JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day what up up what's up what's up good to see you my friend what is the chain what does that what does that stand for and Gage this is uh my fightwear brand Ash Bill Castro started this oh um he was one of the I'll say this he was um one of the only guys who [ __ ] with me before I really like blew up so when I was fighting in China and I lost to Alex

they stopped giving me fights and I had I think at the time I was a highest paid foreign fighter in China at the time probably not now anymore but then they stopped giving me fights and I was like look I have seven more fights on my contract can I at least just get three I just need three cuz money was running out you know the money I had saved up and then yeah I was down to my last one day like $500 and Eugene was holding pads for me you could see something was up and

I just said bro I'm I'm about to be broke this and that ra he said don't worry just leave it with me I get home I think I was on the toilet and he just goes check your bank account and I'm sitting there just like stop crying and I call him he's like no don't thank me thank Ash who started engage and I call Ash I'm taking a [ __ ] and I'm just like thank you thank you so much like honestly just inter tears because you know I mean I've been there like nothing and

had everything and nothing again so for me yeah he's always been a guy that's been in my corner and me and Alex vinoski now we you know we've helped raise the brand so we own part of the company so yeah I like to rep the set oh that's cool nice nice and I think we engage also was last final three when they had the whole rebok Fiasco it was uh Venom and Gage and someone else I can't remember who else so we didn't get the the gig but it would have been nice though oh the

UFC gig yeah engage fight kids for the fighters but now it's fight kits yeah the whole fight kit thing is weird I really preferred it when Fighters could have sponsors condom Depo on the back of your short I don't like that I mean they should probably have some discretion I did like it though and I do like the fact now like uh the last fight I had uh Hunter hit me up way before any gold gloves or anything says Izzy we're going to do this for certain Fighters what design would you like on your shorts

and I was like bet and I hit up Curtis who works with engage does a lot of the designs and I told him what I wanted and then he just did some custom stuff and I sent a few to Hunter and then boom I got my shorts the lightning and I quite like that I like expression that's one thing I do miss about boxing or kickboxing is the expression on the Mong Kong the armbands the shorts like uh Jonathan hay like he has cool shorts with gold and like bows on the side yeah I like

that it's cool I do too yeah it's think everybody has to wear the same [ __ ] I think maybe the UFC at the time they wanted to be taken seriously in a sense so we had to like professional sports but N I think we're all different independent contractors and we have different styles so I'm glad now they've brought out for certain Fighters like om Al and his pink shorts Bryce Mitchell his camo shorts you know let us express ourselves we're I like that but I wish Fighters had the ability to advertise oh big time

yeah that's big sponsors on your shorts is a lot of money like sha was making more money from the sponsors than he was from his fighers yeah I agree and there's a way to bring it back I'm sure but even now cuz they've got some you get you get some Kickbacks but it's better if you can just plastic condom Depot and get 100 Grand on the back of your shows how much was condom Depot pay I know but I used to think it was funny and the fact on the on the on the back of

the short time like that's placement advertising I just feel like you know if they they didn't like some cuz it didn't represent the sport like condom Depot like then just [ __ ] you know have a list of ones that you agree to that's actually a good idea like say approve sponsors okay these guys or maybe they go through a check first right you want to maybe advertise on a fighter shorts you have to go through this rigorous check what's your company you know what do you guys sell right right or right or R and

then yeah plast it on the shorts get some money cuz but I do like it when boxers wear cool shorts you know they wear whatever the [ __ ] they want like I love it when Melvin man hofford wear those the Gladiator ones yeah yeah he was a badass I like tassos though that's me when my shorts I always like tassels cuz when you kick the way they Shimmer the way they look and it just yeah makes for cool picks yeah there's a that mean that's just one of the things about the UFC just they

want everything to be uniform organized but again like now at the at for certain Fighters they changing there which is good but hopefully that trickles down I don't feel like anybody should be wearing shorts in grappling I feel like the the Temptation for yeah tights Temptation for grabbing is just too much yeah and it does happen yeah I've seen it it happened to me even with uh what's his name Brunson in the in the Brunson he grabbed my tights and I was like yo that's two times you've done it now so it is tempting but

I think tights would be the best way to fight but again some guys like have cool shorts and if if if that's their style that's their style cuz some people I guess maybe they're body type maybe they got no ass they don't want to be I got something back there but like I don't know guy like I would't drop no names but like you know wearing tights you look like a [ __ ] right a stick or something yeah yeah you look a little flat yeah yeah that's what it is though yeah it is what

it is I mean there's a lot of room for expression it's it's interesting to watch like all the different styles that people promote themselves as well you know like there's so many different ways now and then there's guys like Alex who you know he doesn't even speak English and he's risen to the top just based on performance but even the fact that he doesn't speak English that's also his super pie just sha right what do you think about that fight this weekend I can't wait I just did the breakdown for it we're about to drop

it on YouTube now I am picking in this fight Alex cuz I just think the momentum behind him right now is so big he's just got momentum look I was the most active champion in UFC history I think Le next to Alex volkanovski as well he was right up there with me or if not more than me I think Alex now is on his way to being the most active champ in UFC history because he's already saved this year I think two or three cards alone he's like stepped in be like yeah sha just does

it jumps in and he fights [ __ ] up he fights injured apparently his knee was really [ __ ] up in the first Yi prosa fight oh wow you know when he stopped yui and then he said he did like a forward roll off the year he said he did that because he didn't trust standing on his right knee oh wow momentum yeah his knee was [ __ ] up so he didn't like it was [ __ ] up in training camp and so when he stepped off of him he just decided roll forward

instead of putting weight on his right knee that's smart that's some Parkour [ __ ] but again it's that's that's what you have to do you look when you get in the UFC this is what I did as well and he did it the the right way fight as much as possible fight as much as possible so you can be in people's faces so they can see that guy just fought that guy just fought oh I just saw fight last month and you fight as much as you can and you get that momentum behind you

and then you become Champion you're that guy and then again you just that momentum constantly you're in people's faces getting posted here here and that's how you build a stock up so I've done that and he's doing it the right way as well and I think if he keeps going I hope he retires never getting defeated by anyone ever again just you hey and the way you did it too oh my God that was one of the greatest celebrations of all time yeah it just look it's it's it's the story behind it no matter what

it's just the history cuz David even mentioned to me my brother said like you know you're the only one that can actually stand with that guy like no one's lasted more than two rounds or even a round with him and I thought about it during the breakdown like yeah you're right and it's cuz I knew him I fought that guy so many times and regardless of what happened I lost three times and I finally won one it was just the fact that I knew I could beat him every time I fought him I was just

like I was I was beating him I thought you won the first one I felt so too but then that's you know the Chinese judges kickboxing fight they gave it to him and then the second fight in Brazil under the same company that he gets me but again I was besting him had him on skates he was [ __ ] and then he bro his Spirit you know what Jerry said about the whole Juju thing like that's real that's real so the the last time I fought him in Miami look he beats me that's why

I hate when people say oh is he scared he scared I like bro I ain't scared as [ __ ] the guy beat me in the biggest uh Arena on the planet Madison Square Garden same way as the last time he beat me in Brazil in his hometown I was beating his ass had him hurt in the end of the first round all that [ __ ] took him down down and then he gets me in the last round it's his Spirit his whatever like ancestors or his people that are praying for him because I

got prayer warriors as well my mom and dad be fasting and they have people like in the spirit praying for me but like the way he carries himself something about him just he knows how to recover well so I just knew I could get him I could get him and then after that he knocks me out in the biggest arena in the world and I'm just like let's do that [ __ ] again Dana cuz I just knew I was like I can get and then that camp I was so I went to a different

place and that was the one I kind of mentioned I I micro doed a little bit or macro do a lot and like I always say this the shower is the most interesting place on the planet I feel cuz you have the element of water running over your body strip naked and your Bare Essentials you kind of have this if it's a white shower like a void white space I can create a lot in there I can make a lot of things happen and yeah one time after one of my showers I just wrote this

thing on my mirror because I just had this premonition like this is where I get it done like there's no way you could beat me one time you could beat me two times you might beat me three times but I was like nah this guy's not going to beat me this time and I just knew I had to get this done and the way it happened as well cuz first round I think I won and the second round I was winning but then that [ __ ] leg kick bro you know what it is you

look at his foot you look at this bit of his foot mhm it's like a hammer you know like a like the like the back of a hammer or a hammer like a ball pain it is because that's what he kicks you with as well so he doesn't have to excuse me he doesn't have to turn the hip over right and then when he hits you with that even cuz he's bone density long legs and he hits you with that you just feel it like oo that's bad and it's a it's a different feeling cuz

I've been kicked by Kick boxes all my life on the thigh on the calf as well but when he hits you with that bit it's just the surface are area so small but it tra it it travels and transfers through your whole calf and you're like oh I can't put weight on this it's so interesting too how he keeps his body completely square and he doesn't even really turn the hips yeah that's and so it's so sneaky he doesn't have to because he's got so much bone density so much whip from that little mhm and

yeah it's dangerous and I think that's going to be a problem this weekend for uh khil but I don't know why cha says he he did you hear about what CH say he thinks C's going to knock him out that's possible but I just don't think he's it's possible but I don't think he's going to get it done cuz all it takes is one from either side but I just think Pereira right now has just got that momentum behind him and the frame cuz he's GNA just avoid the shots khil is throwing because he just

got the long frame and he'll get out right out the way and I don't think khil has the reach to mess with him like that so he might have to get inside but uh yeah we'll see this is why paper can't fight paper they have to get in there fight so we'll find out it's very interesting cuz khalil's so fast and khalil's had experience with highlevel kickboxers when he knocked out Goan saki that was a big one you know that was a big one and that was like early on where everybody was like oh [

__ ] go saki is finally in the UFC and then boom CLE just takes him out yeah C's fast he hits [ __ ] hard and he throws like that the thing that he did with lionhardt he throws that off speed [ __ ] sometimes he give you a little this and then he jolts in on you that off speed OT was nasty it's the looks it's like I'm here I'm almost Prince nesque but different just like looking looking bang but again he's just violent like when he smells blood he just goes in yeah like

I said he beats you like you owe him money or something he's on you he's on you yeah very violent but again I think khil for him to win this fight he just has to believe in himself and that sounds real cheesy but believe in himself also as a southpaw I didn't think about that right I actually forgot about that till David mentioned it before but he's a southpaw so but I'm sure Alex and his team know how to deal with it but I understand how Alex deals with southpaws as well cuz I can fight

him both ways and I know what he when he when you give him that front leg and he knows he can get it he gets more confident but if you're a southpaw he finds other ways to keep you at Bay till he can get that leg MH yeah it's going to be interesting to see like right away how khil deals with the distance and how Alex deals with the speed cuzz the thing is like Alex can be hit you know and Bruno Silva tagged him a few times you took him out I think the 85

thing was the I think the drain for him to make 85 was Insanity I think it was insan he's so F he still he he still can but look it only works until you get knocked out and it's like all right bet let's go to 205 and I said look all these 185s should thank me man they honestly I tell thank me cuz he a lot of the top guys didn't have to fight him he fought okay who did he fight St Strickland that was one of the only top guys he fought beat him and

then I think he got a shot at me next pretty much but yeah [ __ ] rob drias all them cuz it's not about just fighting him getting ready to fight him is a different thing but I had to do it [ __ ] four times so I understand I have a different history what's different about getting ready to fight him for me getting ready to fight him you just know you're going to be in for a war you know it's not going to be an easy fight same for him he knows when he has

to fight me it's like [ __ ] it's not an easy fight cuz he knows what I can do to him but for me as well I was just like [ __ ] okay let's go again and again it's not like cuz I feel that way with certain people but with him it's just a different feeling I guess cuz he beat me that's another thing cuz and I was like man I got to [ __ ] face this demon again all right bet let's face my demons and I get myself up to fight him but

it's it's just getting ready to fight him it's just the the hurdle I think maybe just because of the history that's why for me I felt that way because of the history because to fight someone who's beaten you multiple times it's like and you know you can beat them in your heart you just know but again that's the beauty of the story right you had come so close a couple of times every time and then even in the first fight in the UFC so close to the end of that first round like you had him

if there was 30 seconds left in the fight or in the round yeah 10 seconds left but again that's the beauty of the story cuz then he waited till the fifth round or go to the fifth round he's just like did his [ __ ] Juju whatever thing and then [ __ ] he just had this energy and he came at me and then my leg was compromised from the leg kick CU my the peral nerve or whatever and I couldn't do anything so yeah but look I love that story for myself and I'm happy

and people still go oh when you're the third one I'm like look I do it again I [ __ ] knock them out oh no okay now it's 3-2 we got the best out of seven right I'm not fighting for anyone else I only have so much left in this game I'm not going to spend this game fighting one guy over and over and over again I go I don't know how long left but I just know I'm definitely on the other side of my career so I want to get these fights out the way

and now I'm not champ anymore in the UFC so I just I'm in this situation where what do I do I know I want to fight though because I took 11 months off and I let my body healed and all that and I felt great so now I want to get back to being active not as active as I was in the beginning maybe but I want to be active and I still feel great from the last Camp did some testing about 3 weeks ago find out where we were at I was about where I

was before this last fight four weeks out so it's like okay cool we're still good let's build off that so yeah I want to fight again how much of an effect did take in 11 months off have I think it was more good than bad I know some people say ring rust or this and that and I'm like nah I felt good in there I felt good in there and it was only when I watched the fight back I saw a couple of mistakes I made even on the feet where I was like oo don't

do that again just with my feet work my exits even David said you had sloppy exits I was like yeah my bad but um yeah that and then the moment at the end when I slipped and I just the laps and judgment when I was just letting him know it was me tripping those kind of moments maybe if I was as active it it wouldn't have happened but who knows we'll never know but I am happy with how I performed I was happy with the shape I came in I came in really good shape and

uh what's his name Bill this guy he did the numbers for me he said this is the most active I've been in any fight by far in my UFC career he crunched the numbers up and said uh my strike per minute rate or whatever all you nerds figure it out you can do your own but yeah he Bill SM he's this guy who helps out me now with my strength he uh yeah did the numbers and said this is the most active you were so we can do some things different um put a little bit

more gas in the tank things like that and then just stay active like that it was good and I had fun in there I had fun just exchanging yeah I wanted to ask you about that like the gas in the tank thing because this is a there's a philosophy that Marv marinovich and Nick kerson some of these guys have BJ pan Co yeah so what they wanted BJ to do when BJ was in his prime essentially the the camp was entirely based around strength and conditioning so it was all conditioning to give you this insane

gas tank their philosophy is you know how to fight you've been fighting your whole life you're not going to get better at fighting in six weeks but what you can get is insane cardio if you only concentrate on that and it they don't their their thought process is that is the most thing that is the thing that fails you the most in fights that's the thing that keeps you from hitting the gas keeps you from doing the things you want to do keeps you from being able to scramble out of positions but if you can

instead of all this fight specific training like put that aside and just give yourself the most [ __ ] insane gas tank humanly possible and then fight and then the margins the things the times when you're going to need it like your skill level is already Elite World Championship skill level it's not going to deteriorate because your cardio gets better in 6 to 8 weeks but what you can do is give yourself this insane base of cardio so in those moments when you need to hit the gas you can yeah and that's what they did

for BJ when BJ was at his best yeah I think the best I saw BJ from watching him especially live he was training with them UFC 107 I think Diego Sanchez he looked like a demon in that fight exactly unbelievable gas tank and insane confidence shape like it was [ __ ] abs that I agree definitely um you can always sharpen the tools you know keep it sharp but again for when you're in a camp it's just about getting fit and yeah there's some things we can tweak so that way we can keep that out

because when you get fatigued is when you lose your your your laps in judgment you could your reflexes as well things like that just start to like go down were you feeling fatigued in the last round with trick I didn't I don't think so there was one point in the third round where me and him we really put it on and we kind of had this like lowkey agreement like okay you're [ __ ] I'm [ __ ] let's chill for a and then I think round four I came out like cool Bam Bam Bam

and I did that sprawl on them but again he's so stubborn cuz I sprawled on him like I literally he shot I sprawled and my hips hit the back of his head into the mat might have rocked him I don't know and then um what's his name Mar G's like get up and he's on one knee and and then when he like get up and he finally decided to get up slowly and I Tred to attack him he just threw but not to try and hit me he just threw just to stop my momentum you

know sto me from coming at him and yeah he's a guy that just strong will strong will like yeah I can respect that physically strong too yeah not as strong as I thought he would be probably because I felt strong as well like I packed on some some muscle for that fight preparing for those kind of grueling exchanges yeah but even just for me myself I just wanted to feel strong so so U me and my boy AB we yeah put on some muscle for that fight and then having Matt actually making good food for

me for the first time ever cuz I got this far off just whatever I wanted to eat you know Ur eats I yeah we were talking about that when we went to Terry Black's Barbecue today yeah this the worst thing to eat right before podcast like oh I got the coffee now I'm like yeah let's go out we ped out but honestly for me having those kind of cuz I'm not 23 anymore 24 my body doesn't metabolize food and you know the way it used to so I have to I have to think about it

like Israel be smart uh understand your body's getting older no I don't feel old though that's the thing when I was young I thought 34 I'm done with this game then I'm like I'm old but that was when I was 24 but now that I'm here I'm like could still squeeze a lot out of this could still squeeze a lot out of this so we are and the whole thing you ever use Barrack chamber nah not yet we don't I don't know if we have that in Auckland probably do I did a whole series when

I first moved to Austin I did the whole series because there's this protocol I think uh it was an Israeli study that they did where they showed that it lengthens telr you do like 60 sessions over 90 days and you know they measure your biological age by the length of your Tel they puts 20 years on you like it it decreases your age of your telr D DNA strand or something it's a well it's yeah what I don't want to [ __ ] this up so what exactly are telr layman terms the way you measure

someone's biological age is the length of the telr and through things like nmn yeah yeah I got it right yeah there it is telr are protein and DNA structures at the ends of the chromosomes that perform several important functions including protecting DNA promote preserving chromosomal Integrity Tel help help maintain the structure Integrity of DNA during replication it's the bit at the ends right mhm and as you get older they get shorter and they get weaker and you know so that's I know this I think it's just a real I saw somewhere NAD shot when people

get NAD uh infusions that helps that as well I've been seeing that lately like Bieber the Kardashians getting um I get those yeah yeah but with um Briggs uh you can do it definitely do with brigam um I I use another company see there's a lot of companies that do it you is that us approved or is it one of them yeah sh approved you don't that I'll see you later on Briggs yeah the but the the thing that does it just as well maybe even better is hyperbaric chambers and so hyperbaric chambers you elevate

it up to two uh two uh it's like two atmospheres so twice our atmosphere and then you have oxygen you wear an oxygen mask and you sit in it for an hour and a half okay and dude you come out of that and you just like woo like what the [ __ ] is going on like every day for I've been doing it a lot lately cuz I got one at the house so I've been doing it quite a bit um but it's uh just a completely different way of recovering I know I found out

about it for Recovery when euriah Faber fought Jose Aldo the leg yes his leg was [ __ ] brutalized I saw Uriah was yah was always ahead of the game and he was uh using hyperbaric chambers to help him recover and so then I started looking into it and then I found out about this Israeli study and then I started seeing all the different ways that hyper barar Chambers can increase your recovery and you know TJ Dill Shaw did a lot of that as well I think but it it makes a big impact they always

do it like when you go down to CPI in Mexico when they do stem cells they give people hyperbaric chamber treatments as well okay I have to look into that so if I wanted to do it I'd maybe do it say like what twice a week or something or once a week just something like that how how long does the effect last for that's a good question yeah I mean probably depends on the individual but it just makes anytime I have something wrong with me I get in there and I just feel just better I

bet you someone else if they have one in Auckland now they'll definitely hit me up and be like hey I bet they do uh yeah I'd like to try that yeah I bet Au has it it's timec consuming you know the whole experience is two hours because it has to get up to pressure then it has to decompress and you're in there for 90 minutes so it's like 15 minutes getting up to pressure and then 15 minutes of decompressing at the very end bet bet but uh that's that's a great way to recover as well

and there's I feel feel like every especially as you get older every Edge you can get sauna cold plunge hyperic everything every Edge you can get red light therapy all that that's where I'm at now that's where I was this last camp and I feel like even the one before that and the one before that I just remember thinking like how can I it was actually Eugene he said how can you make this Camp better and I always find something to do to make this Camp better the next one so that's like the last three

camps so this one I took it with the whole having breakfast having the chef helped me actually that was crazy that you used to train with no breakfast that's so crazy so that was my way I guess then I found out about intermittent fasting and I realized oh I've been doing that [ __ ] for years like I was just doing it by I guess laziness or accident but it actually helps though like wake up have two eggs or maybe he'll make sometimes like something with Chia seed but normally eggs and a bacon piece or

something and then she needs something yeah something just to get the fuel yeah and even Jordy uh from fight dietician he he told me yeah you should definitely be having breakfast cuz he thought like you're crazy training the way you do train and some of my morning sessions as well be grueling and then I'll go have breakfast but I enjoyed it that way cuz I felt like more one thing is when I fight fight day my body doesn't want to eat he'll make me like a nice plate of something delicious and my bud is just

like nah every so fight day I still try and eat something maybe at least an egg cuz he'll have pancakes eggs whatever bacon an egg and a little bit of bacon but my buddy just doesn't want to eat cuz it's but you think if you force yourself to eat that would be a good thing nah no so I just yeah I think DC said the same thing as well one time he said he likes to fight hungry so that way he gets that edge and I feel that way when it's fight day but when it

comes to training now I definitely like to have breakfast I like the way it feels I can like now I've done it for a few months I understand the the benefits of a of a healthy breakfast before you have a gring training session yeah it just gives you more gas Jo said that when he fought pean that he didn't neat first or second one first and he said he felt like [ __ ] the day of the fight yeah he said you know I think the time of the fight got push back I forget exactly

what the reasoning was or just forgot to eat or just wasn't feeling it because the anxiety fighting for the title you know the whole deal and he just felt it in the fight he just was wearing and especially with a guy like Aldo who cut so much weight you know aljo is so he was so big for 35 I remember running into him he was like 176 PB like what the [ __ ] how are you going to make 135 you're so big he looks good at 145 at UF 300 yeah I like it for

him I was I'm bummed out that that mosar evb fight fell out because be this weekend right yes that's a very I aljo is strong at 145 why did that fight fall out what happened Alo got injured ah he got injured and he thought he'd be able to work through it but couldn't and there's you know there's a point of diminishing returns with these weight cutting dudes where and I think you know there'll be something like they've got the whole thing at uh one with the hydration Clause but thing is no matter what people always

going to try and find a way yeah they was going to try to find a way to sneak past the hydration test or something that they can use to pass it but I don't know how that works I don't know how they test for it it's never happened to me but weight cutting uh even when I started uh fighting people used to tell me to go down to what you 170 for you guys oh my God hell no how the [ __ ] can you make 170 back when I was skinny before like I got

really brolic I was maybe I could make maybe 80 kgs that's close to 170 cuz 170 is 77 kgs but lowest I ever got to was 80 as a as a kickboxer that was it yeah 170 I'd die I I wouldn't even cuz I've seen some of these wake Cuts where go like girls oh bro like when Hamza would make 1 cyborg oh yeah you see her when she was in the in the bath in the tub crying and shaking and Oliva when they go um and they huddle around them it's a when you when

you caught weight though I'll say this thing for me when I cut weight it's a spiritual experience sometimes it's a weird experience cuz I've not just me I've seen fighters who have not get delirious but start saying things that you wouldn't they wouldn't normally say not even in a bad way but just the way they talk cuz you're close to death yeah you see the light yeah man you really are close to death I mean it sounds ridiculous to say that and for someone who doesn't understand what Fighters are going through you go oh you're

being hyperbolic but not really m not really you really are close to death if you keep going for a few more hours you'll die yeah especially I mean I like I've seen my weight cuts are normally pretty tame not as bad cuz I think I'm perfect for 185 but the ones that I've seen guys lose a lot of weight the day off and I see them how they are and even when they go to the scale you see their face just yeah you never look too destroyed no I always coming underweight as well I was

what do you what do you normally weigh like the week of a fight week of a fight if I get to the fight location say uh if when they weigh me if I'm say 198 200 yeah that's easy for me I'm like cool that's normally what I'm at that's just a few hard sauna sessions yeah but even not just the water loading and then it's like my body knows it's weird how my body does it e my body is just like it just knows okay we're getting on the plane you've done it before it just

knows it's just like muscle memory and I get to the fight location budd's like cool we're doing this and then the weight just starts to go did you notice a difference when they didn't allow IVs versus when they did allow IVs I never used it you never used it I never used IVs that's the thing so so you never cut weight enough where you were so depleted that you needed to get those bags in you [ __ ] I have like to but they say that's the best way to rehydrate the brain yeah cuz it

takes how many hours if you do it orally takes a long time yeah to get the brain and that's the affects your chin you're trying to protect is your [ __ ] Noggin slushing around in your yeah cuz uh wait what is cerebral fluid it's made of it's it's well I'm guessing a lot of water right there's a lot of water in there yeah and the the rehydration in the brain apparent is the slowest because the blood brain barrier that's the slowest you know your your bodies your muscles rehydrate fairly quickly yeah but still I

it just never makes sense to me that a person is like literally on the verge of death 24 hours before a cage fight let's go battle to the death and you get head kicked in the [ __ ] chin and yeah I don't I mean look I do love this game and I think weight Cuts is always going to be a part of it right now but who knows like cuz even now we have height differentials like are we going to start discriminating against that like okay we only have high classes is that the next

no that doesn't make any sense cuz you got guys like DC that you know even though he was not even barely 6 feet tall was heavyweight champion but he's a tank and he the wrestling skills I think that the way to do it really is to have more weight classes I think when you have the big gaps like 85 to 205 is 20 lbs that's crazy that's such a big ass Gap and then you know 205 if you want to start fighting heavyweight and then you're dealing with guys like Francis who's a natural 265 that's

such a gap they you have the ones in between okay the tiet 10B 165 170 175 180 like that they could do that but I think that's maybe a little too much I think 10 lb yeah 10 lb is reasonable all the way up the board 25 35 45 55 65 75 85 95 205 and then maybe 225 and then heavyweight super heavyweight you have more CH the whole thing of 265 being a limit for heavyweight to me is crazy cuz there bigger boys out there m hunt used to cut down to 265 yeah you

know crazy even Francis did as well yeah if they did I mean they can just I think they talked about doing it they talked about doing recently uh maybe last year I think they talked about adding more weight classes but then I never heard anything I know California was flirting with it okay maybe that's what I saw they they should have it everywhere there's too many too many gaps they're too wide like there's too many tweeners yeah you know too many guys that are too small to fight at 170 but they really can't make 55

healthy at least they took this [ __ ] out yeah they took finally yeah finally well who look I always thought that that's like a group chat like decision just say yo this is a dumb rule let's take it out boom but why does it take so long is it cuz the commission all over the United States or whatever have to get together or something I don't know I don't understand how it that seems like a common sense Rule and especially anybody who understands the power of elbows like this is not the most powerful elbow

it's just not and so to to deny that and to say that somehow know that can't be blocked well that's crazy you could do that just as easy as you can do that you can block That Elbow facts yeah it doesn't none of it makes any sense there's a bunch of things that are unrealistic in my opinion one of them is uh not being able to upkick from a downward position when a guy's on top of you so if a guy's on top of you and you're on your back and the guy has a knee

down you can't up KCK that's oh yeah that's silly yeah I get what you mean that's silly that doesn't make any sense I think you should be able to upkick when you are flat on your back and he's on his knees yeah you should cuz that's a real technique if you have rubber guard like a flexible hips or whatever you can just bring your leg and boom I think Anderson did that to someone who did he do that to uh H was it no um what's his name you should Kami I think you should know

K me yeah you got disqualified and not in the UFC oh was that in Rumble and The Rock Rumble the yellow cage yeah so that that was a good knockout but then they they disqualified him yeah that technique like if you are in a guy's guard and that guy can elbow you in the face punch you in the face why can't he kick you in the face he should be to lean back and up kick you and it would make the guard way more effective it's also more really here it is this one yeah boom

boom Oh [ __ ] good knockout that's a beautiful knockout that should be 100% legal look at the hip dexterity yeah look at it like the way he just brought that back boom ax kick like an axe kick from the outside I think yeah you know what you're right that's 100% a good technique it should be legal and you should be avoiding that if you're on top top is an advantageous position anything the guy that can do on bottom that is real for like a real fight should be allowed it's not like you're cemented in

this position like the idea of like not allowing Soccer Kicks to a down opponent what I think about that is the cage I think if you're pressed up against a cage and someone can stomp you or soccer kick you there's no way to move yeah true but if you're in an open space and there's a place to move all those things should be legal because all those things are Real Techniques facts but especially if a guy's on top of you if a guy's on top of you on his knees in your guard and you can

get a leg back and stomp him in the face that's good that's a real technique that should be 100% legal the one I like Soccer Kicks is just it just looks cool but again if you have someone pinned against the cage and they even mean them and was it one they go okay yes they allow it I don't even know what the what the discretion of the referee is to allow it I think it's if they're pinned Against the Cage then he doesn't allow it exactly okay you're in open space like if you're in open

space Soccer Kicks go did you ever see the one where Roger huera fought in one and got the one of the worst soccer kick Kos ever maybe but he fought some big Brazilian cat and this dude soccer kicked him and it was like oh my God like in the open space yeah oh yeah he had him rocked already and then he's down like this and this dude just I think the thing as well as the is the the look of it for I guess the people who aren't really hardcore fans if they see that they're

like oh then it goes back to human [ __ ] fighting okay but if that's true how about irania Alana when she fought at the sphar her whole face is cut open oh that was crazy insane they didn't stop the fight and a point tough though so tough yeah but so here's the Roger warer one so Roger hurt and Roger shouldn't have been fighting at 170 anyway and watch this oh no boom Oh yeah I mean that one I have seen this y BR that can [ __ ] kill you D that one can kill

you I mean that dude had everything in that kick he even held it for a little bit like line it up just really line It Up full [ __ ] goal oo that's a rough one that is bad that is bad that's a rough one but that's a real technique legal yeah I mean you can do it in real life yes that's the point it's the sport of fighting and if it's a sport of fighting and you can't upkick a guy when you're in your guard cuz his knees on the ground that's ridiculous yeah even

the one you you actually was it maybe you at the sphere you mentioned it with the morab fight they stood them up somewhere at the end and I was thinking like yeah why they stand them up made no sense yeah you know is that it was I think so I think herb was alluding to they want more action uh I don't know if he's getting pressure from someone to have more action but one of the things that herb said was if someone wants it I think he was alluding to like some specific officials and Executives

whoever he's like if they want it to look different I wish they would tell me because like this is Herb saying this to you no no no not to me he said it in an interview when he was being criticized for trying to get people to work and trying to stand people up so let me get this straight he's saying maybe some officials or someone would be alluding he's alluding to the fact that they want it to look a specific way ah I think pick up what you're putting down you see if you could find

his statement on it because it was interesting the way he phrased it the way he phrased it like cry yes okay you know he's trying not to put someone under the bus but he's saying like look maybe someone saying to him that exactly and I think they are because he's he's always like let's work let's work sometimes when it doesn't even make any sense like they're working like I know I saw I remember and I was like yeah he he's on top he just got him down he's actually trying to you know beat him up

yeah you know Sean was defending well but still saying ah true that' be interesting though that would that's that's when I say interesting that's like shady mhm yeah it's Shady Shady but it's what we were talking about at lunch today too is that there's certain Fighters they want to win because those Fighters are more exciting and I a purist I feel like there should be no standups unless there's a violation unless someone does something illegal there should be no stand-ups I think if if a guy can take you down like Mor Rob does and just

beat you up and you can't do [ __ ] and even if the audience is booing that's the fight Sean wants to get up he's got to get up I don't think it should be you can just hold them on and you're full guard and the referee just stands you up cuz that's such an advantage for the striker big time standing up again and you already have the advantage of every round start standing up yeah and then you work so hard to get something to the ground and they go okay stand up yeah I'm trying

to think have I ever been in the position that they made me stand up n not on top uh but even on the bottom I always get up I find way that's that's the ego thing because again look I had to kill that to to really be great at this game CU I knew for a fact I couldn't beat some nerds in pajamas so that was that was for me my okay humble yourself and learn how to Grapple and then I sucked that first and I got better I never have shown too much of my

grappling skills cuz they never really put me in a position to show as much as I need to so for me I was just like cool I'll just [ __ ] do a Derrick Lewis stand up get up and just beat him up as much as I can but yeah [ __ ] that is that is suspect if someone is I actually want to watch that I'll watch it later on see let's see what the statement is did you find it so far I've only found it like Luke made a video and he said herb

called him after he made the video interesting L Thomas Who's That Again Luke Thomas the journalist okay MMA journalist they spoke for 30 I'm like I'm reading the close captioning because I can't listen to it he said those inst I'll just play this I guess this might be it I don't know if you saw herb oh Luke oh my bad of herb ultimately his op but not limited to those instances where he had called for more work from Mor Rob what I cannot do today is speak on behalf of herb ultimately his opinions and beliefs

are his own and they are his to tell whenever he elects to do so what I can do is speak on behalf of My Views no I'm just find out be what it was that's not it there was there was an article where they had interviewed him statement from him himself yes there a statement from herb himself and he was saying if someone wants the fights to look different I wish they would tell me damn that's suspect yes that's a found it that's a way that the way again that's cryptic cryptic that means they're they're

they're telling you I want more action okay here it goes I've seen on social media people have spoken about me call um calling the fighters for more action uh that's what I've always done I can tell you what I tell Fighters during the the rules briefing I tell them anytime I'm going to interfere or any intervention I'm going to talk to you first like if I'm going to stand you up what I'm going to say first is I'm going to say let's work I usually clap at what I'm expecting uh from him is not busy

if what I'm and what I'm expecting from him is not busy work I specify I'm looking for effort to finish the fight so either you posture to where you could set up fight ending attacks or Advance your position effort to advance because it's not as easy as just passing the guard but effort to pass effort to advance your position effort to bring the fight to Finish that rule was put in place standing Fighters up to make our sport look the way we want it to look but he said something else yeah there was more if

he goes as a referee blah blah blah blah but I mean if that's what he said I I I trust your you know your your recollection of it but that's what he said that's still very suspect and that you don't want to get this this game this is what thing about the UFC is as real as it gets or MMA itself this is what it is but if if you have that happening then that's kind of seem a little bit like you know not to take away like it's the WWE or anything it's not that

but you are influencing the course of a fight where a guy has control and where a fighter and the referee is the guy officiating the fight so if he's word from someone right the way he said that someone that's yeah I think he was saying if someone wants me to if they want the fight to look different I wish they would tell me but that's what I'm saying when he say someone it's like who is he who's that someone I don't think the referee's job is to instruct a fighter to do anything other than follow

the rules and if you can hold a guy down I feel I'm the worst with this cuz I think you should start in the same position you ended the last round cuz I think it's one fight oo I think it's one fight it's not five fights so if a an advantage for the striker is always standing up so if a guy gets you down and has your back and the round ends I think he should have the exact same position in the exact same place on the Octagon floor when the next round starts cuz he

earned that position and you didn't earn the standup so if you're standing up standing up for a guy like you is a giant Advantage yeah I'm like I'm biased I'm going be like n [ __ ] that let's yeah of course well also the audience would be the audience be like shut the [ __ ] upo you know you [ __ ] it does it does make sense like when it comes to Pure fighting cuz even bro even what Pride had 10-minute rounds the first round MH you know that's cool I'm saying look some things

like I'm glad this they taken out the way but again bring back tournaments just for one night let's see who's a real like who's a real badass yeah that would be crazy I've done it kickboxing I've never done it in MMA I've done it in boxing but I'm like bring back a tournament so like let's see who's really who's really about this cuz you have to fight get the adrenal dump then you go back and sit down sit down for ages and then eventually have to warm up again I remembered I've done it a few

times I've won a few of them but it's it's it it shows this yeah like this you know well it's also built-in drama over the evening where people watch a guy fight once and now he's going to fight a second time and that was always wild about the early days of the UFC watching those tournaments and pride as well did that a lot but yeah it' be fun I think even for like uh oh they did it once though Lor did it remember last man standing that was crazy did the UFC did it once with

the flyweight the no flyweight title and I think it was Mighty Mouse and Ian McCall in the in in the final no no I got it wrong they [ __ ] up the decision cuz if it was meant to be a draw and they'd have one more round and Sydney I think yeah and they they were meant to him but then they gave uh they [ __ ] up the decision cuz but that would be crazy though they go okay cool the judges have it this this that it's a draw we're going to one more

round after a crazy fight like that that would have had the whole place just go well that's what Glory does yeah you know one more around and you see look in the guy's face like oh oh [ __ ] yeah I've had that too but that's where this comes in yeah yeah mean you have to just like cool let's go get back in the corner that's is that one of the most difficult things to like change your mindset in midf fight like if something throws you off midf fight ooh did you do you remember with

what I'm bringing up specifically is do you remember Tim Kennedy and yel Romero oh when get up get up yes yeah Ken yes Tim Kennedy had yel Romero fcked up [ __ ] up and then they put yoel on the stool they threw ice on the floor they [ __ ] and he kept sitting on the stool and Big John's telling him to stand up and he's still sitting down and Tim Kennedy's walking around going what the [ __ ] this fight should be stopped fight over yeah the fight should have been stopped but then

yoel got up and then he stopped him afterwards but he had like a good solid 35 5 Seconds extra recovery time which when you're hurt is huge on the Flor as well Tim said it [ __ ] with his head and it was his mental weakness that he didn't he thought he was angry they're robbing me this is [ __ ] I had him I should have won the fight should have been we the the round started the minute was up it should have been I could have got on them and I could have finished

him and so in his head he lost Focus uh it does happen like I said even with me pointing at the ground in that moment any small laps in judgment you you just need 30 minutes or 25 minutes of focus so in that point yeah I can see how that would get to him yeah that would get to him cuz you're like what the [ __ ] they about to screw me out of this one exactly and they did and so then he's got to fight again while he's going [ __ ] this [ __

] already been over so instead of concentrating completely on being in the present in the fight you're think got [ __ ] Anderson versus Bisping when Anderson 3 he1 was on the celebrating and then if I think it was her or whoever be like yo get get down here this and that right which could have been over if Anderson just followed up with one or two more shots that would have been it it's like we were talking about Jaylen Turner and H Maro he drops him has him [ __ ] up and then walks away

like it's a KO I literally went like cuz I was front I went to 300 I'm such a fan I was there from the first fight that's why I like to wear that as a badge H I'm like yeah I was there and I watched that and I was just like why he had eight more seconds he could have just done something and taken him out but n was [ __ ] up too he was hurt bad yeah but and Jaylen can crack he's tough oh he's so big for 55 and so long I think

he's also really talented as well he's fast he's uh smooth like when he fought Dan I you heard that [ __ ] bro that kick when I heard that and Dan grabbed his waist and then Dan had his neck at the end of the round as well I lost my voice in that's the one where Dan broke his arm right yeah just a Scrat figh d a Savage trust me I love watching him come back into the top five now I love love it I love that he did that I love love I love who

he is as a person cuz look Dan he's I see him every day most days and he's a guy that you don't know what to expect like out of nowhere boom he just customized himself with all these tattoos yeah crazy that's badass yeah he just covered himself I think he's in Spain cuz do you know Oscar you know Oscar Willis the um MAIF reporter he's fighting beer knuckle this weekend I believe or maybe next weekend in Spain but Dan's gonna go there and Corner him I'm like [ __ ] bar knuckle boxing or MMA no

boxing I that's not for me I can fight look if I had to get to a fight whatever sure but like for me I'd rather not I'll pass on that but that's the kind of [ __ ] that Dan loves Dan's like yeah let's do that [ __ ] he wants to do that [ __ ] he wants to be like yeah he he just loves fighting midal's got that whole MMA League where it's knuckle MMA which I like cuz it doesn't make sense to me that you don't cover your shins or your knees or

your elbows you do cover your knuckles I just don't like the knuckles cuz you see again moose knuckles still there this can cause more damage like like Cuts yeah oh yeah oh yeah slices you open exactly guys get sliced up so if I if gloves like I guess they protect they're really like I don't the new gloves as well I think I've only fought once in the new gloves now I might give it a maybe one or two more but I'm like the old gloves just they didn't really protect the wraps protect your hands but

the old gloves they felt like rubber like tire rubber and I think they were just dangerous like dangerous to hit with if you hit someone with those it's like bang these new gloves they feel like a little bit of um a memory foam little softer softer and I don't know about this whole curve thing they don't really curve I can still do that and then I try not to do that I'm not you know whatever but still this uh I I'll wait and see see bro listen man the best gloves for sure are Trevor Whitman's

the best gloves he made the best gloves they're the best MMA gloves of all time I've got see if you can pulled them up the Onyx is that the honest one yeah I've got the big ones but I've never ever the best MMA gloves they curve so it's curved so your hand is in this position so if you want to do this you have to open them up but it's still you could do that for grappling it's all the same but they're in a curved position and I think that would avoid so many eye pokes

so many inj so many you haven't really been eye poked too many times no only time was in training really bad one was in training but n not not in a fight nah avoid that as much as I can I have another thought on that tell me what you think of this I feel like they should cover the fingers I feel like why are with like a m that goes over the top with like a round like those little bad glove Ms like that's Trevor Whitman's okay that's the onx gloves those those are the best

gloves Trevor Whitman's a [ __ ] genius man he makes Incredible gear has he ever brought this idea to the they were in negotiation but I think Trevor went crazy he wanted like some ungodly amount of money he wanted something according to Dana at least that's his version hav yeah yeah but he but regardless of all that he makes the best gloves they're the best MMA gloves of all time by Bar Bar None the best the big ones I'll I'll hit them up see if I can get those ones just to try them out it's

also the best foam like he uses the most high-tech foam it's the most expensive foam like every and he makes them all by hand like Trevor stitches I've seen I've seen him Stitch he's he's passionate about it but um yeah these new ones um so far at fighting with them I still prefer the the old ones you think they're more damaging yeah yeah they are like I get it I I don't like to get hit so maybe that's why I'm biased with it but when I hit someone with those I feel it causes more damage

and I I mean I can cause damage I cause some damage on DDP with those ones but I still want to try them maybe one more time just to feel feel them but yeah they felt different yeah felt different you can I can definitely tell even the wraps when I put when I was uh squeezing my wraps into them I was okay just took a while but it still got in but I'm like all right cool grab I like to test the grip strength to make sure I can hold someone but yeah uh we'll see

I don't know why the fingers have to be exposed cuz you never do this there's no reason there's never no reason to have the fingers ever in this position every time you grip you're gripping like this like that yeah or you're gripping like this also it would prevent joint manipulation yeah small joint manipulation if you had like it's almost like a webbing yeah that just covers that why can't you just have a thin piece of leather that goes over the fingers and then something that's curved around the top like you said like those bag mitts

with the thumb out yes so it even if you do get poked in the eye you're getting poked by a large thing and instead of a finger it goes all the way into your and finger nails you know so the nails would be covered which even if you trim your [ __ ] Nails that's still a hard surface that can scratch the [ __ ] out of your cornea then you got toes I've seen people get kicked in the ey even in training it infected the eye as well oh yeah man yeah I've seen that

nails but n i mean that makes sense I mean uh it just I think people are scared of change even with these new gloves it's I think it's maybe that's why I'm trying to be like let me give it one more shot I'm not I'm not going to say I'm against them mhm I just feel the other gloves were just they had that thing on M Winkle John you know he lost an eye oh that's why he wears the shades exactly from holding pads from somebody so he was holding pths and someone missed and caught

his eye with their toenail I'd do that too if if that happened to me PTSD yeah [ __ ] man I think like everybody should wear goggles if you're holding Ms just the possibility just did we know that it happened to one of the top trainers in the sport yeah and it's not just a freak accident cuz even just grappling I try to keep my nails like trim just cuz I don't want to I've done it before by accident on someone and I've caused I think I call aai and then they did something and then

yeah and I got not on me on them and it's happened to me as well but I felt bad when I did on another person I had their skin in my nails and I was like yeah my bad so again yeah cut your nails but still that's not a bad idea I would [ __ ] with that I feel like it wouldn't affect the grappling at all yeah uh and it definitely would help eye pokes which are the biggest problem eye Poes are a giant problem man so many guys have gotten eye surgery now I

mean bal's had three eye surgeries and remember when he got poked real B the Leon one yeah that's right yeah [ __ ] yeah I can imagine yeah you can make you can change the culture I feel like it should be done and because I don't think it's bad I don't I I don't see any negative to cover in the fingers and I see only positives yeah and I don't think it would do it's just real simple piece of leather here cover over thep measure the Fighter's hands you know CU some guys have very long

fingers some guys have short fingers measure the Fighter's hands build a custom glove that's not hard to do same thing like having glove size I'm sure someone will make it now or someone's made that before I don't think so yeah I don't know if anybody that's made that but that's that should be the way they do it because that would eliminate a enormous number of that's a moneymaking scheme right now if someone decides to make that and then put it out there as a prototype be like look this actually works train with them and then

they go I'm patenting that boom well the UFC doesn't listen to me me because cuz I have all kinds of crazy ideas I'm like get rid of weight cutting add more weight classes change no stand ups yeah fair enough because also like I'm not interested in making the fight more exciting I'm making I want I'm interested in what's the best what what actually works I'm a purist I want to see what what is the actual eff of technique like there's some sometimes like when you see in Jiu-Jitsu tournaments where guys are doing stuff they like

they're in a 50-50 position I'm like this guy could punch you in the face kick you in the face so easy this is not a good self-defense position and you see it in MMA where guys are accustomed to doing that and they're they're they're literally face down holding on to an ankle and the dude just boom boom one of my boys uh Nate uh Nate law he just fought in uh his I think third Pro fight the guy had a leg lock and Nate posted the this quote from chill son after the fight about if

a guy is holding on to your leg just post her up and punch him in the face and that's what Nate did and won the fight so yeah I mean the whole leg Lo game I I know I know some stuff with exard and what not but I don't really [ __ ] with it too much cuz I get scared cuz the Comm when I hold on to someone's leg Yeah and then you're just exposed unless I'm like a Craig Jones type who I just know as a wizard yeah the thing about leg lock is

you have so little time to react if you don't tap if you there's such a brief especially like an inside heel hook there's such a brief amount of time you have before your [ __ ] is just blown Smither this is fine this is fine this is fine B and it's gone yeah rips apart and then you're [ __ ] for 9 months give me if I'm Runing with people if I don't trust that person or if I just feel like I'll just go yeah cool tap cuz ego's not worth it I don't try to

hold on to [ __ ] like that especially like locks do you have a hard time like that with like people trying to get a name for themselves training with you yeah yeah so that's for me look it's not even if I go to a new gym I pick and choose who I go with and it's not like a ego thing cuz I don't want to get my ass whoop it's just like I don't know you will enough that and sometimes you see people they they they salivate like oh this is my chance this is

why I got my shot now even now sometimes in in grappling with some people in the Jiu-Jitsu class they'll just lower belts they'll be like can I I'm like I'm good thank you you know what I don't like when I see a dude sitting out around and waiting while you're exhausted and then they go do you want to go like [ __ ] I watched you I'll call him out I watched you just sit down for 10 [ __ ] minutes oh you'd get that as well too why didn't you just jump in why weren't

you just rolling right now you want to roll fresh yeah is that what this is and you like call him out on you see the look of the like man I just go n good thank you and I'll get someone that I actually trust cuz yeah it's not it's just I I I know the feeling as well cuz I'm sure someone will tap me or do something or I'll just let go and then it's like that I know when it's real and it's generally like good job and I know the one when it's like they

like yeah I'm going to tell everyone about this can't wait to get online I'm like here we go but again that's the thing I want to talk about ego and I had to kill that before I started training grappling cuz it was just I sucked know like no I get Taps one thing I definitely will get is a submission in the UFC before I'm done I will I will choke someone out like a guillotine or a red nak I like Guillotines but I've uh it's learning how to find the sweet spot for me The Sweet

Spot when I get it and when I get it it's nice even a bulldog truck I get really good at those some I can find the spot and I just cuz I got the frame for it the best person at our gym Dan hangman that's his [ __ ] he grabs your neck you're going like like yeah find a way out you can't cool tap but yeah I like using Guillotines though especially on on wrestlers cuz yeah it just lets them know okay this is always a threat this is always a threat but again it's

something I've been working on but eventually before I retire you'll definitely see me get a submission well it's interesting because you're a specialist you know you're one of those guys that like you didn't come in with a full MMA experience you didn't start as an amateur MMA fighter you were a kickboxer and so you I remember when you and I first started talking online I reached out to you on Instagram and you were like I'm going to wait a little while I'm going to just do this right which is I thought was very intelligent because

you could have just jumped in like many guys do then they get UFC throws you in with a wrestler you get exposed and now you're so far behind the curve it takes a long time to build up your confidence and your momentum again because you got smothered in your first fight yeah that was 2015 I believe I haven't sent a DM to Dana saying just give me one shot just get me to the cage I'll do the rest and look I I would have but I'm glad I took my time and it was it was

good for me just to fight different people from Ukraine China uh what else Brazil all different types of places and then experien different styles and that way I felt confident enough when I got to the UFC my first fight shout out Rob Wilkinson good guy good friend of mine now and yeah he tried to take me down constantly and I was able to withstand that because of the work we did and Andre Andre poet my wrestling coach a lot of drills just drills wall work constantly uh what year did you start that what year did

you start grappling training I started in 2010 but I was meant to go into MMA straight away but there was just so many kickboxing fights and I kept on getting kickboxing fights that it was just to also I like fighting kickboxing so I was just like I'll just take this fight take this fight but I was always grappling on the side like low-key grappling on the side and eventually I think uh I can't remember my what year my first UFC uh MMA fight was was uh would have been 2014 maybe or 13 and then I

started taking it more seriously like I'm a purple belt now but I'm like I'm a purple belt I know I'm dangerous but it's like n I'm not like a there's levels there's levels to belts you know there's some purple belts blue belts who can kick my ass you know but yeah uh I do enjoy it though I love grappling I like I feel like a ninja cat when I'm grappling and I'm on I'm on that flow State I just feel like I just it's it's fun to play with but then again I've only ever shown

cases of brief like again uh who's one not just the Pereira fight Madison Square Garden uh Gastelum I had a triangle on them uh tarz I had a guillotine at the end of the round some other ones with the kamimura traps but yeah uh just no one's really put me in that position to make me have to like really use my offensive grappling but again when I get taken to the ground I'm just like [ __ ] I'm just going to stand up if kickboxing was as big as MMA do you think you have ever

done MMA that's a good question [ __ ] if okay MoneyWise probably ego cuz I just knew a [ __ ] nerd in pajamas could kick my ass I just I can't have that bro honestly it's just I I just know like some dude can beat me and he doesn't have to even throw a punch in the back of my mind it's still that's why sometimes when all these you know boxes you know like like back in the day when it was USC versus boxing or whatever I was like well this is a this is

real fighting like you want to see who the baddest person on the planet is fight right no one's telling you you can't use your weapons but you want to take away all my weapons and that's why I don't think I'll ever box again cuz I just think it's too limiting even kickboxing I feel like it it'd be really hard for me too because it's too limiting I do like aspects of grappling that I can use in a fight but yeah uh nah I like I like full-fledged fighting I think it's it's a healthy ego I

just knew I have to really humble myself so I can learn how to fight these guys at their own game so yeah that's why I like how One FC has everything they have grappling matches they have kickboxing matches they have Muay Thai matches and they have MMA matches I think that is the way to go and I really wish the UFC I know they're invested in this slap fighting [ __ ] but instead of that like fighting have a kickboxing League have a and I think they're they don't think that people would get into kick

boing I think they're wrong yeah they just did the one in Denver for 1 FC recently went well and the fights are crazy yes a lot of knockdowns lot of actionpack stuff but if it was just marketed the right way you know with the UFC's marketing machine easily e be one of the biggest because everybody loves Kos everybody loves standup fights and you're going slap fighting there's a lot of Kos there but you're going to get you're going to get real Kos because kids they can't grow no one can grapple you can't grapple so you're

going to get people that are forced to stand up and you could then attract the greatest Strikers in the world like onefc is doing they're getting all these tie Killers you know these Rob tanks all these like Elite Tie fighters and they're all coming over and they're fighting in the cage now and I feel like there's an opportunity for that for a kickboxing league in America that would be hugely successful if like the UFC machine got behind it you know John way P thought of that I think he did if I'm thinking about it yeah

cuz I watched gloves I watched both fights with Brad Rell I think or the first no the first one with Brad Rell that the second one sorry that was the one I watched had cage fighting great fight crazy fight even though John lost he just showed me who he is but yeah I think he did start cage Muay Thai yes that was his thing I think it was his thing he should have [ __ ] trademarked that [ __ ] well Muay Thai with little gloves is different too right cuz you know there's blocks you

can't use there's just shielding like the Dutch style I remember with the big gloves I always talked about it as well I always felt my striking was better for MMA I always felt it was better for MMA cuz I was like nah if you can just do this that's yeah you just block whatever hit it's just who's tough who's tougher but with the small gloves you can get around the guard the hand traps are different so I always just felt like yeah my striking would Excel better in MMA I wasn't as not I'm tough but

I wasn't as just like tough for no reason yeah thank you like I I like to use my brain you know what I mean so I was just tough for no reason like Bo boom boom okay hit you hit me hit me hit you hit you yeah that's not my style I always felt I was slicker the way I moved the way I set traps and that's why I like them and may striking better it's kind of crazy about the Dutch right like what is it about them that makes their style so Savage because if

you go back and you like watch like Ramon Deckers or Rob Cayman oresto oh my god there culture is that yeah I think it's the culture of the stock cuz you I've seen some of the gym spars that's how they I heard it's insane over there was talking about it K was telling when he went train over there years back and he's like I don't can't [ __ ] do this like these guys are going hard every day for zero dollars yeah zero dollars like what do you get paid in glory what do the best

fighters get paid in glory like what like uh I wasn't getting paid that much what does Rico verhoven get paid to defend his heavyweight title I think he probably gets more than most he's still in gloryia right y okay yeah yeah I kind of fell off them after they robbed me off the [ __ ] belt I was just like yeah whatever I don't care about the Jason willness fight yeah that I kind I thought you w that fight too yeah I know it's one of those things look I'm glad things happen the way they

have in my career cuz it always gives me an opportunity to come back or rise again and showcase my spirit my fighting Spirit not just in the cage but as a human being mhm so all the things that have happened to me in my in my in my career when it comes to losses or setbacks I just go cool let's see what I can do next right yeah like even look the DDP fight Strickland fight what's another one well Pereira I got that back Yan one I feel like that was a side quest I'm just

kind of like man that's cool but and I I never hold on to them I never hold on like I need to get this it's like nah this is fine if it like the Alex one I was cool if that never happened but then he decided to chase me and I was like cool let's do it the Yan thing is a crazy situation right because Yan goes to a split decision with Pereira it's a great fight it's a tough fight he has that crazy fight with uh analiia it goes to a draw yeah and then

no one's talking about him everyone's talking about contenders in the light heavyweight division like what about yam bovich like get him in now before he's too [ __ ] old I think he's already in his 40s early 40s but I think he won the title that old like was he like 39 or 40 when he won the title he was trying to think he I just feel like he's being disrespected like he's he's just not getting the attention like if you look at his performances the guy's not had a bad performance like there's not one

fight that was boring there's not fight where he wasn't trying to win he's not a wrestler he's fighting to contenders he's fighting to yeah he's a [ __ ] an animal and he's out of the conversation like they're talking about an kalv fighting you know like oh Alex is avoiding anv so he takes khil anv and Yan bovich went to a [ __ ] draw like what about that like what about him yeah maybe because he doesn't make as much noise because I don't really see him on there as much anymore what does it say

uh okay oh we supposed to fight uh Rock but he got a shoulder injury okay he's hurt right now oh shoulder surgery so that but that was January so that was 10 months ago maybe he's not back yet yeah must be well that's about the amount of time especially when you're dealing with shoulder injuries man those [ __ ] things take forever yeah n go see [ __ ] what's his name Briggs but yeah I'm glad I got some today though thank you for that I actually feel better yeah not from the stem cells I

likeed it from the this the the drip I got earlier but yeah the stem cells the ones I had in my uh my ankle yeah they worked when I went to Mexico works it's a GameChanger it's a game changer and we're getting [ __ ] here in America where it's very difficult to get the same kind of treatment that you can get in Mexico and then Panama what they can do here is much more limited hopefully in the future they'll release those limitations but in America you're dealing with a lot of corruption because orthoped surgeons

pharmaceutical drug companies they don't they're going to lose a lot of money if they have stem cell treatments because there's so many different things that it could fix even Briggs was just talking about what he said on here just going at them and that went viral which is good I just told him bro put out a tweet and say I will never ever kill myself ever I think that's a smart thing to do just put that tweet cuz when you stop [ __ ] with those guys pharmaceutical companies they'll find anything yeah you get crash

whoopsie oh how did that happen yeah [ __ ] there was one was was the one for me I put that tweet out one time cuz I kind of go to paranoid [ __ ] that so I I did this interview with Oscar Willis right and I started talking about the whole this is when Epstein just got arrested and I was saying like well Epstein just got arrested right and then Oscar goes yeah it's funny how the Johnny Depp and Amber Heard uh case is getting more attention than that and I'm like crazy isn't it

so this Epstein guy just uh sold kids or whatever traffic them to these rich oligarchs and whatnot I was like what happened to them what happens to those people where's the list yeah and then I I didn't think anything of it but then it went viral and then every year since it goes viral at least twice or three times I'll see it to circulate again and I'm just like oh [ __ ] so then I went on Twitter and I said I will and I said again look where it I will never ever kill myself

I've never even come close I mean we all think about it sometimes like when I was working this job you just have like a passing fleeting thought like oh if I just jump over this bridge and hurt my leg I don't have to work for the next 6 months cuz I hated my last job but I would never ever ever ever kill myself I'm not that I'm not built that way and I've been there before when I think 2013 I realized is this how people feel before they kill themselves like the how sad they were

and I was like man that's sad that just made me feel sad for those who actually go through with it yeah but yeah anyway I would never kill myself just in case well there's enough people commenting on the epe case that I don't think you have to worry but the people that are in the position to actually know the people's names on the list those people are probably in trouble yeah cuz that's a crazy piece of information to have and the fact is that look no one's been tried no one's been brought no one's been

discussed we know who went there we know flight logs no one talks about anything there's no effort to prosecute there's no effort to and then you have glain Maxwell who's in jail for sex trafficking to who to who you have to have you have to have done it to someone but there's no effort at all to uncover that yeah but I'm saying now this year it's kind of crazy how this year started off with what's his name Cat Williams on Shon sharp he starts talking spilling the tea sipping the cognac yeah and then now this

whole P Diddy thing sometimes you have to tell Diddy no oh man bro yeah it's crazy oh man Sean Diddy's alleged list of accomplishes to be revealed soon the names will shock you attorney says whoa I think he's going to sing a I think I think he has to sing or he go God protects me I'm so glad God protects me cuz look if I got invited to the white party I'd have gone especially if you didn't know of course no one know no one knew you don't know you're just a celebrity and you know

oh Jennifer Lopez is going to be there oh Ross is going to be there everyone's going to be there that would be a cool place I want to meet those people facts and I just want to be there having fun partying but then they start to apparently they said they were using I'm going to guess it's like ketamine cuz they said horse tranquilizer and putting in people's drinks in the champagne and then getting them all loose I I tell you a secret it's just us two right yeah after I knocked out Perera in Miami we

went to toties the next night and they were like yo P Diddy wasn't here watching your fight last night I was like wait word crazy and I went I check my DMs and I saw oh [ __ ] he hit me up and he was talking about two months they wanted to do an interview or whatever and I said here has my manager's number poop cool nothing ever came off it but again that's why I said God be protecting me cuz who knows like you never know oh yeah we're having this party later on yeah

that's cool all cool cool and then they start to like you know you find some chick you pull on you and then boom oh how was that 15year old like wait what right and you're filmed yeah I heard about that yeah apparent allegedly cameras all over the house and 100, bottles of baby oil yeah what nobody's that ashy bro a thousand boy also by the way that [ __ ] Lube coconut oil is better [ __ ] water-based lubricant but baby oil is acidic as [ __ ] Johnson and Johnson's like that's demonic bro like

why would you use baby oil even if you're [ __ ] dudes n you probably started out with it that's all the bottles n that's that's AI that's got to be that's got to be AI I don't know if it's AI I think that's real I think it was lube and baby oil I think you had a variety of different substances who counted that was a thousand look at that 1 two three of baby oil of baby oil on the wall imagine having 500 bottles and go we need to go for a [ __ ]

Target run n man oh the fact they said it was [ __ ] what you call it Costco and Costco goes no we don't sell that [ __ ] what is this defaced AR-15s interesting what does that mean does that mean so they scratch the scratch the serial numb yeah whoa that's a serious crime that's a serious crime but again see he's in cahoots with uh Epstein and then Is He In Cahoots with was he in cahoots with EP or was it just a similar type of an operation he he they were friends really yeah

cuz EP had a [ __ ] no uh on Miami as well that really private Rich uh estate in Miami so they were all in cahoots as well but again I think he's going to sing isn't it crazy like that was always the conspiracy theory tin foil hat thing oh there's a place where the elites go to [ __ ] underage kids you're like what what's his name Alex Jones Alex Jones he was right he was right he was right about a lot of things everything about almost [ __ ] up that one but almost

everything else he was right but you got to realized that that guy had been in uncovering real conspiracies that the media had not covered for [ __ ] decades and he was literally having like a psychotic break because of it because he's just drinking all the time and dealing with the stress how would you even Kanye imagine you trying to tell people something right and then no one believes you and they call you crazy I go crazy just trying to explain to people even I can imagine the frustration the frustration of trying to explain to

someone and you're like no this is really happening this and they're like yeah whatever you're this and that and I went down the rabbit hole in 2020 I'll tell you I did I had to and for me it was just like I could see the [ __ ] I could look this is the mark of the Immigrant it's right here if you look at any immigrant it's just like that little dot it's uh keloid it's from a vac we all had as as kids all over Africa I can't remember what it was for so I'm

not opposed to vaccines but when someone's trying to force you or co co coer coer you or whatever into taking something that you're like you know something just doesn't feel right about it you know what I mean yeah but again I grew up in Nigeria I know how corruption works right so I mean I'm a lawyer Biden citizen you know what I'm saying I I did my part I yeah whatever but still I just knew something was a foot so I yeah I did my part I played the game cuz it's all a game I

got offered different ways to to play the game but I was like H I'll find my own way and I did so yeah stay pure which is good yeah this whole thing was just money it was just they were trying to convince everybody they needed a vaccine because they wanted to make enormous amounts of money and they pulled it off and then now with all the information that's come out all the deaths I've I saw that uh show di suddenly or whatever and you see the blood clots from the same time that the vaccines got

pushed excuse me and then everyone just goes ah oh well car want my it's like again I'm frustrated in a sense but I don't say cuz like we [ __ ] told you yes but then you I don't need an apology no one needs an apology but it's kind of like everyone just oh well I guess that's that and then carry on with their [ __ ] life I was talking to a dude last night who's a veteran who was telling me that the hospital where these veterans get treated they they literally told him we

are not allowed to make a connection with any of these adverse side effects to the vaccine even ones that are listed as vaccine side effects they're not allowed to make that connection because they mandated the vaccine yeah and this is the real problem the reason why all these corporations and all these people don't want to talk about it is because they mandated their employees to get vaccinated so they even though there's no liability for the vaccine manufacturers because they're exempt which is part of the problem why they [ __ ] propose all these things anyway

but then you're not allowed to make the connection with the problem these people are having and the fact that they got vaccinated two three times you're not even allowed to say that this might have been the cause of it they're not even allowed to bring up that connection so they have to just treat whatever the side effect of the vaccine is without talking at all about the vaccine and not give any connection to it isn't that funny it's through the glass yeah uh it's like we're living in The Matrix Man it really is it's like

there's complete mind control and the idea of Mind Control is like no mind control is not real of course it's real it happens I've seen it I so many Bots bro like sometimes I move through life and I feel like look we are all born like as players in this game but everyone gets kind of programmed through so you know schooling or whatever education system society and then they just become Bots and I can see it as well I can because when I was bringing it up and IID say something people I really love and

Trust sometimes and they they instantly what they call it what uh agent Smith syndrome and they deci no actually this and that right or right or right I might but you know why that is because they got vaccinated and they people to get vaccinated and they don't want to believe they made the bad decision and they don't want to believe they coerced other people into making a bad decision so they want to come up with all sorts of reasons why all these health problems and all these and then the the overall Al all cause mortality

increase which is through the roof in some age brackets it's 40% increase in all cause mortality Strokes cancer heart attacks all these things have gone through the roof and no one is making a connection must be just you know the food people are eating people just ignore it it's just money even some people like that did get it they tell me they regret getting it yeah most many times I regret getting it but I had to cuz if not my job was going to fire me then I had to and the the [ __ ]

gaslighting thing our former [ __ ] prime minister she didn't oh I don't believe we I don't believe we coerced anyone into getting it I don't and I you just I'm like [ __ ] you literally said if you can't if you don't get this you can't go grocery shopping yeah can't go to restaurants you can't do that can't work so your livelihood gone but then we didn't I don't think we forced anyone we didn't force your hand like when people do that's the ultimate form of gaslighting you're just like in our face the pressure

was was incredible the pressure was incredible and you know I felt it in the weirdest way because I saw people lying about me on CNN I was like this is crazy or the horse tranquilizer thing they they CH yeah they was was horse dewormer they they changed the color of my face they made me look yellow and sick on television I'm like if you do that to me and by the way no one gave a [ __ ] that I got better real quick that was the craziest part about it isn't this supposed to be

about recovering from a disease here you got a guy who's recovered in three days and is telling you all the [ __ ] he took and you're lying still try to like superimpose that sepia kind of filter the the one that got me so cuz we still traveled during 2020 I did four of those miq quarantines the one where you go back to your own country and then you have to quarantine in a hotel for two weeks before you get LED back into society my coach e did nine a lot of those he even told

me Israel that last one luckily the last one he he was able to do it in his house but then his family had to go live somewhere else for 2 weeks he was just grateful he had it in his house my last one I I remember I went outside for our [ __ ] daily outside for what 40 minutes or whatever sometimes we get shipped onto the play pen on a bus like prisoners or whatever and then I remember everyone was doing these circles just walking in a circle and I almost did a full circle

one time and I was like what the [ __ ] am I doing and then I went back back into my room and I stayed in my room for the remaining uh 11 days cuz I just felt like this was too much and then also the one that got me was third one this lady had a a kid in uh she maybe paraplegic or whatever she had a a neurological disease and then the the kid had a seizure while the the mom was having a smoke somewhere the kid had a seizure and one of the

guys went and helped the mom with the kid and the officer that helped the mom with the kid they put him in quarantine for 3 days because he didn't have the correct PPE gear on so that let me know this isn't about looking after people it's about punishing this guy for disobeying the law cuz he didn't have the so wait oh someone's having a seizure hold up Miss let me go put on this [ __ ] overall and tape my gloves on on this while this kid's dying exactly so and they put him they punished

him for that so that let me know like okay this is [ __ ] this is a foot well I remember when Dan hooker had fought over here and then he had there was a picture of him being on the side of a fence looking at his daughter it was heartbreaking he couldn't couldn't see his daughter for like two weeks Eugene had the same thing he had a newborn at the time so I have a picture of him with his wife and his son on the other side as well and then you're just separating families

all that kind of stuff look I I like my alone time I love I might seem like a social butterfly and I am I can do both but I love my alone time and I like being inside but when you have too much Shone time that's bad mhm I didn't like that cuz then you start to go in your head with all these other things I mean I didn't go crazy but there was I was I was dancing on the edge well that was a lot of things ened people on Twitter lost their [ __

] mind because they were on Twitter all day long locked in their house during quarantine for you know months and months at a time just literally getting mentally ill just reading Twitter and attacking people and and then blaming all these people that are unvaccinated on all the problems of the world they just put us against each other yeah constantly yeah I just hope people don't do that again I hope people realize like hey that was no one benefited from that no one got better no it didn't help anybody survive it was all [ __ ]

I hope there's another lockdown really yeah just for like a month I think okay look every year at least for two weeks or even some places maybe a month just all right shut everything down everyone go it was good like you get to spend time with your family or the people you live with and realize do I [ __ ] with these people or do I not and then also build like build relationships and relationships things like that the whole world got better the [ __ ] ocean got cleaner so I think it's good lockdown

was good for that when when it was okay but not for extended periods like six months or whatever crazy it's terrible for the economy even a lockdown for a month is terrible for the economy it takes a long time to recover true when everything seizes and you're not getting any packages in like right now there's a teamsters and long shoreman strike in America which which means all the docks all the shipments coming in no one's no one's moving nothing everything's Lo Amazon just for two weeks no no no eventually that's all going to lock down

eventually there's going to be nothing if these guys keep going it's going to [ __ ] the economy I don't right now it's only been a couple of days but the the head of the uh long shans Union was talking about what effect it's going to have and he he basically say I they doing because they want more money okay they they feel like they have a more valuable position than they're being compensated for and this is the best way they can negotiate like you guys need to understand how valuable we are to your Society

you take us for granted you don't want to give us what's fair and so we're going to [ __ ] you true and they haven't had a lockdown like that since 1977 apparently damn it's a real one it's a real one it's a scary one too because uh it they have an immense power and they haven't flexed it before and they're flexing it now and they're flexing it like right before an election which is said who knows what kind of effect that's going to have cuz if the economy tanks because of that and they can

blame Biden and KLA Harris you know it could it could get crazy yeah we'll see when that start like a week ago two weeks ago days ago oh really I think it was October 1st [ __ ] yeah interesting I always like it when look I love America but I like watching it from New Zealand I love like when I come me I love the food like the [ __ ] you know Shake Shack all just delicious H like last night took so long for this burger or something Austin to get get to our hotel

but then when it got there we just smash like all these Smash Burgers I ate three of them so good and I go back home and I eat clean I get my buddy right again but here I love it even um when Trump won I was stuck here for in San Diego for about eight weeks that's when I went to AOS Jiu-Jitsu and I got really really good at Jiu-Jitsu for a while um me and my teammates we just thought like when Trump wins we need to have food for 4 days cuz it's going to

be [ __ ] crazy they cuz from where we are in New Zealand the camera only shows you this so Trump wins we're looking outside like okay safe cool everyone's and nothing's really happening you see you know Trump flags on someone's lawn Biden whatever on someone's lawn still it's fine but then someone explained to me that even the the capitol riots when and DC they face the cameras this way if you just turn the cameras this way you'll see the rest of the street just normal M so from New Zealand when we see what's happening

here it's just the biggest craziest sitcom and again like I said I love America but I like watching it from New Zealand but I do enjoy being here but again watching it from New Zealand we have our own chaos to deal with but this one is just juicy it's a different kind of chaos The Whole World's watching that's what's different because America such a weird country that the whole world is watching when we have elections even look Trump just got almost assassinated twice twice twice what there was a second assassination attempt yeah there was a

guy who got caught with an AK-47 he was hiding in the bushes for 12 hours got into a shootout with the Secret Service I missed all this yeah because they took it in and out of the news in like a heartbeat he there was a shootout no the the the Secret Service shot at him he fled I don't think he shot at the Secret Service he fled and then they caught him was this before or after the one after okay I see so this is a guy who's a real lunatic he went over Ukraine to

fight for the Ukraine forces it's a crazy person okay and uh this guy was somehow or another armed to the tits even though it's illegal for him to be carrying a gun he's a convicted felon and he uh almost assassinated Trump and it was out of the news cycle in a couple of days I missed that completely I didn't even know about that this is news to BR they gloss over it they don't give a [ __ ] but again how do you gloss over that the one with the when he got shot and he

just turned his ear crazy there's so many things [ __ ] up with that you know why I mean I'm sure you've already talked about this other people but it's just the fact that it's just they apparently saw him on the roof for what 9 minutes or something beforehand and just watch them my so many things I just everything's wrong with that one everything's wrong it wasn't really Secret Service a lot of those are Homeland Security the the lady with the gun that she kep fumbling with the gun full Panic yeah the whole thing was

Madness and the fact that that went out of the news cycle real quickly too nobody cares about the fact they almost killed that guy now it's about the debate it's about the debate and they went right back to calling them a threat to democracy a threat to our society and like hey who is that kid how did he die what what what happened there how did he get a hold of those detonators how did his apartment get completely professionally scrubbed when they went to that kid's house there was no silverware his house was professionally scrubbed

and he lived by himself isn't he a teenager 20 years old oh okay meanwhile he was in a Black Rock commercial Black Rock the company yeah he was in a Black Rock commercial okay and then yeah dude there's so much to that story and here's the thing if he kills Trump and then they kill him who knows it's all lost it's all in the wind oh lone shooter crazy person unfortunately got a hold of trump you know what we need to do take everyone's guns cuz gun violence is a real problem in this country you

know it's also a problem mind control like what did you do to that kid what the drugs was he on no toxicology examination they burned his body in 10 days FBI took a hold of his body bury him no they [ __ ] cremated his ass F see this is what I like I just get the popcorn I just go yo it's nuts it's a c cuz he would have been Lee Harvey Oswald too I mean just like re Lee Harvey Oswald allegedly shoots JFK Jack Ruby walks up to him bam shoots him he's dead

what happened who knows that's the whole magic bullet theory again I've gone down the rabbit hole to a point where I saw that it might have been the driver nah no n okay n so M yeah that that's B [ __ ] multiple shooters for sure most likely people in the grassy null and most likely probably somebody from where Oswald was as well it might even been Oswald Oswald might have taken a shot as well [ __ ] I saw this video see this the thing you can't trust [ __ ] these days no bro

I swear next year I think next year it'll be when it's like you have to really know what you're watching I'll have to question everything cuz now it's fingers text I can kind of oh that's a [ __ ] and also there's a little texture there's a texture with the AI videos and I'm like that's AI for now yeah get better and better yo I got a piss let's take a leak real quick come right back I'll take a piss talking about my documentary it's uh great so we're talking what we talking about before Oh

we just went on a tangent about [ __ ] Chemtrails and [ __ ] no but I was just telling Jamie about my documentary I said like he should watch it as well I said even if it wasn't about me I'd still recommend it cuz it was a well-made not so sporty sporty films like one of the best pictures I got sent was this lady knitting on a plane and then watching it and I thought that it's like a old lady not her demographic watching him man she's watching me through the documentary knitting because it

was something that it was different when did they start filming this uh they came on board 2 200 18 we started talking um and then they came on board with their cameras but Jeff St L who is uh my videographer works for Zuck now literally does everything but yeah he had had a lot of behind the scenes footage and we just put it all together talking about my kind of rise in this game but also dealing with the I guess the pressures of all this you know cuz no one there's no book on how to

be famous right I had to learn this on my own I had to learn this myself what was the most difficult part of it for you for me I think people I just didn't expect that I knew I I wanted to be when you grow up you think I want to be rich and famous like when you know the MTV Cribs era right the Pimp My Ride era I thought yo when I'm rich I'm going to have seven CS one for every day other the week I'm going to have this many houses have real estate

now differently but also I only need two cars like there's all these other stuff that comes through also I'm not a cop person like you I just like Hot Wheels but but I can buy McLaren though yeah that's what I'm saying the my best reaction when I wrapped it was I love seeing little boys be like when they see it yeah but now I put it back to black and I'm going to do something different to it later on with some airbrushing not me my guy Maddy bro but yeah um oh was just people there's

even a bit in this documentary where um they were just filming one day and then these kids are like they just drove by my house oh my God and they beep the horn and it kind of gave me a fright and they came to my door and then the camera was filming so it's in the documentary and I I I explained to them oh that's cool let's take a photo but then it got to a point where it' be like 900 p.m. 10 p.m. and then yeah oh St B home cuz my street my my

house my front door was accessible to the street that was my first house I ever bought now David lives there that's his home and I live in this [ __ ] complex that has a gate and a code so if you have to get to my front door you have to be there and yeah just dealing with people was the main thing for me cuz I didn't expect the attention I was getting I was expecting it but I guess the variable of the unknown so yeah I just had to learn how to protect my energy

and protect my some boundaries you know what I mean like today after lunch excuse me I I'd say yes to photos but if I feel like say I'm at the airport if I say yes to you've had this before you say yes to one and people are like oh he's taking photos and it becomes like a zombie apocalypse and I'm like yo I I gotta go somewhere so if I tell someone like yo I can't right now if I say yes to you I gotta say oh please just one and I'm like it's not just

one right you don't understand yeah and then I'm the I'm the [ __ ] but and I I love my fans and I love people actually support me and I try and make time for them but then also I have to make time for me cuz I've been there before where it's pretty much I'm just there and then oh my turn my turn I'm like bro I'm not even having fun I don't even have kids yet but when I have kids that's when I'm going to be like nah yeah my youngest daughter won't have it

she grabbed me and drag me away like when people try to take photographs she hates it good my middle daughter doesn't it doesn't bother her that much but the youngest daughter she gets [ __ ] angle like they're stealing my daddy's attention from me thank you yeah for me even if I okay when if I go on a date or whatever and someone sees me and tries to take a photo I just go I'm on her time right now you have to ask her or if I'm with my family I just say no especially when

you're sitting down having dinner that's crazy when they come up to the table like come on man get the [ __ ] out of here I think it's social awareness this day and age and everyone you know what it's it's f I can feel it coming once to see me cuz they look like they about to pull out a gun right that's what it feels like every time they do it I'm just like and I say yes to most of it but there's times I'll say no so that would be I say the the most

difficult thing so far was just dealing with people um but again I do like people but also I don't like some people some people just so entitled entitled they just come up at you and it's just likeo feel like you owe them something because they know who you are I'm I'm like you're don't even a fan sometimes it's it's this thing where they see people taking photos I want a photo too right I'm like you don't even know what I do I'm like oh can I get one please who are you yeah oh yeah I

love that you know why I like it when someone doesn't genuinely know who I am but when they oh I'm sorry I don't know you are I'm like it's okay my name's Israel because I got to meet them on a first name basis right but one of the best ones and the best replies I gave one time was these three chicks and or two guys they were just you know oh my God fan fan fan and one of them was like excuse me but who are you I was like I'm no it's always a girl

yeah and then she came back again like three more times like excuse me but like who are you I don't even know who you are I was like [ __ ] I don't know who you are and then her face was just like and I just left it alone but again I prefer meeting people on a first name basis right it makes me feel like I get to know you and you get to know me without some preconceived notion of what you've seen on TV or YouTube yeah yeah I love when someone doesn't know who

I am now it's nice now I can have a regular conversation with someone you know like what do you do like I'm a comedian oh have you ever been on television a couple of times oh I'll look out for you okay good no I like those that way it's just two people talking to each other real I like what you said protect your energy cuz that's really what it is cuz if you give up your energy to everyone you will get lost yeah you will get lost I learned that um the the the week before

the Robert Whitaker fight in Melbourne so I had this Epiphany and then did the fight did well and again you know how I told you after my UFC debut it was all this attention and stimulus that when I went home boom right and for like a month I just felt sad and I'm thinking like nothing's wrong I'm so [ __ ] like I should be happy I should be happy right and that's when I started going to therapy but then I learned through the techniques and tools I've got from that how to protect myself so

before the r fight I felt the same thing again cuz my girl at the time had to drag me away from the Afterparty cuz I hid in the Afterparty I hid in the toilet I had a drink Jesus Christ put all the seats I just sat there and then she's like where are you where I'm like I'm in the toilet so I just sent a text and she's like n I'm coming to grab you so we went to go get Ramen somewhere and then at the hotel before I flew out I just put out a

something on my story saying look guys I appreciate the love and all that if you see me you can come say what's up if you come yelling at me I'm just going to walk away it's the yelling thing and I think that's that's learned behavior they say oh my God yeah Joe Rogan I'm a and same rhetoric I'm a huge fan I loved you since this I've watched you since this and it's the same like bot responses yeah NPC responses and they're yelling but if someone just comes up like hey man I'm a big fan

do you mind if I take a pick cool let's go and they make it quick they're ready they're not going oh excuse me what are you doing here I'm just like yo don't hold me hostage let's just go like take the picture I like those but if we have a genuine connection and I Vibe with someone and we end up talking for like five minutes even better but you can't try to facilitate that but yeah it's when people come and then they hang around and then they won't leave yeah and I'm just don't hold me

hosted with your conversation there's a do you remember the first time you met a famous person uh you I did something real silly you would remember this and I I uh this is another one of those things oh I can tell you now cuz we're boys but I met you at UFC 192 when Dan f y and I met you backstage at the weigh-ins and then I came to say what's up and then I I did [ __ ] bought [ __ ] Bro then I was like bro do you remember my friend Chris he

took a photo with you and that's a video H and you're like yeah a lot of people do that and I was like oh yeah let just take this and then for the next like five hours idiot idiot why' you say that and I just felt cringe but I got over it eventually but again it's one of those things that you learn um yeah certain things I learned how even with Snoop one time at Staple Center when it was a staple center I ended up smoking with him but then I filmed it and then afterwards

I remember thinking like why did you do that like you should have just enjoyed the [ __ ] moment I and I cringe at myself when I like I'm like oh who doesn't want to [ __ ] smoke with Snoop Dog but why did I have to film it so I can show people I don't even think did I post I did post it yeah of course I posted it but yeah but again it's one of those things I learned now so there's people I've met places I've been now that I just I enjoy the

experience and it is what it is I don't need a photo right it's in here I've taken snapshots but you've had those experiences that's where I give people Grace when they they're first meeting me it's like I get it I remember the first time I met someone famous it's weird yeah it's a weird feeling you know you you don't remember that one do you I don't good uh for the next 5 hours to the next day I think the fight you the next day I was just like okay then I kind of got over it

and I just think and I told Chris when I went home like yeah I told him about that and I felt so stupid like H but I know now it's better cuz when I meet people I really appreciate I don't geek out or want even if it's I'm just like yo that's that person I kind of bird watch them and if they recognize me one of the coolest ones was Eminem in Saudi Arabia because everyone was trying to get a photo and then my my guy I security just goes hey M um Israel will I

take phot goes oh yo what's up and he came and took a photo with me and I out of everyone I he like he let me take a photo with him so I was like yeah I felt cool cuz it's Eminem you know what I mean so things like that I appreciate and certain moments like that I appreciate but I don't I don't force it I don't try and facilitate it I just let it be I just let it be and if I get it cool and I don't need it that's the thing you don't

need to take a photo for everything just enjoy the moment just enjoy the moment enjoy the interaction enjoy the energy but I understand the weirdness of meeting someone famous cuz I I do remember it it's just it's an odd feeling you don't know what to do you feel weird you say dumb things you don't know why you're saying them and then you're like what did I just do I'm better now the coolest one I think I had was Trump uh what was this Vegas at the fights I haven't even the the clip was one of

the UFC thing uh the documentaries and I saw him like oh yo America's Last Hope what's up I daed him up and and J's there just smiling and then we're talking we just dapping up and talking and then he's like enjoy your fight this and that right and it wasn't weird cuz again I could understand like I meant to be here now sometimes I get you Bel imposter syndrome sometimes it's Creeps in I don't know if you still get it yeah it still Creeps in but I know how to identify it now yeah and I

go right I'm going to shut it down like any emotion but yeah that was one of the cooler ones I had where I was okay I handled myself well I wasn't an idiot and and many other ones but yeah the ones and there will be more I used to get impostor syndrome so bad yeah where I meet people I'm like I can't believe you know who I am I got to hide you shouldn't know who I am I know who you are you should know me I'm fcking Los I felt that a little bit yesterday

but uh I went to the Mothership a little bit but again you watch it on YouTube all the time you're like oh my God me and my Bo like we're here this is cool and then only for a little bit but I realized I meant to be here cuz everyone's standing around me I'm kind of yeah having to hold court but I kind of just want to shut up and just be like yeah this is cool just enjoy yeah but everyone's around me and I was just cool and Arie was the man bro he's just

such a he's a funny dude so tall and talking about kickboxing with him and yeah but I'll probably head there tonight see what's up and I try and it's a fun place no geek out so much yeah play cool play cool cool that's a fun place we have so many people roll through too it's it's so interesting like all a sudden jelly rolls there you know now you guys did it man like you literally I think it was it Ron White that kind of started the you know the idea and that all of you started

to just march to Austin one by one yeah he came here before the pandemic yeah and he was the one who put it in my head cuz you know R's I [ __ ] love it here it's easy to travel middle of the country it's beautiful place no traffic people are nice I just came back from La so the contrast is definitely you can see it oh it's so much better here and it's better for comedy it's just cuz it's it's the only CB in the country that's owned by a comedian so it's free it's

like you can be yourself there's no Executives or producer yeah it's just me I don't even have any Partners so it's just me excuse me when you say that you mean like do people have to pay at other com clubs to perform there only when you are very very beginning and it's corrupt comedy clubs that you have to pay for stage time yeah that's that's not normal that's something taking advantage of amateurs so they can make extra money so they could justify Open Mic nights and stuff like that but that's not a lot of clubs

most clubs you know it's you have amateur nights they all should have it but some we have two nights we have two nights of Open Mic nights so we we just want to make it a real place where people can develop yeah from the very beginning you could do your first set on stage ever at the mother ship and eventually headline there someday I've seen it cam Patterson some of these guys they start there and now they just killing it yeah hard work hard work just grinding the kids in that club every [ __ ]

night he's always and he's traveling all over the place all over town doing different clubs going on the road he's you know he's doing he's making the most of the experience and for someone like me just a fan of comedy in general it's fun to see the process of them starting up and then cuz I was I used to listen to kill Tony my old job just so I didn't go postal I just like sit there with my headphones in and the hoodie on just to hide it so they don't know I'm doing it I'm

just like and then now to see where it's become and then you know where on the street is they got say coming up and I'm like oh [ __ ] so it's going to be on there and then it's going to be even bigger you know what I mean it's fun to see that and I've seen a lot of comics like just grow and then seeing the assets develop all that kind of thing and look I know how hard it is now just watching that cuz you think oh I've made a joke before I can

do it nah and seeing people bomb and kill Tony after just 60 seconds I just like yeah n [ __ ] all that I'd fight in front of millions of people with to stand in front of a crowd and try and make them laugh ah just that yeah it's a weird kind of rejection it's thank you that's what it is oh [ __ ] that didn't land Escape Escape Escape you can't do [ __ ] he just like nah [ __ ] this [ __ ] but you also see other people can do it so

you got to figure out a way to do it and it's that's part of the challenge of it all it's why it's so exciting to succeed yeah I'll that to you guys the expert it's hard you know but it's also fun I mean it's the most fun thing to do for a living and you could do it forever you know you don't you don't have to rely on your body Being Fit enough to do it you know fighting fighting is so unique because there's a small window you have from you know 18 to maybe 38

if you're lucky or you could be a yel Romero and compete like deep into your 40s but he's the rarest of the rare or Bernard Hopkins you know World Championship level at 50 crazy but those are the outliers for most people there's a small window make the most of it make in MMA that window is the smallest yeah is the smallest of all the Combat Sports that even make it to the top yeah man God think about how many guys have an amateur fight versus how many guys like make it to a just a world

title fight just a fight for forget about defending the world title what you've done is like the rarest of the rarest of the rare and then win it back again you know it's so rare yeah like BR I've seen people throughout the walks of life and gyms I've trained at that I'm like I think you're better than me but they just never made it they never got the experience or the exposure also when the lights are on they shut down and they don't show out I'm like you're better than what than this but again gym

Champions yeah yeah that's a real thing man with people that perform so well with no pressure and then when that pressure is on they're like 30% of what they are you see them make the mental mistakes you see them rushan and it's it's weird it takes skill to learn how to perform under the lights but also you have to have that thing like you have to know you're that guy or you have to have that belief in yourself so again I'm glad I've done it and I'm glad I'm doing it but now I'm just like

I just want to fight I just want to fight have fun and again it's weird like I just know that [ __ ] gold belt always circles back around I don't chase it never have and I knew it would always be there at some point but yeah it will and in the moment bro if I'm not happy with what I've done in this game What's going to make me happy right right how could you be exactly exactly you you I mean think about how many times you defended the title you won the title you beat

the greatest guys of your generation how could you not be happy with what you've done already but I still feel great and again it's this is you know when um Fighters talk about I lost the belt I felt this pressure lifted whatever I never felt that when I lost it an MSG I was just like I'm gonna fight this guy again and I got it back but then when I lost it um not to Strickland boy this last one is the only time when I was just like I didn't I wasn't the champ I guess

but when I when I this last fight was the first time I felt that like well but I still feel like I'm that guy cuz a lot of people still have that good on my back cuz I'm Israel I diss on you but having to fight for the belt having to fight uh with that thing I don't know this is the first time I've ever felt that where I'm like me I'm good so I'm just going to see what happens train get better and fight again at some point just concentrate on the task instead of

this whole thing of the titles and yeah cuz I feel like when you have the title there's all the spotlight on you there still is a spotlight on me but it's not the same thing and now I get to enjoy a little bit more almost freedom in a sense well I've heard Fighters talk about it heaps so I again for me I never felt it till recently that I'm like h i get what they mean now when they talk about the pressure pressure is still there but it's not the same and I'm like cool I

get to just fight for me now I get to have fun yeah just I want to try some crazy [ __ ] like I actually want to fight and just do some I want to go back to the way I used to fight when we didn't have so much on the line because it's not just about me it's about the people that are around me that you know I have to not have to but you know like if I do good Everybody Eats you know what I mean MH so now that we still do good

we still eat but it's like H [ __ ] the belt we just have fun so I just want to go back to having fun the way I used to fight when I was young [ __ ] skitso F who just did [ __ ] for fun like the [ __ ] tarz fight and the round one I'm like I'mma try a minari broll let see what that does and I kind of missed it but yeah I'm going to bring that back I kind of want to do that that kind of [ __ ] again

just cuz so do you think that like as the stakes are higher the pressure is more and it just restricts your creativity it restricts your ability to just be loose it didn't at first but the longer you defend the belt it happened to Anderson as well it happened to Anderson as well I saw it cuz I watched Anderson's rise and I saw the even to the point where people wanted him to lose just cuz he was so great it was just and then it's just that natural thing where people build you up cuz they want

to tear you down mhm and I felt that happen to me as well they're like H we just want to see him lose and when it happened they're like yeah and then when I want it again it was like yeah and I lost it they like yeah so it's just natural it's natural way of I don't know the mob of humans or whatever the fans it's just how it is the Coliseum well there's always a bunch of people that don't like that you've accomplished something they will never accomplish oh there's always them they yeah and

so they do want to watch you fall because it makes them feel better about their lack of success what did Dave say someone rejoices when a great man falls was a great quote ad specials the cowards yeah yeah that's the truth yeah facts I've seen it yeah I've even felt it as well like when you're just like I wonder what would happen if he loses like it'll just shake the whole landscape of things up so you just wonder like I felt it I think with Floyd I just wonder not that I wanted him to lose

cuz I'm a big Floyd fan but I was just like what would happen if he lost this fight you're like oh [ __ ] and but that's what makes it exciting you never know you know but yeah anyway I'm just here now and I'm just like cool let's have fun let's fight let's just get some you know some good matchups but again I'm in a spot now that you've got Rob coms out fighting DDP and Shawn are going to fight and I can't think of who who else is DDP and Sean set in stone I

think it's not set in stone but it's what they're looking at yeah when is that supposed to take place next year sometime but I'm trying to get something in this year so we'll see there's already a few call outs you know here and there but like cool uh the guy that just won in France I forget his name did he he the not the main event H imanov yeah he said something and I'm like uh we'll see it'll be a good fight it'll be fun but again what has he done he beat BR Brandon Allen

you know but and is that five round worthy cuz I'm I'm never doing three rounds again all my fights are probably going to be five if I ever do a round again [ __ ] let's go would you want to cuz like there's some three rounders that I feel like we got robbed that it wasn't a five rounder like suuki and and Charles Ola that was a good that was a good example that scrap that was crazy as well uh Oliva almost caught him couple times with submission yeah man and lost a controversial decision like

very close decision and then I feel like you give him two more rounds who knows what would happen another one was uh uh hamzat and kamaru oh yeah that third round kamaro was coming on strong off the couch as well yeah off the couch 10 days 10 days notice crazy fighting at 85 170 lb Champion right off the title loss and then you know third round he wins and you're like God what would have happened fourth and fifth yeah that's when some people come alive especially Champions yeah yeah yeah I can't do five but again

I say three I just feel like I would fight like like a bat out of hell I just feel like it would be different but again it's not even I I I do enjoy the the time in the cage but even training for five round fights a lot of people train for three rounds fights but they don't understand everyone wants to be Champion so you got to train for five rounds and it's like oh [ __ ] you got to do this [ __ ] you have five rounds of the spider circuit oh [ __

] that's where you find out the men from the boys you separate so yeah I do like a five round fight and also you don't get paid by the round so sometimes fights end like that so yeah that's up to you yeah so do you have a timeline of like when you would like to fight again how many fights you wouldd like to have CU I know you're 35 now how long do you think you're going to do this I don't know like I said I thought I would be 34 and I'm done with this

I always just thought like yeah when I'm 34 I'm done but then I'm here now and I feel great so I'm like let's see three more years who knows who knows [ __ ] kid might come out of nowhere I'm like oh [ __ ] I'm done with this game any fights that like like Strickland that you'd like to do again oh yeah Strickland and DDP Strickland won definitely cuz that fight was not me and again I don't make excuses he it was just another Dave Chappelle quote you have to realize when it's your I

can't remember he's such a [ __ ] philosopher with the day he said something about like when it's your time you have to know when it and be humble enough to know when it's someone else's you know what I mean that was just his week it was just his and everything so I just you know his time let him have it but I I definitely know what I can do and I took his best shots and I just know like yeah I can take this guy I I know what I can do not similar to

the Pereira one where I you know I was winning but this one I definitely know what I can do with this guy yeah what did so was that one shot that cracked you in that first round that changed the whole momentum of that fight yeah straight punches beat looping on linear punches he caught me good and in the moment I remember thinking like oh [ __ ] this [ __ ] is here H me oh [ __ ] is hitting me and I went to Mark G like you see the picture like I'm okay and

then even he told me my next fight with DDP like don't do that don't have to do that you just have to find a way out but it was hitting me and I was thinking like oh [ __ ] this is really happening [ __ ] and I have to fight out the position and just get back on them but yeah how much damage did he do in that Exchange in that exchange n not really much just the one shot the one shot was the one that got me but the rest was just kind of

like nothing really got through it just a lot of flurries and it looked but that's why I was able to look at Mark and be like yeah we're good but yeah um that'll come back see what happens with him and DDP uh he could win you know beat him and then we almost won the first time yeah it was close very it was close very close yeah it was yeah that was a a rough fight even at the end they were just swinging all side they had nothing left in the tank like you see strick

like it was all arms arms yeah there was nothing in the tank they emptied out well we'll see we'll see what happens in that fight and and yeah at the moment I just look I kind of like the feeling of not knowing cuz sometimes people ask who you going to fight next when you going to fight again I'm like I don't know I'm just chilling so again I'm just going to keep training and sometimes short notice [ __ ] happens you know what I mean and it's like well I'm already in shape [ __ ]

let's go right yeah but we'll see so stay ready yeah stay ready like I said I've done the testing already and I know where I'm at after this I'm going to go get some work in and yeah even on the road bro I love this food there but [ __ ] I know when I get home I'm going to have to take all this off and I know it will come off cuz I've got you know good nutritionist now and stuff but yeah I just trying to stay ready you guys don't have barbecue in New

Zealand oh yeah you have like a Terry black in New Zealand yeah they have oh just even the food there I think the quality is different but also I try to stay off Uber Eats as much as possible now I have Matt cooking for me so if I want something I'll see something on the reels Matt can you please make this he be like yeah cool boom and he'll just make it night and you don't [ __ ] in it yeah in Camp it'll be healthy but right now I can I can stretch my legs

a little bit as some cheese whatever but um yeah I just stay ready that's the main thing just stay ready your camp that City kickboxing gym is what a [ __ ] gym that is like there's so many killers coming out of that and oldberg now on the rise God damn that dude's good there's so many yeah he's so tall and dangerous there's so many good Fighters coming out of there now even recently um we had cam Aaron toe and then Navajo fight on the contender series Navajo was the only one to get a contract

he got it with the hook actually I don't know if you saw that fight I didn't yeah Navajo Sterling he um knocked out the guy in the second round so now he's in the UFC he got a contract and he's going to fight this year I think in December so he's already in Camp for his next fight cuz he was kind of fresh coming off that fight so yeah he's another guy that this oh yeah that's him yeah the guy in the red big nav boom and then set him up boom boom out and the

guy fought was tough too came strong in the first round but Navajo was able to put him away another king in the ring Champion as well I think he's two time King in the ring Champion what weight is that at light heavyweight damn that's a big fellow so he's a guy my Miami fight with Pereira he helped me a lot uh Ben Johnson helped me a lot with the looks you know uh but yeah he he's just a [ __ ] Savant the next level kickboxer but knows how to Grapple he he looks that [

__ ] downloads it drills it and he's using it on you straight away or the next day it's just one of those guys and he loves to fight he's a guy who just stays in the gym stays ready like I said he's got a fight already locked in even lost has got a fight oir he's fighting oir in maau you know uh what's his name uh no time yeah vul yeah volan yeah that's a good fight I like that for Carlos uh who else yeah so I like the gym the way it's growing even on

the local scene as well you have a lot of guys who are just coming up in the local scene and they're looking at us because of what we've done no Government funding no backing from the the sports uh what do you call it in New Zealand they try to stifle US during covid you know moving the goo saying oh you can quarantine in the gym okay now you can't quarantine in the gym we're sneaking around trying to find places to train they following us we reporters taking photos putting us in the papers making us look

bad we're disobeying the law think about your grandma all that kind of stuff so yeah we've done it our own way and we're still I think we're still one of the best gym if not the best gym in the world that's why I'm there only reason I'm in New Zealand is because of City kickboxing if not for that place I definitely would still be there to see my family but I would have probably moved all over the place like Melbourne I definitely would have lived in Melbourne for a while like Melbourne I love melbour Australia

Canada somewhere Melbourne's great yeah melbour I just like the the culture the food even here in Austin Australia and and New Zealand they just have such restrictive laws yeah and the government has such control over people and I didn't realize it until the pandemic yeah and then I was like Jesus Christ that's why got to play the game Joe yeah keep moving I play the game as the say like it's almost egotistical in the sense the rules are therefore reason and I am a law abiding citizen but sometimes there certain things where I think like

the laws don't doesn't apply to me you know what I mean that's why I don't follow politics I only ever voted recently in New Zealand because of the [ __ ] referendum they were going to make marijuana legal I was like okay that applies to me I'll vote for that so that what do you call it one policy voters or whatever the other laws and stuff I'm like me unless if it's something crazy like someone decides oh we're going to tax the rich 50% of their money I'm like that applies to me then I'll vote

so when I say the law doesn't apply to me it's in the sense of like I don't really care about what their policies are you know so yeah that's how I live and I'm able to travel a lot which I'm grateful for but yeah uh if it wasn't for ckb I definitely would have would have left enzed or maybe traveled more checked out Europe or you know [ __ ] like that but right now as I'm fighting maybe after fighting I will you know is beautiful oh it is beautiful spot to live I like the

pace I do like the pace and again I like watching America the rest of the world from New Zealand cuz it's just like this little corner of the world just like chilling and just oh yeah kiwi mate good you know and then yeah just see what happens in the rest of the world and we still get a lot of things happening culturally that are relevant to the world but yeah I definitely want to travel after fighting and I get to travel like I'm in [ __ ] Austin Texas now you know talking to you where

was I after this I'm going to New York um yeah I'm sure I'll be somewhere else on the planet at some point but yeah what do you think you wanted to do when this is over so I have a plan in place cuz I know me I'm an adrenaline junkie so I know I'll need something every like maybe th twice a year where I feel like I'm going to die so one of my plans is that's such a crazy thing to say but I get it that's why I have a McLaren and you know I've

you know never crashed it amen but um yeah so for me like I what skydived twice already in the last year that was fun so again if I said okay I'm done fighting now then okay they're running in the with the bulls cool let's do that and I'll just train for that and then when it's time to I'll go to Spain or whatever and get ready for that and then go run with the bulls cool that's yeah that'll be fun it's dangerous you could die yeah but that's a dumb way to die yeah Dumb Ways

to Die there's many fighting is a dumb way to die too but it's still GL it's glorious it's a glorious way but getting stomped to death by a bull is not a good way to die yeah but I mean what other what do I have so what's another one okay let's say I go to the Outback uh go learn I don't know to jump on a crocodile and save it from some I don't know there'll be something I'll find things I'm there's always something I'll find something to do that will make me feel like I'm

my life is in danger so you feel like you're going to need that forever cuz if not you just fall a lot of guys they come back and fight again cuz they miss that oh you know I was that guy I was that guy and those especially who never made it to the Pinnacle or what they wanted to do then they still have that dissatisfaction and then they come back to try and reclaim That Glory yeah do it for less money and then they fall short they become Journeymen become alcoholics drug addicts you know [

__ ] like that so I don't want to also who knows I my main thing though is definitely start a family that's one thing I want to do after fighting it'll happen I'm not I don't go looking for that [ __ ] because when you do you find the wrong thing MH and I've made that mistake before we're not going to make that mistake again so I know it happen for me and when it does I'm going to be a great dad you can't convince yourself that it's good you got to it has to be

good relationship oh yeah facts oh no there's a lot of people that want a great relationship so they talk themselves into one and then next thing you know you're with some girl going your phone I got talked into one that's the thing so now I know I'm like okay bet we not do talked into one oh just you know when you when you fall in love you [Music] just stupid cuz I'm such a lover as well I'm So Soft so I but I learned my lesson and again it's one of those things you just have

to go through and I'm grateful for the experience I'm grateful that I did cuz now I know exactly what not to do next time so that's why I don't look I'm single cuz I just enjoy myself I enjoy not being responsible for someone else's emotional state you know as a fighter cuz you know you know this you know Fighters when they have to deal with [ __ ] before a fight before the cost of fight the [ __ ] I had to deal with woo it was oh my God and I was quarantining at the

gym as well so that kind of stuff I don't want to deal with I just want to focus on me there's a problem that girls when they think that you're busy with something else and you don't care about you're not paying attention to them they're not your primary focus got to be the Center of Your World very upset I've seen guys where they're they're getting ready for a fight and their girl starts fights with them like as they're weighing in you know okay not that bad at least she knew better but still it's just look

it's it's more about also don't try to compete with your your your your husband or your boyfriend with me you'll lose it's not like in a sense like this is what I do for a living you don't have to try and compete you know it's weird like when someone tries to compete with their their person or whatever no it's nuts yeah this is meant to be a partnership right the intimate person in your life wants you to fail cuz they're competing with you and they want they want to get over on you but thing is

what's good for me is good for us what's good for you is good for us right if you're a team so again if you're a team I'm learning and I'm not looking cuz I think that that ship sailed in the sense like when I look at someone like say even a Conor with d Devin that's [ __ ] cool I love that she's still with them to this day they got have many kids together that's cool regardless of what the state of their relationship is now it's like look she was with him when he was

no one and she believed in them that kind of stuff is rare these days so when I see it in other people I'm just like right they still love in the air Joe it's still out there sometimes it works it can work but boy you got to find the right person no they got to find you I'm I'm looking yeah I'm not looking I'm just chilling I actually got on the hinge the other day just for fun in La I was like let me see I hate these apps I don't use those I try to

get on R they still have me on the [ __ ] waiting list for in the last two years I'm I cool but I went on hinge in La just to see just to see what's up but it's just funny it just funny to see the experience I had a couple interactions it was cool but I was like ah this is what people do now it felt like the questionnaire to get on hinge I thought it was going to be like this thing cool cool cool put some pictures up I'm like am I trying to

do adoption or some [ __ ] cuz it's like what is this and what is your primary focus and I'm like I spent like 20 minutes doing the whole thing so it's up now I still have it on in Austin I'm like ah that's just for fun line out there for the ls for the ls yeah yeah easy well it's you know you have to protect your time that's the problem it's like you only especially when you're doing something like fighting there's the amount of time and dedication that's required to be at your very best

is insane and there's nothing like it there's nothing like it even in sports if you're a basketball player you have to play basketball you have to practice but you there's a lot more free time a lot more free time and it doesn't drain your body the way fight training does the consequences is different what it's like after a game of rugby or whatever cool I don't know how the the [ __ ] the brackets work or whatever even the basketball football soccer but then you get to play the next day or the next not the

next day sometimes the next week you know fighting it's not always like that also if you get hurt you get hurt badly and you suspension six months and you have to wait and then if you don't if you're not strong mentally I've seen people break yeah I've seen them break and it's just like [ __ ] come on man you you're better than this so yeah for me fighting takes everything it takes everything and I've done well in this game and sometimes in the beginning I didn't give everything so that's why now that I'm at

this age I'm like yo give everything so that way when I'm done I just know I did everything I could to be the best and I was and I'm proud of myself so I'm yeah I'm still here man I'm still like I said I'm not fighting for you know a belt or anything anymore that'll come around when it does but it's just I'm just fighting just cuz I I have bro a submission is more worthy to me than the third belt like I'm going to get that really yeah I'm going to get that it's gonna

and I'm not going to look for it it's going to present itself and I'm going to get it and I'd be like right I take that off cool because I've done a lot of cool [ __ ] in this game it's more like just the highlights and I just know I can so that's that's more worthy to me at the moment and that's like a maybe ego thing or personal thing but yeah that's just me though do you have a timeline on how much longer you want to fight for like I said right now I

say three years but I'll be 38 that's probably the end yeah where guys can compete at the the high like Jared caner got to like 38 30 39 he started to fall off a little bit and the last two fights he's lost I think GSP stopped just around there as well 37 maybe when he fought bis Bang Yeah but who knows that's what I'm saying it's like I feel I don't think I'm going to fight at 40 I don't think I think that's not me I'll be I'll be nah even for me as a person

I'm like n I'd rather be doing something else but 38 right now was in my head who knows [ __ ] 36 37 I'm just like right peace I'm out I'm spontaneous like that but I think 38 H 39 but let's see 38 let's see what happens first but at the moment I'm still here do you have any thoughts of things to do other than things for adrenaline like like like to do with your time apart from raising a family uh production I definitely want to have my own production company and do stuff like a

couple acting things of course because they've already come up and I turned them down because of this game I was like you know you have to give everything to this game I don't want to spend three months somewhere filming right you know this kind of stuff um but definitely motion capture definitely want to do that you know what's his name the guy that did uh Andy Circus Planet the Apes Gollum Caesar he's one of the best at it and I I see the way he works and operates and I just I know I can do

that I can learn and I'm very coachable I can learn stuff like that voiceover work with some cartoons or animes or whatever video games motion capture stuff I'd like to I have my own ideas of of of things I want to bring to fruition but I don't necessarily have the skills even though I was doing computer graphic design for about three years I knew how to make a red ball bounce in Maya the 3D program that was my biggest achievement in that but I can partner up with someone on studio and just bring my ideas

to life if they like it like I I'll learn how to write a script maybe so I can present it properly also [ __ ] all this [ __ ] with AI might just be able to do with AI in two years and be like right boom and if it hits it hits if it sucks cool do it again at the drawing board but yeah uh a lot of things a lot of things I already have like again shout out to my pops my my pops is is is a real OG because he helped me

just triple and quad triple my money yeah cuz if I didn't have him I definitely would end up as one of those sad stories I feel just because of who I am as a person I feel like I would have ended up as one of those sad stories because of the trust I have in people so I'm glad I have my dad around just to like just make sure things are cool always vampires right there's always vampires they do it's just human nature it's human nature I'm sure you have it as well on the way

up and even now I'm sure you have it as well but they always they come out the woodwork and it's like H let me see but then my dad's able to tell this is legit this is [ __ ] oh let me have a look at this first he goes through every contract I can read but sometimes cuz I'm dyslexic I I read really slow or I just lose focus and [ __ ] like that especially contract [ __ ] that's very difficult to really no pictures needed an anime contract make me a [ __

] cartoon that explains what happens if everything goes wrong with me crying all no money [ __ ] or me living in a pal bathtub fill with gold yeah but I just get like unless it it's something maybe fiction that entices me and I can really go deep but yeah I like reading comics and [ __ ] like that contract is just detail but there's one person on this planet I trust that wants the best for me is my father that's a great thing to have amen because even I've said this like guys like khabib

you know rest in peace to his pops he had him in his Corner uh Michael Jordan he had his dad in this corner you know on the court my dad is in my corner but that's on the stuff that really matters outside the cage and life like I'm when I talk about imposter syndrome I'm like how the [ __ ] do I have this many houses right I'm doing well cool I know I'm I'm adulting but that's because of my pops and I learned the game through him but the details of the game I still

don't know yet so after this I'll have more I guess input in the sense that okay this and that and this is what this means and that you know with the property values and whatnot I try not to get too much into it cuz right now all I can focus on is this fighting the main thing if I don't have this then yeah I can definitely tap into all that kind of stuff but n I'd rather just focus on this and let my dad handle it so again I'm I'm grateful so grateful that he's around

and he's the one that's helped me get to this point because a lot of people don't even have their dad in their lives you know and I'm glad I do yeah it's overall it seems like you're in a real good place I am so yeah I am look this is life you know how it is ups and downs smiles and frowns but right now where I'm at I'm in a good place way better place cuz again like people the thing I didn't like I appreciated it after my last fight people come up be like hey

man that was a great fat last fight you did well oh thank you but when people come cuz I was at the buffet in Perth and some guy came up to me and just like H luck mate I was like what like he wanted to feel sorry for me I was like nah get your [ __ ] [ __ ] off me I'm like I'm good I'm like bro if you knew how much I made from this fight you wouldn't even you wouldn't feel sorry for me but that some people don't know how to react

Rea so they come like well they were rooting for you and you know they feel bad and I know but but I want I like the again I don't fault them for it CU they don't know what to say but the ones that come up they like bro that was a mean fight man you almost had him but that was a [ __ ] good fight I'm like thank you I felt good in that one it's it's a different look on two different on the same thing it's like some look at it with like yay

and some look at with that uh but I'm in a better place cuz again this isn't everything fighting is not everything in my life I've lost many times I've out of fighting you know and I've come back I've lost in fighting many times and I've come back so for me right now where I'm at in life I'm enjoying it I'm enjoying the ride and yeah I look forward to the future I look forward there's a thought that some people have that in order to be at your best it has to be everything you have to

live and die by your performances and when your performance sucks you have to suffer until you get a good one nah that's not for me I've been there before and it's not for me everyone is different and I understand that when it's like cuz even when I was on top of the world you know like number one and this and that it never defined me I never let it Define me I always knew I was Israelite this one before and after the belt I'm still me no matter what they're still going to be trying to

fight me cuz they want to have Israel ad dis on their record you know they want to they want to fight me they don't want to fight the champ like people will probably even pick a fight over me than DDP or maybe not cuz probably easier fight they think but still like I'm me and that's never ever going to change that's never ever going to change as long as I stay true to me yeah and I I look if this game was going to change me if money was going to change me it would have

done it ages ago a lot of lot of zeros ago but I've always been this guy with or without money you can ask anyone who really knows me they'll tell you oh yeah that's the same dude I was dancing with back in the day still the same goofball keeps the same energy but now that I'm here I just I have a lot more freedom to do things that I want to do than I'm grateful for but yeah uh I even look forward to seeing who I become next year like who I evolve into next year

cuz again I am me but learning there things I'm going to learn about myself I'm sure you have this as well Jamie has this we all have this we just figuring out who we are even what are you now 57 no way yeah bad yeah so you're still learning you're never going to stop you never stop learning when you do you're going to die yeah facts yeah this the life is an experience it's a long and people have like this number thing in their head oh by 30 you should know this some people some people

know some people don't learn until they're 40 some people never learn I thought I was going to be married with two kids at 23 wow you could have been yeah if you zigg when you could have zagged I'm glad I zagged did I glad I zag for that one that was so long ago and I was was again I'm soft bro I'm like I'm surprised I'm [ __ ] great at this this fighting [ __ ] like I'm so you bro do you see some some idiot try to step me out do you ever see

that no what happened some so this is uh two weeks three weeks ago I had a great great day at training morning went to the the the the the shop to get a pie and I just thought you know people were just showing love I'm just oh hey what's up someone take a picture cool cool cool cool cool and then one guy just pulls up and goes yo Izzy let's go one outs I'm like d and I thought like bro this is stupid I was like one outs what is that so one out and New

Zealand slang like one onone like one out let's go and I was like this is silly like what the [ __ ] and I just started laughing and I said bro I get paid Millions for this I'm not going to whoop your ass for free and then he kind of go angry and he's stuck at the lights it's green people are honking driving around them and I'm laughing walking away with my pies in my hand and I remember just looking like the [ __ ] and I grabbed my carard on I went and that pissed

him off then he drove and then parked in front of my car and I was like okay took my watch off and I told a guy can you please call the cops and I'm glad only one person actually decided to help oh I did see the video with that I saw just a small clip of it I I didn't know exactly what was going on just an idiot but again I'm glad one this is the day and age of people just boom cameras out cuz everyone who was around everyone got the cameras out there was

only one guy who used use his phone to call the cops when I asked him cuz I didn't want to hurt this guy and this guy I don't know if he was going through something or he was maybe cracked out or something cuz even the guy the video that came out it seemed like it was set up cuz the guy kept on going and the I'm like what are you trying to say and I I I I'm glad I I like I said I'm soft I have patience and if I had a bad day it

might have been different I I like to say that because of freedom of thought but also my friend you know faake got killed by senseless Street violence this is something that we've talked about even in the film it was something that we all had to go through cuz he got hit with a coward punch and then hit the ground and then boom he's in a coma for about two weeks and then eventually they have to pull the plug as I'm talking to this guy I want point I go bro I don't know you like whatever

has happened I don't [ __ ] know you I'm sorry and he's like yeah talk to me nicely [ __ ] talk I'm like and I started getting angry and then got to the point I spat at him and I that was me like I hoped he did something and then I'm like right I'm taking this guy out but then when I spat at him he just looked down and kept on talking and I realized you're not about this life I'm not going to spend the next 10 minutes talking and to this guy just elevates

him in his mind that he exactly oh he took a shirt off at the end I got on my car I was driving off he had a shirt off flexing like what [ __ ] what and I was like this n is cracked out oh he's crazy person so for me again that's why I say I'm soft and uh I had to I had to really hold myself back I I don't know I'm sure you've no no one tries you anymore of course they'd [ __ ] be stupid to try you but I was thinking

no one would try me anymore cuz back in the day someone would try me I'm like bro bro people were trying Chuck Liddell in his prime and he was a complete psychopath try out to Dan hooker Dan would not have the patience that I have would [ __ ] instantly demolish that guy but again I just don't want to do something CU if you breached the line yeah I was within range and within my rights to strike him cuz I feel what happened with your friend if you knock that guy out and he bounces his

head off that was that was what was going through my head and also we started this charity walk without fear and I I'm glad nothing happened I'm glad I was patient because now that video can be used cuz we're trying to change the laws look the guys that killed my friend when we were in lockdown they were on home detention so they're free now they're walking free enjoying their life and my friend is dead get convicted I think one of them did but the rest of them they had home detention the ones that actually even

helped they got home detention and I think for a year and a half so six months of that home detention we all did it together in lockdown so what kind of punishment is that you get to sit at home and watch Netflix and my friend's daughter has to grow up without a father you know nothing for nothing just cuz ego alcohol drunk oh this and that so again I'm glad I'm soft and I I don't like I don't like confrontation I don't but when it's time to get down I will get down and I I've

put it out enough like I I I want to protect my boundaries and [ __ ] like that but I don't ever want to be put in a position where someone tries to set me up just so they can make money off me but there will be a point if someone tries me enough that I'll have to definitely defend myself and there's no [ __ ] referee in a street fight that's going to drag me off off off a person in that I see Red Bro not that [ __ ] I'm I see red Bros

is the funniest [ __ ] not that [ __ ] bro that's your own blood I see red you should see clearly that's a ridiculous thing blood yeah me I've never heard anybody say I see red and it worked out well but yeah I just yeah I'm glad it worked out well for me and I I I spared a life that day cuz if not it would have been really bad and then I might not be here right I might be in the [ __ ] cell somewhere they might try to make an example out

of you because yeah especially if you killed somebody bro I know these these [ __ ] in NZ like the bureaucrats they don't like people like me they don't like people like me who was outspoken who is not a quintessential kiwi you know what I mean the guy that just keeps quiet and yeah you know follows the rules just very just very humble like fake humility is something I never been like I know humble is or what it is for Real cuz I deal with that every day like I [ __ ] Spar caros Navajo

I grow with Dan I get humbled every [ __ ] day so I know what real humility is but for me to try and like let the world know I'm humble just so I seem like I'm humble that's that fake [ __ ] and I'll never be that and when I see it I cringe cuz I'm like H I know I know you right it's like [ __ ] I know you we've done things so when I see people do that I'm like H just be real you know so yeah I try and keep it

real as always but again like I said I'm soft but sometimes you it's a real challenge to be yourself with the kind of attention and pressure that you get the magnifying gloves of the world and I I would never change I'll never not express myself the way I I always do but sometimes the world will try to put you in a box and be like this is this is what you're meant to be this is who you're meant to be I'm like no it's always weak people that want to do that bro like what was

the one I put up the other day cuz I was I was there was a scene from my movie I was getting my nails done I was what was I doing some drip tips and then I put a clip next to it where cam goes well I've been wearing pink my whole life [ __ ] been saying I'm gay bro if you think I'm gay bring your mother around bring your sister around I [ __ ] love that I was like yes cuz again I don't care it's never been an issue for me I think

people think cuz I never flexed my girlfriends or anything online they're like nah definitely this guy sus also cuz I'm nice and I'm soft makes you sus that's hilarious being a nice person makes you sus yeah cuz I'm not a [ __ ] so silly but I can be a [ __ ] I have been a [ __ ] in the past but but again I'd rather I was raised right my family actually you know my mom and dad raised me with good morals and yeah I treat people with respect when and even if I

don't get it back it's like cool whatever but yeah people expect you to be this kind of cuz you're when this oh man you're a lot different than I thought you would be in person well you're not trying to fight me so no you know what I mean people expect you to be some type of way a I thought you know hard yeah or even an [ __ ] like yeah and look there people you can find who be like yeah he's an [ __ ] and I like well yeah but who are you yeah

exactly I was an [ __ ] to you yeah but you an [ __ ] so I had to be an [ __ ] to get you the [ __ ] away from me facts facts and I I'm fine with that now that's cuz back in the day when I first came into this game I always felt like I had to with every fan I had to put on the song and dance oh hey how's it going well sometimes I might be at a four or five at energy level so if someone pulls up on

me I'm just like yeah cool let's take a picture but I don't have to ham it up right to make them feel like this is a great experience oh he's such a nice guy it's like bro the day my cat died I was I was pumping gas and the guy tried to take oh he tried to make me talk to his cousin on the phone and I said no and he's like oh all good and I felt bad and I was like oh give me the phone and I'm there with the phone pumping gas and

I went what bro no phones I like get the [ __ ] away cuz I but I did that cuz I felt bad that he I didn't talk to his cousin on the phone while I'm pumping gas so what happened if something happened and boom oh what cuz I wanted to talk to this guy's cousin on the phone cuz he saw me at a gas station while I'm pumping gas so when I talk about protecting my boundaries it's just about time and place and approach like again people not and i' I've put that out enough

where I feel like people do respect it now but some people still think I hate fans or whatever but I'm like that's what you think if that's what you got from my message then cool you think that but it's about protecting my energy and protecting my boundaries and well I don't think they'll ever understand what it's like to be a person like you yeah yeah being the the spot yeah and so again they feel like you have this Advantage this privilege that no one else gets so they think that you owe them something you owe

them your time I bro I'm a fan I pay for your pay-per-view no you don't you're just talking [ __ ] yeah oh no oh the ones that is when come bro I bet on your F day I'm like yeah [ __ ] your multi cuz again I put my life on this [ __ ] every time I step in there I put my life on the line but they will never understand that they'll come and tell me like yeah bro one time this is years a go and the club a guyy showed me a

betting slip I was like end this is after a Yan fight he shows me a bet I'm like cool like what do you expect me to do give you a refund right like n [ __ ] you so I can't remember how I respond yeah do you think I wasn't trying to win if you a't got it like that don't put your money up I only gamble with money that I'm I'm going to lose or I I can afford to lose but again yeah I'm [ __ ] gambling with my life right I'm trying to

win and then something back could happen I'm not here again you know so yeah people are weird and I love people like I always say this there's something about every group of people on this planet that I love including my own and there's something I hate about every group of people on this planet just little things little things that just annoys me I'll say like okay Nigerians I hate how the elders sometimes confuse respect with fear cuz that's how I grew up they confuse respect with fear and I've had to deal with that you know

I'm not going to say anything else about anyone else because they know it's like oh Israel hates these people or whatever but again I love people but at the same time they're taking advantage of the fact you're being respectful I love me first I know what you're saying I got to put me first yeah you have to if you don't nobody else will facts n have to bro well listen brother I think the way you handle yourself and the way you communicate and the way you're honest and just you could be yourself it's a great

example to other people especially young Fighters that are coming up and trying to figure out how they're going to manage this and if they get ever be so fortunate they get to a position like yourself you've got you gave them a little road map you know and I think that's that's a that's a beautiful gift to give people to an understanding of how an intelligent sensitive person deals with this crazy position in life thank you actually hit thank you so much n i yeah I can say the same about you what you've done everything from

day do since I've met that you don't remember and I'm glad you don't remember to now even being friends with you I like being friends with you and also I don't cuz you still have a job to do and I never want to put you in a compromised position I always still have to respect you and what you do and I still kind of keep my distance a little bit but I always respect and appreciate every time that we've interacted or hangout and you know who you are as a person so thank you I appreciate

you brother thank you brother love you man you're the [ __ ] man let's go all right let's wrap it up what else watch sty bender on Prime itle TV there it is bang beautiful awesome all right thank you so much man appreciate it brother thank you bye everybody [Applause] [Music]