screaming for him and the search would continue for about 4 hours before the sun had finally gone down realizing that they needed to change their strategy since what they were doing wasn't working so they headed towards their vehicles and began to to drive along the roads with their high beams on honking their horns and eventually rescue teams would also search for Tom and 13 professionals from park services were all looking for him as

well and over the next several weeks 300 professionals and volunteers continued to search for Tom even using dogs and separate helicopters to try to locate the missing vet so 15 different agencies were looking for Tom at this point forest rangers police K9 units DAC police officers the FBI quick Response Team tactical teams and search and rescue teams and of course the help of volunteers from different backgrounds all for Tom and they checked everywhere from the roads to the swamps and no stone was left unturned supposedly and the search teams would also notice the lack of

wildlife in the area which left an eerie Aura throughout the coming weeks similar to the case that we just talked about with like the Oz effect and the search would be extremely difficult not only because of the weather I conditions and where it was but also because Tom was wearing camouflage which is why the search dogs were so important in this case also the area of the search was huge the search area being around 3,000 Acres or about 4.7 square miles big some people believe that Tom could have gotten lost or hurt over the rough

terrain such as the swamps and the hills but Tom's Family stated that he knew what he was capable of at his age and wouldn't put himself through any danger of any sort if if he had genuinely been in danger his Common Sense would have caused him to contact his friends via the radio but yet he didn't and multiple theories have sprouted up after his disappearance questioning what had really happened to Tom messic according to a family member that was also on the hunting trip the only sound that he heard was very strange and he said

it was definitely not normal like almost like a trap door slamming closed or some sort of door cracking noise which is also terrifying to hear in a forest what and he stated that it wasn't an animal or any type of vehicle noise but a door noise specifically it would obviously be brushed off by the cops cuz you know cops just kidding my brother's cop he's awesome and what makes it more concerning though is our friendly neighborhood FBI was involved in the case cuz very rarely does the FBI investigate in a missing person's search the only

time when they do is when they believe that f play is involved yet they were there and Tom's wife Beverly said the FBI told me something isn't right with his case but they don't know what they won't share any theories if they have them the FBI said until they make a discovery they're never going to know and even Sheriff LaMore who was questioned by David pitus talked about these FBI agents coming in stating he was very unsure as to why they were there as well so Tom was declared Officially Missing and is still to this

day day declared missing and in 2023 an article was posted about Tom stating that the 8 years later the search for Tom Messi continues on hoping to find their father and friend but to this day no one knows what happened to them nothing at all has been found on Tom his gun his jacket or any evidence of Foul Play or animal involvement so what could it have been he couldn't have got that far from his original position with his old age could the FBI know something we don't probably if I go missing it's the FBI

okay am I allowed to say that well I did cuz why else would they have gotten involved and how could a man in his 8s just completely disappear and not a single piece of evidence be found why is there such an eerie lack of wild life in this area as well similar to the James mcgrogan case or is it possible the foul play was involved but this is truly one of the strangest Missing 411 cases cuz there was truly no logical explanation to give it all I know is that it is just another very unfortunate

disappearance of a very loved and respected man and his family still to this day does not have any leads or closure to Tom Messi's disappearance so hopefully the search continues uh I I I love making these kind of videos kind of getting the word back out there especially on cold cases I don't know if it's ever going to spark something hopefully it does hopefully it leaves you uh wary of your surroundings you know always buddy system buddy system buddy system it's a Scary World out there and there's some weird stuff going on there's some weird

strange stuff going on but I hope you liked this kind of video if you do please like the video and also let me know what other cases you want to hear about down below I very much enjoy telling the stories of these cases and bringing light to them but until next time I will see your beautiful face in the next video and stay safe out there all right bye