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They want to see the Palestinians out of Gaza. This is part of their grand design. What is it if not a crime? So, do you think he should be at the H? I have to say it. Yes. Should Donald Trump be doing more? He is the voice of restraint and of reason summoning Netanyahu into the Oval Office and telling Netanyahu enough is enough. Nothing gets you a redder carpet in international media than an Israeli hoping and gladly bashing Israeli politics. Well, brother, I got news for you. That's not what happens in America at all. You

love violence. You absolutely love violence. These are anti-semitic tropes. Let me just ask you to speak about bigotry. You're lecturing me about this terrorism. You're a cheerleader for terrorists. Why don't you put on a outfit and a pom pom? The IDF has fiercely denied Hamas reports that its forces opened fire on crowds of Palestinians as they made their way to an aid center in southern Gaza. Lettuce massacre could have been perpetrated by terrorists or by Hamas itself. As ever, we cannot for sure say because the IDF doesn't allow journalists to operate freely in Gaza. What

neither side can deny at this point is that the scale of death and suffering is intolerable and the anger and devastation is rippling across the world. Muhammad Solomon, an Egyptian national, has been charged with murder today after attacking a small and peaceful rally of Jewish people in Colorado with homemade petrol bombs. A young couple who worked at the Israeli embassy in DC was shot dead 10 days ago by gunman shouting free Palestine. It should go without saying that attacking innocent Jewish people is sick and depraved and does nothing but grave harm to the Palestinian cause.

It should also go without saying that the mass killing of innocent Palestinians by Netanyahu's forces is now doing nothing but grave harm to the Israeli cause. We are 19 months into this war. It began as a justified response to an appalling terror attack, but it's become a senseless program of punishment by starvation and extermination. It has to stop. Last week, former Israeli Prime Minister Ehoud Omar accused his country of committing war crimes in damning remarks that made global headlines. And he joins me now. Uh, Ehudo, thank you very much indeed for joining me on Uncensored.

Um, you made some uh comments last week which as as you know generated a huge amount of attention. I happened to be in the Middle East at the time and they were uh the main news item for several days. Um, first of all, let me just ask you, what has the reaction been from where you sit now to what you said? Have you been surprised, not surprised? Oh, I get mixed uh comments. Uh there are many many many Israelis that call me, thank me, message me uh thanking me for speaking up for them uh for

what they think and what they feel and they are anxious that there will be a voice coming from Israel uh which will be different from the voice of Benvir and Smrich and the Tanya and the group of thugs which uh is now part of the Israeli cabinet. uh uh and I think that uh this is something which I consider to be very important that the international community uh guys everywhere that watch you that watch other channels will know that there are many Israelis that were absolutely in favor of the Israeli counter offensive on the 7th

of October and since then for a long time for good reasons because kamas murders had to be reached out and uh eliminated and we did a great job for almost 20 months But the time has come to stop it. And this is the time and the fact that the government continues this operation when everyone knows that there is not any purpose that can be achieved by an expanded military operation that Israeli soldiers are going to be killed that they we are going to lose the hostages which is the primary the most superior objective that there

should be for us to save them and that also non-involved Palestinians will be killed. This is something which is unacceptable and this is what I try to say and I'm I I hear the other voices coming from Israel as well. Of course, I'm criticized. The poison machine of Netanyahu is working day and night to uh oppose me and to uh uh slander me, which is expected. I'm not intimidated. One of the sticks they use to beat you in terms of criticism is that of course you were convicted uh of receiving uh bribes and you went

to to prison for that. Um what does it have what does it have to do? Well, no. I'm just saying that's one of the criticisms that people use against you this week has been why should they against they use against me they use against me this all the time. I'm not going to uh uh run into uh this certainly not at a time when the Israeli prime minister, present prime minister of Israel who is defended by some is facing charges of bribe and what note for a court case which runs all already for four or

five years. Uh so uh that has nothing to do with the question of whether or not we should continue the war now. Yeah. Just to be to to be clear to be clear to be clear just to be clear I it wasn't coming from me. I'm repeating what as you know it's been one of the criticisms that people have leveled at you to try and silence you. They say well why should we listen to this guy? What what do you say to them? Those who don't want to listen to me, they can shut up the

televisions or the radios or don't read my articles. The fact is that there is a demand precisely for this because people know that when I was prime minister things were done in an entirely different way. I was never by the way indicted or even inquired about anything personal that I did at time of prime ministership. So my uh record as spy ministry is completely clean and uh I you know it will be a waste of time uh to even plunge into this kind of controversies. Those who don't want to listen to me don't listen. Those

who want to listen to me and there are quite a few in Israel and I believe overseas I get reactions from across the world after watching me probably now even more after watching you with you. But uh at CNN, at ABC, at NBC, at other places and they entirely uh sympathize with what I have to say. When you say that Israel's forces are now committing war crimes, that's obviously a very serious charge. Do you believe that this will inevitably now end up in the international criminal courts at the H? Well, again, up until recently, there

was an international consensus that the Israeli operation was inevitable and acceptable and justified. And I entirely subscribe to this as most of the Israelis did for obvious reasons because of what happened on the 7th of October and the continued uh consistent uh war of terror that was perpetrated by Hamas for years and years and years which was culminated on the 7th of October by this mass killing of innocent people in their homes, in the living rooms, in the bedrooms, in their safe rooms. uh raping, butchering, beheaded, beheading people, mothers, children, elderly people. The Israeli reaction

was inevitable and acceptable was uh endorsed by the international leadership, you know, Joe Biden, Rish Sonak, President Mcron, Chens Schultton, so many others. But 20 months passed since then. Everything that can be achieved by a military operation has been achieved and tens of thousands of Palestinians were killed. Probably a large number of them were fighters of Hamas and they deserve the punishment. Okay. But thousands were not. And now the question is what else can we achieve by expanding the military operation which can justify the cost? the cost for us, the cost for the hostages and

the cost of non-involved Palestinians. And the feeling is that we have come to a point where a leadership decision has to be made to stop it. And the majority of Israelis believe that Netanyahu carries on and wants to expand it not because of any national interest that justifies it, but because of political considerations. What is it if not a crime? So, do you think he should be at the Hague one day for this? Look, there should be a voice. And if as a result of the fact that I was prime minister and I'm fairly well

known in the international community that people want to hear what I have to say, I have to say it. Yes, I'm prepared. I am I'm ready to I I'm already in the middle of the heat, you know, of those who oppose me. But I think I should do that. Tax day has passed, but for millions of Americans, that's where the trouble begins. The IRS is now ramping up enforcement for those who miss the April deadline or still owe back taxes. Well, today's sponsor, Tax Network USA, can still help. If your books are a mess, if

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but it seems to me that Benjamin Netanyahu has been hijacked uh by some very right-wing people like Smodrix, Benu, and others in this cabinet who have always spoken in a kind of genocidal language about their aspirations for what should happen in Gaza and to the Palestinian people. and that Netanyahu has been dragged as you say for for more for personal motivational reasons uh to their way of thinking because he knows the moment the war is over then he will be held accountable for what happened on October the 7th and secondly he will be facing a

corruption trial himself as you said um so there's no motivation for him to end the war and now it seems that the whole attitude from the Israeli government is being fueled and driven driven by these very right-wing people like Smodri and Bengavir who really do want to see all the Palestinians out of Gaza. They want to see the Palestinians out of Gaza in order to resettle there. They don't want to see them deported because they want to prepare the ground for a a Trump Tower hotel as maybe some interpreted statements of President Trump to mean.

They want it because they want to resettle there and this is part of their grand design. They want to uh do the same in the West Bank already. Now they are inspiring the uh the hilltop youth which I call the atrocious youth uh for uh almost daily attacks against uh Palestinians in the West Bank, Palestinian Arabs in the West Bank and they are burning their their uh groves uh olive groves. They are burning their homes. They are taking people. They're killing people. This is totally obnoxious and and something that can't be tolerated and unfortunately it's

tolerated because the fact is that it continues and in most cases the ones that are arrested are the pal the victim Palestinians is not the the Israeli attackers and this is part of what I am campaigning against. Now question that that you have outlined is whether BB is uh captive by these guys is willingly captive. It's not something that he's fighting against that he's trying to stop. he is willingly captive by these messianic extreme fundamentalist right-wingers uh supporters of Jewish terror because uh it's true that this is the only probably the only escape he has

from what awaits to him but also because the fact is that for the last 15 years Netanyahu was the guy that ignored the Palestinian Authority which was a potential partner for peace negotiations and was supporting Hamas. The financing of Hamas through Qatar, but with the agreement, support and cooperation of the prime minister of Israel was the thing that changed the balance in Gaza and allowed the Hamas to build a network of tunnels and the infrastructure for war. So, this has been the policy of the prime minister of Israel for a long time. until the 7th

of October, it could be argued that somehow there was not an evidence of what may be the terrible outcome of this policy. But after the 7th of October, I think a large number of Israelis understand what was the tragic consequences of this reckless, irresponsible, preach policy of the Israeli prime minister. And finally, I have to say on this point that it's true that he is presently because he's captive by the right-wing Messianic groups and he still entertains a majority in parliament, he can carry on. But already now, according to all the polls that are run

almost on a daily basis, the majority of the Israelis, not only that they don't support him, they don't trust his motivation. They say explicitly and loudly that they think that he prefers personal considerations over the national interest of the state of Israel. And that's precisely why people like me in spite of the possible reactions by all kinds of oppositioners are prepared to step up, come forward and call it out by its name because it's a time that the international community will know that there are different voices from Israel. the voices of compassion, the voices of

compromise, the voices of peace, the voices of dignity, the voices of care for human lives also when they are not Israeli human lives, but also noninvolved Palestinians. Netanyahu won't do this, but should he resign? Should have resigned long ago. He should resign any moment. He should resign now while we speak. I think uh the the only contribution that he can make to the well-being of the state of Israel and perhaps also across the board for the Jewish people is for him not only to resign but to disappear from the landscape of our political and public

life. Finally, obviously America still holds a lot of sway with Netanyahu and the Israeli government. Um, should Donald Trump be doing more to stop him? Is he the only person that can actually stop Netanyahu? Now, uh, Mr. Morgan, I have to say I entirely agree with your judgment and I want to add something. You know, it is entirely irrelevant what people may have thought about Trump as a president. Whatever. I think that at this point he is the voice of restrain and of reason. And the impression that I have and I I must say I

I know all the previous presidents of the United States. I've known them for years. Him I don't know. I haven't had any contact with him ever. But he impresses me as the only guy at this point that can make a change of direction which will be enormously helpful to the real national interest of the state of Israel. He has to understand at this point that the the most significant expression of support for the state of Israel and the Jewish people is by him summoning Netanyahu into the Oval Office, put him on a seat that Netanyahu

likes very much together with him in front of the cameras and tell him Netanyahu enough is enough. He can do it and it will be supported by the entire international community. Uh President Macron, Prime Minister, uh Chancellor Mertz, all the others, Prime Minister Khani from Canada, all of them already spelled it out. It's now time for President Trump with the enormous power of persuasion that he possesses to say to Netanyahu, that's all. Enough is enough for the good of the people of Israel, for the good of the chances for peace with the Palestinians. Omar, thank

you very much indeed. I really appreciate you coming on Uncensored. Thank you, sir. Thank you. We're listening to what Israel's former prime minister had to say was retired Lieutenant Colonel and former ID spokesman Jonathan Conrius and the founder and CEO of the Young Turks, Chang Yugo. Welcome to both of you. Jonathan, we we've talked a lot since October the 7th on this show. And I've always admired the fact that you come on and you will sometimes to my eyes defend the indefensible, but you you give it a good go. Can you in all conscience defend

what has been happening since the implementation particularly of the blockade, which was effectively a sanctioned starvation program of many Palestinians. Yeah. Hello again, Pierers. Nice to be on. Um I will of course answer that but I think I I would like with your permission to reflect on what uh said because there are very grave accusations and I think the most important part of his politically motivated accusations which many Israelis probably would agree with some or other parts of it. But the substance of it and basically his ticket to the show is saying Israel is committing

war crimes. And when you asked him what what his evidence for this is and why he says such a grave thing, he brushed it by and he didn't substantiate it with everything. And I think that's worthy of pause. And if we want to be serious in the discussion here and not only have a internal Israeli political debate between two formal political rivals which is the context of Hud and Netanyahu then I think we have to be serious and I clearly today believe that while the IDF for sure has made mistakes on the battlefield categorically has

not been conducting war crimes and all the talk and hyperbole and nonsense and false claims and allegations and Hamas's media propaganda that we see up until this minute as we're speaking I think are fueled not by the pursuit of truth and not by anything that is um something that we should aspouse to but really motivated at trying to force Israel to its knees and to stop Israel from fighting and to for Israel not to be able to defeat defeat its enemy. Studies show that strength training burns more fat than cardio alone and is critical for

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powerfully denouncing what this government is doing. They're not even the same politics, the two Ehoods. So, you've got two recent former prime ministers of Israel who are condemning in the most strong language imaginable what your country's government is doing. That is the problem. It's not it's not outside voices. It's not it's not me. It's not Palestinians. It's not chang. I'm sure in a moment will respond in this normal inimitable fashion. This is two former Israeli prime ministers. Yes, these are two former Israeli prime ministers who have political vendettas against Netanyahu, which many Israelis share. I'll

put myself out of the context of the political situation. But I will say this, these two people have also been campaigning against Netanyahu before the war and during the war. And I know from personal experience that nothing gets you a redder carpet in international media than an Israeli hoping and gladly bashing Israeli politics. I've seen it and experienced it myself that the moment that I was willing to to criticize Israeli government or the IDF on TV, red carpets and open doors everywhere. The moment that I indicated that in fact I was not going to be

bashing Israeli politics and I was not going to slander the IDF or the Israeli government whether I agree in whole or I don't agree with the Israeli government or whether I feel that they represent me or not but I wasn't going to criticize it on TV. Then doors started closing and I think that what Aud is enjoying is that very warm embrace of the so-called international community which is happy to have an Israeli of importance critical of Israel and to give him a point of view and I think that is that is not entirely fair

and yes there are points that and Barak are making that are valid. I as an Israeli have questions and I am not happy with how long this war has been going on. I would have want wanted for us to decide the war a long time ago to have defeated kamas a long time ago to have started to distribute food and to do what we're doing now to have done that half a year or a year ago that would have hastened the demise of kamas that would have pulled the rug underneath the feet and that would

have alleviated civilian suffering in Gaza and I think that is what we should have been doing and my criticism to my government is what took you so long why didn't we do this earlier and why Didn't you, prime minister, and the cabinet create the conditions, the international conditions necessary to do this earlier? Why have my fellow countrymen been in kamas captivity for more than 600 days? And I think there's a lot of criticism in Israel towards the decisions by the Israeli government, but I think that and Barak are politically motivated and they should be taken

into the context of political rivals of Netanyahu. Okay, Chenk Yugi been waiting very patiently, albeit your facial expressions have revealed that you're not entirely agreeing with everything you've just heard. So, over to you. Yeah, of course, what he's saying is total nonsense. Um, and uh I mean I if I understood him correctly, he said that he would have started starving the Palestinians a year and a half ago. What a humanitarian. Um, all right. I I agree completely with Ehood Omar. Uh I I saw him in in Europe a couple of months ago. Uh he's uh

actually working on a peace plan that I think is very very workable and doable. They could probably get it done immediately if they actually wanted peace. In fact, MRE was also the only person who offered a real and and decent peace plan back in 2008. So, uh, currently the the real question here, and you touched on it a little bit in your interview, Piers, uh, but but we really don't talk about it nearly enough is what is the goal of the Israeli government. So, the goal, I don't think, is just genocide for genocide's sake. Uh,

they're doing the genocide and the ethnic cleansing to steal Gaza. So, you can call it a different word. You can say acquisition, conquest, as they have in their Knesset and in their cabinet meetings. They say, "We're going to conquer Gaza." They have a map of greater Israel. And right now, by the way, they're in southern Lebanon and Western Syria. So, they keep attacking, conquering, killing, starving. And all the while, by the way, in the West saying, "We're the victims." I mean, look at all these Arab countries we invaded and took their land and subjugated their

people for 58 straight years. But you see how we're the victims. and and this brother over here is claiming that the red carpet rolls out for you if you criticize Israel. Well, brother, I got news for you. That's not what happens in America at all. Uh you potentially get arrested, deported, cancelled, your job career prospects are nullified, and and people like Bill Aman proudly say, "I have a blacklist of anyone who dare to oppose Israel, and I will make sure they never get a job in Wall Street." It's disgusting. It's the exact opposite of what

he claims. And of course, if you ever dare to support innocent Palestinians, you'll get smeared in eight different ways. And so, look, are they going to conquer Gaza and take it for themselves? And this was never about self-defense, or are they, oh, so worried about terrorism, and they can't wait to get out and get to peace? No, get real. The Israeli government has no interest in peace. They have blocked every single ceasefire deal on the premise that no, we will continue the war after the ceasefire. So, well, that makes no sense. Why would the other

side I want them to release the hostages. I think it's terrible what Hamas did on October 7th and terrible that they took hostages. But if you're being realistic, why would the other side say, "Yes, I'll give you the hostages back so that you could go back to murdering and slaughtering and conquering Gaza 60 days later." That makes no sense at all. So we have to resolve and the Israeli government must be asked over and over again because they've already declared it publicly. What is the So there's actually no question about it whatsoever. This is not

a war of defense. This is a war of conquest. I didn't say that. The Israeli government said that. So let's call them out for who they are. They're empire who has done terrorism to seize land and they've starved people to death. It's like the Germans going into the Sudatan land. Let's be honest about it for once in our lives. Beam's creatine is America's number one and it's made by a company founded on values like hard work and delivering real results. Creatine is often dismissed as just for bodybuilders, but the truth is that it's one of

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for uh for Israel. Um she emphatically denied what we'd all heard with our own ears. Uh she then emphatically denied that Israel killed any children. She then told me exactly how many Hamas terrorists the IDF had killed, 30,000. But she couldn't tell me even a ballpark figure of how many children had been killed in the process, which I found a quite extraordinary uh response where she knew one figure very precisely, almost like the IDF only count the Hamas terrorists they kill. They don't count any of the civilians they kill, which I just do not believe.

Uh and if it is true, that seems uh despicable to me. U but she was in complete denial. And you know my original question for you before you responded to what the former prime minister said was when you see a a policy of a blockade which can only be construed for what it is which is a policy of starving the people of Gaza and we're now seeing these terrible scenes where food arrives and thousands of Palestinians race and fight each other to try and get it. And I don't know who killed them and wounded them

the other day. I know it was reported by Reuters and others that it was IDF. The IDF emphatically denied it. Uh they said it must have been Hamas and so on. We don't know. But the main reason we don't know, Jonathan, which is another of my massive bug bears about this, is that the IDF still refuses to let international journalists go and do their job and verify this stuff for themselves. Uh unlike in every other war zone there's ever been. So for a number of reasons, this Israel government's policy right now has completely lost people

like me that were very prepared, as you know, and as Chen knows, for a long time to defend Israel's right to defend itself. This has gone way past defending the people of Israel. This has moved now, this has moved now to taking control of Gaza, kicking all the Palestinians out, starving civilians if necessary for the last 3 months. And when it comes to the killing of children, there have been an estimated I don't know the exact number, but an estimated 20,000 or more children have been killed in this war so far. For Israel to deny

that is to deny the obvious, isn't it? Okay. So, a lot to unpack. I would like to respond to what uh Chenk said before but I think you you touched upon an issue which I think is key and that is the whole human the the issue of intention one issue and the second one being the humanitarian one. Now, I'll remind you and Chen, and I'll remind everybody watching that Israel was not occupying Five Points in southern Lebanon, was not deploying troops in southwestern Syria along the Israeli border, and definitely did not have any troops inside

Gaza on October 6th. We were attacked from all those fronts by various terrorist organizations that very clearly sought to conduct genocide of Israelis in their homes. And I think this is a question and I think that I completely agree. Yeah. I think we should recognize this course and I and I think we should recognize it because that is how we started. Second thing with comments that Minister Matales Mage did or didn't make. I've heard many of his comments and I'll tell you that personally I do not agree with many of them and I would say

that while he as a minister and as member of a cabinet certainly has influence based on the actions on the ground by the IDF in almost in almost a year and a half of fighting. I wouldn't say that that is the real policy enacted on the ground. I will not deny that there are parts of Israeli society democratically elected that espouse certain types and have certain feelings towards Palestinians. I do not think that that is what the IDF is executing on the ground because have that been but Jonathan hang on Jonathan hang on just on

that point on that one point I want to touch on humanitarian let's come to that let me just jump in I need to challenge you when I you say something that gets my hackles up the idea the IDF is not pursuing this policy when the IDF is systematically destroying Gaza you know 70% of Gaza reportedly has been destroyed again these This cannot be completely. Well, there's good reason for it. Pierce. Well, hang on. Hang on. I'm going to come. There's good reason. But when you destroy Hang on, Jonathan, let me finish. When you destroy 70%

of a place like Gaza and you reduce the the population to a shuffling herd of people move from pillar to post with no home who are being bombarded on a nightly basis by the IDF from the air who are as we saw last week that's a family of nine children out of 10 killed in one of these air strikes and you're starving them in a three-month blockade. Right? You put it all together. No, we're not stoping. Hang on. Everything you said, I agree, but we're not stopping. Okay, we'll come to that. And I want to

I want to speak about the humanitarianism. Okay. And you can when when I just finished the point. You say, you know, Smodri may or may not have said this. He indisputably said what we heard him say, and he's not just any old minister. He's the finance minister for the Israeli government. He's one of the most powerful people in the country, and he's been one of the most vocal people in that government from the start of this war. So the idea he's not a driving influence for this government is for the birds. No, I don't think

so. And I think that yes, I as I said and acknowledge he definitely has influence and I will agree with you, I'll correct myself. He has significant influence over Israeli politics and over the stability of the Israeli coalition. Having said that, when I judge and when I analyze what the IDF has been doing on the ground, I can explain and justify very easily why so many structures in Gaza have been destroyed and it is directly linked to military necessity. Each and every house that Israeli troops have encountered has had military infrastructure in it. each and

every mosque, each and every hospital, some not all that simply cannot be Jonathan. That cannot be true. It cannot be true that every single disappears. You're saying that Hang on just to be clear. No, not every single You said every house they have encountered in Gaza has contained military infrastructure. That is obviously not true. Obviously, you know, based on what, Pier, I can tell you the fact based on the fact that there have been thousands of civilians killed in homes with no military infrastructure. I I I would disagree with you and I would say this.

the amount the percentage of so-called civilian houses in Gaza that Hamas has used either for the placement of weapons or for the location of fighters otherwise known as terrorists or for infrastructure or for collecting intelligence is tremendous. You wouldn't I I understand that you refuse to believe it because the numbers How can we believe it when you won't let when the RDF won't let journalists or the government won't let journalists from outside of Gaza go in to examine this stuff? Check your response to this. Peers here, you and I are in agreement. Well, yeah, but

it it remains it remains it remains a scandal that international journalists are prohibited from going in. It is a scandal and it makes it very hard to believe frankly anything that the IDF now say because how can we verify it and they launch their own inquiry. You know what I think is a scandal pers? Well, go on. I I think what is a scandal is how international media including in the last 36 hours have been taking and regurgitating kamas propaganda and talking points and reporting the truth. And in your introduction, in your introduction, okay, but

I didn't. All I said in your introduction, Pierce, you made a very correct I think you made a very connection between events in Israel and events in the US and in Western Europe where we see anti-Israeli propaganda and hatred spewed in international media. We see the results in real world. Yes. Yeah. And by the way, I haven't heard you, Mr. champion and progressive leader condemn any of the terrorist attacks against Israelis. Let me ask that very question of the terrorist workers. Look, Jonathan, I gave you a long a long chance to respond. Well, check would

you like first of all to address that point? Well, by the way, do I get a half an hour to respond to all of his nonsense, but go ahead. Go ahead. Well, first of all, your response to the attacks that have been happening on Jewish people in America. Yeah, it's disgusting. It's immoral. It's stupid. It's counterproductive. I I loathe it. Uh, so I I'm for peace. I'm against You didn't waste 5 minutes to write about it on Twitter or to speak about it. You didn't waste a minute to speak about it out of your own

valition. No, you didn't. I've checked before coming. This genocidal freak has talked for half an hour straight. And peers, do you see how every time I go to talk, the Israeli propagandist talk over me on your show? You must let him respond. They speak for 30 minutes and then when I go to speak, they talk over me. Let speak. You think you're being dison respond, please. No, I'm not going to take shut up from you. I mean, you're being so ironic and you sit on high horses and Okay, here we go. Do you see? Do

you see this? This is Israeli propaganda. I'll remain calm, but understand that every time I Israeli propagandist that you bring on continue to talk over me because you've now done it every single time. Unless you get the Israeli propagandist to stop talking. Let Cheng speak cuz he he let you speak. Jonathan Chen. Okay. So, he's obviously trying to defend the terrorism of Israel. They have killed over 20,000 children. So, are they the most incompetent military in the world? Oh, golly gee, we missed 20,000 times. Or are they doing it on purpose? Hiding behind. You remember

in the beginning of the conflict? So, here we go. Here we go. Okay. So, do you remember in the beginning of the conflict when they pretended to be outraged that there was an accusation that Israel had hit a hospital and they're like, "How could you say this? Israel would never do such a thing." They have now destroyed 20 out of the 22 hospitals in Gaza. Totally leveled them. You remember in because they want to make life unlivable in Gaza because they are terrorists. That is part of the reason why that I abhore violence. I hated

what happened on October 7th. He makes it sound like October 6 was perfectly lovely. No, October 6 is when that Israel continued to have a 57year brutal occupation of the Palestinians, demeating and and and in basically enslaving the Palestinians for 58 years now. When are you going to let them go? You have 5 and a half million hostages. those Palestinians under the thumb of despotic Israeli rule. So now Smotrich says, "Look, we were happy starving them to death, and I that's the what I would like to have done, but it it's bad optics for us.

So we have to bring them to the brink of starvation so that the West will continue to let us do what we're doing, which is the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Gaza." These are indisputable facts. Now, and when you include women, they killed over 30,000 innocent women and children, a stadium full of dead bodies brought to you by the IDF. The IDF is murdering those people every day. By the way, they've killed a dozen Americans. And both the Biden administration and the Trump administration goes, "Ah, Americans." A 14-year-old boy who grew up in New Jersey,

was just murdered by the IDF in the West Bank. And both Trump and Biden go, "As long as the money's coming in from Apac, I'll let you murder any American you like, I'll let you murder any Palestinian you like." And let's be honest. Hey, brother. You Why, Jonathan, why don't you tell me here? I'll let you talk now and give your BSI Israeli propaganda as you claim that the worldwide media and the US media are too harsh on Israel. They've given Israel a pass on everything. If they held Israel to the same standard as Hamas

right now, the whole world and the whole media would do nothing but condemn Israel. They have killed over 400 times the number of children that Hamas has killed. The IDF is the biggest terrorist in the world right now. So tell me, are you going to take Gaza and prove me right that this was always a genocidal attack on Palestinians to steal their land, or are you going to withdraw from Gaza and go to a two-state solution? I want a safe and peaceful Israel. I want a safe and peaceful and independ I somehow I doubt that

you doubt that you want to steal. You plan to steal Gaza. Answer the question. Do say do you want to steal Gaza? Are you going to give Gaza back to the Palestin Israel of Jews living in their ancestral homeland where they have 3,500 years of documented archaeological history? I doubt that this is your real motivation because as I said, I think you are untruthful. If you would have cared about the lives of Americans, you would have condemned the terror attack on a Christian American who happened to be working at the Israeli embassy and you would

have said that these Palestinian terrorists or Palestinian induced terrorists are horrible and despicable and harmful and all of the other window dressing words that you know but you would have done it out of your own vocation and you didn't because you don't believe in it and because you sir are actually he has condemned it. I I don't know whether you've been reading Cheng's look at X right now. I don't know whether you've checked his X feed, but Jonathan, he has condemned all of these attacks. I've seen it. Cheng has condemned them all. Simply not. I've

actually checked before I came online and I haven't seen you enough. You asked about Gaza. Yeah. Yeah, you asked about Gaza. What I think will happen in Gaza, and I'll tell you now, we're uh in June 2025. I think that for the coming months, maybe a year or two, my assessment is based on military logic is that the IDF will indeed conquer and hold the Gaza Strip as no surprise here is what happens usually at the end of main combat operations in any war, the winning side, which despite what you and many other people want,

will be Israel. Israel will defeat Hamas and Israel will take and hold over that piece of terrain and for a transition period which I as an Israeli hope will be as short and as benign as possible. Yes, a transition period just like the allied powers did in Nazi Germany after the Second World War and just like many other winning militaries have done at the end of main combat operations. There is always a transition period. at the end of that transition period. I hope there will be independent Yes. I hope for there to be independent Palestinian

governance that isn't Hamas and that isn't the PA that supports and funds terrorists and give them stipens but other type of Palestinian government that says our goal in life is to care about Palestinian children. Our goal in life is the future and the future prospects of us as a people and the region. That is what I hope that this war will bring about. I fear that it will take many months and probably years until we see the early signs of that happening. But I hope and I'm pretty confident that I we will not see any

Israeli No because I want to I I I'm truthful and I'm I want to I keep it forever. Your transition for years and years and years and your standard is until they love all Israelis, we will enslave them and take their land. That's the Israeli answer at all times. The only ones that had genocidal attacks. You just said it. You're going to take Gaza. You just said it. You're going to take Gaza and you're going to keep it for years and years. You just said it. You just said it. Your whole point was always offensive

war to take Gaza and slaughter the Palestinians so you could take more land. How much land are we going to let Israel take with our money? With our money. Hey, why don't you give us the 300 billion back? Give me the 300 billion back. I don't want to fun genocide. I'm an American taxpayer. Give me the goddamn money. Funding anything. You You if you're doing anything, you're not funding. Yes, I am. I'm unfortunately doing air for sick brothers and sisters. You are giving and you are facilitating terror attacks against Jews. That's the only thing that

you could be held accountable. Nonsense. But I don't think you're literally murdering Palestinian cheering it on as we speak. You love violence. You absolutely love violence. Believe in violence. And by the way, you're the person who causes attacks like All right. Let me ask Let me ask you a question. All right. Time out. Time out. Time out. I want to ask Jonathan a question. Jonathan. Jonathan. From Jonathan. From a military from a military perspective because I know that's an area of expertise for you. From a military perspective, it seems to me that the mission statement,

I mean, you say you think this is all going well and they're going to win the war and they're going to take over Gaza and so on. I didn't say it's going well, Pierce, and I was very I don't think it's going well at all. Apart from anything else, the most powerful military in the Middle East has been incapable of dismantling a bunch of terrorists now for 20 months. Hamas is still very much alive and well. The remaining hostages have not been freed, which of course is disgraceful, and of course they should be. But the

bombardment continues. Twothirds of Gaza is now in ruins. Presumably the rest will be reduced to rubble if this carries on as well. And yet all the intelligence that the American military are getting is that actually far from eliminating Hamas, all that's been happening is for every Hamas terrorist who's been killed, the ideology has been replaced by four or five more people, which seems to me to be an abject failure. If that is even happening at half the rate, then you're creating more of a problem going forward for Israel security than you had at the start

of this. How how could any of this be construed as a military success? Well, as I said before, I am not happy and so are many other Israelis with the pace and the actions of this war and in how long it has taken for Israel to defeat Hamas. And uh I you know I've heard reports and I've seen them circulated by all kinds of uh people with political interest usually not those aligned with Israel who who quote those reports and I've seen conflicting reports. I I'd say this. I I would have wanted for this war

against Hamas to be swifter, for less Israelis to have been wounded, for us to have been much more successful in releasing and rescuing our hostages earlier, and for our negotiations to have been much better and prioritizing the release of hostages faster, and I would have wanted Kamas defeated at a lower cost for the civilian population in Gaza. Sadly, we are 600 days after Hamas's attack on Israel, where my people have been held as hostages. And yes, people in Gaza have been suffering, and I would like to see that suffering end quicker than it has been

going on. But if you ask me, what do I want to see more? What I want to see is for Israel to emerge victorious and to defeat Hamas. to defeat Hamas and to protect Israelis living around the Gaza area and for that area to be safe. As long as Hamas exists, it won't be safe for Israelis. And Israel cannot stop until Hamas is defeated. And what I think is so extremely sad and cynical is that there's such a big chorus and an alignment of organizations and countries who claim to be supporting the Palestinians, but by

supporting Hamas, what they do is that they're just extending the war. They're extending the suffering. Instead of helping Israel distribute food, they're obfuscating it. Instead of helping Israel crush Hamas and defeat them and get the war done and over with, they're making it they're forcing Israel to work slower and to take longer time in order to defeat them. At the end of the day, the truth is that Hamas has to be defeated. Hamas has to be defeated for there to be any kind of future, positive future for Israelis and also for Palestinians in Gaza. There

is no future for Palestinians in Gaza as long as Hamas is there and the sooner organizations and leaders and media pundits and self-appointed humanitarians understand this and get with supporting Israel instead of supporting indirectly supporting Hamas, the better it will be for Palestinians. All right, Chen, your response. Yes. So, uh, if you remember Piers, long time ago, you asked me right in the beginning of the conflict, what would I do instead? and I talked about sending in special forces into Gaza, but then you make a peace deal with the Palestinian Authority and use them to

drive out Hamas from Gaza. So, nobody wants Hamas in Gaza. So, that's just pure Israeli propaganda, right? So, and is there a way to do that? Now, actually, uh over 50 countries in the Arab League have said, "We will help to do that. Drive out Hamas from Gaza and we will pay for the reconstruction of Gaza." And Israel doesn't want it. They say no to every single peace deal. Why? Because they don't want peace. So this brother admitted that yes, they plan on taking Gaza. That was the point all along. And then he says this

absurdity about maybe many, many, many years later, if the Palestinians are good boys and girls and have now declared their love and allegiance for their occupiers, then we will give it back. That's obviously a joke. They're never ever going to tell you. The whole point of this was to steal that land because it appears I told you that from day one and when I said they were going to take Gaza, people said, "Oh, no, that's ridiculous. They're not going to take Gaza." Now they admit we are going to take Gaza. But the most important part

of this, I've been saying this since January. They set up this undoable standard. It's no news. Okay, let's John. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Jonathan, let me finish. So they say until we finish Gaza, we have to keep going and we have to take more of their land and ethnically cleanse them more. So, but how do we know? It's a purposely undoable standard. How do we know if all of Hamas is dead? First of all, they don't allow any journalists in, as you pointed out. In fact, they've murdered more journalists than all other conflicts in the world

combined. And it's not an accident. There's sniper shots there, by the way, against the Palestinian America American citizen journalist. a sniper shot from hundreds of yards away, shot her in the neck to murder her. So, they murder journalists. They don't allow international journalists in because they don't want you to know this has nothing to do with self-defense. We were right all along. The whole was to take Gaza. And their excuse is Hamas is never finished. Since Hamas is never finished and we never agreed to a ceasefire or a peace deal that would push Hamas out,

we have to keep murdering Palestinians and Hamas made us do it. Hamas didn't make you do it. You are morally responsible for the genocide, the terrorism, and the ethnic cleansing that you celebrate now, Jonathan. And you're talking about taking that land, and you're doing it for greed and your empire. You are not doing it to help Israeli citizens and keep them safe. And in fact, it makes Israel so much less safe because guys like this go, "No, I want more land and I want conquest." as he's got blood dripping from the corner of his mouth

and then telling us about how he's against terrorism. You're supporting mass liable. We've run out of time. I will let you just respond quickly to these are anti-semitic tropes. These are blood. Let me just ask you one question. I know. Jonathan support the murder thousands of Palestinian children. Hang on. You made your point. To speak about bigotry. You made your point. But Jonathan, the problem you have when you try and say the plan is not to take everything over is right in the middle of all this last week with Israel being branded a global pariah

by many people with two former prime ministers coming out condemning what they see as war crimes and so on. Right in the middle of this, a story comes out out of nowhere that the Israeli government has sanctioned 22 new settlements in the West Bank. Settlements that are widely considered by the international community to be illegal. If that isn't a a a land grab, then what is it? I'll tell you what I think many Israelis believe that it is. And I think this crosses a few political divides in Israel. And I'm sure that viewers will find

this quite interesting. What many Israelis believe that that is is that is a response to terror attacks against Israelis. And many Israelis feel specific after October 7, specifically after October 7 is that sadly there's very little currently very sadly little currently to be debating with Palestinians because their true nature whether it is Gaza You could just kill them in Judea and Samaria what you call the West Bank many of them have been as people occupiers as the langu language of land acquisition of an imperial empire. I think you should be ashamed for their land acquisition.

Your your monologue was a textbook monologue of the lowest kind of cheap old used anti as you murder 60,000 civilians despicable. You're lecturing mem for terrorism put on a beneath this show. It is beneath any respectable show. And the fact that you continue to say that terrorist what you said what you said is despicable. I think you should be held accountable with many others for you conquering God and murdering all those conducive environments terrorists all around the world that you're murdering children. You're murdering people of women and children. It's despicable. Oh, that's anti-semitic to point

out when you say all these liable fact about Israel. It's anti-semitic is that you have what you're driving. I'm going to bring this to an end now in virtually on your hands when you repeat these things. No, you have literally blood, brother. You're drenched from head to toe. I'm not drenched in anything. If anything, I defend my country. The only thing that I could be accus you defend. Listen, you guys shouting at each other for fighting violence against Jews. All right, I'm going to have to end it there. Yeah, he's right. I'm going to end

it there. But thank you both. This guy wants to kill as many Palestinians as humanly possible. He's a terrorist and I should not have on your show. He's totally covered in his blood of Palestinian children and women happily murdered. Gentlemen, I'm going to have to leave it there. We have literally for Palestinians. Chang, we've run out of time. I wish we had longer. We don't. But I appreciate you both coming on on censored. Thank you very much. Shalom. Stop murdering Palestinians. Yeah, right. Go be truthful, you bigot. Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent. The only

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