The Kanye 'Ye' West Interview With Piers Morgan

yay thank you very much indeed for joining Piers Morgan uncensored my first question for you I guess is an obvious one what do you hope to achieve from our conversation uh that right there being uncensored in American Media it's very censored it's it feels like an episode of Black Mirror a lot of times so I've put myself across the line the point the point of no return saying hey I know they're going to say whatever they want about me when I bring up the truth they're gonna say you didn't get enough sleep it's because of

your health they're going to call me names for my truth but these experiences that I'm telling you about are factually things that I've went through and things that I refuse to keep going through and things that I'm not going to let my children go through and things that I'm not going to let my peers go through no pun intended well look we are most certainly uncensored on this show yeah and I want to give you the time and the platform to really explain yourself because I think that sometimes sound bites about people uh perhaps taken

out of context sometimes can create a very distort view of what a person really thinks what do you think looking back over the last few weeks in particular what do you think have been the biggest misconceptions about you well I think there's a left agenda to silence anyone that goes against the agenda let's go back to Trump running for office back in 2015 everyone that was around me in my industry in the entertainment industry told me that my life would be over I would be on the wrong side of History I've even had threats to

my life for wearing the Trump hat and it even ended up in you know destroying my family and also making it where I have to raise my children differently because I actually am uh a person that's classified as black you know I classify myself as Jew but a person has classified that had been given that title in America as black in America that I'm supposed to stay in a block of a vote you never heard the term white vote so why is there a term black vote how is that okay it sounds just as racist

as a black drinking fountain and I'm my dad you know called me he said you know the thing that the left fear about yay or makes me the most dangerous is I'm rich and that's the point Tupac told me back in the days you know you got to get your money right and then you go to war so I'm going to war you know I don't I don't have I don't have endless resources I only have like maybe you know honestly only maybe 120 million dollars in my account but what I'm not gonna let happen

is I'm not going to let my kids take over Yeezy someday and have a boardroom telling them what to do and talking behind their back I'm not going to let that happen to my children so I have to fight right now and the other powerful icons in black music when they are at the top of the game they didn't fight at that point they were too afraid of losing whatever they had so by the time they wanted to make a difference by the time Bill Cosby wanted to buy NBC he didn't have the Cosby Show

at that time to be able to stand up when they wanted to literally throw him in jail you know where they actually did throw him in jail so people have to understand just The Bravery there's so many people everywhere I know everyone can relate to being afraid to say what you're going to feel because you feel like you're gonna you know you're gonna lose something so whether you agree with me or not I believe people are going to feel the fact that someone is brave enough to say something every day I do five things that

people have been historically killed for and every day and it's just yo I want to prove first of all I am Jew also the 12 lost tribes of Hebrew do the math do your research on it we have got our culture ripped from us and then told we were just simply void of color which is another definition for black but if we knew we were a culture and knew we were a people the way the Jewish people know then we wouldn't abort ourselves we wouldn't shoot each other dead in the streets and then rap about

it we wouldn't brag about you know having sex with each other's wives we would keep our families together and we would do business together the most dangerous person for a most dangerous place for a black person in America is actually in our mother's stomachs because 50 percent of black deaths a year in America is abortion currently I mean I can keep going but I want to make it hey boom I don't want to jump in too much because I here's what I honestly think I think you have an extraordinary mind you have a number of

extraordinary talents you're a musical genius you're a fascinating public figure uh what has been interesting to me is to watch the fury which has erupted in the last few weeks over a series of statements that you've made which of course as you know a lot of offense and I guess before I get into them I'm just curious as to whether you think there is a line for free speech I listen I completely agree with you that there is a war against free speech that people are you know treading on eggshells all the time terrified of

expressing honestly held opinions in case they get canceled I think we're living in a really Insidious era where Liberals are behaving like fascists so on that you have absolutely my agreement but my question for you is do you believe there are limits to free speech and if they are what are they there are no limits to free speech it's all context right Tarantino can write a movie about slavery where actually him and Jamie they got the idea from me because the idea for Django I pitched to Jamie Foxx and Quentin Tarantino as the video for

gold digger uh and then Tarantino turned into a film but in that film he puts a contact he he creates a context where Leonardo DiCaprio is allowed to use the word most multiple times within that context so Hollywood's job is to frame things and they allow what context what what content is accepted and what's not we have our thoughts that you know everyone has thoughts and ideas and then people try to manipulate your thoughts and ideas in order for Humanity to move forward we have to be free to think and then to actualize I like

the word actualized better than execute if you think about executes the negative negative word actualized to be more positive except for the fact that has the word act in it and everyone's an actor especially in Hollywood I mean as I'm like top five writers in human exist in human history so I really get into the way the Power of Words and I feel very akin to Capote Freud Nikolai Tesla Da Vinci Matisse more Matisse than Picasso more African cubism than Matisse so I just do that I thought that's kind of for the Liberals and that's

the funny thing it's like uh liberals when you say you're more when you say you're more matistan Picasso as somebody who's a fan of Matisse and Picasso she'll spend a lot of time in in Santa Bay where they all used to paint together um why do you say a Matisse what is it about Matisse that you feel an affinity with I think I feel like Drake is more Picasso and yay is more Matisse when we talked about and when me and Drake went to do the show last year uh for a prison reform and to

bring awareness to the uh incarceration of Larry Hoover I sent him articles about the relationship of Matisse and Picasso and the need for these people you you need to have that you know I need to go into the bar and go to Starbucks that's a you know that's a form of a modern day bar right and just hear Drake's song playing back to back and Drake needs to go into that same Starbucks just in a different city and see people wearing Yeezys and it puts us both back into the studio and you know God sets

up these almost similar characters these doppelgangers it makes me it makes me really realize God has a sense of humor like why is uh John Gagliano and Marc Jacobs the exact same human being just just place in a different place or why uh does God have it where Bernard Arnold cannot purchase Gucci not even through the Chinese market God does this to remind us that we are not God because when you take people like Elon Musk and Bernard Arno and uh Trump or uh Jack ma uh Putin you take these people in their own space

in their own environments you know we can start to feel like God's on Earth but we are nothing in comparison to God and we are here actually to love one another and to to collaborate and to make the world a better place there's you know one percent of the world are placed in power and 99 of the world are the audience so that one percent of the world this idea of the United Nations this is the world that needs to come together this is the world that I mean here's the obvious go-to Biden doesn't listen

to Elon Musk the president of the United States does not have meetings with Elon Musk that is hey here come come come get me that's [ __ ] I know I'm not supposed to say that Biden but that's [ __ ] Biden and and I've you know it's um and obviously because I've been deemed with mental health all this I have the right to use whatever words that I like to use well that's interesting so somebody ask another question well yeah let me ask you on that so you just you just said something very inflammatory

about President Biden it will as you know offend a lot of people and it will particularly offend people who work in mental health you say you should not use a word like [ __ ] but you say that because you yourself have had mental health issues that entitles you to use that kind of word as an insult now I would say that's an arguable Point I've had my issue my issue is I've had mental health allegations so do you believe that you have any form of mental illness I believe that I suffered from exhaustion I

believe that I suffered from exhaustion I suffered from being lied to constantly by the people around me and I believe those things can drive anyone to a point of Maximum exhaustion but I also believe that I'm extremely brilliant and I'm here to make the world a better place and I'm tired of the left media trying to pick on me and y'all picked on me enough and y'all y'all finally touched the person that's not going to stand that's not going to take it anymore and that's part of the reason why I'm on uncensored because what they'd

like is for me to be quiet interesting thing about racism and cancer culture is kind of similar right it racism works on itself I can go into the Gucci store age 18 and I just assume that people think that I'm about to steal so I buy more things with cancer culture when I brought Marilyn Manson on stage with me when he was dealing with allegations my stepbrother Marilyn was canceling herself within so many people comment on my white lives matter t-shirt there's people who are saying right there in Fashion Week when are you going home

I'm so afraid people thought I was going to cancel myself I'm not going to cancel myself I'm going to keep on delivering what I feel because guess what it's very split opinions by the way if I talk to a black person that makes under a million dollars a year they really are they really relate to the George Floyd comments and feel hurt that I would even uh bring it up and question the approach they have multiple documentaries on the death of JFK but we're just supposed to believe this one media Outlet version that prayed on

our trauma and our pain and then if I talk to Rich black people uh or white people Jew or Catholic or atheists they're really into the Jewish media com uh comment because it affects their business interests okay well it was really interesting let me just pick you up on the two things you've mentioned the first one is what you said about George Floyd and the reality of that it's not a media interpretation of how he died because the Hennepin County chief medical examiner concluded that Floyd died from cardiopulmonary arrest his heart stopped Complicated by the

way the police restrained him and compressed his neck now he also said there were other contributing conditions let me finish there were other contributing conditions narrowed arteries high blood pressure and Fentanyl intoxication but although these were significant conditions he said and things that played a role in the death they didn't directly cause the death the cause of death was what that policeman did with his name well why would a coroner lie what makes you believe that why would the current a lie because he could get paid to lie because he could get paid to Lobby

yeah I watched it I watched it the majority of the press right but I watched it for eight minutes now tell me this have you seen the the Candace Owens BLM documentary I have watched uh some of that documentary but here's what I would say to you when you watch that video of George Floyd no it's not a butt it's not it's that I'm not going to watch I I know I know what you said I'm gonna finish I know what it means be quiet and let me finish Bobby you did interrupt my question so

with the BLM no I wasn't I wasn't finished your present agenda you haven't seen the whole thing so we can have 20 different perspectives on how JFK died but us as black people not only are can we only vote one way we're not allowed to have any other perspectives and that the area for George Floyd where he passed the murder rate is up 50 percent and nothing this is so-called movement but it didn't move blacks anywhere right now listen a young person I will say there are legitimate questions about the black lives matter movement no

question but on the specific point about how George Floyd died I don't think it's in question about what actually killed him it was that police officer with his name what it is in question it isn't it is in question I'm questioning person what you're questioning is it hey are do you do you have friends that were killed by police officers do you have friends that were locked up do you have friends do you have uh people aborting half your race no so I am the black person with the black experience that's worth 11 billion dollars

and is the most influential person on the planet and I am questioning it okay you will have a right to question absolutely you can't tell me you can't tell me you can't tell me with your accent that me as an American Jew black person that I cannot question that deaf and question the means he had I'm not I was put on camera traumatized I'm not feeling I mean so let me finish okay I'm not finished talking so we can't I cannot I see because you distract my thoughts and then you try to make me look

like a crazy person and you feel you have the right to cut me off and I've proven you you guys don't want it with me this is like Terminator 20. you've never seen this before you've never seen this before so I want no one to play with me I have the right to question because that videotape was used to traumatize my people and force us into the Democratic vote hey George Soros you're a real competitor I respect you I'm worth more money than you and I have more influence in you and have you know Pierce

Morgan from a different country saying well the uh I'm not going to do an English accent because that would be racist uh I'm funny by the way uh fine you can do that that's what I said to you the show is uncensored yet you can say what the hell you like right but that doesn't mean I can't pick you up on a few things right you accept that I accept that but you tried to say it is unquestionable because this one Dr faucy said this I know it wasn't Dr faucy but I'm just giving an

example where we hear from even Google like people feel like you know if you Google it it's factual there's so much non-factual information about me on Google but then I still believe Google and people pay to get certain information to the top of Google but this is good this is keep going what else you want to go with it the civil rights lawyer Lee Merritt responded to what you said about George Floyd's death and said while one cannot defame the Dead the family of George Floyd is considering suit which they're now doing as you know

they're suing you for 250 million dollars for yay's full statements about the manner of his death claiming Floyd died from fentanyl not the brutality established criminally and civilly undermines and diminishes the Floyd family's fight so what is your response to that will anybody who loses a loved one my heart goes out to them any race my heart goes out to the pain of that I have a theory about it now this is not a fact this is a feeling that I have in the documentary George Floyd's two roommates said that George kept saying they want

a tall guy like me they want a tall guy like me so for me I'm a creative right I can like make a dinosaur out of a femur right so if I'm making a dinosaur out of a femur and I'm looking at a documentary that says George Floyd was telling his two roommates they want a tall guy like me and on the day of his death he prayed for eight minutes they said he prayed longer than he ever prayed what do you think me as a creative mind the beautiful mind right the sensitive mind what

do you think I feel could have happened in that situation all right well honestly if I'm being honest with you I would say that because of your brilliant beautiful creative mind as you put in I don't dispute that at all you've got an extraordinary mind and I can see that in the way that you conduct interviews you go off on very long tangents but they're sort of fascinating I find it if I said listen to you I'm not saying you don't have a right these are like Capote I'm just saying it's it's a way you

you conduct yourself and I think that's very interesting well you mean it's I already know not why why is it oh it's not Capote level if you sort of if you would like this to compare you to Truman Capote I am fat I am happy to do that yay if you want to be known as the new Capote I'm with you okay I'm not going to question your talent your talent to me is completely unquestionable right when you question that the question about the femur to the dinosaur no I'm going to ask you a different

situation I'm just going to ask you this what no you're not you're gonna you're gonna know I didn't finish my question well hang on you can't tell me answer my question you can't tell me what questions to ask you you accepted you answer my question no I said answer my question no I'm interviewing you too well you can't interview me it's my interview your Bono I'm interviewing you too see that's the way we wrap it let me just no no let me just let me just put this so no no no no no no you're

trying to you no no no no no no no friends you're interrupting me now to it I'm gonna get back to it all right you can but let me ask you you haven't answered my question here's my question for you would you have an answer no I'm not answer don't don't answer my don't ask answer my question yeah I'm not answering anything I'm going back to my original question in a way which is simply this I'm not saying you don't have a right to question how George Floyd died but given the world watch that horrifying

video of that policeman's knee on his neck and given that is what the coroner said caused his death albeit he had other underlying conditions including fentanyl intoxication when the family see someone like you who's hugely influential you you're known around the world questioning how their loved one died they find that very hurtful which is why they're now suing you for it and my question for you is do you understand the pain that sometimes your comments can cause like this this circumstance with George Floyd's family now I'm going to ask you a question again with my

imagination if you see when you see in the documentary that George Floyd's two roommates said he said they want a tall guy like me they want a tall guy like me and that he prayed extra long on the day of his passing where do you think that takes my beautiful mind I think it can take you to a place where you want to believe something which may not be true I'm not saying it's not I'm just saying all the evidence answer my honest answer is I think that they wonder that was a that was a

political collection my honest belief my honest belief is it what do you guys do what do you I mean people in The Newsroom what are they doing they're like cringing right now they're like whoa no we never experience before no we never experience I'm not cringing black entertainer that won't be threatened by the media to back down from his opinion yeah I think you missed yourself like you must date me for somebody who's going to be like the others I have a show called uncensored for a reason I'm giving you a platform for a reason

but you're pressing an agenda no no I'm not you're perfectly entitled to your agenda but do you accept you may not always be right I just I I just called you I just called you a liar how does that make you that's fine if you think I'm a liar it's fine no you're a liar you're pressing the agenda of the pain and Trauma and Trauma economy that is pressed on my people by the left actually the trauma I think that was implemented to George Floyd was somebody a vile white racist police officer who need him

to his death and I agree with the coroner's findings because I don't see any reason why the coroner would invent that so that's my belief if you want to challenge that and you don't believe it that's entirely you're right I have a question who do you think are the biggest vowel white racist the media you think the media is racist what please next question please don't ask me any [ __ ] questions okay let me go to the the next Fury which has been around you in the last couple of weeks which is your attack

is that is that is that is that is that is that is that British for theory is that British for Theory what's Theory bro is that British for a theory you actually have quite a good British accent um let me ask you yeah if I can about the allegations that you have made anti-semitic comments and in particular when you said on Instagram I'm a bit sleepy tonight but when I wake up I'm going Defcon 3 on Jewish people now many people who are Jewish found that deeply offensive they wanted to know what what did you

mean by going Defcon 3 on Jewish people because deathcon 3 as you know is a heightened state of awareness for military action so what did you mean by that what was is your chance to clarify what you meant by Defcon 3 on Jewish people well thank you for allowing me to say what I meant due to the fact that I was blocked by Jewish people after I said that so it wasn't actually allowed to say what I was about to say uh but what I was gonna say is I was going to talk about all

of the contracts all of the missed dealings that I dealt with as an Entertainer being that I'm an Entertainer I've been wronged so many times by Jewish businessmen and the reason why I say people if a black man is caught in the car with drugs or a gun and there's three other black guys in the car with them guess what they're all going to jail so the reason why I say people is I want those businessmen's wives and fathers mothers grandmothers and kids to ask them why is yay so mad at us because they're taking

money out of my children's mouths and putting it into their children's mouths I'll give you this parallel in its analogy if you take you know I just talked to Irina Sheikh right and if you look at a picture of her at age 14 this person is beautiful like one of the most beautiful beautiful people that God has ever created right and if any man did her wrong at a young age she would get to the point where maybe she would actually hate men you've heard that terminology right so I'm in a point where I'm frustrated

I have the right to my anger and I'm saying that people need to fix it I'm not going to fix what I feel until what I'm feeling is fixed okay can I respond I'm just gonna shut me up and say no I'm not going to shut you up can I respond to what you just said my problem with what you've said I'll be straight with you is if I as a white man posted tomorrow on my Instagram I'm a bit sleepy tonight but when I wake up I'm going Defcon 3 on black people what would

you think do you no no if I said black people what would you think if that was what I posted what did you accept that black people you accepted that black people are Jews I'll come to that in a moment on the specific note if I simply said in other words all black people was the implication of what I said I would get rightly canceled I would get rightly vilified and abused you I suspect would be outraged by a white person saying such a thing because you wouldn't make any distinction about whether I was talking

about certain black business people I'd fallen out with or whatever you would think I was judging an entire populace by the color of their skin You Are by saying Jewish people on Jewish people you're not saying Jewish businessmen accountants whatever that you've had a problem with you're basically saying in that statement all Jewish people which is why it caused such offense and I'm curious whether you even as you wrote those words understood what Jewish people actually would feel when you said that and didn't make any uh specific references to any individuals maybe they would feel

how all my people have felt maybe they would feel the pain of when a black artist looks up and they've been completely they've completely been raped by five Jewish businessmen and there's multiple accounts why does the fact that they're Jewish have anything to do with it feel like that but why why would you say it just so happens they are well okay but I wouldn't I why categorize them according to their religious Faith their ethnicity why would do that why can't you just describe them as business people that you've dealt with that's fine but what

you're doing by saying Jewish people these constant tiradesier against Jewish people when did people find that because pirate that sounds like you have it I think it's a Time where's the tirade that was just that was a tweet it was a tweet um you asked me to explain it and that have you felt my pain yet you haven't felt my pain I've you don't want to feel myself I know you don't hold a counter la la la la la la la you don't hold accountability to my pain you're being a Karen I'm talking about I'm

talking to the pain I'm not a Karen I'm not going to cancel you and I'm not gonna uncens you I'm simply going to challenge you on what you're saying I think you don't understand the pain that you've been causing with some of these comments and I think that one in particular I can understand God God forbid God forbid one comment could cause people to feel any of the pain that my people have went through for years even like the blacks being ushered to the left during the Civil Rights Movement no one is cared okay no

no all right no one is can I I mean say I agree that the racism against black people has been utterly deplorable shameful unacceptable and thank God the world is beginning to move to a better place about the way people like you however however one form of racism doesn't justify I'm not cutting you off I'm finishing my sentence so you can respond once before racism racism it is racism when you say I'm going down that's racism no it's not I thought I thought I thought you I thought you had I thought you had a a

platform where I could explain how I felt you don't care about how I feel you just want to shut me up you don't want me to say out loud what my people have been going through I do or do I do I'm very happy so what if my people have been going through what what led me to that point is me a person a successful a successful influential extremely extremely extremely attractive person to get to that point I am not doubting for a moment that you will feel genuine pain about the racism against you and

other black people in America not for one second would I deny that racism by who by anybody I think racism of racism is wrong any form of racism is wrong I don't I I didn't say I didn't say Defcon or anybody though you said Defcon 3 on Jewish people specifically Jewish people you didn't say any particular Jewish person you said basically all of them that is racism yay and I think if you were honest with yourself give them the Fallout from this you would think again about how you phrase that sentence because actually you didn't

mean all Jewish people you didn't fall out given the Fallout in the Fallout do you care about the hurt because Jewish people fall out well you were removed from where is that you were removed from social media I I always said you're not allowing me to talk Chris okay Chris Oh I thought it was the same person he's American I'm British the um so the thing is I want to bring joy to the world I'm a composer right and this is a symphony our life is a symphony we have so many beautiful ideas but I

feel the anti-semite has been a wall a cloak that allows Jewish businessmen boom I'll only be the police officer that says hey this guy with the gun is the only person going to jail I'll be the first person that does that in history right so look no one else in this car riding with the guy with the gun and the drugs is going to jail are you happy I play by rules that are not played by for my people just for the sake of this I don't want you playing by anything that makes you happy

right I don't want I don't want you to say anything just to make me happy that's what colonizers do is give us rules I'm not trying to colonize you I'm not trying to sense you all I'm saying to you is when you use the phrase yay like I'm going Defcon 3 on Jewish people did you hear what I just said though yes I did we're past that we're past that in a conversation we're not positive did you hear what I just said we're not we're not past it unless I said our Focus let me explain

one are you happy that I said I know I heard when you do brother why are you talking over yeah let me let me respond yay Chris I'm Chris let's respond let me respond right I'm simply saying what you've just said is not what you said on your Instagram post and you know it right if you have a problem with particular businessmen what do you happen to be Jewish that is a concern for you and you know it so you talk about it all Jewish brother can we brother do you what is the point brother

do you want me to grow from the statement I just told you okay I was in a position where I've been hurt and this is the way I had the right to express myself the point of this interview is for you to question me and then for me to answer and say okay even though the same rules and not apply to my people if a person with a gun or drugs is pulled over and has four three other people in the car they're all going to jail I'm not going to apply that to Jewish people

for the sake of this conversation isn't that what you wanted but you know what you did you tried the Civil Rights me you tried to pull me back to a week ago but we're here today there's been plenty of Commerce conversations of commentary since that but you want me to go back to 1960.7 days ago let me jump in here's what I want you to do I want you to do okay so have we grown yes here's how we grow I want you to reflect have we grown I'm not in charge of my growth you're

not in charge okay like this I'm about to suggest to you how you may grow if you choose to grow this way and you can you can ignore me you can ignore me Pierce Pierce how much money are you worth not as much as you sadly exactly so take my advice maybe you'll get richer I would love to take your business why would I listen to you why do you why do you hear what my advice is and then work out if I'm wrong can we do that deal you haven't given me any credit or

a moment of reflection for the comparison that I made the brilliant if I do say so myself comparison that I made to the cops pulling over one black person and locking up you understand what you're saying my tweet having issues I wasted I wasn't done with the sentence my tweet referring to all Jewish people I said for the sake of this conversation I will refer to the business people who have destroyed me and my people and my fellow creatives but you didn't even accept that I gave you that you tried to push me back into

1960. no one tried to push me back into last week no I didn't okay if you accept that example that I gave you I understand completely the example you gave me I think all racism is wrong I just will that we've grown I would like you to reflect a few years we've grown if you feel if you've now changed what you wanted to say originally my question for you is do you now regret saying on Jewish people are you sorry you said that no nothing it matters you should be absolutely not you should be absolutely

not yeah but yeah you should be absolutely not are the are the people the Jewish businessmen that led me to that place are they sorry for the way they've raped me I don't know who you're talking about in particular but I don't know why you keep having to say it what is the fact that Jewish got to do with anything why do you keep what do you mean they're the Jewish businessmen that did that because business people that's what they do why do you keep saying Jewish business people why do you keep using their religion

their ethnicity why they keep doing that let me update it then okay okay so I'll say this would it be would would I have grown into the box you want me to go on if I say to specify the business people that have raped my people that just so happen to be Jewish I think what by doing what you've just done I find that I'm not even Jewish and I find that offensive why do you keep having to do that I don't think you get it at all I know you understand the offense you're causing

when you keep using their religious background their ethnicity so what does a stick to beat them with why would you do that so what are you more concerned about getting the richest black man of all time the cow tell because it's not going to happen I don't want you to count so you can do what the hell you like you're yay you're you know billionaire you can do whatever the hell you want I'm just I'm just saying to you that I don't think you quite understand when you talk about uh okay can I finish it's

not uh multi multi you're a multi-billionaire okay well congratulations but that doesn't change the fact that when you insult the Jewish people and say you're going Defcon 3 on the Jewish people that is as racist as anything you say you've been through and any pain that you've experienced it's the same thing racism is racism and you know that I think don't you yeah obviously that's why I said it so you said it knowing it's racist yes I fought fire with fire okay I'm not here to get holes down at least that's a different type of

freedom fighter that's honest all right you were racist because you knew it was racist but you decided to do that because people have been racist to you is that is that your position no I'm not I first of all I can't what is the beginning read the whole tweet I'm sure you have it in front of it somebody in your office has it get him a coffee and a yay tweet what do you want to know the whole tweet I want you to read it out loud sir I'm a bit sleepy tonight but when I

wake up I'm going Defcon 3 on Jewish people the funny thing is I actually can't be anti-semitic because black people are actually Jew also you guys are toy with me and tried to blackball anyone who opposes your agenda that was the exact tweet I like reading that whole thing I can't be anti-semite I love Jewish people I work with Jewish people yo watch this watch this some of my best friends are Jewish right so you know how that how many times have you heard that statement of course of course wait wait I've have we ever

heard that term before some of my but the funny thing is they are I work with Dove Charney that got kicked out of his company out of American Apparel I work with this guy every day he's like my twin he's one of my favorite people and the planet and we work through that we talked through and he says yay why are you so mad and I'm like this is why I'm mad this contract right here what's gonna happen before I'm done we're going to open up all of the music industry contracts all of the publishing

deals all of the athlete deals all of the acting deals all of the mortgages all of the deals but that's fine but yeah that's the business people who we went at that's all fun you can do it but it has to start somewhere of course you can do all that and when you do that it has to start somewhere I hope you won't be judged as a black business person doing it all the time that people don't phrase it all the time by the color of your skin but by your business Acumen isn't that what

you would like isn't that what equality actually means and of course I'll be judged by that because when people come into power people get judged you know what I'm saying like there's nobody that gets judged more than a straight white male the straight white male has the least amount of a platform to even speak a straight white male can't say my wife hurt me today because people say well you're hurting women a straight white male can't say hey a black employee didn't come in to work on time because then people will say your race is

a straight white male can't speak on a homosexual person because they'll say your home you're homophobic and so I empathize with the position of the straight white male and part of the reason why I empathize with that position is because I know that I'm headed to that position and what position that is that is top power position okay that's the top power position where you get all the Rocks thrown and that's that's the thing I have friends right that will like you know actually that's the reason why I'm going to be a good leader someday

because I'm really empathetic but I call black people out on their stuff I call white people out on their stuff because we're all people we're actually only one species and in order to whether it's my friends texting me like bro you got to get in the gym you're looking chubby in the photo you know it's like we have to hold each other accountable to what's actually happening and it's so much is based on you did that tweet wrong so what I will say is I feel that my words demand more sensitivity for the frequency that

I'm operating at and that and the amount of people that I'm communicating to and I take that responsibility right now but I will also say everything happens for a reason because if it had been perfectly worded in English and because there's nothing wider than English itself right I'm already not speaking in my mother tongue right so uh if I had perfectly worded it and the most sensitive way then we wouldn't be here right now now we're opening up the conversation like there I'm not allowed to say whether or not I'm running for office in 2024

but I'll tell you what if the left let's say the left the left would have never supported me anyway and now I've got to call to attention I am who you should support the left did not allow Trump to be president they treated him like he wasn't even the president so even then he won he was losing half of the American people every day and it divided the country what I'm saying whoever goes into office for uh British media for American Media we must support our leaders and not just run this hyper negative you know

what I will uh and black people hate when I apologize for this when I see people like John Legend and Chrissy Teigen talk down on the president I'm like wow that kind of sounds like me that kind of sounds like the Telethon I opened up this level of disrespect towards our leaders and people are happy ah and the left saw that and say well let's just have every celebrity do what yay did at the Telethon so I take responsibility for that moment and you know what I just want to give every Jewish person a big

hug also I'm envious of the Jewish people I'm envious of how they don't abort their children I'm envious of how they don't shoot each other in the streets and then rap about it I'm envious of how their their families stay together I'm envious that they turn their phones off on Friday night and the family comes together I'm envious of how they do the business together and I want that for the darker Jews I want that for the black people I want that we need that God said we should remove the word want right we're going

to have that and this is the beginning of it but it seems to me and correct me if I'm wrong but it seems to me that you are acknowledging as you've just acknowledged that it was wrong to say what you said about President Bush when he doesn't care about black people that may have encouraged all this disrespect towards Presidents since I think it's an interesting point you made it does seem to me yay talking to you that even if it's hard for you to admit this that you do regret the wording of that tweet which

caused all the problems and you wouldn't phrase it that way again am I right I would tell I would tell my dad that my dad loved the White lives matter t-shirt because what audacity does a black man have to wear the exact same t-shirt that a white man could wear you know and my dad was a black panther I mean we have a water purification Center you know he's like the original Steve Jobs he's the educated version of me right and he and he liked both of those things but he said you know yay he

even calls me yay now he's like Yay if you you've got to be more sophisticated with your wording and that wording like I said I'm a bit sleepy and it lacked the sophistication needed to be the true conductor that I am because it's the conductor's job to bring people together and that was divisive which is not who I want to be right so I'll tell you that I'm not looking and also let me let me know you agree so don't say you agree with me then I want to I want to talk okay let me

let me show them I'm just thinking right now with so my heart is the idea for people who do actually have severe mental health issues you know the word [ __ ] for you know there's parents that have children who actually are mentally ill and that word is really offensive right to those people so why use it and and just because yeah just because I was I was feeling um uh uh what's a couple reasons because people call me [ __ ] they treat me like I'm [ __ ] uh and so I embrace it

it's like you call somebody so much they say I'm you call somebody a [ __ ] so much they say I'm a [ __ ] you call somebody a [ __ ] somebody should say I'm [ __ ] like I was exhausted and I embraced the idea of having a serious mental health uh issue but Noah I mean not Noah Noah also but Moses was basically on speed when he was doing what he did out of Interest yeah how much sleep do you get a night I don't I I'm not here to talk about how

much sleep I get I don't literally just been talking about how much sleep do how much sleep do you get in there I had about five and a half hours last night actually not very much um but but you're the one that's raised this issue and I probably had the same right my question is that everybody had the same but it's only because you've been talking about you don't believe you have a mental illness you think it's lack of sleep so I think it's an obvious question to ask well how much sleep do you get

do you are you constantly sleep deprived is that is that one of the reasons perhaps sometimes as you say you feel sleepy and you shoot from the hip verbally and you say stuff that maybe when you're rested you wouldn't say it the same way would that be fair tell me what's okay no it's not fair because what's more important the pain and the truth of what I'm talking about and what led me to that tweet or the Tweet itself I think both can be true because the problem you have is I think you've acknowledged one

tweet I think you've acknowledged the words yes I understand but you know the damage it caused and I think I understand that that was offensive and I think that you have accepted no near no no you as a white person are so stuck on the idea that what I said was offensive which is a very caring approach you're not sticking on the fact you you have not unpacked what happened with those contracts I've said that but you didn't ask me another question about it that means there's an agenda absolutely I have repeatedly said to you

that I'm sure I I do not disbelieve that you've had contract business issues with various managers accountants and so on my argument is that when you do with me or other me I'm sure I'm sure many other artists in the music business yeah of course you know why you're sure or because because you don't care to do the research because it doesn't affect you no it's because you said you've done any research no yeah let me explain to you I'm not doubting what you don't care I do care you don't care about me you don't

care about my people I care about me I care about my people so as for me to stand up and God forbid I step on someone's toes while I'm at it it's not some monsters you stepped on the entire Jewish people's toes with a very deeply inflammatory tweet which I think you've now accepted you shouldn't have phrase that way it's taken a bit of time to get there but I think you have accepted that right have you accepted that you've put no effort into understanding how I got there I don't think I don't think honestly

10 years from now honestly I don't think there is apologize to me about this interview I'm not you're gonna apologize to me about this interview within the next 10 years no I'm not because here's the thing my words I don't doubt you've had it's very one-sided it's very it's very white-sided it's very like it's not white-sided I'm not doubting you've had business issues I'm saying the way to respond to that is Jewish people millions of people millions of people have had Defcon 3 on their contracts right you didn't you didn't say that you didn't say

that said millions of people well I open it up not I didn't but now I'm saying it now okay so now what I think you should say I think you should say to the Jewish people I'm sorry for the offensive language I used in that tweet I wouldn't do that again this is what I really meant I think people would respect you if you said that I don't know why you can't just say that house let me you know you know you know when I'll say it when I sit down with the people who write

out the contracts for the MBA and for the NFL and for professional music and for uh acting contracts we need to go to the top lawyers the top execs the owners of the stadiums the owners of the football teams and the owners of the record labels and we're going to put them all in one room and we're going to read every let's go top 10 in each one of these categories right let's read Michael B Jordan why would any of us why would any of that hey bro hey hey bro I ain't finished I ain't

finished my sentence has anything to do with regret hey boy don't finish I told you oh don't treat me like a boy then I'm gonna finish my sentence or my idea nothing you're saying has got anything to do with the Tweet cool so I was in the middle of a sentence boy okay so are you going to allow me to finish my sentence yes if you then answer my question Okay so okay so I'm gonna tell people when I would apologize for the tweet this is what has to happen first I need all of the

top Executives in Hollywood I need the top Executives at the MBA and at the NFL we'll we'll do those two sports specifically and I want the top Executives in music dealing with publishing dealing with uh like Spotify and apple music and uh Universal Music and all the topics that uh let's do like five topics X there and I want to look at the top 10 earners and each one of those fields contracts openly we want to compare and contrast the contracts and then once we open that conversation and we need to do it on a

platform live with lawyers asking questions and we'll and we'll have the top lawyers like a Johnny Cochran Robert Kardashian leveled legal team you know looking at all of these contracts together after that moment happens then I will say I'm sorry okay if that's your position interview adjourned love you okay that's the end of the interview I'm not I can't I just get the feeling from you that you're obviously a complex character brilliant in many ways fascinating like I say compelling uh you have a huge appeal to millions of people around the world it just seems

to me that occasionally your mouth gets you into trouble on the perhaps on reflection sometimes you look back and wish you hadn't said things is that accurate nah not really because the things I say are on behalf of God like it's not always Godly because I'm a man but God is definitely using me you're you're uh Catholic faith all right what's your background Catholic yeah well we're we're working for God here and it's just like with black people now with entertainment we're coming into wealth but all the other you know black people with anywhere near

uh my amount of wealth would never cross the lines of you know taboos inside of the media that I would that actually we used to in rap all these words we used to say these so it's all these like words that are being removed from our vocabulary words that evoke emotion don't you feel like the salt is being taken out of our our food you know look at Dune the people who control the salt controlled all the money and people are trying to control the salt and it's salt in our language that's why I'm I

I will not apologize for uh having a bit of salt in my words I will say hey this can be improved on but it's like hey look I'm gonna update you're looking at the gods iPhone 100. we are God's iPhone right if you think about it we're his favorite creation we were made in His image and we need updates and Society capitalism media and thought police have been stopping us from our updates we have to have a thought and then we have to actualize it I like the word actualize better than execute because it executes

a negative word we discussed this we have to actualize there's so many think about you know for uh a homosexual kid age 12 at school not wanting to say out loud how he felt or feeling like if he said how he felt he would get bullied or what if he said how he felt and then somebody said you said the way you felt and what your experience was in the wrong way now you need to apologize we're fine that you felt that way but you need to apologize for the way you said it but just

having the the courage to do it in the first place would be you know that's the thing that needs to be given credit like yeah you know what we'll say in these past two weeks I made a big splash because the first time you dive in the deep end you're not going to look like an Olympic swimmer but we're gonna have to learn how to swim and I've dived in the deep end okay I think I understand what you're saying let me ask you about your family yeah lots of speculation of course constantly if if

you understand if you understand what I'm saying could you translate what I'm saying yes I want you to translate what I said and then let's move on to the next question okay let me attempt to try what did I mean by that I think what she meant was that you are not afraid to ruffle feathers you're not afraid to cause trouble where you feel it's Justified you're not afraid to call people out who you think deserve to be called out but occasionally you've you've expressed yourself in a way that perhaps hasn't quite hit the right

Mark and that you are work in progress as indeed we all are and that you could phrase things better which would cause less offense to a wider number of people when in fact the target of your anger may be much more specific that would be my interpretation of what you've just said do you think that we can move forward as a civilization without there being any offense because one person's truth can be the other person's lie part of me wants to say yes to that but I do think there is a line and we should

all be mindful of the line and the line to me is I don't think any form of racism or perceived racism should ever be tolerated I don't think that is free speech it's just hate speech and I think one of the problems with what you said about the Jewish people was the more generic way that you phrase that sentence people didn't understand you were talking about specific business people you'd have a problem with they thought you genuinely meant you were going Defcon 3 on all Jewish people and they took that to be a blatant form

of anti-Semitism I think you've explained in this interview that was not your intention at all which is good but I think if you're asking me to interpret what you've just said yourself that would be my interpretation that you know your your work in progress and sometimes you say stuff I didn't just it doesn't quite doesn't quite it doesn't quite get over what you're really meaning but what I really mean is I don't want it to be settled I don't want I don't want uh I don't want to be forgiven by Jewish people until we get

to what the problem really is I don't want you know like Elon he got on Twitter he said I talked to yay took it to heart and I liked my boy standing up for me but I was like but my the fight isn't done though everybody White media left media they just want to squash the fight they want to keep the pain of George Floyd going right but they don't want the pain of our Representatives must say to you about Jewish business out of Interest it's vague to me right now I don't want to misquote

them what was it just say to me what was the General point of what he was saying it's vague to me it's truly vague to me you know I'm an honest person I tell you what it was but I keep on saying it's just always about this tweet it's so much more if you if you look back at this energy at this interview and it's like a direction arrow it's more in the direction of fixing the statement than fixing the problem I think that's my problem I understand but I would say to that I think

they're two different things and you can fix both actually uh and I I accept that part of what you were trying to do and the point you were trying to make I completely understand it because you've explained it in more detail on Elon Musk there is a suggestion that when he gets control of Twitter which seems likely now that he will bring you back you'll bring Donald Trump back you think that would be right it will be lit do you think it's wrong that you and Trump have been have been banned from these platforms absolutely

I was talking to Trump a couple days ago and he was like I'm not going to do his voice right but he was saying uh you know I had 277 million followers and the next day I had nothing and that related to you know Mark Zuckerberg meta you know Mark Zuckerberg thinks he is the government these tech companies feel they're more powerful than the US government to the point of actually kicking the actual president of the United States off of an American social media platform this is the world we live in and I would say

I listen to that I agree with you and I'll tell you why I I think it's completely inconsistent that companies like Facebook and Twitter allow people like the Ayatollah of Iran for example to remain on the platform or Taliban people to be on the platform but they don't allow an American president that seems to me completely ludicrous yes and this is part of the 100 year plan that they have books on about uh you know China's takeover of America after losing the Industrial Revolution now let's talk about business people we won't refer to their race

and by the way I'll tell you as a Jew person a person that has a lot of Jewish friends it's not a race it's a people right and every Jewish every Jewish homeboy I know is going to be like yo yeah that's right so um uh but it's hard to attract it's it's hard to influence patriotism on capitalists and it's a responsibility for us as Americans to retake our power in Media to retake our power in our schools to retake our power and our Farms to retake our power and our medicine and our hospitals to

revitalize the country because America invented rock and roll at the end of the day we have the inventions America created Apple you understand like we created the platforms that the world uh that the world runs on now and we've allowed the business people in these companies to sell us and whatever the term is sell them in a handbag whatever it is for cheap and Americans are God-fearing for the most part God-fearing Christian people and we're not cheap and we can't be sold for cheap and we're here to stand up and say you gotta honor who

we are our families you got to honor our God Jesus Christ so uh our next subject next subject can I can I ask you something let me ask you something else here I want to ask you about your your family yeah because you mentioned families there a lot of stuff has been written about you and your family uh a lot of it fueled by you by Kim by others where are things now with your family what is what is your relationship like with Kim with your kids uh uh Kim has zionists media handlers surrounding her

all in and out her Hulu TV show all in and out her her family all in or out the house that I created for my family but God is alive the Devil is a defeated Foe and Kim is a Christian woman and she's not here just to have content up on adult channels she's not here just to have that last interview magazine cover if you look at the two interview magazine covers look at the one when I was there and look at the one when I'm not there and that's the reason why this Tuskegee experiment

of such that's happened to the black community where they took the fathers out of the home and the leaders out of the community and have torn apart the community now they've seen that's worked and they're doing that to America they're attempting they're trying I mean that interviewing the interview the interview magazine cover you're talking about I think is the one where she was basically semi-naked in front of the American flag and I thought that was pretty distasteful actually it was about the American dream and I thought well if that's the American dream we're all screwed

I mean in America and I and I agree with that and I I didn't feel the platform to voice my opinion because I wanna it's always like hey this is your kid's mother this year but it's time with the leaders like I'm still the priest of that home Chris I'm still the priest of that home they they want to make it this matriarch Society all that and you know but I am the priest of this home and God is alive I am the living Robert Kardashian and I'm going to stand up for what God would

want as a Christian and then people say as a Christian or you're not supposed to curse you're not supposed to have righteous indignation but I do you know Christians had swords also Christian's got guns I tell you that you know so but do you talk to you talk to him I mean there have been reports here that you and Kim don't really talk at the moment she's distancing herself from me because of the stuff you've been saying was getting controversy is that true I mean John Legend is distant distancing my himself from me and buying

more Christmas sweaters in the middle of spring also so I'm not saying that you know they're making the right decisions uh she's being influenced you know but I guarantee you what's not gonna happen we're not going to see any one of them John Legend Christmas sweaters no time soon but do you talk to her are you still in touch wait said don't you think it's like don't you think it's like funny to like make a joke out of stuff sometimes don't you think like God has a sense of humor gosh but watch this God God

when I got married I bought this house I like you know what I'm saying I did this tour and spent all the money I had on this house to like surprise Kim and give her this house that she wanted that Lisa Marie Presley used to own and um and then I got the house and then I put all this money into renovation and then there goes the neighborhood Drake moves down the street five blocks and that's when I knew God was funny but watch this is where God is even funnier here goes like Louis CK

part two level because Louis CK is the funniest man alive on cancel him now right so the and he was funnier before he's canceled because all he would do is type of jokes that you'd get canceled all right so uh uh so um I got an office and you know outside of Crenshaw like an opportunity Zone and this office 57 000 square foot office is the one that Tucker Carlson came to visit me at and I look out the window and who's all and whose office is being built a brand new one the skims office

is like who's writing this stuff you know I'm saying like God is funny so that's the thing we always got to be like we got to be funny we got to have a sense of humor like you know but yeah let me ask you let me ask you there's a lot but are you are you sad that you're getting divorced are you sad the relationship came to an end that happened to you we got to do divorce two year yeah yeah we've been got divorce yeah I mean let me rephrase that are you sad that

you're no longer together that you're divorced we'll always be together she dresses exactly like me what do you mean like my kids are me you know there's no person that she'll ever get with that will influence her more than God and then her priest on Earth which was me you know whether it's the the skims clothing line the designers the The Architects all those people you got the clintons the left utilizing what we built together to try to use her as an influence for the black culture and the word culture in general for the next

elections they need those 300 million followers from Kylie and Kim on their side going into their election as they push trauma culture to the black people again as they claim anything any my questions of business dealings to be anti-semitic comments and push you know Kim to you know as a billionaire mother of a lawyer and a mother of four Jew black children uh uh to do covers like interview and that's what happens when they take the dads out the home and that's what they've been doing in the hood they take the fathers and the leaders

out of the homes and if we keep on allowing this to happen and we don't have some level of a decency Clause inside of our media on what everyone sees like when I was young and I would go to the video store if I wanted to go into the adult section it was a curtain it was a person sitting there watching making sure that kids didn't go in if the kids went into that section there was a video camera and they would have you'd be escorted out of that section now that section is forced through

Tick Tock that section is subverted and kind of mixed with the drink inside of Music directed at children inside of content through Disney on Hulu which is Disney also and in so many branded commercials to confuse children and to sexualize our children way too early yeah because they can even make their own decisions about their life look you make some very interesting points again just to clarify one thing though you are actually divorced are you because my understanding was that you weren't actually divorced yet you know I asked God the same question some mornings am

I divorced God am I am I divorced because I might be divorced on paper but I'm not divorced of the idea of being the protector of not only this person who is so influential imagine Kim making all of her decisions that she does publicly you know grown folks businesses grown folks business never know what could happen with a little sippy sippy or whatever but you know all the decisions that she makes publicly being based on an audience of one and Pierce what audience do you think I'm saying that is well you no not me for

us as Christians right uh who is our audience we have an audience of one well you mean God God so Picture This World Envision this world here's another one this is past my whole this is past what I'm saying about having the con the the heads of the football teams and the basketball teams in the music industry uh opening up their contracts the way I do right picture the most influential woman on the planet which is Kim Kardashian right um and I got this one thing I want to definitely say in the interview um picture

the most influential person on the planet the most influential woman on the planet performing in public only for that audience of one for God imagine the overwhelmingly positive effect that that will have on the planet and Mark these words it will happen someday okay I had this thing I had this like you know of course I'm I'm a divorced and this is like a a funny thing I thought being that her name is no longer West and my name is no longer yay if there was ever I mean sorry being that her name is no

longer West and my name is now only yea if we were ever to be together again what would our name be kimye would you like that everything is up to God and God has proven to me many times that it's not about what I want or what I would like it's just up to him on what he sees fit but you know David I mean yeah but do you still love the Sheep sorry not with an S do you still love Kim I absolutely love I love her for life and I pray and I will

protect oddly enough I'll actually protect her because when I call out things that I feel are wrong you know what I'm saying when I make products like say the difference between me and Bernard or no like say watch Elon Musk every product the reason why Elon Musk is like a Steve Jobs is if he makes a flamethrower he would use that flamethrower if he makes a cyber truck he would use that cyber truck me if I make some 3D printed boots you know I'm gonna have the the 3D printed boots on Wow every day can

I get a pair absolutely sir These Boots Are a hit love yes those are fantastic would you like to one day sir do you think given that you've got all these kids together would you like one day to get back with Kim do you think do you feel like you've gone through a very tumultuous period but that actually the love Underneath It All between two people remains and would you like to get back together those thirst traps still be fire is that do you understand what I said do you understand that language you better explain

it explain it to me what do you think those thirst traps still be fire means can you explain that to me well with my uh rather rather straps still be fire I would imagine it means these brilliant British man I would imagine it means you still fancy or what your ex-wife is that right you know I I would prefer to not be put on this uh I would never I would prefer to not be put on the spot uh on these kind of questions what I can say is uh God as a God is alive

and he places people he placed David in uh uh to tend to to God had David tend to the Sheep knowing that one day he would prepare him to fight Goliath so I believe that that day of me fighting Goliath has been this past two weeks the media is Goliath and there would be no chance of having a civil civilization or a civil uh Democracy in America without me challenging the media two years out from the election because this thing that I'm challenging may be setting myself up to one day be able to be president

or it's uh maybe for the other president but regardless we have to have some decency in America as the thought leaders and the content that we put out but yeah on that point you keep talking about the media as if somehow it's the media that's created all this Fury in the last two weeks but you have said other things which in my opinion the media couldn't ignore you know you suggested in your interview with Tucker Carlson the gap for example the clothing wear company had prior knowledge of the a validate shooting which is obviously completely

insane why would you say that and then why would you be surprised if the media if the media then react to it about it what I'm saying is that was worded that might have been worded in a way that the media could take in the wrong way but I thought it was really interesting the amount of people that Gap we had we had a release that was happening and the amount of people at Gap that were rallying around this as a media moment if they didn't know about that where there's theories you can't say that

the theory is about 9 11 are completely insane I see that's just the person kind of person well look you're perfectly entitled to have theories I think most of them are completely insane on this specific one yeah on your valve day you even suggested that Matthew McConaughey even suggested that Matthew McConaughey may have it was all a bit weird that he was speaking so early about it when in fact he came from a validate and spoke very passionately after this atrocity so I think people read these comments are like what are you talking about no

okay so I'm not what I'm saying is I definitely feel there is a major media push around that to create trauma and fear culture because the amount of people and this is not to be in any way I care about people who have passed away and have lost loved ones 20 kids in a classroom 20 children were shot dead in school so let me explain no one in the media is putting how many any sort of trauma into that that is the trauma okay Pierce Pierce how many how often does that happen in my hometown

well 20 kids are killed in school in one mass shooting as far as I'm aware it's never happened in your hometown has it every yeah it does and it's not in one match shooting killed in Chicago I didn't finish I didn't finish okay let's not do this again okay we we reviewed you could talk at least at least 14 kids are killed in Chicago every week and there's no media push around it and that's my issue and I was at Gap there was no media push around the killings in Chicago I agree with you I

completely agree my youngest son has recently been at University of Chicago every year and there were two students shot in that time I completely agree that there is never enough attention given to all the slaughter from gun violence in Chicago completely agree with you what I can't agree with is any suggestion by you that anyone at Gap or Matthew McConaughey or anybody else had any prior knowledge of what happened to davalde of course they didn't what I'm saying is I'm not saying they did but with the amount of tension that went understand I was jealous

once again you feel me I'm jealous that so much attention went in this direction but doesn't go into the direction of Chicago then say that say that yeah amount of people that's what you should say yeah but it comes down to the way you freeze it bro bro hey hey I just said it yeah like I just said you're not always going to say the things the right way but at least I have The Bravery to open the conversation your first your first sentence isn't your last sentence my first rap that I told wasn't my

last rap that I told and now that's the whole point it said once it said except that it was said I am the iPhone 20 right I'm growing I'm a hybrid I'm updating I'm constantly updating that's what we're supposed to do you can't you can't drag me back because that's you enjoy that right when you bring it up I'm saying hey this is what I'm saying I felt you know this think about this have you ever heard the term premeditated murder yes I I feel I feel like the George Floyd was a premeditated murder that's

my feeling based off of and we never got to that in the beginning but that's my feeling based off of the information I saw in the documentary I think it was a premeditary murder in the sensitive I I agree but not for the reason you think I think it was premeditated in the sense that that policeman didn't give a damn about George Floyd's life stuck his knee on his neck for eight minutes and killed him so but I know we didn't agree about that I don't want to go back at least I want to ask

you I want to ask you yeah I think the policeman I think I think the policeman was involved with it too but not in the way that you think about it right I think he was involved in a different way I think we'll have to I think he was also part I think he was also part of the setup okay look we're not going to agree about that but he's been moved he's been moved he's he's been he's been moved and you go I need you to watch the documentary and we could talk offline and

then talk online again okay because what's not fair is for a white martyr like JFK to be analyzed a hundred different ways but then for a black martyr like George Floyd for us to only accept the one way that's like us only accepting the library for the black vote like I said the opportunity different ways like I said to you you are completely entitled to challenge anything frankly and I'm equally entitled to come back to you and say what I think that is a democracy is about let me ask you before it's before I think

about you but no no I got okay no I don't want to keep going back to that same information right there yeah but look at the disparagement because I still had a I had an idea I don't like the word point I had an idea that you didn't Embrace right there the Martyr JFK we analyzed his death a hundred different ways right but what George Floyd he died that way and then as white people telling super brilliant successful black people you okay you have the right you're it's literally like on some black lives matter like

your life matters like oh your idea matters but then shut up and we're not gonna go back to it no we're gonna unfold it I need you to watch that documentary and I want us to talk line by line I want to do because look I think that we're a good conversation and now within the next two years we need to talk a lot of times I would love to do that this kind of thing honestly I would honestly I honestly unpack I agree listen yeah let me say to you I've I've wanted to interview

you for years I genuinely mean it when I say I think you're one of the most brilliant talented people that I've seen in the public sphere and you have a lot of fascinating ideas and you're incredibly creative and you're completely entitled to your views uh but I'm entitled to mine and I think we've had some really uh really interesting exchanges actually I want to just talk to you quickly before we finish about your kids and about you as a father what kind of kids do you want than to be what kind of values do you

want to instill in your children I want my kids to finish their education I know that my album was called The College Dropout but when I look at the way you know just like like you said your kids are in the University of Chicago we need the education that's another thing to be jealous about you know the the Muslims have the Quran right and Jewish people also have their uh their holy books but they have the education and once we have the education the education and we have the the strong black uh Minds we need

to pull them together there hasn't been end-to-end black owned communities since Black Wall Street or since the gentrification of Harlem like I was talking I have this tech company called stem right that had the most successful launch in Tech History with the 80 000 stem players as far as a first launch right we saw 80 000 players back in February and we went off the Apple platform and now we're coming with the Next Generation that has a projector in it and it's coming with four thousand ninety six movies I did that because my Amiga computer

had 4096 colors when I was in seventh grade and also you can download films without having to use an Apple product so I call this guy and we're working on finishing up elements of the deal and he's using emotional bullying and like his shoulders are down you can could tell on the call he says well because of your comments we're not going to be able to hire people as the people that we need and I said well well how many people do we have working for us he said 60 and we have 40 part-time I

say well how many Jewish people do we have he said well I don't know I don't know we have some and I said well do we have black people working for he said yeah I said how many he said two and I said you're telling me we can't find 60 black Engineers well yeah and see that's where that comment that got me into so much trouble forced me to look at myself as a black as the richest black man since Mansa Musa right with multiple tech companies and where am I kicking the tires inside of

my own company to ensure that I'm hiring my people because Chinese people hire Chinese people and Jewish people hire Jewish people and Catholics hire Catholics right but with blacks we'll give our company to uh Bernard Arnold we'll give our company to Mark Zuckerberg we'll give our company away and it would almost come off as anti-semitic if I hadn't crossed that gun line so far to say hey I'm I have to go and ensure that I'm hiring the the brightest black Minds to my black owned tech company you know Kamala is our never again we're never

gonna just hand something over just because we like the way this person looks and we have the emotional connection because she was a Delta and my mom was a Delta she got 96 percent of the black female vote you would have thought Drake was running and we haven't seen her really honestly since and yeah I want to say something about the left the left you guys got to sit with me your current Administration that these guys put up they they [ __ ] the pot on this one they should have got Bernie but Bernie had

too much of a conscience and so you got a guy with no conscience instead of getting Bernie Sanders you guys got Weekend at Bernie's and I I and you know that you don't like where where we're at right now so we got to have a conversation disagree with you about uh I don't disagree with you about President Biden um uh all coming to Harris for that matter let me ask you about someone we haven't mentioned Vladimir Putin and what he's been doing in Ukraine what is your view of that I do not believe in war

and I believe that there is ways that America could have avoided this war but Biden has money Biden has reasons for us to be at War right now for selfish reasons and what I would like to do without giving you too much information I would like to speak with my political advisors to give you the exact uh exact information I'm not gonna hey watch this one pierce I'm not gonna shoot from the hip on this one especially talking about war and things as sensitive as Ukraine and the Russian war no no you we already got

that um the [ __ ] comment earlier that we could work on that I feel like is going to be massively offensive and I really do all right now that one I do apologize to people that offended earlier in the interview on that comment maybe we could look at scrubbing that if we if we if we deem well actually actually I would say I would say this it's an uncensored interview you said something which you've now wished you hadn't said and you've apologized I actually think that says a lot about you right that shows you've

got that ability to be self-aware to understand when you cross the line I think someone like you with all your energy and creativity and your passion you're gonna say stuff the way that you talk constantly and in such an extraordinary manner you're gonna trip up you're going to say things the wrong way I don't think there's anything wrong and when you do that doing what you just did and saying I'm sorry I crossed a line I apologize it's actually quite empowering do you you know what I think you know what I think I'll go ahead

and do I feel that I've given the platform and I think by holding the idea of an apology hostage is not Godlike correct I feel like we have to free yeah you know and I think that's the point that you've been making and because we sat down and had this conversation you know I will say I'm sorry for the people that I heard with the Defcon the the confusion that I call I feel like I called I cause hurt and confusion and I'm sorry for the families of the people that had nothing to do with

the the trauma that I had been through and that I use my platform where you say hurt people hurt people and I I was hurt I was frustrated I was frustrated that Gap hadn't opened stores I was frustrated that I spent time with a gentleman who I love love love him his wife his kids David Simon and to open stores and then he called Bob Martin that Gap and said I'm not going to open the stores and I've just been frustrated I just want to open my Widow stores and I want to say that it's

wrong to hold an apology hostage and I gotta let go of that and free you know free myself of the trauma and say look I'm just gonna give it all up to God right now and say to those families that I heard you know I really want to give you guys a big hug and I want to uh I say I'm sorry for hurting you with my comments and I want to word it and not a pres and not like a political way but in a presidential way which means what I knew a president to

be when I was growing up in a sincere way you know how people give those kind of I want to give an apology and you're like but did you you know what I'm saying like no it has to be I want to go to every person's grandmother and grandfather and every person's son and daughter aunt and uncle and give them a hug and say you know what I've been hurt and I do want you to talk to your boys I do want you to talk to the people that are in power the people who do

own the black voice the people who do own the black void the vote which a lot of Jewish business people do and I I want to be able to sit at the table with the contracts I want my people to sit at the table with the contracts I do want all of this but I'm not going to hold my apology hostage until I get that I'm going to start by taking accountability for my actions and the lack of sophistication in my wording like I said I was sleepy and it was taken and in a way

that I didn't mean to me to be taken it definitely caused some attention but I don't want the conversation to go away just because I came to you guys and said you know I understand how I hurt you and I'm sorry for the pain that I've caused and the confusion that I cause now that is said right but I don't want the conversation to go away that we are still in a place where these contracts are still up my people are still getting screwed this has to be opened up and I'm not asking for a

promise but it would be a beautiful world as as I release the pain that I've caused and the pain that I have in me that Grudge that I was holding that you guys some of you guys one two of you guys step up and say let's look at these contracts let's make it not be a known fact that the music industry is treacherous let's make because my kids some of my kids do music you know I don't want them to step into a treacherous place I wanted to be better for them than it was for

me so I wanted to sit down and come together and really work on that what would that make sense to you pierce you know what you ate if you simply said that in your tweet I don't think there would have been any problem and I'm very very pleased actually that we've got to a place where you felt able to say that and I think it was sincere but we still have a problem that's my point I know I get it I get it but what you've now done you've now explained the context of the problem

and you also issued a sincere apology to people who were rightly offended by the way you phrased what you said so I think that's a that's a good place to finish the interview and I I'm very glad you got there okay but it's not finished ideas not finished I understand that there's that there's still a problem I understand no one's going to be in any doubt there's a problem and by the way I'm sure there is I'm sure a lot of the contracts in the music business are rigged against people uh like like artists like

yourself I'm sure of it it's always been the case from Elvis oh yeah so I I guess would you would you would you help me and my people would you help me and my my athletes I got so many athletes that go to my school that are like all the guys that are on down there are headed to the NBA right could you help me could you help us make these contracts better for our people by call calling attention by just allowing me on your platform right and let's look at some of the things and

point these things out could could we work together on absolutely it happened in the Years very happy we can do that yeah very happy to do that I think we should talk more often all right it's taken a long time to get here I've thoroughly enjoyed our conversation it's been two hours it's been free rolling it's been occasionally challenging but we've got to a place where I think it's a good place and I've really enjoyed it so thank you very much indeedia for sparing me the time okay you know you know I'm gonna feel like

I love I I lost my stone I was holding yeah yeah but but I but I had to give it up to God you know what I'm saying like yes it you know you're gonna be bragging you're going to be bragging at dinner tonight like yo I talked to yay no one could do it no one could do it I did it and you know I'm I'm I'm giving you this and I'm gonna pray that you as a fellow believer in Christ will help me to expose all the wrong that's still currently happening to my

people specifically in the entertainment industry because honestly I'm very happy to start with I'm very happy to hold anyone to account who is behaving improperly honestly and I'm I'm absolutely certain that that entertainment business is riddled with people who try it on and exploit people and I'll be very happy to help you to expose that but for now I've got to leave it yay we've had two hours it's been remarkable thank you very much for your time peace